Stevie songs that connect?

[Heartboy]

We all know Stevie's written butt loads of songs over the years and recorded alot of them as well. Either with the Mac or solo, my question is, what songs go together? Which songs are like a 'continued' story or arc?

Is 'The Nightmare' & 'Sisters of the Moon' connected?

What songs do you think can be related?

I hope this isn't a dumb question...:eek:

Just thought it would be cool to see what your opinions are!:thumbsup:

[WildHearted]

Edge of Seventeen and Nightbird?

A lot of her lyrics connect, but maybe not the entire songs.

"When I see you again, as I always do" from Destiny Rules...

ETA: there's a LOT more but I'm at school haha.

[mikebise]

Theme wise ~

In 1982, Stevie said that "How Still My Love" is a continuation of "Dreams".

"I Call You Missing" and "Love Is Like A River" are not the same song, even though they share many lyrics. To me, the two songs are the beginning and ending of a story. In "I Call You Missing", Stevie burns a candle every night, hoping for Joe to return. In "Love Is Like A River", she's over all that, ~ "And I haven't burned a candle in a real long time..." Mirror images that I love!

"Crying In The Night" and "Cathouse Blues" seem to be about prostitutes of some sort.

"Kind Of Woman" and "Gold Dust Woman" are about the tramps Lindsey would cheat on Stevie with, I think, in addition to cocaine, in "GDW"'s case.

"Affairs Of The Heart" and "Welcome To The Room... Sara" are about Stevie's time at the Betty Ford Center in Late 1986.

"If You Ever Did Believe"and "Beauty And The Beast" display Stevie's feelings during her affair with Mick.

There are TONS more story arcs in Stevie Land!!!!!

[realsavagelike]

How about Destiny and Enchanted?

"Crying in the morning, trying to be strong/Waiting for the spring to turn into the fall/Love don't mean what it says at all/My destiny says that I'm destined to fall."

What's the connection there?

[fumidesigns]

Omg I seriously love this thread already! Guys please continue.....

*pops popcorn*

[mikebise]

Well, Stevie wrote "Destiny" in 1974, and recorded it for The Wild Heart here in Dallas in 1982. Apparently, later she re~wrote it in a faster tempo with different lyrics as "Enchanted". Definitely related. It's about some other guy she hooked up with in 1974 while "on a break" with Lindsey, as she pondered whether or not to go back to him.

I was thinking of a whole Stevie Loves Joe story arc ~

"One More Big Time Rock And Roll Star"
"Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You?"
"I Call You Missing"
"Whole Lotta Trouble"
"Long Way To Go"
"She Loves Him Still"
"Love Is Like A River"

[mikebise]

There's the obvious Rhiannon connections~

"Rhiannon"
"The Maker Of Birds"
"Stay Away"
"Forest Of The Black Roses"
"Forsaken Love"
"Kind Of Woman" ~ Stevie said it's a "Rhiannon" continuation. :shrug:
"Sorcerer" ~ In 2001, Stevie said it's a Rhiannon song.
"Planets Of The Universe" ~ Same as above... :shrug:
"Angel" ~ In 1979, Stevie linked it to the Rhiannon songs.

Of course, only a few of these have literal connections to the Rhiannon legend. Most are really just Stevie's life apparently through a Rhiannon~filter.

BTW, I refuse to put "Blue Water" in the Rhiannon songs ~ it's about Hawaii! ;)

[HejiraNYC]

Theme wise ~

In 1982, Stevie said that "How Still My Love" is a continuation of "Dreams".

There are TONS more story arcs in Stevie Land!!!!!

I always thought "Dreams" and "Sable on Blond" were companion pieces. Both open up with a Mick drum riff and they are both basically the same chords and instrumentation; you could literally sing "Dreams" over the instrumental of "SoB" and vice-versa. And they're both about achieving clarity about relationships. In "Dreams," she has a "crystal vision"- an epiphany that Lindsey wants out of the relationship, but he still wants to bang her. In "SoB," her judgment is temporarily obscured by "frost covered windows," but then after asking herself repeatedly about the failure of her relationship ("what was it that fell?"), she reaches the epiphany "well, I think that it was you, babe!" And the "Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?" and "Do you hold that dream in your hands each night?" are kind of similar- both about pent up feelings.

I think there are many songs in the Betty Ford arc- "Welcome to the Room... Sara," "When I See You Again," "Doing the Best I Can," "Alice," "Juliet." And probably a few others too. I believe it was in rehab where she had nothing but her leather-bound journals to keep her company, so it is obvious that she spent much of that time writing about her harrowing experiences. Oh, to be a fly in the wall of her room...

[mikebise]

Continuing with the Rumours era breakup and all that drama~

"Dreams"
"Smile At You"
"Silver Springs"
"How Still My Love"

Stevie & Robin's friendship~

"Julia"
"Rock A Little"
"Impossible Task"
"Nightbird"

[mikebise]

The sticking thing there is that both "Juliet" and "When I See You Again" were written in 1986 and recorded for Tango In The Night. Stevie specifically places "Juliet" as one of her February 1986 Tom & Bob Tour of Australia songs. But, of course, things don't have to be literal, and are interpreted however we see them. And "When I See You Again" definitely seems about rehab, when she's going on about staring at the stairs... :)

More of the Stevie Road Show 1986 songs~

"Two Kinds Of Love"
"Juliet"
"You Like Me"
"Whole Lotta Trouble"
"Don't Treat Me Like A Stranger" ~ could this be another Joe song?

Damn! I forgot "Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You?" as a Joe song, too!

[mikebise]

Broader themes ~ like Life And Love In Rock And Roll And How It Kills A Relationship ~ Or Enter Competition ~

"After The Glitter Fades"
"What Has Rock And Roll Ever Done For You?"
"Greta"
"All The King's Horses"
"The Highwayman"
"Nothing Ever Changes"
"Gold And Braid"
"Paper Doll"
"One More Big Time Rock And Roll Star"
"Thrown Down"
"Garbo"
"My Heart"

[HejiraNYC]

Broader themes ~ like Life And Love In Rock And Roll And How It Kills A Relationship ~ Or Enter Competition ~

"After The Glitter Fades"
"Greta"
"The Highwayman"
"Nothing Ever Changes"
"Gold And Braid"
"Paper Doll"
"Thrown Down"
"Garbo"
"My Heart"

...and "What Has Rock and Roll Ever Done For You" and "One More Big Time Rock and Roll Star"

[realsavagelike]

There's the obvious Rhiannon BTW, I refuse to put "Blue Water" in the Rhiannon songs ~ it's about Hawaii! ;)

Ha - but in all seriousness, is there actually a Rhiannon connection? I love Blue Water...

Also, I'd add Gypsy to the Robin/Stevie list - and what about RAL, because of the Lily reference?

And finally, do we know when Space Needle was written? Does it belong to the Betty Ford arc?

[KarmaContestant]

I have always connected these, thinking of them as one long story:

Dreams>>Outside The Rain>>Sable On Blonde>>Ooh My Love>>Bombay Sapphires

Maybe In Your Dreams will have the next chapter.

[mikebise]

"Gypsy" definitely goes with the Stevie/Robin songs!

It also belongs with the Mattress On The Floor/On My Own songs ~

"Bella Donna"
"Gypsy"
"Outside The Rain"

How about Forbidden Love or You're Not The Man For Me ~ Unrequited love?

"Secret Love"
"If You Were My Love"
"Angel"
"How Still My Love"
"Stand Back"
"I've Loved And I've Lost" ~ :laugh:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Sara-Gate and Garden

I tend to believe Gate and Garden is the latter half of Sara that was trimmed off for Tusk. :cool:

[skuncles]

In an interview for Bella Donna Stevie said that "Bella Donna" was the continuation of "Sisters Of The Moon".

[mikebise]

I have always connected these, thinking of them as one long story:

Dreams>>Outside The Rain>>Sable On Blonde>>Ooh My Love>>Bombay Sapphires

Maybe In Your Dreams will have the next chapter.

Let's hope!!!!! :):angel:

[mikebise]

In an interview for Bella Donna Stevie said that "Bella Donna" was the continuation of "Sisters Of The Moon".

Ooh yes!!!! Stevie talked about seeing herself in a mirror and her gauntness inspiring "Sisters Of The Moon", and "Bella Donna" has the same theme. Very cool!!!!!

[Artemis]

I always thought Dreams and The Nightmare were linked, because it seems pretty obvious. :laugh: Same with Edge of 17 and Nightbird.

[louielouie2000]

Obviously Illume and Destiny Rules are linked by a common verse. I tend to think Illume (obviously about 9/11) caused Stevie to reflect on a specific failed relationship in her past that was particularly important to her, so she wrote Destiny Rules.

[UndoingTheLaces]

Downstairs the big old house is mine
Upstairs where the stars still laugh and they shine

Blue Lamp and Welcome to the Room... Sara. Anything between these two but a shared lyric?

And what about Stevie songs that relate to other people's songs, such as Stevie singing "You walk a thin line" in one of the Mirror Mirror demos which, I suppose, is a reference to Lindsey's song from Tusk. Or "I need you now, I'm broken hearted... broke down like a little girl". Could that be a reference to Bob Dylan's Just Like a Woman, "she breaks just like a little girl"?

Then there's the BB King song, Drowning in a Sea of Love (Stevie sings back up on a different song from the same album). The lyrics are "I've been down one time/And I've been down two times/But right now I'm drowning/Drowning in the sea of love". Now, is that song older than Never Going Back Again and Sara or was it inspired by them?

Okay, I'm a little off track, sorry. That's how my brain works.

[UndoingTheLaces]

Oh, I almost forgot. The Nightmare. "So about the MOON and her SISTERS... and "So I stood with you against the STORM and I tried once again, I said I'D LIKE TO LEAVE YOU WITH SOMETHING WARM how many times. DROWNING IN A SEA... baby, drowning. "

It's pretty obvious that SOTM is all about Tusk.

And I Sing For The Things is about Fleetwood Mac where she sings she's living on DREAMS and CHAINS.

[HejiraNYC]

And I Sing For The Things is about Fleetwood Mac where she sings she's living on DREAMS and CHAINS.

Quite literally!

[WildHearted]

Coincidental, probably (especially given the writing timeline).. but it amuses me none the less (taking into account the lyrical changes from the older GB/The Tower stuff)...


"Once you said goodbye to me, now I say goodbye to you."
"And I who never, never said goodbye.."

[CADreaming]

There's the obvious Rhiannon connections~

"Sorcerer" ~ In 2001, Stevie said it's a Rhiannon song.



Interestingly, Stevie said in Atlanta last week that "Sorcerer" was written before she and Lindsey moved to LA (or around the same time), so it actually predates "Rhiannon", which she says she wrote in Aspen in 1973...it also screws up her prior explanation in which she stated it was written and about being dropped by the label after BN bombed... :shrug:

"Gypsy" definitely goes with the Stevie/Robin songs!
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Ok, I know years ago she equated "Gypsy" with Robin, but it is not technically a Robin song. She wrote it before Robin died or became ill, but it was the single at the time of Robin's death. Stevie finally gave the story behind "Gypsy" on the last FM tour, explaining it was a song recapturing 1969 when she and Lindsey lived in a house in Los Gatos and had no furniture, therefore sleeping on the mattress on the floor.

[WildHearted]

The Greyhound strike was in '74, so if she wrote Rhiannon the same time she wrote Landslide, then that would have been 1974, no? Unless I'm mixing up stories (which is very possible).

[Heartboy]

Interestingly, Stevie said in Atlanta last week that "Sorcerer" was written before she and Lindsey moved to LA (or around the same time), so it actually predates "Rhiannon", which she says she wrote in Aspen in 1973...it also screws up her prior explanation in which she stated it was written and about being dropped by the label after BN bombed... :shrug:

Stevie finally gave the story behind "Gypsy" on the last FM tour, explaining it was a song recapturing 1969 when she and Lindsey lived in a house in Los Gatos and had no furniture, therefore sleeping on the mattress on the floor.

*LMAO*

Stevie likes to give simple meanings behind her songs but theres more to them than she lets on. Like 'Edge of 17', there has to be more than her cousin & John Lennon to that song. Was her cousin almost 17 at the time?

[CADreaming]

The Greyhound strike was in '74, so if she wrote Rhiannon the same time she wrote Landslide, then that would have been 1974, no? Unless I'm mixing up stories (which is very possible).

Thank you - you just confirmed what I was thinking! She's getting the year mixed up, I think because according to her story, 6 months after the Aspen trip Fleetwood Mac called. That was New Year's Eve, 1974. BN was released in September of 1973 and I think they were dropped in '74. Based on your information about the strike they were in Aspen in 1974, which makes sense because Lindsey took the gig with Phil Everly after BN bombed. So, she wrote "Rhiannon" and "Landslide" in 1974.

*Side note: I wonder if the house she wrote the songs in was Warren Zevon's in-laws. Check out this quote from Warren about his song "Mohammed's Radio": "I wrote it on the piano in my ex-in-laws' house in Aspen. Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham were there - it's a longish story - and they started singing harmony. It's like a gospel song."

[CADreaming]

*LMAO*

Stevie likes to give simple meanings behind her songs but theres more to them than she lets on. Like 'Edge of 17', there has to be more than her cousin & John Lennon to that song. Was her cousin almost 17 at the time?

LOL!!! Don't get me started on Edge...

But, it was her cousin, John's father - her Uncle Bill that she claims that about. Again, I'm sure it was around his death. Do not believe that song is about John Lennon or her uncle's death... she may tie it into that but I think the true topic is pretty obvious.

[chiliD]

Broader themes ~ like Life And Love In Rock And Roll And How It Kills A Relationship ~ Or Enter Competition ~

"After The Glitter Fades"
"What Has Rock And Roll Ever Done For You?"
"Greta"
"All The King's Horses"
"The Highwayman"
"Nothing Ever Changes"
"Gold And Braid"
"Paper Doll"
"One More Big Time Rock And Roll Star"
"Thrown Down"
"Garbo"
"My Heart"

You probably could add "Sweet Girl" to this list. To me, it's pretty much lyrically anyway, a "part 2" of "Gold & Braid".

[WildHearted]

*LMAO*

Stevie likes to give simple meanings behind her songs but theres more to them than she lets on. Like 'Edge of 17', there has to be more than her cousin & John Lennon to that song. Was her cousin almost 17 at the time?

Actually, I think that was her uncle. Stevie and her cousin were the only ones there when her uncle died... I think that was the basic situation?

Well, personally, I've always associated "He was no more... than a baby then /Well he... seemed broken hearted... / Something within him / But the moment... that I first laid... / Eyes... on... him... all alone... /On the edge of... seventeen" with Stevie first meeting Lindsey. That's just what it sounds like to me :/

But really this song is kind of cryptic in my opinion. You can attribute the 'And I see you doing what I try to do for me / With the words of a poet... (etc)" to John Lennon, I think, as well as the 'Well I went searching for an answer, up the stairs and down the hall... (etc)" (that whole sphiel) to when her uncle died.

"The clouds never expect it, when it rains.. (etc)" is again, just a broader statement regarding changes, life, death, etc inspired by John and her uncle.

Then the end, "Well, I hear you in the morning, and I hear you in the night fall"... could be interpreted many ways, but personally I think it is a continuation of the first verse (especially the 'I'm a few years older than you, my love), bringing it all full circle.

EDIT: Also, seems a lot of people think that this is really about losing her virginity, or some variation of that theme. I can totally totally see that, and to be honest, if you're just looking at the song it makes a lot more logical sense. However, above, I'm trying to take what Stevie says into account at least somewhat, but I definitely don't think that's all there is to the song. Like I said, to say the song is COMPLETELY about John Lennon/her uncle is kind of ludicrous, if not a bit creepy.

[CADreaming]

Actually, I think that was her uncle. Stevie and her cousin were the only ones there when her uncle died... I think that was the basic situation?

Well, personally, I've always associated "He was no more... than a baby then /Well he... seemed broken hearted... / Something within him / But the moment... that I first laid... / Eyes... on... him... all alone... /On the edge of... seventeen" with Stevie first meeting Lindsey. That's just what it sounds like to me :/ ...

Then the end, "Well, I hear you in the morning, and I hear you in the night fall"... could be interpreted many ways, but personally I think it is a continuation of the first verse (especially the 'I'm a few years older than you, my love), bringing it all full circle.

EDIT: Also, seems a lot of people think that this is really about losing her virginity, or some variation of that theme. I can totally totally see that, and to be honest, if you're just looking at the song it makes a lot more logical sense. However, in my above attempted analysis, I try to take what Stevie takes into account somewhat, but I definitely don't think that's all there is to the song. Like I said, to say the song is COMPLETELY about John Lennon/her uncle is kind of ludicrous, if not a bit creepy.

EXACTLY. It's obviously about Lindsey, it fits totally into their story. I agree with the virginity and/or variation on the theme - if not her then him! I think there's more going on in the song too, but I think whatever that is, it is only about something going on in their relationship and that the John Lennon/Uncle Bill connection she makes is strictly about the timing of the recording/release - and that none of the lyrics have one iota to do with them.

[WildHearted]

EXACTLY. It's obviously about Lindsey, it fits totally into their story. I agree with the virginity and/or variation on the theme - if not her then him! I think there's more to the song but I think the John Lennon/Uncle Bill connection is strictly about the timing of the recording/release, not that any of the lyrics have one iota to do with them.

Yeah. I mean, of course it's all speculation, but pretty much all of the lyrics DO fit Lindsey, if you just ignore the Lennon/Uncle notion.

"And I see you doing what I try to do for me
With the words of a poet
And the voice of a choir
And a melody, and nothing else mattered"

---> Lindsey 'taking her songs and making them great,' as Stevie puts it. Or, could even continuing with the first verse - she sees him in the middle of the room playing guitar and singing, like she tries to do, and she just walks up and joins him like nothing else matters. (As I mentioned in my above post, this could just as easily be about Lennon and her admiring his music and what not. just for the sake of discussion!)


Also, I can't even believe that even having heard the virginity theory, I never related it to this line of the song: "Ooh, baby ooh, said ooh." :lol:

[mikebise]

You probably could add "Sweet Girl" to this list. To me, it's pretty much lyrically anyway, a "part 2" of "Gold & Braid".

Absolutely! Great call!

There are so many about the rock and roll woman while her heart breaks... :(

"I want to fly through the world in a golden ball!"

[APerfectLie]

Actually, I think that was her uncle. Stevie and her cousin were the only ones there when her uncle died... I think that was the basic situation?

Well, personally, I've always associated "He was no more... than a baby then /Well he... seemed broken hearted... / Something within him / But the moment... that I first laid... / Eyes... on... him... all alone... /On the edge of... seventeen" with Stevie first meeting Lindsey. That's just what it sounds like to me :/

But really this song is kind of cryptic in my opinion. You can attribute the 'And I see you doing what I try to do for me / With the words of a poet... (etc)" to John Lennon, I think, as well as the 'Well I went searching for an answer, up the stairs and down the hall... (etc)" (that whole sphiel) to when her uncle died.

"The clouds never expect it, when it rains.. (etc)" is again, just a broader statement regarding changes, life, death, etc inspired by John and her uncle.

Then the end, "Well, I hear you in the morning, and I hear you in the night fall"... could be interpreted many ways, but personally I think it is a continuation of the first verse (especially the 'I'm a few years older than you, my love), bringing it all full circle.

EDIT: Also, seems a lot of people think that this is really about losing her virginity, or some variation of that theme. I can totally totally see that, and to be honest, if you're just looking at the song it makes a lot more logical sense. However, above, I'm trying to take what Stevie says into account at least somewhat, but I definitely don't think that's all there is to the song. Like I said, to say the song is COMPLETELY about John Lennon/her uncle is kind of ludicrous, if not a bit creepy.

Not to mention she got the idea from Tom Petty's wife.

[UndoingTheLaces]

EDIT: Also, seems a lot of people think that this is really about losing her virginity, or some variation of that theme. I can totally totally see that, and to be honest, if you're just looking at the song it makes a lot more logical sense. However, above, I'm trying to take what Stevie says into account at least somewhat, but I definitely don't think that's all there is to the song. Like I said, to say the song is COMPLETELY about John Lennon/her uncle is kind of ludicrous, if not a bit creepy.

Do you all remember CD long boxes? They were roughly the size of half an LP and were sort of created to ease the transition from album to CD, mostly with the record stores who all had to get new shelving. Anyway, I could swear the long box for Belladonna had something on the back about Edge being about Stevie losing her virginity. And for years I took that as gospel because it was printed right there on the CD box. Even when Timespace came out and Stevie said it was about her uncle, I thought she was backpedaling and trying to cover up revealing the true meaning of a song that might have been too personal. I know better now. Looking back I think they sometimes stuck blurbs taken from magazines of record reviews on the boxes just to fill space, or had some hack write a review to get you to buy the CD. Does anyone still have this? I threw mine away years ago.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Ok, I know years ago she equated "Gypsy" with Robin, but it is not technically a Robin song. She wrote it before Robin died or became ill, but it was the single at the time of Robin's death. Stevie finally gave the story behind "Gypsy" on the last FM tour, explaining it was a song recapturing 1969 when she and Lindsey lived in a house in Los Gatos and had no furniture, therefore sleeping on the mattress on the floor.

I thought she once said it was about returning home from the Tusk tour and staying in a small room in someone's house...and she decorated it with "paper lace and flowers"....thus going back to the "gypsy that I was" prior to fame and fortune.

[CADreaming]

Yeah. I mean, of course it's all speculation, but pretty much all of the lyrics DO fit Lindsey, if you just ignore the Lennon/Uncle notion.

"And I see you doing what I try to do for me
With the words of a poet
And the voice of a choir
And a melody, and nothing else mattered"

---> Lindsey 'taking her songs and making them great,' as Stevie puts it. Or, could even continuing with the first verse - she sees him in the middle of the room playing guitar and singing, like she tries to do, and she just walks up and joins him like nothing else matters. (As I mentioned in my above post, this could just as easily be about Lennon and her admiring his music and what not. just for the sake of discussion!)


Also, I can't even believe that even having heard the virginity theory, I never related it to this line of the song: "Ooh, baby ooh, said ooh." :lol:

LOL! Right! And, the wail after she says she went forward with an age old desire to please... ;)

Not to mention she got the idea from Tom Petty's wife.

Ha! I dare Lindsey one time to say he met Stevie when he was on the "edge of 17"... :lol:

[CADreaming]

I thought she once said it was about returning home from the Tusk tour and staying in a small room in someone's house...and she decorated it with "paper lace and flowers"....thus going back to the "gypsy that I was" prior to fame and fortune.

Never heard anything about the Tusk tour, but wasn't that around the time it was written? I remember her saying when she wrote it she was going through the whole struggle with fame thing and put her mattresses on the floor to remember what it was like before that happened...so yeah that would make sense too.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Ha! I dare Lindsey one time to say he met Stevie when he was on the "edge of 17"... :lol:

She misunderstood again. When she first met Tom's wife, she asked when they met. Stevie thought she said at the "edge of seventeen", but she actually said, "at the age of seventeen."

[Heartboy]

So was the 'Nightbird' (Lindsey) in the song telling Stevie to "Cum Away..Cum Away" :lol::lol::D

[APerfectLie]

Interestingly, Stevie said in Atlanta last week that "Sorcerer" was written before she and Lindsey moved to LA (or around the same time), so it actually predates "Rhiannon", which she says she wrote in Aspen in 1973...it also screws up her prior explanation in which she stated it was written and about being dropped by the label after BN bombed... :shrug:



Ok, I know years ago she equated "Gypsy" with Robin, but it is not technically a Robin song. She wrote it before Robin died or became ill, but it was the single at the time of Robin's death. Stevie finally gave the story behind "Gypsy" on the last FM tour, explaining it was a song recapturing 1969 when she and Lindsey lived in a house in Los Gatos and had no furniture, therefore sleeping on the mattress on the floor.

"The song Gypsy isn't a real happy story. Gypsy is a lot about returning to San Francisco. And Gypsy was written when my best friend [Robin] died of Leukemia and uh ...about the fact that she wasn't going to see the rest of this: I still see your bright eyes, it was like she wasn't ...going to make it. And uh, I was like the lone gypsy ~ this was my best friend from when I was 15 and so I was a solo gypsy all of a sudden and it was very sad for me and that's sometimes when I write my very best songs.

Robin had been on the road with Fleetwood Mac for five years. As my speech therapist and also management, an incredibly efficient helper. I still miss your bright eyes ~ that's why we don't do it on stage ~ it's because it's really too hard for me to sing. Lightening strikes maybe once, maybe twice... that means one time in your life you find a very good friend, and maybe if you're incredibly lucky, you might find a second. It all comes down to you, means but you have to look very hard."

She wrote most of the song before Robin became ill, but she definitely added parts about Robin and in essence changed the meaning.

[CADreaming]

"The song Gypsy isn't a real happy story. Gypsy is a lot about returning to San Francisco. And Gypsy was written when my best friend [Robin] died of Leukemia and uh ...about the fact that she wasn't going to see the rest of this: I still see your bright eyes, it was like she wasn't ...going to make it. And uh, I was like the lone gypsy ~ this was my best friend from when I was 15 and so I was a solo gypsy all of a sudden and it was very sad for me and that's sometimes when I write my very best songs.

Robin had been on the road with Fleetwood Mac for five years. As my speech therapist and also management, an incredibly efficient helper. I still miss your bright eyes ~ that's why we don't do it on stage ~ it's because it's really too hard for me to sing. Lightening strikes maybe once, maybe twice... that means one time in your life you find a very good friend, and maybe if you're incredibly lucky, you might find a second. It all comes down to you, means but you have to look very hard."

She wrote most of the song before Robin became ill, but she definitely added parts about Robin and in essence changed the meaning.

Right, I am familiar with the quote. But, the song itself is not about Robin's illness or Stevie's grief over her death. She wrote the song in 1979, 3 years before Robin died or was sick and they were singing it onstage during the Mirage tour as their current single when Robin actually passed away....

Apparently, the meaning for her changed again during the Unleashed Tour. Happens.

[michelej1]

How Still My Love and Edge of Seventeen.
Michele

[DestinyRules]

I like to think of "Destiny Rules" as connecting with "Fall From Grace" in the sense that "Fall From Grace" features Stevie in blind rage and absolute fury with just a little touch of love (which it took a number of repeated listens to the song after hearing her describe it in Live In Chicago to kinda get), while "Destiny Rules" is taking the story from the perspective of having gotten over the anger and the hostility and looking back on the time with acceptance.

I've also described "Destiny Rules" as "Fall From Grace" on an optimistic Ritalin trip.

[APerfectLie]

Right, I am familiar with the quote. But, the song itself is not about Robin's illness or Stevie's grief over her death. She wrote the song in 1979, 3 years before Robin died or was sick and they were singing it onstage during the Mirage tour as their current single when Robin actually passed away....

Apparently, the meaning for her changed again during the Unleashed Tour. Happens.

True, but the song was not actually recorded until after Robin was diagnosed with terminal leukemia, which I think is when she added the "I still see your bright eyes, I can't find you" lyric, which essentially changed the meaning of the song for her. Also, the 1980 Bella Donna demo I have of Gypsy does not have the line, "She is dancing away from you now... she was just a wish, she was just a wish" but Idk when she added that line. The song is still about going back to the gypsy that she was before Fleetwood Mac, like she said in 2009, but Robin was also there with her before Fleetwood Mac and they were both "gypsies". It doesn't surprise me that she didn't bring up Robin during 2009, because that would be a hard subject to talk about every night, but I definitely think she originally wrote it about going back to the gypsy that she was, but once she found out Robin was dying, it gave the song a new paradigm and she realized that she was the gypsy that remains, and that feeling of losing Robin completely changed the song for her. But who knows.

[WildHearted]

We've also got "What is love?" in both Frozen Love and Landslide.

[mikebise]

In "Something Exquisite", Stevie keeps singing, "If you do not run the race then you cannot win it!"

Finally, one of the backing Stevies even sings, "Races are run!"

So, "Something Exquisite" and "Races Are Run" are linked.

"Fireflies" and "Long Distance Winner" could be linked.

[CADreaming]

True, but the song was not actually recorded until after Robin was diagnosed with terminal leukemia, which I think is when she added the "I still see your bright eyes, I can't find you" lyric, which essentially changed the meaning of the song for her. Also, the 1980 Bella Donna demo I have of Gypsy does not have the line, "She is dancing away from you now... she was just a wish, she was just a wish" but Idk when she added that line. The song is still about going back to the gypsy that she was before Fleetwood Mac, like she said in 2009, but Robin was also there with her before Fleetwood Mac and they were both "gypsies". It doesn't surprise me that she didn't bring up Robin during 2009, because that would be a hard subject to talk about every night, but I definitely think she originally wrote it about going back to the gypsy that she was, but once she found out Robin was dying, it gave the song a new paradigm and she realized that she was the gypsy that remains, and that feeling of losing Robin completely changed the song for her. But who knows.

I totally see your point. But, just to reiterate mine - I listened to a demo today from the Mirage sessions and she didn't use 'bright eyes' in it either. So, I think it's possible they were messing around with a lot of different endings there. As for it being hard to talk about Robin in 2009 every night - it wasn't hard for her to sing "Goodbye Baby" every night on the SYW tour? :shrug:

Anyway, it's cool. I think people will forever be speculating on her lyrics. Honestly, I don't think she always puts it out there even when we think she has. Sometimes, she relates it to what was going on in her life - I think as a diversionary tactic. I could be wrong, but what a great way to handle it if you don't want to go into it. I mean, if you're sharing stuff that's so close to your heart, you don't necessarily want to talk about it - that's why you write about it, you know?

[CADreaming]

In "Something Exquisite", Stevie keeps singing, "If you do not run the race then you cannot win it!"

Finally, one of the backing Stevies even sings, "Races are run!"

So, "Something Exquisite" and "Races Are Run" are linked.

"Fireflies" and "Long Distance Winner" could be linked.

Thanks for those!

A little OT, but these remind me of FM live during "Over and Over" Stevie and Lindsey echo Christine's line "don't let me down" with "let me down again"... from "DLMDA". I know it's not a Stevie song connection, per se...

[realsavagelike]

I was just listening to Night Gallery and thought of another one. What do y'all make of this:

from Change of Heart (Tom Petty) - "I've stood in your gallery/I've seen what's hanging on the walls"

from Night Gallery - "You say you stood in her gallery/...In the paintings on the wall she says there it is..." etc

I mean, what the heck is a night gallery anyway?

[mikebise]

Honestly, I think Stevie is somewhat referring to the old 1970~73 television show, Night Gallery, which was similar to The Twilight Zone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Gallery

Night Gallery is an American anthology series that aired on NBC from 1970 to 1973, featuring stories of horror and the macabre. Rod Serling, who had gained fame from an earlier series, The Twilight Zone, served both as the on-air host of Night Gallery and as a major contributor of scripts, although he did not have the same control of content and tone as he had had on The Twilight Zone.


Reruns might have been on late at night in Los Angeles, as Stevie was in her despair over being dumped by Joe. This next part from Wiki really sounds like what Stevie is talking about in the song:

Serling appeared in an art gallery setting and introduced the macabre tales that made up each episode by unveiling paintings (by artist Tom Wright) that depicted the stories. Night Gallery regularly presented adaptations of classic fantasy tales by authors such as H. P. Lovecraft, as well as original works, many of which were by Serling himself.

The stories of Stevie's tragic life circa 1984~85, as seen in the portraits in her gallery.

"Night Gallery"

Well, every day I search to find a new way
Some new thing to say, something to make you stay
Something that might mean something to you
Something...

Within my weariless search
Oh, there is no company
Down the road, I move by myself
Say you stood in her gallery

Night gallery
You stood in her gallery
In the night gallery
In the night gallery
What did you find
In the night gallery
An answer to me?

And the paintings on the wall, she says "There it is...
If you look hard enough"
Nothing more that I can really say to you
Nothing but the way I love you so much

Night gallery
So much...
In the night gallery
Say to me
Just tell me to go home
Night gallery
Maybe really know
Night gallery
Something in my heart
Night gallery

(I think Stevie says "in my lonely search" but I could be wrong.)

Oh, and "Change Of Heart" was way before "Night Gallery" was written, so Stevie definitely could have been inspired by those lines!

[mikebise]

Broader themes ~ like Life And Love In Rock And Roll And How It Kills A Relationship ~ Or Enter Competition ~ Updated!

"After The Glitter Fades"
"What Has Rock And Roll Ever Done For You?"
"Greta"
"All The King's Horses"
"Gold Dust Woman"
"The Highwayman"
"Nothing Ever Changes"
"Ghosts"
"Gold And Braid"
"Sweet Girl"
"Paper Doll"
"One More Big Time Rock And Roll Star"
"Thrown Down"
"Garbo"
"My Heart"
"The Second Time"

[WildHearted]

^ To an extent, couldn't Gold Dust Woman be a part of that list?

[realsavagelike]

Honestly, I think Stevie is somewhat referring to the old 1970~73 television show, Night Gallery, which was similar to The Twilight Zone.

Wow, very interesting! I'd never heard of that show - before my time - but now that you point it out, there must be a connection. "Night Gallery" is such an odd phrase that there couldn't not be a connection. Interesting!

[mikebise]

Can you imagine Stevie's Night Gallery??? What kind of bizarre images on the canvas, depicting the chaos and sadness in her life circa 1984~1986... And then the STORIES those paintings would tell!

What's the name of that one painting of Stevie's from then? No Spoken Word ~ Angel Aware...?

[tilthefirefades]

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