Wuthering Heights

[Jondalar]

Because some of you bitches talk up Kate Bush, I decided to explore her music more. I always did like her, especially Running Up that Hill, however, I never eplored to much. I just discovered Wuthering Heights. I love, love, love, love this song. However, I wish there was a remastered or definitive version. of it. Itunes basically only has one album version from her. This song is great but I was wondering if there was a definitive version of this.

[Artemis]

The definitive version has to be the 1986 re-recorded version, imo

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[Jondalar]

The definitive version has to be the 1986 re-recorded version, imo

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from what album is this? and how do I get it

[mikephxaz]

Because some of you bitches talk up Kate Bush, I decided to explore her music more. I always did like her, especially Running Up that Hill, however, I never eplored to much. I just discovered Wuthering Heights. I love, love, love, love this song. However, I wish there was a remastered or definitive version. of it. Itunes basically only has one album version from her. This song is great but I was wondering if there was a definitive version of this.

If you havent seen the official video of Kate and Peter's Don't Give Up...its incredible!

[Jondalar]

If you havent seen the official video of Kate and Peter's Don't Give Up...its incredible!

yeah, I like that song, but consider it his song

[mezzoforte]

Why is this in the Stevie forum?

[Jondalar]

Why is this in the Stevie forum?

Oops my bad. Please change this to Chit Chat.

[iamnotafraid]

I just discovered Wuthering Heights. I love, love, love, love this song. This song is great but I was wondering if there was a definitive version of this.

Yes, there is a definitive version. And it's
sung by Pat Benatar.

And I think Peter and Kate were great on
Don't Give Up.

[mezzoforte]

Yes, there is a definitive version. And it's
sung by Pat Benatar.

And I think Peter and Kate were great on
Don't Give Up.

:laugh:
As a Kate fan, I really hate to say it, but I agree--probably because I heard Pat's version first. I was a kid and had been a Pat fan for years when I finally heard the original. I will never forget how horrified I was by this weird, yelpy chick. I honestly wasn't sure whether she was joking!

I finally came around on Kate, but never on Withering Heights!

[Dodfather]

from what album is this? and how do I get it

That version of Wuthering Heights is from The Whole Story - a singles collection Kate released in 1986 and re-recorded this vocal for it. It's a great collection and the album is still widely available.

I'm a big Kate fan. I'd recommend all her albums in general but here's a list of my favourite individual tracks:

Wuthering Heights (The Kick Inside/The Whole Story)
The Man With The Child In His Eyes (The Kick Inside/The Whole Story)
James and the Cold Gun (The Kick Inside)
Kite (The Kick Inside)
December Will Be Magic Again (single only - a lovely Christmas song)
Babooshka (Never For Ever/The Whole Story)
The Wedding List (Never For Ever)
Wow (Lionheart/The Whole Story)
Sat In Your Lap (The Dreaming/The Whole Story)
Cloudbusting (Hounds Of Love/The Whole Story)
Hounds Of Love (Hounds of Love/The Whole Story)
Running Up That Hill (Hounds of Love/The Whole Story)
Don't Give Up (with Peter Gabriel) (So - Peter Gabriel)
Experiment IV (The Whole Story)
Rocket Man (Elton John Cover) (Two Rooms: A Tribute To Elton John and Bernie Taupin)
Love and Anger (The Sensual World)
This Woman's Work (The Sensual World)
The Sensual World (The Sensual World)
Depper Understanding (The Sensual World)
Eat The Music (The Red Shoes)
Rubberband Girl (The Red Shoes)
Moments of Pleasure (The Red Shoes)
King Of The Mountain (Aerial)
Sexual Healing (yes - a very random cover!) (B-side of King Of The Mountain single, on itunes)
Mrs Bartolozzi (Aerial)
Pi (Aerial)
How To Be Invisible (Aerial)
A Coral Room (Aerial)
Flower Of The Mountain (re-recorded version of The Sensual World) (Director's Cut)
Deeper Understanding (re-recorded version) (Director's Cut)

Phew! :)

The Director's Cut consists of re-recorded versions of songs from The Sensual World and The Red Shoes so I haven't listed much from that. Some of the tracks from that album are very much an acquired taste. For example I'm not keen on what she did with This Woman's Work, which was perfect as it was, and especially the new version of Rubberband Girl which I just think doesn't work.

I haven't listened to her new album, 50 Words For Snow, enough to select individual tracks yet.

[Dodfather]

I've just re-read this list and I love it. I may have to make a compilation!

[olive]

I think Pat did it best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH-oiBAubg4

[Dodfather]

I think Pat did it best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH-oiBAubg4

Ok, I'm mad at myself now for not listening to that version in years. I do like Pat Benatar, there's no doubting that voice, but for me it will always be Kate's original version. What a tough song to cover though - Pat does it well!

[BombaySapphire3]

I think Pat's version did not have the pathos that Kate's did at all.Kate really captured the character of Catherine Earnshaw in the song.Pat's sounds more sterile IMO and with a very dated Mike Chapman production.Kate's version is much more timeless.Kate like Stevie almost always does their own work better than others cover it.

[Dodfather]

How about this version though?? LOVE it! It's so unexpected and you've gotta love the spoken part (very fitting!) and some good old audience aprticipation!

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[vivfox]

Why is this in the Stevie forum?


Shouldn't this be in the Stevie forum?:p:laugh:

[David]

Yes, there is a definitive version. And it's
sung by Pat Benatar.
Pat Benatar isn't a pimple on Kate's tushy!!

[iamnotafraid]

Pat Benatar isn't a pimple on Kate's tushy!!

Them's fighting words brother!

[Pyewacket]

Pat's operatic voice is awesome! And on full display for this song!

But...

For Pat it was a vocal showpiece and even she says she never quite got the song right. Kate's versions, as all her songs do, place you into the story she's telling. "Cathy" is a child-ghost, after all, so the vocal should sound keening and weird. I like it...it was a daring choice and her vocal whips right through you like an arctic chill. And that piano is hypnotic and amazing.

[Jondalar]

Pat's operatic voice is awesome! And on full display for this song!

But...

For Pat it was a vocal showpiece and even she says she never quite got the song right. Kate's versions, as all her songs do, place you into the story she's telling. "Cathy" is a child-ghost, after all, so the vocal should sound keening and weird. I like it...it was a daring choice and her vocal whips right through you like an arctic chill. And that piano is hypnotic and amazing.

I sorta of agree with you. I like all the versions, but none seem perfect to me. The one that captures the spirit of the song the best is the original. Seems to me however, that none are quite perfect.

[Pyewacket]

I hope this isn't bad form, but I will paste a link to a discussion about it in another forum because I think Wuthering Heights is the perfect song (literally, I was thinking that the original is one of the most perfectly written and executed songs of all time...and I was thinking this days ago, before I ever entered this thread).

I am not versed in music theory, but clearly some of these participants are and their discussion will give any of us who are laymen some insight into how wildly unique and incredibly constructed this one song is.

Here 'tis: http://thehomegroundandkatebushnewsandinfoforum.yuku.com/reply/342706/WH-as-a-musical-curiosity#reply-342706

[Fireflies]

Here 'tis: http://thehomegroundandkatebushnewsandinfoforum.yuku.com/reply/342706/WH-as-a-musical-curiosity#reply-342706

very interesting, thank you!

[PolishStevieFan]

No matter how I admire Pat Benatar and that "voice" I think that "Wuthering Heights" has always been and will be Kate Bush's landmark. No one, I mean no one can come close to the perfection that is original version of this song. I know that Bush's voice is something of acquired taste but it's her voice that makes this song so special. On the other hand I can't imagine Kate Bush perfecting Benatar's "Hell Is For Children" or "Promises In The Dark".

[Pyewacket]

No matter how I admire Pat Benatar and that "voice" I think that "Wuthering Heights" has always been and will be Kate Bush's landmark. No one, I mean no one can come close to the perfection that is original version of this song. I know that Bush's voice is something of acquired taste but it's her voice that makes this song so special. On the other hand I can't imagine Kate Bush perfecting Benatar's "Hell Is For Children" or "Promises In The Dark".

If this were facebook, I'd click "like."

[HejiraNYC]

I hope this isn't bad form, but I will paste a link to a discussion about it in another forum because I think Wuthering Heights is the perfect song (literally, I was thinking that the original is one of the most perfectly written and executed songs of all time...and I was thinking this days ago, before I ever entered this thread).

I am not versed in music theory, but clearly some of these participants are and their discussion will give any of us who are laymen some insight into how wildly unique and incredibly constructed this one song is.

Here 'tis: http://thehomegroundandkatebushnewsandinfoforum.yuku.com/reply/342706/WH-as-a-musical-curiosity#reply-342706

Thanks for the interesting read! I wouldn't go as far as to say that it's the perfect song, but the anatomical dissection of the song on that KB forum was definitely an eye-opener. I have to agree that it's a song that truly doesn't have a key, let alone a consistent time signature, yet it's oddly melodic and catchy. It's certainly one of the most unusual pop hit singles in recording history, but I think it's still open to debate whether Kate really was some kind of mad musical prodigy or whether the array of (seemingly conflicting) musical motifs on display in WH was just a happy accident borne of naivety. I am tempted to think it's the latter moreso than the former based on some of the simply dreadful demos she recorded before debut album. Perhaps it was the genius of Andrew Powell (or David Gilmour?), who was able to articulate musically what she was attempting to achieve in those early demos?

[HejiraNYC]

No matter how I admire Pat Benatar and that "voice" I think that "Wuthering Heights" has always been and will be Kate Bush's landmark. No one, I mean no one can come close to the perfection that is original version of this song. I know that Bush's voice is something of acquired taste but it's her voice that makes this song so special. On the other hand I can't imagine Kate Bush perfecting Benatar's "Hell Is For Children" or "Promises In The Dark".

Actually I think Kate back in the day would have done an incredible version of "Promises in the Dark." I really, really like the thought of her singing it. Granted, it would be a totally re-worked version using a Fairlight synthesizer!

[Pyewacket]

Perhaps it was the genius of Andrew Powell (or David Gilmour?), who was able to articulate musically what she was attempting to achieve in those early demos?

Hmmm...I think some of the demos are pretty ingenious (and keep in mind that some of them had been written when she was a pre-teen, and that "The Man With The Child in His Eyes" in particular was penned when she was only 14). Many Kate fans think that some of the demos are more ingenious than what ended up on her debut album, which would lead one to believe that Andrew Powell was more an albatross round her neck than a musical prodigy himself. And David Gilmour had no hand in the creation of "Wuthering Heights," which was written after his involvement/financing of her demos altogether.

Powell himself has said (recently) that he and Kate would disagree on a particular section and that they'd have to figure out a compromise that worked for both of them (which suggests she was no passive participant in the recording). And though there is no demo of "Wuthering Heights" by which to judge, the demos of "Oh To Be in Love," "Kite," "The Kick Inside," "Moving," "Babooshka" and more are already note-for-note the same songs that they became on vinyl (just not recorded as well). I know that she was particularly proud of "Wuthering" and fought with Bob Mercer to ensure it became the first single (instead of "James and the Cold Gun," which the record company preferred). I see no reason to believe that Powell changed a note of "Wuthering" from the original she'd created. And if that's true, then the brilliant idea of the bizarre, delayed home key arriving on the word "home" was surely hers.

[Pyewacket]

Strange that this question should appear and then have a response within a few days from Kate herself!

In her most recent interview, she briefly addresses her involvement with the first two albums. Turns out, she actually had a hand in the arranging too.

The Daily Swarm: What was the first album you made where you really took the reins and became an auteur of the whole production process?

Kate Bush: I think I’ve always been lucky. Even with my first two albums, while I wasn’t involved in the production really, I had a lot of ideas for arrangements. I’ve always been in the position where I wrote the songs and presented them to the record company.


The complete interview is here: http://www.thedailyswarm.com/swarm/firsts-kate-bush/

[Pyewacket]

Hey, got a minute?

Cool.

Now've you got 36 minutes?

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[Macfanforever]

Hey, got a minute?

Cool.

Now've you got 36 minutes?

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What a great edit.She's is a beuatiful woman.I wish I got into her ages ago.