Mirage To Finally Be REMASTERED In 2011

[mike_nh]

I just happen to run across this on wikipedia. does anyone know anything about this???

A new Remastered & Expanded version of Mirage is due for release in mid-2011 by Rhino/Warner Music Group. CD 1 will be the original album remastered and CD 2 will feature bonus material taken from the Mirage era, such as B-sides and outtakes. A track listing for this release has not yet been announced

[mylittledemon]

News to me! :shocked: I hope Tango follow... :lol:

[Christopher]

I just happen to run across this on wikipedia. does anyone know anything about this???

A new Remastered & Expanded version of Mirage is due for release in mid-2011 by Rhino/Warner Music Group. CD 1 will be the original album remastered and CD 2 will feature bonus material taken from the Mirage era, such as B-sides and outtakes. A track listing for this release has not yet been announced

Um, we're officially about 2 months beyond the mid-2011 point, and have yet to see any official press release or word from the FM camp regarding this. Wish it were true, but wikipedia is not by any means an official or reliable source. Mirage & Tango were supposably gonna be re-mastered next, after the white album, Rumours & Tusk, but Warners/Rhino & the band seemed to have lost incentive.:cool:

[jbrownsjr]

And Christine is gonna record 3 new tracks for it.... :D

....and if you believe that, everyone stand on their head.

[Neal]

Every single time this "news" pops up again I get excited... I guess I'll never learn. :distress:

[mylittledemon]

I don't know why Fleetwood Mac doesn't remaster their old videos like Gypsy and Big Love. They were huge hits and remastered, widescreen versions of those videos could bring back some play for them... then a remaster of Mirage and Tango would be more than warranted.

[MacShadowsBall]

I thought this sounded familiar so I checked back and found this thread from earlier this year. If this remastering isn't true, then it needs to be removed from the wiki article.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=45704

[mylittledemon]

Probably no truth to it. Technically anybody could've written that blurb.

[David]

I don't know why Fleetwood Mac doesn't remaster their old videos like Gypsy and Big Love.Because they have other fish to fry, I guess.

[Christopher]

I don't know why Fleetwood Mac doesn't remaster their old videos like Gypsy and Big Love. They were huge hits and remastered, widescreen versions of those videos could bring back some play for them... then a remaster of Mirage and Tango would be more than warranted.

I Agree, It's odd that Fleetwood Mac has never released any compilation of all their video's. Even Stevie put out 2 music video compilations (I Can't Wait: The Music Video Collection (VHS) (1986) & Crystal Visions Video DVD (2007).

A great time to have done this would have been with "The Chain" box set & coffee table book, or when "The Very Best of FM" was released in 2002:shrug: I suspect the novelty & demand of releasing such a collection has died off.:cool:

[chiliD]

I don't know why Fleetwood Mac doesn't remaster their old videos like Gypsy and Big Love. They were huge hits and remastered, widescreen versions of those videos could bring back some play for them... then a remaster of Mirage and Tango would be more than warranted.


Like it or not, they'll never touch them (despite their being "huge hits") because they're not songs from the Rumours album.

[chiliD]

I suspect the novelty & demand of releasing such a collection has died off.:cool:

Well, if anyone recalls, Warner Bros Special Products had announced that they were going to remaster/remix/add bonus tracks and re-release the ENTIRE Fleetwood Mac Warner/Reprise catalogue. We got Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, & Tusk...then the project was backburnered, then eventually canceled.

[markolas]

Would they actually make any more money on yet another Rumours re-issue than they would on a re-issue of Mirage or Tango in the Night?

I wish there was a way for a fan to just clean these tracks up himself (including the "unreleased" stuff) and we could just burn our own CDs if we wanted. Illegal, yes, but we'd buy it if they'd sell it to us legally.

Where's Ken Caillat?

[Ashley]

Wow, everytime I hear about this, a little piece of me gets excited. But I guess I'll believe it when/if it's official.

[caroline79]

That has been on the Wiki page for a while, I remember reading it many months ago. Sadly, I don't think it's true.

[Phoenixgypsy]

Oh I really really do wanna believe! I would love for a remastered Mirage! That was the first FM album I got!

[caroline79]

Oh I really really do wanna believe! I would love for a remastered Mirage! That was the first FM album I got!

I don't know why I don't own it yet :confused: lol! I am listening to it on YT right now, remembering all the songs that I had kind of forgotten about. Hopefully they will remaster it sometime in the future.

[Silver Springs]

It only took years to pump it out after the few other remasters we have. Now we just need the rest of the back catalogue. Well, Lindsey/Stevie era I guess.

[starshine]

This does need to be done & not another Rumours /we need the rest of the catalog as well as the offical videos/same for the Mirage DVD with extras. :thumbsup:

[Christopher]

Oh I really really do wanna believe! I would love for a remastered Mirage! That was the first FM album I got!

Yes, and besides, more than any recording in FM's catalog "Mirage" is the most in desperate need of a remaster. The sonics from the original transfer to digital are really compressed & dull. It begs for more dynamics and overall refreshing. "Mirage" is such a bright, clean and uncluttered record sonically that its unfortunate that never transferred to CD.

[BaronVonBielski]

If Fleetwood Mac releases a new studio album in the future that would provide the only chance for Mirage and Tango of being remastered. A new album would most undoubtedly bolster back catalogue sales as well prompting greedy Warner to do something. Much the same they did after Say You Will was released with FM and Rumours.

[Travisevian]

After hearing the demos/outtakes from Mirage, I'm so disappointed that If You Were My Love and Smile At You were not included. I believe they would have been more suitable than That's Alright. Had those songs been included, Mirage would have been a great album.

And Christine is gonna record 3 new tracks for it.... :D

In your dreams...

:p

[Villavic]

I don't know why Fleetwood Mac doesn't remaster their old videos like Gypsy and Big Love. They were huge hits and remastered, widescreen versions of those videos could bring back some play for them... then a remaster of Mirage and Tango would be more than warranted.

That's a cool idea, about the videos.

About the CDs.. I feel the moment for CDs has passed, from a commercial point of view. In these days when stores like Tower Records, Virgin, and others have dissapeared, and those who still survive look like ghost towns or choice to sell used CDs, maybe this is not a good idea. On the other hand, as a fan, I would be delighted. Specially because the Mirage CD sound sucks.

[jbrownsjr]

After hearing the demos/outtakes from Mirage, I'm so disappointed that If You Were My Love and Smile At You were not included. I believe they would have been more suitable than That's Alright. Had those songs been included, Mirage would have been a great album.



In your dreams...

:p

You got that right!!

[Matt Lucas]

After hearing the demos/outtakes from Mirage, I'm so disappointed that If You Were My Love and Smile At You were not included. I believe they would have been more suitable than That's Alright. Had those songs been included, Mirage would have been a great album.

So...not being familiar with FM bootlegs, where could a person find these songs? Are they available online? And what other outtakes or demos from the MIRAGE sessions are known?

Of course, should these rumors of a MIRAGE remaster with bonus tracks come true, I would gladly buy the official version.

I've always thought that MIRAGE was underrated. I was listening to "Hold Me" the other day, and it really is a fantastic pop song. The two-part harmony on the verses by Christine and Lindsey is sublime, and the chorus has a great Brian Wilson-inspired vocal arrangement [far from Christine's chorus on the demo I've heard on YouTube].

Thanks,
mattl

[SteveMacD]

So...not being familiar with FM bootlegs, where could a person find these songs? Are they available online? And what other outtakes or demos from the MIRAGE sessions are known?
I find stuff on Youtube all the time.

[Travisevian]

So...not being familiar with FM bootlegs, where could a person find these songs? Are they available online? And what other outtakes or demos from the MIRAGE sessions are known?

Matt, I believe some of them are on YouTube and there may be some available through the Buckingham Nicks website. The Seven Wonders message board has fans who share audio files but one must be a supporting member to do so. As for the other Mirage demos/outtakes that are known, I can't answer that question but there are probably websites from avid collectors who have detailed lists.

[Mac_Man_Dan]

im sure this link is allowed, i found this without needing a sign up, so i imagine its not a private wesbite

http://www.guitars101.com/forums/f90/fleetwood-mac-25-years-the-mirage-sessions-101500.html

the links appear to still be working too- so your in luck!

[michelej1]

Interview with Summer Camp's Jeremy Warmsley by Bowlegs Music
http://www.bowlegsmusic.com/2011/11/summer-camp-call-back/

Bowlegs: Which album has been a major influence in your life, and why?

Jeremy: Fleetwood Mac’s Mirage. We found this on 12″ in a charity shop. It’s not very well known for some reason, but it sounds amazing to us. As good as Rumours and loads better than Tango In The Night. There’s a song on it called Only Over You which is absolutely essential listening.

[Fiver]

Jeremy: Fleetwood Mac’s Mirage. We found this on 12″ in a charity shop. It’s not very well known for some reason, but it sounds amazing to us. As good as Rumours and loads better than Tango In The Night.

Absolutely agree with this. I might have to check these guys out.

[nodmod]

You can create a rather short Mirage and Tango remaster playlist from 2002's Very Best Of complilation. After doing a very brief sound comparison between the original CDs and the Very Best Of, the remastered tracks on the VBO sounds so much better remastered

Mirage
Love In Store
Gypsy
Hold Me

Tango In The Night
Little Lies
Seven Wonders
Everywhere
Family Man

Seems that the VBO remastering was carried out by Bill Inglot and Dan Hersch and surprise surprise these chaps also did the remasters of The White Album, Rumours and Tusk.

What are the odds that all the Rumours era albums were remastered back in 2002 for the Very Best Of including Tango and Mirage and are sitting in a storage cupboard somewhere gathering dust, probably next to the Tusk Tour Documentary and Mirage In Concert masters!

so annoying......

[PenguinHead]

I don't understand the thinking that factoring sales figures/potential should determine the viablity of remastering and releasing Fleetwood Mac albums.

It shouldn't be a question. Is anyone aware of the current trend of vintage groups who are mining their back cataglogs and releasing remasters with bonus discs? A lot of them are --Pink Floyd, REM, U2, Elvis Costello, Rolling Stones etc...the list goes on...and it's being done with fair cohesiveness and quality.

For fans it's a bonus to get the unreleased/bonus stuff. From a marketing standpoint, it's a brilliant tactic to resell a product to consumers who have essentially already bought the product in it's initial form.

Some really obscure stuff also gets re-released, in limited runs. The intent isn't necessarily for huge profits, but to serve a unique customer base.
Fleetwood Mac does not have a unique customer base -- they are a huge internationally established band, with a large, dynamic fanbase.

There is no good reason why their entire catalog (including the five-year era prior to Lindsey and Stevie) should not be treated with respect. Every album should get at least the treatment that Fleetwood Mac, Rumours and Tusk have gotten.

Significant chart success for older work is not a feasible expectation. Live, Mirage and Tango, without question, should be revisited, remastered and released. Disregard speculating on sales stats -- the intergrity of a legendary band's work, and the respect of their fans is what matters most.

[iamnotafraid]

Is anyone aware of the current trend of vintage groups who are mining their back cataglogs and releasing remasters with bonus discs? A lot of them are --Pink Floyd, REM, U2, Elvis Costello, Rolling Stones etc...the list goes on...and it's being done with fair cohesiveness and quality.

At the end (so to speak) of the CD age we are
getting some impressive releases. I have the
Pink Floyd DSOTM set, and I'm really
blown away by the sound quality. Same goes
for The Complete Elvis Presley Masters 30
CD box set. Over 35 hours of pristine sounding
music.

If they would remaster the whole Fleetwood
Mac back catalogue...

[PolishStevieFan]

If that's true, then it's a good news. Imagine "Can't Go Back" or "Love In Store" in all their remastered glory! I really like this album, even though it pales a bit when compared to groundbreaking "Tusk!" or mega-platinum, poppy "Tango In The Night". It always felt too short, so hearing that there will be bonus material makes me happy.

[Villavic]

If that's true, then it's a good news. Imagine "Can't Go Back" or "Love In Store" in all their remastered glory! I really like this album, even though it pales a bit when compared to groundbreaking "Tusk!" or mega-platinum, poppy "Tango In The Night". It always felt too short, so hearing that there will be bonus material makes me happy.

I agree, the old CD release sucks so I'm more than enthusiastic about a remastered. Plus the bonus materials...

but the year is endind and I've not found any official announcement.

And www.fleetwoodmac.com/news is the same since 2009.. :laugh::(:confused:

[HomerMcvie]

I don't understand the thinking that factoring sales figures/potential should determine the viablity of remastering and releasing Fleetwood Mac albums.

Some really obscure stuff also gets re-released, in limited runs. The intent isn't necessarily for huge profits, but to serve a unique customer base.
Fleetwood Mac does not have a unique customer base -- they are a huge internationally established band, with a large, dynamic fanbase.

Significant chart success for older work is not a feasible expectation. Live, Mirage and Tango, without question, should be revisited, remastered and released. Disregard speculating on sales stats -- the intergrity of a legendary band's work, and the respect of their fans is what matters most.
I would highly suspect, that a big reason, NOW, is that Chris had two of the big hits, on both Mirage and Tango, and....well....they can no longer play the Chris hits......If they can't perform Hold Me, Love In Store, Little Lies, and Everywhere, the re-releases can't be backed by any sort of tour support...

Much like the Bob Welch years, they're now pretending that FM's biggest hit maker, didn't exist. Good luck with that!!!:lol:

[jbrownsjr]

I would highly suspect, that a big reason, NOW, is that Chris had two of the big hits, on both Mirage and Tango, and....well....they can no longer play the Chris hits......If they can't perform Hold Me, Love In Store, Little Lies, and Everywhere, the re-releases can't be backed by any sort of tour support...

Much like the Bob Welch years, they're now pretending that FM's biggest hit maker, didn't exist. Good luck with that!!!:lol:

They pretended Bob Welch didn't exist either. Which is my fav period.

[PenguinHead]

I would highly suspect, that a big reason, NOW, is that Chris had two of the big hits, on both Mirage and Tango, and....well....they can no longer play the Chris hits......If they can't perform Hold Me, Love In Store, Little Lies, and Everywhere, the re-releases can't be backed by any sort of tour support...

Much like the Bob Welch years, they're now pretending that FM's biggest hit maker, didn't exist. Good luck with that!!!:lol:

Interesting perspective. But an album is a much different entity than a live show.

Stevie and Lindsey are pulling off shows without Christine, and moving on. in the tradition of all varied incarnations of Fleetwood Mac. How does releasing previous Fleetwood Mac records have any impact on that? Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, and Tusk were all re-released after Christine left. There were no tours to promote them. Generally, bands don't tour to promote the re-re-release of a previous work.

[SteveMacD]

in the tradition of all varied incarnations of Fleetwood Mac. How does releasing previous Fleetwood Mac records have any impact on that?
"Penguin" anybody??

[michelej1]

\
Stevie and Lindsey are pulling off shows without Christine, and moving on. in the tradition of all varied incarnations of Fleetwood Mac. How does releasing previous Fleetwood Mac records have any impact on that? Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, and Tusk were all re-released after Christine left. There were no tours to promote them. Generally, bands don't tour to promote the re-re-release of a previous work.

Except if that previous work is Rumours:lol:.

Michele

[GoldDustOrphan]

If they can't perform Hold Me, Love In Store, Little Lies, and Everywhere, the re-releases can't be backed by any sort of tour support...
And thank god they don't perform those songs because they never translated well to the stage. Hold Me and Little Lies owe much of their success as radio hits to layers of processed vocals and synthetically-produced harmonies. Attempts to recreate those songs live resulted in sonic murk, which is why they were absent from The Dance set list. Over-processing Christine McVie's voice is a crime against nature, in my book anyway.

[MikeInNV]

And thank god they don't perform those songs because they never translated well to the stage. Hold Me and Little Lies owe much of their success as radio hits to layers of processed vocals and synthetically-produced harmonies. Attempts to recreate those songs live resulted in sonic murk, which is why they were absent from The Dance set list. Over-processing Christine McVie's voice is a crime against nature, in my book anyway.

Yep. I will say that I prefer live versions of "Everywhere" to the studio recording, but "Hold Me" and "Little Lies"......studio only! :)

[mylittledemon]

So it looks like they were remastered by Rhino in 2011, they just haven't been released on CD.

http://www.hdtracks.com/mirage-215080

http://www.hdtracks.com/tango-in-the-night

[James Kirk]

So it looks like they were remastered by Rhino in 2011, they just haven't been released on CD.

http://www.hdtracks.com/mirage-215080

http://www.hdtracks.com/tango-in-the-night

Hi All,
Yes, I recently purchased Mirage and Tango in the Night (192kHz/24bit versions) from HDTracks and the difference from the original CD's (Especially Mirage) is astounding.

Very pleased with both, in fact I was so impressed that I went against my own self imposed rule and re-bought Rumours and Tusk (for like the 40th time :)) in HD as well, so much nicer then the remastered 2 CD sets, very organic natural sound.

I really recommend them over the existing CD versions. Very nice.

[KenB]

Hi All,
Yes, I recently purchased Mirage and Tango in the Night (192kHz/24bit versions) from HDTracks and the difference from the original CD's (Especially Mirage) is astounding.

Are these available as digital files only? And is this an official release (ie, did the band or Warner sanction them being made available for purchase)?

[James Kirk]

Are these available as digital files only? And is this an official release (ie, did the band or Warner sanction them being made available for purchase)?

Hi Ken,

Yes, to both, they are in available in the following digital formats:
AIFF
ALAC
FLAC
WAV

In both 192kHz/24bit and 96kHz/24bit sample rates

HDTracks is a legitimate reseller from the original studio's and fully sanctioned by Warner and any other company that is on the HDTracks site.

The only drawback is that there are regional restrictions on some of the releases with the majority of them being available only in the US however, myself, being in Canada I was able to work around that by using a proxy service.

[KenB]

Great. Thanks for the info!

[James Kirk]

Great. Thanks for the info!

My pleasure Ken, take care

[Macfanforever]

I hope they have a physical copy for us old school fans.I know this is the new trend but I refuse to pay out for digital files.

[James Kirk]

I hope they have a physical copy for us old school fans.I know this is the new trend but I refuse to pay out for digital files.

Hi Skip,

A situation I can relate, sympathize with and complete understand. As a child of the early 70’s I have many fond memories of spending hours listing to my records, looking at the wonderful artwork and liner notes. I love physical media and have started collecting my favorite’s albums on vinyl again. Lots of fun.

However, that being said, I find that the very unfortunate turn in the music industry over the past few years to brick-wall or heavily compress music on CD has rendered the music listing experience of one that I loved to one that is rather unpleasant and fatiguing.

So while I always prefer to own something that is tangible I had to weigh out my options of owning a physical release but not enjoying the sound quality, even to the point of discomfort or buying a digital release of my favorite music that is at an extremely high audiophile quality. By going the digital HD download route I find my love and passion for music has returned, and I actually look forward to new release day again.

In all honesty however, the lack of physical media in my collection sucks, (I also have to make sure that I back my system up regularly:)) but that is where I find myself in the music world today.
Take care Skip,

Christian

[Macfan4life]

I hope they have a physical copy for us old school fans.I know this is the new trend but I refuse to pay out for digital files.
Ha! I'm with you!

[James Kirk]

Now, I should add that not all HD Tracks are created equal. I don’t want it to come cross that EVERY HD digital download will sound better than the CD, this simply isn’t true.

Not having a lot of spare funds sitting about since becoming a father and buying my own house I make sure I do my due diligence and research titles that I am interested in. if I am going to drop $26+ on a download I want to make sure it is a reasonable increase in sound quality.

I find the Steve Hofferman music forums to be an invaluable source that has helped me in my decisions in the past.

The recent Tom Petty and Bruce Springsteen remasters on HD Tracks are quite honestly absolute revelations. They sound absolutely wonderful. The Rolling Stones releases can be quite nice as well but you do have to cherry pick a bit. But for every wonderful release there can be poor ones as well.

Now keep in mind I am only critiquing the sound/mastering quality, not the performance or song writing quality, that being said I do fine Miss Nicks recent 24 Karat Gold HD Tracks release to be lacking. Too similar to the CD and not enough of an open sound stage that one starts to expect with HD music, and rather muted.

Also please keep in mind that these are just my opinions, yours may vary as I do find this to be subjective, what I like you may not, and I certainly do not want to impugn or criticize Miss Nicks’ talent in any fashion, I am just talking about the sound quality of this in particular release in HD. To be fair to Miss Nicks there is a note on the HD Tracks site that the 24 Karat Gold HD release is basically a 44k recording up converted to 96/24, so they are not trying to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes.

That being said I do find that when I do listen to 24 Karat Gold my go to release has been the Vinyl version, I find that a nice listen.

In regards to Fleetwood Mac, I have found sonic improvements on almost all the HD releases, Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, Tusk, Mirage and Tango in the Night are all really nice, Say You Will I found to be rather brick walled and a tough listen, very similar to the CD. I prefer the DVD-Audio version as I get a kick out of the 5.1 surround sound.

I find that music sound quality should help you be pulled into the music, not repel you, which is what I find with a lot of the current mastering techniques, all in the hopes that “I want my music louder than anyone else’s” well yeah, it's loud, sure, but it doesn’t make me what to listen.

Anyway, sorry to ramble, I just wanted to make sure that if someone is going to dip their toe in to the HD music world they do a little bit of research before committing almost $30 and album.
Take care all.

Christian

[michelej1]

Amazing news. Can't believe it actually happened and we didn't know it was available.

Michele

[nicepace]

I almost always burn myself a copy when I download something digitally, so to me it just creates an annoying extra step when an album is not available in physical form. But maybe I'm old school. Oh, and I still listen to vinyl, although not very often any more.

[Macfanforever]

Hi Skip,

A situation I can relate, sympathize with and complete understand. As a child of the early 70’s I have many fond memories of spending hours listing to my records, looking at the wonderful artwork and liner notes. I love physical media and have started collecting my favorite’s albums on vinyl again. Lots of fun.

However, that being said, I find that the very unfortunate turn in the music industry over the past few years to brick-wall or heavily compress music on CD has rendered the music listing experience of one that I loved to one that is rather unpleasant and fatiguing.

So while I always prefer to own something that is tangible I had to weigh out my options of owning a physical release but not enjoying the sound quality, even to the point of discomfort or buying a digital release of my favorite music that is at an extremely high audiophile quality. By going the digital HD download route I find my love and passion for music has returned, and I actually look forward to new release day again.

In all honesty however, the lack of physical media in my collection sucks, (I also have to make sure that I back my system up regularly:)) but that is where I find myself in the music world today.
Take care Skip,

Christian

Hi Christian.I see where you coming from the same generation as me. The digital HD sounds great .I agree.Also I agree on backing those up.
On the other side of how great the internet and whats available of my favorite past time TV shows and movies and old music videos.I agree on lack of new CDs.I was so happy that vinyl is coming back and Stevie's 24K and CV released on vinyl.I just have to get used too of the new way on how music is delivered like I have and enjoyed with my TV shows and movies ,books and magazines in PDF. It saves room without having the clutter of boxes of physical VHS tapes,DVD's,books and magazines to kill my back moving them around.

I will accept the digital HD download route and not the crappy MP3's .

Thanks for the detailed info on this .


Ha! I'm with you!

I'm glad that you are in the same boat too.

[Macfanforever]

I almost always burn myself a copy when I download something digitally, so to me it just creates an annoying extra step when an album is not available in physical form. But maybe I'm old school. Oh, and I still listen to vinyl, although not very often any more.

Yea .I always could burn them.I miss the artwork with the vinyl.CD artwork is to small for me to see.

[James Kirk]

Hi Christian.I see where you coming from the same generation as me. The digital HD sounds great .I agree.Also I agree on backing those up.
On the other side of how great the internet and whats available of my favorite past time TV shows and movies and old music videos.I agree on lack of new CDs.I was so happy that vinyl is coming back and Stevie's 24K and CV released on vinyl.I just have to get used too of the new way on how music is delivered like I have and enjoyed with my TV shows and movies ,books and magazines in PDF. It saves room without having the clutter of boxes of physical VHS tapes,DVD's,books and magazines to kill my back moving them around.

I will accept the digital HD download route and not the crappy MP3's .

Thanks for the detailed info on this .




I'm glad that you are in the same boat too.


Hi Skip,

Thank you for replying. I appreciate it, I used to be a HUGE poster on The Ledge in the mid to late 90’s but then found quite unexpectedly that life got in the way, as Mr. Lennon said “life happens when you are making other plans” and I simply drifted away from The Ledge, and when I would check back every now and then I found it to be a place with a lot of confrontation and acrimony so I stayed away. But lately I have enjoyed the conversations, yours in particular, and decided that maybe I could wade back in without getting my head bitten off :)

In regards to the HD music, yes I think we are of a similar age and experience, and at the end of the day, it is just a delivery system, be it Vinyl, CD or HD Download. Hey if you feel it in your gut and you have a visceral response to the music, that is the important thing regardless to how you hear it.

And again, I totally agree with you that paying good money for MP3 is insanity but I think when it comes to HD, you have a group of people trying to get the best quality out there and that it might be worth it.
I’ll stop now as I don’t want to sound like a shill for the HD companies :) but I really enjoy it.

So today, after posting and reading the Ledge again, I had a great day, listened to Miss. Nicks 24 Karat Gold album on vinyl, listened to Mr. Springsteen’s The River album on HD, and various Fleetwood Mac songs on HD and had a wonderful time.

I realized today, I missed The Ledge and talking about music more than I thought!

Oh, and you are more then welcome with the HD information, if you or anyone else has any questions please feel free to ask.

Take care and I look forward to more conversations in the future.

Christian

[mylittledemon]

So while I always prefer to own something that is tangible I had to weigh out my options of owning a physical release but not enjoying the sound quality, even to the point of discomfort or buying a digital release of my favorite music that is at an extremely high audiophile quality. By going the digital HD download route I find my love and passion for music has returned, and I actually look forward to new release day again.


Same here. And Mirage and Tango sound superb.

[James Kirk]

Same here. And Mirage and Tango sound superb.

NICE! I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[mylittledemon]

NICE! I'm glad you enjoyed it!

Totally. I got a brand new pair of cherry JBLs (L830s) so I'm breaking them in with Rumours, Mirage, and Tango. ;)

[James Kirk]

Totally. I got a brand new pair of cherry JBLs (L830s) so I'm breaking them in with Rumours, Mirage, and Tango. ;)

SLICK!
Are they not wonderful? I couldn't believe the difference in Mirage!
Oh, and the Green Eyed Monster has been awoken in regards to your JBLs :)

Enjoy!

[mylittledemon]

SLICK!
Are they not wonderful? I couldn't believe the difference in Mirage!
Oh, and the Green Eyed Monster has been awoken in regards to your JBLs :)


Mirage sounds really good. Even Tango has a noticeable sparkle. I heard stuff in "Mystified" I never really noticed before.

Yeah, the JBLs were a bit pricier than I wanted... but you can get the cherry finish ones fairly cheap right now because the L830s model are being discontinued. ;)

[James Kirk]

Mirage sounds really good. Even Tango has a noticeable sparkle. I heard stuff in "Mystified" I never really noticed before.

Yeah, the JBLs were a bit pricier than I wanted... but you can get the cherry finish ones fairly cheap right now because the L830s model are being discontinued. ;)

HA! you said Cherry in regard to the finish, I thought you meant Cherry as in Awesome! as in "these JBL's are so Cherry"
:)
Sorry, dating myself a bit.

Glad you are enjoying the HD Tracks!

have a great night

Christian

[mylittledemon]

I thought you meant Cherry as in Awesome! as in "these JBL's are so Cherry"


:laugh: Literally and figuratively!

[PenguinHead]

HA! you said Cherry in regard to the finish, I thought you meant Cherry as in Awesome! as in "these JBL's are so Cherry"
:)
Sorry, dating myself a bit.

Glad you are enjoying the HD Tracks!

have a great night

Christian

I'm confused. Are there official HD versions of Mirage and Tango? Available for download? Where?

[mylittledemon]

I'm confused. Are there official HD versions of Mirage and Tango? Available for download? Where?

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpost.php?p=1169688&postcount=43

[Street_Dreamer]

Thanks for posting these. Still hope that one day they'll get the official CD release.

[SpyNote]

It should be noted that neither Mirage or Tango in the Night was remastered. Higher resolution music is just less compressed than other formats, such as MP3. These recordings will appear louder, but the sound quality isn't necessarily better. The cymbal crashes will give you the best indication if a recording was remastered because they will sound much crisper to the ear. Just compare the Mirage and Tango tracks from The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac tracks, which were remastered, with these downloads, and you'll clearly hear the difference. There are lots of articles online about high-resolution audio being a scam and marketing ploy.

[James Kirk]

Hello Daniel,

Actually these HD versions are not less compressed, they are actually Lossless, as in NOT compressed.

These versions are not louder as you suggest but quieter then The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac as it has not been brick walled and horribly clipped like all the tracks on The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac.

The HD tracks also have a much better DR value then The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac versions.

A simple review of the tracks waveform will show this.

The “better remastered” versions on The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac you mention are harsh and far too bright for my tastes, but if that is what you prefer more power to you.

Anyway, personally I do not believe I have been scammed as I find them to be superior to the previously released version in every way, as well as the very first time the original mix to I Know I'm Not Wrong from Tusk seeing its first digital release.

But more importantly Daniel what did you think of the quality on the HD versions?

I can’t believe you would make a judgement on something you have not heard, yes? :)



It should be noted that neither Mirage or Tango in the Night was remastered. Higher resolution music is just less compressed than other formats, such as MP3. These recordings will appear louder, but the sound quality isn't necessarily better. The cymbal crashes will give you the best indication if a recording was remastered because they will sound much crisper to the ear. Just compare the Mirage and Tango tracks from The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac tracks, which were remastered, with these downloads, and you'll clearly hear the difference. There are lots of articles online about high-resolution audio being a scam and marketing ploy.

[SpyNote]

Hello Daniel,

Actually these HD versions are not less compressed, they are actually Lossless, as in NOT compressed.

These versions are not louder as you suggest but quieter then The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac as it has not been brick walled and horribly clipped like all the tracks on The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac.

The HD tracks also have a much better DR value then The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac versions.

A simple review of the tracks waveform will show this.

The “better remastered” versions on The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac you mention are harsh and far too bright for my tastes, but if that is what you prefer more power to you.

Anyway, personally I do not believe I have been scammed as I find them to be superior to the previously released version in every way, as well as the very first time the original mix to I Know I'm Not Wrong from Tusk seeing its first digital release.

But more importantly Daniel what did you think of the quality on the HD versions?

I can’t believe you would make a judgement on something you have not heard, yes? :)

Actually, I did buy Mirage out of curiosity and came to my conclusions after listening to it. It is considerably louder than the original CD, which is what I was referring to in my original post. So that's what it sounds like to my ears, the same mix of the original CD, just amplified.

It is my opinion that there is no such thing as a lossless format. The digital format can only mimic the range of analog recordings. So that's why many audiophiles still prefer analog recordings over digital ones.

I am not a fan of the brick wall effect either, so when it used in conjunction with remastering, then it is an unfortunate result. But I still believe remastering is a necessary task for reissues. I think Stevie's Enchanted set is a great example of remastering done reasonably well. Mirage is still in need of remastering because the digital format has not sufficiently translated the high end of the original master recording, and I can still hear that problem on these new "high resolution" reissues.

[James Kirk]

Hi Daniel,

Thanks for the response,

Well I guess it really all is rather subjective, I find a great improvement over the original CD and the awful mastering on the Very Best of disc.

But at the end of the day it is part of the reason I enjoy The Ledge so much, everyone bringing in their own points of view.

I truly hope they do remaster it in the future for CD, I agree it does need work.

anyway, take care and happy listening! :)

Actually, I did buy Mirage out of curiosity and came to my conclusions after listening to it. It is considerably louder than the original CD, which is what I was referring to in my original post. So that's what it sounds like to my ears, the same mix of the original CD, just amplified.

It is my opinion that there is no such thing as a lossless format. The digital format can only mimic the range of analog recordings. So that's why many audiophiles still prefer analog recordings over digital ones.

I am not a fan of the brick wall effect either, so when it used in conjunction with remastering, then it is an unfortunate result. But I still believe remastering is a necessary task for reissues. I think Stevie's Enchanted set is a great example of remastering done reasonably well. Mirage is still in need of remastering because the digital format has not sufficiently translated the high end of the original master recording, and I can still hear that problem on these new "high resolution" reissues.

[SpyNote]

Well I guess it really all is rather subjective, I find a great improvement over the original CD and the awful mastering on the Very Best of disc.

It wasn't awful. :laugh: The same guys remastered Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, and Tusk, which were all well done. Those same tracks were used for Very Best of.

[bombaysaffires]

can someone kindly explain what is meant by "brick walled"?

[James Kirk]

It wasn't awful. :laugh: The same guys remastered Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, and Tusk, which were all well done. Those same tracks were used for Very Best of.

I am truly sorry you find my opinions something to laugh at Daniel. It is honestly the way I feel, I think that all the "remastered" versions are far too bright and clipped.

My hearing is very sensitive to that sort of remastering and I have a very difficult time listing to those albums for a long period of time. This is the main reason I have started going back to vinyl or the HD versions.

I can see that respect for one another views is no longer valued at The Ledge, so I will back out of this conversation with you.

[James Kirk]

can someone kindly explain what is meant by "brick walled"?

Hi bombaysaffires,

I think this clip can really explain the Loudness Wars and the brick walling better then I can. It does a good job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9xXzTjBt5c&feature=youtu.be

take care

[SpyNote]

What's truly awful is the photo that came with the HDtracks download. This made me further question the integrity of their practices.

http://stevie-nicks.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/MirageHDtracks-crap-photo.jpg

It's not that hard to find a quality photo of the album cover. If they were concerned about quality, then this is a detail that they would not have overlooked.

http://stevie-nicks.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/1982-mirage-album-cover.jpg

[michelej1]

^Ha. That first one looks like they just took a scan of MY old copy of the album. That second one looks yummy.

Michele

[SpyNote]

The Japanese seemed to issue better mastering jobs for CDs released in the late '80s and early '90s, with occasionally better artwork and bonus tracks. Mirage was one of those CDs that sounded much better than the US counterpart. There was no remastering, but the levels were much more acceptable. I don't know how the US version of the CD ever got approved. The volume level is substantially lower than other discs released around this time.