Dave Stewart Producing Fleetwood Mac EP...

[WildHearted]

@markgoodier
#davestewart just said he is producing #fleetwoodmac EP.. can't wait to hear that more from dave in conversation tomorrow 11:25 @smoothradio

JamieFriend12 Jamie Somerville
@DaveStewart Dave any truth in this?? RT "#davestewart just said he is producing #fleetwoodmac EP.. can't wait to hear that"

@DaveStewart
@JamieFriend12 could be ;)

http://nickslive.blogspot.com/2011/07/fleetwood-mac-could-this-be-early-signs.html

I wonder if he's just saying he might, or if there are like definite plans... and an EP, not an LP?

[KarmaContestant]

This would be great - and an EP is perfect for the current market and time constraints.

[holidayroad]

There's typically too much material for even 1 LP! I can't see the idea of an EP happening. Maybe it will be a Double EP! :lol:

[Peestie]

Hmm... I guess if it has to happen then an EP is better than an LP. Unless the EP is a lead up to full album then I don't think they should bother and should just do a full album right off the bat. Hopefully Lindsey still has plenty of say in the production process!

[Christopher]

There's typically too much material for even 1 LP! I can't see the idea of an EP happening. Maybe it will be a Double EP! :lol:

Or perhaps initial intentions to do an EP will develop into a full fledge FM cd if things progress smoothly & the creativity is there. I would be happy with a 12 track FM finale (6 from each writer). The EP idea could also be a test run to go in and record a few songs and see if things work out. Dave likes to work quickly to Lindsey's snail pace, this could be a good thing. This is encouraging news.

[WildHearted]

I'd rather an EP than nothing. But with how awesome Lindsey and Stevie's recent songs have been, I would love to hear more than like 2 songs from each of them to be honest.

I agree that if there's going to be an LP they should just skip the EP all together.

[Christopher]

I'd rather an EP than nothing. But with how awesome Lindsey and Stevie's recent songs have been, I would love to hear more than like 2 songs from each of them to be honest.

I agree that if there's going to be an LP they should just skip the EP all together.

Agreed. And so we really want Fleetwood Mac's potential last recordings to be an EP?? Between the 2 of them, Stevie and Lindsey should have no problem coughing up material. But still, 12 tracks to write, produce and arrange is a hell of a lot more work than 4 or 6:cool:

[WildHearted]

Agreed. And so we really want Fleetwood Mac's potential last recordings to be an EP?? Between the 2 of them, Stevie and Lindsey should have no problem coughing up material. But still, 12 tracks to write, produce and arrange is a hell of a lot more work than 4 or 6:cool:

I just wonder why an EP? Do they just want to be able to put it out quickly, or something?

I'm thinking maybe it's some sort of like testing-the-waters thing to see how Dave does with FM. Perhaps they didn't want to commit to a full-fledged LP with him without knowing how it would work. And by they, I mean everyone except for Stevie :rolleyes:

[KarmaContestant]

I just wonder why an EP? Do they just want to be able to put it out quickly, or something?

I'm thinking maybe it's some sort of like testing-the-waters thing to see how Dave does with FM. Perhaps they didn't want to commit to a full-fledged LP with him without knowing how it would work. And by they, I mean everyone except for Stevie :rolleyes:

I think this is it exactly. 4-6 songs, short, sweet, not very time consuming and it gives everyone an idea of how it will feel to do an album with Dave at the helm.

I'd rather have an EP, and then an album afterwards.

[MacShadowsBall]

May I ask, what is an EP? :confused:

[KarmaContestant]

May I ask, what is an EP? :confused:

Extended Play. An album is Long Play, so an EP is in between a single and an album.

[MacShadowsBall]

Extended Play. An album is Long Play, so an EP is in between a single and an album.

Thanks. I never heard of an EP before. Are they typically released or kinda rare?

So I guess it would be just a few songs maybe released digitally w/o an actual CD?

Very intriguing indeed! :nod:

[bluefox4000]

EP'S are not rare. Gaga's Fame Monster was called an EP......but I would argue that. A FM EP with Dave is a great idea. see how he would fit, I hope it happens:thumbsup:

Mick

[WildHearted]

I think this is it exactly. 4-6 songs, short, sweet, not very time consuming and it gives everyone an idea of how it will feel to do an album with Dave at the helm.

I'd rather have an EP, and then an album afterwards.

I just want new music, tbh. I'll take whatever they want to give.

Do you guys think Stevie would co-write with Dave for songs on a Mac album? I think that would kind of be like, blurring the lines a bit... what lines I'm not sure, but I hope not.

[MacShadowsBall]

Do you guys think Stevie would co-write with Dave for songs on a Mac album? I think that would kind of be like, blurring the lines a bit... what lines I'm not sure, but I hope not.

Unfortunately those lines between Fleetwood Mac and Stevie Nicks have been blurred since 1981, not that I have a problem with Stevie's solo career.

Now if Dave serves as a co-write on some of Stevie and Lindsey's songs, then that sounds nice and kinda bridges the gap between the two songwriters in the band.

I imagine what the fab 4 didn't like about SYW will come into play here.

[Peestie]

Now if Dave serves as a co-write on some of Stevie and Lindsey's songs, then that sounds nice and kinda bridges the gap between the two songwriters in the band.

I hope not. He can write with Stevie because they both seemed to enjoy and it was a healthy thing for Stevie. She seemed to get plenty out of it, but Lindsey works great on his own. If it ain't broke then don't fix it. I'm not saying Lindsey shouldn't try new things but I don't know how much they would work together. They can collaborate on production and that can be the link between Stevie and Lindsey.

I want as much new music as possible before they retire but, personally, I'd not mind if Lindsey and Stevie never recorded another FM album because I just can't see where they'd meet stylistically any more without the album/EP running the risk of being bland. However, I am perfectly will to be proved wrong. :lol:

[WildHearted]

I, for one, would rather Stevie write sans-Dave for an FM album. I think even moreso than Stevie and Lindsey's styles would be different or clashing, is that the Dave/Stevie combo would be stylistically very seperated from Lindsey's.. because Stevie's stuff on her own will end up being fixed up by Lindsey anyway, but if she writes with Dave I don't see that being the case.

I actually don't think SWS (At least the live versions) and Stevie's IYD stuff are that far away from each other on the spectrum... they certainly seem to be on similar pages more than their previous solo stuff has. Hopefully that will crossover to a mac album and we can get a nice cohesive sound.

[Peestie]

Douglas Dean
@Hirsute_Pursuit
@DaveStewart what's this about u producing an EP 4 Fleetwood Mac??? When? Do u have time in ur busy schedule? How many hrsaday do u sleep?


DaveStewart
@Hirsute_Pursuit I've no idea if I am


Looks like it might have been a bit premature? Could this be a Sheryl Crow situation all over again?

[jellyman10]

Who do you think would win a fight between Dave and Lindsey?

[Peestie]

Who do you think would win a fight between Dave and Lindsey?

Dave. Lindsey just doesn't look like the kind of person who'd know what to do in a fight at all. Out of the five Rumours Macsters I'd say Lindsey is the least likely to win any fight. :p

[jellyman10]

^^^ Yeh. Gotta say, Dave looks like he could fell a buffalo with a single fart.

[MacShadowsBall]

Well there's talk of a radio interview on the nickslive blog linked on the original post about this whole thing, so who knows? :shrug:

[elle]

Looks like it might have been a bit premature? Could this be a Sheryl Crow situation all over again?

i hope not but it almost sounds like it... i actually think it would be great if they test the waters w/ EP. at this point it doesn't sound like there's a choice between EP and LP, since the talk about new FM CD gradually changed into talk of just another FM tour in 2012. so i think the choice is probably more like EP/tour or just tour. in that case i'd love to get EP before a tour.

and Peestie - you know i'm with you on lindsey just doing his thing instead of FM, but he does seem to want to do another FM record, and will be probably touring w/ FM once his solo tour is finished anyway so we might as well get something out of it!:laugh:

re dave stewart co-writing songs with lindsey - i don't see that working out, at least not to my taste:sorry:. lindsey doesn't need any help, he's doing great on his own these days! but dave can co-write songs w/ stevie all he wants as far as i'm concerned (as i said before, i can listen to stevie's IYD songs, unlike her SYW songs, and more than half od IYD was co-written by dave so i have to give him credit for that). and then lindsey and dave can mash it all together and co-produce the whole thing.

[MacMan]

I think it will happen... Whether it's a full on album or not or an EP... But I think something with Dave Stewart will happen...

[TrueFaith77]

I, for one, would rather Stevie write sans-Dave for an FM album. I think even moreso than Stevie and Lindsey's styles would be different or clashing, is that the Dave/Stevie combo would be stylistically very seperated from Lindsey's.. because Stevie's stuff on her own will end up being fixed up by Lindsey anyway, but if she writes with Dave I don't see that being the case.

I actually don't think SWS (At least the live versions) and Stevie's IYD stuff are that far away from each other on the spectrum... they certainly seem to be on similar pages more than their previous solo stuff has. Hopefully that will crossover to a mac album and we can get a nice cohesive sound.

I agree with everything you said.

IAWEYS

In other news, I predict it will be EP-Tour-Maybe album? Bands such as Roxy Music have even said they may not do another album again, but a single or EP is not unrealistic. I just wish someone could explain the whole EP thing. Example: There's a singer I really like who released a four track ep in december. a 6 track ep in like may. and like two singles in between. um... why didn't she just release a 12 track album in may? Like: what is the business reasons for such a thing (actually i think she used money from the first ep to pay for the second one).

In MY opinion, EPs are best released as a theme work (e.g., Crackers International was Christmasy, ABBA-esque was abba covers, Mini was all car-themed songs, etc). Wonder what theme the Mac would devise?

[Dodfather]

[I]

@DaveStewart
@JamieFriend12 could be ;)?

Oh please. Either confirm that you're doing it or shut up. Especially now that the story is out there. I have never known a band, or a solo performer like Stevie, as bad for hinting at if's, buts and maybe's, I'm sick of it and now only want confirmed news and while I do appreciate the tweets, Dave is now doing the same.

Dave likes to work quickly to Lindsey's snail pace, this could be a good thing. This is encouraging news.

I thought that too but with the length of time he's taking on Stevie's documentary and also her videos I'm starting to wonder...

[RickRobert]

Oh please. Either confirm that you're doing it or shut up. Especially now that the story is out there. I have never known a band, or a solo performer like Stevie, as bad for hinting at if's, buts and maybe's, I'm sick of it and now only want confirmed news and while I do appreciate the tweets, Dave is now doing the same.

Ouch :lol: "could be ;)" is pretty much a yes though, I mean if he wasn't he'd like "no where did you hear that who is spreading these vile lies!!" or he'd just ignore the tweet. I don't think Dave is mean enough to say maybe to a plan he'd never heard about before in his life just to make fans go rabid... though maybe I'm wrong :]

[Artemis]

My suspicion is that an EP is the way for the rest of the band to test the waters of working with Dave. I think if, when they're making this EP (if it happens), they're all completely comfortable, it'll morph from an EP and into an album, but, if they're not comfortable, they'll still release it anyway to both get a little bit of money, get back into the routine of the four of them working together, and then make an album without Dave. So, by saying it's going to be an EP, they're not over-committing to something they're not 100% confident in.

[MacShadowsBall]

So are EPs typically released on an actual physical medium, etc or just in like a digital/mp3 format?

[louielouie2000]

So are EPs typically released on an actual physical medium, etc or just in like a digital/mp3 format?

My second fav artist (behind Fleetwood Mac) is Joseph Arthur, and he has released many EP's along with his LP's. Both his EP's and LP's have always been available on CD. I would expect no different from Fleetwood Mac, especially given their much older fanbase. As far as number of songs, Joseph's EP's have contained anywhere from 6-8 songs. I'd expect a Fleetwood Mac EP to easily contain 8 songs.

Like others have said, I wouldn't be surprised if this supposed EP were to morph into a full on album if everything goes smoothly. It seems like the point of Dave Stewart producing a Mac EP would be to test the waters to see if he were capable of producing Fleetwood Mac. If the experiment works, I can't see why Fleetwood Mac would throw on the brakes and just keep the project as an EP. But who knows... logic has never applied to this band. :laugh:

[mylittledemon]

Well they need to get with it... come on it's been 2003 since we've had new material. :rolleyes:

[MacShadowsBall]

My second fav artist (behind Fleetwood Mac) is Joseph Arthur, and he has released many EP's along with his LP's. Both his EP's and LP's have always been available on CD. I would expect no different from Fleetwood Mac, especially given their much older fanbase. As far as number of songs, Joseph's EP's have contained anywhere from 6-8 songs. I'd expect a Fleetwood Mac EP to easily contain 8 songs.

If they would do 8 songs, why not make it a full album and do 11 songs. Many albums run around 11-12 songs.

Is there a standard length in minutes for an EP?

They could just release a new greatest hits, live, demo, other type album and add a few studio songs w/Dave producing, a la "No Questions Asked" and "As Long As You Follow" from the '88 GH album featuring new members Billy and Rick.

[MrStevie]

Lindsey and Stevie won't be handing over a grip of new songs to the band ever again. Fleetwood Mac will get a bare minimum allotment [EP] to sastisfy as new music if the band does anything in the studio again. As far as an outsider getting a real piece of the producer's pie... :laugh::laugh:

[mylittledemon]

Is there a standard length in minutes for an EP?


I would expect at least 4 songs on it.

[CADreaming]

Lindsey and Stevie won't be handing over a grip of new songs to the band ever again. Fleetwood Mac will get a bare minimum allotment [EP] to sastisfy as new music if the band does anything in the studio again. As far as an outsider getting a real piece of the producer's pie... :laugh::laugh:

So, Dave's an "Insider"?? :laugh:

Here's a marketing thought - an EP packaged with the Rumours cd/dvd combo never released in 2009 and BN finally...

[jellyman10]

As far as an outsider getting a real piece of the producer's pie... :laugh::laugh:

And they laughed the laugh of the damned.... :nod:

LB-as-producer is indeed the death of Fleetwood Mac. This band has no future - that's NO future - without *both* Buckingham and Nicks. I only wish I could be confident that Stevie wouldn't cave and accept FM produced by LB again, but I think she will. She shouldn't, but she will, simply because at the end of the day Dave is a working relationship and LB is much more than that. But jeez... LB is such an amateur. Maybe he'll get better, though. Go, LB! :thumbsup:

[MacShadowsBall]

Here's a marketing thought - an EP packaged with the Rumours cd/dvd combo never released in 2009 and BN finally...

That's perfect! Something old with something new mixed in.

[Dodfather]

Ouch :lol: "could be ;)" is pretty much a yes though, I mean if he wasn't he'd like "no where did you hear that who is spreading these vile lies!!" or he'd just ignore the tweet. I don't think Dave is mean enough to say maybe to a plan he'd never heard about before in his life just to make fans go rabid... though maybe I'm wrong :]

I think an EP is a great idea and could be just the way to test how he'd work for an album. I'm not down on that plan at all, any new FM music is always great to hear. I just don't like the uncertainty and as someone else has already said, they should have learnt from the Sheryl Crow debacle and not announce anything until it is completely official. If the story gets out early - either confirm it or shut it down - don't keep it going by hinting at what may or may not be happening.

[mylittledemon]

Didn't they film the Unleashed tour somewhere in HD? How about a DVD release of that with the EP?

[Dodfather]

Didn't they film the Unleashed tour somewhere in HD? How about a DVD release of that with the EP?

I've heard conflicting reports about this. I've read that no filming was done and there are no dvd plans and also that one show was filmed but only for the band and there are no plans to release it. I'd LOVE an Unleashed DVD though and think they're missing a trick by not doing it. Especially at the moment.

[SteveMacD]

I've heard conflicting reports about this. I've read that no filming was done and there are no dvd plans and also that one show was filmed but only for the band and there are no plans to release it. I'd LOVE an Unleashed DVD though and think they're missing a trick by not doing it. Especially at the moment.

I disagree. With The Dance and LIB already out, the band would become too saturated with "recent" live DVDs.

[Dodfather]

I disagree. With The Dance and LIB already out, the band would become too saturated with "recent" live DVDs.

I think it would be good to have an updated Hits dvd, since The Dance was the last one and that was years ago now. I know a lot of people would find it unnecessary since The Dance is of course awesome but I think it could work - or maybe in a couple of years to get them back out there before they release a new album/a new tour?

[holidayroad]

If this EP happens and Dave is the producer, he needs to sit Lindsey and Stevie down and tell them that they Have to work together. No more of Stevie coming in after months of work has been done on the album. Neither one of them need to bring in songs they have already worked on. It needs to be material they write together.

[WildHearted]

If this EP happens and Dave is the producer, he needs to sit Lindsey and Stevie down and tell them that they Have to work together. No more of Stevie coming in after months of work has been done on the album. Neither one of them need to bring in songs they have already worked on. It needs to be material they write together.

I agree. Wholeheartedly. That was, I think, one of the primary issues with SYW. Hopefully that won't be a problem this time if an EP/LP/Whatever happens, because Lindsey will be promoting longer than Stevie will (presumably) and I doubt they would dream of going into the studio without him.

[louielouie2000]

If this EP happens and Dave is the producer, he needs to sit Lindsey and Stevie down and tell them that they Have to work together. No more of Stevie coming in after months of work has been done on the album. Neither one of them need to bring in songs they have already worked on. It needs to be material they write together.

Preach the good word! :woohoo:

I think if Dave were to be involved in a future Mac project, that's exactly what would happen. It seems to me that he's good at breaking artists of their habits, and gets them to work in different ways. He definitely got Stevie to scrap her way of doing things, and Dave got in on the creative ground floor of Stevie's song building. It seems Dave likes to start with a blank slate, and just see where the music takes off to. I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but the thought of Dave even producing a 6 song Mac EP is terribly exciting to me. :nod:

[vivfox]

I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but the thought of Dave even producing a 6 song Mac EP is terribly exciting to me.

That's what an EP has always been in my mind; 6 songs.

[MrStevie]

So, Dave's an "Insider"?? :laugh:

You're good. :D ;)

And they laughed the laugh of the damned.... :nod:

LB-as-producer is indeed the death of Fleetwood Mac. This band has no future - that's NO future - without *both* Buckingham and Nicks. I only wish I could be confident that Stevie wouldn't cave and accept FM produced by LB again, but I think she will. She shouldn't, but she will, simply because at the end of the day Dave is a working relationship and LB is much more than that.

Stevie's quitting if they don't get an outside producer? Before the last two tours she wasn't going on without Christine either, so I guess you're right. The band has no future. :rolleyes:

But jeez... LB is such an amateur.

Forgive them, Bwana, for they know not what they say. :angel:

Maybe he'll get better, though. Go, LB! :thumbsup:
Producing for 40 years...there's no place to go but down. :laugh::wavey:

[MrStevie]

2 cents more :p There's nothing wrong with "Say You Will" except the absense of Christine. That cd is an excellent piece of work.

[MacShadowsBall]

Release a live album from performances of the Unleashed tour with some new studio songs as well.

What would be a fair price for an EP? $8 maybe $9.00 ?

[louielouie2000]

What would be a fair price for an EP? $8 maybe $9.00 ?

Every EP I've bought has been at least $7 but never more than $10. I can't say how much I dig the idea of a Mac EP. It's the very opposite of their typical wallowing excess. Mick said in Destiny Rules that he thought the idea of a double album was artistically spunky. I feel the same way about a Mac EP. :D

[WildHearted]

So, if they did record some sort of new project, where do you think they'd do it? Lindsey's home studio? Stevie's house? Somewhere in Hawaii?

[louielouie2000]

So, if they did record some sort of new project, where do you think they'd do it? Lindsey's home studio? Stevie's house? Somewhere in Hawaii?

I've wondered this myself. I'd cross off either Stevie's or Lindsey's homes due to ego reasons. There's no way Stevie would work under "Lindsey's wife's" roof, and I seriously doubt Lindsey would work under Stevie's roof (even if the house is not her primary residence). Since Lindsey is also apparently buying a home in Hawaii and Mick & John also live in Hawaii, signs would certainly point towards a Hawaii based album. I like the idea of the band recording in Hawaii... it's certainly out of their norm. :)

[shackin'up]

The thought only depresses me deeply. Four Say You Wills and Peacekeepers produced by an eel in a bucket of snot, to trigger some radioattention for another Greatest Hitstour. Blerrrgh.

[shackin'up]

That's what an EP has always been in my mind; 6 songs.

In Macs case I bet it'll be only four.

[mylittledemon]

I disagree. With The Dance and LIB already out, the band would become too saturated with "recent" live DVDs.

Recent? The Dance is nearly 15 years old and LIB came out over 7 years ago. There's nothing recent or over-saturated about that.

[Peestie]

Recent? The Dance is nearly 15 years old and LIB came out over 7 years ago. There's nothing recent or over-saturated about that.
Rush manage to release a new live DVD every single time they tour. I don't see why FM couldn't do it. That said, Rush do change up their setlist more than FM and tend to have a large portion from their new album.

Still, FM could do it and I'd still buy it! I though the Unleashed tour had a good (though slightly unadventurous) setlist and some great performances. It'd be good to have a video document.

[MacShadowsBall]

Any more actual news about this rumored EP w/Dave Stewart?

[vivfox]

What would be a fair price for an EP? $8 maybe $9.00 ?


Fair to us, yes. But Stevie charged us $10.00 for the privledge of owning My Heart from IYD.

[MacShadowsBall]

Fair to us, yes. But Stevie charged us $10.00 for the privledge of owning My Heart from IYD.

Wow! That must be one hell of a song! :lol:

[CADreaming]

So, if they did record some sort of new project, where do you think they'd do it? Lindsey's home studio? Stevie's house? Somewhere in Hawaii?

Wales. :D

[WildHearted]

Wales. :D

:lol: Good answer.

[Artemis]

Wow! That must be one hell of a song! :lol:

You would think so, but... no. :laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

Rush manage to release a new live DVD every single time they tour. I don't see why FM couldn't do it. That said, Rush do change up their setlist more than FM and tend to have a large portion from their new album.

Still, FM could do it and I'd still buy it! I though the Unleashed tour had a good (though slightly unadventurous) setlist and some great performances. It'd be good to have a video document.

Sure but they've had Test for Echo, Vapor Trails, Snakes and Arrows and soon Clockwork Angels in the same amount of time FM did SYW. And you're right Peestie they do 3 hrs of a new set list every tour.

[McTrouble]

2 cents more :p There's nothing wrong with "Say You Will" except the absense of Christine. That cd is an excellent piece of work.

:thumbsup: It's a wonderful CD!

The absence of Chris didn't bother me much - it think it works well with the 4 of them.

If one member of the five had to be lost, Chris was the right one to go (IMHO) - I couldn't bear a Fleetwood Mac without LB/SN/MF/JMcV!

[michelej1]

If one member of the five had to be lost, Chris was the right one to go (IMHO) - I couldn't bear a Fleetwood Mac without LB/SN/MF/JMcV!

Well, I don't want to lose anyone, but if forced first I could bear for John to go, then the Fleetwood guy, then . . .

Michele

[ButterCookie]

Well, I don't want to lose anyone, but if forced first I could bear for John to go, then the Fleetwood guy, then . . .

Michele

No no, definitely not. Out with Blondie. I'd fall into a deep pit of depression if John turned round and said "yeah I'm bored of playing bass now, I'm just going to fish for a living"

[Peestie]

No no, definitely not. Out with Blondie. I'd fall into a deep pit of depression if John turned round and said "yeah I'm bored of playing bass now, I'm just going to fish for a living"

Ditto. John's the most consistent thing about Fleetwood Mac. He's almost always doing something I love under the guitars.

[McTrouble]

Well, I don't want to lose anyone, but if forced first I could bear for John to go, then the Fleetwood guy, then . . .

Michele

.......and then we'd be left with Buckingham Nicks and we might finally get the album released on CD!!!!!! :lol:

[mottabam]

Well, I don't want to lose anyone, but if forced first I could bear for John to go, then the Fleetwood guy, then . . .

Michele

Oh No!:shocked: I can't imagine the band without either of the 2 namesakes. I really enjoy watching Mick behind the drum kit, John has an interesting presence as well. I'm happy with the remaining 4.
If Stevie and Lindsey ever did a Buckingham/Nicks tour I'd be up with that.:]

[SteveMacD]

:thumbsup: It's a wonderful CD!

The absence of Chris didn't bother me much - it think it works well with the 4 of them.

If one member of the five had to be lost, Chris was the right one to go (IMHO) - I couldn't bear a Fleetwood Mac without LB/SN/MF/JMcV!
Eh, I'll have to disagree on that. I would've been happy if Chris stayed and Stevie left. Actually, I'd love to have a Christine-Lindsey fronted version of Fleetwood Mac. Fleetwood Mac just isn't the same without her. It doesn't feel like a real band anymore.

Well, I don't want to lose anyone, but if forced first I could bear for John to go, then the Fleetwood guy, then . . .
Then it wouldn't be Fleetwood Mac. Period. They're treading on thin water as it is without Christine, but at least she wasn't an original member (although, she's been associated with them since the beginning).

[michelej1]

.......and then we'd be left with Buckingham Nicks and we might finally get the album released on CD!!!!!! :lol:

Well, actually I was countering your statement that Christine would be the easiest to lose. So, I was throwing her back in and saying that if any of the five had to go, first John, then Mick, then there were three:lol:.

Michele

[McTrouble]

Well, actually I was countering your statement that Christine would be the easiest to lose. So, I was throwing her back in and saying that if any of the five had to go, first John, then Mick, then there were three:lol:.

Michele

Oh! :laugh:

Well, even though I do love Fleetwood Mac very much, I am first and foremost a Lindsey fan so really I suppose I could bear them all going one by one and just leaving Lindsey.

As long as we have him I'd be happy - oh, wait, we DO have LB as a solo artist! :D

[holidayroad]

Eh, I'll have to disagree on that. I would've been happy if Chris stayed and Stevie left. Actually, I'd love to have a Christine-Lindsey fronted version of Fleetwood Mac. Fleetwood Mac just isn't the same without her. It doesn't feel like a real band anymore.


I'll go for this! It's not that I don't like Stevie. I do! Still, if someone had to leave, I would have preferred that Stevie did.

[Lindsey Jr.]

Eh, I'll have to disagree on that. I would've been happy if Chris stayed and Stevie left. Actually, I'd love to have a Christine-Lindsey fronted version of Fleetwood Mac. Fleetwood Mac just isn't the same without her. It doesn't feel like a real band anymore.


Then it wouldn't be Fleetwood Mac. Period. They're treading on thin water as it is without Christine, but at least she wasn't an original member (although, she's been associated with them since the beginning).

To me, Fleetwood Mac can't exist without John & Mick.

Christine wrote some very good songs, but she's out of the band for 13 years now, because SHE wanted to. Time to move on.

And I happen to like SYW quite a bit, I listen to it more than Tusk or Tango.

[mezzoforte]

Man, I don't even like to think about any of them leaving. I will be inconsolable if we lose any of the remaining four.
I miss Christine like I would miss an arm, but if nothing else, I'm happy she's happy. Listening to Homeward Bound, it's hard not to think about how much of her life she gave to touring, perhaps without enjoying it.

That said, if we remove the emotional component, I do think she's more key to the sound than Mick or John. If we're basing it on the music alone, I could whittle it down to the three writers.

[seekerj]

Wow! That must be one hell of a song! :lol:

lol, well, that's cheap! A few years ago, someone paid over $800 for "Rhiannon 1978" on ebay.

[Lindsey Jr.]

Man, I don't even like to think about any of them leaving. I will be inconsolable if we lose any of the remaining four.
I miss Christine like I would miss an arm, but if nothing else, I'm happy she's happy. Listening to Homeward Bound, it's hard not to think about how much of her life she gave to touring, perhaps without enjoying it.

That said, if we remove the emotional component, I do think she's more key to the sound than Mick or John. If we're basing it on the music alone, I could whittle it down to the three writers.

Mick has an instantly recognisable drumsound
John has an instantly recognisable bass sound

They gave the band it's name!!!


But, if this EP will come out I hope it's going to be a "warm up" to a full album.

[SteveMacD]

That said, if we remove the emotional component, I do think she's more key to the sound than Mick or John. If we're basing it on the music alone, I could whittle it down to the three writers.
I don't know about that. There's a feel to the songs that Mick and John bring, and it really doesn't matter who's fronting the band, that is the stamp of the band. I mean, the song "Talkin' To My Heart" from "Time" has a feel to it that is unmistakably Fleetwood Mac.

It also works in reverse. Compare "Crystal" or "Don't Let Me Down Again" from Buckingham Nicks to the Fleetwood Mac versions of those songs. While there's similarity, one is clearly NOT Fleetwood Mac.

[michelej1]

Man, I don't even like to think about any of them leaving. I will be inconsolable if we lose any of the remaining four.
I miss Christine like I would miss an arm, but if nothing else, I'm happy she's happy. Listening to Homeward Bound, it's hard not to think about how much of her life she gave to touring, perhaps without enjoying it.

That said, if we remove the emotional component, I do think she's more key to the sound than Mick or John. If we're basing it on the music alone, I could whittle it down to the three writers.

Yes, I don't think any of them are expendable. And Mick's drum is just part of what he brings to the band. His personality is also a great binding, cohesive influence, impacting all of the others. So, I do not want to lose anyone and the others would suffer if anyone goes. But, if push comes to shove, I'd take the 3 writers and get studio players to play bass and drum.

It wouldn't sound like the FM we know, but it would be a band I'd be most happy to listen to, if I had to cut 2.

I'd listen to what Chris, Lindsey and Stevie could cobble together alone, before I'd listen to Time. And I'm not being facetious. I enjoyed some cuts on Time, especially Christine's. But if I have to prioritize . . .

Michele

[mezzoforte]

Mick has an instantly recognisable drumsound
John has an instantly recognisable bass sound

They gave the band it's name!!!


But, if this EP will come out I hope it's going to be a "warm up" to a full album.

I don't know about that. There's a feel to the songs that Mick and John bring, and it really doesn't matter who's fronting the band, that is the stamp of the band. I mean, the song "Talkin' To My Heart" from "Time" has a feel to it that is unmistakably Fleetwood Mac.

It also works in reverse. Compare "Crystal" or "Don't Let Me Down Again" from Buckingham Nicks to the Fleetwood Mac versions of those songs. While there's similarity, one is clearly NOT Fleetwood Mac.

No doubt. As Michele said, John and Mick are far from expendable. They're an extraordinary rhythm section, and leave their impressive stamp on every record.
When it comes down to it, though, I would take Christine if I could. Mick and John's absence would leave a massive, gaping hole, but perhaps not the crater Christine's absence created in SYW. Mileage will vary.

[SteveMacD]

I'd listen to what Chris, Lindsey and Stevie could cobble together alone, before I'd listen to Time. And I'm not being facetious. I enjoyed some cuts on Time, especially Christine's. But if I have to prioritize . . .
What about "Bare Trees"?

[Lindsey Jr.]

Bare trees is a nice album.

[louielouie2000]

But, if this EP will come out I hope it's going to be a "warm up" to a full album.

That's the only reason I can think for them to do an EP. They keep saying they need to do this or that to "reacquaint" one another to make another studio album (that was the reason they gave for the Unleashed tour too). They have all known each other for several decades... just stop making excuses and getting in the *&%#ing studio already!! :lol:

[Dodfather]

They have all known each other for several decades... just stop making excuses and getting in the *&%#ing studio already!! :lol:

Hell YES!!

[jbrownsjr]

That's the only reason I can think for them to do an EP. They keep saying they need to do this or that to "reacquaint" one another to make another studio album (that was the reason they gave for the Unleashed tour too). They have all known each other for several decades... just stop making excuses and getting in the *&%#ing studio already!! :lol:

It needs to be a re-convening of an organic process per se before they can do it... :lol::lol::lol:

[McTrouble]

Hell YES!!

Echoed! :thumbsup:

[McTrouble]

It needs to be a re-convening of an organic process per se before they can do it... :lol::lol::lol:

Oh how we mock the various utterances of the great visionary! :rolleyes::)

[jbrownsjr]

Oh how we mock the various utterances of the great visionary! :rolleyes::)

Imitation is the highest form of flattery is it not? lol Even if he does say it "over and over" each and every album and tour..

[Lindsey Jr.]

Any news about this "rumour"? :xoxo:

[Dodfather]

Recent? The Dance is nearly 15 years old and LIB came out over 7 years ago. There's nothing recent or over-saturated about that.

Hear hear! That's what I trued to say in my usual long-winded way!

[SteveMacD]

Recent? The Dance is nearly 15 years old and LIB came out over 7 years ago. There's nothing recent or over-saturated about that.

Sadly, yes that's EXACTLY the case. The last three things to come out of Fleetwood Mac are two live albums, neither having too much new to offer, and a studio album, which had two previously released songs. Given their lack of diversity in their sets, I don't really see the need. Judging by LIB, all we'd get is new songs on DVD, NOT CD with a bunch of old songs we already have. Do we need another live version of "Dreams" or "Go Your Own Way"??? Because, that's EXACTLY what we'd get.

[TrueFaith77]

^^Not all the prayers in the world could save us.

[PenguinHead]

My suspicion is that an EP is the way for the rest of the band to test the waters of working with Dave. I think if, when they're making this EP (if it happens), they're all completely comfortable, it'll morph from an EP and into an album, but, if they're not comfortable, they'll still release it anyway to both get a little bit of money, get back into the routine of the four of them working together, and then make an album without Dave. So, by saying it's going to be an EP, they're not over-committing to something they're not 100% confident in.

I think that is a very feasible theory! Lindsey has stated that the idea of an outside producer is possibility. It would take the burdon off of him, and would serve as a balance between him and Stevie.

[mylittledemon]

Do we need another live version of "Dreams" or "Go Your Own Way"??? Because, that's EXACTLY what we'd get.


When Rumours sold up-teen million albums, this outcome was fated. ;)

[SteveMacD]

When Rumours sold up-teen million albums, this outcome was fated. ;)
Okay, but "Second Hand News" was on "Rumours", too.

Here's what was on the LIB CD, and why I tend to hate most of it:

1. Eyes Of The World -Good choice, actually.
2. Dreams -Fleetwood Mac Live; The Dance
3. Rhiannon -Fleetwood Mac Live; The Dance
4. Come -GREAT choice
5. Big Love -The Dance
6. Landslide -Fleetwood Mac Live; The Dance
7. Silver Springs -The Dance
8. I'm So Afraid -Fleetwood Mac Live; The Dance
9. Stand Back -The Chain
10. Go Your Own Way -Fleetwood Mac Live; The Dance

Here's what it SHOULD have had:
1. Eyes Of The World
2. Peacekeeper
3. Second Hand News
4. Say You Will
5. Never Going Back Again (full band version, very different from FM Live)
6. Come
7. Say Goodbye
8. What's The World Coming To?
9. Beautiful Child (criminal in its exclusion)
10. World Turning
11. Don't Stop (different with Stevie)
12. Goodbye Baby

It would've been different enough from Fleetwood Mac Live and The Dance to make it worth everybody's time.

[mylittledemon]

I agree with ya... LIB is, for me, sub par to The Dance. I think LIB should've showcased the bands current line up and their strengths without Christine.

[Dodfather]

9. Beautiful Child (criminal in its exclusion)


I absolutely agree. The live version is stunning and I wish it was on the CD. I keep meaning to rip the audio actually.

[Lindsey Jr.]

Now, about David Stewart producing, because this has turned into another "oh noes they didn't do wut they shoulda" thread.

Sadly not much has changed during my two years off.