Album Leak (false alarm!)

[ryguy2010]

Was so on my way to bed until i saw this. is this legit?

http://albumleak.net/stevie-nicks-in-your-dreams-leak

[Dodfather]

I really, really hope not. Stevie has said over and over again that one of the reasons she is so adverse to technology and new forms of promotion is because things like this can happen. If the album has been leaked it will just confirm all her suspicions and may sour her on doing another album within the next few years!

[louielouie2000]

I'm betting that's a clever marketing trap. It demands all of this personal, private info and it won't let you trick it with fake phone numbers, etc. I'm sure as heck not giving out that info to some faceless website!

[Dodfather]

I'm betting that's a clever marketing trap. It demands all of this personal, private info and it won't let you trick it with fake phone numbers, etc. I'm sure as heck not giving out that info to some faceless website!

Genius idea if it's a marketing move!
Louie - your signature pic is awesome (you knew I;d like it though didn't you?!)

[skuncles]

It appears the album is indeed out there if you know where to look.

[mezzoforte]

It appears the album is indeed out there if you know where to look.

Does that mean you got it to work?

[BombaySapphire3]

It appears the album is indeed out there if you know where to look.

This might be true if even obscure critics in Ohio have copies to review..but it seems like you still might have to be a computer geek to find it.:shrug:

[skuncles]

Does that mean you got it to work?

No, but I did a search and a ton of links came up. Most likely what is going on is that the album is shipping already and people who have the album (stock room people etc) are swiping a copy. OR if there are promo copies, those are being posted. I had the promo of TISL a month before the actual release.

[BombaySapphire3]

This album has had a much much tighter lid on it than TISL or SYW .I had a promo copy of TISL by the second half of March 2001 with no industry connections at all.It is getting down to the wire here though.

[skuncles]

This album has had a much much tighter lid on it than TISL or SYW .I had a promo copy of TISL by the second half of March 2001 with no industry connections at all.It is getting down to the wire here though.

I kind of expected that with this album. Gone are the days of press packets being sent out with a copy of the album and press kits. Also Stevie isn't out promoting it prior to it's release so for all intents and purposes no one has a copy. But the timing is right for the album to making an appearence. I expected a week or so before it's release it would pop up online.

[kak125]

i tried the link and when i went to download it, something popped up telling me i had to do something else first so i just exited off the page. i am at work and dont want a virus on my computer - ha!

[GoldDustBoy]

I managed to download the "album", and it's packed in a password protected rar file. Does anyone know how to open the thing? I'll upload the file if anyone is willing to try to open it.

[Thrown_Down]

I don't think I would. It's either a virus or a red herring in my opinion, or else why make you jump through so many hoops to get it. I'm not convinced.

[10milestereo]

^The password protected rar file is a very common hoax. It's pretty safe to assume that any files asking for a password or a survey to be completed before access is a fake.

[markolas]

^The password protected rar file is a very common hoax. It's pretty safe to assume that any files asking for a password or a survey to be completed before access is a fake.

I found the same thing, but the site won't let me download the .rar file that contains the password unless I become a premium member or wait 30 minutes. :laugh:

What is in there, if not the album? Just an empty folder? It says it was uploaded on 2/20/11, which seems really early - you'd think if it had leaked that early, more people would have it/know about it.

[10milestereo]

It most likely has a bunch of fake mp3 files that you can't access without a password anyway. There have been multiple rar files like this for the upcoming Kate Bush album.

[GoldDustBoy]

^The password protected rar file is a very common hoax. It's pretty safe to assume that any files asking for a password or a survey to be completed before access is a fake.

I know that, but I'm desperate. :)

[markolas]

It most likely has a bunch of fake mp3 files that you can't access without a password anyway. There have been multiple rar files like this for the upcoming Kate Bush album.

But how are they fake mp3 files? Just mp3 files that are dead air? Or did somebody record themselves saying "Sucker!" or something?

[Thrown_Down]

But how are they fake mp3 files? Just mp3 files that are dead air? Or did somebody record themselves saying "Sucker!" or something?

I don't know. I remember Madonna getting press for having recorded herself saying 'Stop stealing my f@^&*ing music' and uploading it to the internet just before her American Life album was released, so stranger things have happened.

[RickRobert]

I'm quite suprised it hasn't leaked actually, considering it's out in like two weeks.

[BombaySapphire3]

I don't know. I remember Madonna getting press for having recorded herself saying 'Stop stealing my f@^&*ing music' and uploading it to the internet just before her American Life album was released, so stranger things have happened.

Someone actually tried to "steal" that steaming pile of offal?!:lol:The ol' shyster should have instead been begging someone to sit through it.

[Thrown_Down]

^ Hey, I actually kinda liked that album, even though it was a bit sub-par. I'm fairly sure you weren't as keen, judging by your vivid description of it.

[BombaySapphire3]

^ Hey, I actually kinda liked that album, even though it was a bit sub-par. I'm fairly sure you weren't as keen, judging by your vivid description of it.

I can't stand her..never could but from what little I could stomach it was particularly bad.

[10milestereo]

But how are they fake mp3 files? Just mp3 files that are dead air? Or did somebody record themselves saying "Sucker!" or something?
Dead air or just a bunch of mp3s of previously released songs, which people who have no lives like to speed up and slow down and such. I don't know why people bother doing it, but they do.

[Bandon]

Didn't we have leaked tracks from TISL a few weeks before its release?

The radio stations should get their advanced copies of IYD anytime now and start playing tracks by this Friday. Thats my guess. :shrug:

[tristanbmusic]

Do your computer a favour.
DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS.

The rar links NEVER work because it is impossible to ever get the password for them. Advertisement companies pay websites to set up these links so people will give them their emails, personal info, etc.
Stevie is being amazingly protective of the album, but expect it about a week before the release date should it ever leak. Torrent sites such as btjunkie or piratebay will have it by then should it even leak.
Stevie shouldn't worry about album sales because of that though. It seems Mr. Paul Simon did quite well on the charts even though his album was leaked a week before.
Fingers crossed.

[skuncles]

Nearly every major album released these days gets leaked prior to it's release. The question is do you want to take the risk of getting a possible virus by downloading them?

[estranged4life]

I would avoid the 'leak' downloads available online, nothing more than adware and phishing scams.

Btw, Just to humor myself, I just checked the 'leak' download file sizes (.mp3 format), definitely 'something' you don't want to download.

[ryguy2010]

Would someone please tell me what the rules are for album leaks are? Would it be legal to d/l since we pre-ordered and paid for the c.d? All the piracy stuff confuses me.

[olive]

Would someone please tell me what the rules are for album leaks are? Would it be legal to d/l since we pre-ordered and paid for the c.d? All the piracy stuff confuses me.

It's stealing ..and I am surprised how many of her ""FANS" are willing to do this , knowing how she feels about it. i don't understand the whole gimme attitude

[ryguy2010]

It's stealing ..and I am surprised how many of her ""FANS" are willing to do this , knowing how she feels about it. i don't understand the whole gimme attitude
Well ty for clarifying I just assumed it was legal as long as we purchased the album. I guess in retrospect it was naive of me to think so. But I believe us die hard junkies are just itching to hear ASAP

[GoldDustBoy]

It's stealing ..and I am surprised how many of her ""FANS" are willing to do this , knowing how she feels about it. i don't understand the whole gimme attitude

Yeah... I wonder how she feels about me purchasing four copies already beside the fact that I can hardly make both ends meet.

[olive]

Yeah... I wonder how she feels about me purchasing four copies already beside the fact that I can hardly make both ends meet.

I'm sure accountant loves the fact you bought 4.

Why do you need 4 copies?

[GoldDustBoy]

I'm sure accountant loves the fact you bought 4.

Why do you need 4 copies?

One for me, one for my mom, and one for each of my best friends. Shower the people you love with Stevie goodies I say. :)

[ryguy2010]

One for me, one for my mom, and one for each of my best friends. Shower the people you love with Stevie goodies I say. :)

I admire this. So for people that buy mult copies like u and others why would Stevie care about an early peak? To me it is sort of like a BOGO Free deal.

[skuncles]

I will end up with muliple copies as well, have for all of the albums. Even though I'd had the promo of TISL for at least a month before it was released, I still went out first thing to pick the album up. I don't buy them just to have a bunch of copies though there is always a reason why I have so many.
Speaking only for TISL, I ended up with two promo copies and two commercially released versions. One I bought the day of release, the other was the selection of the month for Columbia House Record Club and I let them send it as well, that one has never been opened only because I have no reason to open it. I have an unopened copy of Street Angel as well (for that album I have 2 commercial copies, 1 promo copy and 1 import version).

[APerfectLie]

It's stealing ..and I am surprised how many of her ""FANS" are willing to do this , knowing how she feels about it. i don't understand the whole gimme attitude

Because those fans have shelled out the $17-34 for the preorder and WB continually withdraws the money from their account on a whim before they shipped the product. Not to mention WB steals 40% of the revenue where Stevie only gets about 10% per album sold. Illegal pirating is not going anywhere, and despite the fact that record sales are down, tickets and merch are way up. The music industry as a whole is growing, but WB has iced Stevie's glass and filled it with their Kool-Aid. They have convinced her that the music industry is FAILING and filled her with fear, when actually the music industry is doing well, it is the fat cat record labels that are failing. With the current technology, artistd no longer need labels and it is time Stevie listened to the rain.

[Bryan]

It's stealing ..and I am surprised how many of her ""FANS" are willing to do this , knowing how she feels about it. i don't understand the whole gimme attitude

There is NOTHING wrong with a try-before-you-buy.Especially when you've pre-ordered.
I download illegally and always buy the albums I like on CD.I have eclectic taste and there is no way I'm buying hundreds of albums in one go.Only the best ones get purchased.And the artists I like.I'd never support the a$$hole artists that don't deserve it.

[GoldDustBoy]

I admire this. So for people that buy mult copies like u and others why would Stevie care about an early peak? To me it is sort of like a BOGO Free deal.

We all know that Stevie is disappointed by the album sales. I believe that if things were different, she wouldn't put out a new album every 10 years. Realizing that you are not the mega-giga-superstar you once were must hurt. I love her, and I love her music, so if I can help her feel better, like she did many times for me, I will. This is also the first time my mom showed some interest in Stevies music, and over the years I got so much beautiful music from my friends that it's just natural I bought a copy for them too.

[olive]

Because those fans have shelled out the $17-34 for the preorder and WB continually withdraws the money from their account on a whim before they shipped the product. Not to mention WB steals 40% of the revenue where Stevie only gets about 10% per album sold. Illegal pirating is not going anywhere, and despite the fact that record sales are down, tickets and merch are way up. The music industry as a whole is growing, but WB has iced Stevie's glass and filled it with their Kool-Aid. They have convinced her that the music industry is FAILING and filled her with fear, when actually the music industry is doing well, it is the fat cat record labels that are failing. With the current technology, artistd no longer need labels and it is time Stevie listened to the rain.

well that put's it all in to prospective , I won't feel guilty downloading the copy I found and listening to it .

[saintvox]

well that put's it all in to prospective , I won't feel guilty downloading the copy I found and listening to it .

What copy?

And also I've been lurking in this Stevie forum for a while now, but been too lazy to actually log in, so I guess this also a hi. :laugh:

[KarmaContestant]

We all know that Stevie is disappointed by the album sales. I believe that if things were different, she wouldn't put out a new album every 10 years. Realizing that you are not the mega-giga-superstar you once were must hurt. I love her, and I love her music, so if I can help her feel better, like she did many times for me, I will. This is also the first time my mom showed some interest in Stevies music, and over the years I got so much beautiful music from my friends that it's just natural I bought a copy for them too.

If Stevie would record albums more frequently, her sales would likely be greater than they are for the one-off album every 7-10 years. As it is now, people forget she exists in between albums. She does herself a disservice by letting the fans forget.

I'm not saying she'd have a string of multi-platinum albums; but just making the point that if she actually released new material with any sort of reliable frequency, her sales would be greater since each album release would boost the sales of prior releases. More releases=more opportunities for additional sales of prior releases.

Stevie has been getting terrible advice! Whoever told her to stop making music because no one would buy it is a terrible person. Clearly, none of her musical peers followed this advice so I'm not sure why she fell for it so readily.

[tabruns]

It's stealing ..and I am surprised how many of her ""FANS" are willing to do this , knowing how she feels about it. i don't understand the whole gimme attitude

I totally agree.

[tabruns]

There is NOTHING wrong with a try-before-you-buy.Especially when you've pre-ordered.
I download illegally and always buy the albums I like on CD.I have eclectic taste and there is no way I'm buying hundreds of albums in one go.Only the best ones get purchased.And the artists I like.I'd never support the a$$hole artists that don't deserve it.

You can "try before you buy" really easily by listening to snippets on iTunes. I do that all the time. It doesn't require illegal downloading.

[Bryan]

If Stevie would record albums more frequently, her sales would likely be greater than they are for the one-off album every 7-10 years. As it is now, people forget she exists in between albums. She does herself a disservice by letting the fans forget.

I'm not saying she'd have a string of multi-platinum albums; but just making the point that if she actually released new material with any sort of reliable frequency, her sales would be greater since each album release would boost the sales of prior releases. More releases=more opportunities for additional sales of prior releases.

Stevie has been getting terrible advice! Whoever told her to stop making music because no one would buy it is a terrible person. Clearly, none of her musical peers followed this advice so I'm not sure why she fell for it so readily.

I honestly think she's terrified of flops.Her ego can't handle not being a huge deal.She clung to that TISL glory for a long time.If this one isn't the huge success she's hoping for I wouldn't be surprised if she stops doing solo albums

[Bandon]

I doubt the dedicated fans on this site would download a copy and not buy the CD. They want the "whole package" with artwork, liner notes, etc. I think it's the causual fans who would download the music and not buy the cd. Casual fans don't hang around this fan forum.....:cool:

[Bryan]

You can "try before you buy" really easily by listening to snippets on iTunes. I do that all the time. It doesn't require illegal downloading.

Not enough.It only takes a short time to download,so why the hell not.I remain unapologetic,especially where major labels and itunes are concerned.

[Bryan]

I doubt the dedicated fans on this site would download a copy and not buy the CD. They want the "whole package" with artwork, liner notes, etc. I think it's the causual fans who would download the music and not buy the cd. Casual fans don't hang around this fan forum.....:cool:

Yep I say the same:thumbsup:

[saintvox]

I doubt the dedicated fans on this site would download a copy and not buy the CD. They want the "whole package" with artwork, liner notes, etc. I think it's the causual fans who would download the music and not buy the cd. Casual fans don't hang around this fan forum.....:cool:

Oh definitely, I plan to buy at least a digital copy of it if I can't find a hard one. I don't like using the internet to order things or it'd be really easy. :shrug:

Most fan forums don't consist of people who don't support the artist.

[kak125]

i usually dont download anything for free unless its a cd i am going to buy but want to hear first. not sure why stevie doesnt put her cd up on aolmusic.com or something before it comes out. britney's cd was on there before her cd came out and even a week or so afterwards as well as the foo fighters.
anyway i am dying to hear this cd because i simply cant wait any longer. i will be buying at least 2 copies as of right now.

[BombaySapphire3]

well that put's it all in to prospective , I won't feel guilty downloading the copy I found and listening to it .

Since you're the first on here to find it why not give us your own song by song impression of "In Your Dreams:!:]

[Silylily]

I want to wait until I get the actual CD, if there is a leak. It's my ritual to just get into the whole package, read the lyrics and liner notes. That's what makes the music so exciting when I hear it for the first time.

[saintvox]

So has it really leaked this time?

Because I've searched in the internet twice a day each day, and only found fakes and that's still all I'm seeing.

[Bryan]

I want to wait until I get the actual CD, if there is a leak. It's my ritual to just get into the whole package, read the lyrics and liner notes. That's what makes the music so exciting when I hear it for the first time.

Mine too. But since I've heard we might not have it here in Ireland until June then i'm downloading an illegal FLAC of it while I wait for my pre-ordered CD.Really hope to have it next Friday though as per original release date

[BombaySapphire3]

So has it really leaked this time?

Because I've searched in the internet twice a day each day, and only found fakes and that's still all I'm seeing.

No one has yet to provide any legit evidence that they have any leaked tracks so far.

[TheWILDheart]

Well, I've pre-ordered both the standard US edition of IYD, plus 4 copies of the UK release and I'm promoting this album left right and centre - I will have NO problem downloading a leak or torrent file on release date just so I'm not missing out on anything. I'm still paying for the album...several times.

[used karma]

That site has Gaga's new album up for download, and it certainly hasn't leaked. If any of you downloaded from that site, you should delete it.

[saintvox]

That site has Gaga's new album up for download, and it certainly hasn't leaked. If any of you downloaded from that site, you should delete it.

Yeah that sites bad.

It just puts up whatever new ones came out. They probably get paid from advertising or such and you get a crap download. Happens all the time. :laugh:

[Macfanforever]

"Warning " Also everybody who does check these sites out.you better beware of viruses that might be lurking about.I will stay away .I will just sit until to the 3rd.

[saintvox]

"Warning " Also everybody who does check these sites out.you better beware of viruses that might be lurking about.I will stay away .I will just sit until to the 3rd.

That's honestly not true most of the time. I've got like 3 viruses since I've been using a computer. The key is that if it looks too good to be true, it is. If the CD leaks it won't only be one site.

Remember not to let your fanhood cloud your intelligence. :thumbsup:

[Macfanforever]

That's honestly not true most of the time. I've got like 3 viruses since I've been using a computer. The key is that if it looks too good to be true, it is. If the CD leaks it won't only be one site.

Remember not to let your fanhood cloud your intelligence. :thumbsup:

Yes I understand.anyd I agree.We only got a little over a week in a half to go,I figure by now something wiill get through.For her sake I hope not.To come to mind I cant remember the artists name .A while back their cd got leaked online .I cant racall their name.

[saintvox]

Yes I understand.anyd I agree.We only got a little over a week in a half to go,I figure by now something wiill get through.For her sake I hope not.To come to mind I cant remember the artists name .A while back their cd got leaked online .I cant racall their name.

In Stevie's case, I'm sad to say that only her diehard fans are going to buy the album on faith. The first single wasn't a huge success either.

But people my age may download it, even though it's illegal, realize they like it, and then buy her CDs.

That's what I did after all.

[tabruns]

In Stevie's case, I'm sad to say that only her diehard fans are going to buy the album on faith. The first single wasn't a huge success either.


Hrm. I can't predict how the album will do as that seems very fluid, but I believe that "Every Day" off of Trouble In Shangri-La (which went Gold) peaked at #17 on Adult Contemporary while "Secret Love" has peaked so far at #19, so that's really not that bad.

[madeline]

Was so on my way to bed until i saw this. is this legit?

http://albumleak.net/stevie-nicks-in-your-dreams-leak

There is a website I stumbled upon called Mediafiretrend.com. They have 4 different links up there for Stevie's album. The first one says Stevie Nicks In your dreams.iso and that link had 12, 584 downloads. The second link said Extra quality In your dreams which had 4,537 downloads. Then the third one said Hot Release In your dreams and that one had 5,362 downloads, and the fourth one said In your dreams with 12,297 downloads. Now personally I hope I am wrong about this but if this really is Stevie's album it is being downloaded by thousands of people. The bit torrent sites that I looked at had that album flagged as fake. So maybe someone from here on the ledge could go look at that website and see what you think. And if someone comes back and tells me I am an idiot I'll be happy to hear it because I don't want to see Stevie miss out on all those album sales.

[used karma]

They all seem to be over a week old, and one is a .exe file. They're fake.

[saintvox]

There is a website I stumbled upon called Mediafiretrend.com. They have 4 different links up there for Stevie's album. The first one says Stevie Nicks In your dreams.iso and that link had 12, 584 downloads. The second link said Extra quality In your dreams which had 4,537 downloads. Then the third one said Hot Release In your dreams and that one had 5,362 downloads, and the fourth one said In your dreams with 12,297 downloads. Now personally I hope I am wrong about this but if this really is Stevie's album it is being downloaded by thousands of people. The bit torrent sites that I looked at had that album flagged as fake. So maybe someone from here on the ledge could go look at that website and see what you think. And if someone comes back and tells me I am an idiot I'll be happy to hear it because I don't want to see Stevie miss out on all those album sales.

It's okay dear, it's actually an ad that you saw for another downloading site. I went and checked. It's fake, meant to get you to subscribe to one of those monthly download sites.

And also downloads doesn't mean loss record sales. It could actually help her reach people of my generation who don't have a clue who she is. I downloaded some of her albums and loved them so much that I bought.

Had the downloads not been available, she would have loss out on the sales of her albums to me, and to others I have recommenced her to. Someone needs to inform her of that aspect of them.

[APerfectLie]

It's okay dear, it's actually an ad that you saw for another downloading site. I went and checked. It's fake, meant to get you to subscribe to one of those monthly download sites.

And also downloads doesn't mean loss record sales. It could actually help her reach people of my generation who don't have a clue who she is. I downloaded some of her albums and loved them so much that I bought.

Had the downloads not been available, she would have loss out on the sales of her albums to me, and to others I have recommenced her to. Someone needs to inform her of that aspect of them.

This exactly. Recorded music is not necessarily the cash cow product anymore. Illegal downloading should not be feared, but embraced. Even if millions of people illegally download the album, it means millions of people are listening to it. If people are listening to it and liking it, chances are they will go out and buy some of her albums, or atleast some merch or a concert ticket. If they aren't liking it, then do you blame them for not buying it in the first place?

[tbaker3]

well that put's it all in to prospective , I won't feel guilty downloading the copy I found and listening to it .

lies. bad ones.

[RockALittle250]

It is shocking that the album has not leaked yet. As everyone else has said, they really are keeping a tight lid on this one.

However, it would be nice to be able to stream a preview for each song on iTunes. I believe this to be the fault of WBR tho, because Emmylou Harris has her album coming out next Tuesday (the 26th) and you can't hear song previews from her album either on iTunes or Amazon.

[used karma]

This exactly. Recorded music is not necessarily the cash cow product anymore. Illegal downloading should not be feared, but embraced. Even if millions of people illegally download the album, it means millions of people are listening to it. If people are listening to it and liking it, chances are they will go out and buy some of her albums, or atleast some merch or a concert ticket. If they aren't liking it, then do you blame them for not buying it in the first place?
Amen! Couldn't have said it better myself.

[saintvox]

It is shocking that the album has not leaked yet. As everyone else has said, they really are keeping a tight lid on this one.

However, it would be nice to be able to stream a preview for each song on iTunes. I believe this to be the fault of WBR tho, because Emmylou Harris has her album coming out next Tuesday (the 26th) and you can't hear song previews from her album either on iTunes or Amazon.

I know right. I would just set there and listen to the previews.

But I can feel it in my bones. It's gotta leak soon. I hope.:eek:

[BombaySapphire3]

It is shocking that the album has not leaked yet. As everyone else has said, they really are keeping a tight lid on this one.

However, it would be nice to be able to stream a preview for each song on iTunes. I believe this to be the fault of WBR tho, because Emmylou Harris has her album coming out next Tuesday (the 26th) and you can't hear song previews from her album either on iTunes or Amazon.

But you can listen to Emmylou's entire new album on NPR.

[Ledge Moderators]

Personal attacks against board members will not be tolerated.

Also, the debate about Lady Gaga lyrics was moved to the Chit Chat section.

[Christopher]

But you can listen to Emmylou's entire new album on NPR.
I really hope NPR/WB do this with Stevie next week. NPR streamed Adele, PJ Harvey & REM the week before their respective new releases recently. I think it's really good marketing. It gives new listeners & casual fans a much better chance to grasp the whole presentation, as opposed to song clips which can be jarring.

[tabruns]

If people are listening to it and liking it, chances are they will go out and buy some of her albums, or atleast some merch or a concert ticket.

This is completely illogical. If millions of people download her music illegally, why on Earth would they then go and *buy* her albums? You're arguing that one behavior is going to lead to the opposite behavior which doesn't really make much sense. If they're unwilling to purchase music in the first place, I don't see how stealing music will inspire them to NOT steal music.

I just think if you're an actual fan you would want to buy the music both to keep the artist continuing to record and simply out of respect that this is their trade and they should be paid for it.

[louielouie2000]

I really hope NPR/WB do this with Stevie next week. NPR streamed Adele, PJ Harvey & REM the week before their respective new releases recently. I think it's really good marketing. It gives new listeners & casual fans a much better chance to grasp the whole presentation, as opposed to song clips which can be jarring.

I know I personally cannot identify with song clips one iota. I think you nailed it, they're just jarring. I detested the Secret Love clip, but when I heard the full song for the first time it literally moved me to tears. I remember hearing the clip for Love Changes before TISL was released, and abhored it too. But when I heard the whole song I adored it, and thought it was quirky and fun.

[BombaySapphire3]

I really hope NPR/WB do this with Stevie next week. NPR streamed Adele, PJ Harvey & REM the week before their respective new releases recently. I think it's really good marketing. It gives new listeners & casual fans a much better chance to grasp the whole presentation, as opposed to song clips which can be jarring.

My guess is that there will be no streaming or even more song clips for IYD before May 3rd.Leaks are another matter.

[saintvox]

This is completely illogical. If millions of people download her music illegally, why on Earth would they then go and *buy* her albums? You're arguing that one behavior is going to lead to the opposite behavior which doesn't really make much sense. If they're unwilling to purchase music in the first place, I don't see how stealing music will inspire them to NOT steal music.

I just think if you're an actual fan you would want to buy the music both to keep the artist continuing to record and simply out of respect that this is their trade and they should be paid for it.

I stole her music first and then was inspired to buy it to get her to make more. :thumbsup:

I have no problem admitting that. I illegally downloaded alot of my favorite artists music before buying it. And I now own all of Stevie's music as well as theirs. It actually does happen, even if it doesn't make sense.

[Phoenix]

I think stealing music is still wrong. It's kind of like going into a restaurant " just to try it out " , eating all the food and then leaving before paying , and then saying "well that was pretty good I may go back" Maybe next time I'll even pay

[saintvox]

I think stealing music is still wrong. It's kind of like going into a restaurant " just to try it out " , eating all the food and then leaving before paying , and then saying "well that was pretty good I may go back" Maybe next time I'll even pay

It's the not the same thing. I've actually got a lot of people into Stevie, who have also BOUGHT her stuff. I am ashamed that that's how I started, however I didn't have unlimited funds to support someone who is already rich and hopes to get richer. I do have more money now and I'm positive I repaid an equal or greater amount then I lost her.

If an artist is really in it for the music, like Stevie says she is, then they should be glad they're album made the amount it did, whether then going all crazy about the amount they 're losing. Because illegally downloaded or not, the music is getting listened to and appreciated.'

However I honestly don't think that Stevie loses all that much from what it whatever she thinks. Most people my age don't know who she is, and we're the ones who download for the most part.

And it's not the same as your example, because when I illegal downloaded her work, she lost one sale, and then I bought it she gained one .Your example involves the restaurant losing two meals and getting paid for one. It's not the same.

[SorcererJP]

There is a Dutch saying like: 'Opportunity makes the thief', so as long is at is very very easy just to download anything you like, this will be a thing which cannot be diverted.

Besides that, before the internet you went to the recordstore, listened to a bunch of albums, read reviews, listened to the radio and bought the CD/LP's you really wanted.

Nowadays everything is available online (and for free) and lot's of people just download stuff, just to 'have it' and never listen to it. Fot sure they never would have bought it! So, from that poimt of view, the artists don't loose money. The real hard-core fans of any particular artist will buy a release somehow anyway. So I really think that any artist hardly will 'miss' a huge amount of money due tot the downloadingscene, only their work is listened to and isn't that what any perfomrer or artists wants? Not all have Frank Zasppa's credo 'We are only in it for the money'. supplBesides that, an artist hardly make any money from albums-sales. Lot's of profits goes to 'the industry'. The money is in publishing-rights and made with ticketsales for concerts.

[skuncles]

The thing about downloading that I don't understand is how is this any different than cassette copies people made in the 70's and 80's? The only difference today is you reach a much broader audience. I also don't think the person downloading the album should be the bad guy but rather the person posting and the site hosting it should be.
I know the argument is that it takes money away from the artist and label etc. But so does buying a used cd. It's perfectly fine for me to go buy a cd, decide I don't like it turn around and sell it on eBay or at a used record store. Artist and label don't make any money there either.

[whitesoxx]

Nowadays everything is available online (and for free) and lot's of people just download stuff, just to 'have it' and never listen to it. Fot sure they never would have bought it! So, from that poimt of view, the artists don't loose money. The real hard-core fans of any particular artist will buy a release somehow anyway.

I think you are forgetting the "average" music consumer here, because they are the ones that drive record sales, not the hardcore fans. Stevie does not have millions of hardcore fans, so in order for the record company to turn a profit, they need the sales of casual fans or people that may have read something about the album somewhere or saw her in concert with Rod and want to hear the album. Now if all of those people download instead of buy, Stevie and Warner have a problem.

And although I am sure she sees herself as an artist first, she IS also in it for the money, which is logical as it's her job and it costs money to record and promote an album.

[KarmaContestant]

I think this is an interesting subject (downloading music without paying for it). I feel like a reformed drug addict, because I used to download a lot of music on the original Napster, and then again on WinMX.

I've done a pretty good job of purging most of those downloads, though I'm sure I still have a few songs here and there.

Ultimately, downloading music without paying for it first is stealing. You can try to justify it any which way you choose, but if you were one of those unfortunate people who got busted by the attorneys for the RIAA, the judge you stood in front of would not care one tiny iota that you intended to purchase it later down the road, or that you pre-ordered it, or that you've since bought all of the artists albums after getting a free sample. Stealing is stealing, plain and simple, and music should not be treated any differently than any other product.

Sorry to sound like one of 'those guys'...you know, like the ex-smokers who preach about how bad smoking is? :laugh: I feel very strongly about the subject, and typically will take any opportunity to rant about it. :xoxo:

[HejiraNYC]

Here's a legal/moral dilemma I have always pondered...

What is the general consensus about free downloading of music that you have already bought on vinyl LPs many years ago? You've already paid the artist for their work. But does that entitle you to an mp3 version for your iPod? How is this any different than buying a CD and then ripping it into mp3 files for your iPod today? :shrug: IMHO, I feel that I am entitled to the mp3.

[Macfanforever]

I think this is an interesting subject (downloading music without paying for it). I feel like a reformed drug addict, because I used to download a lot of music on the original Napster, and then again on WinMX.

I've done a pretty good job of purging most of those downloads, though I'm sure I still have a few songs here and there.

Ultimately, downloading music without paying for it first is stealing. You can try to justify it any which way you choose, but if you were one of those unfortunate people who got busted by the attorneys for the RIAA, the judge you stood in front of would not care one tiny iota that you intended to purchase it later down the road, or that you pre-ordered it, or that you've since bought all of the artists albums after getting a free sample. Stealing is stealing, plain and simple, and music should not be treated any differently than any other product.



Sorry to sound like one of 'those guys'...you know, like the ex-smokers who preach about how bad smoking is? :laugh: I feel very strongly about the subject, and typically will take any opportunity to rant about it. :xoxo:

I did the same back in the day.At the time I probably did not understand, or I probably said what's the big deal is and its no different then recording a lp or of the radio.Then years past.It started to sink into my head.also remember hearing Stevie in interviews saying
about the old times that people went to the store and picked up a record ,now people
do it by a click on the mouse for free.Now if the leaks and after the release if everyones brother and sister do a mass hyjacking of her cd for free in the next couple of months ,She will be mighty pisted off and say this is it no more recording.Which I can't blame her.I hope this wont happen.Everyone has to just relax and wait until the 3rd.

[KarmaContestant]

Here's a legal/moral dilemma I have always pondered...

What is the general consensus about free downloading of music that you have already bought on vinyl LPs many years ago? You've already paid the artist for their work. But does that entitle you to an mp3 version for your iPod? How is this any different than buying a CD and then ripping it into mp3 files for your iPod today? :shrug: IMHO, I feel that I am entitled to the mp3.

I can't recall the name of the law, but it came around when cassette tapes were first introduced. it basically states that the end-user has the right to duplicate their media purchases for personal use.

It's perfectly legal for you to convert your records, tapes and CDs to a digital format and play them on your iPod, or to make mix-CDs for personal use.

It is not legal to take those digital files and make them available for others using the internet.

That's my understanding. Isn't there a Ledgie who works for the RIAA, or one of the major labels? I seem to recall there being someone here with industry connections who might be able to shed more light on the issue.

[Macfanforever]

I can't recall the name of the law, but it came around when cassette tapes were first introduced. it basically states that the end-user has the right to duplicate their media purchases for personal use.

It's perfectly legal for you to convert your records, tapes and CDs to a digital format and play them on your iPod, or to make mix-CDs for personal use.

It is not legal to take those digital files and make them available for others using the internet.

That's my understanding. Isn't there a Ledgie who works for the RIAA, or one of the major labels? I seem to recall there being someone here with industry connections who might be able to shed more light on the issue.

For personal use. thats the key word.I've been transfering records,cassette,reel to reels,8 tracks for over 35 years.Also dont forget the do not loan out the album rule.nevermind the album or cd will get ruined by the time it gets back.

[saintvox]

Ultimately, downloading music without paying for it first is stealing. You can try to justify it any which way you choose, but if you were one of those unfortunate people who got busted by the attorneys for the RIAA, the judge you stood in front of would not care one tiny iota that you intended to purchase it later down the road, or that you pre-ordered it, or that you've since bought all of the artists albums after getting a free sample. Stealing is stealing, plain and simple, and music should not be treated any differently than any other product.

:

Correct me if I'm wrong but preodering it is buying first. It's buying real ahead of actually getting it. I think it would be more of a legal grey area there or at least should be. The thing is it's illegal now but it's actually a very useful tool and there are actually artists who support it because theyve realized that. And sometimes the artist or the label may be the ones who leak it for the press.

They just need to accept that the has changed.

[Phoenix]

Correct me if I'm wrong but preodering it is buying first. It's buying real ahead of actually getting it. I think it would be more of a legal grey area there or at least should be. The thing is it's illegal now but it's actually a very useful tool and there are actually artists who support it because theyve realized that. And sometimes the artist or the label may be the ones who leak it for the press.

They just need to accept that the has changed.

So you are saying that artists need to just start giving their music away and just "accept it" right off the bat before somebody has a chance to steal it and because they'll probly steal it later on anyway? Just because the times have changed and we now have the ability to do that?:distress: I realize we're talking about music right now but is this type of logic which has grown over the last couple of years continues to continue the world will be a very scary place

[saintvox]

So you are saying that artists need to just start giving their music away and just "accept it" right off the bat before somebody has a chance to steal it and because they'll probly steal it later on anyway? Just because the times have changed and we now have the ability to do that?:distress: I realize we're talking about music right now but is this type of logic which has grown over the last couple of years continues to continue the world will be a very scary place

No I'm saying that they need to start take ADVANTAGE of the hype that it gives their music in other ways. Some artists already have. Gaga's doing quite well (sold over 50 million albums in 2 years) despite being illegally downloaded. The difference is that she knows how to channel the new music business.

It's a lie that you can't still sell A LOT of music with the biz the way it is. You just have to know how to do it.

Digital music needs to be cheaper first. I shouldn't have to pay 14 dollars for a CD that has no packaging, and isn't physical. The record label is saving money but not passing it on to us. Why not?

[Phoenix]

No I'm saying that they need to start take ADVANTAGE of the hype that it gives their music in other ways. Some artists already have. Gaga's doing quite well (sold over 50 million albums in 2 years) despite being illegally downloaded. The difference is that she knows how to channel the new music business.

It's a lie that you can't still sell A LOT of music with the biz the way it is. You just have to know how to do it.

Digital music needs to be cheaper first. I shouldn't have to pay 14 dollars for a CD that has no packaging, and isn't physical. The record label is saving money but not passing it on to us. Why not?

Ah. Okay that makes sense I think I get what your saying now. Not to use the food reference again, but you mean like giving out free samples so people want to have the entree :thumbsup:

[KarmaContestant]

It's a lie that you can't still sell A LOT of music with the biz the way it is. You just have to know how to do it.

Digital music needs to be cheaper first. I shouldn't have to pay 14 dollars for a CD that has no packaging, and isn't physical. The record label is saving money but not passing it on to us. Why not?

These are great points, and very true.

When pre-ordering a CD, it would be nice to be able to go in and download the tracks, even if it wasn't ahead of the release date.

I still buy a lot of records, and I love when the record has a code that lets you download free MP3s, or sometimes there's even a CD inside the record jacket.

Digital music is overpriced when you consider there is no packaging and no transportation costs, but the price of maintaining the developers, servers and other equipment necessary to support an digital store are likely a considerable amount.

[gldstwmn]

Here's a legal/moral dilemma I have always pondered...

What is the general consensus about free downloading of music that you have already bought on vinyl LPs many years ago? You've already paid the artist for their work. But does that entitle you to an mp3 version for your iPod? How is this any different than buying a CD and then ripping it into mp3 files for your iPod today? :shrug: IMHO, I feel that I am entitled to the mp3.

I've often wondered about that myself. In my case there are recordings which I've had vinyl, cassette and CD.

[Josh2003]

Here's a legal/moral dilemma I have always pondered...

What is the general consensus about free downloading of music that you have already bought on vinyl LPs many years ago? You've already paid the artist for their work. But does that entitle you to an mp3 version for your iPod? How is this any different than buying a CD and then ripping it into mp3 files for your iPod today? :shrug: IMHO, I feel that I am entitled to the mp3.

You've actually only paid for a *sound recording* of the artist's work, and you can certainly continue to enjoy that sound recording on the medium that you purchased.

However, if you want the advantages of having it on a CD or as an .mp3, you need to pay for that different format. Otherwise, continue listening to the vinyl LP, or figure out a way to convert what you paid for into a different medium for your own personal use.

[used karma]

At the end of the day, leaks are gonna happen. People who planned on buying the album, will still do it. :shrug:

[SaidSomething]

It most likely has a bunch of fake mp3 files that you can't access without a password anyway. There have been multiple rar files like this for the upcoming Kate Bush album.

Man, I can't believe Kate has a record coming too!
I hate to say this but, Aerial bummbed me out...a quick listen and it was blatantly obvious she didn't produce, arrange...add all her magic backing vocals and sounds...etc...I loved the title track...I wanna be up...up on the roof...

Now I have 2 music things to go mental over...

[jannieC]

I think this is an interesting subject (downloading music without paying for it). I feel like a reformed drug addict, because I used to download a lot of music on the original Napster, and then again on WinMX.

I've done a pretty good job of purging most of those downloads, though I'm sure I still have a few songs here and there.

Ultimately, downloading music without paying for it first is stealing. You can try to justify it any which way you choose, but if you were one of those unfortunate people who got busted by the attorneys for the RIAA, the judge you stood in front of would not care one tiny iota that you intended to purchase it later down the road, or that you pre-ordered it, or that you've since bought all of the artists albums after getting a free sample. Stealing is stealing, plain and simple, and music should not be treated any differently than any other product.

Sorry to sound like one of 'those guys'...you know, like the ex-smokers who preach about how bad smoking is? :laugh: I feel very strongly about the subject, and typically will take any opportunity to rant about it. :xoxo:

I am with you 100% here. I can remember looking for, finding and downloading, old 80s songs that I hadn't heard in years. I couldn't believe it was free! lol

Seriously though, as you stated, stealing is stealing, end of story. One can justify it all day long, but it's wrong. I have to say, I'm somewhat turned off by the level of entitlement I see among many people when it comes to this kind of stuff (and other stuff in the world, too- downfall of my profession, I think). Just because you <i>want</i> something NOW, doesn't mean you're entitled to it! Just because it's actually *out there* doesn't make it right.

I'm old, I know this.

[saintvox]

So I have a question for you guys.

If In Your Dream leaks out on Youtube, and we all go watch the videos, did you just commit theft? What if you just listen to music on Youtube videos and never buy it.

Is that different than downloading it?

[BombaySapphire3]

So I have a question for you guys.

If In Your Dream leaks out on Youtube, and we all go watch the videos, did you just commit theft? What if you just listen to music on Youtube videos and never buy it.

Is that different than downloading it?

No it's not considered "theft" to watch it on Youtube but the person who posted it there could be in trouble IMO.Usually the record companies get unwanted leaks removed pretty quickly from there.

[HejiraNYC]

No it's not considered "theft" to watch it on Youtube but the person who posted it there could be in trouble IMO.Usually the record companies get unwanted leaks removed pretty quickly from there.

So, in other words, it's okay if someone else downloads stuff illegally and then gives it to you? When you listen to music on YouTube that wasn't authorized by the artist or the label, then you are effectively abetting in the illegal practice of uploading copyrighted works. And whether you download something or merely stream it, it's the same thing.

[saintvox]

So, in other words, it's okay if someone else downloads stuff illegally and then gives it to you? When you listen to music on YouTube that wasn't authorized by the artist or the label, then you are effectively abetting in the illegal practice of uploading copyrighted works. And whether you download something or merely stream it, it's the same thing.

Copyright is a sticky thing though. Stevie herself has ran into trouble with it hasn't she? Didn't someone sue her for stealing the chorus of Sara from a poem that they sent her?:lol:

And also what about demos? That's stealing as well. Especially considering that most of them are the same thing as the actual released product.

[BombaySapphire3]

So, in other words, it's okay if someone else downloads stuff illegally and then gives it to you? When you listen to music on YouTube that wasn't authorized by the artist or the label, then you are effectively abetting in the illegal practice of uploading copyrighted works. And whether you download something or merely stream it, it's the same thing.
Listening to it on Youtube and downloading it aren't quite the same from a legal perspective though..That is how all those people got charged from those file sharing sites a few years back.I guess to listen or not is more an ethical dilemna..With Stevie's songs like most everyone else on here of course I'll buy the CD and more than one.

[Fiver]

So, in other words, it's okay if someone else downloads stuff illegally and then gives it to you? When you listen to music on YouTube that wasn't authorized by the artist or the label, then you are effectively abetting in the illegal practice of uploading copyrighted works. And whether you download something or merely stream it, it's the same thing.

Yeah, right now there's technically a loophole as far as streaming's concerned, but that may change in the near future, according to this:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20043421-281.html

• The White House is concerned that "illegal streaming of content" may not be covered by criminal law, saying "questions have arisen about whether streaming constitutes the distribution of copyrighted works." To resolve that ambiguity, it wants a new law to "clarify that infringement by streaming, or by means of other similar new technology, is a felony in appropriate circumstances."

[Macfanforever]

If the feds pass the new bill about a performance tax which radio station around the country got to pay when the record is played.

http://www.noperformancetax.org/

It this happens .The radio stations will have to come up with different programming without music.Like all news,talk and sports programming in its place.

[Keith]

I was dancing around this thread - afraid to enter and find the album had been leaked and I would download it.. I'm trying to be good.. but the closer it gets before "In Your Dreams" drops, the harder it's getting. its the mystery of the remaining 7 songs that I haven't even heard a second of.. and finally hearing the complete versions of Moonlight, Annabelle Lee, and Italian Summer...

but alas, the topic was just about "what would you do if the album leaks" I'll confess that I would probably download and listen.. whether wrong or right.. but I'm starved for new Stevie..

p.s. I did pre-order from Warners, along with pre-ordered the deluxe version from Itunes.. so I wouldn't feel too guilty.

last note.. if In Your Dreams is great than alot of folks will end up buying it. I did that with Adele's new cd.. listened to the clips from Itunes of "21" and downloaded the album when I got to track 5.. I knew..

[Artemis]

I'll be honest, if it leaked, I'd download it and listen to it anyway. I'm going to buy the album when it comes out, so it's not as if I'm negatively effecting Stevie's income or whatever.

I'm in the camp of "will download first and buy if he likes it" I did it with Stevie and the Mac at first, I did it with Blondie, and more recently, done it with Adele, Lady GaGa and the Yeah Yeah Yeahs. Downloaded all their CDs and then went out and bought them all anyway. Illegal downloading happens, it will always happen. Instead of whingeing about it, they should try and do more to combat it or utilise it. Let people download albums free for a month, and then pay if they want to keep them on iTunes, lower prices, etc. For every person who adamantly won't download - and good for you, I say - there will always be those who will. :shrug:

[Macfanforever]

"I can wait" no "I can't Wait""I can't Wait""I can't Wait". Hum that sounds like a Stevie tune.

[Ledge Moderators]

A pre-emptive note of caution:

If the album is leaked prior to its official release, do not post a link to either the music or the site containing a leak of that music here.

The post that started this thread turned out to be a false alarm, but that shouldn't have been posted here either, in case it had been a legitimate download of the album.

Once the album is released and commercially available, do not post any links to the music. If Reprise wants to give us additional free previews, that's great. Otherwise, no posting of links to music that should be paid for.

[Macfanforever]

Thank you.

[Jondalar]

I was just thinking about this today. If I'm going to buy the iTunes version, plus, the fan version, plus, whatever else, THIS ALBUM BETTER BE GOOD and BETTER NOT BE LEAKED. If its leaked, that's going to spell disaster. If the album does good, she can use that for further promotion.

[DefDumbandBlond]

It's always uncertain if the album will leak before the release date, if the promo copies are in the right hands there's a very slim chance of it happening but ya never know. Unfortunately AFTER it is out is when most of the leaks go crazy. People upload copies to filesharing sites and it all goes from there.

Personally I try to download music for free the least I can (unless it's a bootleg show. unofficial material etc.). As always the main artists I am into get my full support as do the ones I don't listen to as much but still consider a 'favorite'. I do tend to try music before I buy it though in some form or another, luckily there are sites/software out there that let you listen to full albums legally to avoid the downloads as much as possible. Rhapsody, Spotify, hell even MySpace are great sites for it.

[henryscutter]

Yeah when Napster was popular I, along with many others I expect, used it as a public library. If I liked most of what I heard on an album I would go buy a physical copy to support the artist. If i didnt like it most likely it was deleted from my computer. I think the record industries hard stance against downloading had a more negative effect than the actual downloading did on sales. This is JMHO, but werent cd sales quite high during napster's heyday?

[Silylily]

I noticed when I first read about this "leak" I got so excited I thought I'd need a Depend undergarment! When I ordered from Warners before, I got the shipment 3 days before the official release date. I have a feeling we'll be getting copies a little early... or it's just wishful thinking!!!???

[louielouie2000]

When I ordered from Warners before, I got the shipment 3 days before the official release date. I have a feeling we'll be getting copies a little early... or it's just wishful thinking!!!???

When I did the Warner Bros preorder for TISL I got my copy 3 days after the release date. :( That's why I didn't do it this time.

[Silylily]

When I did the Warner Bros preorder for TISL I got my copy 3 days after the release date. :( That's why I didn't do it this time.

Oh noooooo! I might need that Depend after all...::eek:

[APerfectLie]

When I did the Warner Bros preorder for TISL I got my copy 3 days after the release date. :( That's why I didn't do it this time.

OH **** that! If they do that this time I will seriously castrate some bitches.

[Dodfather]

I noticed when I first read about this "leak" I got so excited I thought I'd need a Depend undergarment! When I ordered from Warners before, I got the shipment 3 days before the official release date. I have a feeling we'll be getting copies a little early... or it's just wishful thinking!!!???

When I did the Warner Bros preorder for TISL I got my copy 3 days after the release date. :( That's why I didn't do it this time.

Three days isn't long to wait after release date. Spare a thought for those of us in places other than the US who, even though have preordered from Warners (fan edition) and amazon.com, have to wait for it to ship and so will likely not got it until a couple of weeks after the release date and can't go to a store and buy it. As for receiving it early - no chance! It will still be earlier than 27 June but The Ledge will be a tough place to be for me until I get my copy of the album!

[Thrown_Down]

Delaying the release in the UK is so pointless. Anyone who truly wants it will download it illegally. They certainly won't decide to buy a copy if they like it, because when it comes out six weeks later they'll either have lost interest in the record, or else lost the desire to do the right thing and pay for it.

[Jondalar]

When I did the Warner Bros preorder for TISL I got my copy 3 days after the release date. :( That's why I didn't do it this time.

I'm downloading the album from iTunes Monday Night at 12:01 (or early Tuesday morning). I can wait for My Heart, but I have to hear everything else as soon as possible.

[TheSorcerer]

Some artists already have. Gaga's doing quite well (sold over 50 million albums in 2 years)

Gaga has not sold 50 million albums. I think you mean singles.

She's sold over 51 million singles and around 15 million albums worldwide.

[Jondalar]

Gaga has not sold 50 million albums. I think you mean singles.

She's sold over 51 million singles and around 15 million albums worldwide.

I really don't get the gaga thing. Or the Adele thing as a matter a fact. There is nothing new about their music, just imitations of the past. This generation needs to invent a new instrument or something. Same sounds and almost the same songs over and over again. It's like they are desperate for stars.

[Jondalar]

Well, here is a tiny leak. The length of the songs.

1. Secret Love 3:15
2. For What It's Worth 4:32
3. In Your Dreams 3:58
4. Wide Sargasso Sea 5:36
5. New Orleans 5:34
6. Moonlight (A Vampire's Dream) 5:26
7. Annabel Lee 5:58
8. Soldier's Angel 5:16
9. Everybody Loves You 5:16
10. Ghosts Are Gone 6:06
11. You May Be The One 5:26
12. Italian Summer 4:38
13. Cheaper Than Free (feat. Dave Stewart) 3:38

[BombaySapphire3]

Well, here is a tiny leak. The length of the songs.

1. Secret Love 3:15
2. For What It's Worth 4:32
3. In Your Dreams 3:58
4. Wide Sargasso Sea 5:36
5. New Orleans 5:34
6. Moonlight (A Vampire's Dream) 5:26
7. Annabel Lee 5:58
8. Soldier's Angel 5:16
9. Everybody Loves You 5:16
10. Ghosts Are Gone 6:06
11. You May Be The One 5:26
12. Italian Summer 4:38
13. Cheaper Than Free (feat. Dave Stewart) 3:38

This was posted a couple of weeks ago here on a German website to order IYD.

[DefDumbandBlond]

Three days isn't long to wait after release date. Spare a thought for those of us in places other than the US who, even though have preordered from Warners (fan edition) and amazon.com, have to wait for it to ship and so will likely not got it until a couple of weeks after the release date and can't go to a store and buy it. As for receiving it early - no chance! It will still be earlier than 27 June but The Ledge will be a tough place to be for me until I get my copy of the album!

Yeah exactly. For instance Blondie is releasing a special f'n amazing fan pack version of their new album in the UK before the normal CD release everywhere, so everyone outside of the UK who ordered it including myself probably have to wait at least a week before getting it. It's going to be a tough wait for sure :eek: but if it was only 2 or 3 days I wouldn't be as bothered.

[Macfanforever]

I will just sit and wait.I could get a sneak listen from the Radio Promo copies that my friend Pete has available at the station that if he got them yet.but I can wait.I'm not going to bother him for this.I never pre-ordered a cd before.also I never stand outside in the rain and waiting to get into a store to go and buy a cd before.I never did that for tickets for a concert to that matter.I love Stevie and her tunes.but I guess I'm old and slow.I dont like the Idea of downloading a cd of hers from Itunes or Amazon.I rather get that little silver thingy in my hands with the tiny print insert cards that I cant see without a magnafind glass.I love to see this ina vinyl .