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Villavic
05-25-2011, 05:31 PM
So I was hooked since monday re-reading my Mick bio book. This is how he describes the early days of Tango in the Night.

Most of 1985 was spent trying to regroup and reorder my life after the bankruptcy...
...But as much as I love the Zoo, my main concern was the revivification of Fleetwood Mac. The problem was how to make it happen. Stevie had a booming career of her own now. Her second solo album, The Wild Heart, had sold in the millions, and now she was working on her third, Rock a Little. It would be hard to persuade her management that she should come back to us for a while. Lindsey was also working on his third solo project, and Christine was enjoying a huge solo hit with "Got a Hold on Me." John McVie seemed quite happy in semiretirement, sailing his boat and playing occasional gigs with John Mayall and Mick Taylor in a reformed Bluesbreakers.

I was the only member of the band desperate to see it back together.
...As it happened, it was really Christine McVie who reunited Fleetwood Mac.

It started when she called John Courage out of his Hawaiian exile to help her make an album in Switzerland, and eventually to manage her career. Christine had been asked to record Elvis's "Can't Help Falling in Love" for the soundtrack of the film A Fine Mess. She called in Richard Dashut to produce, who in turn said that Lindsey was a real Elvis fan and might like to get involved. Then John Courage called me and John McVie, and in August 1985 four-fifths of Fleetwood Mac found themselves in the studio, cutting this record. This was fun, and the seed that eventually grew into Tango in the Night.

But it was far from easy. Our natural group chemistry was still pretty weak at that point, and it was really the lawyers and managers the Gang of Four who tried to work out a structure in which we could create together. I have to say that from the outset, Stevie's people were great. Mick's in a jam, they said. How can we help him? John McVie said he would be there. Christine said she was in. Lindsey Buckingham alone was fairly reticent about Fleetwood Mac. He was enjoying his hard-won independence and deep into his own album with Richard Dashut.

Eventually we worked to build enough momentum that we were able to convince Lindsey that it might go off without him. When Lindsey said he was in, things went forward.

...It took us eighteen months, working under completely different conditions from what we were used to. We had started out at Rumbo Sound in the Valley, where the basic tracks were cut. We then moved production to the studio Lindsey built in the garage of his house, called the Slope, where we would mix and do the overdubs. It wasn't really a proper studio per se; everything was recorded right in the control room. The acoustics were the wooden floor, the bathroom, the carpet, the hallway. To minimise wear and tear to the property, John Courage brought in a trailer with phones and a TV and a place to hang out.

... Christine McVie came through too, with some of her most wonderful songs "Everywhere," which glistened like gemstone even in Chris's original demo; "Little Lies," destined to be a hit single on both sides of the Atlantic; and "Isn't It Midnight," which she cowrote with Lindsey and her new husband, Eddie Quintela (who Chris married in October 1986).

Lindsey Buckingham dipped into his postponed solo album for four new songs for Fleetwood Mac: "Big Love," "Caroline," "Tango in the Night" (which originated in the live versions of "So Afraid"), and "Family Man." Lindsey and Christine also cowrote two more album tracks: "Mystified" and "You and I," which came in two parts. We used Part II to close the album, and Part I appeared on the reverse of the first single, "Big Love."

Through all this, Stevie Nicks had been working and touring to promote her third solo album, Rock a Little. She had spent a million to make it, and Frontline kept her away from us while they were selling it. I went on part of her long 1986 tour, playing percussion in a hot band that included Waddy Wachtel on guitar, and I could see that Stevie was running herself right into the ground. She was drinking and doing a lot of cocaine.

...Stevie finally showed up in January 1987; we'd been working six months, and it was the only time the whole band was in the studio together. We had been sending copies of our working tapes to Stevie's home in Arizona. On her part, she was dreading that Lindsey, in his producing capacity, would be sarcastic toward her, but he made an effort not to be as much of a martinet as he was with the rest of us. He was under some strain with this project, and lost his patience occasionally, but with Stevie we wanted him to be more objective and professional. He tried to make her feel great in the studio, and they got on well. (The love-hate saga between those two will never end.)

Complicating matters slightly in the spring of 1987 was Stevie's admission to the Betty Ford Center in Palm Springs to get her life under control. This was done through an "intervention" by friends, members of her family, and the management company. Stevie spent twenty-eight days in a successful treatment for alcohol problems, but she didn't like being coerced into entering this facility, and Frontline was fired shortly thereafter...

So the little time we had with Stevie was somewhat disoriented, but she did come through with good songs. `'Seven Wonders" was written by songwriter Sandy Stewart and augmented with new words by Stevie in the studio. "Welcome to the Room, Sara" was a graphic depiction of her experience at the Betty Ford Center, where she had checked in under the pseudonym Sara Anderson. (This song is extremely moving when understood in that context.) "When I See You Again" continued Stevie's string of touching songs of farewell, and was used on Tango in favor of a fourth up-tempo number that Stevie brought in called "What Has Rock ~ Roll Ever Done for You?"

We did have one blowout with Stevie when she came to the studio to listen to the mixes before Tango in the Night was released. After the playback was finished, she began to storm around the studio like a tornado. "It's like I'm not even on this record," she complained. "I can't hear myself at all." I knew Stevie pretty well, and could tell she was angry. Then she threatened us. "All right, maybe I wasn't able to get to the studio that much, but how is it going to look when the record comes out and I might have to tell Rolling Stone that I didn't work on it?"

Christine McVie's eyes narrowed. She'd had a couple of glasses of wine, and wasn't about to be trifled with. "OK, Stevie," she said, "what are you so upset about?"
"I should be singing on 'Everywhere,'" Stevie said. "You should hear me singing harmony on that song."
"I wanted you to sing on it too," Chris said in measured tones that signaled she was furious, "but you weren't here. In fact, we've been working for a year and you were only with us for a couple of days. Now why don't you just say you're sorry and we'll work it out?" Omits gracefully, Stevie capitulated in front of the whole band, and we gleefully layered her vocals into the mix of the album, which now sounded indeed more like Fleetwood Mac. Stevie had been right after all, and so had Christine.

Tango in the Night was released in the spring of 1987 amid much hoopla. We spent a quarter million dollars on the totally surreal video for "Big Love," the single of which quickly jumped into the Top Ten. Who, the media wanted to know, was responsible for the song's carnal love grunts? Stevie Nicks? Lindsey's girlfriend Shari? (Actually it was Lindsey's voice sampled through a variable-speed oscillator.) ....." Tango quickly became a Top Ten album in America and reached number one twice in England, selling more than eight million records, tapes, and compact disks to date. Fleetwood Mac was back!

Then he tells about the following tour and how Lindsey quits, a topic we have already discussed and belongs to another thread. This thread is to talk about how Mick saw the album.

louielouie2000
05-26-2011, 02:30 AM
This is why I think Tango is far more interesting of a story than Rumours. Especially once you consider how Lindsey made his exit from the band. I need to read Mick's book again, it's both enjoyable and illuminating. :)

cbBen
05-26-2011, 03:34 AM
Ain't no Street Of Dreams on Tango In The Night. I think Out Of The Cradle is more organic, though I may be focussing on the parts I happen to like more.

David
05-28-2011, 12:16 AM
Was the Kimberly-Crest house in Redlands where the group filmed the "Big Love" video?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2005/2061792015_3ac272c6ed_b.jpg

Villavic
05-28-2011, 08:51 AM
Was the Kimberly-Crest house in Redlands where the group filmed the "Big Love" video?


Great picture. Yes, it was.

jbrownsjr
05-28-2011, 10:32 PM
Great read, thanks for posting Villavic!

chiliD
05-29-2011, 08:46 PM
Was the Kimberly-Crest house in Redlands where the group filmed the "Big Love" video?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2005/2061792015_3ac272c6ed_b.jpg

So that's where you live now, David? Life in the I.E.?

Beethoven probably would've LOVED that house. But, he wouldn't have been able to hear the babbling brooks outside...what a shame.

Neal
05-30-2011, 07:32 PM
This is why I think Tango is far more interesting of a story than Rumours. Especially once you consider how Lindsey made his exit from the band.

Agreed, 100%! Why the media (and the band itself for that matter) choose to gloss over this period is beyond me... :shrug:

I need to read Mick's book again, it's both enjoyable and illuminating. :)

And reads like a bad novel. "Christine McVie's eyes narrowed. She'd had a couple glasses of wine, and wasn't about to be trifled with." :lol:

I read Mick's book for the first time when I was 13 yrs old, and even then remember thinking "Wow, she must really love being portrayed as an angry drunk!".

Villavic
05-30-2011, 09:57 PM
Agreed, 100%! Why the media (and the band itself for that matter) choose to gloss over this period is beyond me... :shrug:


Maybe (about the band, not media), because in spite of the stormy/splitting couples time, they enjoyed recording Rumours far more than Tango, and memories are more bittersweet than bitter.

Neal
05-30-2011, 10:08 PM
Maybe (about the band, not media), because in spite of the stormy/splitting couples time, they enjoyed recording Rumours far more than Tango, and memories are more bittersweet than bitter.

You're probably right. But considering they've never hesitated to capitalize on the Rumours drama, you'd think they would see the opportunity to milk a new (or at least different) cow...

darklinensuit
05-31-2011, 04:41 AM
If the band played up the Tango sage, the media would probably highlight (mainly, if not exclusively) the ugly Did-Lindsey-Really-Hit-Stevie-When-He-Abandoned-The-Band story. Not a pleasant thing to revisit. In the last 10 years, Stevie & Lindsey have both claimed that Mick lied about that scene in his book. I think they decided that Rumours is the safer subject to play up in most interviews.

- Jake

TrueFaith77
05-31-2011, 04:51 AM
...that and Rumours has sold bazillions of records.

AnthonyMI
05-31-2011, 02:04 PM
we gleefully layered her vocals into the mix of the album, which now sounded indeed more like Fleetwood Mac.




HUH? I can not hear her at all?!

aleuzzi
05-31-2011, 08:38 PM
HUH? I can not hear her at all?!

I know, right? She IS on Everywhere and Little Lies, and she makes an on odd appearance on Family Man. But beyond this she's pretty absent.

On the Tango tour's live version of Isn't it Midnight, Stevie does a great job contributing harmonies: I wish those were on the album.

aleuzzi
05-31-2011, 08:45 PM
Maybe (about the band, not media), because in spite of the stormy/splitting couples time, they enjoyed recording Rumours far more than Tango, and memories are more bittersweet than bitter.

Well, Lindsey has said in several interviews that he did not enjoy working on Tango with the band because their reasons for making music had changed--ie: it was all for money now. The spirit of FM, Rumours, and Tusk had been replaced by calculation, a bid for big money.

I think Lindsey's read was, to some extent, accurate. Mick admitted the reason for pushing the album was to help him out of his bankruptcy. But another reason for recording it was to a make a more assertive statement than the band had done on Mirage, which none of the band were really all that happy with five years on. But Lindsey saw this as a swan song, a great, last triumph whereas the rest of the band considered it a return to the group format. There's an article on the band in Creem magazine from that time where Mick, Stevie and Christine are all optimistic about the future of the band and citing all sorts of future projects they'd like to do with Lindsey. And Lindsey's comments are quite to the contrary.

moon
10-25-2011, 08:07 AM
Hi! I don't know if someone asked for it before, but...why the name "Tango"?
I'm from Argentina, and as you know, the Tango here is just the "national music". I supposed Lindsey chose the name, but obviously I'm not sure.
Anyone know something about that?
Thank you!

ryan4136
10-25-2011, 10:16 AM
Unless I'm way off base.

Tango in the Night, was slang for an intimate encounter.

Villavic
10-26-2011, 09:37 PM
Unless I'm way off base.

Tango in the Night, was slang for an intimate encounter.

That's what the song is about. But what I don't know is why he/they chose that song for the album title.

What if this album were named... "Big Love".. or "You and I"(humm... not cool)

Or.. "Little Lies".. good title for that era :laugh:
Or.. "Mystified"..

anyway I don't see any Stevie song for naming that album

HejiraNYC
10-27-2011, 03:13 PM
Hi! I don't know if someone asked for it before, but...why the name "Tango"?
I'm from Argentina, and as you know, the Tango here is just the "national music". I supposed Lindsey chose the name, but obviously I'm not sure.
Anyone know something about that?
Thank you!

I think it's a rather brilliant title for the album. For one thing, the song "Tango in the Night" goes into a slow waltz time during the chorus. But more significantly, it seems that the band dynamic in general is a bit of a tango, which, in my opinion, is a dance that seems to tread the fine line between love and hate. In one instant you're touchy-feely... then in the next, you're throwing your partner halfway across the floor. You're staring intently into each others eyes one moment, and the next moment you're throwing your partner back until her head almost touches the floor. I love you, I hate you, I love you, I hate you... in essence, the story of Fleetwood Mac.

ryan4136
10-27-2011, 04:56 PM
NYC I for one always love the poetry of a decision like that. I'm not sure it was that deep.

LB was deep into a new album, to get him to give up many of those songs for a MAC album....it kinda was unavoidable to name the album after one of LB's songs wasn't it?

Of his offerings Tango just sounds way cooler than the other options....can you imagine if they called it Family Man?


Although.....Isn't it Midnight would've been a good choice...but thats a co-written song.


An offbeat question, was Tango possibly the working title for LB's next album?

turquoise5
10-27-2011, 05:47 PM
Interesting that Mick says Stevie felt she was coerced into going to Betty Ford, and she fired Frontline Management because she was mad at them about that.

But these many years later, in recent interviews Stevie says (I'm paraphrasing here) "I decided to go to rehab....no one pushed me..I decided I had to quit drugs, not anyone else."

I wonder which is correct?!

HejiraNYC
10-27-2011, 06:15 PM
Interesting that Mick says Stevie felt she was coerced into going to Betty Ford, and she fired Frontline Management because she was mad at them about that.

But these many years later, in recent interviews Stevie says (I'm paraphrasing here) "I decided to go to rehab....no one pushed me..I decided I had to quit drugs, not anyone else."

I wonder which is correct?!

Both: the first rehab was involuntary, the second rehab was voluntary.

SortaSavageLike
10-27-2011, 08:09 PM
You see, when a record producer loves his mixing station very much...

britt0308
10-27-2011, 09:44 PM
Both: the first rehab was involuntary, the second rehab was voluntary.

Are you saying the first in '86 for alcohol and cocaine, and the second for klonopin in '94ish? Just trying to get my facts straight!

moon
10-27-2011, 10:07 PM
... more significantly, it seems that the band dynamic in general is a bit of a tango, which, in my opinion, is a dance that seems to tread the fine line between love and hate. In one instant you're touchy-feely... then in the next, you're throwing your partner halfway across the floor. You're staring intently into each others eyes one moment, and the next moment you're throwing your partner back until her head almost touches the floor. I love you, I hate you, I love you, I hate you... in essence, the story of Fleetwood Mac.

Hey, you know the tango very well!!! Love, hate, and love again...one or two sights are enough to feel them. Is just like the FM story...

And I agree with what ryan said, I couldn't imagine an album called "Family Man" but I think "Isnt' it midnight", "Big Love" or "Little Lies" could be good options. All of them, but not some name of a Stevie's song...
Regards!

cliffdweller
10-28-2011, 09:13 AM
If the band played up the Tango sage, the media would probably highlight (mainly, if not exclusively) the ugly Did-Lindsey-Really-Hit-Stevie-When-He-Abandoned-The-Band story. Not a pleasant thing to revisit. In the last 10 years, Stevie & Lindsey have both claimed that Mick lied about that scene in his book. I think they decided that Rumours is the safer subject to play up in most interviews.

- Jake

Agreed. The sordid Tango drama is too messy and makes the band look too much like spoiled, sloppy rock stars who pretty much hated the sight of each other. Whether or not Mick was lying about the Stevie/Lindsey throw-down, well, who really knows? It may or may not have happened, but the mere mention of it as maybe having happened is an ugly issue that I'm sure the band would like to bury. They'd all probably like to bury a lot of what Mick said in that book. Actually, they probably wanted to bury MICK :laugh:.

Yeah, Mick portrays Chris as a bit of a mean drunk, doesn't he? From the video footage I've seen of her it looks like she was more of a funny drunk, but then again, she did slap Lindsey after a show for kicking Stevie onstage. I wonder if she was drunk then? Get 'em Chris! :laugh:

Sleepless-Child
10-28-2011, 10:28 AM
I know, right? She IS on Everywhere and Little Lies, and she makes an on odd appearance on Family Man. But beyond this she's pretty absent.

On the Tango tour's live version of Isn't it Midnight, Stevie does a great job contributing harmonies: I wish those were on the album.

On Family Man, really? Anyone could indicate me when you can hear her?

Spoinny
10-28-2011, 11:19 AM
You can definately hear Stevie's vocals in the 12" versions of FM, LL, and BL. These vocals must have been what they added after her bitch session with the band, but which ultimately got edited out for the single/album versions.

aleuzzi
10-28-2011, 03:46 PM
On Family Man, really? Anyone could indicate me when you can hear her?

Isn't she the one in the middle of the song who bleats out "I am what I am what I am what I am...." or is that just a voice oscillator on Lindsey?

aleuzzi
10-28-2011, 03:48 PM
You can definately hear Stevie's vocals in the 12" versions of FM, LL, and BL. These vocals must have been what they added after her bitch session with the band, but which ultimately got edited out for the single/album versions.

She is very present on the album version of Little Lies--on the chorus. Does the 12" feature even more of her?

What are her background vocals like on the extended version of BL? I'd be interested in hearing that.

chiliD
10-28-2011, 04:00 PM
Isn't she the one in the middle of the song who bleats out "I am what I am what I am what I am...." or is that just a voice oscillator on Lindsey?

The latter. :nod:

MacShadowsBall
10-28-2011, 04:02 PM
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gldstwmn
10-28-2011, 04:59 PM
On Family Man, really? Anyone could indicate me when you can hear her?

It's Lindsey sped up to sound like Stevie.

Villavic
10-28-2011, 07:56 PM
It's Lindsey sped up to sound like Stevie.

As in Big Love. Mick Fleetwood:

Who, the media wanted to know, was responsible for the song's carnal love grunts? Stevie Nicks? Lindsey's girlfriend Shari? (Actually it was Lindsey's voice sampled through a variable-speed oscillator.)

David
10-28-2011, 08:08 PM
So did Bowie use that VSO on the studio recording of "Fame"?

vivfox
10-28-2011, 09:37 PM
Isn't she the one in the middle of the song who bleats out "I am what I am what I am what I am...." or is that just a voice oscillator on Lindsey?


"I am what I am what I am what I am...."= Stevie Nicks.

billwebster
10-30-2011, 06:58 AM
Unless I'm way off base.

Tango in the Night, was slang for an intimate encounter.


So it's rather "Tangle in the Night" then?

Besides, I have got a question, which the experts among you can surely tell me about. Since Lindsey was working with Richard Dashut on a solo album which he then plundered for the sake of this FM album which came out in 87, what about the rest of the songs he already had? I mean, did he start from scratch when he recorded "Out Of the Cradle" and if not, what are the titles of the songs from before Tango which did not make it onto Cradle?

Thanks for info.

Artemis
10-30-2011, 02:10 PM
She is very present on the album version of Little Lies--on the chorus. Does the 12" feature even more of her?

What are her background vocals like on the extended version of BL? I'd be interested in hearing that.

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About 4 minutes in you can hear her, not sure if she's in it before that or not, but she's definitely in it for a little bit.

Travisevian
10-30-2011, 03:55 PM
Both: the first rehab was involuntary, the second rehab was voluntary.

As far as I know, Stevie has never implied that her first time to rehab was involuntary. I don't believe rehabilitation works that way. I've read that there was some kind of an intervention but Stevie made the choice and paid the bill.

There appears to be some confusion about the actual time she went to Betty Ford. Stevie repeatedly states it was 1985, whereas, others say it was November of 1986 and it was mentioned on Behind The Music(and also in Mick's book) that she received treatment in spring of 1987. For some reason, it has also been said that she was treated for alcohol-related problems, which she has denied. There is also speculation that she went to a rehabilitation facility in the 1980's more than once.

PenguinHead
10-30-2011, 07:49 PM
Both: the first rehab was involuntary, the second rehab was voluntary.

"Frontline baby, well you held her prisoner..."

PenguinHead
10-30-2011, 07:56 PM
I haven't revisted Mick's book for long while. Recalling that they chose 'When I See You Again' over 'What Has Rock and Roll Ever Done for You,' --- does that mean there is fully recorded Fleetwood Mac version of the song sitting in a can somehere? If so, it's too bad it wasn't released as a b-side/bonus track. Same goes for 'Joan of Arc.'

The version of the song that is circulation seems to be like a demo Stevie made with her own "people."

I wish 'When I See You Again' was better song than it turned out to be, baby! It's in the same catagory as 'The Second Time.'

Villavic
10-31-2011, 09:47 AM
There appears to be some confusion about the actual time she went to Betty Ford. Stevie repeatedly states it was 1985, whereas, others say it was November of 1986 and it was mentioned on Behind The Music(and also in Mick's book) that she received treatment in spring of 1987. .

What I do remember is the VH1 "Making of Rumours" video, she says (in the Gold Dust Woman chapter) "after all these years since I haven't done cocaine since 1986 I can talk about it now..."

So definitely the cocaine rehab must be in 1986, but Mick talks about alcohol rehab in 1987:

Complicating matters slightly in the spring of 1987 was Stevie's admission to the Betty Ford Center in Palm Springs to get her life under control. This was done through an "intervention" by friends, members of her family, and the management company. Stevie spent twenty-eight days in a successful treatment for alcohol problems, but she didn't like being coerced into entering this facility, and Frontline was fired shortly thereafter. (Later she told me that the treatment made her change her way of thinking, and was worth it.)

Anyway what we are now sure is that she is clean and sober now.

chiliD
10-31-2011, 10:50 AM
So did Bowie use that VSO on the studio recording of "Fame"?

No he used a different one. ANd, that's Lennon's voice that gets the VSO treatment on "Fame".

Bryan
10-31-2011, 11:08 AM
If the band played up the Tango sage, the media would probably highlight (mainly, if not exclusively) the ugly Did-Lindsey-Really-Hit-Stevie-When-He-Abandoned-The-Band story. Not a pleasant thing to revisit. In the last 10 years, Stevie & Lindsey have both claimed that Mick lied about that scene in his book. I think they decided that Rumours is the safer subject to play up in most interviews.

- Jake

It definitely happened ..

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