Say You Will - Analyze Your Least Favorites

[MacShadowsBall]

Well we're getting to the end of the first part of the least favorite song battles! Here we start with Fleetwood Mac's last album...


Bad lyrics -

Christine come back, please!! -

Should've been a hit single -

Add this song, remove that one -

Much better performed live -

Overall least favorite -

[bluefox4000]

Bad lyrics - Peacekeeper, Silver Girl

Christine come back, please!! - The whole Friggin' affair suffers without her:distress:

Should've been a hit single - Come........just saying it......really don't care. About this train wreak of a project

Add this song, remove that one - Can I cheat and say remove Stevie's harmonies from bucky's songs

Much better performed live - Come

Overall least favorite - Silver Girl.

As you can clearly tellv.....My disdain for this turkey runs deep...:laugh: Sorry peoples.

Mick

[mezzoforte]

Bad lyrics - Silver Girl

Christine come back, please!! - Rarely a moment in the album I'm not thinking this.

Should've been a hit single - Steal Your Heart Away

Add this song, remove that one - Can I remove two instead? WTWCT and Silver Girl.

Much better performed live - Say Goodbye

Overall least favorite - Silver Girl

[darklinensuit]

Bad lyrics – Compared to some of the production and vocals, lyrics are the least of the problems with this album.

Christine come back, please!! – I’d much rather have heard Christine’s voice instead of Lindsey’s snake-voice on “Illume” and “Running through the Garden”.

Should've been a hit single – “Miranda”

Add this song, remove that one – Cut “Smile at You”, add a good version of “Smile at You”

Much better performed live – “Come”

Overall least favorite – “Red Rover”


- Jake

[holidayroad]

Bad lyrics - unsure

Christine come back, please!! - There should have been Christine songs replacing Running Through the Garden, Bleed To Love Her, and one of the 'goodbye' songs.

Should've been a hit single - Thrown Down

Add this song, remove that one - Remove the redo of Bleed to Love Her. It was fine on The Dance. Also, remove this version of Steal Your Heart Away and replace it with the one on the 1997 Best Buy The Dance Tour CD.

Much better performed live - unsure

Overall least favorite - Running Through the Garden

[McTrouble]

Bad lyrics - Illume

Chris, come back, please!! - Love the album and the line-up is just fine without Chris

Should've been a hit single - WTWCT and SYHA

Add this song, remove that one - None to add, but remove Illume and a couple more of Stevie's

Much better performed live - Come, WTWCT

Overall least fav - Illume

[ontheEdgeof17]

Bad lyrics - Come

Christine come back, please!! - Destiny Rules and What's The World Coming To

Should've been a hit single - Thrown Down

Add this song, remove that one - Remove Come.

Much better performed live - Say Goodbye

Overall least favorite - Come

[darklinensuit]

[QUOTE=MacShadowsBall;1000694]

Christine come back, please!! - There should have been Christine songs replacing Running Through the Garden

Overall least favorite - Running Through the Garden

I think the RAL outtake is far superior, but RTTG is still my favorite on SYW.:o



Remove Come.



Must...not...make...Lewinsky dress joke...;):sorry:


- Jake

[MacShadowsBall]

Start PMing your predictions for least fav Stevie, Lindsey, and least fav song from Say You Will. :wavey:

[jbrownsjr]

Bad lyrics

Add this song, remove that one – Cut “Smile at You”, add a good version of “Smile at You”



- Jake

Haha!! You're spot on again! You crack me up when it matters most. :)

[McTrouble]

[QUOTE=darklinensuit;1000780][QUOTE=holidayroad;1000759]

I think the RAL outtake is far superior, but RTTG is still my favorite on SYW.:o



Must...not...make...Lewinsky dress joke...;):sorry:

How wude - but very funny! :lol:

[michelej1]

Bad lyrics - Silver Girl

Christine come back, please!! - Whole album

Should've been a hit single - Thrown Down, EFO

Add this song, remove that one - Not Make Believe, Silver Girl

Much better performed live - I don't think anything sounded better live

Overall least favorite - Silver Girl and RTTG

[markolas]

Bad lyrics - Other than some of Smile at You's awkward lyrics, I think the songs are all great, lyrically

Christine come back, please!! - Say You Will, Miranda, Thrown Down

Should've been a hit single - Who cares?

Add this song, remove that one - Not sure what I would add, but I could do without Come. Remove LB's Zelda Rubinstein vocals from Illume, and add another verse to Say You Will.

Much better performed live - None.

Overall least favorite - Probably Come.

[KarmaContestant]

Bad lyrics - I don't know that any of these songs really have bad lyrics.

Christine come back, please!! - Say You Will, Steal Your Heart Away, Smile At You

Should've been a hit single - Thrown Down, Say Goodbye, Destiny Rules

Add this song, remove that one - Cut “Smile at You”, add a good version of “Smile at You”

Much better performed live - I didn't like any of them, except Say Goodbye - which was already good to begin with.

Overall least favorite - Red Rover

[Dark Angel]

Bad lyrics - Silver Girl

Christine come back, please!! - Thrown Down, Steal Your Heart Away, Smile At You, Destiny Rules

Should've been a hit single - Steal Your Heart Away/Miranda

Add this song, remove that one - Swap this version of Smile At You for any better one!

Much better performed live - Come

Overall least favorite - Silver Girl

[jbrownsjr]

Bad lyrics - Peacekeeper, What's the World Coming To,

Christine come back, please!! - Don't It always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got til it's gone

Should've been a hit single - Thrown Down

Add this song, remove that one - Not Make Believe, What's the World

Much better performed live - None

Overall least favorite - What's the World Coming To (garbage)

[chiliD]

least favorite...well, it isn't on my list of "favorites", I just downright dislike the song:

Running Through The Garden


Swap it out for "Not Make Believe", the album improves 8 points right there.


Now, let's talk album tracking order...sucks. Just like most Fleetwood Mac albums, they have ZERO sense of how to track an album. Sure, Stevie THINKS she can, but she's the worst of 'em all.


And all of you who want a different "Smile At You" on the album....you're nuts. Crazy. Tone deaf. You wouldn't know a decent track if it smacked you on the back of the head. The track on the album is the best track ON the album...by far.

[RickRobert]

Bad lyrics - Silver Girl

Christine come back, please!! - Thrown Down / Say You Will / Goodbye Baby

Should've been a hit single - Bleed To Love Her

Add this song, remove that one - Remove Miranda, add Not Make Believe

Much better performed live - Bleed To Love Her

Overall least favorite - Miranda

[Christopher]

Bad lyrics - Silver Girl

Christine come back, please!! - Destiny Rules, Thrown Down & Say You Will

Should've been a hit single - Thrown Down, Destiny Rules, EFO, Steal Your Heart Away or Peacekeeper (minus the squawking bird)

Add this song, remove that one - Add: Down On Rodeo, Gift Of Screws & Gotta Get Away Remove: Whats the World Coming to, Come & Miranda

Much better performed live - Say Goodbye (the SYW studio version makes my skin crawl-sped up way too fast)

Overall least favorite - tie: Come & Whats The World Coming To (I never listen to these two)

AND The title of this record should have been "GIFT OF SCREWS"

[michelej1]

Christine come back, please!! - Say You Will, Miranda, Thrown Down


Interesting idea to have Christine on Miranda. I wonder how it would have sounded.

I actually like the detachment that I think Stevie's background vocals add to the song. As a song about a person who has sunk into insanity, this one always reminded me of an old one by Helen Reddy, Angie Baby. I like the murky music and then you put in a vocal for the chorus that sounds like it could be the schizophrenic voice in someone's head and I just love it.

If Christine's harmony would have made the song warmer, then I would have resisted that. I want it to stay cool and removed kind of, but it would have been interesting to see what qualities in the tune an arrangement that included her would have enhanced.

Michele

[RickRobert]

Add this song, remove that one - Add: Down On Rodeo, Gift Of Screws

Oh if we're adding Linds songs then those are great choices, Down On Rodeo would have sounded great with some Christine harmonies.

[jbrownsjr]

And all of you who want a different "Smile At You" on the album....you're nuts. Crazy. Tone deaf. You wouldn't know a decent track if it smacked you on the back of the head. The track on the album is the best track ON the album...by far.

Yes you've made that quite clear.. even to some of us trained folks.. ;)

[TrueFaith77]

Bad lyrics - None

Christine come back, please!! - None (she doesn't belong on THIS album)

Should've been a hit single - SYHA, RTTG, EFO, BTLH, TD

Add this song, remove that one - It should have been a double album. Add NMB, and the five other Lindsey tracks from GOS sessions that have Mick on drums. They could keep adding from there.

Much better performed live - WTCT, BC, SG

Overall least favorite -Hard to choose. For now, I'll go: Silver Girl but I really do like it a lot.

[michelej1]

Christine come back, please!! - None (she doesn't belong on THIS album)


Not even on songs like SYHA or BTLH?

Michele

[TrueFaith77]

Not even on songs like SYHA or BTLH?

Michele

Well rumour has it she might be on there. I'm thinking of a more overt presence, and, no, I don't think the songs or the album would improve for having her presence on them. Even the title of the album references her absence.

[jbrownsjr]

Well rumour has it she might be on there. I'm thinking of a more overt presence, and, no, I don't think the songs or the album would improve for having her presence on them. Even the title of the album references her absence.

We do agree on this TrueFaith. This album is so terrible I don't think her presence would not have helped. Well we sort of agree.. :shocked:

[LilyRose]

I dug out my SYW album last night and listened to it for the first time in years. I actually ended up liking many of the songs a lot more than I remembered...maybe that's because they were kind of new again after not listening for so long?

Anyhoo

Bad lyrics - Silver Girl - I detest this song

Christine come back, please!! - Every. Single. Song. (That she's not already on.) I never realized how much I loved Christine until she was gone. :(

Should've been a hit single - Thrown Down, Steal Your Heart Away

Add this song, remove that one - Remove Peacekeeper and SYW, add Down on Rodeo and Not Make Believe.

Much better performed live - :shrug: Come?

Overall least favorite - Silver Girl

ETA: I also think there are way too many songs on SYW. Take about 8 of them off altogether.

[RickRobert]

Well rumour has it she might be on there. I'm thinking of a more overt presence, and, no, I don't think the songs or the album would improve for having her presence on them. Even the title of the album references her absence.

Chris is on SYHA, BTLH and Murrow.

[SteveMacD]

Christine come back, please!! - Say You Will, Steal Your Heart Away, Smile At You

Christine IS on SYHA.

[michelej1]

Well rumour has it she might be on there. I'm thinking of a more overt presence, and, no, I don't think the songs or the album would improve for having her presence on them. Even the title of the album references her absence.

I tend to miss her more obviously on those songs, because I don't need my imagination to know what it would have been like, especially BTLH after The Dance.

As for the title referencing her absence, I do think I can "hear" her not being there throughout, like an echo. In fact, when I first heard Red Rover, on the album I thought he was saying "Christine you were dying . . . " discussing her misery as the Dance tour trudged along. So, when I read the liner notes and found he was saying, "could see you were dying," I was rather bummed.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

I tend to miss her more obviously on those songs, because I don't need my imagination to know what it would have been like, especially BTLH after The Dance.

As for the title referencing her absence, I do think I can "hear" her not being there throughout, like an echo. In fact, when I first heard Red Rover, on the album I thought he was saying "Christine you were dying . . . " discussing her misery as the Dance tour trudged along. So, when I read the liner notes and found he was saying, "could see you were dying," I was rather bummed.

Michele

I remember you stating that way back when...

[Dodfather]

Bad lyrics - Silver Girl ("She was a girly girl" - What??)

Christine come back, please!! - - Miranda (I love it but would have loved it even more with her harmonies/backing vocals)

Should've been a hit single - - Thrown Down (especially), Everybody Finds Out, Miranda.

Add this song, remove that one - Add Not Make Believe or I Am Waiting (LOVED hearing Stevie's harmony on this in Destiny Rules), remove Silver Girl or Red Rover (I do like Red Rover but it's such a Lindsey solo song that it jars - even more than Come)

Much better performed live - Come

Overall least favorite - Silver Girl

[Silver Springs]

Bad lyrics - Everybody Finds Out. I don't often skip songs from this album, as it's one of my favourites. But it just doesn't stick out to me as one of their best. As I base a lot of my musical taste on lyrics alone, I can only suppose that it's simple style has alienated me some. It's still not a "bad" song. There aren't any on the album. But this one sticks out for me.

Christine come back, please!! - Bleed To Love Her. I adore the song, so don't misinterpret me. I just can't help but wonder how beautiful the harmonies would have been with Christine's sultry voice added to them in a more prominent way, rather than a simple harmony. Her voice always did compliment Lindsey's very well.

Should've been a hit single - As Bleed To Love Her is my favourite of the album, I suppose I'm biased in picking this one again. It should have been better received because, melodically it's stunning. It's lyrics may not be the most thought provoking, but each ingredient serves the song well as a whole to make a song I do tend to listen to on repeat when in a certain frame of mind.

Add this song, remove that one - Remove Say Goodbye (Gah, I'm sorry SG) and add Down On Rodeo. Actually....I don't know. That would rob Lindsey of one of his most impressive songs. He deserves to keep that for himself. Gah...Next question please.

Much better performed live - Come. The song needs more presence and energy than it is allowed in the constraints of a studio. Live performance allows more freedom in instrumentals and vocals, and Come is certainly a song that benefits from improvisation.

Overall least favorite - Probably Everybody Finds Out.

[sjpdg]

Bad lyrics - Red Rover & Silver Girl

Christine come back, please!! - More of her needed on Steal Your Heart Away - Love that song!!

Should've been a hit single - Bleed To Love Her - Love that one too!!

Add this song, remove that one - add Love Minus Zero/No Limit (awesome Dylan cover!!) and Not Make Believe, take out Murrow (I'm So Afraid redux), Miranda, Red Rover, Running Through The Garden and Silver Girl

Much better performed live - Come (this could be used to replace I'm So Afraid, change the live set up a little)

Overall least favorite -[/QUOTE] Red Rover

[sjpdg]

Regarding "Steal Your Heart Away", I got a promotional double CD when my wife and I went to "The Dance" concert. It had a series of interviews with the band and then a mix of songs, including a version of "Steal". It's definitely a different mix from what we got on "Say You Will" and while I like both versions, you can definitely hear Christine better/more clearly, on the other mix.

I think the 2nd cd had a bunch of new and old singles from various artists, possibly all Warner Bros. artists? I honestly don't recall. There were a few good ones on there but I haven't had it out in ages so I don't recall.

[OutsideTheRain]

Where can we hear the 1997 version of Steal...ahem, youtube please :)

[jbrownsjr]

Where can we hear the 1997 version of Steal...ahem, youtube please :)

Isn't there one on the Best Buy cd?

[TrueFaith77]

Isn't there one on the Best Buy cd?

yes :thumbsup:

[jbrownsjr]

yes :thumbsup:

I thought so..

[Artemis]

Bad lyrics - Silver Girl.

Christine come back, please!! - Christine would have been amazing on Thrown Down, Destiny Rules, Running Through The Garden and Everybody Finds Out. Maybe Miranda as well. Or the whole bloody thing. :laugh:

Should've been a hit single - Thrown Down / Miranda.

Add this song, remove that one - They each need to lose about three songs each. The album just drags.

Much better performed live - Destiny Rules

Overall least favourite - Smile At You. Words cannot describe my loathing for the SYW version of the song :laugh:

[vivfox]

Much better performed live - I don't think anything sounded better live


I'm really suprised to hear you say this. I love FM live. Every song is enhanced to the umpth degree.

[michelej1]

I'm really suprised to hear you say this. I love FM live. Every song is enhanced to the umpth degree.

I wasn't putting down any of the live songs. I just don't think any of them sound better than the studio version. That doesn't mean I think they are dogs. There are none that I wanted to hurry up and end. And we're only talking about SYW, too. There are plenty of other songs that I think sound better in concert than they do on the album, beginning with ISA.

Michele

[caroline79]

Bad lyrics - Silver Girl. I love the first verse though, just not the rest.

Christine come back, please!! - It would have been great to have her on the album, but it's perfect the way it is IMO.

Should've been a hit single - Thrown Down

Add this song, remove that one - I got nothing!

Much better performed live - I don't know about live, but I prefer The Tower to Goodbye Baby and one of the Smile At You demos to the album version.

Overall least favourite - Oh this is hard, I love them all! But probably Say Goodbye.

If you read my: "SYW best album of all time" thread, you know how I feel about this! ;)

[MacFan92]

Bad lyrics - Silver Girl (Ugh)

Christine come back, please!! - Red Rover

Should've been a hit single - Thrown Down

Add this song, remove that one - Remove Silver Girl and Red Rover. I don't want to add anything if they just remove these lol.

Much better performed live - Say You Will

Overall least favorite Red Rover. Just terrible in my opinion.

I'm new to the Ledge and this is my first ever post. Hello everyone! :D

[MacShadowsBall]

I'm new to the Ledge and this is my first ever post. Hello everyone! :D

Welcome aboard! :wavey:

Don't forget to post on the Fleetwood Mac Profile thread on the Rumours forum.

[MacFan92]

Thanks :D Just did my profile.

[vivfox]

Barnabas Collins: "I didn't say she was dead, I said I killed her."

Alas, my childhood hero.

[vivfox]

Should've been a hit single - Thrown Down


You know, I hear a lot of people say this but I have to disagree in the same way that a lot of people say the title track to IYD would make a great single for Stevie. I just don't get the thrill of these two songs.

I would have loved to have EFO as a single for Stevie. She bills herself as a rock and roll artist and so I wish she would choose the rockiest songs on her records as the singles.

Thrown Down to me sounds like a copycat of Dreams but with different lyrics.

[michelej1]

You know, I hear a lot of people say this but I have to disagree in the same way that a lot of people say the title track to IYD would make a great single for Stevie. I just don't get the thrill of these two songs.



I agree with you about IYD. It's one of the least catchy and/or compelling songs on the new album, as far as I can see/hear. I was rather shocked when people thought it was a stand out hit.

Michele

[RickRobert]

I agree with you about IYD. It's one of the least catchy and/or compelling songs on the new album, as far as I can see/hear. I was rather shocked when people thought it was a stand out hit.

Michele

Same. Starts off promisingly enough but those dull Country-esque harmonies that plague most of the song do nothing for me at all. And I don't like the version of Thrown Down on the album very much but the "Wall of Sound" mix is a lot better.

[TrueFaith77]

I agree with you about IYD. It's one of the least catchy and/or compelling songs on the new album, as far as I can see/hear. I was rather shocked when people thought it was a stand out hit.

Michele


LEAST catchy??!!!! :eek:

[michelej1]

LEAST catchy??!!!! :eek:

Yes, least catchy. I'm trying to hum it now and failing miserably. On the other hand, if you want to hear my rendition of For What It's Worth, just pull your chair closer to the fire and settle in.

Michele

[Neal]

Bad lyrics - "Come"

Christine come back, please!! - Um... all of them?

Should've been a hit single - "Thrown Down"

Add this song, remove that one - Add "Not Make Believe", Delete "Silver Girl"

Much better performed live - N/A

Overall least favorite - "Red Rover"

[SteveMacD]

Bad lyrics - Silver Girl

Christine come back, please!! - The whole record. I didn't like this one so much because Chris wasn't on it. However, I also didn't like Christine's record that much. Both records were too much. I wish she'd been on their record and/or they on her record. The balance was sorely missed.

Should've been a hit single - "Thrown Down", "Miranda", and "Smile At You." (How did John not get a credit on that last one?!?)

Add this song, remove that one - "Down On Rodeo", "Murrow..." All I'm saying is that "Down..." is a classic Fleetwood Mac song. I don't care how it was released, it has Mick, John, and Lindsey on it, it's Fleetwood Mac! "Murrow..." could be a solo song.

Much better performed live - What's The World Coming To?

Overall least favorite - Silver Girl

[MacFan92]

You know, I hear a lot of people say this but I have to disagree in the same way that a lot of people say the title track to IYD would make a great single for Stevie. I just don't get the thrill of these two songs.

I would have loved to have EFO as a single for Stevie. She bills herself as a rock and roll artist and so I wish she would choose the rockiest songs on her records as the singles.

Thrown Down to me sounds like a copycat of Dreams but with different lyrics.

I also enjoy EFO but there's just something about Thrown Down that I like. I also think she should choose her rockier songs for singles. Fall From Grace would have been great.

[tabruns]

Bad lyrics - I can't think of any really bad lyrics on here

Christine come back, please!! - She added a lot to Steal Your Heart Away, and that's why that song really sounded the most "Fleetwood Mac" on the album. Add her vocals to the other tracks and add 4 Christine songs (and keep the best 4 of each from Stevie and Lindsey, removing the rest) and you'd have had an amazing album.

Should've been a hit single - Thrown Down, Steal Your Heart Away, Miranda

Add this song, remove that one - Add Down On Rodeo, remove Come

Much better performed live - Not sure

Overall least favorite - Come

[tabruns]

Yes, least catchy. I'm trying to hum it now and failing miserably. On the other hand, if you want to hear my rendition of For What It's Worth, just pull your chair closer to the fire and settle in.

Michele

Can't agree with you on that. "In Your Dreams" isn't one of my faves on the album by any means, but its undeniably catchy. Here's for your humming: la-la-la going up the scale, la-la-la *slightly* slowing down, going down the scale (for the verses).

[jbrownsjr]

Can't agree with you on that. "In Your Dreams" isn't one of my faves on the album by any means, but its undeniably catchy. Here's for your humming: la-la-la going up the scale, la-la-la *slightly* slowing down, going down the scale (for the verses).

stand back?? lol

[louielouie2000]

Bad lyrics - What's The World Coming To. It's a bunch of cliche phrases & ideas sewn together into one very lackluster song.

Christine come back, please!! - Like others have said, Christine is what prevented this album from being the 21st century Tusk. Lindsey and Stevie truly brought some great songs to the table, but there is such a chasm between their material without Christine to bridge it with her contributions. SYW has some really fantastic songs, but it's not a fantastic album.

Should've been a hit single - Destiny Rules. That song is bottled, concentrated Fleetwood Mac. It's everything the band has ever been and always will be.

Add this song, remove that one - Add Not Make Believe, remove Running Through The Garden. RTTG is a fine song (I especially enjoy the rocking guitar solo), but in my eyes, it should never have been placed in the Fleetwood Mac offering plate. It's very much a Stevie solo song. I think Not Make Believe might just be the finest Stevie/Lindsey collaboration to emerge from the entire SYW project, though. It's got some great quirky production from Lindsey; great poignant lyrics from Stevie, and both of those things actually sit well together for this song and aren't battling each other out. They just blend beautifully into a very neatly packed little song. I think it's fantastic.

Much better performed live - Say Goodbye. The weird sped up tempo & cadence of the album version is grating, the live version is just so emotional and sublime.

Overall least favorite - Everybody Finds Out. I very much like the lyrics of the song... they're downright racy for Stevie. But I feel the production is a horridly cheesy afterthought.

[markolas]

I'll take Running Through the Garden, and you can have the rest of the album - including Not Make Believe. :laugh:

[elle]

Christine come back, please!! - yes:cool:

Should've been a hit single - what is a single anymore?:p

Add this song, remove that one - swap Stevie's SYW songs with her IYD songs

Much better performed live - Come (of course!)

Overall least favorite - Silver Girl, closely followed by WTWCT, Illume, RTTG, SG

[jbrownsjr]

Christine come back, please!! - yes:cool:

Should've been a hit single - what is a single anymore?:p

Add this song, remove that one - swap Stevie's SYW songs with her IYD songs

Much better performed live - Come (of course!)

Overall least favorite - Silver Girl, closely followed by WTWCT, Illume, RTTG, SG

Illume was one of the songs I really liked... but your others I concur 100% :)