A response to promoting IN YOUR DREAMS. Why?

[iamnotafraid]

I was going to respond to one of the many
posts commenting on Stevie continuing to
promote In Your Dreams in the various
other threads. Not wanting to single anyone
out, I figured I would post it here.

The album is done. It's almost a year old now,
why keep banging your head against the wall?
Right now it's #1,115 on Amazon's best seller
list. And unless there's a deluxe edition on the
way (someone at WB/Reprise didn't have any
info on it or the documentary) it's toast.

This is not a negative review of the album or a
comment on it's relatively decent showing on
Billboard's Charts, all things being considered.

Stevie's fanbase bought the album up in the first
few weeks of release. Like we always do.
So who else is going to buy it? Who's it being
promoted to?

Someone suggested she's touring to bankroll
the IYD Documentary. Honestly, how
many shows do you think it would take for this
type of project? Unless she's going to pull an
Avatar on us.

She's touring to pad her bank account. Nothing
wrong with that. I personally wish it was with
someone other than Stewart this time around.
But she's got to pick someone around her age.
You wouldn't want a young audience would you?

If she really cares about the album and her fans,
I wish she'd tour the 2000 seat theatres among
us. And sing several songs off the new album.
A pay cut for sure, but isn't it all about the music?

[chriskisn]

...but isn't it all about the music?

Nope, probably never has been...

[Jondalar]

Well, promoting the album has done some good. And Stevie knows how to beat a dead horse 6 feet under -- hence, landslide, which is well on its way to becoming Fleetwood Mac's first platinum single. After so many not up to par albums, she believes in this one and wants people to hear it. I think there are going to be surprises on this package too.

[olive]

"Someone suggested she's touring to bankroll
the IYD Documentary"

why would she be bankrolling her own projects ?
she couldn't possibly need to tour just to meet her day to day expenses , she must have enough to live out her life comfortably, If Christine can do it on money made during her time in Fleetwood Mac .

Where do you guys get this information?

[TrueFaith77]

I wish Stevie would embrace that she is a catalogue artist. Nothing wrong with that. Her new material will never charge out the gate, but she will always sell consistently and new fans will join the fold. ... And one of the best things to encourage her enduring catalogue status artist is to tour with the Mac...

Touring with Rod is a bummer for me, because I will NEVER go back into that situation again. It was not fun, being treated that way for standing up during Edge of Seventeen--and having to endure a dour Stevie set.

[HejiraNYC]

It's true that Stevie has plenty of money and that she never has to work another day for the rest of her life. But she isn't really a major catalogue artist. Her own solo back catalogue is largely out of print or not selling at all. The only reliable source of income she has is from Rumours and a couple of the greatest hits packages. But all of that gets split 3/4/5 ways, so her share is relatively modest. Unlike Christine, Mama got bills. As a working artist, she's got assistants, band members and probably other domestic employees on payroll (or on contract). Sure, she can take a year off, but she still has to pay all of these salaries, which means she can end up in the red for the year after expenses if she doesn't do something. I don't know about everyone else, but I would hate the thought of making a negative income, even if I was super-wealthy, especially if I am near retirement age. Hence, this is why she does at least a handful of shows every year- just to pay the overhead, if nothing else.

[iamnotafraid]

"Someone suggested she's touring to bankroll
the IYD Documentary"

why would she be bankrolling her own projects ?
she couldn't possibly need to tour just to meet her day to day expenses , she must have enough to live out her life comfortably...


Yes, I'd read where others think she might be
doing the upcoming tour to pay the expense
of the documentary. I have a hard time believing
that. Two reasons come to mind. First it won't
sell. And second why would she risk much of
her own money? Not even counting the fact that
the documentary will probably be a low cost project.

I'm not so sure she has the money to live out
the rest of her life comfortably, at least in Stevie
Nicks' view. Most artist seem to go through their
money fast. It's happened time and time again.

[fairydust75]

There is no way Mama NEEDS the cash, she just WANTS it. More power to her. But she has plenty of millions she just doesn't like to spend it w/out putting new money in the bank to replace it. I think she's doing what her management and Liz tell her is best for her long-term. She believes in IYD's hopefully
the Doc will come out before I kick the bucket...lets see I'm in my mid-thirties now..;)....

[Richard B]

Maybe the money is not about Stevie adding to her bank account, but perhaps the myriad of support staff, family and musicians she wants to take care of. She employs many people in her circle.

[HejiraNYC]

Yes, I'd read where others think she might be
doing the upcoming tour to pay the expense
of the documentary. I have a hard time believing
that. Two reasons come to mind. First it won't
sell. And second why would she risk much of
her own money? Not even counting the fact that
the documentary will probably be a low cost project.

I'm not so sure she has the money to live out
the rest of her life comfortably, at least in Stevie
Nicks' view. Most artist seem to go through their
money fast. It's happened time and time again.

I suspect the IYD documentary is more of a Stevie-Dave collaboration, with Dave realizing most of the net proceeds, that is, assuming there are any net proceeds. All Stevie had to do was... do her hair and makeup and show up every day for work. Dave is probably the one who had to pay for the crew, the equipment and the post-production. Suffice it to say, the IYD documentary probably did not cost much to make, since the vast majority of it was (supposedly) shot in or around Stevie's house. Dave is probably gambling on the potential upside of the documentary playing in small art house theatres in select cities, which is conceivable if it's marketed strategically and if critics actually publish glowing reviews a la Joan Rivers: A Piece of Work. And if it gets picked up by HBO or Showtime, it will definitely be worth the investment.

Stevie most definitely has enough money to retire comfortably. She's not a big boat and fancy car type. And she's not exactly a fashion plate either. Her homes are already paid off and are relatively modest in scale- she's not living on a private island. She's been around the block long enough to understand money and she probably has people giving her advice as well. Without the overhead of a small workforce, she can easily afford a luxurious life of leisure.

[Macfanforever]

I hate to say this .I still think its a flop.No radio support.Alittle support from the record label.The cd drop was absent do Stevie getting sick probably from doing the first trip with Rod.Not recognized for nomination for awards from the industry.Backing out from some major tv programs.Thats my feelings about this cd.Its sad to see this cd go to waste.

[David]

I hate to say this. I still think its a flop. No radio support. A little support from the record label. Not recognized for nomination for awards from the industry.I think it flopped too. "Flop" isn't an absolute all the time; sometimes it's a relative concept. Her album flopped because it didn't measure up commercially to dozens of other albums at the very same time. Of course, there's also the idea of artistic flop. But if you judge the critical reception, it did not flop.

Stevie probably feels about "In Your Dreams" the way Lindsey felt about his first three or four solo albums. You put everything you've got into an album & you love the results so much that you believe millions of people will "get" what you wanted to do, too. When that doesn't happen, disillusion settles over you like dust.

I would imagine that the two of them have much more in common to talk about these days.

[KarmaContestant]

I was going to respond to one of the many
posts commenting on Stevie continuing to
promote In Your Dreams in the various
other threads. Not wanting to single anyone
out, I figured I would post it here.

The album is done. It's almost a year old now,
why keep banging your head against the wall?


Interesting post, really. Not being Stevie or being in a position to ask, I can only speculate. I think that in her world, her life is defined in album-eras. Right now, she's in the In Your Dreams era. If she stops touring, if she starts recording a new album, if she teams up with Lindsey for a Fleetwood Mac project - all of these would put an end to the In Your Dreams stage of her careeer.

She loves that album, she's believes (as do I) that it's some of her best work and she's proud of it. She simply isn't ready to start a new era, so she's touring to continue to promote IYD so she doesn't have to walk away and start a new era of her career.

Personally, I think this is why it takes her so damn long to do anything. She wants to savor every last drop.

[MrStevie]

In Your Dreams is done. She's not touring to promote that. No more than she's been touring a little almost every year the past decade with no new music to promote.

Stevie is touring to promote STEVIE!:nod:

That's what she's always done. Stevie is a brand. Since the begining of the last decade she's been working it the best way she can. She's touring with Rod because she can do the least amount of work to reach the widest possible audience. It's also a way for her to bank the easiest paycheck. Mama has overhead. Breaking even is still worth it to her if her people can make a living while she keeps the "legend" going for as long as possible without falling into the red to do it.

Touring with the Mac comes with a huge can of worms for Stevie. The politics of that situation changes everything. If making money was her ultimate goal, she'd run the Mac into the ground while singing all the way to the bank. Fleetwood Mac is a brand too, but with a different agenda. Stevie is only one link in the chain.

Question is, if not for the money or promoting new music...why keep the Stevie thing going? She can collect her Social Security now. No matter how much we think she lives for her music, she won't die if she stops working. Her solo image/legacy is about a solid as it's ever going to get.

Best guess: if Fleetwood Mac ever does another project it doesn't hurt that Stevie, and Lindsey, too, have continued to work and keep themselves in the public eye since 2003. Maybe they've got something else up their sleeve? :shrug:

[Johnny Stew]

but isn't it all about the music?

Nope, probably never has been...

I don't understand the cynicism around here, regarding Stevie wanting to make money in the latter days of her career. She's paid her dues & she's earned the right to go out and tour for however long people still want to pay to see her. That doesn't negate her as an artist. For a considerably long span of time, she wrote more songs & recorded more music than anyone else in Fleetwood Mac. So now she's "resting on her laurels" more often than not. Big whoop.

She loves her music and she loves to make money. One doesn't cancel out the other.

[Macfanforever]

I don't understand the cynicism around here, regarding Stevie wanting to make money in the latter days of her career. She's paid her dues & she's earned the right to go out and tour for however long people still want to pay to see her. That doesn't negate her as an artist. For a considerably long span of time, she wrote more songs & recorded more music than anyone else in Fleetwood Mac. So now she's "resting on her laurels" more often than not. Big whoop.

She loves her music and she loves to make money. One doesn't cancel out the other.

I have to agree the money part Everybody love to make money.

But.Yes she loves her music.We cant take that away from her.IYD was for us and we loved it.

[tabruns]

Well, promoting the album has done some good. And Stevie knows how to beat a dead horse 6 feet under -- hence, landslide, which is well on its way to becoming Fleetwood Mac's first platinum single. After so many not up to par albums, she believes in this one and wants people to hear it. I think there are going to be surprises on this package too.

Yes, I agree. And anyone thinking that this has nothing to do with the music and is all about money is full of ****. It's obvious Nicks loves this album and wants to keep pushing it. Good for her.

[Macfanforever]

It sad the music industry did not recognize this masterpiece of hers.Over shadowing the new artists with alittle or no talent at all.What would the new talent do if there was no computer autotune in the studio.Its like steroids in sports.

[tabruns]

I don't understand the cynicism around here, regarding Stevie wanting to make money in the latter days of her career. She's paid her dues & she's earned the right to go out and tour for however long people still want to pay to see her. That doesn't negate her as an artist. For a considerably long span of time, she wrote more songs & recorded more music than anyone else in Fleetwood Mac. So now she's "resting on her laurels" more often than not. Big whoop.

She loves her music and she loves to make money. One doesn't cancel out the other.

I don't get it either, especially coming from supposed Stevie Nicks *fans*.

The "IYD was a flop" comments are annoying too because to me it's a real apples-oranges comparison that is taking IYD out of context. You have to consider IYD as it compares to it's time and where Nicks' is in her career:
1. Most artists are selling a lot less, with the very occasional exception of an Adele or a Lady Gaga. Its rare to see an album go Gold for *anyone*.
2. Nicks is a an artist in the twilight of her career, so is she selling albums in the same range as others in a similar boat? In most cases she's outsold them with IYD.
3. IYD hit #6. I mean it was a Top 10 album for chrissakes. When does a top 10 album become a "flop"?

The closest Nicks has come to a real flop as a solo artist is "Street Angel". Yes that album did finally go Gold, but for the era that it was released (when albums still sold) it did poorly and was Nicks' first album to not peak in the top 20.

[tabruns]

It sad the music industry did not recognize this masterpiece of hers.Over shadowing the new artists with alittle or no talent at all.What would the new talent do if there was no computer autotune in the studio.Its like steroids in sports.

Well chalk that up to new generations. Even the Rolling Stones get set aside as "old news".

This is why I think IYD was a hit, though. In spite of no support at radio it still hit the Top 10, she still had two AC hit singles, and the album has probably sold somewhere around 170,000 which is higher than what many legacy acts are able to do.

[Macfanforever]

I'm talking about todays standards about flop.Compared to the current artists.Of course .I'm not comdemning this cd is a loss.I'm just upset about it and to see it go to waste.

[APerfectLie]

"Someone suggested she's touring to bankroll
the IYD Documentary"

why would she be bankrolling her own projects ?
she couldn't possibly need to tour just to meet her day to day expenses , she must have enough to live out her life comfortably, If Christine can do it on money made during her time in Fleetwood Mac .

Where do you guys get this information?

The filming and editing costs have probably already been paid for, but promotion and physical copies of the documentary are not free. Sure she will recoup that money if sales are good, but what if they aren't? What if the documentary costs more than it makes? Then Stevie is left holding the ball. Can she afford to release something that doesn't break even? Definitely! But if she can mitigate that risk by touring with Rod, then why not? I am not saying that Stevie has to tour in order to release the documentary, but what I do believe is that if Stevie chose not to tour with Rod, then she would not be guaranteed that she could tour this year, especially to such a large audience. She then risks not being able to secure a tour this year, which would leave her financing her own promotion! Why pay to fly to New York to do nothing but promote and get paid nothing for it when you can just do that promotion while you are already there playing a show? All in all, I think the tour with Rod was most likely agreed upon with high consideration of all of her expenses, including her plans for the IYD doc.

[UndoingTheLaces]

I have a crazy radical idea about why Stevie is still touring with In Your Dreams. It may be unpopular but I'm going to state it anyway. She's doing this because...




she wants to.



:p

[mikephxaz]

[QUOTE=UndoingTheLaces;1041968]I have a crazy radical idea about why Stevie is still touring with In Your Dreams. It may be unpopular but I'm going to state it anyway. She's doing this because...




she wants to.

Amen...Amen... Amen:angel: good for you!

[Jondalar]

IYD was not a flop. She has only had three solid albums in my opinion, and IYDs was one of them. And to get that type of music and quality from later career is a miracle. She did not release the right singles or embrace the internet quick enough. It's not too late, she can still sale 300.000 if she gets the word out. I just don't think this album will die that quick. Somewhere it will find a home.

[Aussie W/Heart]

[QUOTE=UndoingTheLaces;1041968]I have a crazy radical idea about why Stevie is still touring with In Your Dreams. It may be unpopular but I'm going to state it anyway. She's doing this because...




she wants to.

Amen...Amen... Amen:angel: good for you!

I agree, its that simple.. & another opportunity to promote IYD's CD, & Doc.

Im hoping Stevie will do the the talk show scene as well..

[vivfox]

I just don't think this album will die that quick. Somewhere it will find a home.


In the used CD bin?:laugh:

[mitzo]

In the used CD bin?:laugh:

I just really want more recording from our lady. At least one more album, a sincere one, mostly introspective ballads, with little or no co-writing and with stellar production. Her voice would suit that and there is still (barely) enough fan energy to make it worthwhile.

[Jondalar]

In the used CD bin?:laugh:

No that was the Other Side of the Mirror.

[Jondalar]

It's true that Stevie has plenty of money and that she never has to work another day for the rest of her life. But she isn't really a major catalogue artist. Her own solo back catalogue is largely out of print or not selling at all. The only reliable source of income she has is from Rumours and a couple of the greatest hits packages. But all of that gets split 3/4/5 ways, so her share is relatively modest. Unlike Christine, Mama got bills. As a working artist, she's got assistants, band members and probably other domestic employees on payroll (or on contract). Sure, she can take a year off, but she still has to pay all of these salaries, which means she can end up in the red for the year after expenses if she doesn't do something. I don't know about everyone else, but I would hate the thought of making a negative income, even if I was super-wealthy, especially if I am near retirement age. Hence, this is why she does at least a handful of shows every year- just to pay the overhead, if nothing else.

She should start promoting Leather and Lace and Edge of Seventeen the way she promotes Landslide. IYD dreams is really the first time I can remember where she has concentrated on her own product for very long at all. She needs to champion other songs off that album. What bothers me about Stevie is that she has songs in her own arsenol that should be Gold by now. But she doesn't talk about them much. Bella Donna and The Wild Heart could become more successful in the Catalog department if she did. Last year, many people mentioned Leather and Lace as one of their favorite songs of hers and it's like she shied away from it. Don't get it. It should be sung at ever concert and treated like Landslide.

[WildHearted]

^ Landslide has taken on a life of it's own, and I don't think it did so largely out of Stevie's control. Even she's remarked that she's sick of singing it.

[Macfanforever]

I never find Stevie's older cds in the used or cutout bins.

[bombaysaffires]

I think Stevie knows the writing is on the wall in terms of how many years she's got left to make any money off performing... realistically, I just don't think she can go out and do Edge of 17 at 70.... so that means she's got a good what 6 yrs roughly left? I think she does want to make money and I think she knows she hasn't got that many more years left... And she has an ego. Anybody that famous always wants to continue to feel relevant. A new album makes you relevant rather than just someone retreading their old hits (AGAIN).

That said, we just went last night to see Joan Rivers perform live at Symphony Hall and she's SEVENTY-EIGHT.

Realistically though, standing and telling jokes (though she was very physical, more than I would have ever expected) is NOT bopping around on platform boots and belting out rock and roll for two hours... and I don't see mama being physically able to do that for much longer, let alone at 78... which frankly would just be unseemly anyway. At some point you really do become a sad shadow of your former self and trying to maintain and live up to an act that you established when you were in your 30s is just, well... pathetic. So I think she's squeezing the cash cow until it dries up.

[sparky]

I hope she hits the road for more solo shows after the Rod gigs, and from what I have heard it is likely she will. Of course she is touring this summer. That's what Stevie does. Naysayers, meet Stevie Nicks. Road warrior. Cliff dweller from the old school. Pounder of the boards with platforms or frankenboks in any shed or similar venue she can book from July to September almost every year since 19 f-ing 75. I am sure she is pleased to meet you. Get to know her. She tours and makes money, which we all need to do, and has fun. She loves performing and like she has often said, what the hell else is gonna do but play music? How is this news to anyone with a brain and an internet connection?

I for one am glad she tours all the time. I don't go to all of the shows I can. But I am thrilled she still can get out there and do it. I never thought in the old days she would still be at it and still have the ability to not only knock it out of the park on some days, but also be consistently good. Her hallmark for many years was inconsistency. Good for her. She is a workhorse. And she finally got it down to a reliable art.

As far as IYD being a flop - I don't think it was. It did not do as well as some hoped it would. Myself included. But the truth is the market has changed so much and continues to change on a daily basis. What is the real litmus test for an artist her age? It is very hard to say. It did better than most recent releases by artists from her generation. And her hip factor remains through the roof. She wouldn't get bookings on Ellen, AGT, The Voice, or any such big shows if the producers did not think people would watch. Not only do people watch, but her legend precedes her. There is a tremendous good will towards her in the business as well. People behind the scenes love her. She's a pro. She nails the rehearsals, does her bit, everyone has fun with her. The sales? Who cares? She got great reviews. She did a nice and well attended support tour. Those of us who are lifelong fans by and large loved the record. I even converted a few decades long naysayers who were moved to tears by the work on IYD. I think the project was a major victory.

She clearly does as well. And if she wants to keep pushing it, good on her. The songs are worth it. She should be proud. And if that means she bucks common sense and keeps touring behind it, I am right there with her. Say what you will about Stevie, she does whatever the hell she wants. For her own reasons. And she always has. I haven't always agreed with her decisions, and I am sure she couldn't give a rat's ass, but in this case I do agree. I love this record as much as she does. And I think it is some small miracle she is as good as she still is. I never expected her to be able to pull this off, so I am gonna celebrate it as long as she does.

[PolishStevieFan]

I think that "In Your Dreams" still has got potential but maybe Stevie should try to promote it more outside of US. I am aware that US is her most important market but on the other hand there are so many different places in which she can achieve some degree of commercial success. For example: France, Germany, Holland, South America...

[sparky]

^ Landslide has taken on a life of it's own, and I don't think it did so largely out of Stevie's control. Even she's remarked that she's sick of singing it.


Landslide was an album cut and was never promoted as a single off the white album. AOR stations played it in the 70's simply because it was a great song and people responded to it. It became a concert staple for the same reason. They needed to play new material and people loved it. It was being performed in high school auditoriums in high schools in the 80's not because it was a hit, but because it is one her purest and highest quality compositions. Anyone can sing it. Everyone relates to it. It is her crowning achievement as a songwriter. Simply in terms of mass appeal and moneymaking it surpasses the precious only number one FM song Dreams.

She didn't have any problems redoing her pool with the proceeds of the Smashing Pumpkin's dreadful whining cover, and even gloated over the 5 million dollar royalty check from the Dixie Chicks revival hit. Landslide put her on the map as a true songwriter decades after its birth and got her an award. She may bitch about having to sing it, and I personally pee during her current concert reading of it, but
it is a goldmine financially and has been one of the bedrocks of her being taken seriously as a writer.

See any online reference to Dolly Parton and her reaction to the late Whitney Houston's massive success with her vocal bull in a china shop butcher job of I Will Always Love You. I may recall this quote somewhat incorrectly, but Dolly thanked Whitney that year at an awards ceremony for the success of the recording and cited "3 million reasons." Then cackled her priceless Tennessee laugh.

Stevie may be as sick of singing Landslide as I am of hearing it. But it made her a fortune, and vaulted her to a position as a composer that neither Lindsey, Christine, or many of her idols have ever attained.

[chriskisn]

I don't understand the cynicism around here, regarding Stevie wanting to make money in the latter days of her career. She's paid her dues & she's earned the right to go out and tour for however long people still want to pay to see her. That doesn't negate her as an artist. For a considerably long span of time, she wrote more songs & recorded more music than anyone else in Fleetwood Mac. So now she's "resting on her laurels" more often than not. Big whoop.

She loves her music and she loves to make money. One doesn't cancel out the other.

It has never been "ALL" about the music though. It very rarely is for anyone. Is that wrong? Probably not. The fans would love to think that Stevie doesn't care about album sales, dollars and whatever else and just cares about producing music. That is as far from realism as it gets. Sure, I'm sure she cares about her music but it isn't just about that.

Stevie is welcome to make as much money as she can from her talent, and good luck to her. Just don't tell me that she's only in it for the sake of her art.

[olive]

The filming and editing costs have probably already been paid for, but promotion and physical copies of the documentary are not free. Sure she will recoup that money if sales are good, but what if they aren't? What if the documentary costs more than it makes? Then Stevie is left holding the ball. Can she afford to release something that doesn't break even? Definitely! But if she can mitigate that risk by touring with Rod, then why not? I am not saying that Stevie has to tour in order to release the documentary, but what I do believe is that if Stevie chose not to tour with Rod, then she would not be guaranteed that she could tour this year, especially to such a large audience. She then risks not being able to secure a tour this year, which would leave her financing her own promotion! Why pay to fly to New York to do nothing but promote and get paid nothing for it when you can just do that promotion while you are already there playing a show? All in all, I think the tour with Rod was most likely agreed upon with high consideration of all of her expenses, including her plans for the IYD doc.


who said she is releasing this , is this a vanity project like cher's 'not.com.mercial' the one she produced , manufactured at her cost in limited edition and sold on line?

I would assume she is /has been shopping around for a distributor to suck up expenses and cost

[APerfectLie]

who said she is releasing this , is this a vanity project like cher's 'not.com.mercial' the one she produced , manufactured at her cost in limited edition and sold on line?

I would assume she is /has been shopping around for a distributor to suck up expenses and cost

It all comes down to contracts and risk transfer. If Stevie has a 360 degree contract with WB, they may in fact REQUIRE her to tour for them to release the documentary and then they can gain revenue for both!

[chiliD]

I never find Stevie's older cds in the used or cutout bins.

Denial is good. :shrug:

[Macfanforever]

Denial is good. :shrug:

Stevie 's work is so good,Nobody wants to dump her cd's into the used bins.

The same at the flea markets Very little Stevie cd's and vinyl.But alot of FM Rumours.

[KarmaContestant]

I never find Stevie's older cds in the used or cutout bins.

I don't either, except for Timespace from time to time. Of course, I've only shopped at one record store since about 1998; Denver's Twist & Shout.

[Macfanforever]

I don't either, except for Timespace from time to time. Of course, I've only shopped at one record store since about 1998; Denver's Twist & Shout.

I did find a boot Buckingham/Nicks CD at the local used cd shop years ago for about $25 dollars.

At the fleamarket I picked up about handful of the Belladonna,Wildheart,RAL,OSOM on Vinyl and cassettes.

Stevie's CD's are scarce over there.

[MikeInNV]

I hope she hits the road for more solo shows after the Rod gigs, and from what I have heard it is likely she will. Of course she is touring this summer. That's what Stevie does. Naysayers, meet Stevie Nicks. Road warrior. Cliff dweller from the old school. Pounder of the boards with platforms or frankenboks in any shed or similar venue she can book from July to September almost every year since 19 f-ing 75. I am sure she is pleased to meet you. Get to know her. She tours and makes money, which we all need to do, and has fun. She loves performing and like she has often said, what the hell else is gonna do but play music? How is this news to anyone with a brain and an internet connection?

I for one am glad she tours all the time. I don't go to all of the shows I can. But I am thrilled she still can get out there and do it. I never thought in the old days she would still be at it and still have the ability to not only knock it out of the park on some days, but also be consistently good. Her hallmark for many years was inconsistency. Good for her. She is a workhorse. And she finally got it down to a reliable art.

As far as IYD being a flop - I don't think it was. It did not do as well as some hoped it would. Myself included. But the truth is the market has changed so much and continues to change on a daily basis. What is the real litmus test for an artist her age? It is very hard to say. It did better than most recent releases by artists from her generation. And her hip factor remains through the roof. She wouldn't get bookings on Ellen, AGT, The Voice, or any such big shows if the producers did not think people would watch. Not only do people watch, but her legend precedes her. There is a tremendous good will towards her in the business as well. People behind the scenes love her. She's a pro. She nails the rehearsals, does her bit, everyone has fun with her. The sales? Who cares? She got great reviews. She did a nice and well attended support tour. Those of us who are lifelong fans by and large loved the record. I even converted a few decades long naysayers who were moved to tears by the work on IYD. I think the project was a major victory.

She clearly does as well. And if she wants to keep pushing it, good on her. The songs are worth it. She should be proud. And if that means she bucks common sense and keeps touring behind it, I am right there with her. Say what you will about Stevie, she does whatever the hell she wants. For her own reasons. And she always has. I haven't always agreed with her decisions, and I am sure she couldn't give a rat's ass, but in this case I do agree. I love this record as much as she does. And I think it is some small miracle she is as good as she still is. I never expected her to be able to pull this off, so I am gonna celebrate it as long as she does.

This post makes me want to kiss you.

[APerfectLie]

I don't either, except for Timespace from time to time. Of course, I've only shopped at one record store since about 1998; Denver's Twist & Shout.

I rarely find her stuff old stuff either. The last time I went to the record store, her vinyl section was completely empty and her CD section had seven USED copies of In Your Dreams, 1 used copy of Crystal Visions, and 1 used copy of Street Angel.

[On Ice]

I love In Your Dreams, it is Stevie's most consistently good album in terms of writing and singing that we've seen since her awesome performances on Fleetwood Mac's Mirage. It is a long album, but that's alright (pardon the pun), it's so great to hear her singing her heart out. That being said, I don't think Stevie is any better or worse than her peers in terms of how you gauge the success of this album. Other examples of albums approaching career bests that didn't register on what passes for radio these days: Peter Frampton, Thankyou Mr Churchill, is pure perfection but didn't register a bit on radio, Heart: Red Velvet Car, some great songs, performed professionally, one of the band's best, but not a hit; The Doobie Brothers: released a really good album, no notice; Steve Miller Band, Robert Plant, Blondie etc, all within Stevie's league of 70's rock stars, same thing. So Stevie (or Lindsey) are not alone in this, the others who have done just as good a work as Stevie, have also not been hits. Putting it into perspective though, all of these albums are "hits" for we fans and that's really what matters. At this point in Stevie's life/career, having big hits are just not going to happen, we have to appreciate it for what it is and not worry about that. She's had more than her fair share of success so who cares really if the radio plays her songs, we can choose to play them.

[poetinmyheart]

I love In Your Dreams, it is Stevie's most consistently good album in terms of writing and singing that we've seen since her awesome performances on Fleetwood Mac's Mirage. It is a long album, but that's alright (pardon the pun), it's so great to hear her singing her heart out. That being said, I don't think Stevie is any better or worse than her peers in terms of how you gauge the success of this album. Other examples of albums approaching career bests that didn't register on what passes for radio these days: Peter Frampton, Thankyou Mr Churchill, is pure perfection but didn't register a bit on radio, Heart: Red Velvet Car, some great songs, performed professionally, one of the band's best, but not a hit; The Doobie Brothers: released a really good album, no notice; Steve Miller Band, Robert Plant, Blondie etc, all within Stevie's league of 70's rock stars, same thing. So Stevie (or Lindsey) are not alone in this, the others who have done just as good a work as Stevie, have also not been hits. Putting it into perspective though, all of these albums are "hits" for we fans and that's really what matters. At this point in Stevie's life/career, having big hits are just not going to happen, we have to appreciate it for what it is and not worry about that. She's had more than her fair share of success so who cares really if the radio plays her songs, we can choose to play them.

100% agree :thumbsup:

[WildHearted]

I hope she hits the road for more solo shows after the Rod gigs, and from what I have heard it is likely she will. Of course she is touring this summer. That's what Stevie does. Naysayers, meet Stevie Nicks. Road warrior. Cliff dweller from the old school. Pounder of the boards with platforms or frankenboks in any shed or similar venue she can book from July to September almost every year since 19 f-ing 75. I am sure she is pleased to meet you. Get to know her. She tours and makes money, which we all need to do, and has fun. She loves performing and like she has often said, what the hell else is gonna do but play music? How is this news to anyone with a brain and an internet connection?

I for one am glad she tours all the time. I don't go to all of the shows I can. But I am thrilled she still can get out there and do it. I never thought in the old days she would still be at it and still have the ability to not only knock it out of the park on some days, but also be consistently good. Her hallmark for many years was inconsistency. Good for her. She is a workhorse. And she finally got it down to a reliable art.

As far as IYD being a flop - I don't think it was. It did not do as well as some hoped it would. Myself included. But the truth is the market has changed so much and continues to change on a daily basis. What is the real litmus test for an artist her age? It is very hard to say. It did better than most recent releases by artists from her generation. And her hip factor remains through the roof. She wouldn't get bookings on Ellen, AGT, The Voice, or any such big shows if the producers did not think people would watch. Not only do people watch, but her legend precedes her. There is a tremendous good will towards her in the business as well. People behind the scenes love her. She's a pro. She nails the rehearsals, does her bit, everyone has fun with her. The sales? Who cares? She got great reviews. She did a nice and well attended support tour. Those of us who are lifelong fans by and large loved the record. I even converted a few decades long naysayers who were moved to tears by the work on IYD. I think the project was a major victory.

She clearly does as well. And if she wants to keep pushing it, good on her. The songs are worth it. She should be proud. And if that means she bucks common sense and keeps touring behind it, I am right there with her. Say what you will about Stevie, she does whatever the hell she wants. For her own reasons. And she always has. I haven't always agreed with her decisions, and I am sure she couldn't give a rat's ass, but in this case I do agree. I love this record as much as she does. And I think it is some small miracle she is as good as she still is. I never expected her to be able to pull this off, so I am gonna celebrate it as long as she does.

Bravo, my friend. And I agree completely.

[vivfox]

At this point in Stevie's life/career, having big hits are just not going to happen


I don't agree with this statement because IMO a hit can happen at any stage in one's career. Elton has had many hits well into his late 50's and probably will still have more while he's in his late 60's. A great song is going to be heard by the masses.

[jcfree]

I hope she hits the road for more solo shows after the Rod gigs, and from what I have heard it is likely she will. Of course she is touring this summer. That's what Stevie does. Naysayers, meet Stevie Nicks. Road warrior. Cliff dweller from the old school. Pounder of the boards with platforms or frankenboks in any shed or similar venue she can book from July to September almost every year since 19 f-ing 75. I am sure she is pleased to meet you. Get to know her. She tours and makes money, which we all need to do, and has fun. She loves performing and like she has often said, what the hell else is gonna do but play music? How is this news to anyone with a brain and an internet connection?

I for one am glad she tours all the time. I don't go to all of the shows I can. But I am thrilled she still can get out there and do it. I never thought in the old days she would still be at it and still have the ability to not only knock it out of the park on some days, but also be consistently good. Her hallmark for many years was inconsistency. Good for her. She is a workhorse. And she finally got it down to a reliable art.

As far as IYD being a flop - I don't think it was. It did not do as well as some hoped it would. Myself included. But the truth is the market has changed so much and continues to change on a daily basis. What is the real litmus test for an artist her age? It is very hard to say. It did better than most recent releases by artists from her generation. And her hip factor remains through the roof. She wouldn't get bookings on Ellen, AGT, The Voice, or any such big shows if the producers did not think people would watch. Not only do people watch, but her legend precedes her. There is a tremendous good will towards her in the business as well. People behind the scenes love her. She's a pro. She nails the rehearsals, does her bit, everyone has fun with her. The sales? Who cares? She got great reviews. She did a nice and well attended support tour. Those of us who are lifelong fans by and large loved the record. I even converted a few decades long naysayers who were moved to tears by the work on IYD. I think the project was a major victory.

She clearly does as well. And if she wants to keep pushing it, good on her. The songs are worth it. She should be proud. And if that means she bucks common sense and keeps touring behind it, I am right there with her. Say what you will about Stevie, she does whatever the hell she wants. For her own reasons. And she always has. I haven't always agreed with her decisions, and I am sure she couldn't give a rat's ass, but in this case I do agree. I love this record as much as she does. And I think it is some small miracle she is as good as she still is. I never expected her to be able to pull this off, so I am gonna celebrate it as long as she does.

BRAVO! Well said sparky, my sentiments also!

[On Ice]

Hi Viv,

I would love to see Stevie have a hit song, maybe it could happen with a new Fleetwood Mac album (I think they're pretty much done though albeit touring), but if it didn't happen with the many awesome songs on In Your Dreams, I'm not holding out much hope. Hope I'm wrong.

[vivfox]

Hi Viv,

I would love to see Stevie have a hit song, maybe it could happen with a new Fleetwood Mac album (I think they're pretty much done though albeit touring), but if it didn't happen with the many awesome songs on In Your Dreams, I'm not holding out much hope. Hope I'm wrong.


Hello Ice! All of us would love for Stevie to have a huge hit from IYD but most of us agree it wasn't gonna happen with Secret Love and FWIW. Knowing Stevie and her choices the next single will probably be Cheaper Than Free when it should be Moonlight, New Orleans, The title track or The Ghosts are Gone.

[Macfanforever]

Hello Ice! All of us would love for Stevie to have a huge hit from IYD but most of us agree it wasn't gonna happen with Secret Love and FWIW. Knowing Stevie and her choices the next single will probably be Cheaper Than Free when it should be Moonlight, New Orleans, The title track or The Ghosts are Gone.

I was hoping for "Cheaper Than Free " and FWIW would hit the country stations with a country hit on the charts.

I'll say. Radio sucks these days.

[Johnny Stew]

Knowing Stevie and her choices the next single will probably be Cheaper Than Free when it should be Moonlight, New Orleans, The title track or The Ghosts are Gone.

As has been mentioned before, Stevie doesn't choose the singles. She's quite likely included in the decision-making process, considering her stature as an artist, but it's not entirely up to her as is often implied here.

Read this article for a glimpse into the process: http://www.songwriteruniverse.com/jimvellutato123.htm

Jim Vellutato (VP of A&R for Sony/ATV Music): "Currently, there are also more people involved in selecting the single. Years ago, there might be one A&R and/or marketing exec who chose the single. Now, there's the artist manager, the promo exec, the head of the label, the A&R execs, the producer, plus advertising execs and movie execs. All of these people could be involved in deciding which song becomes the single. "

Note that he didn't even mention the artist as part of the process.

[WildHearted]

I really think Stevie should go for In Your Dreams as her next single. It's a spring/summer sort of song - one you can blast with the windows down and all. Upbeat and catchy.

[MikeInNV]

I really think Stevie should go for In Your Dreams as her next single. It's a spring/summer sort of song - one you can blast with the windows down and all. Upbeat and catchy.

Yep, a great springtime song. If it caught on, it would be a great way to launch publicity for the documentary and for the tour with Rod. I saw it live one of the two times she performed it, and it works great....she could do it on all the TV shows she didn't hit last year.

[APerfectLie]

I really think Stevie should go for In Your Dreams as her next single. It's a spring/summer sort of song - one you can blast with the windows down and all. Upbeat and catchy.

Agreed, but I'm not holding my breath. They should have released it last May!

[Jondalar]

Agreed, but I'm not holding my breath. They should have released it last May!

I don't understand their resistance to it. It was most radio friendly single on the album.

[Eponymous]

...

Jim Vellutato (VP of A&R for Sony/ATV Music): "Currently, there are also more people involved in selecting the single. Years ago, there might be one A&R and/or marketing exec who chose the single. Now, there's the artist manager, the promo exec, the head of the label, the A&R execs, the producer, plus advertising execs and movie execs. All of these people could be involved in deciding which song becomes the single. "

Note that he didn't even mention the artist as part of the process.

If that many people were actually involved in choosing the singles from IYD, then shame on all of them. IMHO, “Secret Love” was one of the weakest songs on the album (“Cheaper Than Free” is maybe a bit weaker). FWIW was a great second single, but the first single needed to be a strong, catchy song. Several songs on the album qualified, but were not chosen. Although I personally like “Italian Summer,” I know it isn’t good single material because it needs a string section, and it would be difficult to perform night after night on tour. Even though I don’t consider the album to be a “flop," I am so sorry that it was mishandled from the singles standpoint. Despite the extensive publicity push with all of the appearances and TV spots, it did not garner the attention it deserved. That’s a shame.

[Aussie W/Heart]

If that many people were actually involved in choosing the singles from IYD, then shame on all of them. IMHO, “Secret Love” was one of the weakest songs on the album (“Cheaper Than Free” is maybe a bit weaker). FWIW was a great second single, but the first single needed to be a strong, catchy song. Several songs on the album qualified, but were not chosen. Although I personally like “Italian Summer,” I know it isn’t good single material because it needs a string section, and it would be difficult to perform night after night on tour. Even though I don’t consider the album to be a “flop," I am so sorry that it was mishandled from the singles standpoint. Despite the extensive publicity push with all of the appearances and TV spots, it did not garner the attention it deserved. That’s a shame.

I totally agree, its so frustrating that Stevie's industry people, seem to ALWAYS get it SO wrong, they continue to sabotage Stevie music time after time and it really pis*es me off.. Stevie promoted her butt off all year,( an Album she is very proud of as are her fans) behind a not so good first single.. On the other hand Moonlight, WSS, GAG or New Orleans, much better choice in IMHO.. Same goes for TISL, Everyday was also another poor choice..

I imagine that all these knuckleheads get payed big bucks for their so called skills in marketing knowledge, hit predictions etc.. This has been going on since the very beginning of Fleetwood Mac & Stevie's Solo career, its such a shame !! :shrug:

[vivfox]

I really think Stevie should go for In Your Dreams as her next single. It's a spring/summer sort of song - one you can blast with the windows down and all. Upbeat and catchy.


I don't even like this song yet I completely agree with you.

[Macfanforever]

I totally agree, its so frustrating that Stevie's industry people, seem to ALWAYS get it SO wrong, they continue to sabotage Stevie music time after time and it really pis*es me off.. Stevie promoted her butt off all year,( an Album she is very proud of as is her fans) behind a not so good first single.. On the other hand Moonlight, WSS, GAG or New Orleans, much better choice in IMHO.. Same goes for TISL, Everyday was also another poor choice..

I imagine that all these knuckleheads get payed big bucks for their so called skills in marketing knowledge, hit predictions etc.. This has been going on since the very beginning of Fleetwood Mac & Stevie's Solo career, its such a shame !! :shrug:

I agree 100 percent.I could never figure out her management dept out plus the rest of the industry people in charge.If it was up to me . I would fire all of them and only keep the band.Plus dump WB/Reprise .And start over again with usefull people.

[On Ice]

I don't think Secret Love was a bad single choice, however, still not the best out of the gate, been away for 10 years, kind of punch that Stevie needed. I've said a few times before, that my thoughts around re-capturing Stevie's essence needed to be where it best reflected the Stevie of yesteryear, if in fact the world insists on promoting her as a "living legend". If that's the case, then we need to tap into what made her a living legend, the voice! That moment appeared on New Orleans with the Dress up and Brush by refrain near the end of the song. Re-configure the song with those notes appearing early on, and you've caught the attention of those longing to re-visit that wistful vocal on Dreams. Just my humble opinion, but that's what drew me to Stevie's voice when I first became a fan back in the ancient days of 1975 and that's overwhelmingly what made Dreams a #1 hit, was her voice.

[PolishStevieFan]

I think that "Secret Love" was great first single especially when it was announced that the song dates back to the "Rumours" era which only could help to sell the song to the public. The second single-"For What It's Worth" is one of my favourite songs on the album but it should have been released as a third single. The second single should have been the title track which I find so catchy that it's really hard not to like. The chours, the melody and the arrangement-everything about this song screams #1 hit (at least in perfect world). I know that Stevie usually doesn't release title tracks as singles but this time she should make exception to this rule. I believe that with tight promotion this song will find its way to the top of the charts.

[vivfox]

I think that "Secret Love" was great first single especially when it was announced that the song dates back to the "Rumours" era which only could help to sell the song to the public.


It would have been a great single if she included the original vocal from that era.

[jannieC]

I still say Moonlight should have been her first single. I don't understand the decision making process when it comes to this kind of thing.

[THINKABOUTIT]

Thank you Jannie C...."Moonlight" is a fricken masterpiece!!! The original demo I have of it was amazing too, yet pales in comparison to the IYD version!! When she played it at the Grammy museum, my friends & I were stunned! :) :thumbsup:

I don't get why this album didn't get air play, then again, when you have so many new young artists out there, the competition is tough; take Adele for instance. Some of them, in my opinion, are such trash anyhow.

We have an amazing station here in L.A., 100.3 The Sound. They play album sides, rarities, etc. They often speak about Stevie. For the past year, when their commercials would go on, they'd play the opening chords to "Secret Love" & then stop, before the lyrics chime in....I've never understood it :laugh:

Perhaps her management wants her to tour w/ Rod again, for, what I'm sure, I hope, are a variety of reasons. I am not super thrilled about it either; I don't dislike Rod, he's cool, yet she is much better suited with Tom Petty, etc. The Hollywood Bowl shows here, were soooo overflowed with Rod fans, it kinda made me sad & pissed off at some of their actions.

I'd rather her tour again on her own, yet who knows why that may not happen this summer. I wish we knew :)

I think, & again, this is my humble opinion, that she should play the Wiltern every year on her birthday!! It was amazing! Or the big U.S. cities, so everyone can have a chance. If not on her birthday, she may want some to herself LOL, then every spring or summer, for a night or two or three. That night was soooo wonderful; my friends & I and every other Stevie fan I have known over the years wants it to happen again! We can only pray the right people are reading this LOL.

Funny thing is, IYD is the best thing she's done since Bella Donna; I often have trouble discerning whether it equates w/ Bella Donna or tops it LOL....& mind you, I love every album, yet the irony is that this one, is hailed by us fans & critics as her best work & it has had, in some ways, strange publicity, strange touring.

All I know is IYD came out at a perfect time in my life; last year was pretty awful for me & that album has been a catharsis :) :)