Old-timers... Who's still around?

[xxxmx]

I saw Jill, Paula, Curtie, Pattie, Jake, and Brandon. Who else is still here from the old days?

Hi, by the way.

[sara1998]

Been here since '01...

[ontheEdgeof17]

Just saw a posting from you on the Stevie board. Glad to see you are still around!!!! :thumbsup:

[sara1998]

Just saw a posting from you on the Stevie board. Glad to see you are still around!!!! :thumbsup:

Thank you!!! I still snoop... haha! I've hung out in Chit Chat for years... it HAS been 10 years since we've had something to really talk about, and I get tired of hashing out all the **** on the Stevie board we've been hashing out for years....

How have you been, dear??

[CreepingDeath]

Check my join date. I think I need to get a life.

[louielouie2000]

Check my join date. I think I need to get a life.

You and me both! :distress: After all these years, it's habit that keeps me around more than anything.

[CreepingDeath]

You and me both! :distress: After all these years, it's habit that keeps me around more than anything.

A bad habit I probably need to break. I joined when I was 16, and there's no way I would have thought this board would still be around, or I'd still be here. I'm definitely a few years past my prime.

[Dodfather]

You and me both! :distress: After all these years, it's habit that keeps me around more than anything.

Hey - what about the sparking wit and reparteee of your fellow Ledgies?! Haha!

[mylittledemon]

I saw Jill, Paula, Curtie, Pattie, Jake, and Brandon. Who else is still here from the old days?

Hi, by the way.

:laugh: Always good to have the oldies back. ChiliD is still here on and off as well.

[Dodfather]

:laugh: Always good to have the oldies back. ChiliD is still here on and off as well.


I aspire to be an oldie...:laugh:

[mylittledemon]

I think we need Ledgie t-shirts or something for all the people that last more than 5 years here ;)

[louielouie2000]

I think we need Ledgie t-shirts or something for all the people that last more than 5 years here ;)

5 years?! Them's whipper snappers! :p

I aspire to be an oldie...:laugh:

I forget people like you and Dani have only been here 2-3 years! You guys seem like veterans to me! :)

[Dodfather]

I think we need Ledgie t-shirts or something for all the people that last more than 5 years here ;)

I want a Ledgie t-shirt!!



I forget people like you and Dani have only been here 2-3 years! You guys seem like veterans to me! :)

That's because I always have something to say - with various levels of randomness! ;)

[GODDESS6]

welcome back!!!:wavey:~

[xxxmx]

I kind of remember why I stopped coming around... last night I spent two hours going through threads. Bye-bye social life, hello Ledge.

Guess I really wanted to see what others had to say about IYD. And have a chance to voice my thoughts on the f-ery that IS the new version of My Heart.

So everyone's all right? Any recent trolls? Diss never came back around?

[mylittledemon]

oh man! Dissention! I dont know what happened to him (or her?) I always remember screen names... awful i know...

you hate the new "My Heart" eh? I don't think they're so different that it's worth crying over to be honest. I like both of them... I think the new one slightly edges out the old. ;)

[shackin'up]

I'm still here low profile too. I remember being on the First Ledge with that crappy thread-interface too, but under a different name. Probably as gerald ;-)

[Dodfather]

So what scandalous discussion did I miss???

[GODDESS6]

oh man! Dissention! I dont know what happened to him (or her?) I always remember screen names... awful i know...

you hate the new "My Heart" eh? I don't think they're so different that it's worth crying over to be honest. I like both of them... I think the new one slightly edges out the old. ;)

he was he & i miss him soooooooo!!!~

[TwistedGypsy]

Hey Mariel! I was wondering about you not too long ago. I guess I would be considered an old timer....:shrug:
How have you been doing?

[Musicman408]

I guess I've been around here for around 5 years. That's not quite an oldie, yet it's still 20 percent of my life I think!! :)

[Dodfather]

I guess I've been around here for around 5 years. That's not quite an oldie, yet it's still 20 percent of my life I think!! :)

Ok - that just makes most of us feel like oldies!!

[markolas]

dissention was on LiveJournal on & off after he left here; I stopped using LJ a year or so ago - I think the last time he posted there was in 2009, or maybe even last year. He claims that he forgot his password to his Ledge account and that's why he doesn't come here anymore, but I think that's BS. He got into a serious relationship, iirc. I remember him bitching about his bf wanting to get married, but I dunno if that ever happened. Basically, I think he just got a life.

[Josh2003]

I miss Arizona Ranger.

[sara1998]

I kind of remember why I stopped coming around... last night I spent two hours going through threads. Bye-bye social life, hello Ledge.

Guess I really wanted to see what others had to say about IYD. And have a chance to voice my thoughts on the f-ery that IS the new version of My Heart.

So everyone's all right? Any recent trolls? Diss never came back around?

I miss trolls.

[skcin]

I saw Jill, Paula, Curtie, Pattie, Jake, and Brandon. Who else is still here from the old days?

Hi, by the way.

Hey lady! Did I last see you at the pool at the Flamingo in Vegas? Or having pie at Earl's? :laugh:

[GypsySorcerer]

dissention was on LiveJournal on & off after he left here; I stopped using LJ a year or so ago - I think the last time he posted there was in 2009, or maybe even last year. He claims that he forgot his password to his Ledge account and that's why he doesn't come here anymore, but I think that's BS. He got into a serious relationship, iirc. I remember him bitching about his bf wanting to get married, but I dunno if that ever happened. Basically, I think he just got a life.

And he's still has more posts than anyone else! :laugh:

Yeah, I don't think he lost his password. I think he moved on, lost interest in FM, etc. I'd be curious if he's picked up In Your Dreams.

And welcome back, Mariel! :wavey:

[kak125]

i am still here too!!! i swear the ledge is the only website i make sure to check daily if not constantly -ha ha!!! i love it!

[chiliD]

chiliD (aka Methusela) is still here. Crankier & grumpier than ever. :nod: :shrug:

[HejiraNYC]

I miss trolls.

I miss irishgrl. :distress:

[markolas]

And he's still has more posts than anyone else! :laugh:

Does he really? :laugh: I don't think he's posted here in 5 years!

The Ledge hasn't had a good troll in a long time.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

So 2001 makes me an old timer?

[HomerMcvie]

Thank you!!! I still snoop... haha! I've hung out in Chit Chat for years... it HAS been 10 years since we've had something to really talk about, and I get tired of hashing out all the **** on the Stevie board we've been hashing out for years....

How have you been, dear??

2003 here.

I know, most of the topics, about the 50th time I posted my opinion, I was done doing so. "Chris is the heart, Steve E. sucks, Lindsey's a girl, Mick's dumb, and John's cool".:wavey: How many times can I say it?

So yeah, Chit Shat is about the only forum I visit any more.

Dissention and Amber, are the ones that I'm really curious, as to their whereabouts.

[BTFLCHLD]

I'd be more curious why a thread I created last night titled MIA in an effort to find out what happened to a Ledgie that has been here for over a decade has suddenly disappeared. The first response was that he was banned. I signed off shortly afterwards and now the thread is gone. Is there an unwritten rule I have broken? I had no idea this person had been banned. Is asking about someone who has been a fixture here on The Ledge verboten when they have become banned? I wanted to send the person a PM asking about an FM statistic, as I often would, and found they are no longer on the Member List.

A PM would have been nice.

Laterz friend. Sorry to see you go. [end]


I have been here since 2004 and was recently remarking that it is hard to believe all this time has passed.

[fumidesigns]

I saw Jill, Paula, Curtie, Pattie, Jake, and Brandon. Who else is still here from the old days?

Hi, by the way.

i recently came back. my name was tyshiria on here back in the day.

[CreepingDeath]

I'm curious about-

Kelly (SoftSilverChain, on BN)
Sharon (Sulamith)
Amber
dissention
TedDansonInAHat

[WildHeart69]

I'm curious about-

TedDansonInAHat


Ha! still best SN on the ledge, along w/ wetcamelfood.


I could be considered a relative "oldie" by join date, but I lurked for years after joining. I still dont get to post very often!

[camchristo]

I'd be more curious why a thread I created last night titled MIA in an effort to find out what happened to a Ledgie that has been here for over a decade has suddenly disappeared. The first response was that he was banned. I signed off shortly afterwards and now the thread is gone. Is there an unwritten rule I have broken? I had no idea this person had been banned. Is asking about someone who has been a fixture here on The Ledge verboten when they have become banned? I wanted to send the person a PM asking about an FM statistic, as I often would, and found they are no longer on the Member List.

A PM would have been nice.

Laterz friend. Sorry to see you go. [end]


I have been here since 2004 and was recently remarking that it is hard to believe all this time has passed.

Would that be David MN you're talking about? He's been strangely silent since the release of the new album.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Would that be David MN you're talking about? He's been strangely silent since the release of the new album.

I see he has been removed from the member's list.

[WildHeart69]

I see he has been removed from the member's list.

Wow, yeah! I agree w/ Cam, I thought he had been particularly silent as well... I guess we know why

[BTFLCHLD]

IDK maybe there has been an 86 of sorts for a number of members. :confused:

I miss Amber.

[camchristo]

IDK maybe there has been an 86 of sorts for a number of members. :confused:

I miss Amber.

If you find old posts of his, it still shows him as an addicted ledgie as opposed to a moderator (which happens when someone first gets bant) or just registered, which is what bant people have by their name.


I seem to recall him going off on someone last time he was around. :shrug:

[louielouie2000]

IDK maybe there has been an 86 of sorts for a number of members. :confused:

A couple of folks are out on temporary disciplinary leave which removes them from the member list, while others may have disappeared from the member list because they haven't logged in in so long that their account has been automatically deactivated. Some past members also come to us and ask that their screennames be removed since they're done with their Ledge tenure, and won't be back. There are a variety of reasons why some folks no longer show up on the member list.

[GODDESS6]

IDK maybe there has been an 86 of sorts for a number of members. :confused:

I miss Amber.

me too, she was great!!!~

[BTFLCHLD]

:shrug: I was wondering about LukeA not DMN. Just seemed strange my thread was removed. I guess when people are banned they cease to exist.

anyways.

really louie? I seem to recall thread discussion in the Ledge Board area stating that members can NOT be removed at all. Maybe the system has changed. I recall writing "it's nice to know I can always come back if I have spent time away."

Time for ME to clean house.
Let's watch the numbers fall. :lol:

[louielouie2000]

I was wondering about LukeA not DMN. Just seemed strange my thread was removed. I guess when people are banned they cease to exist.

Have you not noticed it's back? :shrug:

really louie? I seem to recall thread discussion in the Ledge Board area stating that members can NOT be removed at all. Maybe the system has changed. I recall writing "it's nice to know I can always come back if I have spent time away."

Sorry I was unclear. Members may be removed from the public member list, but they're still on our administrator/control panel member list. :) Screennames automatically disappear from the public member list when a user is suspended or banned. Other people have various reasons why they don't want their screennames to show up anymore once they leave the Ledge: they don't want to be found by perspective employers, spouses, etc.

[BTFLCHLD]

me too, she was great!!!~

gosh what a blast. fun times with RED.
I trust they are all fine and happy and well. :angel:

[BTFLCHLD]

Have you not noticed it's back? :shrug: as I said I was only curious. Yes, I see the thread has returned. But I have my answer and would rather not have further discussion. I will be removing of my own accord shortly. Thanks.

[BTFLCHLD]

Other people have various reasons why they don't want their screennames to show up anymore once they leave the Ledge: they don't want to be found by perspective employers, spouses, etc. Good to know we have the option available to us now. Thanks.


sorry for the OT.

[DrummerDeanna]

Old timer here! I don't post much - but still lurk from time to time.

[GODDESS6]

Old timer here! I don't post much - but still lurk from time to time.

i was glad to see you back!!!~

[sara1998]

i was glad to see you back!!!~

I'm glad to see Deanna too!

Oh, Jill, Sara has officially passed me in height. She's 2 inches taller than me now! How's your son??

[GODDESS6]

I'm glad to see Deanna too!

Oh, Jill, Sara has officially passed me in height. She's 2 inches taller than me now! How's your son??

about the same, he is my height & his shoes are too big for me~ they are growing like weeds i tell ya, seems like just yesterday they were are wee ones~

[sara1998]

about the same, he is my height & his shoes are too big for me~ they are growing like weeds i tell ya, seems like just yesterday they were are wee ones~

Gosh, I know. Sara wears a size 10.5 shoe! I haven't been able to wear her shoes in a long time!

[GODDESS6]

Gosh, I know. Sara wears a size 10.5 shoe! I haven't been able to wear her shoes in a long time!

sounds like she's gonna be a tall drink of water~ i'm hoping dylan gets my brothers height~

[sara1998]

sounds like she's gonna be a tall drink of water~ i'm hoping dylan gets my brothers height~

Poor girl... I lovingly call her Sasquatch.

[GypsySorcerer]

I'm curious about-

Kelly (SoftSilverChain, on BN)
Sharon (Sulamith)
Amber
dissention
TedDansonInAHat

Yes, haven't heard/read anything about them in quite some time. Amber just disappeared.

I also haven't seen much of Brian J. around lately.

[golden braid]

Dissention and Amber, are the ones that I'm really curious, as to their whereabouts.

I miss Amber too. We used to be in contact with each other and would go to Lindsey and Stevie shows together. The last time I talked to her was about a year ago. She didn't have a phone/phone number anymore nor did she still have a computer. I still get spam from her old email address daily, though. I have no way of contacting her now. I hope she is doing okay. :(

[markolas]

I miss Amber too. We used to be in contact with each other and would go to Lindsey and Stevie shows together. The last time I talked to her was about a year ago. She didn't have a phone/phone number anymore nor did she still have a computer. I still get spam from her old email address daily, though. I have no way of contacting her now. I hope she is doing okay. :(

I've always wondered how she's doing. I'm glad to see that someone has talked to her in the last couple of years, at least. She sent me a message on MySpace about 3 or 4 years ago (I don't even have a MySpace account anymore), and that was the last I heard from her.

[skcin]

And he's still has more posts than anyone else! :laugh:

Yeah, I don't think he lost his password. I think he moved on, lost interest in FM, etc. I'd be curious if he's picked up In Your Dreams.

And welcome back, Mariel! :wavey:

I doubt it. :laugh:

I miss irishgrl. :distress:

To each their own...

I miss Amber too. We used to be in contact with each other and would go to Lindsey and Stevie shows together. The last time I talked to her was about a year ago. She didn't have a phone/phone number anymore nor did she still have a computer. I still get spam from her old email address daily, though. I have no way of contacting her now. I hope she is doing okay. :(

Wow, really? No phone or email? Geez. She sent me a random message on my Youtube about a year ago (?) but I replied & she never responded. No clue what she's up to or how she's doing.

Good to see you here Deb. Still have your horse?

[xxxmx]

I saw a bunch of you guys at NOTS last year. This is my first year missing and I don't like it, so next year it's ON.

I remember when life was good, before I got a job and stuff, when we would fly around and travel to see the shows... Brit - how's the mini man?

Dissy get the new album? I'm sure he's off somewhere listening behind a locked door so no one will know. We all remember how excited he was once-upon-a-time...

Where did Reebok go? Was there a spectacular end? Hey, Bok, if you're out there lurking, what was UP?

[TwistedGypsy]

My mini-man is great. He's 5 and a total mess! I've asked Curt and Jason, but do you still have the video of all of us doing Stand Back in Vegas? I'd give my left arm to see that again. Glad you are back around!

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/221925_10150173555101755_685841754_7205803_5467068_n.jpg
My little monster Mason...I tried to get him to watch Stevie on Ellen today. He asked why she was dancing?

[sara1998]

My mini-man is great. He's 5 and a total mess! I've asked Curt and Jason, but do you still have the video of all of us doing Stand Back in Vegas? I'd give my left arm to see that again. Glad you are back around!

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/221925_10150173555101755_685841754_7205803_5467068_n.jpg
My little monster Mason...I tried to get him to watch Stevie on Ellen today. He asked why she was dancing?

My God I love kids... And that one is too cute!

[xxxmx]

My mini-man is great. He's 5 and a total mess! I've asked Curt and Jason, but do you still have the video of all of us doing Stand Back in Vegas? I'd give my left arm to see that again. Glad you are back around!

Probably on a backup of my old computer. That was almost SIX YEARS AGO, by the way... Lord help us if I go through those files and upload the evidence!! I'll look, I promise.

And that kid looks exactly like you. :nod:

[TwistedGypsy]

Thanks, we've been hanging out together ALL day. He got sick at school. And when you ever do find it you know where to find me. I look forward to it.

[Macfanforever]

I've been floating around since 2003.I sank a couple of times due to personal problems and the loss of my sister and my mother.but I manage to get my head back above water to get back to the swing of things.With the Ledge and a couple of other sites is my only connection to find out whats going on with Stevie and FM.I'm sorry to say NicksFix is not cutting it.

[golden braid]

Good to see you here Deb. Still have your horse?

Hey Paula. :wavey: I don't have a horse right now but I still ride some. I'm a first year veterinary student so I'm not making any money to really afford a horse. Hopefully when I'm done and I have a job I will get a horse again.

[BombaySapphire3]

I really miss Mari,.Rickypt and Amber as well.Strange that she doesn't have a computer or phone though.I hope she's not homeless or something:shrug:Maybe she 's just doesn't want to be tied down or found and is a true free spirit.

[sparky]

I saw Jill, Paula, Curtie, Pattie, Jake, and Brandon. Who else is still here from the old days?

Hi, by the way.


Hi Mariel. And Niki.

I know you still have my armpit on speed dial Niki.

:eek:

Mariel did we see you at NOTS last year? I was with Salvatore and Jazzy outside
for much of the night.

I post rarely but read and smirk and glean info.

The Boys Went Home.

[xxxmx]

...
Mariel did we see you at NOTS last year? I was with Salvatore and Jazzy outside
for much of the night.

I post rarely but read and smirk and glean info.

The Boys Went Home.

:wavey:

Was at NOTS, but spent most of the time inside. Didn't see you, but really, it's been so long that the only way I'd know you were you would be if you had your hand in the air. That armpit is very recognizable!

[skcin]

My mini-man is great. He's 5 and a total mess! I've asked Curt and Jason, but do you still have the video of all of us doing Stand Back in Vegas? I'd give my left arm to see that again. Glad you are back around!

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/221925_10150173555101755_685841754_7205803_5467068_n.jpg
My little monster Mason...I tried to get him to watch Stevie on Ellen today. He asked why she was dancing?

He's gorgeous!

Probably on a backup of my old computer. That was almost SIX YEARS AGO, by the way... Lord help us if I go through those files and upload the evidence!! I'll look, I promise.


I know, right? Hard to believe.

With the Ledge and a couple of other sites is my only connection to find out whats going on with Stevie and FM.I'm sorry to say NicksFix is not cutting it.

I'm with you.

Hey Paula. :wavey: I don't have a horse right now but I still ride some. I'm a first year veterinary student so I'm not making any money to really afford a horse. Hopefully when I'm done and I have a job I will get a horse again.

Good for you! :thumbsup:

I really miss Mari,.Rickypt and Amber as well.Strange that she doesn't have a computer or phone though.I hope she's not homeless or something:shrug:Maybe she 's just doesn't want to be tied down or found and is a true free spirit.

I hope not. But I guess it's a possibility. :(

:wavey:
Was at NOTS, but spent most of the time inside. Didn't see you, but really, it's been so long that the only way I'd know you were you would be if you had your hand in the air. That armpit is very recognizable!

OMG, dude, we were there last year! :mad:

[ontheEdgeof17]

OMG, dude, we were there last year! :mad:

I thought you met her and her friend Allison? :shrug: I went downstairs to say hello, I do remember that.

[Kelly]

A bad habit I probably need to break. I joined when I was 16, and there's no way I would have thought this board would still be around, or I'd still be here. I'm definitely a few years past my prime.

:wavey:

Still read but don't really post.

[skcin]

I thought you met her and her friend Allison? :shrug: I went downstairs to say hello, I do remember that.

WAIT! I do remember! I DID see you Mariel! But I ran into you outside, not downstairs. I think I was smoking. Which is odd because I quit 10 years ago. :p

[CreepingDeath]

:wavey:

Still read but don't really post.

Aww, Kelly. :xoxo:

I wish you would post, but at least I know you're ok. I thought you fell in a volcano or something.

[BTFLCHLD]

Niki. how come whenever I see youve typed my name i fall back against my chair with one of these :D?

cuz i love you, cowboy.

[GarboSpeaks!]

My join date is 2004, but I am sure I have been w/ The Ledge since 2001. I had an account under silentgarbo, but it was a huge mess to re-activate it, so I just started the GS! user name. As GS! I've lost my password atleast 4 times but have managed to keep this name going for 6+ years. Does that qualify me??? I need to find the huge Ledgie gathering pic from the SN 4 night stint in Vegas. Lots and lots of good peeps (old-timeys) there. :lol:

[AliceLover]

Still here, but mainly just read!

[xxxmx]

I need to find the huge Ledgie gathering pic from the SN 4 night stint in Vegas. Lots and lots of good peeps (old-timeys) there. :lol:

I have my name sticker in my Stevie shrine. We closed that place and they had to ask us to leave... but the party continued!!

Wish there were something like that happening again. I know she does off-the-cuff shows, but for some reason that first stint in Vegas was MAGICAL.

[GarboSpeaks!]

We closed that place and they had to ask us to leave... but the party continued!!


"You know Lori, I hadn't ever really liked you. Almost hit you with my car once...." and I KEPT talking. OY. Thank god all parties were sauced enough to smile, nod, laugh and order another round!

[SuzeQuze]

I think we need Ledgie t-shirts or something for all the people that last more than 5 years here ;)

Your post count here is 6,666!

I'm here. I have been very inactive for years. My FB addiction eclipsed this one. Also like Maria said, with no new material I really don't come here. This new album has been a really fun reunion for us all I think.

[SuzeQuze]

I kind of remember why I stopped coming around... last night I spent two hours going through threads. Bye-bye social life, hello Ledge...

Same here, that's okay occasionally but I can easily get out of control.

[SuzeQuze]

Hi Mariel. And Niki.

I know you still have my armpit on speed dial Niki.

:eek:

Mariel did we see you at NOTS last year? I was with Salvatore and Jazzy outside
for much of the night.

I post rarely but read and smirk and glean info.

The Boys Went Home.

You were there last year? Dammit I missed you!

[SuzeQuze]

I have my name sticker in my Stevie shrine. We closed that place and they had to ask us to leave... but the party continued!!

Wish there were something like that happening again. I know she does off-the-cuff shows, but for some reason that first stint in Vegas was MAGICAL.

It was, it was a pleasure to meet all of you. I can't believe you still have your sticker! Although, I still have the extra copies of everyone's stickers that I made in case replacements were needed. :lol:

[JazmenFlowers]

hey hookers. I'm rarely online really. life and stuff is just crazy busy. I still check in now and then just to be sure I haven't missed any exciting news, but don't really care to post or be involved in a message board anymore. like everyone else, I just don't have the time. I get Google alerts for Stevie and Fleetwood Mac so that pretty much tells me what I need to know. it's so sad because the other day I realized I was scrolling through new pictures of Stevie and I WASN'T right click+saving every single one. haha. times, they are a changin'. I'm so out of touch. I really just use my Facebook and that's about it. I was looking forward to seeing a lot of folks at Webster Hall, but we know how that turned out. other than that, I just prance with peeps when NOTS rolls around. I sure wish I was going to the LA birthday bash!

hope everyone is doing well!

"time makes you bolder...children get older...I'm getting older too"

ETA: I will admit I do have my moments when I'm sucked into the black hole that is Google searching...lol

[jannieC]

hey hookers. I'm rarely online really. life and stuff is just crazy busy. I still check in now and then just to be sure I haven't missed any exciting news, but don't really care to post or be involved in a message board anymore. like everyone else, I just don't have the time. I get Google alerts for Stevie and Fleetwood Mac so that pretty much tells me what I need to know. it's so sad because the other day I realized I was scrolling through new pictures of Stevie and I WASN'T right click+saving every single one. haha. times, they are a changin'. I'm so out of touch. I really just use my Facebook and that's about it. I was looking forward to seeing a lot of folks at Webster Hall, but we know how that turned out. other than that, I just prance with peeps when NOTS rolls around. I sure wish I was going to the LA birthday bash!

hope everyone is doing well!

"time makes you bolder...children get older...I'm getting older too"

ETA: I will admit I do have my moments when I'm sucked into the black hole that is Google searching...lol
I miss your presence here- and definitely wish I had been able to attend NOTS this year. After Stevie's video you can be sure I'll be chiffoning at every NOTS from here on out!

[jannieC]

You were there last year? Dammit I missed you!

I missed everyone last year. And I was THERE. :shocked:

[skcin]

I missed everyone last year. And I was THERE. :shocked:

Yeah, we all missed eachother. I was with Sparky, Carrie721, Mikeschmike, Camchristo & Curtis (ontheedgeof17.) Ran into Mariel. Thought I saw Jannie but didn't want to wak up to a random stranger in the dark - in hindsight, I should have. :shrug:

It's hard to see & recognize people you've never met in person in a crowded dark club with 6 foot tall drag queens surrounding you. :laugh:

BTW - Suze, I think I stil have my sticker.

[jannieC]

Yeah, we all missed eachother. I was with Sparky, Carrie721, Mikeschmike, Camchristo & Curtis (ontheedgeof17.) Ran into Mariel. Thought I saw Jannie but didn't want to wak up to a random stranger in the dark - in hindsight, I should have. :shrug:

It's hard to see & recognize people you've never met in person in a crowded dark club with 6 foot tall drag queens surrounding you. :laugh:

BTW - Suze, I think I stil have my sticker.

We need to plan better, next time.

[mylittledemon]

hey hookers. I'm rarely online really. life and stuff is just crazy busy. I still check in now and then just to be sure I haven't missed any exciting news, but don't really care to post or be involved in a message board anymore. like everyone else, I just don't have the time.

Glad you're still around a bit. :o

[carrie721]

Yeah, we all missed eachother. I was with Sparky, Carrie721, Mikeschmike, Camchristo & Curtis (ontheedgeof17.) Ran into Mariel. Thought I saw Jannie but didn't want to wak up to a random stranger in the dark - in hindsight, I should have. :shrug:

aside from you guys, i don't think i ran into anyone at nots. i was t-RASHED. and my scarf was on fire.

[David]

I saw Jill, Paula, Curtie, Pattie, Jake, and Brandon. Who else is still here from the old days?If those are the old days, I'm from the Ledge Big Bang--Chris Small from Davis, Lesley, Barb, Marty (before Lisa ever posted), Hayley, Luke, Ava, blackcat, Angel Rose, Tracy G., K.E. Gill, Stephanie, Phil Hoff, Ken G., IG-42, C.L. Moon, Chanel "Rhi" Furman, Steve MacDougall, Char (Charlotte).

It's amazing how many generations have passed through this old place!

[CreepingDeath]

If those are the old days, I'm from the Ledge Big Bang--Chris Small from Davis, Lesley, Barb, Marty (before Lisa ever posted), Hayley, Luke, Ava, blackcat, Angel Rose, Tracy G., K.E. Gill, Stephanie, Phil Hoff, Ken G., IG-42, C.L. Moon, Chanel "Rhi" Furman, Steve MacDougall, Char (Charlotte).

It's amazing how many generations have passed through this old place!

Alright, if we're talking about the Dark Ages, what about the poster "Calamity" and her The Buck Stops Here sig. This was when we were sure there would never be another LB solo album after OOTC, let alone a tour. She held out hope, though.

[David]

Alright, if we're talking about the Dark Ages, what about the poster "Calamity" and her The Buck Stops Here sig. This was when we were sure there would never be another LB solo album after OOTC, let alone a tour. She held out hope, though.
YES, I remember Calamity now!!

And remember Rhapsody & Spirit? One of them--I forget which--got really mad at me one day, & she heaped scorn & scathing censure upon me. But then she grew to like me, & I her.

[CaliforniaDream]

If those are the old days, I'm from the Ledge Big Bang--Chris Small from Davis, Lesley, Barb, Marty (before Lisa ever posted), Hayley, Luke, Ava, blackcat, Angel Rose, Tracy G., K.E. Gill, Stephanie, Phil Hoff, Ken G., IG-42, C.L. Moon, Chanel "Rhi" Furman, Steve MacDougall, Char (Charlotte).

Hello, David.

[David]

Hello, David.
Hi, sexy!

:shrug:

[Torri]

Hi David...and Kathy from Hawaii!...I mostly lurked and enjoyed the laughs...we're just old :nod:

[SuzeQuze]

Yeah, we all missed eachother. I was with Sparky, Carrie721, Mikeschmike, Camchristo & Curtis (ontheedgeof17.) Ran into Mariel. Thought I saw Jannie but didn't want to wak up to a random stranger in the dark - in hindsight, I should have. :shrug:

It's hard to see & recognize people you've never met in person in a crowded dark club with 6 foot tall drag queens surrounding you. :laugh:

BTW - Suze, I think I stil have my sticker.

Paula, I did the same thing with Jannie. I was about to go say hi and she looked away so I thought maybe it wasn't her and psyched myself out. Never again! Maybe next year we can have a code like a certain silk flower or something.

[SuzeQuze]

hey hookers. I'm rarely online really. life and stuff is just crazy busy. I still check in now and then just to be sure I haven't missed any exciting news, but don't really care to post or be involved in a message board anymore. like everyone else, I just don't have the time. I get Google alerts for Stevie and Fleetwood Mac so that pretty much tells me what I need to know. it's so sad because the other day I realized I was scrolling through new pictures of Stevie and I WASN'T right click+saving every single one. haha. times, they are a changin'. I'm so out of touch. I really just use my Facebook and that's about it. I was looking forward to seeing a lot of folks at Webster Hall, but we know how that turned out. other than that, I just prance with peeps when NOTS rolls around. I sure wish I was going to the LA birthday bash!

hope everyone is doing well!

"time makes you bolder...children get older...I'm getting older too"

ETA: I will admit I do have my moments when I'm sucked into the black hole that is Google searching...lol

I was bummed to have missed your performance. I plan to go next year!

[chiliD]

If those are the old days, I'm from the Ledge Big Bang--Chris Small from Davis, Lesley, Barb, Marty (before Lisa ever posted), Hayley, Luke, Ava, blackcat, Angel Rose, Tracy G., K.E. Gill, Stephanie, Phil Hoff, Ken G., IG-42, C.L. Moon, Chanel "Rhi" Furman, Steve MacDougall, Char (Charlotte).

It's amazing how many generations have passed through this old place!

You always leave me & Susan out in your lists of "the old days" people. :shocked: :distress:

Time to start taking your Gingko Biloba again, Mr. :nod:

[chiliD]

And remember Rhapsody & Spirit? One of them--I forget which--got really mad at me one day, & she heaped scorn & scathing censure upon me. But then she grew to like me, & I her.

I remember them! Still have copies of the Ledgie group photos at the Stevie "Enchanted" concert at Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre (when it was still CALLED "Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre"). I still remember everyone piling in my van and heading down the road.

And, what I DON'T remember is why weren't you involved in the group escapades, David?? On one of your Garbo-esque "I vont to be alonnnnnnne" moments?

[mylittledemon]

You always leave me & Susan out in your lists of "the old days" people. :shocked: :distress:

Time to start taking your Gingko Biloba again, Mr. :nod:


I mentioned ya way back in the thread, and got no love. NONE!!!~ :distress:


;)

[chiliD]

:laugh: Always good to have the oldies back. ChiliD is still here on and off as well.

:o :o :o :o :sorry: (I obviously missed that)....and that would be mostly "on". ;)

That was cool of you!

But, when David starts listing all the folks from pretty much primordial ooze of The Ledge, we were one of the first fish to crawl on the Fleetwood Mac landscape, as well...but he just never seems to remember that.

[mylittledemon]

:laugh: just messin with ya... I don't know why i remember you the most out of any Ledgiemite. We must've had a word scrap waaaaay back when, allowing me to gain a great respect for you. :shocked: Or something like that. ;)

[David]

You always leave me & Susan out in your lists of "the old days" people. :shocked: :distress:Those are the people who have come & gone. You & I are still here!

[David]

I remember them! Still have copies of the Ledgie group photos at the Stevie "Enchanted" concert at Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre (when it was still CALLED "Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre"). I still remember everyone piling in my van and heading down the road.

And, what I DON'T remember is why weren't you involved in the group escapades, David?? On one of your Garbo-esque "I vont to be alonnnnnnne" moments?Not me--I was done with Stevie Nicks already. But I should have gone out to dinner at Il Mare or McGrath's with you guys afterward!

[Johnny Stew]

You always leave me & Susan out in your lists of "the old days" people. :shocked: :distress:

I could never forget "Surf City Steve!" I still remember being in such awe of your & David's Mac knowledge. I think I even had a bit of hero-worship going on! :o

[Livia]

Hi, I'm Livia. I'm a Ledgie-holic.

[mylittledemon]

Hi Livia!

:lol:

[SuzeQuze]

:laugh: just messin with ya... I don't know why i remember you the most out of any Ledgiemite. We must've had a word scrap waaaaay back when, allowing me to gain a great respect for you. :shocked: Or something like that. ;)

Or musician stuff?

[SuzeQuze]

You always leave me & Susan out in your lists of "the old days" people. :shocked: :distress:

Time to start taking your Gingko Biloba again, Mr. :nod:

I don't recall being addressed by David much at all. He's an enigma to me.

[chiliD]

Those are the people who have come & gone. You & I are still here!

David, face it, we're the "Mick & John" of the Ledge! Funny, though, neither one of us plays drums. Oh well.:laugh:

[Dodfather]

:laugh: I don't know why i remember you the most out of any Ledgiemite.

This really made me :laugh: !!

[mylittledemon]

:lol: Chili knows I love him... I thought that would get a laugh out of 'im ;)

No I respect Steve a lot... he was probably the most knowledgeable of any of the posters in terms of the band. I also to this day still get a kick out of the fact that he backs up "Time" as if he were the Holy Grail Knight here to defend it.

[David]

I don't recall being addressed by David much at all. He's an enigma to me.You & the other Sue were always two of my favorite ledgies. But I never got the feeling that you guys wanted me to chat with you!

[starshine]

You & the other Sue were always two of my favorite ledgies. But I never got the feeling that you guys wanted me to chat with you!Are you talking about me? If not thats ok. I sometimes like to read more than post now a days really. It depends on the thread and if it interests me. I've been here since '05 so if were do the t-shirt thing someday I want one!! Thats a great idea. I used to go also to 7 (Blunders/Wonders LOL) sorry I just think its funny to call it that probably cause I heard someone else call it that. But I haven't been there in sometime now. To much bickering alot. This is the only Fmac/Stevie board I'm on. I didn't even know about these things when I first got online back in '01. I've always enjoyed the discussions here. Thanks everyone!! :D:shrug:

[sasja]

Carrie! David! :wavey:

And all the rest of you sublimely witty, snarky, interesting folk!

Ah yes, Diss... Whenever I watch Anderson Cooper I think of him :xoxo:

I read and lurk here on occasion and remember fun times. Some great silliness. The BEST laughs! And being allowed and tolerated, despite that my Mac interest had already waned for almost a decade :]
Life's been good. So has the world's music.
I wish for you all the very same! :woohoo:

[SuzeQuze]

You & the other Sue were always two of my favorite ledgies. But I never got the feeling that you guys wanted me to chat with you!

Aww. :o I may not have liked some of your opinions or something but that isn't true. I am okay with differences of opinion, chat away! I may have been intimidated at times as well because you are so freaking smart.

[carrie721]

Carrie! David! :wavey:

And all the rest of you sublimely witty, snarky, interesting folk!

Ah yes, Diss... Whenever I watch Anderson Cooper I think of him :xoxo:

I read and lurk here on occasion and remember fun times. Some great silliness. The BEST laughs! And being allowed and tolerated, despite that my Mac interest had already waned for almost a decade :]
Life's been good. So has the world's music.
I wish for you all the very same! :woohoo:

i miss you :wavey: i think i tried to PM you a while back, but it didn't work :shrug: i'm glad things are going well for you!

[sasja]

i miss you :wavey: i think i tried to PM you a while back, but it didn't work :shrug: i'm glad things are going well for you!

Aw! Thank you! Same here for you! Would have loved the PM!
Boys these days:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c103/tanjalalie/2010%20card/IMG_0203-1.jpg

They have kicked time passage into overdrive, good grief :]

[David]

Aww. :o I may not have liked some of your opinions or something but that isn't true. I am okay with differences of opinion, chat away!That's kind of a relief to know. All this time I misinterpreted you. To celebrate our newfound friendship, here are some soundboard performances from the Mirage tour.

Baton Rouge LA 10.13.82 RHIANNON
http://www.sendspace.com/file/diybcd

Oakland CA 10.20.82 SARA
http://www.sendspace.com/file/i3ppig

Oakland CA 10.20.82 LANDSLIDE
http://www.sendspace.com/file/qzsg43

[Villavic]

Can't remember what year I entered The Ledge, but it was definitely before the 1997 reunion. Also I can't remember in what year it changed to the current format.

[Penguin Emeritus]

Can't remember what year I entered The Ledge, but it was definitely before the 1997 reunion. Also I can't remember in what year it changed to the current format.

i wish i could tell you but i have no freaking clue :laugh: maybe early 2000s? marty's ass was always in the chair working on something.

--Lis

[vivfox]

Can't remember what year I entered The Ledge, but it was definitely before the 1997 reunion. Also I can't remember in what year it changed to the current format.


In the top right hand corner of my screen it shows me your info:
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Lima Peru
Posts: 4,834

[HomerMcvie]

In the top right hand corner of my screen it shows me your info:
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Lima Peru
Posts: 4,834

Well, she and her husband Marty were the CREATORS of this site, so maybe the "properties" of it changed over the years? I've read that it has different formats, before my time.

[Villavic]

In the top right hand corner of my screen it shows me your info:
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Lima Peru
Posts: 4,834

So 2000 must be the year The Ledge got the current format. Cause I immediately registered my user here.

But in the 90s there was the old Ledge, where all threads and its post titlles could be seen in one page. I guess the number of ledgies grew to the point that the site often collapsed, and Marty changed it to the current format, probably with more powerful servers.

And it was also part of The Penguin, who had a different appeareance, too. The lyric interpretations was there, too. So many great memories of those years.

[chriskisn]

Well, she and her husband Marty were the CREATORS of this site, so maybe the "properties" of it changed over the years? I've read that it has different formats, before my time.

Certainly has changed a lot over the years. Think it was between 1993/1995 that I first came on here, the Cyber Penguin, I did create a login, but when I came back years and years later I couldn't remember what it was (I do remember my password was 'witch' or some variation of as I recall Lis/Marty emailing me back saying "she's not really a witch you know". Don't remember my user name or email or whatever at that time.

I've spent most of my time lurking both here and on the usenet boards back long time ago. Can't even remember much from back then, 30 years has passed. Even my FM fandom has mostly passed, though I do still watch old Stevie clips and say to my wife "she was sooooooooo hot back then..." My wife's hatred of Stevie has never died, 26 years on....

[Villavic]

I remember I have a @fleetwoodmac.net email account, too. But I did lose the password for that one, and I stopped using it years ago. It doesn't exist anymore, does it?

[HomerMcvie]

(I do remember my password was 'witch' or some variation of as I recall Lis/Marty emailing me back saying "she's not really a witch you know".

Stevie clips and say to my wife "she was sooooooooo hot back then..." My wife's hatred of Stevie has never died, 26 years on....

Oh, I think Lindsey would disagree with that.

I thoroughly maintain that she'd have had no long career, if the entire world didn't want to F her back then.

[Penguin Emeritus]

Oh, I think Lindsey would disagree with that.

I thoroughly maintain that she'd have had no long career, if the entire world didn't want to F her back then.

you guys make me chuckle. god i feel old though.

that was prob marty who made the 'she's not really a witch' comment lol i don't think i communicated much w folks in 2000..? that's the year my son was born and marty used to come home from work and go right on the website, so...yeah :rolleyes: I have no memory of the old ledge, to honest with you!! didn't even know there was one lol

--Lis

[chriskisn]

that was prob marty who made the 'she's not really a witch' comment lol i don't think i communicated much w folks in 2000..?

--Lis

I'd actually always thought it was you (but my memory ain't what it was), and would have been mid/late '90s I reckon. I was still living at home with my parents. I discovered Stevie when I was 19/20, and discovered the Cyber Penguin when I was doing night classes on computing. Literally did a class about the internet, which sounds crazy today...

I too have no memory of the old Ledge, I recall it wasn't a very nice place sometimes, which is why I didn't spend much time there.

[chriskisn]

Oh, I think Lindsey would disagree with that.

I thoroughly maintain that she'd have had no long career, if the entire world didn't want to F her back then.

Yes, to this day I'm still in love with 1970's Stevie, Kate Bush and Lynda Carter...

[SteveMacD]

I don’t know how much of a Ledge old timer I’m considered, but I was part of the precursor Fleetwood Mac Usenet newsgroup (alt.music.fleetwoodmac) since 1994.

Turned 50 back in June. Feeling OLD!

[HomerMcvie]

I don’t know how much of a Ledge old timer I’m considered, but I was part of the precursor Fleetwood Mac Usenet newsgroup (alt.music.fleetwoodmac) since 1994.

Turned 50 back in June. Feeling OLD!

I think I got my first computer around 1996, and quickly discovered alt.net.fleetwood.mac.(wasn't that it?)

Does usenet even still exist? I remember when my ISP dropped it. You could subscribe to it, but hell, that's been 20 years ago.

[chriskisn]

I don’t know how much of a Ledge old timer I’m considered, but I was part of the precursor Fleetwood Mac Usenet newsgroup (alt.music.fleetwoodmac) since 1994.

Turned 50 back in June. Feeling OLD!

Well I remember you from the usenet days, so if you aren't an old timer then neither am I (May '74 here).

[Villavic]

I don't remember have seen alt.net.fleetwood.mac at all. If I did, probably I just checked or posted a couple times. But almost sure I didn't.

By mid 90s I didn't have internet at home, but I was responsible of IT operations at my job, so I could enter the internet freely. Access controls were not implemented yet.

And it was at my desk that I discovered The Nicks Fix and The Penguin. Probably it was the same day, and found them thru Yahoo. By those days I liked Yahoo more than Google.

Don't ask me how many hours a day I used to spend posting on The Ledge. :lol:

[HomerMcvie]

Don't ask me how many hours a day I used to spend posting on The Ledge. :lol:

You mean it was MORE than you do now?:lol:

[David]

I don't remember have seen alt.net.fleetwood.mac at all. If I did, probably I just checked or posted a couple times. But almost sure I didn't.

alt.music.fleetwood-mac

Joe Admire got the charter started to establish the group on the alt.music hierarchy, so he’s really the Prime Mover.

In the early 1990s, a lot of us got started with that group because the web hadn’t really developed enough by then to make it graphically or visually interesting, whereas you could talk and talk on usenet. Our Mac group wasn’t the warmest place in the world, to put it mildly. Lots of hissing and spitting. I was a nasty b*tch. The appeal was that we were conversing in real time with each other instead of sending USPS. The idea of snail mail for fan groups is so ridiculous today, but that was all you had.

By mid 90s I didn't have internet at home, but I was responsible of IT operations at my job, so I could enter the internet freely. Access controls were not implemented yet.

I was working in a big newspaper then, and the tech-heads in the newsroom library were just turning me on to the internet. Then little ISPs started popping up everywhere. You’d set up an account with them, rent a dial-up modem, hook everything up, and spend all afternoon and evening until about 3 a.m. reading your newsgroup.

And it was at my desk that I discovered The Nicks Fix and The Penguin. Probably it was the same day, and found them thru Yahoo.

Netscape Navigator, anyone? A block of text with a monochromatic background and a bunch of underlined hyperlinks. And we were excited.

https://adrianroselli.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Netscape1-about-1024x656.gif

[HomerMcvie]

alt.music.fleetwood-mac

Joe Admire got the charter started to establish the group on the alt.music hierarchy, so he’s really the Prime Mover.

In the early 1990s, a lot of us got started with that group because the web hadn’t really developed enough by then to make it graphically or visually interesting, whereas you could talk and talk on usenet. Our Mac group wasn’t the warmest place in the world, to put it mildly. Lots of hissing and spitting. I was a nasty b*tch. The appeal was that we were conversing in real time with each other instead of sending USPS. The idea of snail mail for fan groups is so ridiculous today, but that was all you had.



I was working in a big newspaper then, and the tech-heads in the newsroom library were just turning me on to the internet. Then little ISPs started popping up everywhere. You’d set up an account with them, rent a dial-up modem, hook everything up, and spend all afternoon and evening until about 3 a.m. reading your newsgroup.



Netscape Navigator, anyone? A block of text with a monochromatic background and a bunch of underlined hyperlinks. And we were excited.

https://adrianroselli.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Netscape1-about-1024x656.gif

There was also LOTS of great ~"EXOTIC"~ porn on Usenet as well.

Le sigh.....:D

[Villavic]

Netscape Navigator, anyone? [/IMG]

Of course! Though at the bank where I worked we had a corporate deal with Microsoft, the Netscape was a more reliable and optimal browser. Those photos you shared, they bring back nostalgia for those days.

[mylittledemon]

Can't remember what year I entered The Ledge, but it was definitely before the 1997 reunion. Also I can't remember in what year it changed to the current format.

I was lurking in 2000-ish, and I'm pretty sure, mostly sure, it looked like this format even then. Maybe it changed in '98 with the Steve solo comeback?

[Villavic]

I was lurking in 2000-ish, and I'm pretty sure, mostly sure, it looked like this format even then. Maybe it changed in '98 with the Steve solo comeback?

Probably it was that year. But the reason was that the old format collapsed frequently. The current format resides in a more powerful design, and better organized. And sure more powerful software servers.

[mylittledemon]

I know I sound like an old man (I'm now closer to 50 than I am to 40) but mannn... I don't know where the time went! :lol:

[nicepace]

I remember the old usenet group. I posted there occasionally. I have been on the Ledge for a very long time, but only post now and again. I was more active on the message board on the old Christine McVie website when In the Meantime was released many years ago. Her website doesn't exist anymore, does it? I still lurk on this website and read threads occasionally, mostly on Christine's forum and occasionally on the pre-Rumours forum. I guess I feel there's really nothing new to say and I'm kind of amazed there's still discussion going on, but I suppose with such a massively popular group there are always people who will find subjects to discuss, and that's a good thing.

[HomerMcvie]

I remember the old usenet group. I posted there occasionally. I have been on the Ledge for a very long time, but only post now and again. I was more active on the message board on the old Christine McVie website when In the Meantime was released many years ago. Her website doesn't exist anymore, does it? I still lurk on this website and read threads occasionally, mostly on Christine's forum and occasionally on the pre-Rumours forum. I guess I feel there's really nothing new to say and I'm kind of amazed there's still discussion going on, but I suppose with such a massively popular group there are always people who will find subjects to discuss, and that's a good thing.

You know, we're witnessing(well, witnessed) the ending of the band of our lives. It's sad, but the clocks are ticking for everyone.
And it sucks...

[jbrownsjr]

I think I got my first computer around 1996, and quickly discovered alt.net.fleetwood.mac.(wasn't that it?)

Does usenet even still exist? I remember when my ISP dropped it. You could subscribe to it, but hell, that's been 20 years ago.

I was here around late 1996 possibly usenet. I too had a new brand new Packard Bell.

[HomerMcvie]

I was here around late 1996 possibly usenet. I too had a new brand new Packard Bell.

I got my first computer in 96, and I was on there with you, David, Steve, and Chili D.

I remember you boasting about owning that fancy steam powered vibrator.

[Villavic]

I can´t remember my first computer, but I think it was a "compatible" desktop with an Intel 486 cpu, most likely assembled in a local store. Can't remember when I got it. But my first laptop was a Compaq, circa 1996, with 16 MB RAM to the envy of many :laugh: .

[Penguin Emeritus]

And it was at my desk that I discovered The Nicks Fix and The Penguin. Probably it was the same day, and found them thru Yahoo. By those days I liked Yahoo more than Google.

Don't ask me how many hours a day I used to spend posting on The Ledge. :lol:

and don't ask me how many hours marty used to spend working on it lol. i can remember him trying to describe to me what he wanted to create, like a place where mac fans could come and talk about the band, ask questions etc, and i was like 'do you think anybody would even be interested in that?!' it was bizarre because i'd grown up not knowing anybody else who really liked fleetwood mac at all. to me it felt like i was the only crazed FM fan in the world, that nobody loved/understood them the way i did. so imagine my surprise when i found that other people loved them, too!! that was a trip.

I don't think i was convinced the website was really worth it until john found us. then i was hooked lmao

--Lis

[HomerMcvie]

and don't ask me how many hours marty used to spend working on it lol. i can remember him trying to describe to me what he wanted to create, like a place where mac fans could come and talk about the band, ask questions etc, and i was like 'do you think anybody would even be interested in that?!' it was bizarre because i'd grown up not knowing anybody else who really liked fleetwood mac at all. to me it felt like i was the only crazed FM fan in the world, that nobody loved/understood them the way i did. so imagine my surprise when i found that other people loved them, too!! that was a trip.

I don't think i was convinced the website was really worth it until john found us. then i was hooked lmao

--Lis
It's definitely a cult. And it's so hard to imagine how hard figuring out the internet was back then. Many thanks to you and Marty!

God bless John, by far the most normal member.

[Villavic]

i'd grown up not knowing anybody else who really liked fleetwood mac at all. to me it felt like i was the only crazed FM fan in the world, that nobody loved/understood them the way i did.

I had a similar feeling too. And it's so strange since there were lot of fans of other bands that didn't have a phenomenom like Rumours. But even in the 80s I met many people that didn't know Fleetwood Mac.

[Penguin Emeritus]

It's definitely a cult. And it's so hard to imagine how hard figuring out the internet was back then. Many thanks to you and Marty!

God bless John, by far the most normal member.

I'm certainly glad we did it. glad he convinced me.

i remember the day we got this email from john complimenting us on the site and i was so skeptical...i wrote back something like, 'i doubt you're the real John McVie, but i'll assume you're a fan!' etc, and he wrote back , 'This really is McVie!' and then offered to help us out w details etc when he had time (not this his memory was ever stellar lol) .

so i kind of believed him, but not 100%. I asked for chris's middle name for her bio (at that time this was *nowhere* to be found on the internet!) and he told me it was Anne. so being the lunatic that I was/am, i did some research and got a document from the UK (using snail mail back and forth which took 100 years) and lo and behold, when i opened that envelope and saw her middle name was what he'd told me, i literally cried and hopped around the room. THAT was when i believed it was really him. watta moment.

and it still took me a good 8 years and lots of BS-ing back and forth to ask if he wanted to do a Q&A! :laugh:

--Lis

[HomerMcvie]

I'm certainly glad we did it. glad he convinced me.

i remember the day we got this email from john complimenting us on the site and i was so skeptical...i wrote back something like, 'i doubt you're the real John McVie, but i'll assume you're a fan!' etc, and he wrote back , 'This really is McVie!' and then offered to help us out w details etc when he had time (not this his memory was ever stellar lol) .

so i kind of believed him, but not 100%. I asked for chris's middle name for her bio (at that time this was *nowhere* to be found on the internet!) and he told me it was Anne. so being the lunatic that I was/am, i did some research and got a document from the UK (using snail mail back and forth which took 100 years) and lo and behold, when i opened that envelope and saw her middle name was what he'd told me, i literally cried and hopped around the room. THAT was when i believed it was really him. watta moment.

and it still took me a good 8 years and lots of BS-ing back and forth to ask if he wanted to do a Q&A! :laugh:

--Lis

That is SO COOL! I can't imagine how thrilled I'd be!

John is/was definitely the most grounded of them all.

[Penguin Emeritus]

That is SO COOL! I can't imagine how thrilled I'd be!

John is/was definitely the most grounded of them all.

Yes, he definitely was/is. And in those days he really wasn't doing much, so his emails were quite long and interesting, just shooting the breeze. we used to chat about mundane things but i used to print them out and bring them w me to work to brighten my crappy days. once the reunion happened, the emails got waaay shorter lol but still were amazing to me. will always remember that time.

--Lis

[HomerMcvie]

Yes, he definitely was/is. And in those days he really wasn't doing much, so his emails were quite long and interesting, just shooting the breeze. we used to chat about mundane things but i used to print them out and bring them w me to work to brighten my crappy days. once the reunion happened, the emails got waaay shorter lol but still were amazing to me. will always remember that time.

--Lis
I'm so jealous! Lucky you! :xoxo:

[Villavic]

Beautiful story, I didn't know the story behind the Q/A session and how you contact John. Nice to read it. It's an unforgettable episode in your life.

[Penguin Emeritus]

Beautiful story, I didn't know the story behind the Q/A session and how you contact John. Nice to read it. It's an unforgettable episode in your life.

It was indeed. and it was someone here from the ledge who really pushed me to ask him, because for the longest time i was just resisting. i didn't want him to feel i was being opportunistic or anything I guess... i think it was blackcat?? does that ring a bell? kept gently pushing because it wouldn't hurt anything to ask...and so finally I did, after we'd done some others so I felt better telling him that so-and-so did one and enjoyed it etc. and he immediately went for it! that first one had a few bumps trying to get it done in the smoothest way, and he always "emptied his folders" after sending so if anything needed to be re-sent, i was screwed. and several times, replies disappeared!! it aged me, losing some of those replies lol


and of course the best part was that HE asked two more times if he could come back!! he said he really enjoyed doing them when he had some time. and what a great resource those turned out to be. our q&a's are referenced in books all the time. (Mark Blake did not, but i wrote him after seeing at least 3 mentions from john's Q&A and he apologized lmao, nice chap.)

--Lis

[Macfan4life]

It was indeed. and it was someone here from the ledge who really pushed me to ask him, because for the longest time i was just resisting. i didn't want him to feel i was being opportunistic or anything I guess... i think it was blackcat?? does that ring a bell? kept gently pushing because it wouldn't hurt anything to ask...and so finally I did, after we'd done some others so I felt better telling him that so-and-so did one and enjoyed it etc. and he immediately went for it! that first one had a few bumps trying to get it done in the smoothest way, and he always "emptied his folders" after sending so if anything needed to be re-sent, i was screwed. and several times, replies disappeared!! it aged me, losing some of those replies lol


and of course the best part was that HE asked two more times if he could come back!! he said he really enjoyed doing them when he had some time. and what a great resource those turned out to be. our q&a's are referenced in books all the time. (Mark Blake did not, but i wrote him after seeing at least 3 mentions from john's Q&A and he apologized lmao, nice chap.)

--Lis
Incredible story.
Did not Bob Welch's wife post here? When I got my first computer back in 2000 Bob had his website and its almost impossible to believe but back then you could email him directly and buy an autographed CD from him. The stories he would tell on his site. At the time I did not think it was that big of a deal. But now boy do I regret not buying stuff and engaging him. 2 favorite tales from his site were how Mick and Chris would give him side eye and hated his speaking mid song like on the Bermuda Triangle. Another story was when the White Album was still be recorded he ran into Lindsey at some bar or club and Lindsey asked him "how the hell did you get along with these people?" LMAO

I was recently watching an old Bob interview and he was telling the story of his first band and album after leaving the Mac. He said when the Mac heard it they thought it was trash and he felt the band really believed their legacy was hurt by Bob's new music. He said NOTHING made him happier knowing the band was pissed off and angry with his new music :lol:

[Villavic]

Another story was when the White Album was still be recorded he ran into Lindsey at some bar or club and Lindsey asked him "how the hell did you get along with these people?" LMAO


What did he answer?

[HomerMcvie]

What did he answer?

I think he said that Christine was a sarcastic bitch.

For me, he gave me a LONG response, explaining how different types of royalties work.

I too always wanted to engage him, and invite him and Wendy to dinner. But I never worked up the nerve, afraid of rejection. I was leaving Nashville the morning that he killed himself, and instantly regretted my reluctance.

[Macfan4life]

What did he answer?
I dont think he gave a direct answer. It was in context of the difficulties working with the Mac and articulating the struggles working with the band. Bob often called Fleetwood Mac royalty because they could talk down to people especially Chris. Stevie and Lindsey were 2 new kids on the block. Lindsey was a young California kid working with very stubborn, established English musicians. No doubt there was clash. The wild success put all that to bed though ;)
BTW, I think I misquoted him. I believe Lindsey said "how the hell could you stand to work with these people?"

[Penguin Emeritus]

Incredible story.
Did not Bob Welch's wife post here? When I got my first computer back in 2000 Bob had his website and its almost impossible to believe but back then you could email him directly and buy an autographed CD from him. The stories he would tell on his site. At the time I did not think it was that big of a deal. But now boy do I regret not buying stuff and engaging him. 2 favorite tales from his site were how Mick and Chris would give him side eye and hated his speaking mid song like on the Bermuda Triangle. Another story was when the White Album was still be recorded he ran into Lindsey at some bar or club and Lindsey asked him "how the hell did you get along with these people?" LMAO

I was recently watching an old Bob interview and he was telling the story of his first band and album after leaving the Mac. He said when the Mac heard it they thought it was trash and he felt the band really believed their legacy was hurt by Bob's new music. He said NOTHING made him happier knowing the band was pissed off and angry with his new music :lol:

yes his wife posted here but i think she got banned at some point? i wasn't really on here much at that time and can't recall. but bob always had interesting stories, and a regret of mine is that i didn't speak to him more when i had the chance.

--Lis

[dougl]

Link to Bob’s archived Penguin Q&A

https://web.archive.org/web/20071021024003/http://fleetwoodmac.net/penguin/qa/bobwelch_qa1.htm

[HomerMcvie]

Yeah, Wendy got banned, which seems inconceivable(banning someone from inside the circle), but it happened. She had no self control, and protected Bob with every fiber of her being.

[Villavic]

This sh1t is 50 years ago. It WAS a different time.

I know all anti/offensive-gay expressions were more accepted 50 years ago, the world was different (that doesn't mean it wasn't wrong), but was it the same with the pro nazi stuff? I'm not sure. I thought it was very questionable even in the 70s/80s (I remember Hitler's book was already banned).

Anyway it just mean they, we, are all human beings, with good and bad things. Sometimes very bad things. John seems to be a good person, but that "maintains a collection of Third Reich memorabilia" as Mick wrote, is very controversial. I don't know if he has talked about it in any interview.

I will always like Fleetwood Mac's music, just as one of my favorite movies has never stopped being Midnight in Paris, even though there are arguments that indicate that Woody is an a---ole. Learning that all those talented people have bad attitudes or ugly defects, it's dissapointing anyway.

[Penguin Emeritus]

I know all anti/offensive-gay expressions were more accepted 50 years ago, the world was different (that doesn't mean it wasn't wrong), but was it the same with the pro nazi stuff? I'm not sure. I thought it was very questionable even in the 70s/80s (I remember Hitler's book was already banned).

Anyway it just mean they, we, are all human beings, with good and bad things. Sometimes very bad things. John seems to be a good person, but that "maintains a collection of Third Reich memorabilia" as Mick wrote, is very controversial. I don't know if he has talked about it in any interview.
.

I think somebody did ask him in a Q&A and he said he collected "stuff" and included WW2 memorabilia in that group. I mean he married a jewish woman so i don't think i'd ever put him in a Nazi category. maybe growing up, that whole war time period just was very interesting to him...? and as some of us have said, it was also a verrry different time, a different generation.


--Lis

[Macfan4life]

I think the Halloween costume stuff gets overblown. Growing up in the 70s many people would put on Hitler mustaches to be Hitler at Halloween. Halloween used to be about scary stuff but also horrendously cringe stuff that turned into a nightmare when the political correctness started. If someone wore a Nazi uniform outside of Halloween then thats a whole other weirdo. But I believe John wore the costume and Chris did a black Aunt Jemima black face and costume for Halloween. Both would not be accepted today. Black Face is an American era mocking black people. I am not sure a Brit growing up in England would have any context of American history. But again, its Halloween and people would often find the most offensive costume they could wear. Prince Harry wore a Nazi uniform to a costume party many years ago. The Nazi's bombed and murdered lots of Brits. It was insane anyone in the royal family to do that even as a joke. But that is a completely different context of high, drunken rock stars from the 1970s. This was what Halloween was. Today college fraternities get banned for posing for photos wearing sombreros and fake mustaches on Cinco De Mayo day.

[Villavic]

Definitely the world has changed, and specially in recent years. I still haven't fully adapted and some changes still seem excessive to me (others are correct), since personally they were applied to things that I never found offensive.

Now that I see some old Aunt Jemima pictures in the web (I didn’t know it so I looked for), I see how similar to La Negrita (Little black woman) brand of peruvian desserts and cookies is. After 60 years the company decided to change the name La Negrita, and the picture to avoid racist connotations. Now it’s a more generic name related to sugar, and no face in the publicity.

With all respect, I found it ridiculous, cause many of those desserts were identified with the (delicious!) Afro-Peruvian gastronomy. Yes there is racism in Perú, but I had never heard any ugly racist joke using that name or picture. I thought in this case it wasn’t necessary to change it.

The most curious thing was that many in the Afro-Peruvian community (of course, from my generation) also found the change absurd. Rather than a favorable change to avoid racism, they felt they were losing a representation of their identity. Those desserts are inspired in typical pastry of a specific region where Afro-Peruvian community is very important in they are proud of their legacy.

But yes the world is changing, and I think we have to adapt. The point is to get more respect, so the purpose is good. Sometimes I think they go too far, but it is what it is.