In Your Dreams acetate test pressing: songs sequenced differently

[GoldDustOrphan]

Today I won an auction for an early acetate test pressing of In Your Dreams. The songs are sequenced differently than the retail release.

Acetate track-list:

01. Moonlight
02. For What It's Worth
03. In Your Dreams
04. New Orleans
05. Ghosts Are Gone
06. Secret Love
07. Everybody Loves You
08. Wide Saragasso Sea
09. Solder's Angel
10. Annabel Lee
11. You May Be The One
12. Italian Summer
13. Cheaper Than Free

[WildHearted]

Indian Summer? :lol:

That actually looks interesting. I'm gonna make a playlist in that order and see hwo it sounds... I think I might like that better to be honest. I like Moonlight opening - I love Stevie's long epics as openers, kind of embodying the theme of the album...

[jkmaletic]

What us an acetate test pressing exactly?

[louielouie2000]

What us an acetate test pressing exactly?

http://www.madonnacatalog.com/guides/acetate.htm :thumbsup:

I'm going to have to try this sequencing and see what I think! Perhaps it'll finally make sense of why Secret Love abruptly cuts off, yet doesn't segway into another song.

[GoldDustOrphan]

"Indian Summer" is an error on my part. I was typing too fast. Funny thing is that I'm Italian.

Acetates and Test Pressings are the prototypes and test models of a recording. Before a record/CD is mass produced, it is tested to see if it meets both artistic and technical approval.


Someone posted the tracks from an acetate of Trouble in Shangri-La, which had three songs that were eventually cut from the tracklist. It's where the original "My Heart" originated from.

[MacMan]

This probably explains where the initial report that Moonlight was track 1 came from.

[Travis]

Today I won an auction for an early acetate test pressing of In Your Dreams. The songs are sequenced differently than the retail release.

Acetate track-list:

01. Moonlight
02. For What It's Worth
03. In Your Dreams
04. New Orleans
05. Ghosts Are Gone
06. Secret Love
07. Everybody Loves You
08. Wide Saragasso Sea
09. Solder's Angel
10. Annabel Lee
11. You May Be The One
12. Italian Summer
13. Cheaper Than Free

Before I even made a new play list in this order, I looked at it and thought, this is so much better. I know I’m one of the few that haven’t been wetting my pants over the CD. I’ve been having a hard time with the later half, everything from Soldier’s Angel onward, but this new order is MUCH better. My two favorites are Secret Love and For What It’s Worth but I didn’t think they went that good together back to back. The songs are showcased better on the acetates pressing. Also, another thing that was bothering me was the fact that there were 8 songs back to back that run over 5 minutes long, which I think is too much. So again, love this new order. Yes, I’m rambling.

[louielouie2000]

Before I even made a new play list in this order, I looked at it and thought, this is so much better.

Agreed. I just did a little test listen with this track order, and I think it's epic. :nod: I wonder why in the world it was changed? :confused: The songs flow much better and compliment each other so much better in this sequence!

[Spoinny]

Agreed. I just did a little test listen with this track order, and I think it's epic. :nod: I wonder why in the world it was changed? :confused: The songs flow much better and compliment each other so much better in this sequence!

well we all have heard Stevie rave on and on in interviews about how she's so great at sequencing albums, even saying she sequenced Rumors.....looks like she may be losing her touch? :)

[louielouie2000]

well we all have heard Stevie rave on and on in interviews about how she's so great at sequencing albums, even saying she sequenced Rumors.....looks like she may be losing her touch? :)

I wonder if the final sequencing wasn't her doing, though? If the record company insisted the album start out with the first single?

I think this acetate sequencing is fantastic. If that was Stevie's doing, she certainly hasn't lost her touch one bit. :nod:

[RickRobert]

Yeah I prefer this... with Cheaper Than Free hacked off obviously so it ends on Italian Summer like it should :nod:

[GoldDustOrphan]

Yeah I prefer this... with Cheaper Than Free hacked off obviously so it ends on Italian Summer like it should

Exactly. For me, the movie is over when Italian Summer ends. Cheaper Than Free can play at reduced volume while the theater empties.

[Spoinny]

I wonder if the final sequencing wasn't her doing, though? If the record company insisted the album start out with the first single?

I think this acetate sequencing is fantastic. If that was Stevie's doing, she certainly hasn't lost her touch one bit. :nod:

I DO prefer Moonlight mid album as it is, however think the CD should have gotten a bang off start with IYD as the 1st song followed by SL, etc.

[Etisl]

You know, I kind of played around with the sequence below.....and I like the way it flows... But, I still approach the sequencing as if there was a Side "A" and Side "B"..... so track 7 would be the start of the "B" side. "A" being the softer set, and "B" more of the rocker set...ofcourse ending with a beautiful song. (But, the songs could be played backwards and I would probably still love them...lol)

1. Annabel Lee
2. For What It's Worth
3. Secret Love
4. New Orleans
5. Moonlight
6. Everybody Loves You

7. In Your Dreams
8. Wide Sargasso Sea
9. Soldiers Angel
10. Ghosts Are Gone
11. Cheaper Than Free
12. You May Be The one
13. Italian Summer

[tabruns]

http://www.madonnacatalog.com/guides/acetate.htm :thumbsup:

I'm going to have to try this sequencing and see what I think! Perhaps it'll finally make sense of why Secret Love abruptly cuts off, yet doesn't segway into another song.

It makes sense that it cuts off because of how the song is structured. The same "flare" sound happens during the bridge, and then the song ends with it.

[Josh2003]

Yeah I prefer this... with Cheaper Than Free hacked off obviously so it ends on Italian Summer like it should :nod:

No no no! I know that Cheaper Than Free doesn't get much love around here, but I think it's perfect to end the CD wtih Italian Summer then Cheaper Than Free. It's like sex. Italian Summer builds to the big dramatic climax of the album, and Cheaper than Free is the relaxing, dirty cigarette to end the whole affair :-)

(I think someone else on here made a similar analogy once, so I cannot take full credit!)

[Richard B]

For me, I prefer the final CD track sequence. New Orleans thru Soldier's Angel is fantastic (including My Heart). To be honest, I have only listened to IYD front to back, sequenced this entire time.

[Christopher]

No no no! I know that Cheaper Than Free doesn't get much love around here, but I think it's perfect to end the CD wtih Italian Summer then Cheaper Than Free. It's like sex. Italian Summer builds to the big dramatic climax of the album, and Cheaper than Free is the relaxing, dirty cigarette to end the whole affair :-)

(I think someone else on here made a similar analogy once, so I cannot take full credit!)

I agree. Cheaper Than Free ends the album beautifully. It's a sweet little tune if I do say so myself.:D I can't put my finger on it, but there is something is a tiny bit off regarding the final track sequencing. I cannot help but think that the acetate version is what Stevie originally intended, and the label intervened or suggested and ultimately made some changes. Regardless, this album is tight and a wholly conceived work of music that plays beautifully even when it's on shuffle. I think that in itself is a testament to how good this record is:nod:.

[tabruns]

No no no! I know that Cheaper Than Free doesn't get much love around here, but I think it's perfect to end the CD wtih Italian Summer then Cheaper Than Free. It's like sex. Italian Summer builds to the big dramatic climax of the album, and Cheaper than Free is the relaxing, dirty cigarette to end the whole affair :-)

(I think someone else on here made a similar analogy once, so I cannot take full credit!)

I agree as well. My brother got this album from me and turns out his favorites are the country-ish ones: For What It's Worth and Cheaper Than Free. I got a chuckle out of him grading Moonlight a B and Cheaper Than Free an A- but whatever. :)

[louielouie2000]

I don't think Cheaper Than Free is a great song, but it definitely has it's place on the album. Kinda like the Highwayman wound down and ended Bella Donna, Cheaper Than Free winds down and closes In Your Dreams. I've said it quite a few times, In Your Dreams is really meant to be heard as a full work. It takes all the puzzle pieces to make a full picture. 'For What It's Worth,' Cheaper Than Free is a piece of that puzzle.

[FM77]

No no no! I know that Cheaper Than Free doesn't get much love around here, but I think it's perfect to end the CD wtih Italian Summer then Cheaper Than Free. It's like sex. Italian Summer builds to the big dramatic climax of the album, and Cheaper than Free is the relaxing, dirty cigarette to end the whole affair :-)

(I think someone else on here made a similar analogy once, so I cannot take full credit!)

That was me...

[mikebise]

So, on this track listing, where would you put "My Heart"?

[Travis]

So, on this track listing, where would you put "My Heart"?

I wouldn't, this new My Heart doesn't exist for me. I'm forever partial to the TISL version (the way it was meant to be).

[bluefox4000]

Again I say......Ax SL AND CTF all together you got a PERFECT album......Especially with that track order...wow:]

Mick

[mikebise]

I wouldn't, this new My Heart doesn't exist for me. I'm forever partial to the TISL version (the way it was meant to be).

Well, I love the TISL version, too, but I'm using all released tracks so far.

I put "My Heart" between "Everybody Loves You" and "Wide Sargasso Sea".

I really like this order! "Annabel Lee" sounds great nearer to the ending of the album. And I also think "Cheaper Than Free" is a perfect album ender.

[sorcerer999]

Wow! I also love the sequencing on the acetate version! I listened to it that way myself and thought it was so much better. The ending to Secret Love goes perfectly with the beginning of Everybody Loves You!

GoldDustOrphan, you'll have to let us know if any of the mixes are different when you receive it in the mail. I'd be interested to know if any of them are.

[jeffd8382]

Thanks, GoldDustOrphan, for sharing the info about this! Like most of you, I have also played around with the track order. I also think I like the acetate order better than the released one.... BUT, I still would make one change and switch "Wide Sargasso Sea" & "Everybody Loves You".

I LOVE having WSS follow "Secret Love"... particularly with the ending of "Secret Love". For me, it works PERFECTLY! :thumbsup: The only trouble with this is ELY doesn't sound that great immediately following WSS... but if there is a little track silence between them, it works alright.

[JazmenFlowers]

No no no! I know that Cheaper Than Free doesn't get much love around here, but I think it's perfect to end the CD wtih Italian Summer then Cheaper Than Free. It's like sex. Italian Summer builds to the big dramatic climax of the album, and Cheaper than Free is the relaxing, dirty cigarette to end the whole affair :-)

(I think someone else on here made a similar analogy once, so I cannot take full credit!)
agreed. it took me a couple of listens to "get" Cheaper Than Free, but once I got an emotion in me from the song, I loved it.

I wouldn't, this new My Heart doesn't exist for me. I'm forever partial to the TISL version (the way it was meant to be).
I keep trying to make My Heart 2011 happen and it's hard. TISL My Heart is so much better.

[Christopher]

Again I say......Ax SL AND CTF all together you got a PERFECT album......Especially with that track order...wow:]

Mick

I could never ax Secret Love or Cheaper Than Free (they are good songs :nod: ) but then again I know how you feel about long albums ;) I think they axed the right song with "My Heart" and making it THE exclusive bonus track - though I do not like it sequenced in the middle of the record after Annabel Lee. I resequenced it on my Ipod at the end, because it's the one and only song I skip on the entire record.

[KarmaContestant]

I saw this acetate, and almost bid on it but decided not too since I'm supposed to be spending less money, blah blah blah.

I'll try out the re-sequence as well, I think just from looking at it that I like it better.

[Travis]

agreed. it took me a couple of listens to "get" Cheaper Than Free, but once I got an emotion in me from the song, I loved it.


I keep trying to make My Heart 2011 happen and it's hard. TISL My Heart is so much better.

You're right on both accounts :-). I love the pure, simple yet genuine sentiment of Cheaper Than Free, the words kill me. "What's better than freedom? Being needed." Oh that gets me.

[KarmaContestant]

You're right on both accounts :-). I love the pure, simple yet genuine sentiment of Cheaper Than Free, the words kill me. "What's better than freedom? Being needed." Oh that gets me.

Yes, and yes. Even the High Fashion/High Passion lyrics gets to me. It says, "I love you and I don't care if your hair is perfect and if your jeans are Diesel." :p

[SpyNote]

The alternate track listing is interesting. It's always tough to get the right flow. But I think most of Stevie's albums are sequenced pretty well.

If I were producer, I would have kept My Heart in the standard edition and grouped the songs by the following themes:

Strong, catchy, and whimsical Stevie songs up front...

01. Secret Love
02. In Your Dreams
03. Wide Sargasso Sea
04. Moonlight
05. Annabel Lee
06. My Heart

Deeper, more literal stuff up next...

07. Everybody Loves You
08. Ghosts Are Gone
09. Solder's Angel
10. You May Be The One
11. For What It's Worth

Empowering travelogue songs...

12. New Orleans
13. Italian Summer

Heartfelt ballad closer (and it kind feels like the last call song anyway)...

14. Cheaper Than Free

:woohoo: