The "In Your Dreams" Survivor Thread - Round Six

[ahafan02]

Here is what you have voted out so far:

Round One: Cheaper Than Free
Round One: My Heart
Round Two: Soldier's Angel
Round Two: Everybody Loves You
Round Three: Ghosts Are Gone
Round Three: New Orleans
Round Four: Secret Love
Round Four: Italian Summer
Round Five: In Your Dreams
Round Five: Wide Sargasso Sea


Onto Round six...

[markolas]

You May Be the One and For What it's Worth. I can't bring myself to choose between Moonlight and Annabel Lee.

[mikephxaz]

Annabelee should have been gone a loooonnnnnggggg time ago..because the song is sooooooo lllooooonngggggg.....it goes ooooooooonnnnnnnn and oooooonnnnnnn and ooooooonnnn and oooooonnnnn:shocked:

[Thrown_Down]

Who on earth is so damned keen on You May Be The One it's complete filler to me.

[MacFan92]

Getting rid of You May Be The One and Moonlight. Annabel Lee and For What It's Worth are my favorites on the album. And You May Be The One is rather unspectacular.

[mezzoforte]

Painful to see my beloved WSS go.

Annabel Lee was the easy choice for me, but YMBTO was painful. I just couldn't touch FWIW or Moolight, though.
God, this album is brilliant.

[markolas]

Yeah, I'm annoyed that WSS got voted off. But at least I won't be put in the position of having to vote for it.

Moonlight, Annabel Lee, & WSS are my favorite songs from this album.

[GoldDustWoman22]

Anabelle Lee and YMBTO...I really didn't want to vote any of them off. But especially YMBTO...this just keeps getting harder!!

[windbecame]

Annabelee should have been gone a loooonnnnnggggg time ago..because the song is sooooooo lllooooonngggggg.....it goes ooooooooonnnnnnnn and oooooonnnnnnn and ooooooonnnn and oooooonnnnn:shocked:

:lol: lol...i have been voting for it to go faithfully since round 2. i'm really sad that WSS is gone already... but , oh well, to each their own.

[michelej1]

Would be nice if she and Annabel Lee could just lay down really quick like without talking about it in repetition for three minutes straight.

Michele

[mikephxaz]

Would be nice if she and Annabel Lee could just lay down really quick like without talking about it in repetition for three minutes straight.

Michele

too funny...just lay down already!:blob1:

[BombaySapphire3]

YMBTO was easy FWIW wasn't but Moonlight and Annabel Lee are the centerpiece of this album and possibly her best segue on any album.

[darklinensuit]

IMO "Annabel Lee' has the worst vocal and blandest melody on the album. FWIW could have been pretty great but for that coarse/flat/GodsGardenesque quality to her voice on the chorus.
I am happy that "Moonlight" & YMBTO made it this far.

- Jake

[mitzo]

Still fervently voting to kill FWIW and AL. I just want to ask Stevie why, why why the hell....

[Thrown_Down]

YMBTO was easy FWIW wasn't but Moonlight and Annabel Lee are the centerpiece of this album and possibly her best segue on any album.

I completely agree.

[tabruns]

Would be nice if she and Annabel Lee could just lay down really quick like without talking about it in repetition for three minutes straight.

Michele

That coda is what makes the song so epic and special though. Without it, the song would be good but not as classic as it is.

[tabruns]

I completely agree.

Me too...."Moonlight" and "Annabel Lee" are of the same level of quality as Stevie's classic songs. The YMBTO fans are pretty fervent about keeping it going. It would have been my fourth vote off (after "My Heart", "Ghosts Are Gone" and "Soldier's Angel" in that order).

[bangdrum]

FWIW (and I liked it at first! Just sick. Of. It. Already.) and Annabel Lee.

YMBTO jumped out at me the first time I listened.

[KarmaContestant]

Annabel Lee and Moonlight to go.

[Christopher]

Ho Hum, I cast my votes for Annabel Lee & FWIW. And "For What Its Worth" I believe the 4 songs remaining deserve to be in the final four. :thumbsup:
If I were giving a casual fan an ad hoc preview of IYD, I would most definitely include these four tunes, along with New Orleans, In Your Dreams or Wide Sargasso Sea.

[jellyman10]

Well, that was torture. Went for FWIW and YMBTO, but I love them both. I just love the beautiful Annabel Lee and Moonlight a smidgen more......

Funny, looking back and remembering how horrified a lot of us were when we heard on the grapevine that Stevie had written a song inspired by Twilight, huh? :cool:

[bombaysaffires]

Moonlight.... incoherent remnant from the drug years. Be gone!

[michelej1]

That coda is what makes the song so epic and special though. Without it, the song would be good but not as classic as it is.

I don't think it's classic.

Although I think the overall execution is an improvement on the demo, I think it should have been edited a bit.

Michele

[mitzo]

IMO "Annabel Lee' has the worst vocal and blandest melody on the album. FWIW could have been pretty great but for that coarse/flat/GodsGardenesque quality to her voice on the chorus.
I am happy that "Moonlight" & YMBTO made it this far.

- Jake

Yup, Annabel Lee is a pretentious nonsensical effort at putting an irrelevant and inappropriate poem to very pedestrian music, while FWIW is basso profundo flat vocals over a sleepy, depressing, irritating arrangement.

Moonlight or YMBTW if we must. Sigh....

[jellyman10]

Yup, Annabel Lee is a pretentious nonsensical effort at putting an irrelevant and inappropriate poem to very pedestrian music, while FWIW is basso profundo flat vocals over a sleepy, depressing, irritating arrangement.

Moonlight or YMBTW if we must. Sigh....

I'm not sure I understand the first bit of that. Are you saying the music is too pedestrian for Poe's poem? Is that what makes the poem irrelevant? Or is the poem irrelevant in another way, to something else?

[BombaySapphire3]

Moonlight.... incoherent remnant from the drug years. Be gone!

A druggy past that includes Dreams,Gold Dust Woman .Silver Springs.Sisters of the Moon , Sara , Storms ,Gypsy and Edge of Seventeen...Think I'll take that songwriting era over the Klonopin middle or the clear eyed present.

[Artemis]

Moonlight and You May Be The One, I love all four songs, but For What It's Worth is my favourite from IYD, and Annabel Lee may just have the prettiest music from any Stevie Nicks track... ever.

[tabruns]

Just curious why does ahafan keep mis-spelling "Annabel Lee"?

[michelej1]

I'm not sure I understand the first bit of that. Are you saying the music is too pedestrian for Poe's poem? Is that what makes the poem irrelevant? Or is the poem irrelevant in another way, to something else?

Yes, I'm curious too.

irrelevant and inappropriate poem to very pedestrian music

I agree that the music is pedestran, but I'd hardly consider Poe's poem irrelevant. Inappropriate . . . well maybe in the necrophiliac sense. If it's about his wife/cousin the 13 year old that's creepy too. But what is tedious in a song means a lot to me in the poem.

In the poem the repetition not only stresses the depth of his feeling and agony, but his growing irrationality and madness. In that sense, it reminds me of The Bells -- another poem Stevie should not try to sing.

The actual poem carries a petulance and resentment that the song lacks and I think it captures that anger you get when a loved one is taken away. You feel a "too good for this cruel world" thing and start to wonder why someone you love was taken when less worthy people are roaming around leading meaningless lives in perfect health.

I think that's a phase of grief that they should talk about more. You go through denial and anger, but the anger has multi-folds. It can be made up of paranoia and resentment too. You're mad at the person who left, but you're also mad at the world that took them. The God (or angels) who spirited them away, but there's also a resentment, a jealousy towards those who still live. Poe's guy said that the angels were jealous of Annabel, but I think he was kind of jealous that the people who survive have lives and passions inferior to his own and they can still enjoy them.

I think the emotion the poem deals with is quite potent.

Michele

[mitzo]

I'm not sure I understand the first bit of that. Are you saying the music is too pedestrian for Poe's poem? Is that what makes the poem irrelevant? Or is the poem irrelevant in another way, to something else?

The poem was written long ago by a man about a girl, which makes it an irrelevant theme for a song by Stevie, who is a woman. To me it makes no sense. Why couldn't she have been inspired by the poem and adapt it to be more appropriate? The melody and arrangement of AL is pedestrian, to me, quite ordinary, and fails to compensate for the way offbase lyrics.

I simply cannot see where the love for this song comes from. I am baffled by both the song and the reaction to it.

Just opinion, is all.

[michelej1]

Why couldn't she have been inspired by the poem and adapt it to be more appropriate? The melody and arrangement of AL is pedestrian, to me, quite ordinary, and fails to compensate for the way offbase lyrics.



Well, I agree in a sense. I don't want her to adapt the poem and change gender or anything, but I think it's one of those things you can be deeply inspired by but not exactly want to hear with music. Just because the lines are sing-songy doesn't mean they should be sung.

I think you can take the spark of an idea and incorporate it, which is what Lindsey did with A Dream Within a Dream, but not all good poems make good lyrics -- and vice versa.

Michele

[windbecame]

I don't think it's classic.

Although I think the overall execution is an improvement on the demo, I think it should have been edited a bit.

Michele

:thumbsup:i totally agree with this!

[bombaysaffires]

A druggy past that includes Dreams,Gold Dust Woman .Silver Springs.Sisters of the Moon , Sara , Storms ,Gypsy and Edge of Seventeen...Think I'll take that songwriting era over the Klonopin middle or the clear eyed present.

Granted, the drugs were there throughout, but the songs you mention, especially the true classics like Dreams, Sisters, Sara, Storms were before the drugs really took over. And Stevie herself has said that Jimmy really disliked her using drugs and she tried hard to cut back while they were together (Edge of 17).....

[StevieNicksfann]

You May Be the One and For What it's Worth. I can't bring myself to choose between Moonlight and Annabel Lee.

I feel exactly the same

[Jondalar]

Still fervently voting to kill FWIW and AL. I just want to ask Stevie why, why why the hell....

me too, this is definitely an album, where the 2nd half is stronger than the first, which I actually love.

[WildHearted]

The poem was written long ago by a man about a girl, which makes it an irrelevant theme for a song by Stevie, who is a woman. To me it makes no sense. Why couldn't she have been inspired by the poem and adapt it to be more appropriate? The melody and arrangement of AL is pedestrian, to me, quite ordinary, and fails to compensate for the way offbase lyrics.

I simply cannot see where the love for this song comes from. I am baffled by both the song and the reaction to it.

Just opinion, is all.

I don't think it's irrelevant - I relate to a lot of poems/songs that are written from a man's perspective about a woman.. love is love. If she was inspired/touched by it, then how could it possibly be irrelevant to her? And it being from that perspective doesn't mean it is inappropriate.. she's just singing from someone elses point of view, or maybe her own, depending on who Annabel Lee is to her personally.

I'll belt out 'Yesterday' and keep the female pronouns in tact, because that's how it was written and who am I to change it? The meaning is still the same.

[jellyman10]

I don't think it's irrelevant - I relate to a lot of poems/songs that are written from a man's perspective about a woman.. love is love. If she was inspired/touched by it, then how could it possibly be irrelevant to her? And it being from that perspective doesn't mean it is inappropriate.. she's just singing from someone elses point of view, or maybe her own, depending on who Annabel Lee is to her personally.

Yup, I agree 100%. Love is love indeed.

[jellyman10]

The actual poem carries a petulance and resentment that the song lacks and I think it captures that anger you get when a loved one is taken away. You feel a "too good for this cruel world" thing and start to wonder why someone you love was taken when less worthy people are roaming around leading meaningless lives in perfect health.

Michele

This is interesting, and I'm wondering why that atmospheric disconnect didn't occur to me before. What you have in Stevie's track is a great pop hook applied to something altogether much more angry and twisted. I'm going to have to watch this doesn't spoil AL for me! :laugh:

I don't think it will, though. I think what I immediately connected with in the track was the coda, from the drum break, that kind of stomping 'I lie down' repetition. Maybe that's a hint of fierceness coming through? I don't know. I'm content to keep living with it and let it evolve.

Loz

[markolas]

I simply cannot see where the love for this song comes from. I am baffled by both the song and the reaction to it.

Just opinion, is all.

I'm just as baffled that anyone could not like it. Just like I'm baffled that anyone could not like Bella Donna. To me, it's the same as not liking water or sunshine.

[WildHearted]

The actual poem carries a petulance and resentment that the song lacks and I think it captures that anger you get when a loved one is taken away. You feel a "too good for this cruel world" thing and start to wonder why someone you love was taken when less worthy people are roaming around leading meaningless lives in perfect health.


Michele

That's why it reminds me of Gypsy. If you don't pay attention, it sounds just like a catchy, relatively happy little tune, nothing too serious or anything. But then you listen to the words carefully and you're like damn, this is kind of depressing..

[mitzo]

I'm just as baffled that anyone could not like it. Just like I'm baffled that anyone could not like Bella Donna. To me, it's the same as not liking water or sunshine.

It all comes down to taste and our perceptions of Stevie and her craft/art. To me, she is SOOO much better than a lot of what she ends up giving us.

[BombaySapphire3]

FWIW and Annabel Lee are now ahead of YMBTO.:shrug:How it's lasted so long is a mystery to me.

[ontheEdgeof17]

FWIW and Annabel Lee are now ahead of YMBTO.:shrug:How it's lasted so long is a mystery to me.

Because the song is.....magic.....



Keeps YMBTO alive!

[Phoenix]

I used to like you may be the one, but now I feel like it's being crammed down my throat:distress: it seems like its the emperor's new clothes syndrome. And I think that people are just obsessing over it because it is about her and freekin Buckingham. :rolleyes: if you connect personally to the LYRICS of this song then I get that But don't tell me that you don't like country music, And then are obsessed with the song, If that is the case you might try listening to some more country. ALSO Don't try to tell me that this is her greatest vocal ever, Because I've heard her use more voice inflection in interviews. She herself admits that she talksang this. That bothers me because I know that her voice is capable of so much more. The girls harmony is superb. Especially on the chorus I think the chorus is fantastic. I also love the line I used to love you so much, because she sings it like she means it. Dave's guitar in this is typical country, and nothing spectacular. And as much as I enjoy hearing her talk The verses are just her talking, and I think that's what gets. that for me and not in a good way.

[Sleepless-Child]

I used to like you may be the one, but now I feel like it's being crammed down my throat:distress: it seems like its the emperor's new clothes syndrome. And I think that people are just obsessing over it because it is about her and freekin Buckingham. :rolleyes: if you connect personally to the LYRICS of this song then I get that But don't tell me that you don't like country music, And then are obsessed with the song, If that is the case you might try listening to some more country. ALSO Don't try to tell me that this is her greatest vocal ever, Because I've heard her use more voice inflection in interviews. She herself admits that she talksang this. That bothers me because I know that her voice is capable of so much more. The girls harmony is superb. Especially on the chorus I think the chorus is fantastic. I also love the line I used to love you so much, because she sings it like she means it. Dave's guitar in this is typical country, and nothing spectacular. And as much as I enjoy hearing her talk The verses are just her talking, and I think that's what gets. that for me and not in a good way.

That's exactly the reason why i love this song so much. "I used to love you, see the light inside of you, i used to dream that you were an angel, and i was a starving child" are some of the best lyrics she wrote on this album. The "talking" verses are just there to underline the chorus' melody, and harmonies. I love it.
Those 4 songs are like the main reason why i love this album so much, so i'm not voting (and we all know that Moonlight is going to win anyway).

[tabruns]

FWIW and Annabel Lee are now ahead of YMBTO.:shrug:How it's lasted so long is a mystery to me.

Because rather than the somewhat casual attitude most people have in voting on this, for some reason the people pushing YMBTO have invested emotionally in it. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up coming down to Moonlight vs. YMBTO (which is baffling to me) with the YMBTO lovers suddenly finding all kinds of "faults" with Moonlight.

[tabruns]

I used to like you may be the one, but now I feel like it's being crammed down my throat:distress: it seems like its the emperor's new clothes syndrome. And I think that people are just obsessing over it because it is about her and freekin Buckingham. :rolleyes:

I have to say I'm starting to feel the same way. At first I thought it was kind of cute that some people were so passionate about it, but now it seems obsessive.

[ontheEdgeof17]

I have to say I'm starting to feel the same way. At first I thought it was kind of cute that some people were so passionate about it, but now it seems obsessive.

First off, this is The Ledge. Why take things so seriously? The ones complaining about this game seem more obsessed with it, than the ones just having fun with it.

[Sleepless-Child]

I have to say I'm starting to feel the same way. At first I thought it was kind of cute that some people were so passionate about it, but now it seems obsessive.

Guys, it's just a song! I, for example, can't really say why i love one song more than an other. Plus Moonlight is also about Buckingham.

[mezzoforte]

So, this just got interesting. Obsession! Sabotage!

[WildHearted]

Okay, I like YMBTO as much as anyone...

But it should not be in the next round, imo. If I had it my way the top 2 would be Annabel Lee and Moonlight but I would be perfectly content with FWIW and Moonlight as well. However, YMBTO.. no. As much as I love it.

[michelej1]

I used to like you may be the one, but now I feel like it's being crammed down my throat:distress: it seems like its the emperor's new clothes syndrome. And I think that people are just obsessing over it because it is about her and freekin Buckingham. :rolleyes:

I think that most of her songs are about the lovely Lindscrafter, including Moonlight, so I'm not sure why that would be a factor.

You know, the way this poll is constructed, I really don't think you can shove anything down anyone's throat. We used to do a poll on fmlegacy where you could rate a song in points and it did make me a little distressed when Matt or Chili would give songs very low points like even a 0, to insure that they couldn't win. But there's less room for such machinations here.

Michele

[windbecame]

So, this just got interesting. Obsession! Sabotage!

:laugh: lol... i think this is the best post i've ever read!!!:nod: you're officially my new favorite ledgie mezzoforte:xoxo:

[mezzoforte]

:laugh: lol... i think this is the best post i've ever read!!!:nod: you're officially my new favorite ledgie mezzoforte:xoxo:

Aw, shucks--thanks. You're now high on my list as well. (I'm extremely receptive to flattery;))

[windbecame]

Aw, shucks--thanks. You're now high on my list as well. (I'm extremely receptive to flattery;))

:xoxo: and you get EXTRA love for bein bummed that WSS was gone already too!!! i really hoped / thought it would make it this far... but alas...:distress::laugh:

[Phoenix]

So, this just got interesting. Obsession! Sabotage!

First, this is funny, second it is also true. This you may be the one OBSESSION is crazy! All manner of other tracks have been thrown under the bus for it , died in the line of duty to sacrifice themselves for you may be the one, atrocious crimes and inglorious atrocities against music have been committed all in the name of you may be the one! I mean I like the song as much as the next person, well unless of course the next person is completely obsessed. But y'all. Are actin like you may be the one HAS DIED FOR OUR SINS!:lol:

[Jondalar]

I used to like you may be the one, but now I feel like it's being crammed down my throat:distress: it seems like its the emperor's new clothes syndrome. And I think that people are just obsessing over it because it is about her and freekin Buckingham. :rolleyes: if you connect personally to the LYRICS of this song then I get that But don't tell me that you don't like country music, And then are obsessed with the song, If that is the case you might try listening to some more country. ALSO Don't try to tell me that this is her greatest vocal ever, Because I've heard her use more voice inflection in interviews. She herself admits that she talksang this. That bothers me because I know that her voice is capable of so much more. The girls harmony is superb. Especially on the chorus I think the chorus is fantastic. I also love the line I used to love you so much, because she sings it like she means it. Dave's guitar in this is typical country, and nothing spectacular. And as much as I enjoy hearing her talk The verses are just her talking, and I think that's what gets. that for me and not in a good way.

Are you kidding? If any song has been shoved down people's throats it's Annabelle Lee. The song didn't even appear as a song that could be kicked off until other songs were kicked off. It was saved. Moonlight was the song to save, since it's almost always considered the best song from this album.

Annabelle Lee is way tooo long and her voice is the moast goaty on it, although not terrible. It's not as sophisticated as You May Be the One and it doesn't have the great ending. You May Be the One is a GREAT song.

[BombaySapphire3]

Are you kidding? If any song has been shoved down people's throats it's Annabelle Lee. The song didn't even appear as a song that could be kicked off until other songs were kicked off. It was saved. Moonlight was the song to save, since it's almost always considered the best song from this album.

Annabelle Lee is way tooo long and her voice is the moast goaty on it, although not terrible. It's not as sophisticated as You May Be the One and it doesn't have the great ending. You May Be the One is a GREAT song.

Sorry but the 'starving child" line in particular kind of kills it for me ..maybe we can blame that one on Dave..."Annabel Lee" is one of Stevie's top 10 solo tracks ever IMO the production is top notch and the drums are the best on a Stevie song since Seven Wonders.

[WildHearted]

I don't rate songs based on sophistication. I don't even know how you would determine how sophisticated a song is.

Annabel Lee has an amazing track, the production is super, the music is wonderful, it has that amazing interlude, and it's melody/chord structure wise it's rather complex for something Stevie wrote herself.

[BombaySapphire3]

I don't rate songs based on sophistication. I don't even know how you would determine how sophisticated a song is.

Annabel Lee has an amazing track, the production is super, the music is wonderful, it has that amazing interlude, and it's melody/chord structure wise it's rather complex for something Stevie wrote herself.

Indeed..and it's also kind of interesting that in the great reviews this album recieved like Rolling Stone for example Annabel Lee was cited as a stand out track, many others mentioned FWIW ..not one single one even mentioned YMBTO yet the first two have more votes.Kind of an interesting phenomenon we have here.

[mikephxaz]

You guys realize this is a game, right? It's a group of people playing a game. It's not something to get worked up about....btw. Annabel Lee sucks!!! Jk :]

[jellyman10]

Are you kidding? If any song has been shoved down people's throats it's Annabelle Lee. The song didn't even appear as a song that could be kicked off until other songs were kicked off. It was saved. Moonlight was the song to save, since it's almost always considered the best song from this album.


Oi! I take exception to that! Deep and proper serious exception and everything and I'm really annoyed and, look, this is an actual frown you've made happen and it's not fair, so I hope you're happy because now I have to go and find that other thread about Stevie's dogs or her chandelier just so I can go on living.

[tilthefirefades]

Just wanted to say...she didn't even write most of Annabel Lee :p


YMBTO ftw

[jellyman10]

Just wanted to say...she didn't even write most of Annabel Lee :p


YMBTO ftw

Poe co-wrote AL. Dave Stewart co-wrote YMBTO. But I love them both. Happy as a pig in poo, me, whatever wins this now that IS can't. :blob1:

[TrueFaith77]

Team YMBTO are master strategizers. Should be interesting to see it up against the Moonlight juggernaut. I actually don't know which one I would choose (they're my 3rd and 4th fave songs on the album).

[mitzo]

I for one am dcelirious to see FWIW on the skids here.:blob2::laugh::wavey::woohoo::thumbsup:

[Jondalar]

Team YMBTO are master strategizers. Should be interesting to see it up against the Moonlight juggernaut. I actually don't know which one I would choose (they're my 3rd and 4th fave songs on the album).

It's a no-brainer that Moonlight is going to win.

[WildHearted]

Annabel Lee is very unique in that it just might be the only song that Stevie has written the music for, but not the words ( for the most part).

YMBTO's " sophistication" has nothing to do with Stevie and everything to do with Dave Stewart.

I love YMBTO but I love Annabel Lee more.

[Jondalar]

Annabel Lee is very unique in that it just might be the only song that Stevie has written the music for, but not the words ( for the most part).

YMBTO's " sophistication" has nothing to do with Stevie and everything to do with Dave Stewart.

I love YMBTO but I love Annabel Lee more.

Well the best part of Annabelle Lee, the bridge, has nothing to do with Stevie and everything to do with Waddy. And this round should be over by now. Are people waiting for a last minute Annabelle Lee save? 911 views, compared to 600 for the last round. Are you kidding?

[Jondalar]

Indeed..and it's also kind of interesting that in the great reviews this album recieved like Rolling Stone for example Annabel Lee was cited as a stand out track, many others mentioned FWIW ..not one single one even mentioned YMBTO yet the first two have more votes.Kind of an interesting phenomenon we have here.

Well, no it's Rolling Stone reviews are not quite amazing. Remember, Rumours. They didn't like Dreams.

[Christopher]

I don't rate songs based on sophistication. I don't even know how you would determine how sophisticated a song is.

Annabel Lee has an amazing track, the production is super, the music is wonderful, it has that amazing interlude, and it's melody/chord structure wise it's rather complex for something Stevie wrote herself.

Not really. It's very similar to "Gypsy" composed to the chords of C, Bb, F & G, with Dm added for flair during the interlude. For me, I instantly connected the dots to Gypsy, even when I just heard it in demo form, thats why this song sounds very vintage FM/SN. And actually, Gypsy is a little more complex because it utilizes some F & B major 7th's & F major 6th chords :shrug: but I digress......

[Christopher]

Just wanted to say...she didn't even write most of Annabel Lee :p


YMBTO ftw

Not True. Stevie wrote at least 50% of the song when you consider she composed the melody and the songs whole chord structure. Waddy just added little interlude Dm A Dm C Bb etc....EAP the lyrics obviously.

[Jondalar]

Not True. Stevie wrote at least 50% of the song when you consider she composed the melody and the songs whole chord structure. Waddy just added little interlude Dm A Dm C Bb etc....EAP the lyrics obviously.

yeah, the interlude is the best part of the song and takes the song in a different direction.

P.S. I'm getting real tired of these polls. I'm talking crap about songs, but the truth is there is not really a bad song on the album.

[Phoenix]

Not really. It's very similar to "Gypsy" composed to the chords of C, Bb, F & G, with Dm added for flair during the interlude. For me, I instantly connected the dots to Gypsy, even when I just heard it in demo form, thats why this song sounds very vintage FM/SN. And actually, Gypsy is a little more complex because it utilizes some F & B major 7th's & F major 6th chords :shrug: but I digress......

This song reminds me of gypsy as well, I also picked up on the similar chord structure early on, especially the chorus

[Phoenix]

yeah, the interlude is the best part of the song and takes the song in a different direction.

P.S. I'm getting real tired of these polls. I'm talking crap about songs, but the truth is there is not really a bad song on the album.
,
I totally agree with your PS. This album is so fantastic it really does have a little something for everyone, I think that's why this poll has been different than any of the other album polls, usually universally the stinkers and clunkers are quite obvious, this album just truly is amazing.

[jellyman10]

^^^ YES! So we can rejoice, whatever 'wins', no? :]

[SapphireSister]

I'm just thrilled AL has done so well being that it's my favorite on the album.

[Jondalar]

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I totally agree with your PS. This album is so fantastic it really does have a little something for everyone, I think that's why this poll has been different than any of the other album polls, usually universally the stinkers and clunkers are quite obvious, this album just truly is amazing.

yeah, its also been very suspicious

[BombaySapphire3]

yeah, its also been very suspicious

I concur it is suspicious that YMBTO is still here.:laugh:

[Christopher]

I concur it is suspicious that YMBTO is still here.:laugh:

PuLEEZE! This song so deserves to be here you conspiracy theorists!:p

YMBTO is great classic songwriting Plain & Simple! I've always contended that it has an Eagles air to it in the melody, esp the chorus, with those big sweeping D, C major chords.

My love for this song has nothing to do with it (allegedly) being about Lindsey, nor has it been crammed down mine or anyone's throats :shocked: as Phoenix declared! How could it? It's buried at the end of the record (3rd to last song), Stevie has barely talked about it in great detail during interviews (outside of mentions of it being Dave & her 1st collaboration in the same room), Stevie has not performed it live or included it on her current tour, nor has it been brought up as a standout in any critical reviews.:cool: Fan's have deservedly connected to it all on their own. It was like finding a hidden treasure on the whole record:nod:. The lyrics resonate, they are universal, despite being about a certain somebody in Stevie's life. And finally, I completely disagree that the lyrics sound forced or sound sing-songy or sing-talky :rolleyes:. There...I feel much better....rant over.:laugh:

That all said...Moonlight is my favorite song on this record of sooo many favorite songs!

[Jondalar]

PuLEEZE! This song so deserves to be here you conspiracy theorists!:p

YMBTO is great classic songwriting Plain & Simple! I've always contended that it has an Eagles air to it in the melody, esp the chorus, with those big sweeping D, C major chords.

My love for this song has nothing to do with it (allegedly) being about Lindsey, nor has it been crammed down mine or anyone's throats :shocked: as Phoenix declared! How could it? It's buried at the end of the record (3rd to last song), Stevie has barely talked about it in great detail during interviews (outside of mentions of it being Dave & her 1st collaboration in the same room), Stevie has not performed it live or included it on her current tour, nor has it been brought up as a standout in any critical reviews.:cool: Fan's have deservedly connected to it all on their own. It was like finding a hidden treasure on the whole record:nod:. The lyrics resonate, they are universal, despite being about a certain somebody in Stevie's life. And finally, I completely disagree that the lyrics sound forced or sound sing-songy or sing-talky :rolleyes:. There...I feel much better....rant over.:laugh:

That all said...Moonlight is my favorite song on this record of sooo many favorite songs!

It is a classic, deep track that she should proud to have any of hers or Fleetwood Mac's albums.

[jellyman10]

I've always contended that it has an Eagles air to it in the melody, esp the chorus, with those big sweeping D, C major chords.



Yes, I agree. Puts me in mind of 'Please Come Home For Christmas'. I like it hugely, and I think Loretta and Sharona sound terrific on it.

[KarmaContestant]

PuLEEZE! This song so deserves to be here you conspiracy theorists!:p

YMBTO is great classic songwriting Plain & Simple! I've always contended that it has an Eagles air to it in the melody, esp the chorus, with those big sweeping D, C major chords.

My love for this song has nothing to do with it (allegedly) being about Lindsey, nor has it been crammed down mine or anyone's throats :shocked: as Phoenix declared! How could it? It's buried at the end of the record (3rd to last song), Stevie has barely talked about it in great detail during interviews (outside of mentions of it being Dave & her 1st collaboration in the same room), Stevie has not performed it live or included it on her current tour, nor has it been brought up as a standout in any critical reviews.:cool: Fan's have deservedly connected to it all on their own. It was like finding a hidden treasure on the whole record:nod:. The lyrics resonate, they are universal, despite being about a certain somebody in Stevie's life. And finally, I completely disagree that the lyrics sound forced or sound sing-songy or sing-talky :rolleyes:. There...I feel much better....rant over.:laugh:



Yes! And yes again.

On the conspiracy subject: Stevie didn't even write Annabel Lee. It's just a poem she liked and set to music. If Taylor Swift or Miley Cyrus or god forbid Lady Gaga had done this and had a huge hit with Annabel Lee, there would be so much trash talking about how uninspired and stupid the whole thing was. It hardly deserves to be in the top 2 let alone the top 5, in my opinion. Is it a good, fun song? Yes, it most certainly is. Is it as good as Moonlight, For What It's Worth or You May Be The One? No way. And finally, it's an utter and total travesty that For What It's Worth had to be sacrificed to (maybe) save You May Be The One. Give me Stevie's lyrics any day over someone else's words.

:woohoo:

[Phoenix]

PuLEEZE! This song so deserves to be here you conspiracy theorists!:p

YMBTO is great classic songwriting Plain & Simple! I've always contended that it has an Eagles air to it in the melody, esp the chorus, with those big sweeping D, C major chords.

My love for this song has nothing to do with it (allegedly) being about Lindsey, nor has it been crammed down mine or anyone's throats :shocked: as Phoenix declared! How could it? It's buried at the end of the record (3rd to last song), Stevie has barely talked about it in great detail during interviews (outside of mentions of it being Dave & her 1st collaboration in the same room),
Stevie has not performed it live or included it on her current tour, nor has it been brought up as a standout in any critical reviews.:cool: Fan's have deservedly connected to it all on their own. It was like finding a hidden treasure on the whole record:nod:. The lyrics resonate, they are universal, despite being about a certain somebody in Stevie's life. And finally, I completely disagree that the lyrics sound forced or sound sing-songy or sing-talky :rolleyes:. There...I feel much better....rant over.:laugh:

That all said...Moonlight is my favorite song on this record of sooo many favorite songs!

I never said anything about having it being forced down anyone elses throat but my own I did not say you SPECIFICALLY . I also said that if you connect with the lyrics personally I get that. But thanks for giving me no credit. Are usually agree with most of your posts anyway so I don't know what your problem is were usually on the same team. And I'd have been on the Very Crowded you may be the 1 super bandwagon, had curtis actually delivered his promise of kiss and over sweater action haha but as usual...nothing. but good god as long as moonlight with this s*** I don't really care what comes in second place. Except for it probably should've been for what its worth or annabel lee. In my humble opinion see how I stated in my opinion and not opinion of fact?




Wow holy boldprintedmyscreenname Batman. :shocked:

[Christopher]

I never said anything about having it being forced down anyone elses throa,t but my own I did not say you SPECIFICALLY .

Wow holy boldprintedmyscreenname Batman. :shocked:
Ok, my bad, you did specifically say it's being crammed down YOUR throat:eek: But its ire enough to suggest that people are "just obsessing over it because it is about her and freekin Buckingham" (That criminal talk around these parts;)) Or that " the verses are just her talking" with no inflection :shrug: The song is great! It's ok, if you do not care for it, or think it's overrated. But a lot of us think it's pretty special.:xoxo:

[ontheEdgeof17]

It was hailed as a pleasant lovely little song. Just not the greatest thing she has ever written the greatest vocal she has ever had the greatest vocal on the album or the greatest song on the album.

To me, it is the greatest thing she has ever written. It speaks volumes to me. I can relate to every.single.word. It happened to me. I lived through it. I'm still living through it, and the pain and regret and sorrow and undying love will continue to be with me everytime I play this song.

[BombaySapphire3]

Yes! And yes again.

If Taylor Swift or Miley Cyrus or god forbid Lady Gaga had done this and had a huge hit with Annabel Lee, there would be so much trash talking about how uninspired and stupid the whole thing was.:

Because in any of their hands it most likely would be all of those things .In a post before IYD was released I stated that the only female perfromers I could see doing Annabel Lee justice were Stevie and Kate Bush..I'm a late comer to Florence Welch but she might be able to pull it off as well..very talented girl.

[Phoenix]

Ok, my bad, you did specifically say it's being crammed down YOUR throat:eek: But its ire enough to suggest that people are "just obsessing over it because it is about her and freekin Buckingham" (That criminal talk around these parts;)) Or that " the verses are just her talking" with no inflection :shrug: The song is great! It's ok, if you do not care for it, or think it's overrated. But a lot of us think it's pretty special.:xoxo:

I used to like it. that's the problem this poll has ruined the song for me and
SOME people DO like it for that reason alone though, shipper! Shipper! Shipper! And all that and whatever all that is about. All I wanted to say is th. at I did like the song, Until it kept surviving every single round, And how we had to all hear about how wonderful it is. That's when I started to not like the song.
I used to love it,
See a light inside it,
I had a dream that,
It was hailed as a pleasant lovely little song. Just not the greatest thing she has ever written the greatest vocal she has ever had the greatest vocal on the album or the greatest song on the album.

[Phoenix]

To me, it is the greatest thing she has ever written. It speaks volumes to me. I can relate to every.single.word. It happened to me. I lived through it. I'm still living through it, and the pain and regret and sorrow and undying love will continue to be with me everytime I play this song.

Well. THAT. is pretty much exactly How I feel about 4 what its worth.
On edit: even though I completely connect with for what its worth, I don't think it's her greatest song ever, not even on a personal level.

[Christopher]

I used to like it. that's the problem this poll has ruined the song for me and
SOME people DO like it for that reason alone though, shipper! Shipper! Shipper! And all that and whatever all that is about. All I wanted to say is th. at I did like the song, Until it kept surviving every single round, And how we had to all hear about how wonderful it is. That's when I started to not like the song.
I used to love it,
See a light inside it,
I had a dream that,
It was hailed as a pleasant lovely little song. Just not the greatest thing she has ever written the greatest vocal she has ever had the greatest vocal on the album or the greatest song on the album.

I guess I understand a little:angel:. You happen to not believe YMBTO deserves to be in the final four...or final six...or etc etc. It's all subjective and in good fun.:)
FWIW I am not a shipper skipper :shrug: just running to the defense of one of my favorite songs from Stevie in a long long time.

[michelej1]

I used to like it. that's the problem this poll has ruined the song for me and
SOME people DO like it for that reason alone though, shipper! Shipper! Shipper!

Why would shippers like the song for romantic reasons? In it she is saying, "You'll never be the one for me, you low life liar. Dry your crocodile tears, take your fake apologies and leave."

That's not something that makes me go, "Oooooh, Stevie and Lindsey forevah!"

If shipper hearts were voting, I'd say that Italian Summer would be in the lead, because it is dreamy and loving and, yes, I do think it's about Lindsey and his guitar. Everybody Loves You is about Lindsey, according to Stevie. I don't see that in the lead.

I can understand that the song you like is losing, but I don't understand casting aspersions on people's motivation for liking other songs.

Michele

[Phoenix]

I guess I understand a little:angel:. You happen to not believe YMBTO deserves to be in the final four...or final six...or etc etc. It's all subjective and in good fun.:)
FWIW I am not a shipper skipper :shrug: just running to the defense of one of my favorite songs from Stevie in a long long time.


Thanku:xoxo:
And for what its worth, I totally do you believe it deserves to be in the top 4
... Just AS number 4:lol:

[Phoenix]

[QUOTE=michelej1;1016683]Why would shippers like the song for romantic reasons? In it she is saying, "You'll never be the one for me, you low life liar. Dry your crocodile tears, take your fake apologies and leave."

That's not something that makes me go, "Oooooh, Stevie and Lindsey forevah!"

If shipper hearts were voting, I'd say that Italian Summer would be in the lead, because it is dreamy and loving and, yes, I do think it's about Lindsey and his guitar. Everybody Loves You is about Lindsey, according to Stevie. I don't see that in the lead.

I can understand that the song you like is losing, but I don't understand casting aspersions on people's motivation for liking other songs.
Michele[/QUOTE


Once again it's perfectly okay for other people to like another song I'm just sick of hearing about that 1 personally that is all

[Christopher]

Why would shippers like the song for romantic reasons? In it she is saying, "You'll never be the one for me, you low life liar. Dry your crocodile tears, take your fake apologies and leave."

That's not something that makes me go, "Oooooh, Stevie and Lindsey forevah!"

If shipper hearts were voting, I'd say that Italian Summer would be in the lead, because it is dreamy and loving and, yes, I do think it's about Lindsey and his guitar. Everybody Loves You is about Lindsey, according to Stevie. I don't see that in the lead.

I can understand that the song you like is losing, but I don't understand casting aspersions on people's motivation for liking other songs.

Michele

Yes! YMBTO is straight up in the pantheon of F**k you, Kiss my a$$ songs from Stevie's volcano such as "Long Way To Go", "Freedom", "Planets Of The Universe" (before she softened it a wee bit) & "Smile At You" pretty much.

[Phoenix]

Yes! YMBTO is straight up in the pantheon of F**k you, Kiss my a$$ songs from Stevie's volcano such as "Long Way To Go", "Freedom", "Planets Of The Universe" (before she softened it a wee bit) & "Smile At You" pretty much.

Wait wait, so this is a kiss off song? I thought this was a lovers lament song? ( Nobody freak out or throw stones, I'm asking)

[michelej1]

I can understand that the song you like is losing, but I don't understand casting aspersions on people's motivation for liking other songs.
Michele[/QUOTE


Once again it's perfectly okay for other people to like another song I'm just sick of hearing about that 1 personally that is all

Yes, I know you're sick of it. I just didn't understand your SHIPPER. SHIPPER, SHIPPER conclusion.

This song has little positive to say about the relationship in question and many other songs that do are not winning out over FWIW, so your rationale for people keeping this song in the running out of blind love for SnL, just didn't seem logical. Maybe if you'd said that about Blue Denim I could understand it.

Michele

[WildHearted]

Wait wait, so this is a kiss off song? I thought this was a lovers lament song? ( Nobody freak out or throw stones, I'm asking)

I think it's kind of both.

I think she's lamenting the fact that 'the one' for her can never actively BE the one for her.. but also kind of saying, screw you, you two faced bitch, I can't believe what you're saying, how could you do this to me, I used to love you so much.

[michelej1]

Yeah, and "Oh you're such a righteous hypocrite."

Michele

[WildHearted]

Yeah, and "Oh you're such a righteous hypocrite."

Michele

Yes, that too. :lol:

[jellyman10]

I think YMBTO is saying, 'We could have been so happy, if only we were different people, and by "we" I specifically mean you, Lindsey.'

[ontheEdgeof17]

How anti-climatic this turned out to be.

[jellyman10]

^^^ OK, sorry if I'm being thick, but is this poll finished? I thought the last two would go head-to-head to find the overall winner? Also, AL and YMBTO ended up tied on 40, so do we not vote again to separate them? :confused:

[TrueFaith77]

so... it's a tie?

[Christopher]

this. is. serious. ly not cool. could've had a death match between AL & YMBTO to break the tie, then continue until there was a true victor:rolleyes: I somberly pledge not to squander more time with these frivilous polls eva again :nod: :laugh: (mad hatter laugh)

[michelej1]

so... it's a tie?

No. Moonlight won.

Michele

[WildHearted]

Okay..

so..

then why didn't we just do one poll, where everyone voted for their favorite track, and then have been done with it?

If that's how we're determining the winner in this poll, then why didn't we just do that from the beginning. It's like changing the rules at the end of the game.

[jellyman10]

It honestly doesn't matter a jot, but I thought it would come down to a head-to-head between the last two tracks. And that there would have to be tie-breaker to separate AL and YMBTO. I can't work out how, but might it have influenced voting if we'd all known it would end at this point?

I am fully aware that the more I type, the more it looks like I really care. Going to stop now. But I still do wish I'd understood the rules. :)

[michelej1]

Um well. I admit not understanding the rules, because I wasn't paying attention. But wasn't there some clue in the other polls we did that this is the way it ends? I mean, didn't that happen with the other albums too?

Michele

[KarmaContestant]

It's really quite clear. There were four songs - the two songs with the most votes were to be eliminated - one got 43, and two got 40 each, resulting in a tie. Thus all three were eliminated leaving only one track left.

I suppose we could have only eliminated For What It's Worth only, and put You May Be The One and Annabel Lee up for a tie-breaker round, but what's the point really in delaying the results for several days only to come to the same result? In the end, the winner was going to be Moonlight. We all know it. There is no way that either of those songs were going to come out on top of Moonlight.

[WildHearted]

It's really quite clear. There were four songs - the two songs with the most votes were to be eliminated - one got 43, and two got 40 each, resulting in a tie. Thus all three were eliminated leaving only one track left.

I suppose we could have only eliminated For What It's Worth only, and put You May Be The One and Annabel Lee up for a tie-breaker round, but what's the point really in delaying the results for several days only to come to the same result? In the end, the winner was going to be Moonlight. We all know it. There is no way that either of those songs were going to come out on top of Moonlight.

But with that kind of logic, we could have just done one poll, saying vote for your favorite.. and tallied them up according to how many votes they got, and ranked them that way? Right?


I thought the whole point of a 'survivor' thing was to see who would be the last one standing. 'Cause with this type of thing there's a lot of strategy and stuff to keep certain songs in as long as possible, which definitely influences how people vote..

Edit: I, too, should probably stop replying because it probably seems like I'm all up in arms about it. I don't really care haha I was just looking forward to an intense final round, to kind of complete the experience :lol:

[ahafan02]

Oh dear...one song got most of the votes while two others "tied"...making Moonlight the clear winner, no need to drag it out further. The rules are simple...vote two tracks out of the remaining tracks...whenever there is a tie both tracks are removed from the poll.

[KarmaContestant]

But with that kind of logic, we could have just done one poll, saying vote for your favorite.. and tallied them up according to how many votes they got, and ranked them that way? Right?


I thought the whole point of a 'survivor' thing was to see who would be the last one standing. 'Cause with this type of thing there's a lot of strategy and stuff to keep certain songs in as long as possible, which definitely influences how people vote..


To your first question: Yes, absolutely. In the end the results would likely be the same, with the odd exception every few years. In the years I've been posting on this or other boards, the same songs almost always win these games. It's predictable from the first round. Wild Heart wins Wild Heart; No Spoken Word or I Can't Wait wins RAL, Bella Donna or Edge wins Bella Donna; Blue Denim always wins Street Angel. TISL wins the TISL survivor. This year, I think How Still My Love won for Bella Donna which is just weird - tantamount to the U.S. electing a non-white self-professed-atheist lesbian President. It's that odd, in my opinion.

In the end, strategy is usually pointless. I believe that none (or very very few) of the folks who fought to keep You May Be The One - myself included - were going to pick it to win over Moonlight, because Moonlight is like Dreams or Silver Springs or Sara - it's an instant classic in the grand tradition of Stevie songs.

I'd love to be wrong, but I don't think I am. :xoxo:

[tabruns]

What this really is about is that YMBTO fans wanted a chance to try to take it all the way to the win. I don't think this is about anyone caring that "Annabel Lee" or "For What It's Worth" might have got 'robbed'. (I don't think YMBTO got robbed either, just pointing out that there's a group of exceptionally passionate people about that song). All that being said, I don't really see the point of dragging it out either, so YAY "Moonlight"!:blob2:

[michelej1]

To your first question: Yes, absolutely. In the end the results would likely be the same, with the odd exception every few years. In the years I've been posting on this or other boards, the same songs almost always win these games. It's predictable from the first round. Wild Heart wins Wild Heart; No Spoken Word or I Can't Wait wins RAL, Bella Donna or Edge wins Bella Donna; Blue Denim always wins Street Angel. TISL wins the TISL survivor. This year, I think How Still My Love won for Bella Donna which is just weird - tantamount to the U.S. electing a non-white self-professed-atheist lesbian President. It's that odd, in my opinion.



Would How Still My Love be that much of an upset? Maybe the Highwayman or After the Glitter Fades, but surely How Still My Love is just a Christian, lesbian President.

Michele

[tabruns]

Oh dear...one song got most of the votes while two others "tied"...making Moonlight the clear winner, no need to drag it out further. The rules are simple...vote two tracks out of the remaining tracks...whenever there is a tie both tracks are removed from the poll.

Yeah I think we've seen ties removed before haven't we?

[KarmaContestant]

Would How Still My Love be that much of an upset? Maybe the Highwayman or After the Glitter Fades, but surely How Still My Love is just a Christian, lesbian President.

Michele

:laugh: :xoxo: