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Villavic

05-25-2011, 12:15 AM

I was checking my old Mick's book, in order to post in David A's thread. And, as usual, I got hooked again and started to re-read my fave chapters. I was reading about their reunion after the post Tusk tour gap, to record Mirage. Mick's describes it as an attempt to go back into the Rumours groove. However this may be debatable. Perhaps he refers to the "recording again as a band", cause some Tusk tracks were Lindsey exclusive. But were the Mirage songs a return to the Rumours sound? I don't think so. They were less experimental than Tusk, but not a Rumours II. What do you think?

Was Mirage an artistic success? What do you think?

Mirage, the album we recorded in France, was an attempt to get into the Rumours groove again, but updated. Chris's songs, especially "Hold Me," reflected her bittersweet reflections on her relationship with Dennis Wilson, which had almost resulted in marriage but had ended instead the previous December...

...Stevie's songs including the utterly majestic "Gypsy" were what she had saved for us after recording her first album, Bella Donna, which was about to sell ten million copies and make Miss Nicks the Queen of Rock. Some leftover! "Gypsy" is one of Fleetwood Mac's greatest works of art; for me it really crystallises that whole period of the early 1980s, when we were in our mid-thirties and beginning to look back on our lost youth.

...Lindsey Buckingham had also been recording a solo project, which became the Law and Order album. He arrived in France with two good songs, "Can't Go Back" and "Eyes of the World. " Three others, "Book of Love," "Empire State," and "Oh Diane," were written with Richard Dashut at the chateau and in the three other studios in L.A. where Mirage was wrapped up over the next seven months. Tired of being typecast as the archetypal northern California hippie, Lindsey had now veered from his New Wave sound into a 1955 Eddie Cochrane rock and roll feel.

(I remember some semitense conversations on musical direction in this era, as Lindsey still felt that I blamed him for the relatively weak sales of Tusk. I thought we should do what we do best, and insisted on doing this album as a band. This time, the whole band played on almost every track; then Chris, Lindsey, and I spent months in the studio, overdubbing in typical Fleetwood Mac fashion.)

...Mirage was released in mid-1982, an artistic and financial success. Both "Hold Me" and "Gypsy" were hit singles in the United States, and "Oh Diane" was a British chart hit as well. I think we sold about five million albums. It didn't hurt that Rolling Stone had crowned Stevie "The Reigning Queen of Rock and Roll," and that a new cable television channel called MTV was broadcasting our new videos ("Hold Me" set in desert dunes, "Gypsy" in a Stevie fantasy world) to the American suburbs twenty-four hours a day. Mirage went to number one, and it felt great to be back on top for a while.

I don't see the next words a description of a "Rumours", nor a "whole band" again (though I do see Gypsy as a jewel, I agree with chili's post in David A's thread about "launching a half-assed, rushed between Fleetwood Mac albums solo careers")

Mirage also marked the first time that Fleetwood Mac didn't automatically tour to support a new album. Stevie's solo career was now in full swing, and she obviously didn't want to do a long Fleetwood Mac road binge in the midst of becoming one of the biggest stars in the business....
I felt sick when we stopped touring. Mirage was number one and sales were strong in cities where we'd played. I wanted to be on the move, touring until the cows came home, but the others were less enthusiastic. Christine had sessions for her own solo album scheduled, and we'd been lucky to get Stevie at all. As soon as we left the road, Mirage died after five weeks at number one..

cbBen

05-25-2011, 04:40 AM

Every album--by anyone--is an attempt to get in the groove, to stay in the groove, or to get back in the groove. You think anyone wanted Tusk to be anything but a resounding success?

Christine's songs and Gypsy sound like Fleetwood Mac to me, but the rest sounds at least as disjointed as Tusk, if not more so.

Thanks to the solo projects they were short on goods songs, and thanks to probably a number of factors they were short on a cohesive sound.

For Tango In The Night they again were short on songs (Stevie should have been limited to Seven Wonders, because she had nothing else), but Lindsey and Richard managed to give the album a brilliant, consistent sound.

holidayroad

05-25-2011, 08:33 AM

Maybe Mick felt the band sort of slipping away. Mirage was an attempt to get everyone on the same page. I think Mirage is a lot better than people give it credit for. No, it isn't Rumours, but it is a good album and worked well to give Fleetwood Mac an '80s sound'. Unfortunately, the attempt to get the members of Fleetwood Mac to become one unit again did not work out. Everyone went on to 'do their own thing'.

chiliD

05-25-2011, 01:53 PM

Once band members start a concurrent solo career, just kiss the band goodbye. It's happened to just about every band who's had members start solo careers (especially the main songwriters).

Fleetwood Mac's "heyday" ended that final night of the Tusk tour...after that, it was Stevie & Lindsey with Fleetwood Mac...a total "band killer"...individual members became more important than the band.

Again (and again, and again) I think Stevie & Lindsey should've left the band on September 2, 1980. (the day after the end of the Tusk tour).

cbBen

05-25-2011, 02:47 PM

They could have each been allowed a single solo album.

Stevie had a backlog of songs at the time, but her songwriting was not good enough after 1981 to justify the solo albums in addition to Fleetwood Mac.

And Lindsey should have produced other artists to give his creative side the kind of outlet that he felt the band stifled, rather than make solo albums at the expense of the band (or make min-solo albums within the band, as he does on Tusk and Mirage).

Then again, "Rooms On Fire" and Out Of The Cradle are masterworks that would probably never have worked within the context of Fleetwood Mac.

So what do I know?

chiliD

05-25-2011, 03:38 PM

...Out Of The Cradle are masterworks that would probably never have worked within the context of Fleetwood Mac.

Well, Out Of The Cradle DID work in a Fleetwood Mac context, only 5 years BEFORE it came out, under the name of Tango In The Night...the overall production of both albums are nearly the same, plus Lindsey's songs on Tango are pretty much interchangeable with similar sounding songs off of Out Of The Cradle.

Big Love > Doing What I Can
You & I, Part 2 > Soul Drifter
etc.

Villavic

05-25-2011, 04:57 PM

Again (and again, and again) I think Stevie & Lindsey should've left the band on September 2, 1980. (the day after the end of the Tusk tour).

And not Christine? Why don't you include her? I guess her only one solo album didn't impact on the band. Do you think her songs and contribution were good enough to keep her in the band?

SteveMacD

05-25-2011, 05:45 PM

And not Christine? Why don't you include her? I guess her only one solo album didn't impact on the band. Do you think her songs and contribution were good enough to keep her in the band?
Christine is the most consistent writer in the band. A solo album is one thing. A whole solo career is another. Hell, even Mick and John did solo albums.

Lindsey and Stevie wanted solo careers in addition to (or maybe instead of) Fleetwood Mac.

aleuzzi

05-25-2011, 09:35 PM

Mirage was an attempt to get back into the Rumours groove; ironically, this attempt was calculated in a way that Rumours was not. By the time of Mirage, the primary goal of the band was to make commercially successful music and rake in more money.

I love parts of Mirage as much as the best moments on any Mac record, but...

louielouie2000

05-26-2011, 02:38 AM

The only way that Mirage was aping Rumours was in approachability. Rumours is instantly beautiful & identifiable. Tusk is initially very esoteric & challenging to listen to. Mirage was simply dumbing Fleetwood Mac down for the masses following the "failure" of Tusk. I think that's why I just don't like Mirage. I think they alienated their hardcore fans in order to try and play to a wider audience at the cost of creativity and forward motion. It was backpedaling in an almost sneering manner.

cbBen

05-26-2011, 03:23 AM

jbrownsjr

05-26-2011, 01:13 PM

chiliD

05-26-2011, 01:14 PM

And not Christine? Why don't you include her? I guess her only one solo album didn't impact on the band. Do you think her songs and contribution were good enough to keep her in the band?

Her solo album didn't happen until 1984...after the break between Tusk & Mirage, she probably spent that time writing material for the next Fleetwood Mac album. AFTER Mirage it wasn't quite such a definite thing that there WOULD be a "next Fleetwood Mac album", so she did her own album. It was out of the band's idleness that she did the solo album, not because of a desire to express herself outside of the band format.

jbrownsjr

05-26-2011, 01:15 PM

And not Christine? Why don't you include her? I guess her only one solo album didn't impact on the band. Do you think her songs and contribution were good enough to keep her in the band?

Now Villavic, you know as well as anyone on here that Christine was a "band" member... And you also full well know that if Lindsey would have had commerical success he would have split and that album called SYW and The Dance would not have existed.

Which is fine by me because I think SYW is terrible.

BaronVonBielski

05-26-2011, 02:48 PM

I think it was part in an attempt to please the record company since they all deemed Tusk a failure and were against Lindsey going outside the lines. They wanted Rumours II and they got Tusk. So this was an album made more mainstream at that time...you wanted it Warner... here you go. Didn't really do much better, but it debuted at #1 so it just looks that way.

Christopher

05-26-2011, 04:38 PM

"Mirage" is FM's most pop sounding record ever! It's safe, non-offending, an easy listen, and has a little retro 50's vibe going on throughout. It's good, but mostly forgettable sans a few classic songs. So no, I do not think it was a direct attempt to recapture Rumours per say, inasmuch as just trying to recapture an audience & record label that had grown uncomfortable with their "Tusk" direction.

michelej1

05-26-2011, 05:12 PM

They wanted Rumours II and they got Tusk. So this was an album made more mainstream at that time...you wanted it Warner... here you go.

And when promoting Tango, Lindsey said that he didn't want the band to end on the Mirage note. It obviously left a bad taste in his mouth.

Michele

elle

05-26-2011, 05:17 PM

And when promoting Tango, Lindsey said that he didn't want the band to end on the Mirage note. It obviously left a bad taste in his mouth.

Michele

and somebody pointed out that Mirage is the only album, solo or mac, that he didn't do at least one song from at Saban.

shackin'up

05-26-2011, 05:36 PM

and somebody pointed out that Mirage is the only album, solo or mac, that he didn't do at least one song from at Saban.

Hmmm, what did he play from SYW????

elle

05-26-2011, 07:01 PM

Hmmm, what did he play from SYW????

good point - nothing?!

i was thinking that at least one from each album except Mirage sounded correct... but you are right! guess i always count SYW as just a part of GOS1 - and now when i think of it - he didn't do anything from GOS1 at all either!!!?!! he better corrects that in the fall during the tour... :wavey:

he used to do Come during GOS tour... did he do something from Mirage then?

MacShadowsBall

05-26-2011, 09:49 PM

aleuzzi

05-26-2011, 11:05 PM

Keith Olsen would never have let the band into the studio with the set of songs they had when the the tape began rolling on Mirage.

If the idea was to get back to what made Rumours work, they lost sight of the most important thing: material.

I don't think the problem is with the songs themselves, but the approach to them. Beyond Christine's four contributions, Stevie's Gypsy, and Lindsey's Eyes of the World, all the other performances are a bit indulgent (Lindsey) or uninspired (Stevie). But the mid-70s demo of "That's Alright" is WAYYYY better than the Mirage version. "Straight Back" could have really been something with a more imaginative arrangement.

And then there are those Lindsey outtakes (Goodbye Angel and Teen Beat) that are superior (as performances and as songs) to most of his Mirage tracks.

sjpdg

05-27-2011, 03:32 AM

Well, Out Of The Cradle DID work in a Fleetwood Mac context, only 5 years BEFORE it came out, under the name of Tango In The Night...the overall production of both albums are nearly the same, plus Lindsey's songs on Tango are pretty much interchangeable with similar sounding songs off of Out Of The Cradle.

Big Love > Doing What I Can
You & I, Part 2 > Soul Drifter
etc.

So true, so true, so true.

jbrownsjr

05-27-2011, 11:16 AM

I love Mirage and it's quirky little Everly Brothers/Beach Boys/50's influences. I think it's as close to a Buckingham/McVie album as you can get. I love the harmonies and backing vocals. The voices on this album are incredible. The Stevie tunes are excellent as well. I think Christine is everywhere on this album from the keyboards/synths to her vocal work on Straight Back. I think Lindsey did some extra keyboard work, which I always guessed to be the jingle on Can't go Back.

I don't think it sounds anything like Rumours, and honestly Gypsy and Hold Me were really stand out as far as pop songs. I believe Hold Me was released first and I remember thinking... Who is singing that tune it's incredible. Of course when I realized it was FM, I got excited for the album release just as I did Tusk. I was fascinated by the videos (back then we did not get to see their faces whenever we felt like it) there was a lot more mystery as to whom these people were. The Gypsy video was incredible at the time (still is). It (the video) just added to the sort of haunting mystery that was FM. And there was no youtube.. so you had to watch MTV for hours just to see it.

Mirage wasn't toured very much, so it did fall fast but it was a great 3-4 months for FM because they were plastered everywhere from HBO to MTV and the airwaves...

HomerMcvie

05-27-2011, 01:18 PM

I love Mirage and it's quirky little Everly Brothers/Beach Boys/50's influences.

I don't think it sounds anything like Rumours, and honestly Gypsy and Hold Me were really stand out as far as pop songs. I believe Hold Me was released first and I remember thinking... Who is singing that tune it's incredible. Of course when I realized it was FM, I got excited for the album release just as I did Tusk.

I was fascinated by the videos (back then we did not get to see their faces whenever we felt like it) there was a lot more mystery as to whom these people were. The Gypsy video was incredible at the time (still is). It (the video) just added to the sort of haunting mystery that was FM. And there was no youtube.. so you had to watch MTV for hours just to see it.

Mirage wasn't toured very much, so it did fall fast but it was a great 3-4 months for FM because they were plastered everywhere from HBO to MTV and the airwaves...

I love Mirage, too, and I'll never understand why it doesn't get much respect.

Hold Me was released first. I'll NEVER forget the first time I heard it, riding in the back of my friend's Honda Civic. Halfway through it, I realized who it was, and excited beyond belief! (I still have friends from high school, who contact me once in a while, and say, "I heard a FM song today, of course it made me think of you!")

~god I hate dating myself~ I used to go eat lunch everyday, and a video game arcade, because they showed MTV on a huge projection wall. I'm getting goosebumps now, thinking about how excited I was, when Hold Me, or Gypsy, came on!

Wasn't the Mirage Tour only 18 shows(plus the US Festival?)?

jbrownsjr

05-27-2011, 04:36 PM

I love Mirage, too, and I'll never understand why it doesn't get much respect.

Hold Me was released first. I'll NEVER forget the first time I heard it, riding in the back of my friend's Honda Civic. Halfway through it, I realized who it was, and excited beyond belief! (I still have friends from high school, who contact me once in a while, and say, "I heard a FM song today, of course it made me think of you!")

~god I hate dating myself~ I used to go eat lunch everyday, and a video game arcade, because they showed MTV on a huge projection wall. I'm getting goosebumps now, thinking about how excited I was, when Hold Me, or Gypsy, came on!

Wasn't the Mirage Tour only 18 shows(plus the US Festival?)?

David and Chili know that answer.. they didn't come to Cleveland :( anyway, i think Mirage is a work of art.. i really do...

aleuzzi

05-27-2011, 04:49 PM

Wasn't the Mirage Tour only 18 shows(plus the US Festival?)?

Yeah, that's what Mick says in his book.

aleuzzi

05-27-2011, 04:53 PM

I love Mirage, too, and I'll never understand why it doesn't get much respect.

Hold Me was released first. I'll NEVER forget the first time I heard it, riding in the back of my friend's Honda Civic. Halfway through it, I realized who it was, and excited beyond belief!

I actually agree with what you and Jbrownsjr are saying: there is so much that I love about the record. But notice we're all bringing up the same tunes? None of us, for instance, are singing the praises of Empire State, Straight Back and That's Alright...

This seemed like the first Mac album in years with filler on it. And it didn't have to be.

jbrownsjr

05-27-2011, 09:47 PM

I actually agree with what you and Jbrownsjr are saying: there is so much that I love about the record. But notice we're all bringing up the same tunes? None of us, for instance, are singing the praises of Empire State, Straight Back and That's Alright...

This seemed like the first Mac album in years with filler on it. And it didn't have to be.

You're right I fail to bring up all the tunes..

I do love them all I swear!

Love In Store (great little open)
Can't Go Back (so catchy) love Lindsey's jingles
Book of Love (powerful and getting more intense)
That's Allright (love how all three of them are on this)
Gypsy (the backing vocals, guitars, keyboards.. oh so fine)
Only Over You (great build up.. awesome Lindsey solo)
Empire State (more jingles more Law and Order Leftovers lol)
Straight Back (love it, awesome textures and tones)
Hold Me (simply brilliant!! and great melody lines)
Oh Diane (took years to grow on me, the video is ridiculously funny)
Eye, Eyes Eyes (so damn good.. and it has Pachelbel's Canon in there)
Wish You Were Here (classic pristine, majestic closer love the piano)

MacShadowsBall

05-27-2011, 09:54 PM

With Mirage basically Hold Me and Gypsy were the only hits. According to wikipedia's FM discography page, Hold Me hit #4 in the US while Gypsy hit #12. Oh Diane did hit #9 in the UK, but wasn't a US single.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleetwood_Mac_discography

vivfox

05-27-2011, 11:05 PM

With Mirage basically Hold Me and Gypsy were the only hits. According to wikipedia's FM discography page, Hold Me hit #4 in the US while Gypsy hit #12. Oh Diane did hit #9 in the UK, but wasn't a US single.

Oh yes it was a single in the US unfortunately. I remember hearing it on the radio quite frequently and not wanting to admit to anyone that I was a Fleetwood Mac fan.

Villavic

05-28-2011, 12:01 AM

Oh yes it was a single in the US unfortunately. I remember hearing it on the radio quite frequently and not wanting to admit to anyone that I was a Fleetwood Mac fan.

I never heard Oh Diane in peruvian radios. I do remember Can't go back, and I liked it. I always thought the Mirage singles were Hold me, Gypsy, and Can't go back (I guess I heard Love in Store, but not as frequent as those 3).

aleuzzi

05-28-2011, 01:01 AM

I never heard Oh Diane in peruvian radios. I do remember Can't go back, and I liked it. I always thought the Mirage singles were Hold me, Gypsy, and Can't go back (I guess I heard Love in Store, but not as frequent as those 3).

Love in Store was pretty popular. It peaked at like 21 or 22 on the charts and was played everywhere for about a month or two. I remember it was one of the "lip synch" features on solid gold, too.

I didn't hear Can't Go Back til I bought the album. Never heard it on the radio.

MacShadowsBall

05-28-2011, 09:19 AM

Oh yes it was a single in the US unfortunately. I remember hearing it on the radio quite frequently and not wanting to admit to anyone that I was a Fleetwood Mac fan.

I thought "Oh Diane" was just a UK single? :confused: Regardless it didn't chart in the US.

I guess my main point was that when compared to other Rumours era albums Mirage had the fewest singles that made a strong impact on the charts. FM did rebound greatly with Tango in the Night close to what the Rumours album itself did, at least where singles are concerned - in my opinion. :)

From the "Oh Diane" wikipedia article...

In the USA, another track from Mirage, "Love in Store", was released as the third single instead and was a moderate success. "Oh Diane" was therefore the fourth single issued in the US; it was released in February 1983, but it failed to chart.

jbrownsjr

05-28-2011, 11:10 AM

I thought "Oh Diane" was just a UK single? :confused: Regardless it didn't chart in the US.

I guess my main point was that when compared to other Rumours era albums Mirage had the fewest singles that made a strong impact on the charts. FM did rebound greatly with Tango in the Night close to what the Rumours album itself did, at least where singles are concerned - in my opinion. :)

From the "Oh Diane" wikipedia article...

I do believe it was a number 1 album tho... :shrug:

MacShadowsBall

05-28-2011, 11:16 AM

I do believe it was a number 1 album tho... :shrug:

Yeah 5 weeks according to wikipedia. Five weeks is a very good run and could have been longer had the tour not be so short, as pointed out by Mick in his book.

vivfox

05-28-2011, 11:26 AM

I never heard Oh Diane in peruvian radios.

Consider yourself lucky.

HomerMcvie

05-28-2011, 11:33 AM

Love in Store was pretty popular. It peaked at like 21 or 22 on the charts and was played everywhere for about a month or two. I remember it was one of the "lip synch" features on solid gold, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_in_Store
#22 is quite respectable, in my book. It is an awkward intro though, for a hit. Was there a radio remix?

jbrownsjr

05-28-2011, 03:18 PM

Yeah 5 weeks according to wikipedia. Five weeks is a very good run and could have been longer had the tour not be so short, as pointed out by Mick in his book.

Agreed.. sure wished they would have made an Ohio stop that year.. they were blowing up the radio for a long time w/ Mirage

HomerMcvie

05-28-2011, 03:24 PM

Agreed.. sure wished they would have made an Ohio stop that year.. they were blowing up the radio for a long time w/ Mirage
5th row center in Indy. My best concert experience of all time!

aleuzzi

05-28-2011, 05:06 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_in_Store
#22 is quite respectable, in my book. It is an awkward intro though, for a hit. Was there a radio remix?

The Chain boxset offers an alternative version with a slightly extended ending (John doing some great bass work) but the opening is the same there, too. I don't mind that drum kickstarting the song. In fact, I love it. And the song is my favorite from the album. When all three of those voices harmonize on the chorus I feel genuine excitement.

jbrownsjr

05-28-2011, 07:18 PM

The Chain boxset offers an alternative version with a slightly extended ending (John doing some great bass work) but the opening is the same there, too. I don't mind that drum kickstarting the song. In fact, I love it. And the song is my favorite from the album. When all three of those voices harmonize on the chorus I feel genuine excitement.

I love the kick drum intro too!!

Angel69

05-31-2011, 08:46 PM

Mirage definitely needs the same treatment that was given to the first three Fleetwood Mac albums with Lindsey and Stevie....REMASTERING!!!!! The sound on the cd is atrocious not the material, that's for sure. There is a lot nuance to the tracks that gets lost due to poor mastering.

Also shocking is that Mick, or any of them for that matter, do not realize the plethora of money to be made if they release some older shows on DVD.

GoldDustOrphan

06-01-2011, 07:58 PM

jbrownsjr

06-02-2011, 10:50 AM

I always thought it was unfair to Lindsey and Stevie that many often credited Christine with writing the lionshare of the bands hits when she had co-writers on Hold Me, Love in Store, Little Lies, Save Me, Skies the Limit, Got a Hold on Me, etc.

That's a fair point. However, it's her unique voice that people really loved in my opinion. She was an excellent melody writer and loved hooks. She defintely wrote for her voice. I believe one of the main reasons Christine loved to co-write was to mix things up a bit. She was completely capable of writing on her own, Oh Daddy, Songbird, YMLF, Don't Stop, Say You Love Me, Over My Head, Everywhere, Spare Me A Little, etc.

To be fair Lindsey and Stevie often have co-writers too. Richard Dashut, Sandy Stewart, M. Campbell, Benmont Tench, Cory Sipper, Gordon Fordyce, Tom Petty, Christine McVie (w/ LB)... to name some..

aleuzzi

06-02-2011, 11:13 AM

That's a fair point. However, it's her unique voice that people really loved in my opinion. She was an excellent melody writer and loved hooks. She defintely wrote for her voice. I believe one of the main reasons Christine loved to co-write was to mix things up a bit. She was completely capable of writing on her own, Oh Daddy, Songbird, YMLF, Don't Stop, Say You Love Me, Over My Head, Everywhere, Spare Me A Little, etc.

To be fair Lindsey and Stevie often have co-writers too. Richard Dashut, Sandy Stewart, M. Campbell, Benmont Tench, Cory Sipper, Gordon Fordyce, Tom Petty, Christine McVie (w/ LB)... to name some..

Actually, I don't think it's a fair point. Christine had cowriters from 1982 onward but ALL of Stevie's songs are essentially cowritten. One need only listen to her demos against the completed song to realize that the mere scrap of a song she often contributed was transformed into magic. (Stevie's voice also helps carry her songs.) The degree to which Christine's songs are collaborations are most likely less so than many of Stevie's. In fact, Todd Sharp has said that she was generous with her cowriting credits when he worked with her.

Lindsey's songs are pretty much written independently, I think. But like all Mac writers, they benefit from band participation and arrangements.

jbrownsjr

06-02-2011, 12:18 PM

Actually, I don't think it's a fair point. Christine had cowriters from 1982 onward but ALL of Stevie's songs are essentially cowritten. One need only listen to her demos against the completed song to realize that the mere scrap of a song she often contributed was transformed into magic. (Stevie's voice also helps carry her songs.) The degree to which Christine's songs are collaborations are most likely less so than many of Stevie's. In fact, Todd Sharp has said that she was generous with her cowriting credits when he worked with her.

Lindsey's songs are pretty much written independently, I think. But like all Mac writers, they benefit from band participation and arrangements.

Wow we agree!! Mark it down lol.. :)

aleuzzi

06-02-2011, 04:29 PM

Wow we agree!! Mark it down lol.. :)

Oh, Jbrownsjr! I really value your insight here! I always think of you as a fan with shared sensibilities.

I was actually disagreeing with the person you reacted to...

jbrownsjr

06-04-2011, 08:46 PM

Oh, Jbrownsjr! I really value your insight here! I always think of you as a fan with shared sensibilities.

I was actually disagreeing with the person you reacted to...

I know.. I just like being goofy .. :]