Betty Ford dies

[Tango]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/09/betty.ford.dies/index.html

(CNN) -- Betty Ford, the widow of President Gerald Ford and a co-founder of an eponymous addiction center in California, has died at the age of 93.

Elaine Didier, the director of the Grand Rapids, Michigan, museum, confirmed Ford's death to CNN. Ford died Friday evening with family at her bedside, according to a family member.

No other details were immediately available. The family is expected to release a statement later, Didier said.

Condolences began pouring in soon after news broke about her death, including from celebrities who sought treatment at the Betty Ford Center.

"As far as I'm concerned, Betty Ford saved my life," Fleetwood Mac singer Stevie Nicks said.

Aerosmith singer Steven Tyler, who revealed in his recent autobiography that he was treated at the Betty Ford Center for drug addiction, also praised Ford's work.

"Betty Ford took a risk at one of the worst times of her life and came forward to share a message of recovery in order to serve others," Tyler said. "Her vision, passion and amazing heart led to the Betty Ford Center, the gold standard of treatment facilities. She will be missed, but her work in recovery will live on."

President Barack Obama remembered the former first lady as a "powerful advocate for women's health and women's rights" and someone who "helped reduce the social stigma surrounding addiction."

His predecessor, George W. Bush, added that "because of her leadership, many lives were saved."

Some of the many others offering praise and sympathy included Nancy Reagan (calling Ford "an inspiration"), and former presidents George H. W. Bush (describing her as a "wonderful wife and mother, a great friend and a courageous first lady) and Jimmy Carter (saying she was "a close personal friend" and "a remarkable political spouse.")

"As first lady, she helped lift the spirits of a nation adrift and a president unexpectedly called to serve," House Speaker John Boehner said in a statement Friday night. "They prayed together in the hours before he took office, and she spoke for him when his voice was too weak to deliver his concession speech."

Born Elizabeth Anne Bloomer in Chicago, she grew up in Grand Rapids. At the age of 21, she moved to New York City to work as a dancer and model. She returned to the Midwest two years later.

One year after divorcing William Warren after five years of marriage, she wed Gerald Ford -- a former star football player at the University of Michigan, decorated U.S. Navy veteran and budding Republican politician -- in 1948. That year, the woman now known as Betty Ford campaigned with her new husband on his successful venture to become a U.S. congressman from Michigan. She gave birth to three sons and a daughter over the course of their 58-year marriage.

The family moved to Washington, where Gerald Ford served in the Capitol for 25 years before being tapped in 1973 as then-President Richard Nixon's vice president in place of Spiro T. Agnew.

Just over 10 months later, Betty Ford became first lady when her husband was sworn in as the 38th president of the United States. Gerald Ford took office after Nixon resigned in the wake of his impeachment following the crisis and cover-up of the break-in at the Democratic National Committee's headquarters at the Watergate complex in Washington.

Betty Ford soon made headlines, holding news conferences and publicly discussing her diagnosis with breast cancer. The first lady talked about abortion, pre-marital sex and equal rights in an interview with CBS' "60 Minutes" in 1975 -- the same year Newsweek named her its "Woman of the Year."

Her candidness initially drew some criticism, but in a short time, 75% of Americans approved of her in public opinion polls, according to the Ford library and museum's website.

But in 1978, just over one year after leaving the White House, Ford made headlines of a different kind. She entered the Long Beach Naval Hospital to seek treatment for alcohol and prescription painkiller abuse.

That same year, she published the first of two autobiographies, entitled "The Times of My Life." Ford would go on to become a high-profile example of substance abuse issues and was a tireless advocate for drug- and alcohol-abuse treatment.

"My addiction was a combination of alcohol and the prescription drugs that ... both were a part of my life, but they did not become a problem until they overrode my common sense," Ford told CNN in 2003. "I didn't know what was happening, I just knew that I felt great and the pain was gone."

Her work paid dividends in October 1982 when, along with Leonard Firestone, she opened the Betty Ford Center in Rancho Mirage, California. To this day, the center remains one of the most well-known and respected places nationwide for treatment of alcoholism and other drug dependencies.

Ford also fought to promote awareness and research on breast cancer, with the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation eventually naming an award in her honor.

She earned numerous honors over her life, including a Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1991 and the Congressional Gold Medal eight years later.

Gerald Ford died on December 26, 2006, at the couple's home in Rancho Mirage. He was 93.

[Tango]

Former first lady Betty Ford dies at 93
Advocate of addiction recovery, women's rights raised in Michigan
Deb Price/ Detroit News Washington Bureau
Washington — Betty Ford, Michigan's only first lady and a champion of women's rights and addiction recovery, died Friday. She was 93.

Ford is widely credited with revitalizing the White House after her husband, Gerald R. Ford, assumed the presidency in 1974 in the dark shadow of the Watergate scandal. Gerald Ford died in 2006, also at the age of 93.

How she died was not revealed. Family spokeswoman Barbara Lewandrowski said Ford died Friday at the Eisenhower Medical Center in Palm Springs, Calif., according to the Associated Press. Lewandrowski says the family expects to organize a service in Palm Springs over the next couple of days. Ford's body will be sent to Michigan for burial alongside her husband, at his namesake presidential library in Grand Rapids.

President Barack Obama called Betty Ford a "powerful advocate" for women's health and rights.

"After leaving the White House, Mrs. Ford helped reduce the social stigma surrounding addiction and inspired thousands to seek much-needed treatment," Obama said in a statement this evening. "While her death is a cause for sadness, we know that organizations such as the Betty Ford Center will honor her legacy by giving countless Americans a new lease on life.

"Today, we take comfort in the knowledge that Betty and her husband, former President Gerald Ford, are together once more."

Betty Ford did not attend the May dedication of a statue of her husband in the nation's capitol because of the rigor of travel from her home in Palm Springs, Calif. Some of her children represented the family and spoke about their parents' relationship.

Rep. Dale Kildee, D-Flint, knew the Fords socially and recalls the former first lady as gracious and a path breaker.

"She let people know of her problems," Kildee said tonight, referring to Betty Ford's battles with addiction and breast cancer. "That is why we all feel so warmly toward her."

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Detroit, said: "Betty Ford ... spent a lifetime breaking down barriers for millions to follow."

Carol O'Connor of Grandville, Mich., said she was "down to Earth." O'Connor was attending a vigil for seven shooting victims in a city park next to the Gerald Ford Museum when she learned of Betty Ford's death.

"She was a real person," said O'Connor, 48, who said she also would pay homage at the vigil to Ford's service to her country.

"Mother's love, candor, devotion, and laughter enriched our lives and the lives of the millions she touched throughout this great nation," her family said in a statement released late Friday. "To be in her presence was to know the warmth of a truly great lady."

Outspoken first lady
During her 21/2 as the nation's first lady, Betty Ford threw parties at the White House with such big stars of the day as Captain and Tennille and Tony Orlando, and broke out of the traditional mold of first ladies by speaking nonjudgmentally about premarital sex and marijuana.

"Betty Ford brought fun back to the White House. That had an important impact in terms of healing the nation after Watergate," said John Robert Greene, author of "Betty Ford: Candor and Courage in the White House."

When she was diagnosed with breast cancer just over a month into her husband's presidency, she decided to go public, using her high-profile role to talk about her mastectomy, at the time something most women hid. In the process, she inspired countless women to get mammograms.

Later, after her husband lost the 1976 presidential election, she turned another personal struggle — her addiction to pain killers and alcohol — into a public cause. She set up the Betty Ford Center, where she broke ground by developing special treatment for alcoholic women.

"She tackled two of the biggest stigmatized diseases and helped to start taking the stigma off both of them," Steve Ford, one of her four children, told The News.

Rep. John Dingell, D-Dearborn, who served in Congress with Gerald Ford and became a family friend, said, "She whipped her addiction. And people admired her for it. And that's the same for how she handled cancer. She's a shining example of how you address problems."

Her other major cause was women's rights, and she was the most visible Republican woman in the unsuccessful push for the Equal Rights Amendment. She called herself a feminist, though not a bra burner, and said liberation would mean women could choose whether to be homemakers or career professionals.

"She was front and center in supporting full equality for women," recalls Eleanor Smeal, the president of the Feminist Majority. "She was very much admired in the public. So it was very helpful for her to be so outspoken."

She was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom and Congressional Gold Medal.

Early years
Elizabeth Anne Bloomer was born on April 8, 1918, in Chicago, but, beginning at age 2, grew up in Grand Rapids.

She developed a love for dance, and in her late teens traveled to Vermont and then New York to study under modern dance pioneer Martha Graham. She performed at Carnegie Hall.

She returned to Grand Rapids to please her mother, taking a modeling job at a department store while teaching and performing as a dancer locally. She married salesman William Warren in 1942, but divorced him five years later. The couple had no children.

The moment that would most define her adult life came in 1948: She met lawyer Gerald Ford, a handsome former college football star who'd served in World War II in the Navy. He quickly proposed, but said they couldn't marry until the fall because of a secret he had to do.

That secret turned out to be beating Grand Rapids' Republican congressman in the GOP primary, a feat he didn't think he could pull off if voters in the conservative district knew he was marrying a divorced dancer.

Soulmates, their marriage would last 58 years.

But Betty Ford would find herself frequently left alone to care for their four children while her ambitious husband work long hours and traveled as he climbed the political ladder.

In the early 1960s, a simple accident — pinching a nerve in her neck while opening a window at their home in Virginia — started her on pain killers. She explains in her autobiography "A Glad Awakening," she also turned to alcohol and pain killers to deal with feelings of loneliness, depression and insecurities as she compared her life with her husband's skyrocketed career.

She'd hoped those feeling would be behind her when her husband agreed he would retire from Congress before the 1974 elections.

But the White House was engulfed in scandals.

And Betty Ford stepped into the role of second lady, after her husband was picked in October 1973 to replace Spiro Agnew, who resigned his vice presidency over bribery charges. The following August, President Richard Nixon resigned, pushing Betty Ford into one of the most-watched roles in the world.

First lady years
After waving goodbye as Richard and Pat Nixon were helicoptered away from the White House, Betty Ford joined her husband in trying to restore confidence among the American people in the White House.

"Jerry and Betty were open and friendly people, and so the White House became an open and friendly place," longtime Ford friend Richard DeVos Sr. said in an interview with The News.

"There was nothing phony or put on. They were so ordinary, and that made the whole thing so extraordinary," DeVos recalled.

The former dancer loved her new stage: She orchestrated lavish state dinners, including with Queen Elizabeth. Once, displaying her mischievous side, she jumped up on the Cabinet room table and struck a dance pose for the White House photographer.

After watching the chilly relationship between Richard and Pat Nixon, Americans got a very different first couple in the Fords.

In 1975, she told a magazine she'd been asked almost everything except how often she and the president had sex. She added her answer would be, "As often as possible."

She persuaded her husband to appoint a woman to his Cabinet — Carla Anderson Hills, the first woman to head the Department of Housing and Urban Development — but was unsuccessful in prodding him to put the first woman on the U.S. Supreme Court.

"She was an activist first lady. She wasn't going to let anyone put her in a box," said Myra Gail Gutin, author of "The President's Partner: The First Lady in the Twentieth Century."

Ford's outspokenness was unusual for a first lady, and it sparked controversy.

In a "60 Minutes" interview in 1975, she talked freely about having seen a psychiatrist, called the Supreme Court's decision upholding abortion "the best thing in the world," said "I wouldn't be surprised" if her teenaged daughter had an affair, and said her kids "probably" had tried marijuana.

The White House was flooded with angry letters, some of which called for her to resign.

She especially thrived on seeing how she could use her platform to help women.

"I believe we are all here to help each other, and that our individual lives have patterns and purposes," she said in a speech to the American Cancer Society in November 1975.

"My illness turned out to have a very special purpose — helping save other lives, and I am grateful for what I was able to do," she said.

In a speech to the International Women's Year Conference in October 1975, she alluded to criticism that a first lady shouldn't speak in favor of the ERA.

"I do not believe that being first lady should prevent me from expressing my views," she said over what was then a debatable point.

"I spoke out on this important issue because of my deep personal conviction. Why should my husband's job, or yours, prevent us from being ourselves? Being ladylike does not require silence."

Daughter Susan attributes her mother's outspokenness to having grown up with two older brothers.

"If you want to be heard, you need to speak up," Susan Ford told The News in June 2010. "If you are going to participate in a discussion and be heard, you need to be able to stand on your own two feet."

While her husband's pardon of Nixon hobbled his 1976 presidential campaign, she was so popular that Republicans sported "Vote for Betty's husband" campaign buttons.

After her husband lost to Democrat Jimmy Carter, he was too hoarse to speak from the campaign. Betty Ford stepped to the microphones, and delivered a gracious concession for her husband.

'I am an alcoholic'
First ladies often fade away after a new woman steps into the White House. But not Betty Ford, whose impact only grew.

Her name would become synonymous with addiction recovery.

Her center became the place for celebrities to go, and its list includes actress Elizabeth Taylor, rock singer Stevie Nicks and piano man Billy Joel. Between a former first lady and the stars, saying you were going to Betty Ford came to have a healthy, elite ring about it.

But that last major role in her life began in a humbling moment in 1978 at the family home in Rancho Mirage, Calif.: Daughter Susan gathered her brothers and her father to stage an intervention, telling Betty Ford how her pill-popping and excessive drinking hurt them.

She'd gotten to where she drank a couple vodkas before dinner, several bourbons after, and all on top of painkillers and sedatives.

At first, Betty Ford was angry.

Then she agreed to enter Naval Hospital Long Beach for treatment.

"I shook so much I didn't need an electric toothbrush," she said of detoxing.

But relief came, she later recalled, when she first said, "I'm Betty, and I'm an alcoholic. And I know my drinking has hurt my family."

Again, she decided to go public, using her power to shine the media spotlight that even a first lady could be hit by addiction.

Relapse, she learned, is not unusual for recovering addicts.

So, when it was suggested she throw herself into setting up a treatment center, she worried what would happen if she slipped.

But the potential for doing good far outweighed those fears, and she set up the Betty Ford Center in 1982.

Her husband, who stopped drinking to support her, joked that she was a chairwoman of the board, but he'd only been a president.

"There is joy in recovery, and in helping others discover that joy," she wrote in "A Glad Awakening."

While the supermarket tabloids focused on the celebrities who went to "Betty Ford," as the familiar shorthand developed for the nonprofit recovery center, she was fond of saying everyone there was a star.

"She made people understand that politicians and their families struggle with the same problems as everybody else," said auto consultant Debbie Dingell.

As age slowed Betty Ford, daughter Susan took over the center in 2005.

Betty Ford re-emerged in the spotlight when her husband died in December 2006. She participated in funeral activities in California, Washington and Grand Rapids.

Even as she returned from the much-watch funeral to a life largely out of the public eye, her children continued speaking for her on breast cancer and alcoholism, keeping her legacy alive.



From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110709/POLITICS03/107090360/Former-first-lady-Betty-Ford-dies-at-93#ixzz1RcOQo27M

[AnthonyMI]

Stevie Nicks, the lead singer for Fleetwood Mac, said when she entered the Betty Ford Center in 1985 for cocaine addiction, the first lady shared her own troubles.
"That really, really made my need to actually fix myself even stronger because when you see somebody that's done it, and you're not nearly as famous as she is, no matter what, it changes you," Nicks said.
The treatment was not easy. But two weeks in, Nicks felt a change within.
"As far as I'm concerned, Betty Ford saved my life," she said.
Years later, Nicks returned to the clinic to share how she continues to overcome addiction. She was surprised to see the first lady there.
"I told her that night, if it were not for you Betty Ford, I would be dead," the singer said.

[michelej1]

Oh, you lucky concert goers. Maybe Stevie will add WTTRS to the setlist in tribute.

Michele

[Tango]

Oh, you lucky concert goers. Maybe Stevie will add WTTRS to the setlist in tribute.

Michele



"As far as I'm concerned, Betty Ford saved my life," she said.


I was thinking it's too bad "For What It's Worth" wasn't about Betty Ford. "You saved my life--I won't forget it" might have been a great tribute. Still, given Stevie's propensity to change lyrics when she does them live, maybe it could still happen.

[SapphireSister]

Stevie went to Betty Ford for her cocaine adddiction, not Klonipin which was really the one that nearly killed her. For that she went to Daniel Freeman Memorial Hospital in Venice Beach.

[Regina]

That's Stevie-medicine.
I would love to hear a doctor's opinion on it. Cocaine, in massive quantities (so massive that it blew a hole through the woman's nose) and (IMO) would have killed her because she'd just be doing more and more to get the desired result, or the normal , prescribed dose of this tranquilizer. Because, really, do any of us know if she was taking...1 pill a day, for example? Or was it a matter of if X is good XX x 10 is better?
I'm not blaming her for saying cocaine withdrawal was more or less nothing because it just took away her high, while Knolopin took away her creativity and her spirit but I don't believe anyone should think that kicking cocaine wasn't (at the very least) equally as important as kicking Knolopin (and equally life-saving).

[WildHearted]

I would love to hear a doctor's opinion on it. Cocaine, in massive quantities (so massive that it blew a hole through the woman's nose) and (IMO) would have killed her because she'd just be doing more and more to get the desired result, or the normal , prescribed dose of this tranquilizer. Because, really, do any of us know if she was taking...1 pill a day, for example? Or was it a matter of if X is good XX x 10 is better?.

Didn't the doctor continually up her dose of Klonopin? And she supposedly made Glenn take whatever she was taking one day and the doctor was like "Are you trying to kill him?"

Quitting cocaine was absolutely life-saving, and I think Stevie obviously knows that as well.

[Bandon]

I wish she would stop wearing those hiddeous aviator glasses. Now she is wearing them while performing...Ugh. If she has to wear sunglasses, why not wear a pair that are cool and not so big. :distress:

[Livia]

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/11/stevie-nicks-betty-ford-saved-my-life/

Stevie Nicks: Betty Ford saved my life

After news broke last Friday that former First Lady Betty Ford had died, one of the first statements CNN received was from Stevie Nicks. The legendary Fleetwood Mac singer sent just one succinct sentence: "As far as I'm concerned, Betty Ford saved my life."

An hour or so later, she followed it up with a phone call - made as she was driving to a Vanessa Carlton concert from her home in Malibu. She was talking on a borrowed phone, since she doesn't own one herself.

Here are excerpts from that 10 minute phone conversation:

"As far as I'm concerned, Betty Ford DID save my life. I went to Betty Ford [The Betty Ford Center in Rancho Mirage, California] at the end of 1985 for cocaine addiction. In those days, she would actually come to speak at Betty Ford two or three times a month, so I got to hear her tell the whole story on just the pressure of being in politics, being married to a famous politician and getting addicted to whatever it was she was addicted to.

I thought, 'God, if Betty Ford can come through this, I can come through it, too.' Talk about being famous and being in rehab! 'Oh no, I can't do that, I'm too famous' - well, come on! She was the First Lady of the United States. So that really, really made my need to fix myself even stronger."

"A couple of years ago, I went to Betty Ford to speak and she was there. And I actually got to kind of get down on one knee and talk to her for about five minutes, and she was very, very fragile. And I just looked up at her and I said, 'You've got all these children here for you, and had it not been for you, so many of us would not have gotten well.'

Anyway, she was so lovely, and I don't think she really realized the impact she had on so many lives. Sometimes I don't think truly great people people realize how great they are - and I told her that night. I said, 'If it were not for you, Betty Ford, I would be dead. Absolutely. So all the songs that I have written since I was here, I dedicate to you. All the songs, and all the poems, and the shows and all the amazing things I got to do between 1985 and now is because of you.'"

"Betty Ford was not easy. I call it Betty Ford Boot Camp. And it was not an easy four weeks to go through, and nobody gets any special treatment there. It's hard, but it's kind of brilliant in its hardness. It's kind of what I image it's like to be in the army. There's four dorms, and there's 20 people in each dorm, and everybody has their chores, and everybody keeps that building clean and beautiful, and does dishes, makes coffee, vacuums the carpet - and she just insisted on it. The outside, the grass, the duck pond - that's her facility, and you'd better take care of it.

And it was tough. But two weeks in, you start to think, 'Oh my God, I'm getting better' - because when you first get to Betty Ford, that's basically what they tell you, is that you're dying. And that's not an easy thing to hear."

"I think her family will carry it on, because it's their legacy now. And if I were her children, I would be so proud of her."

"So God bless her, and I hope she's up there with Gerald Ford, looking down on all of us. Her facility is good, and it's working, and it was time for her to go. She was fragile."

"I'll miss her. I didn't know her, but I did get to spend a few minutes with her, and I did get to watch her speak two or three times, so I'm glad that I was able to do that."

[AnthonyMI]

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/11/stevie-nicks-betty-ford-saved-my-life/?hpt=hp_bn5


After news broke last Friday that former First Lady Betty Ford had died, one of the first statements CNN received was from Stevie Nicks. The legendary Fleetwood Mac singer sent just one succinct sentence: "As far as I'm concerned, Betty Ford saved my life."

An hour or so later, she followed it up with a phone call - made as she was driving to a Vanessa Carlton concert from her home in Malibu. She was talking on a borrowed phone, since she doesn't own one herself.

Here are excerpts from that 10 minute phone conversation:


"As far as I'm concerned, Betty Ford DID save my life. I went to Betty Ford [The Betty Ford Center in Rancho Mirage, California] at the end of 1985 for cocaine addiction. In those days, she would actually come to speak at Betty Ford two or three times a month, so I got to hear her tell the whole story on just the pressure of being in politics, being married to a famous politician and getting addicted to whatever it was she was addicted to.

I thought, 'God, if Betty Ford can come through this, I can come through it, too.' Talk about being famous and being in rehab! 'Oh no, I can't do that, I'm too famous' - well, come on! She was the First Lady of the United States. So that really, really made my need to fix myself even stronger."

"A couple of years ago, I went to Betty Ford to speak and she was there. And I actually got to kind of get down on one knee and talk to her for about five minutes, and she was very, very fragile. And I just looked up at her and I said, 'You've got all these children here for you, and had it not been for you, so many of us would not have gotten well.'

Anyway, she was so lovely, and I don't think she really realized the impact she had on so many lives. Sometimes I don't think truly great people people realize how great they are - and I told her that night. I said, 'If it were not for you, Betty Ford, I would be dead. Absolutely. So all the songs that I have written since I was here, I dedicate to you. All the songs, and all the poems, and the shows and all the amazing things I got to do between 1985 and now is because of you.'"

"Betty Ford was not easy. I call it Betty Ford Boot Camp. And it was not an easy four weeks to go through, and nobody gets any special treatment there. It's hard, but it's kind of brilliant in its hardness. It's kind of what I image it's like to be in the army. There's four dorms, and there's 20 people in each dorm, and everybody has their chores, and everybody keeps that building clean and beautiful, and does dishes, makes coffee, vacuums the carpet - and she just insisted on it. The outside, the grass, the duck pond - that's her facility, and you'd better take care of it.

And it was tough. But two weeks in, you start to think, 'Oh my God, I'm getting better' - because when you first get to Betty Ford, that's basically what they tell you, is that you're dying. And that's not an easy thing to hear."

"I think her family will carry it on, because it's their legacy now. And if I were her children, I would be so proud of her."

"So God bless her, and I hope she's up there with Gerald Ford, looking down on all of us. Her facility is good, and it's working, and it was time for her to go. She was fragile."

"I'll miss her. I didn't know her, but I did get to spend a few minutes with her, and I did get to watch her speak two or three times, so I'm glad that I was able to do that."

[Christopher]

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/11/stevie-nicks-betty-ford-saved-my-life/?hpt=hp_bn5

WOW... Stevie's getting cruelly slammed in the comments section:mad:. What A$$es!

[SapphireSister]

Good to know her entire life was saved and she was completely rehabilitated in a mere four weeks...:sorry:. Like, she was miraculously cured or something. Sorry, just sounds so trite and of course we all know it's not true. Wish it were that easy but her heart's in the right place.

[Richard B]

WOW... Stevie's getting cruelly slammed in the comments section:mad:. What A$$es!

CNN Comments are the worst, regardless of the story. Such ugly people.

[SapphireSister]

CNN Comments are the worst, regardless of the story. Such ugly people.

I seriously can't believe what's going on in there but I sure did get a good laugh or two out of it :laugh:. I actually find it quite humorous when people say bad things about Stevie. Is that wrong? I mean on forums anyway. They obviously have no clue what they are talking about. Say something to my face bad about her and you'll regret it, ha!

[Christopher]

I seriously can't believe what's going on in there but I sure did get a good laugh or two out of it :laugh:. I actually find it quite humorous when people say bad things about Stevie. Is that wrong? I mean on forums anyway. They obviously have no clue what they are talking about. Say something to my face bad about her and you'll regret it, ha!

Yeah, to a point it can be mildly entertaining, especially when the comments are sooo far out there:rolleyes: