Volume 6: Year of the Mac: 1992/1993 [Archive]

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MacShadowsBall

12-03-2011, 05:03 PM

This is double-dose in the "Year of the Mac" series. Since this time was kinda strange with the different and changing incarnations of the band, I thought this would be interesting.

Post youtube videos, news articles, demos, photos, comments, etc pertaining to Fleetwood Mac in the years 1992 and 1993. :cool:

MacShadowsBall

12-04-2011, 05:14 PM

Fleetwood Mac, 1992 CNN interview

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SteveMacD

12-05-2011, 11:25 PM

chiliD

12-06-2011, 02:23 PM

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Quite the rare photo of Christine McVie & Dave Mason being in the same room at the same time...both coming out alive & unbloodied. :laugh:

wetcamelfood

12-06-2011, 05:02 PM

Quite the rare photo of Christine McVie & Dave Mason being in the same room at the same time...both coming out alive & unbloodied. :laugh:

Wonder if this is the old "split screen" effect? :)

John

MacShadowsBall

12-07-2011, 11:04 PM

michelej1

12-07-2011, 11:20 PM

Back in 1992/1993 , what did you guys think of this performance and of Fleetwood Mac in general? Did you think this would turn into more than what it was?

Yes, I did and I was disappointed when nothing came of it. But even when Lindsey showed up in 1990, I was hoping that that meant they might record again. So, I was sad then too. Michele

SteveMacD

12-08-2011, 01:20 AM

Sometimes I wonder why this wasn't enough for the Fab 5 to get back together. I guess it took another 4 years for everybody's feelings to be right again.
Lindsey was in the process of putting his first solo tour together and establishing himself as a solo artist. He had spent five years trying to distance himself from the band and wasn't about to rejoin. Stevie was super pissed at the band as it was, and really had no interest in being in it anymore. The other three were game, though Christine had retired from the road by that point.

Back in 1992/1993 , what did you guys think of this performance and of Fleetwood Mac in general? Did you think this would turn into more than what it was?
When 1992 started, the band was in shambles. Stevie and Rick had already quit the band, and Christine was off the road. I thought it was over, but I wasn't too upset. With a new Zoo album (that featured a Bramlett), a John solo record, and the long awaited first post-Fleetwood Mac album from Lindsey, things were looking up. Lindsey's album was brilliant, but sterile. John's album had a few great pop gems, but was somewhat bland at times, though Billy's contributions were amazing. The Zoo were too bar band metal for my tastes, but there was potential. I got to see the Zoo at a bar here in town, and actually got to sing with Bekka for a sec. I thought Bekka was an amazing performer. I thought that the Zoo would be an acceptable substitute for Fleetwood Mac if the latter was no longer around. It was at this show that Mick got me hip to Dave Mason. (I kid you not, the next day I put on "Alone Together" and thought this guy needed to be in Fleetwood Mac.)

When Clinton used "Don't Stop," I thought there was a chance there would be a new Fleetwood Mac. I didn't see Stevie or Lindsey coming back. Mick, John, Burnette, Bekka, and maybe Thorpe, Lola, Mick Taylor, or even Dave Mason. When the box set came out, I remember not really wanting it. A friend said that there were a few unreleased game changers on it, so I had to get it. Good call. It seemed as if anything was possible for the band.

I thought the Inauguration performance was horrid. Stevie looked and sounded bad. Lindsey playing through a Marshall seemed goofy. Having EVERYBODY up on stage, including Jacko being front and center, killed their rock cred (which had already taken a beating with "Alternative" rock). It hurt all of them for a few years. I was also pissed that Billy Burnette, who was still a member of the band, was not allowed to play. Yeah, I know he wasn't in the "Rumours" band, but he was still in the band at that moment.

I was glad that Stevie was out of the band. I thought her look and performances were hurting the band. It was getting in the way at that point. I was happy when they announced that she wouldn't be playing the Super Bowl pre-show. I was hoping the band would just announce that Bekka Bramlett was the new singer (since it was obvious she was going to be the new girl).

I was shocked to see Rick Vito at the Super Bowl pre-show. He had quit the band. Since this was just a one-off, I thought it was cool that he got a swansong. I really wish he hadn't quit the band, but I understand how frustrating it had to be dealing with band/label politics, and having the best material left off the record.

A few weeks later, I remember being sad to learn that Billy Burnette quit the band. I thought he was a good fit with Mick, John, and Christine, and had hoped to hear more from him.

I saw Lindsey with an army of guitarists in July, and it was awesome. You could tell he was enjoying not having to deal with band politics, but was frustrated that he couldn't shake the "ex-Fleetwood Mac" tag.

Billy's country solo album was a pleasant surprise. With a few tweaks, there were some gems that would've sounded great with Fleetwood Mac. He's another one they let get away too easily.

I remember reading in Rolling Stone that Bekka had officially replaced Stevie. A few weeks later, I found out that Dave Mason had also joined. I really couldn't wait to hear what they would come up with.

MacShadowsBall

12-09-2011, 11:29 PM

I was also pissed that Billy Burnette, who was still a member of the band, was not allowed to play. Yeah, I know he wasn't in the "Rumours" band, but he was still in the band at that moment.

I completely agree. That's part of the problem when a band's "original" lineup get back together, the ones that joined later on are sent away.

I was glad that Stevie was out of the band. I thought her look and performances were hurting the band. It was getting in the way at that point. I was happy when they announced that she wouldn't be playing the Super Bowl pre-show. I was hoping the band would just announce that Bekka Bramlett was the new singer (since it was obvious she was going to be the new girl).

Interesting. Coming from the perspective of having a healthy Fleetwood Mac, I can understand your opinion. Though too I can imagine a lot of Stevie's fans would have liked to seen her. :shrug:

Excellent point made about everybody joining them on stage and the whole rock cred thing!

aleuzzi

12-10-2011, 12:06 PM

Stevie was the only one who really looked bad at the Inauguration performance. Everyone else looked and sounded pretty solid. But then, everyone else seeming pretty solid was often taken for granted. It was devastating to see their frontline attraction (aka: Stevie) so deteriorated at that point. She is not necessarily my favorite member of the group (I'm a HUGE Christine and Lindsey fan) but if you're going to drag out the Rumours lineup, she has to be in good form since she is such a visual focal point.

The vocal outro went on way toooooo long. I'd have preferred jam out--a bluesy Christine solo or a blistering Lindsey riff. Instead, they just sand "Don't you look back" 400 times.

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I remember the box set coming out and feeling deflated. To me it signaled the end of the band. But when I looked at the track list and saw a handful of new and unreleased songs, I bought it and loved it. It was then that I discovered Kirwan's "Trinity," which is such a great song! Why it never made it onto Bare Trees is a mystery. I also loved the two new Christine songs. She sounded fantastic. "Paper Doll" and "Make Me a Mask" were near-disasters, but by that point I was glad to have anything--anything.

MacShadowsBall

12-18-2011, 04:59 PM

I remember the box set coming out and feeling deflated. To me it signaled the end of the band. But when I looked at the track list and saw a handful of new and unreleased songs, I bought it and loved it. It was then that I discovered Kirwan's "Trinity," which is such a great song! Why it never made it onto Bare Trees is a mystery. I also loved the two new Christine songs. She sounded fantastic. "Paper Doll" and "Make Me a Mask" were near-disasters, but by that point I was glad to have anything--anything.

I think the box set idea was a good one, but it came just 4 years after the '88 GH album. The sequencing/song choices were a little strange. For example, all of Stevie's Tusk songs was on it, but her TITN songs are missing.

Definitely agree about Paper Doll and Make Me a Mask being near-disasters.

Perhaps this energy should have been put into another studio album instead of the box set? :shrug:

PenguinHead

12-24-2011, 01:41 AM

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The vocal outro went on way toooooo long. I'd have preferred jam out--a bluesy Christine solo or a blistering Lindsey riff. Instead, they just sand "Don't you look back" 400 times.

On the contrary, "Dont' you look back" was the line they omitted. They just kept repeating the chorus.

I agree that they should have finished the song as it is, and then do an extended jam -- that would have been the more proper thing to do. I don't think they thought that one out. It was really awkward, especially when Christine invited the Clinton family on stage, and Stevie gave Bill her tamborine. And then Michael Jackson jumped in, then the entire stage was flooded with people. Just a bizzare event!

Stevie didn't seem as bad as I remembered; perhaps I'm more forgiving now. She just looked a little bloated.

aleuzzi

12-24-2011, 03:07 PM

On the contrary, "Dont' you look back" was the line they omitted. They just kept repeating the chorus.

I agree that they should have finished the song as it is, and then do an extended jam -- that would have been the more proper thing to do. I don't think they thought that one out. It was really awkward, especially when Christine invited the Clinton family on stage, and Stevie gave Bill her tamborine. And then Michael Jackson jumped in, then the entire stage was flooded with people. Just a bizzare event!

Stevie didn't seem as bad as I remembered; perhaps I'm more forgiving now. She just looked a little bloated.

Oh, wow, you're right! How could I have forgotten that? I remembered it one specific way. Odd, the mind.

What stayed with me, however, is that there was no instrumental jamming, like they used to do--or that they did on the Dance.

We'll agree to disagree about Stevie's appearance there. I think she never looked worse.

jbrownsjr

12-29-2011, 12:43 AM

haha, LB started off key and shook himself into tune.. lol..

I've done that in recitals.. it's not a good feeling starting on the wrong note..

PenguinHead

12-30-2011, 02:06 AM

haha, LB started off key and shook himself into tune.. lol..

I've done that in recitals.. it's not a good feeling starting on the wrong note..

It's such a shame that the whole performance was so off, because they had the whole world watching it!

PenguinHead

12-30-2011, 02:18 AM

1992-1993

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In that quick clip that shows them in the dressing room (while Mick is talking about waiting to go on stage), you see Stevie sitting in a chair with someone tending to her hair. It appears that she's blowing a huge billow of smoke out of her mouth! Am I just seeing things, or did she just take a hit of pot?

aleuzzi

12-31-2011, 04:28 PM

In that quick clip that shows them in the dressing room (while Mick is talking about waiting to go on stage), you see Stevie sitting in a chair with someone tending to her hair. It appears that she's blowing a huge billow of smoke out of her mouth! Am I just seeing things, or did she just take a hit of pot?

At first I thought it was a blast of hairspray but indeed the smoke or whatever does appear to be coming out of her mouth.

ragrsrocalot

02-28-2012, 10:09 PM

Sorry that I don't know how to make this a little more focused, or how to fine tune the tracking or whatever. But I'll put it up anyway.

1993- Dont Stop Interview

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vivfox

02-29-2012, 06:05 AM

Sorry that I don't know how to make this a little more focused, or how to fine tune the tracking or whatever. But I'll put it up anyway.

1993- Dont Stop Interview

This is what we have SuperFleetwood for.:)

Thank you for this video. It was new to me. I thought it was funny when they said Stevie was fighting a cold and couldn't attend the press conference when more than likely she was zonked out on muscle relaxers. I also learned from this interview that the song Sara was on Rumours. Did you know that?

Sanne2

02-29-2012, 07:48 AM

So why was Stevie not in the Love Shines video?

ragrsrocalot

02-29-2012, 12:13 PM

This is what we have SuperFleetwood for.:)

Thank you for this video. It was new to me. I thought it was funny when they said Stevie was fighting a cold and couldn't attend the press conference when more than likely she was zonked out on muscle relaxers. I also learned from this interview that the song Sara was on Rumours. Did you know that?

Your welcome. No I didn't know that, I always thought Sara was from the Mirage album:lol:

SteveMacD

02-29-2012, 08:04 PM

So why was Stevie not in the Love Shines video?
I don't think Stevie's even on the song. It sounds to me like it was just Mick, John, Chris, and Billy. Anyway, THAT was Fleetwood Mac at that moment. I'm still disappointed those four didn't do an album just as a quartet. There was a definite chemistry there.

jbrownsjr

03-08-2012, 12:40 PM

PenguinHead

03-11-2012, 12:16 AM

I remember reading in Rolling Stone that Bekka had officially replaced Stevie.

I'm not sure that was the way they reported it. Bekka wasn't necessarily "replacing" Stevie. She was just a new band member. I know it's just semantics, but "replacing" sounds like "Oh, we have to get a new Stevie!" Billy and Rick did replace Lindsey because a guitar is an essential part of a band. A blonde girl singer isn't.

PenguinHead

03-11-2012, 12:33 AM

I don't think Stevie's even on the song. It sounds to me like it was just Mick, John, Chris, and Billy. Anyway, THAT was Fleetwood Mac at that moment. I'm still disappointed those four didn't do an album just as a quartet. There was a definite chemistry there.

I never thought of that, but you are so right! The possibilities of the four of them, with Christine and Billy fronting the band, could have been very interesting, even if that line-up survived only long enough to do one album. There certainly was a chemistry between them.

The closest example of that is the cover song "Roll With Me Henry" which I consider a Fleetwood Mac song, if not by official name. It's Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Christine McVie, Billy Burnette, and Rick Vito, with two session players. Officially named "Christine and Friends."

PenguinHead

03-11-2012, 12:36 AM

So why was Stevie not in the Love Shines video?

Aside from not having any involvement with the song, I believe she had already quit the band. She was busy, starting to work on her masterpiece Street Angel.