Sn Double Standard , Dont Get It

[David A]

Hello All

I am going to try and be as gentle as I can on this. Bottom line, I am a LB & FM fan first and for most. Sadly, I have come the conclusion that LB will never sell records SOLO wise, regardless. LB just doesn’t have a solo following, which is fine by me.

Having said that, my question is, what kind of sales are we expecting for IYD ? as far as what needs to be reached to NOT make this a bomb and or disappointment. SN as a solo act , in my view is creditable, I mean, I don’t think she’s ever done anything past her 2nd solo record, BUT having said that, I can’t deny her actual numbers. So, she SHOULD be able to sell, however, I do realize that today’s music is drastically different, and I think with FM Say You Will album results, SALES wise made me even more realize this. But, I often think that SN fans are known for coming up with a bunch of excuses. And, since LB never sells, no one can say im making this a challenge, it’s not, LB can release the cure for cancer, and it won’t sell, which is fine. SN has a track record, all be it early on, of selling platinum, multi platinum albums, and I think that a bunch of you are already lining up excuses for when it does NOT sell, you can’t have your cake and eat it to, and I don’t know how ppl can say that LB doesn’t sell, and then when and if IYD doesn’t sell, you guys are going to use those same excuses. SN has sold, so why isn’t she expected to now?

Honestly, she should and I realistically expect her to debut IYD in the top 10 . Honestly, if she doesn’t debut in top 10, that’s not good, and I don’t get how anyone can say that a outside the top 10 is ok

Sales wise, I would say platinum and up is a freaking home run, and id be the first to congratulate her, even though I highly doubt it, Honestly, she HAS to at least go old. No way she sells 300,000 and ppl can say that’s a success.

It’s a double standard, for years, ppl would use the argument that SN solo career was better than LBs and many ppl would say look at the sales, which is fine, but NOW, people are preparing arguments for when IYD doesn’t sell, that it’s ok

U can’t have it both ways. So, what is the expectation here? And don’t use the critical acclaim argument, because no offense, SN SOLO career aint exactly known for critical acclaim, she has hung her hat on her sales, so honestly if she debuts at like #13 and ends up selling 300,000 copies, that is a bomb and or a failure.

I hope ppl understand what im saying. It just sounds like many excuses are being prepared. It’s funny because it sounds like many SN fans may end up using the LB excuse, “well, its critically acclaimed, and that’s all that matters”, which for LB is fine and true, because he hung his hat on hat. Bottom line, SN hung her hat on her solo sales, and she’s going to live or die (sales wise, no harm intended) by those sales, and I just don’t see how IYD can sell ENOUGH , as far as SN sales to be a success

[markolas]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. "She's always hung her hat on sales"? I don't think she's had a platinum album in 25 years. And who really cares? All I care about is whether I like it or not. This album isn't going to go platinum because 1) albums just don't sell like that anymore, and 2) no one over the age of about 22 really sells many records at all. That's not making excuses, it's just a fact. I'm not sure what Lindsey has to do with this.

[BombaySapphire3]

After hearing this record multiple times now I would say the best hope of IYD reaching gold status in this day and age is word of mouth.If I learned that one of the biggies from back in the day had put out an album that truly did rival or even surpass their greatest work from their heydays I would but it even if I was just a nominal fan.This album does just that.

[-Lillith-]

i really dont get what this is about at all.

Who exuces what ? :sorry:

I dont care for sales anyway , i love it and Stevie is happy with it -so all is well :nod::angel:

[GoldDustBoy]

I am positive she will debut in the top 10, and I am positive that this album will go gold. Platinum would be great, but I am not so sure about that. I am also sure she will be nominated for a Grammy.

[louielouie2000]

HI would say platinum and up is a freaking home run, and id be the first to congratulate her, even though I highly doubt it, Honestly, she HAS to at least gold. No way she sells 300,000 and ppl can say that’s a success.

No way she will ever, ever have a Platinum album again. Fleetwood Mac couldn't even hit that target last time around with Say You Will. And Fleetwood Mac's efforts have always outsold Stevie's. I honestly think selling 300,000 copies this time around would be a triumph for her at this point in the game. I very much doubt she'll go Gold solo again either. Considering the state of the record biz currently, I don't think that's a bad thing for a veteran artist, though. I can't see her selling more than 200,000 copies of IYD. Time shall tell, though! :)

no offense, SN SOLO career aint exactly known for critical acclaim, she has hung her hat on her sales

Have you seen the reviews so far for this album? They're the best reviews of her career. Rolling Stone was practically gushing over her (for Rolling Stone... they're all about back handed compliments and murky praise after all). Other publications are calling this her best album of her career, and are giving her 4 out of 4 stars, etc. THIS is Stevie's turn in the sun for critical acclaim, and hopefully awards.

[BombaySapphire3]

No way she will ever, ever have a Platinum album again. Fleetwood Mac couldn't even hit that target last time around with Say You Will. And Fleetwood Mac's efforts have always outsold Stevie's.

Well not 'always' Bella Donna sold more than Tusk before it or Mirage after here in the states where TISL and SYW virtually drew even.

[Annabell Lee]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. "She's always hung her hat on sales"? I don't think she's had a platinum album in 25 years. And who really cares? All I care about is whether I like it or not. This album isn't going to go platinum because 1) albums just don't sell like that anymore, and 2) no one over the age of about 22 really sells many records at all. That's not making excuses, it's just a fact. I'm not sure what Lindsey has to do with this.

I agree whole-heartedly ! If i like the album ( which i do ! ) then to me it's a roaring success ! She will prob. never see platinum again but that's fine with me. If her fans are happy and she is happy THAT is success in my mind. I know the powers that be want her to sell 1,000,000 copies. That isn't going to happen, but what ever she sells is more than what they started with. Right ?

[mezzoforte]

Color me confused--I honestly haven't seen the double stand you object to.

Sure, there are plenty of Stevie fans who don't care for Lindsey's music. But I don't think there's a consensus here that his poor sales reflect poor quality. It's generally understood, I think, that Lindsey's ambitions in his solo career have been artistic, not commercial. He's said as much himself--his solo career is the "little machine", the "indie movie" he does for his own integrity. Yeah, many of us haven't gotten into Lindsey's solo stuff, but I just haven't seen the accusations you're so upset about.

As for Stevie, we're well aware that IYD sales will not begin to approach Bella Donna. But that disparity will have nothing to do with quality and everything to do with a ravaged music industry.

[SapphireSister]

I'm not trying to be rude (once again) but why are you here in the Stevie forum? I mean your more than welcome here anytime to discuss Stevie related topics but this sounds more like it's a problem for Lindsey's fans, not Stevie's for whatever it is you are trying to say.

[BombaySapphire3]

A ravaged music industry and Stevie's age.If a twenty something girl put out an album like IYD she would likely be championed as the great hope of the rock music world.

[Macfanforever]

We love to see her get a number 1 record.It would be lovely to see that happen.I think she does not care if the record goes to no# 1.She's very happy when her true supporters like us the keep coming to a zillion of concerts in same tour.and continuing buying zillion copies of her music all of these years.
Like mentioned below she has to weed through all the young ones music thats at the top of the charts.

[Macfanforever]

A ravaged music industry and Stevie's age.If a twenty something girl put out an album like IYD she would likely be championed as the great hope of the rock music world.

Today theres no room for rock music these days it get pushed to the side and it gets mowed off the charts with rap,and hip hop. Bubble Gum teenie bopper tunes .and sprinkled with young country artists like Taylor.which I rather hear then the music genres I just mentioned before. I hope 'Cheaper Then Free'" gets some country airplay.This is sad.People say Stevie had her spotlite in the 70's and 80's.I wish she gets another chance before its to late.Tina Turner had a good comeback in the 1980's and Cher had a good comeback in the 1990's.Back then music was much better.
Now forget it.

[mikephxaz]

I'm not sure what your trying to say. Lindsey simply doesn't have the following..it's quite simple...he hasn't connected with as many listeners....I would imagine that Stevie's worst selling solo album sold comparable to his best solo album...she can continue to sell concert tickets and Lindsey would have a difficult time selling out a couch (I'm kidding) There's no excuses here if Stevie's album doesn't sell...she's 63 and has NOTHING to prove, Lindsey, on the other hand, has alot to prove as a solo artist...it seems his diehard fans are the ones that have to start finding better excuses for his lack of sales...Like TISL, In Your Dreams has made me very happy....Frankly I don't care what the first week sales, I'll be hapy with the 75 copies that I'll be buying. :thumbsup:

[David A]

thats total crap, SN has sold records, and if, I say IF she doesnt sell them now, nyou are all ok with that, meaning, no big deal, amazing. LB has nothing to prove, nothing, his solo work material wise blows any SN SOLO project out of the water, and SN success was mainly cause how she looked, amazing ppl dont see that, they are bashing the young ppl artist, bubble gum for the exact, well, almost exact things she did in her hey day

amazing, how this is a double standard, I just dont get it, I really dont

Yea, lets see what BIG venues SN sells out, ppl are really reaching for straws , Rod Stewart was the head line, not her, and you ppl think she has a chance of selling out venues, amazing

if SN would have sold 300,000 back in 1985 or 1990, you all would have big time said,

"oh bomb"

"what a failure"

but, now thats ok?

i dont get it

Promise you this as example, Shania Twain and or Celine Dion aint never gonna NOT Sell, and sometimes SN fans act like she can hold a candle to those ladies

weird

[Artemis]

LB has nothing to prove, nothing, his solo work material wise blows any SN SOLO project out of the water, and SN success was mainly cause how she looked.

:laugh: Oh yes, I'm sure she sold so many copies of TISL because the masses went wild for that ass. The mystery behind the "thong" in the cover is now revealed. :rolleyes:

On a serious note, perhaps her looks helped her in the past, but to say they were MAINLY the reason for her success greatly under-values her talent, and her knack for working with people who know how to make her music commercial. Stevie NEVER sold her music on her body the way many young artists do today; which is what I think people are getting at. How many popstars of today get their tits out or pose in bikinis and whatnot? Stevie never resorted to that.

You say Lindsey's solo albums blow Stevie's out of the water. I disagree completely. But music is unique for every person. One man's treasure is another man's garbage, etc. So, I'm not even going to have a fan debate there.

Stevie selling 20K would be seen as a flop, for sure. Stevie selling 300k, whilst not going Gold, would be seen as a success. Yes, it's not to her 1980s levels, but no one is expecting that, not with the state the record industry is in now. And, people forget, it took several years for Rock A Little and The Other Side Of The Mirror to become Platinum sellers, so I don't think her fans expect her to sell massively. A top ten / five placement is expected, one would think.

As for Fleetwood Mac outselling Stevie, I'd contest that claim too. Bella Donna outsold Tusk and Mirage, as someone else said, and Street Angel and TISL sold pretty much the same as Time and SYW. Stevie's success IS Fleetwood Mac's success now, in my eyes. If Stevie isn't selling, Fleetwood Mac won't sell.

[Tango]

Hello All

I am going to try and be as gentle as I can on this. Bottom line, I am a LB & FM fan first and for most. Sadly, I have come the conclusion that LB will never sell records SOLO wise, regardless. LB just doesn’t have a solo following, which is fine by me.

Having said that, my question is, what kind of sales are we expecting for IYD ?

From what Lindsey has said, Stevie would be a part of "the big machine" that he likes to join when he's not doing his solo work so that he can continue to do his solo work. He has been under appreciated by the masses that DO respond to him when he is with Fleetwood Mac. Lindsey's brilliance is somehow not recognized when he is not with the machine (that is an understatement). A lot of that is because he missed so many opportunities. Years and years went by without capitolizing on his solo work, particularly not putting out anything after The Dance. I can count at least 20 people that used to post on the Lindsey board that aren't even here any more following The Dance. (several have even died, believing he would one day bring his solo album to fruition.) It has nothing to do with lack of talent. It has everything to do with lack of timing. I think he thought the clock would wait for him.

Lindsey has clearly done so much for Stevie's music in Fleetwood Mac over the years (despite, as he has said, not even wanting to help her in band ventures) and has gotten to the point where he even contributed several times to her solo ventures in recent years (Twisted, I Miss You, Soldier Angel, etc). I have been to Lindsey's solo shows and have been blown away every time. I've also had amazing times over the years seeing Stevie, but even Stevie fans have been disappointed that she does not change her setlist. Despite that, her solo outtings have done better than Lindsey's but they have been dropping. Stevie has always kept in contact with her fans in some way. She tours relentlessly. Lindsey did not. He didn't even tour behind some of his solo albums. Missed opportunities. He was financially well off and probably didn't feel it was necessary and continued to work on Fleetwood Mac albums-until he was literally sick of them all.

I don't know what kind of sales you are expecting for IYD. I really don't know what it will sell, but I don't think she can outsell Fleetwood Mac, and I don't think anyone associated with Fleetwood Mac can outsell Rumours. Even if Christine McVie came back, they will never be able to pull that off again. Their fans have pretty much moved on. They all wasted a lot of time.

[Musicman408]

thats total crap, SN has sold records, and if, I say IF she doesnt sell them now, nyou are all ok with that, meaning, no big deal, amazing. LB has nothing to prove, nothing, his solo work material wise blows any SN SOLO project out of the water, and SN success was mainly cause how she looked, amazing ppl dont see that, they are bashing the young ppl artist, bubble gum for the exact, well, almost exact things she did in her hey day

amazing, how this is a double standard, I just dont get it, I really dont

Yea, lets see what BIG venues SN sells out, ppl are really reaching for straws , Rod Stewart was the head line, not her, and you ppl think she has a chance of selling out venues, amazing

if SN would have sold 300,000 back in 1985 or 1990, you all would have big time said,

"oh bomb"

"what a failure"

but, now thats ok?

i dont get it

Promise you this as example, Shania Twain and or Celine Dion aint never gonna NOT Sell, and sometimes SN fans act like she can hold a candle to those ladies

weird

I'm not really understanding AT ALL why you're here trying to create this kind of scene.

Let's get a few things straight. NOBODY sells the kinds of albums they used to back in the day. If Fleetwood Mac were in their heyday now, they would not have sold 30 million copies of Rumours because the demographic and percentage of the population buying albums is SMALLER!!

You are entitled to your opinion, and that's fine. I happen to be big fans of both Stevie and Lindsey's solo work, but wouldn't come into either forum and try to stir up a mess like this- ESPECIALLY with this kind of joyous occasion of the release of a new album.

There really is no double standard of which you speak- I don't understand where you're coming from. We are the Stevie die hard fans, and most of us really aren't overly concerned about how well this record does in terms of charting. WE F-ING LOVE IT! We are not the mainstream, we are at the extreme end of the fan spectrum. So I don't understand this double standard, "coming up with excuses" for if the album sells well or not. Regardless if it sold 100,000 copies or 10,000,000 copies, our opinion of the thing is going to be THE SAME!!

Yes, back in the day if Stevie albums were selling 300,000 copies that would be CONSIDERABLY less. HOWEVER, 300,000 copies now is NOT 300,000 from back then..... it's not., so to compare her potential sales of this album (300,000) for example, and we say we're pleased with that or whatever- that is NOT A DOUBLE STANDARD! 300,000 is a more considerable share of the market compared to 1980. Yes, 300,000 back then would have kind of been "blah" but that's not what she sold, so I don't know why it's being brought up.

I understand you like Lindsey, and perhaps you WISH his music was more commercially appreciated than Stevie's. I don't really know what your motives are here in this discussion, but it comes off as very contrite, and bitter.

[Heartboy]

I am positive she will debut in the top 10, and I am positive that this album will go gold. Platinum would be great, but I am not so sure about that. I am also sure she will be nominated for a Grammy.

Best thing posted in this thread! :thumbsup:

David, there's no need to be jealous! ;)

[jellyman10]

I've been in the pub.

Lindsey has not sold as many records because he's less talented. There, I've said it.

[markolas]

Oh, I get it. You're just here to bash Stevie.

[KarmaContestant]

As a fan, I don't place too much importance on album sales. I like what I like and it doesn't matter to me if other people like it as much as I do. I do like a lot of singers and bands who don't really sell much anyway, and I certainly don't hear them on the radio much. Of course I'd love to see Stevie have a platinum album and get lots of airplay, but it's not expected and I don't really see any point to making excuses in the future for why something didn't happen that wasn't expected to happen in the first place. I doubt that many of Stevie's fans, in 2011, entertain any illusions about her place in the modern music scene. Doesn't mean it won't be talked about, and I don't think that's a double-standard. :shrug:

What is important to me is that Stevie is on-record saying she liked making this record so much that she wants to do more. That outweighs sales more than anything, for me.

Ultimately, I think the OP is calling us all 'fanbois'. I love Stevie's music - it's been the soundtrack to my life. Not the soundtrack that plays for others, but my own personal soundtrack that I keep close. To say her music means a lot to me and that I want her to be happy and successful so she keeps making more would be an understatement. So I guess I'm a fanboi.

And come on, comparing Stevie to Celine and Shania? Who does that? That's like...craft beer and vodka. One is handcrafted, subtley nuanced with colors and flavors, produced with care and relished by a smaller group of people, while the other is mass produced, mass marketed and in general, overdone. Of course, I still like them both. :)

[tabruns]

I don't get the point of this either. Lindsey has always sold less but that doesn't mean anything. Both he and Stevie have put out great albums.

We have a Top 10 in Billboard now where some of the albums are selling 20,000 that week. I don't think that would have been the case back in the day. Albums are just selling less and less. Lady Gaga's "The Fame" has gone triple platinum (last time it was certified) and that's now considered amazing.

I think In Your Dreams will debut in the Top 10. I have no idea how much it will sell. Frankly anything north of 200,000 would be amazing in this day and age. If she actually scored a Gold album I think that would be a greater achievement at this time than Bella Donna going double platinum it's first year.

[macfanken]

i don't understand what the point is that you're trying to make. :confused:

thats total crap, SN has sold records, and if, I say IF she doesnt sell them now, nyou are all ok with that, meaning, no big deal, amazing. LB has nothing to prove, nothing, his solo work material wise blows any SN SOLO project out of the water, and SN success was mainly cause how she looked, amazing ppl dont see that, they are bashing the young ppl artist, bubble gum for the exact, well, almost exact things she did in her hey day



uh oh. :eek:

[StevieRox81]

Hello All

I am going to try and be as gentle as I can on this. Bottom line, I am a LB & FM fan first and for most. Sadly, I have come the conclusion that LB will never sell records SOLO wise, regardless. LB just doesn’t have a solo following, which is fine by me.

Having said that, my question is, what kind of sales are we expecting for IYD ? as far as what needs to be reached to NOT make this a bomb and or disappointment. SN as a solo act , in my view is creditable, I mean, I don’t think she’s ever done anything past her 2nd solo record, BUT having said that, I can’t deny her actual numbers. So, she SHOULD be able to sell, however, I do realize that today’s music is drastically different, and I think with FM Say You Will album results, SALES wise made me even more realize this. But, I often think that SN fans are known for coming up with a bunch of excuses. And, since LB never sells, no one can say im making this a challenge, it’s not, LB can release the cure for cancer, and it won’t sell, which is fine. SN has a track record, all be it early on, of selling platinum, multi platinum albums, and I think that a bunch of you are already lining up excuses for when it does NOT sell, you can’t have your cake and eat it to, and I don’t know how ppl can say that LB doesn’t sell, and then when and if IYD doesn’t sell, you guys are going to use those same excuses. SN has sold, so why isn’t she expected to now?

Honestly, she should and I realistically expect her to debut IYD in the top 10 . Honestly, if she doesn’t debut in top 10, that’s not good, and I don’t get how anyone can say that a outside the top 10 is ok

Sales wise, I would say platinum and up is a freaking home run, and id be the first to congratulate her, even though I highly doubt it, Honestly, she HAS to at least go old. No way she sells 300,000 and ppl can say that’s a success.

It’s a double standard, for years, ppl would use the argument that SN solo career was better than LBs and many ppl would say look at the sales, which is fine, but NOW, people are preparing arguments for when IYD doesn’t sell, that it’s ok

U can’t have it both ways. So, what is the expectation here? And don’t use the critical acclaim argument, because no offense, SN SOLO career aint exactly known for critical acclaim, she has hung her hat on her sales, so honestly if she debuts at like #13 and ends up selling 300,000 copies, that is a bomb and or a failure.

I hope ppl understand what im saying. It just sounds like many excuses are being prepared. It’s funny because it sounds like many SN fans may end up using the LB excuse, “well, its critically acclaimed, and that’s all that matters”, which for LB is fine and true, because he hung his hat on hat. Bottom line, SN hung her hat on her solo sales, and she’s going to live or die (sales wise, no harm intended) by those sales, and I just don’t see how IYD can sell ENOUGH , as far as SN sales to be a success

This is so ridiculous I was going to ignore this thread and not respond, but I have one thing to say...

You have NO idea what Stevie's fans are all about!

[jellyman10]

It doesn't mean anything. Beiber sells more than either of them. You'll be happier if you just like what you like and not bother whether you're in the majority on anything.

[Tango]

It doesn't mean anything. Beiber sells more than either of them. You'll be happier if you just like what you like and not bother whether you're in the majority on anything.

You are absolutely right! It's not a competition.

[GoldDustBoy]

Sure I fell for the looks of a 50+ woman as a gay guy with a major degree in classical music who grew up with Led Zep, Pink Floyd, The Beatles etc. :lol:

[Keith]

however many copies of Stevie's new album does end up selling..

she'll sell more in her first week than Lindsey will sell in his total for each of his albums.. and I do love me some Lindsey. .. but come on dude..

anyways.. I'm off to Rolling Stone.. had no idea the album was available via stream.. trying to wait.. but can't.. of course, I just got back from the pub, a bit drunk... the caps lost game 1... and I really could use some new Stevie Nicks.. here I go.. In Your Dreams...

[mikephxaz]

you're original discussion points lost all there credibility when you try compare nicks to twain or celine...stevie is a singer/songwriter celine is a vocalists and twain is none of the above... twain has struggled to even maintain any career...she, like dion rely on songwriters to piece together albums...celine's vocal abilities are legendary but you want to compare stevie's long history in the industry to those two? really? Wow....I'm starting to think that the others on this thread are right ....you intentions are just to pick a losing fight because Lindsey's solo career can't compare to steve's...just turn off your computer, pour yourself a glass of wine and put on Lindsey's masterpiece from Family Vacation....eeuuuuhhhhh:eek:

[gypsy4life]

Here goes:
I normally avoid posting on these types of threads, but, after my initial listen of IYD, and the pride I feel to be a fan of Stevie's, I must say a few things.

First of all, the first post makes no sense! I fail to see the "double standard" you are advertising. You may want to clarify your thought pattern if you are going to validly prove this point.

Second, I love Fleetwood Mac, I love every member, for their own talents. I own solo albums from almost every artist to have participated in this band's decades of success. Because Stevie has had more successs as a solo artist, does not mean the others are less talented. Lindsey is not exactly producing radio popular hits, but, I still love many of his solo efforts. I happen to relate to Stevie's music more than Lindsey's, as solo artists, but, that does not constitute any type of "double standard".

I am assuming, which is never safe to do, that your "double standard" point, is the issue with sales.
To this, I say- who cares?!!! With the current state of the record industry, and the sheer crap they promote, I could give a care less about who sales what! If you like it,- buy it- groove to it- and carry on!!

Last, I am very proud of Stevie on this new album, and I feel people who are only airing out frustrations about record sales of another artist should just leave us alone. Let us have this moment, and move on.

[tabruns]

I think Lindsey's albums are *amazing*.....it doesn't matter that they don't sell as well. Both Lindsey and Stevie are incredible artists. Truly they are in the "big leagues" as far as rock'n'roll artists go.

[Jondalar]

Hello All

I am going to try and be as gentle as I can on this. Bottom line, I am a LB & FM fan first and for most. Sadly, I have come the conclusion that LB will never sell records SOLO wise, regardless. LB just doesn’t have a solo following, which is fine by me.

Having said that, my question is, what kind of sales are we expecting for IYD ? as far as what needs to be reached to NOT make this a bomb and or disappointment. SN as a solo act , in my view is creditable, I mean, I don’t think she’s ever done anything past her 2nd solo record, BUT having said that, I can’t deny her actual numbers. So, she SHOULD be able to sell, however, I do realize that today’s music is drastically different, and I think with FM Say You Will album results, SALES wise made me even more realize this. But, I often think that SN fans are known for coming up with a bunch of excuses. And, since LB never sells, no one can say im making this a challenge, it’s not, LB can release the cure for cancer, and it won’t sell, which is fine. SN has a track record, all be it early on, of selling platinum, multi platinum albums, and I think that a bunch of you are already lining up excuses for when it does NOT sell, you can’t have your cake and eat it to, and I don’t know how ppl can say that LB doesn’t sell, and then when and if IYD doesn’t sell, you guys are going to use those same excuses. SN has sold, so why isn’t she expected to now?

Honestly, she should and I realistically expect her to debut IYD in the top 10 . Honestly, if she doesn’t debut in top 10, that’s not good, and I don’t get how anyone can say that a outside the top 10 is ok

Sales wise, I would say platinum and up is a freaking home run, and id be the first to congratulate her, even though I highly doubt it, Honestly, she HAS to at least go old. No way she sells 300,000 and ppl can say that’s a success.

It’s a double standard, for years, ppl would use the argument that SN solo career was better than LBs and many ppl would say look at the sales, which is fine, but NOW, people are preparing arguments for when IYD doesn’t sell, that it’s ok

U can’t have it both ways. So, what is the expectation here? And don’t use the critical acclaim argument, because no offense, SN SOLO career aint exactly known for critical acclaim, she has hung her hat on her sales, so honestly if she debuts at like #13 and ends up selling 300,000 copies, that is a bomb and or a failure.

I hope ppl understand what im saying. It just sounds like many excuses are being prepared. It’s funny because it sounds like many SN fans may end up using the LB excuse, “well, its critically acclaimed, and that’s all that matters”, which for LB is fine and true, because he hung his hat on hat. Bottom line, SN hung her hat on her solo sales, and she’s going to live or die (sales wise, no harm intended) by those sales, and I just don’t see how IYD can sell ENOUGH , as far as SN sales to be a success

I buy Lindsey's record consistently. I'm a follower. However, it's not like Lindsey is commercial. Some of his solo albums have been sort of wacko. Lindsey looks down on commercial success. He's pushed it away.

[tbaker3]

you're original discussion points lost all there credibility when you try compare nicks to twain or celine...stevie is a singer/songwriter celine is a vocalists and twain is none of the above... twain has struggled to even maintain any career...she, like dion rely on songwriters to piece together albums...celine's vocal abilities are legendary but you want to compare stevie's long hystory in the industry to those two? really? Wow....I'm starting to think that the others on this thread are right ....you intentions are just to pick a losing fight because Lindsey's solo career can't compare to steve's...just turn off your computer, pour yourself a glass of wine and put on Lindsey's masterpiece from Family Vacation....eeuuuuhhhhh:eek:

Had I been drinking something, it would have been coming out of my nose once I got to this line.

The award for best Zinger of the day goes to....