Single #2

[tabruns]

Hey all,

Recently I asked folks what should be the singles off of IYD. This is a twist on this. Vote for your choice for single #2! I could only offer a poll with 10 options, so I removed "Cheaper Than Free" and "Soldier's Angel" as options (apologies to fans of those songs....I just don't believe they'll be considered for singles).

[Nightbird17]

In Your Dreams should be next....upbeat good radio tune

Then WB should tie in Moonlight with the Breaking Dawn release.

[tabruns]

Nightbird17: That's my thinking as well. "In Your Dreams" for single #2 followed up by "Moonlight" for single #3. If possible I would also go for "Italian Summer" as single #4 and "Everybody Loves You" for single #5.

I'm feeling more and more like "For What It's Worth" deserves a single release too.

[Macfanforever]

write in .Cheaper them Free.If theis tune get coutry airplay It will blow off Taylor and her friends off the country charts.

[StevieNicksfann]

Ghosts Are Gone

[cristochango]

I really think Italian Summer is gonna be the next one.

[xxxmx]

I can hear Italian Summer on AC radio. IYD, too. Though I like several other songs, I just can't imagine them getting much airplay.

[OooMissionary]

...Moonlight...

If WB would promote Stevie to the country market then there are several possible singles:

1-In Your Dreams
2-For What Its Worth
3-Cheaper Than Free

[Lee]

I voted for In Your Dreams. I think this song should have been the opening song on the CD. I don't know how Secret Love is doing as a single, but I probably would have went with In Your Dreams first.

Lee :)

[Travis]

I don’t think any of the songs are “single” material to be honest but I voted for “For What It’s Worth” mainly because I feel that Stevie’s truly best songs are never released. Also, I think a lot of people can identify with FWIW, much like “Landslide” or “Leather and Lace.” IYD probably is the most radio friendly of the bunch. Secret Love was actually a great choice for a single but unless Glee covers it, she isn’t going to have a hit single.

[kak125]

you know after listening to the radio the other day i think any of stevie's songs could be a single. i heard some stupid song called Barbara Streisand on sirius hits 1 that only had those words in it. really is this even called music?!!!

[Travis]

you know after listening to the radio the other day i think any of stevie's songs could be a single. i heard some stupid song called Barbara Streisand on sirius hits 1 that only had those words in it. really is this even called music?!!!

Music is not just about songs with words. There is great music out there in all genres. The Barbara Streisand song is not meant to be that serious obviously. Music doesn’t always have to be that deep, if it were it would be rather depressing. It’s ok to have fun once in a while. Let the music take you there.

Barbra Streisand by Duck Sauce

Duck Sauce is an American-Canadian DJ duo consisting of Armand Van Helden and A-Trak. The duo are signed to Fool's Gold Records.[1]

In the summer of 2010, Duck Sauce released a track called "Barbra Streisand", named after the singer of the same name. The track heavily samples the 1979 song "Gotta Go Home" by Boney M, which itself is based upon the original tune "Hallo Bimmelbahn" by the German band Nighttrain. "Barbra Streisand" was first played at Miami Winter Music Conference 2010, and gained heavy DJ and radio support in the UK and Ireland, Germany, Norway, Austria, Poland (Polskie Radio 4), France, Finland, Romania, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Sri Lanka. In Australia, "Barbra Streisand" was first heard on the radio station Triple J while in New Zealand it made its debut on Auckland student radio station 95bFM. The song has since also moved to various commercial radio stations and has increased in popularity. In the UK it peaked at number 3. and it reached Number 1 on the Australian ARIA Club Chart as of 12 September 2010. For Billboard magazine week ending December 18, 2010, the song reached the #1 position on the Dance/Club Play Songs chart. [2] [3] On April 26, 2011, the song was featured in Glee's 18th episode in their second season entitled "Born This Way". The song is also featured in the Vitamin Water Revive commercial.[4] The Duck Sauce music video for Barbra Streisand currently has over 50,000,000 views on YouTube as of Thursday, May 5, 2011. [5]

[HejiraNYC]

I think a heavily remixed and edited "Moonlight" has potential. Not only does it need to be shortened, it needs more guitar. Heavy guitar, like, death metal heavy. The chorus, as fabulous as it is now, could really kick some a$$. The verses could also use some guitar riff punctuations as well. It's not that I don't like it the way it is; it's just not particularly radio-friendly.

[ontheEdgeof17]

you know after listening to the radio the other day i think any of stevie's songs could be a single. i heard some stupid song called Barbara Streisand on sirius hits 1 that only had those words in it. really is this even called music?!!!

I love that song! :thumbsup:

[ontheEdgeof17]

They missed the boat on releasing a second single. It should have been released in April. I don't see the point in releasing one now. She's doing Secret Love on the promos now. Where will she perform single #2?

I say....no more singles.

[snicksfan]

I think My Heart would be a great single...it's catchy and people can relate to it. :-) :nod:

[Spoinny]

They missed the boat on releasing a second single. It should have been released in April. I don't see the point in releasing one now. She's doing Secret Love on the promos now. Where will she perform single #2?

I say....no more singles.

Singles promoted to AC radio take a LONG time to climb the AC charts. Example is Bruno Mars, who has the current #1 AC single with "Just The Way You Are", a song released almost 9 months ago and peaked on the Hot 100 Chart way back in OCTOBER!

I would imagine Secret Love will do the same, probably reaching top 10 by early summer.

[tabruns]

They missed the boat on releasing a second single. It should have been released in April. I don't see the point in releasing one now. She's doing Secret Love on the promos now. Where will she perform single #2?

I say....no more singles.

Luckily, it's not your choice. Another single or two would help raise awareness of the album much like "Planets of the Universe" and "Sorcerer" did for Trouble In Shangri-La. In the case of that album, it would have been a mistake to stop with "Every Day", just like now it will be a mistake to only release "Secret Love".

You make the incorrect assumption that an album has a couple weeks shelf life and that's it. Adele's album is an example that albums can and do build momentum weeks (and sometimes months) after release.

[tabruns]

I think My Heart would be a great single...it's catchy and people can relate to it. :-) :nod:

Well, this wouldn't be a good idea.

I'm not criticizing your (possible) love of "My Heart". But you do realize that "My Heart" is a bonus track, so it's not on most of the copies of In Your Dreams that people have, so ergo, not a good choice for single.

[tabruns]

I don’t think any of the songs are “single” material to be honest but I voted for “For What It’s Worth” mainly because I feel that Stevie’s truly best songs are never released. Also, I think a lot of people can identify with FWIW, much like “Landslide” or “Leather and Lace.” IYD probably is the most radio friendly of the bunch. Secret Love was actually a great choice for a single but unless Glee covers it, she isn’t going to have a hit single.

On the contrary several songs are very radio-friendly: "For What It's Worth", "New Orleans", "Everybody Loves You" and "Italian Summer" all have hooks, structures and song lengths conducive to radio play. This doesn't mean that they WILL be played, due to length of career/age/the market, but in and of themselves any of those songs could be on the radio.

I would say "Moonlight" does as well, on the sheer quality of the song.

[tabruns]

Looks like it may be time for single #2. "Secret Love" drops from 20 to 23 on the AC chart this week.

[GoldDustOrphan]

Adele's album is an example that albums can and do build momentum weeks (and sometimes months) after release.

Considering that it debuted at #1 with 350,000 sold and has stayed in the top 3 since it's debut, Adele's album is not the best example, but the single "Rolling in the Deep" was released last year and it finally hit #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 last week.

Even if radio programmers are resistant to "In Your Dreams" or "Moonlight" (which follow "Secret Love" in iTunes sales), Dave Stewart and his production company could deliver videos for those songs to youtube, Vevo, etc. The trailer for Twilight: Breaking Dawn should debut this summer and if "Moonlight" is used for that, it would help.

[tabruns]

Considering that it debuted at #1 with 350,000 sold and has stayed in the top 3 since it's debut, Adele's album is not the best example, but the single "Rolling in the Deep" was released last year and it finally hit #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 last week.

Even if radio programmers are resistant to "In Your Dreams" or "Moonlight" (which follow "Secret Love" in iTunes sales), Dave Stewart and his production company could deliver videos for those songs to youtube, Vevo, etc. The trailer for Twilight: Breaking Dawn should debut this summer and if "Moonlight" is used for that, it would help.

True. Interesting that both songs are higher on iTunes sales than other tracks on the album....and they're consistently selected on here too. Looks more and more like those are obvious single choices.

[Jondalar]

Looks like it may be time for single #2. "Secret Love" drops from 20 to 23 on the AC chart this week.

the sad thing about Secret Love is that she actually promoted the song and couldn't help it.

[darklinensuit]

They missed the boat on releasing a second single. It should have been released in April. I don't see the point in releasing one now. She's doing Secret Love on the promos now. Where will she perform single #2?

I say....no more singles.

I'm guessing she'll hit the late-night shows in the next round, but who knows.

I voted for "Moonlight". Stevie needs to be weird/witchy woman - she can't bring the voice acrobatics (or the blandness) that we hear in today's popular ballads, & she doesn't have the energy onstage to sell a straight-up rock song (or the public would have eaten up her FFG performances). Nobody wants to hear a craggy-voiced woman sing boring adult contemporary stuff that anybody else can do anyway. Stevie needs to bring the Stevie-ness - the stuff that makes her distinct. And that's "Moonlight", IMO. That's one song that nobody else can do. Something like "Italian Summer" - much as I like it - could be done by others.

- Jake

[GoldDustOrphan]

Even the AC chart is now dominated by Katy Perry, Gaga, Bruno Mars, Taylor Swift, Pink, Kesha, etc. and with a few exceptions, it's virtually identical to Top 40. Most of the artists featured are 30 and under. All of Stevie's peer-group have met with similar resistance in regard to Top 40 radio play. It's been a long, long time since Elton John, Rod Stewart, Billy Joel, Tom Petty, Pat Benatar, Bob Seger, Bruce Springsteen, Deborah Harry, Heart, etc. have seen a top 40 hit.

[tabruns]

I think it shows the quality of this album that nearly every track got some votes for being the 2nd single (plus the write-in or two that "Cheaper Than Free" got, and the 1 write-in for "My Heart").

"In Your Dreams" and "Moonlight" are the obvious choices to most of us, with "For What It's Worth" being a strong contender.

Someone write Stevie and WB and suggest "In Your Dreams" for single #2, "Moonlight" for single #3, and "For What It's Worth" for single #4/or single to country radio. :)

[Spoinny]

I'm guessing she'll hit the late-night shows in the next round, but who knows.

I voted for "Moonlight". Stevie needs to be weird/witchy woman - she can't bring the voice acrobatics (or the blandness) that we hear in today's popular ballads, & she doesn't have the energy onstage to sell a straight-up rock song (or the public would have eaten up her FFG performances). Nobody wants to hear a craggy-voiced woman sing boring adult contemporary stuff that anybody else can do anyway. Stevie needs to bring the Stevie-ness - the stuff that makes her distinct. And that's "Moonlight", IMO. That's one song that nobody else can do. Something like "Italian Summer" - much as I like it - could be done by others.

- Jake

True, but can Stevie SING Moonlight live? Can she pull off the first 2 minutes? I have faith she can, but does she?

[KarmaContestant]

True, but can Stevie SING Moonlight live? Can she pull off the first 2 minutes? I have faith she can, but does she?

Surely she can. Take for instance that interview clip from a couple weeks back where she sings the chorus of For What It's Worth - I wonder why she doesnt sing live in that voice. She's performing Secret Love, and sounds like she's trying to force the words out instead of letting them flow out of her the way she seems to do so natuarlly when she sings off the cuff.

I would think she can do Moonlight, but only if she lets that natural vocal take over instead of the forced vocal she uses for live performances these days.

[Christopher]

I voted for "Moonlight". Stevie needs to be weird/witchy woman - she can't bring the voice acrobatics (or the blandness) that we hear in today's popular ballads, & she doesn't have the energy onstage to sell a straight-up rock song (or the public would have eaten up her FFG performances). Nobody wants to hear a craggy-voiced woman sing boring adult contemporary stuff that anybody else can do anyway. Stevie needs to bring the Stevie-ness - the stuff that makes her distinct. And that's "Moonlight", IMO. That's one song that nobody else can do. Something like "Italian Summer" - much as I like it - could be done by others.
- Jake

I voted for In Your Dreams as 2nd single, but upon more reflection I agree with your assessment about Moonlight. Stevie went over the top & in your face with the album cover, it's the image she is best known for and I think she needs to stay in that lane with the next single. Moonlight while esoteric, is also relatable with the whole beauty loving the beast narrative - the forbidden love that can never be. And her breathy vocals on this song are not straining, and sung very delicately which I think would work well for TV performances and on stage. She's not "craggy-voiced" on this song at all.

I also think FWIW has some potential as a single (though it'll never happen), esp. on Triple A radio, it's old-fashioned yet hip sounding, with yet another good delicate vocal delivery and a simple hummable melody and poignant story. But other than these 2 or 3 songs I would pull strongly for You May Be The One, which is just classic, and has the potential to reach new listeners. And we know that they shot a video for it on the crew sheets that were leaked 2 months ago. So who knows. I do not think they should release Annabel Lee that song is too esoteric and eccentric for casual listeners imo.

[Bandon]

the sad thing about Secret Love is that she actually promoted the song and couldn't help it.

I think about this everytime I hear the song...the ending for SL is just totally odd and I really don't think that helped to encourage radio airplay. One thing you can say for Dave, he did something you never hear on the radio..that weird ending. Too bad SL didn't do better.

[Spoinny]

Surely she can. Take for instance that interview clip from a couple weeks back where she sings the chorus of For What It's Worth - I wonder why she doesnt sing live in that voice. She's performing Secret Love, and sounds like she's trying to force the words out instead of letting them flow out of her the way she seems to do so natuarlly when she sings off the cuff.

I would think she can do Moonlight, but only if she lets that natural vocal take over instead of the forced vocal she uses for live performances these days.

do you know where i can find that clip?

[KarmaContestant]

do you know where i can find that clip?

This thread, first post.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=47130&highlight=acapella

[StandbackStevie]

In Your Dreams should have been the first single definetly should be the next single. It can go on pop/rock stations and country stations too. so start calling up the stations to play it.

[Bandon]

In Your Dreams should have been the first single definetly should be the next single. It can go on pop/rock stations and country stations too. so start calling up the stations to play it.

As time goes by, I am more inclined to believe In Your Dreams should be the next single for the reasons you stated. Her audience is AC, AAA and even country...the way it is these days. And country opens up a huge, huge audience. :thumbsup:

Annabel Lee is great, but I think she needs an uptempo tune after Secret Love. Save that for the next single.

The whole Moonlight thing with the younger audience is too big of a risk.

[tabruns]

Has anyone heard about a 2nd single for IYD yet?

[TerraRhiannon]

Moonlight should be.

My Mom, who doesn't care for modern Stevie, actually likes Moonlight. Being the only one she does. So if it impresses her, I think it would get a good response as the second single.:p

[tabruns]

I've given the CD to 9 people who are Nicks fans but haven't bought her albums in years. I haven't heard back from all of them, but here are some reactions so far:

2 people both picked "Secret Love" and "Moonlight" as the best songs.
1 person picked "For What It's Worth" and "Cheaper Than Free" as the best songs.
1 person picked "Soldier's Angel" as the best song.

[YoungAmericans]

I think In Your Dreams or Moonlight would be nice.
Maybe WSS...
but I really really think Ghosts are Gone would make a terrible single. :shrug:

[Jondalar]

I've given the CD to 9 people who are Nicks fans but haven't bought her albums in years. I haven't heard back from all of them, but here are some reactions so far:

2 people both picked "Secret Love" and "Moonlight" as the best songs.
1 person picked "For What It's Worth" and "Cheaper Than Free" as the best songs.
1 person picked "Soldier's Angel" as the best song.

I don't think that bodes well for the album. If a group of people can't choose a song that they absolutely love, that's not good to me.

I really like this album ALOT, but what if each song is just a small step down from a hit. Who knows.

Steven Tyler has a video out for his song. I wonder where it is going to get played.

[WildHearted]

I don't think that bodes well for the album. If a group of people can't choose a song that they absolutely love, that's not good to me.

I really like this album ALOT, but what if each song is just a small step down from a hit. Who knows.

Steven Tyler has a video out for his song. I wonder where it is going to get played.

But do you think if was asked what everyones favorite song off Rumours or Bella Donna is, everyone would answer exactly the same?

I don't think so. The fact that there are multiple songs that people think are the best would seem to imply that there are multiple songs that are actually very good and appeal to different peoples tastes. That seems like a good thing to me, the wide appeal..

He will probably get played a little on MTV or VH1 (at the odd hours in the middle of a random night that they actually PLAY music videos, so not often), but I think most people get viewed from YouTube nowadays.

[dontlookdown]

For What It's Worth - best song on the album. I think it could be as popular as Leather & Lace.
Reminds me of an old Jimmy Webb/Glenn Campbell song
New Orleans - gets under your skin. A great song.
In Your Dreams - good summer radio song.

[sorcerer999]

I don't think that bodes well for the album. If a group of people can't choose a song that they absolutely love, that's not good to me.


Are you being serious?

[tothegypsy]

I think she could do really well with For What It's Worth...I don't think mainstream America wants her to attempt to rock on the radio...I think they want her in wise "grandmother of rock" Landslide-ballad mode.

[BombaySapphire3]

I voted when the poll went up for IYD but after many,many more listens I'm in starting to find myself agreeing with what people are saying about FWIW..It's easily one of the best things she's written in the last 25 years and has 'classic" written all over it.

[Macfanforever]

I know you all hate me.but She probably have better chances if she should saddle up on her horse and take a route down those country roads on to the country charts.then she might get a hit.

[BombaySapphire3]

I know you all hate me.but She probably have better chances if she should saddle up on her horse and take a route down those country roads on to the country charts.then she might get a hit.

For What it's Worth could be released to country as well.If I remember correctly both Leather and Lace and After the Glitter Fades both made the country charts.

[PenguinHead]

For What it's Worth could be released to country as well.If I remember correctly both Leather and Lace and After the Glitter Fades both made the country charts.

I agree with that! Even the song In Your Dreams could pass as country pop.

[Macfanforever]

For What it's Worth could be released to country as well.If I remember correctly both Leather and Lace and After the Glitter Fades both made the country charts.

Yes indeed.30 years later she got to do it again.she can kick all of thone young ones off the country charts.

[Neal]

"Moonlight" is my favorite, but "IYD" is the most radio friendly so I chose that.

[tabruns]

Has anyone heard anything about a second single yet?

[Bandon]

Has anyone heard anything about a second single yet?

Well, SN is dropping off the charts so we should know something soon. RR Online does not have her new single listed as an upcoming add-on to the AC or AAA radio playlists for the next two weeks, but I suppose that could change. :shrug:

Whatever the single is, Stevie needs to nix the concerts for a short time while and promote the second single on TV and radio talk shows.

[Christopher]

WB & Stevie need to act quickly and release a new single & music video ASAP! Secret Love has begun it's decent after peaking at #20 on the Billboard AC charts. And In Your Dreams is also decending quickly, after debuting high at #6, dropping LW to #16, and this week we find it falling out of the top 20 Billboard album charts landing at @#22 with # 15K+ units sold.:(

I agree with most that the next single should be In You Dreams, Moonlight or For What It's Worth. But unless they can do a decent single edit/remix for Moonlight (and possibly also a DJ dance/remix) to give the song & Stevie more attention in clubs as they did with POTU), Otherwise I think the next single should be In Your Dreams - showing off Stevie's more Tom Pettyishrockin' and catchy side, or do a total left turn with releasing For What It's Worth- which could be successful in the same way that Landslide, Leather & Lace or Silver Springs were - a poignant, simple and beautifully sung song right in Stevie's sweet spot.

The song I feel strongly that that they shoud not release imo is Annabel Lee. Other than her singing on the chorus and the end of the song, I find the verses to be sung in Stevie's "craggy" flat voice which reminds me of her vocals on many songs off TISL or SYW. Besides the song itself is sort of a novelty being that it's adapted from Edgar Allen Poe's famous poem.

[KarmaContestant]

WB & Stevie need to act quickly and release a new single & music video ASAP! Secret Love has begun it's decent after peaking at #20 on the Billboard AC charts. And In Your Dreams is also decending quickly, after debuting high at #6, dropping LW to #16, and this week we find it falling out of the top 20 Billboard album charts landing at @#22 with # 15K+ units sold.:(

I agree with most that the next single should be In You Dreams, Moonlight or For What It's Worth. But unless they can do a decent single edit/remix for Moonlight (and possibly also a DJ dance/remix) to give the song & Stevie more attention in clubs as they did with POTU), Otherwise I think the next single should be In Your Dreams - showing off Stevie's more Tom Pettyishrockin' and catchy side, or do a total left turn with releasing For What It's Worth- which could be successful in the same way that Landslide, Leather & Lace or Silver Springs were - a poignant, simple and beautifully sung song right in Stevie's sweet spot.

The song I feel strongly that that they shoud not release imo is Annabel Lee. Other than her singing on the chorus and the end of the song, I find the verses to be sung in Stevie's "craggy" flat voice which reminds me of her vocals on many songs off TISL or SYW. Besides the song itself is sort of a novelty being that it's adapted from Edgar Allen Poe's famous poem.

I agree with everything you said here, except I'd add You May Be The One to the list of potential fabulous singles. It might be just that I've fallen so hard for the song, or it might be that it's truly great - but it's another one of those songs that has lyrics that I beleive people can/will relate to personally, and that's how classics are born.

[StandbackStevie]

I really do think Mama has an audience in Country and she can still do her rock songs too and get away with it. In Your Dreams should be the next single and it can cross over to pop/rock/country stations but every time she puts a new cd out its like lets not promote it I have called radio stations and sent them emails and got no response i think the stations rather play her old stuff than her new stuff. I have not hear one song on the radio of hers from the new album In Your Dreams. They need to get her on all the shows the view,the talk, the morning shows on cbs,nbc, fox news, cnn wherever she can get it.It would have been cool if Glee did some songs from Stevie's new cd and advertise on it too also they should have adverstise her new cd when they did the rumours FM show.

I feel Stevie's publists and record label and manager don't give her confidence when releasing a new cd either. You figure you want to promote a great album from a legend that her new album is excellent maybe Stevie should have done a duet with Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber on her new cd to get some radio play.

[Jondalar]

I really do think Mama has an audience in Country and she can still do her rock songs too and get away with it. In Your Dreams should be the next single and it can cross over to pop/rock/country stations but every time she puts a new cd out its like lets not promote it I have called radio stations and sent them emails and got no response i think the stations rather play her old stuff than her new stuff. I have not hear one song on the radio of hers from the new album In Your Dreams. They need to get her on all the shows the view,the talk, the morning shows on cbs,nbc, fox news, cnn wherever she can get it.It would have been cool if Glee did some songs from Stevie's new cd and advertise on it too also they should have adverstise her new cd when they did the rumours FM show.

I feel Stevie's publists and record label and manager don't give her confidence when releasing a new cd either. You figure you want to promote a great album from a legend that her new album is excellent maybe Stevie should have done a duet with Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber on her new cd to get some radio play.

Stevie most definitely has a country audience, but its the country disk jockeys she has to get past

[Christopher]

I agree with everything you said here, except I'd add You May Be The One to the list of potential fabulous singles. It might be just that I've fallen so hard for the song, or it might be that it's truly great - but it's another one of those songs that has lyrics that I beleive people can/will relate to personally, and that's how classics are born.

I agree with you Karma, I was going to list YMBTO (which has 4 lovely verses, of which I would edit out the 3rd verse for a radio edit) along with IYD & FWIW as being the *best* potential singles because of their relatable and universal quality as well as being fantastic classic sounding songs.

If you think back on all of Stevie's great solo break out hits esp. from her 1st 3 solo albums, they were all universal and relatable themed singles. Songs like Stop Dragging My Heart Around, Leather & Lace, Stand Back to If Anyone Falls & Talk To Me were accessible 1st and 2nd choices with great hooks. Usually her later singles and deeper cuts featured Stevie's esoteric and whimsical side i.e., Edge Of Seventeen and Nightbird. This is why I think Stevie needs something along the lines of IYD, FWIW or YMBTO before releasing Moonlight. Warners & Stevie need to strongly get behind a new single and quick. Stevie best chances of selling more copies of IYD is going to rely strongly on her getting some additional airplay and stronger TV performances of a captivating single. SL was a decent choice for a single, but it did not translate well on stage and even worse on TV performances :cool: