2012 Fleetwood Mac Contest

[MacShadowsBall]

Well it is time for a new Fleetwood Mac contest. In 2010, we did favorite Fleetwood Mac song, while last year we did least favorite song.

Here are the choices for the next contest. Vote for the one you would like to see done.

Choice A - Best of Christine, Lindsey, Stevie
This contest would take the best of both FM and solo songs for each performer and create an 18 song "Best of". For example, "The Best of Stevie Nicks, 18 songs chronicling her songs from 1973's Buckingham Nicks album through 2011's In Your Dreams." This would be done for each of the Rumours era vocalists.

Choice B - Favorite Non-Hit Song
This contest would remove the songs that are/were deemed hits and find the favorite song among the others.

Choice C - Favorite Live Performance
About 4 peformances for each song they peformed live would be eligible to determine the favorite live performance. Once each song has a favorite live performance, they will battle it out for Overall favorite Fleetwood Mac peformance.

Choice D - The Ultimate Fleetwood Mac: 18 Songs That Every Fleetwood Mac Fan Should Have
This would create an ultimate 1 disc best of Fleetwood Mac.

Due to the lack of participation from the Pre-Rumours Ledgies during last years contest, these contests would focus mainly on the Rumours/Post-Rumours era albums and songs.

Opinions or comments let me know! :cool:

[Silver Springs]

Non hit song would be interesting.

[bluefox4000]

I voted non-hit as well.

Mick

[elle]

although i think the non-hit idea might be interesting in general, i like separate best-of for each songwriter even better.

my reasoning: b/c of uneven numbers of fans for each songwriter among registered members on this board, i don't follow polls where songs from 3 songwriters are pitted against each other. in such polls, songs that are the most interesting to me tend to be eliminated fast.

[MikeInNV]

although i think the non-hit idea might be interesting in general, i like separate best-of for each songwriter even better.

my reasoning: b/c of uneven numbers of fans for each songwriter among registered members on this board, i don't follow polls where songs from 3 songwriters are pitted against each other. in such polls, songs that are the most interesting to me tend to be eliminated fast.

We could split out the non-hit favorites for each songwriter separately.

[elle]

We could split out the non-hit favorites for each songwriter separately.

sounds like a nice solution to me!:thumbsup:

[MacFan92]

I'm torn! They're all good. I'll have to think it over.

[MacShadowsBall]

although i think the non-hit idea might be interesting in general, i like separate best-of for each songwriter even better.

my reasoning: b/c of uneven numbers of fans for each songwriter among registered members on this board, i don't follow polls where songs from 3 songwriters are pitted against each other. in such polls, songs that are the most interesting to me tend to be eliminated fast.

Glad to see you interested in the next contest. I remember our discussions on the one back in 2010. :)

Generally, as long as there is a Stevie song in the poll, it will win regardless.

We could split out the non-hit favorites for each songwriter separately.

That's the way I was thinking. Check back on my threads from August-Dec of 2010 for the favorite song contest. I broke up each album by the 3 different vocalists, got a winner for each vocalist on that album, and then had those songs battle for favorite song from that album.

[Blueletter18]

I voted for the best-of lists- it would be nice to have a well-rounded compilation put together for each songwriter.

[poetinmyheart]

I'm torn! They're all good. I'll have to think it over.

Me too. Will have a think on it. Forerunner at the moment is choice B - non hit.

[Blueletter18]

sounds like a nice solution to me!:thumbsup:

Me too, that would be a great compromise!

[McTrouble]

Choice A - Best of.....

Can we do all these polls one after the other? :D

[vivfox]

Can we do all these polls one after the other? :D

This is MacShadowsBall's thread. Ofcourse she'll get around to making a poll of all three. That's what she does best: pole dancing.:lol:

[TerraRhiannon]

I love all of these ideas but... I voted for non hit. I think it would be interesting to see what could come out on top!

[PenguinHead]

This is MacShadowsBall's thread. Ofcourse she'll get around to making a poll of all three. That's what she does best: pole dancing.:lol:

:laugh:Perhaps there should be a contest of our favorite poll.:shocked:

I think that the concept of contests that pitch songs against songs are ridiculous. But to each its own. Over time I've lost interest in them. Yet interestingly, I still have interest in poles. (insert smirky smile here).

[michelej1]

Yet interestingly, I still have interest in poles. (insert smirky smile here).

That's because your avatar is a penguin and gravitates North.

Michele

[MacShadowsBall]

Choice A - Best of.....

Can we do all these polls one after the other? :D

This one will run between February to about June. The next would be around September. Gotta leave a break in there for me and everybody to recuperate. :D

This is MacShadowsBall's thread. Ofcourse she'll get around to making a poll of all three. That's what she does best: pole dancing.:lol:

Thanks vivfox, but I'ma dude. Haven't we been through this before! :lol:

I think that the concept of contests that pitch songs against songs are ridiculous.

PenguinHead, I'm sorry you feel that way. I guess being a Ledgie for so long and seeing things like this so many times can be "ridiculous". Nonetheless, I try to make these contests both fair yet different from the ones in the past. Also newer Ledgies haven't experienced song battles and contest. They provide for good discussion and a critical analysis of the Fleetwood Mac catalogue. I hope you participate some, though. :cool:

...and until Fleetwood Mac get their act together and give us another album, what else do we have to do!?!?!?!

[KarmaContestant]

I went with A. It could be fun, grueling, and a little bit offensive. :laugh:

Trying to narrow Stevie's/Lindsey's/Christine's entire catalog, both solo and FM down to 6 songs each? Sonds like a blast!

[MacShadowsBall]

I went with A. It could be fun, grueling, and a little bit offensive. :laugh:

Trying to narrow Stevie's/Lindsey's/Christine's entire catalog, both solo and FM down to 6 songs each? Sonds like a blast!

Actually it would be 18 songs for each of them, solo and FM songs as you said. Kinda like Stevie's Crystal Visions CD but including FM album versions. Plus Lindsey and Christine don't have a official "Best of" released. :cool:

[KarmaContestant]

Actually it would be 18 songs for each of them, solo and FM songs as you said. Kinda like Stevie's Crystal Visions CD but including FM album versions. Plus Lindsey and Christine don't have a official "Best of" released. :cool:

Ah... Just my humble opinion, but 18 songs each seems like it might be too...easy? Not sure that's the right word. :cool:

[moon]

Non-Hit sounds a good choice! :thumbsup:

[TrueFaith77]

18 is the perfect count.

That's how many tracks are on Say You Will. ;)

[TrueFaith77]

As for solo best-ofs: I am a staunch believer in Singles collections. If there are too many singles, then I believe in establishing some sort of charting position ("Greatest Hits"). I totally hate random "best of" collections that have no basis in history or reality but instead are based on the arbitrary whim of some accountant at a record company.

[elle]

As for solo best-ofs: I am a staunch believer in Singles collections. If there are too many singles, then I believe in establishing some sort of charting position ("Greatest Hits"). I totally hate random "best of" collections that have no basis in history or reality but instead are based on the arbitrary whim of some accountant at a record company.

unlike singles? :laugh:

[TrueFaith77]

unlike singles? :laugh:

...and consequently impacted the culture as a single.

[MacShadowsBall]

Ah... Just my humble opinion, but 18 songs each seems like it might be too...easy? Not sure that's the right word. :cool:

18 is the perfect count.

That's how many tracks are on Say You Will. ;)

18 songs perhaps would be "less challenging" as opposed to 10 or so. Narrowing down Stevie's entire catalog to just 18 songs would definitely be harder than Lindsey or Christine's, in my opinion. Most CD's can hold 18 songs so I thought that was a good number to create that 1-disc "Best of" for each Rumours-era vocalists. :cool:

As for solo best-ofs: I am a staunch believer in Singles collections. If there are too many singles, then I believe in establishing some sort of charting position ("Greatest Hits"). I totally hate random "best of" collections that have no basis in history or reality but instead are based on the arbitrary whim of some accountant at a record company.

I seem to remember you doing a singles list for Christine on her forum last year. My idea would have more that just the singles in the running. All songs penned by that vocalist - solo, FM, etc would be eligible with no restrictions or rules about album limits.

[elle]

18 songs perhaps would be "less challenging" as opposed to 10 or so. Narrowing down Stevie's entire catalog to just 18 songs would definitely be harder than Lindsey or Christine's, in my opinion. Most CD's can hold 18 songs so I thought that was a good number to create that 1-disc "Best of" for each Rumours-era vocalists.

how many solo albums did Stevie put out? 7? and 7 albums with FM? some extra singles?

how about Lindsey? 6 solo albums plus 6 albums with FM. plus some extra singles / film songs.

Christine? tons of FM albums, 2 solo, and Chickenshack ones?

[would you count singles? i guess you would need to if you are going with entire catalog from each of them.]

so, they are all probably at about the same number i suspect.


i like 18 as a starting number. we tried to get lindsey down to (i believe?) 10 songs in the recent thread and it was really really painful. most people had to go over 10. you can always follow up by slimming down to a smaller number after that...

I seem to remember you doing a singles list for Christine on her forum last year. My idea would have more that just the singles in the running. All songs penned by that vocalist - solo, FM, etc would be eligible with no restrictions or rules about album limits.

i like that. as long as they were officially released?

[elle]

18 songs perhaps would be "less challenging" as opposed to 10 or so.

just FYI - on LB board we have recently done "top 10 lindsey solo songs" http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=49046 - but not a combination of both solo and FM songs. and it wasn't a poll, we were just trying to list them.

[MacShadowsBall]

Yeah, the actual amount of songs that the three have put out is about the same, but Stevie's are more popular......... ;)

I saw that Lindsey thread, so yeah 10 songs is really hard.

Only official releases would count. Also stickly mainly to the album version of that release.

Certainly things can change before the contest begins based on the overall view of Ledgies, but we can't be changing the rules once the contest begins. :cool:

[elle]

Yeah, the actual amount of songs that the three have put out is about the same, but Stevie's are more popular......... ;).

stevie solo is more popular, of course, but it seems that in general people still go crazy at her solo shows mostly when she sings her FM songs and don't even know most of her her solo catalog other than EO17 and SB? [which is very similar for lindsey too, btw]. note, i'm talking about general audiences at their shows, not huge fans like most people on these boards.

anyway - i don't know her solo songs either way - same as you don't know lindsey solo songs i presume :shrug: :lol: [actually, i barely know lindsey's FM songs from Mirage and Tango ;) ]
I saw that Lindsey thread, so yeah 10 songs is really hard.

yup, by the end of the thread we decided we can't have less than 20 solo lindsey songs, and that we could probably whittle down to 50 lindsey songs all together, if we count both his solo and FM songs.:laugh:

[MacShadowsBall]

anyway - i don't know her solo songs either way - same as you don't know lindsey solo songs i presume :shrug: :lol: [actually, i barely know lindsey's FM songs from Mirage and Tango ;) ]

You presume correctly! :)

I know his albums and a few songs by name. I'm really a Fleetwood Mac fan first and foremost, so I know his Fleetwood Mac songs. :cool:

If and when we do the 18 songs for Lindsey, I would need somebody that is more of a Lindsey solo fan than I to officiate those polls.

[Silver Springs]

If and when we do the 18 songs for Lindsey, I would need somebody that is more of a Lindsey solo fan than I to officiate those polls.

I volunteer myself if you need in the future. :)

Obviously that's if you don't have anybody else in mind. Don't want to step on any toes...

[elle]

I volunteer myself if you need in the future. :)

Obviously that's if you don't have anybody else in mind. Don't want to step on any toes...

i'll second Silver Springs' candidacy. highly qualified for lindsey solo stuff :nod: :).

[MacShadowsBall]

I volunteer myself if you need in the future. :)

Obviously that's if you don't have anybody else in mind. Don't want to step on any toes...

i'll second Silver Springs' candidacy. highly qualified for lindsey solo stuff :nod: :).

Actually I had both of you in mind!!! :laugh: However it is looking like the "non-hits" contest will be done first as it has the most votes.

I really want to include Pre-Rumours songs in the non-hits contest, but I'm concerned about whether or not there would be enough participation out of the Pre-Rumours Ledgies, particularly among the Peter Green/Blues era fans.

I could just start with Future Games and go until Say You Will , including of course the Post-Rumours albums.

Thoughts?

[ragrsrocalot]

I choose B= Favorite Non-Hit Song. It think that would be interesting.

[vivfox]

I choose B= Favorite Non-Hit Song. It think that would be interesting.


Me too. But knowing M.S.B., he's gonna make a poll of all three choices eventually.

[Silver Springs]

I could just start with Future Games and go until Say You Will , including of course the Post-Rumours albums.

Thoughts?

I think it would be a mistake to exclude part of the back catalogue. Just have to be prepared for a little less participation than with the "fab five" era.

[MacShadowsBall]

Okay Ledgies, looks like our next contest will be to find the Favorite Non-hit Fleetwood Mac song of all time, including all FM albums - Pre-Rumours, Rumours, and Post-Rumours eras. Hopefully more that just 3 Ledgies vote in the Pre-Rumours polls!

Here's what I'm thinking... 3 threads per album. The first thread would be "Rate these songs from 1 to 5 stars." The second one would be the nominations thread for all the non-hits, and the final thread would be to find the favorite non-hit song from that album.

Confused? :confused:

[MacShadowsBall]

I'm gettting the final touches worked on for the new contest. The first thread focusing on the '75 album will be posted tonight. :cool:

[MacShadowsBall]

Any suggestions on how to handle this contest with the Pre-Rumours albums/songs? According to wikipedia, the top 20 hits in the UK were "Albatross", "Man of the World", "Oh Well", and "The Green Manalishi".

[HomerMcvie]

Any suggestions on how to handle this contest with the Pre-Rumours albums/songs? According to wikipedia, the top 20 hits in the UK were "Albatross", "Man of the World", "Oh Well", and "The Green Manalishi".
BUT there was a post Green FM, beyond those hits, both in the UK and the US. Don't forget about Hypnotized, Sentimental Lady, and even if uncharted, the best FM song of all time, WHY.:nod:

Bob Welch SAVED Fleetwood Mac - Mick Fleetwood

[MacShadowsBall]

BUT there was a post Green FM, beyond those hits, both in the UK and the US. Don't forget about Hypnotized, Sentimental Lady, and even if uncharted, the best FM song of all time, WHY.:nod:

Bob Welch SAVED Fleetwood Mac - Mick Fleetwood

True, but should the same standard we are using for the Rumours era apply to the Pre-Rumours era, both with Green/Blues and the "Christine/Welch" factions?

Hypnotized and Why won favorite songs back in 2010 for the Christine/Welch albums. If they are included again here, they will just win again.

I don't really want the same songs that won the 2010 contest winning this one. :cool:

[MacShadowsBall]

Here's what I'm thinking as far as Pre-Rumours is concerned, removing these songs counting them as "hits"...

Albatross
Man of the World
Oh Well
Green Manalishi
Station Man? - it did win overall Favorite Danny FM song in 2010
Sentimental Lady
Hypnotized
Why

[MacShadowsBall]

Here's what I'm thinking as far as Pre-Rumours is concerned, removing these songs counting them as "hits"...

Albatross
Man of the World
Oh Well
Green Manalishi
Station Man? - it did win overall Favorite Danny FM song in 2010
Sentimental Lady
Hypnotized
Why

So, is the list agreed upon as far as Pre-Rumours songs are concerned? :shrug:

[HomerMcvie]

Are you agreeing with yourself? :D;):laugh::wavey:

[MacShadowsBall]

Are you agreeing with yourself? :D;):laugh::wavey:

Apparently, since nobody else has responded. I posted a similiar thread on the Pre-Rumours forum also. :shrug: