The Other Side Of The Mirror is a very dark album

[mikebise]

I remember being surprised and a bit annoyed in 1989 by Stevie's comments in interviews about the meaning of The Other Side Of The Mirror, i.e., going back and forth from solo to Fleetwood Mac. I found that very superficial, and I didn't believe her for a second. Added with the reviews and fan gushings, all centering on castles and unicorns and fairy tales and stuff, I wondered if I was hearing the same album as everyone else!

I love The Other Side Of The Mirror! But from the moment I got the "Rooms On Fire" single with "Alice" on it, I found the songs full of darkness, anger and fear. And rightfully so, I thought.

"Welcome To The Room... Sara" prepped us a little with Stevie's anger at her management company, letting them know, "I will be different when I get back, and you can take all of the credit, baby!" Stevie didn't want to go to Betty Ford for her cocaine problem. She was leveraged into it, forced by those around her looking out for their own paychecks. And when she got back, "sober", was her life any better? Yeah, she was alive, but was her life any better, really?

I think those were the questions Stevie was struggling with in those first years after rehab. The coke made song-writing easier, she's freely said, even to this day. But she lost a lot of confidence in herself after Betty Ford, as well as the weight comments during the Rock A Little tour. I believe this is why she so eagerly embraced the new, Buckingham-free Fleetwood Mac in 1987, even putting her planned 4th solo release (Stevie Nicks: Greatest Hits was due for Christmas 1987) on hold while she toured with Fleetwood Mac through mid-1988. So, even as she regained her confidence as a performer, Stevie still had issues stemming from her non-reliance on cocaine, her growing dependence on tranquilizers (which we didn't know about then) and especially still her 1984 breakup with the love of her life, Joe Walsh.

I listen to The Other Side Of The Mirror, and it reminds me of Stevie's comments about "Angel" in the Tusk documentary. She had planned "Angel" to be an upbeat song to counter her "dark" songs. "And it is up," she says, but there's this dark current running through it still. And that's how I perceive The Other Side Of The Mirror.

Stevie herself has said that "Doing The Best I Can" is her most depressing song, and it is! It's not hopeful in the least! "Well, I hear she's doing fine and she's doing the best that she can..." That sounds angry and pissed off to my ears, those "whispered secrets" going on and on. There's no, "Well, I'm happy now... la dee dah!" It's more, "Well, this is it for now...", resigned to the uncertainty and sadness in her life.

"Long Way To Go" is clear enough in its anger towards Joe. Whether the songs were written pre or post cocaine, they all seem to have disappointment, sadness, longing and anger at their centers. Even the "happiest" song on the album, "Ooh My Love", still is only remembering the good times:

"Yes, it was a strain on her
Watching her castles fall down...
Oh, but there was a time
When he called her 'angel'..."

That time was over, the castle walls had crumbled and fallen. The music is very pretty, but I don't hear joy when Stevie's voice cracks at the end when she proclaims:

"Ooh eh hey, baby
No one can take you away from me!
No... No one..."

Sounds like he was already gone.

"Alice" is so dark and deceptive. Again, I think it's about Stevie's anger and depression about how others treated her. The music floats on air, as do the Girls' backing vocals, but Stevie seems pretty centered, seeing things very clearly. The hidden stilettos waiting to stab you in the back are always present.

"Call out my name
But I get no answer...
And she prays..."

"For the world that we all come from...", she would add in concert. It seemed like that world of ease was gone for Stevie. With more success came more pressures.

Even the cast off "Real Tears" illuminates some of Stevie's feelings. In a 1994 radio interview, Stevie said that "Real Tears" was about how sometimes you cry crocodile tears and you don't really mean it. But sometimes, the tears are real. And they were real tears in that song.

But "Ghosts" said it probably the clearest, as Stevie was hitting 40 as she wrote it:

"To fill the empty spaces
She's feeling,
She depends on her music
Like a husband
And she knows it's no good
To fall in love again..."

Stevie giving up on love??? The ultimate romantic accepting defeat? I think the loss of Joe Walsh from her life is the underlying theme of The Other Side Of The Mirror. And, because Stevie and Joe were not that public in their romance (Stevie never acknowledged it until 1991 ~ in England!), those hidden things she could not say openly came out in the darker tensions on the album.

Let me say, I love all of Stevie's career, peaks and valleys. I think The Other Side Of The Mirror is a lot deeper than Stevie's given credit for.

[David]

Excellent post, Mike. It reminds me of reading your articles in the old Mirror, Mirror.

[tilthefirefades]

I've always found a good majority of Stevie's music to be very dark, but you hit the nail on the head with this post, very good!

[mikebise]

Thanks! David, I was actually remembering some issues of Rumours from 1989, and everyone was talking about "upbeat" and "Lifting spirits", and I was thinking, "Whuh???"

For me, The Other Side Of The Mirror was like sitting around with a box of wine, thinking about all of the opportunities you'd let slip by, and those you'd loved who left you. And you did what you had to to get through in life, to meet your obligations. I guess Stevie was right on the meaning then, meeting her many, many obligations.

But I still sense that resentment in her lyrics. "You watch after her, and your word is Law..." This echoes those lines from "Welcome To The Room... Sara" about Front Line Management. I think "Welcome To the Room... Sara" and "Ooh My Love" are two of Stevie's most deceptive songs, as the music for both seem to be bright and upbeat, but the lyrics have dark undertones.

"In the shadow of the castle walls
Wherever those walls were...
Well, you used to love
To be behind those walls with her..."

And then you left her.

Stevie also bugged me with her f-ing literal explanation of "Fire Burning" being "about my garage burning down!" In her interviews, she just left it at that, wondering, "What can I grab and take with me so it doesn't burn up?", letting a deeper meaning to the frothiest of her songs on the album go without exploration. Again, one of her most telling lyrics is buried in the song:

"So still, there is a fire
That no one sees...
She doesn't even see it either
Or so everyone thinks..."

There, Stevie is admitting she knows more, feels more than she is letting those close to her realize. Hiding her true feelings is a sign of anger again, that "fire burning" that is not a freaking garage.

People still talk of gossamer strands and crystalline walls, but The Other Side Of The Mirror is not about finally finding the rainbow's end, that fairy land of unicorns and Prince Charming. It's about the wreckage of Stevie's life, and her fear in how she was going to go forward.

I find it fascinating to this day.

[mikebise]

I was trying to think of some instances of Stevie smiling during The Other Side Of The Mirror period...

Well, there's the live version of "Rooms On Fire" in May 1989 on that Dutch (German?) TV show, with Stevie in that black dress and huge black hat, and that grin plastered on her face throughout the song. I swear, she's totally drunk!

Also, there's the May 1989 One To One interview with that English woman, where Stevie actually tries to be funny (another instance of her mimicking Christine!). :lol:

[starshine]

Yeah, it does sound like alot of your writings in the old Belle Fleur/MM fanzines days. I still have them all and still will go back and read them to this day. Its always good to read different peoples perspectives on Stevie's music solo or with Mac. I'll always love Mirror probably because its when I first started to really collect Stevie solo stuff (and Mac stuff too). So I know Mirror gets torn down alot like SA does. I do agree that Mirror does say alot even with all the beautiful music behind it. Sometimes you have to take away the 'music' aspect and just really read or listen to her words. Thats were the 'true' insight comes from I guess. I do love alot of Mirror sure yes in someways it could be better but really I guess we can all say that about every solo LP of Stevies (as well as Mac's or any artists). But there is something redeeming about all of them to a point. I mean they may not have been a big commerical success but that doesn't mean it doesn't have to be import to you as the listener. So Mirror will always hold that special place for me. I do see the anger and the hardbreak for Stevie. Like on Long Way To Go. I so love that song. You have no idea how many times when I've been hurt and angry I'd sing that song as loud as I could. Even if only for myself. I love 'Doing The Best That I Can' too that song was there when I myself went through alot . Like Stevie I was doing the best that I could at that point and time. Even if to others it didn't look like it. I also love Ghosts, Ooh My Love, ROF, others. I didn't get to see Stevie 'live' on this tour but it'll always be special to me even if others don't have the same love for it that I do but you know thats OK .Songs touch us for reasons maybe even reasons we don't see at the time. They just do so why question it?? Really. :shrug::D

[Christopher]

I remember being surprised and a bit annoyed in 1989 by Stevie's comments in interviews about the meaning of The Other Side Of The Mirror, i.e., going back and forth from solo to Fleetwood Mac. I found that very superficial, and I didn't believe her for a second. Added with the reviews and fan gushings, all centering on castles and unicorns and fairy tales and stuff, I wondered if I was hearing the same album as everyone else!

I love The Other Side Of The Mirror! But from the moment I got the "Rooms On Fire" single with "Alice" on it, I found the songs full of darkness, anger and fear. And rightfully so, I thought.

"Welcome To The Room... Sara" prepped us a little with Stevie's anger at her management company, letting them know, "I will be different when I get back, and you can take all of the credit, baby!" Stevie didn't want to go to Betty Ford for her cocaine problem. She was leveraged into it, forced by those around her looking out for their own paychecks. And when she got back, "sober", was her life any better? Yeah, she was alive, but was her life any better, really

I think those were the questions Stevie was struggling with in those first years after rehab. The coke made song-writing easier, she's freely said, even to this day. But she lost a lot of confidence in herself after Betty Ford, as well as the weight comments during the Rock A Little tour. I believe this is why she so eagerly embraced the new, Buckingham-free Fleetwood Mac in 1987, even putting her planned 4th solo release (Stevie Nicks: Greatest Hits was due for Christmas 1987) on hold while she toured with Fleetwood Mac through mid-1988. So, even as she regained her confidence as a performer, Stevie still had issues stemming from her non-reliance on cocaine, her growing dependence on tranquilizers (which we didn't know about then) and especially still her 1984 breakup with the love of her life, Joe Walsh.

I listen to The Other Side Of The Mirror, and it reminds me of Stevie's comments about "Angel" in the Tusk documentary. She had planned "Angel" to be an upbeat song to counter her "dark" songs. "And it is up," she says, but there's this dark current running through it still. And that's how I perceive The Other Side Of The Mirror.

Stevie herself has said that "Doing The Best I Can" is her most depressing song, and it is! It's not hopeful in the least! "Well, I hear she's doing fine and she's doing the best that she can..." That sounds angry and pissed off to my ears, those "whispered secrets" going on and on. There's no, "Well, I'm happy now... la dee dah!" It's more, "Well, this is it for now...", resigned to the uncertainty and sadness in her life.

"Long Way To Go" is clear enough in its anger towards Joe. Whether the songs were written pre or post cocaine, they all seem to have disappointment, sadness, longing and anger at their centers. Even the "happiest" song on the album, "Ooh My Love", still is only remembering the good times:

"Yes, it was a strain on her
Watching her castles fall down...
Oh, but there was a time
When he called her 'angel'..."

That time was over, the castle walls had crumbled and fallen. The music is very pretty, but I don't hear joy when Stevie's voice cracks at the end when she proclaims:

"Ooh eh hey, baby
No one can take you away from me!
No... No one..."

Sounds like he was already gone.

"Alice" is so dark and deceptive. Again, I think it's about Stevie's anger and depression about how others treated her. The music floats on air, as do the Girls' backing vocals, but Stevie seems pretty centered, seeing things very clearly. The hidden stilettos waiting to stab you in the back are always present.

"Call out my name
But I get no answer...
And she prays..."

"For the world that we all come from...", she would add in concert. It seemed like that world of ease was gone for Stevie. With more success came more pressures.

Even the cast off "Real Tears" illuminates some of Stevie's feelings. In a 1994 radio interview, Stevie said that "Real Tears" was about how sometimes you cry crocodile tears and you don't really mean it. But sometimes, the tears are real. And they were real tears in that song.

But "Ghosts" said it probably the clearest, as Stevie was hitting 40 as she wrote it:

"To fill the empty spaces
She's feeling,
She depends on her music
Like a husband
And she knows it's no good
To fall in love again..."

Stevie giving up on love??? The ultimate romantic accepting defeat? I think the loss of Joe Walsh from her life is the underlying theme of The Other Side Of The Mirror. And, because Stevie and Joe were not that public in their romance (Stevie never acknowledged it until 1991 ~ in England!), those hidden things she could not say openly came out in the darker tensions on the album.

Let me say, I love all of Stevie's career, peaks and valleys. I think The Other Side Of The Mirror is a lot deeper than Stevie's given credit for.

Mike, these are all very good insights and I loved reading them.
I've long since had the conclusion that OSOTM is Stevie's saddest record in message , while wrapped up in a pretty red bow. It is a cautionary fairy-tale. Rock n' roll style. I remember reading a lot of UK critics reviews when it was released where they pretty much summed it up the same way. Up until this album, who knew Stevie was so self aware :shocked:. It was quite something to see Stevie waking up and being blinded by the light of the day, after drifting so long in the seas of love and romantic possibility.:angel:

[Travis]

I always enjoy reading your posts Mike - I think I'm gonna break out Mirror today, now that I have this new insight :)

[HejiraNYC]

Excellent write-up, Mike! :xoxo: I happen to agree with pretty much everything in your post. However, I do want to elaborate on "Fire Burning," which has never been one of my favorite songs. I also remember the radio interviews at the time in which Stevie described the meaning behind the song- that it was about the things she would risk her life to save if her house was burning (I believe they were her tapes and a cashmere blanket :rolleyes: ). For some reason I was really put off by that, thinking gosh, what a retarded premise for a song. But your write-up has kind of re-opened the case for me. Yes, her explanation at the time was quite literal... but I agree that there is something very dark and troubling about the song. I know I have a tendency to think most of her songs are about drugs... but this one is also about drugs! :lol: The burning fire was her out-of-control drug habit, which gave her that creative spark ("...her eyes grew strangely bright"), or so she thought. She realized that this lifestyle and her mental state was not sustainable, yet she felt like she had to find a way to carry on. So "what could she take and still survive the fire?" More drugs! The tricky part here is the so-called "window," which is an oft-used symbol for enlightenment or an opportunity for escape. It seems that her "window" here was the so-called moment of clarity- an opportunity to "get well" in rehab. But she was defiant: "...it's an illusion!" She was under the (perhaps delusional) notion that all was fine on Planet Stevie- that she was merely self-medicating to help deal with some temporary emotional problems- a soul crying.

So, against her will, she goes to rehab ("...take a little time and then stop"). But the whole time she thought it was bullsh*t ("...it's something that you cannot see..."). But she was determined to survive it despite the trauma of detox ("I'll get down, she says!).

In the final verse, she says "still, there is a fire which no one sees," in other words, despite getting off of cocaine, there is still a problem- and it's called Klonopin! So even though she is supposedly clean, she is still a raging drug addict. And, as we all know, she has always claimed that being addicted to Klonopin was much worse than being addicted to cocaine. So she is now bitter and angry that she was forced to trade down to a poison which was much less fun and much less inspiring creatively, yet just as deadly. The "there's no fire!" that she reiterates until the end of the song has taken on a new meaning. "There's no fire" originally meant there was no problem (with cocaine). Now it means that there is no more creativity due to the after-effects of rehab and Klonopin.

Even if all of the above is totally wrong, I doubt this song was written about cassettes and blankets.

[aprilsrain]

I remember not being impressed with the album musically so I didn't listen to it much. I'm gonna have to go back and rediscover this one. Great post Mike.

[Old Man Wise]

The cover art was also very intense. I would love to see outtakes from this photo session (with the red dress and black background) but I don't think they ever were released.

[mikebise]

Hej, EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!

That's what I meant about "Fire Burning" being so much deeper ~ thank you for such a wonderful write-up!!! I love that! I love everyone's observations.

Stevie was given a "legal" addiction, after she refused to the ridiculousness of her going to AA, since she was not an alcoholic. "Cross addiction" blah, blah, blah. They forced the rehab on her, she did it, so then they tried to force the AA on her, which she flat out refused. So, they did the next best thing and tranquilized her.

And her anger grew. It's SO apparent in these songs, IMO.

[michelej1]

Stevie described the meaning behind the song- that it was about the things she would risk her life to save if her house was burning (I believe they were her tapes and a cashmere blanket :rolleyes: ).

Didn't she say she would save her cat(s) too?

I never thought there was anything upbeat about this album, either on the surface or at a deeper level. On the surface you have the Alice in Wonderland reference, which is itself not only dark, but drug related. For me that is all about manipulation, distortion, delusion and denial. Sanity is at test for Alice and the people around her all seem to be trying to rob her of it, a mass gaslighting that would have made Charles Boyer mavel.

All of the album's songs are in keeping with that theme and I don't even see Rooms on Fire as uplifting, just because there is magic all around, because it seems fleeting. Magic ends. Maybe I'm influenced by the video, but the part of that song that stays with me is the long nets of white clouding memory, not the magic. For me, the magic only comes into play to compound the sense of loss, because I think of having felt it, only to have it taken away. It's more about hating to be separated than of feeling the exhilaration of fire.

The only song to me that could even be seen as remotely cheery is Two Kinds of Love.

Michele

[mikebise]

Here's what my friend John had to say in a message to me on this subject (Don't be mad at me sharing, John, it's an illuminating observation!) ~

[About my comments about "Welcome To The Room... Sara"]

"That's a fascinating take on that interesting and transitional song from Stevie. The end of one part of her career and the beginning of another, sadder one (stylistically, physically, emotionally).

She was different when she got back.

I've always felt the darkness of TOSOTM, even under the frothiness of it's production. Even the album art is very dark; it's almost nightmarish, really. The never-ending darkness all around her except for the one harshly illuminated spot on the checkered floor where Stevie is on her hands and knees. Rumours, Bella Donna, The Wild Heart and Rock a Little all featured proudly standing Stevies. Even the sitting Stevie on The Wild Heart isn't in the same helpless, passive position as the rouged Stevie on TOSOTM. She's the introspective one of a ghostly trio, but not defeated even at the hands of death itself (Robin)."

I got chills reading how John described the album cover. He's so spot on right!

[KarmaContestant]

Didn't she say she would save her cat(s) too?



I recall her saying her "jew-ler-eey" (I always hated the way she said jewelry)

[michelej1]

I've always felt the darkness of TOSOTM, even under the frothiness of it's production. Even the album art is very dark; it's almost nightmarish, really. The never-ending darkness all around her except for the one harshly illuminated spot on the checkered floor where Stevie is on her hands and knees.

I do think the album art is interesting. People here have made me laugh as they mocked her contorted position on the floor and it's become an object of ridicule, which I think is perfectly on target.

Still, I've always been intrigued by the choice that went into that shot. I don't see it as dark, but I do see the floor as cold, domestic (kitchen or diner) and quite unlike Stevie. I'd expect her to be walking on plush carpeting, earth, even clouds, not kneeling on a checkered floor.

Contrasted with her dress, I almost feel like that floor is a magnet, the only thing keeping her grounded and tied to reality. It's a touchstone and anchor. It's Kansas. She's subservient and bends to it, because if she breaks contact with the floor she might just float off, to the other side, never to be retrieved.

Michele

[michelej1]

I recall her saying her "jew-ler-eey" (I always hated the way she said jewelry)

I don't know why I remembered cat when, as far as I know, Stevie hasn't ever talked about having cats. So, I don't know why that was in my head. Here is her quote from 1989 and your jewelry mention:laugh:.

"The original inspiration for this was when I lived in a house on Doheny and my garage caught fire because somebody else's house caught fire down the street and a cinder hit my garage. And I woke up because I heard all this noise. And I looked out my front window and there's, like, 50 firemen running up my driveway and I thought, well, 'what is this for?'

And I ran around to all the windows and finally I got to the back of the house. And I looked out and the entire garage was, like, 50 feet of burning flames. And I ran around to the bathroom about fifteen different times, saying 'what can I take? What should I take?'

So what I took was the dog, the blanket, all my writings and tapes, my jewelry. And I thought, you know, the stairs may be on fire. But she'll get down, she said. I'll get out, I'm not burning up in this house. So that's where the whole beginning and idea of this song came from, was 'what can I take and still survive the fire' or how much time can I spend to decide and not be burned up on the second story?

It's frightening, to see flames that high and know that at any point those flames could hit your house and I didn't know whether the bottom story was on fire already or not. But it was very hard for me because I thought, 'what do I take out of this room?' I did! I ran around in circles three times, four times, five times, and I said, 'I'll take the dog, cashmere blanket, all my tapes, and my writing.' Everything else can be, doesn't matter, material things, at this point, don't matter."

[mikebise]

The cover of "Rooms On Fire" is even more bizarre. It always seemed to me that Stevie wasn't going for Late Eighties Glam, but more for a surreal depiction of loss or madness. Look at that cover. It is so f-ing strange.

[michelej1]

The cover of "Rooms On Fire" is even more bizarre. It always seemed to me that Stevie wasn't going for Late Eighties Glam, but more for a surreal depiction of loss or madness. Look at that cover. It is so f-ing strange.

Yes, I see what you mean about loss and madness in her eyes and in the fact that her skin is so pale.

The decolletage is unlike her too. I mean, not that she usually hides her breasts, but it's strange to me that the camera is shooting her from overhead, so you're looking right down like that.

Michele

[HejiraNYC]

The only song to me that could even be seen as remotely cheery is Two Kinds of Love.

Michele

Oh, I have to disagree! Upon reflection, "Two Kinds of Love" is a pretty dark, tragic song, and it's another one that she seems to have purposefully distorted the meaning of in interviews. I recall in a radio interview that she said that the two kinds of love were 1) the way you love me (no explanation needed) and 2) the way you walk, i.e., that sexy way you move your hips and carry yourself. I always found that second "kind of love" to be odd. I always interpreted "the way you walk" as being the way you walk away from a destructive relationship to save the other person, i.e., if you love someone, set them free. So the two kinds of love are being together and being apart. And I think this song is, yet again, about drugs... and about her relationship with Joe Walsh- the way that, despite their intense love, they were fueling each others bad behaviors. They had to be "estranged sometimes for their very survival." Literally. The most blatant drug reference: "My third day up, well, his second nighter..."

It's a shame that the song was dripping with that schlocky production and Bruce Hornsby's deadpan vocals. And that sax solo. :eek: It's a tasty song cloaked with Cheez Whiz and Bacon Bits.

I think "Alice" is probably the most harrowing song of them all. "Like Alice through the looking glass, she used to know who she was." Ouch! That's some pretty intense honesty. I suppose all of these years we haven't given Stevie enough credit regarding her level of self-awareness. The world at large saw that she was heavy, lethargic and meandering a bit artistically. And on a personal level she knew she was surrounded by sycophants and yes-people who catered to her every indulgence, no matter how destructive. This song proves that she knew what everyone was thinking.

[seekerj]

The cover of "Rooms On Fire" is even more bizarre. It always seemed to me that Stevie wasn't going for Late Eighties Glam, but more for a surreal depiction of loss or madness. Look at that cover. It is so f-ing strange.

When they were paying "Rooms" on the radio before the album came out, one DJ in Connecticut said something to the effect of "you should all see this picture on the cover of "Rooms On fire". It's like she's saying, "Hi, I'm Stevie Nicks, and these are my breasts."

[seekerj]

I don't know why I remembered cat when, as far as I know, Stevie hasn't ever talked about having cats.

I think she's mentioned cats a couple of times. She once said something like "Landslide" was like a cat that disappears and then keeps coming back, and she once had a cat that kept doing that. Something like that. I don't remember what show, but I think it was during an introduction for "Landslide".

Maybe that's what you were thinking of (?).

[KarmaContestant]

Well, it looks like tonight is going to be spent listening to this album for the first time in more than five years.

There have been some great insights in this thread.

When TOSOTM was first released, I absolutely loved it (I was 16). By the time I reached my early 20's, I found it at the bottom of my Stevie-album rankings where it has remained to this day.

Maybe tonight I'll hear some fresh perspectives, although I might have to add some colored lighting and a glass or three of wine to increase the enjoyment of this solo listening party.

[michelej1]

Oh, I have to disagree! Upon reflection, "Two Kinds of Love" is a pretty dark, tragic song, and it's another one that she seems to have purposefully distorted the meaning of in interviews. I recall in a radio interview that she said that the two kinds of love were 1) the way you love me (no explanation needed) and 2) the way you walk, i.e., that sexy way you move your hips and carry yourself. I always found that second "kind of love" to be odd. I always interpreted "the way you walk" as being the way you walk away from a destructive relationship to save the other person, i.e., if you love someone, set them free.

I've always thought of "the way you walk" in a similar way. Not necessarily the way you walk away to save someone from a destructive relationship, but more like the way you walk away to protect and respect yourself. You know: I have a line I will not cross and I won't let you cross it either. I'm not taking this any more.

I mean, you have the one man who did not fall in Stand Back. He did not fall for her so deeply that he lost the firmness of his beliefs. I think "the way you walk" is a man who walks away when he has had enough and doesn't stay and doesn't beg and won't be a doormat -- and whom Stevie admires all the more, for the way he won't put up with it.

So, to me the meaning has always been, the way you walk and the way you love me =

"the way that you leave and the way you love me."

If you are going to do that to yourself, I'm not going to stand here and watch and enable. Tough love.

Michele

[Tango]

Wasn't it more like, "leave the cat--take the cannoli"?

http://images.artnet.com/artwork_images/116810/476957.jpg


I can't remember.

[equeen102289]

I loved reading your post, Mike. I agree with everything you said.

[mitzo]

I do think the album art is interesting. People here have made me laugh as they mocked her contorted position on the floor and it's become an object of ridicule, which I think is perfectly on target.

Still, I've always been intrigued by the choice that went into that shot. I don't see it as dark, but I do see the floor as cold, domestic (kitchen or diner) and quite unlike Stevie. I'd expect her to be walking on plush carpeting, earth, even clouds, not kneeling on a checkered floor.

Contrasted with her dress, I almost feel like that floor is a magnet, the only thing keeping her grounded and tied to reality. It's a touchstone and anchor. It's Kansas. She's subservient and bends to it, because if she breaks contact with the floor she might just float off, to the other side, never to be retrieved.

Michele

I always though that photo was meant to represent Stevie on the chessboard from Alice in Wonderland.

[vivfox]

To me, the meaning of "one for the way you walk," is the way you live your life. How one conducts themself. The 'walk' of life.

[GoldDustOrphan]

The photo on the Rooms on Fire single is such an odd choice, but somehow the right choice. I prefer it to the cover of the album, which had better out-takes than what was chosen. The airbrushing on her face removed her humanity, but unlike the ROM single, I don't think that was the intent.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/rickdunn101/StevieNicks-OSOTMcoverout-takecollage.jpg

[mikebise]

The "Rooms On Fire" cover is stark and vivid. Up close. Look at Stevie's eyes. It's like she's trying to convey through her eyes what she really feels, just like the lyrics on The Other Side Of The Mirror.

"Alice" is my favourite song on the album, and in my favourites of all of Stevie's songs. The "Rooms On Fire" cover is really the "Alice" cover for me. Lost in the Wonderland...

[Old Man Wise]

Thanks for posting some "red-dress" outtakes... Stevie on the couch reminds me of Janis on the cover of Pearl – without the smile.

I have an import of the lp MIRROR which has a hologram pasted on the upper right hand side of the cover. We have been discussing how intense Stevie looks for the album art... but this hologram starts out intense and ends with a smile - if you turn it from left to right. I love this hologram and it would have been terrific if it was released as a limited edition lp which covered the whole album... very mirror-like.

[KarmaContestant]

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/rickdunn101/StevieNicks-OSOTMcoverout-takecollage.jpg

Damn it, Herbie. Release a book already.

[Christopher]

Damn it, Herbie. Release a book already.

Though there are soooo many missed opportunities in Stevie's career, Stevie & Herbie should have finally put out that oft talked about coffee table photo book of their work together coinciding with the release of Crystal Visions. It seems like it should have been a no brainer. With Stevie's blessings Herbie was already doing those calendars. Whats hurt the project no doubt is Stevie and Herbs on and off relationship the last 20 years.:(

[mikebise]

For so long, I never caught the smile on the hologram, only the most intense shots. Then, one day I was moving here in Dallas in 1997, and the sun shone just right on the hologram, and there was Smiling Stevie!!!! :)

[priestofnothing]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/priestofnothing/89_outtake_150.jpg
another outtake

[starshine]

The photo on the Rooms on Fire single is such an odd choice, but somehow the right choice. I prefer it to the cover of the album, which had better out-takes than what was chosen. The airbrushing on her face removed her humanity, but unlike the ROM single, I don't think that was the intent.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/rickdunn101/StevieNicks-OSOTMcoverout-takecollage.jpgI really have liked these outtakes. I love the pictures of Stevie sitting and the blue shawl one too. Which if these are Mirror outtakes than some were used for Timespace than just like I believe some where used for Mask as well. (For those that have the tourbooks to Mask/TS) I do wish for a coffee table book. Another release that could've been done. Heck do it in more than one volume since I'm sure there are many many outtake pictures from Stevie with just Fmac to Stevie solo.Its a shame it appears many will not ever be seen. :shrug:

[Old Man Wise]

Mike...
Have you noticed on the hologram that Stevie's hairstyle doesn't match the cover?
Does anyone have the original photos which make up this hologram? Would love to see a contact sheet from this session.

Also, priest of nothing just posted Stevie wearing the red dress with a crystal ball... would love to see a high res COLOR version of that one!

If Herbie ever releases a calendar again, perhaps he should include 12 outtakes from Stevie's album covers!

[Ghosty]

This is a great discussion of the album. I didn't have any Stevie fan friends or connections back then so never really heard anything about OSOTM when it came out. I was not into Rolling Stone magazine either, and never seemed to see SN or reviews of her new cd in any rock mags around '89 like I did in the 70's to early 80's.

I loved a few songs on OSOTM, but was kind of disappointed in it. It seemed so very different for a Stevie album. Songs like I Still Miss Someone, with it's circus sounding music,or Cry Wolf, which sounded like something I'd hear on my parents easy-listening radio stations. But there were some songs I loved, like Rooms On Fire. I liked Alice but it seemed an odd song for Stevie. It was kind of mellow in music. But the words, that caught me. The choice of songs and it's production really threw me for a loop. I couldn't believe as years went on how Stevie would say it was her favorite album and her best. I would be like - are you kidding?! Now I see the gem of it though. But also think it was her romantic involvement with Rupert while she was making the cd that made her love it so much. But - that ended in yet another rejection. The guy went back to his wife, didn't he?

I thought it was kind of a sad, depressing album all in all. I was like 18 at the time and so I think I was wanting more upbeat or mystical old Stevie that I was used to. But then in my 30's when I listened to it, I liked it so much more. Even Cry Wolf, which I did not care for when it came out, I now love. For me, I had to "age" and live a bit more to get the album. I was not jaded back when it came out. It was kind of lost on me. And I didn't know of Stevie's personal life back then either. After my 30's rolled around, I had been jaded enough in life to grasp it and get it. It's a very grown-up album, for me anyways. I can see now why it did not appeal to me much when it came out and I was still young, naive, and had lots of dreams.

Ever since I started hearing about her life, it seems like she must have such deep pain buried inside. Maybe she's finally released it and moved on, but I don't know. Seems like she has this pattern of loving a man, then she gets pregnant and they could care less. Or she doesn't get pregnant, but they end up leaving her for another woman. Then they marry that other woman and have babies with them. Yet she acts like she still adores them all and is great friends with them and acts as if they are still "loves" in a sense. It seems like such an act. If she truly believes it, it's like she has worked that scenario up in her mind until she was able to convince herself of it to make herself feel better - and look better. But how can all that not bother you? Rejection sucks. And to be pregnant and have the guy not care and say go get an abortion if you want, whatever. But then the guy goes and marries another woman and does have children with her. That has got to hurt you to the bone. It has to be devastating. I know we all go through heartache and broken relationships, but we don't all act as if we are fine about it and best friends with them now, and it's all super great. We admit when it still hurts, or when we still can't stand seeing a certain person. Stuff like that. I feel like Stevie was hurt so much but put on an air about it so she didn't look like the girl who got dumped and who didn't have control of the situation and was rejected.

I know she has admitted the pain of losing someone, and her great love of Joe Walsh. Didn't she once say Mick was her great love too? But like with Lindsey and Don, Tom, and others, it seems like she went out of her way to remain in contact with them, work with them, and act like they still have such a love connection, and that she is friends with or likes their wives and their kids. Just seems very odd, unnatural even. Is it just me who thinks that?

Do we know of any of her boyfriends who were upset over her not having the baby? Didn't she or Don say in that case he was fine with the thought of an abortion?

So with her coke addiction, and her rejections, and abortions, and issues with management, and her career, OSOTM comes across pretty heavy. I see the intensity and value of it and like it now. But as a teen, I saw it just as depressing and kind of dull. Has anyone else liked it better as they got older and had more experiences and been through more rough times?

[Sanne2]

Here's the OSOTM-hologram:
http://i.imgur.com/uA1WA.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6AWjx.jpg

They are indeed not part of the photoshoot that was used for the cover, but from another photoshoot that was used for pics in the tourbook, like this shot:
http://i.imgur.com/E4b5t.jpg

I also came across another OSOTM-hologram but I have no idea where this one was used for:
http://i.imgur.com/rEwry.jpg

[mikebise]

Alicia posted that last shot with the crystal ball on my Facebook page a few weeks ago ~ I'd never seen it before!

Even "I Still Miss Someone", a song she'd loved for over 20 years, had lyrics that were pretty sad, about lost love.

"Well, I wonder if he's sorry
For ending what we had begun...
Well, there's someone,
Someone for me somewhere...
Well, I still miss someone..."

He ended it. Joe. And she still loves him...

[mitzo]

It's a dark album and I appreciated it when it first came out. It has the requisite "WTF" clunker tracks on it but overall the mood of it and the production etc, work for me. Doing the Best That I Can is my favourite on the album, it seems to encapsulate where she was at that time. My only real beef is that it is missing the epic tragic type of Stevie ballad that her previous 2 albums had, namely BATB and HAEWAFY. I'd crawl over glass to get to one of those.

[SapphireSister]

I haven't posted in this thread because I really have nothing to say (yes, I know it's a shocker). The only things I will add are that a) I am so not into her look for this period and into Timespace. Her worst look ever IMO. Hate the hats, hate the make-up, hate the shoulder pads. She looks like a circus freak on the album cover of OSOTM b) the top songs on the album are Rooms on Fire which is my gem, LWTG (12' version) and Alice. Cry Wolf and WLT are decent but everything else is pretty bad c) given a different producer a few of the songs had potential (Juliet, Ghosts). That being said the remainder of the songs are just bad ( I Still Miss Someone, are you kidding and Fire Burning?) To think of all the demos she has that could have taken their places! *hangs head in shame*. She's off the hook a tiny bit because of the klonopin and pushy peeps at the record label but there's really no excuse for the really bad songs on there. She had to have known she could have done so much better with song choices. And not to speak about the zombie-like vocals on the tour (with the exception of Alice). I don't even like the outtakes we have for this album! Did I mention Rooms on Fire is a masterpiece? I guess I do have something to say after all!

[SapphireSister]

Here's the OSOTM-hologram:
http://i.imgur.com/uA1WA.jpg

"I am zombie, hear me yawn".

[SapphireSister]

One last thing: please dl this version of LWTG. I'm not sure if it's a remix/outtake/extended but it rocks my world and I'll never listen to the album version again!
http://www.mediafire.com/?auxl7nrrh2eands

[Artemis]

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/rickdunn101/StevieNicks-OSOTMcoverout-takecollage.jpg

The Blue Photo... this might just be me, but in that one her face looks really young, and you can tell it's the same girl from the early 80s; whilst in most of the other face shots, that distinctive shape isn't there.

Sorta like, I watched The Dance the other night, when I couldn't sleep, and her face looked really... well, it looked like Stevie, but when I watched Live In Boston, totally different face.

I don't think I'm explaining myself very well here :lol:

[Nathan]

Love this thread, thanks everyone.

[Old Man Wise]

Thank you, Sanne2, for posting the crystal ball hologram. Are there any other poses in that piece? Stevie looks very mysterious and intense. I wonder if there is a full-length shot of her standing on the checkerboard floor holding that crystal. Only Herbert knows!

[michelej1]

I always though that photo was meant to represent Stevie on the chessboard from Alice in Wonderland.

Good point. You're probably right that that's why that floor was used.

Also, that's why Stevie has to stay in contact with the board. If you aren't touching it, then you turn to glass (mirror) and you lose your substance. It's only when you're on the board that your inner chess piece is revealed. Lose touch, lose your base, and you might as well be a statue.

Michele

[The Catdancer]

I was trying to think of some instances of Stevie smiling during The Other Side Of The Mirror period...

Well, there's the live version of "Rooms On Fire" in May 1989 on that Dutch (German?) TV show, with Stevie in that black dress and huge black hat, and that grin plastered on her face throughout the song. I swear, she's totally drunk!

Also, there's the May 1989 One To One interview with that English woman, where Stevie actually tries to be funny (another instance of her mimicking Christine!). :lol:

That was a Dutch TV show and she was totally sober. I met her like 20 minutes after that and she was stone cold sober.

[Sanne2]

That was a Dutch TV show and she was totally sober. I met her like 20 minutes after that and she was stone cold sober.

What show was that, was it "Countdown"? How come this isn't anywhere online?

[The Catdancer]

What show was that, was it "Countdown"? How come this isn't anywhere online?

It was called "Rock Over Europe" and had all sorts of artists like Joe Jackson, Duran Duran, Wendy & Lisa etc. She only did ROF. Here's a pic of me & her taken right after that show:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/The_Catdancer/pics/Scannen0014.jpg

This is what she wore during that show. This was taken right after she came back to the hotel. The show was at Carre and she stayed at the Amstel, 5 mins away. So when she did ROF we went straight to the hotel and this pic was taken on the steps of the Amstel. Some people here have footage of the show, I unfortunately do not.

[Sanne2]

^^^ She looks so cute in that pic! You too ;)
And I don't think I've already said it but it's so great that you're here again! A while ago I bought a bunch of old Dutch fanzines, "The Chain" I saw your name and I wondered what had happened with you, and now you're back!

[SapphireSister]

It was called "Rock Over Europe" and had all sorts of artists like Joe Jackson, Duran Duran, Wendy & Lisa etc. She only did ROF. Here's a pic of me & her taken right after that show:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/The_Catdancer/pics/Scannen0014.jpg

This is what she wore during that show. This was taken right after she came back to the hotel. The show was at Carre and she stayed at the Amstel, 5 mins away. So when she did ROF we went straight to the hotel and this pic was taken on the steps of the Amstel. Some people here have footage of the show, I unfortunately do not.

Wow, what a great picture and fabulous treasure to have! Thanks for sharing, you look great!

[The Catdancer]

^^^ She looks so cute in that pic! You too ;)
And I don't think I've already said it but it's so great that you're here again! A while ago I bought a bunch of old Dutch fanzines, "The Chain" I saw your name and I wondered what had happened with you, and now you're back!

Thank you!!! I had no idea "The Chain" was on the market. Unfortunately I lost all my copies :( Do you have any idea where I can get them?

I was gone for a little while but I'm back!!!

[The Catdancer]

Wow, what a great picture and fabulous treasure to have! Thanks for sharing, you look great!

You're welcome and thanks for the compliment but that was many years (and many lbs) ago. It was taken in 1989.

[Sanne2]

Thank you!!! I had no idea "The Chain" was on the market. Unfortunately I lost all my copies :( Do you have any idea where I can get them?

I was gone for a little while but I'm back!!!

I bought mine on Marktplaats.nl but I think I've only seen them listed once.

[The Catdancer]

I bought mine on Marktplaats.nl but I think I've only seen them listed once.

That's too bad. Well, I'm glad you liked them!!!!

[blackdove]

Fabulous thread, everyone has some great observations to make.

I really think TOSOTM is one of her most emotionally intense albums as a whole. This is the first solo Stevie album I owned and it came at a very sad and emotional time in my own life...I believe this is why I became such a fan of Stevie, because I felt the pain of the songs on this album and it reflected my own.

I am so happy for the place that Stevie is in her personal life now, that she came through all that had happened to her and is here to tell the tale...and she really does seem to be happy now, watching her on those behind the scenes videos of Glee is a delight.

Thanks again for this thread, I've really enjoyed reading it.

[Nathan]

Does anyone have any pictures of the Mirror house?

[Macfanforever]

It was called "Rock Over Europe" and had all sorts of artists like Joe Jackson, Duran Duran, Wendy & Lisa etc. She only did ROF. Here's a pic of me & her taken right after that show:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/The_Catdancer/pics/Scannen0014.jpg

This is what she wore during that show. This was taken right after she came back to the hotel. The show was at Carre and she stayed at the Amstel, 5 mins away. So when she did ROF we went straight to the hotel and this pic was taken on the steps of the Amstel. Some people here have footage of the show, I unfortunately do not.

Nice photo of you two. Love that 80's hair.

[tabruns]

I liked OSOTM when it came out. I thought it was a better album than TWH and RAL. "Rooms On Fire" was really awesome. I was so excited when I first heard it on the radio. It should have made the Billboard Top 10.

I agree with others that this is a very dark, mystical album (but that's why I love it). My only complaint is that I think she should have gone "all in" on long, dark, spooky songs. "I Miss Someone" really seems out of place on this album:

The great: "Rooms On Fire"
The good: "Alice", "Doing The Best That I Can", "Ghosts", "Ooh My Love", "Juliet", "Long Way To Go"
The okay: "Whole Lotta Trouble", "Two Kinds of Love", "Fire Burning", "Cry Wolf"
The completely-out-of-place: "I Still Miss Someone"

Replace those last five songs with very dark rockers and haunting ballads and you'd really have something.

[Ghosty]

[QUOTE=mikebise;946287]Thanks! David, I was actually remembering some issues of Rumours from 1989, and everyone was talking about "upbeat" and "Lifting spirits", and I was thinking, "Whuh???"

For me, The Other Side Of The Mirror was like sitting around with a box of wine, thinking about all of the opportunities you'd let slip by, and those you'd loved who left you. QUOTE]

What a great post, I loved everything you mentioned about this album. When this came out I was like 18 yr/s old, and I was kind of bummed. I liked a few songs right off, but mostly it was a big disappointment for me. This music seemed very far from the Stevie Nicks I had come to love. But once into my 30's I sort of re-discovered it and really started loving the whole thing. I found an appreciation for it. Even the song Cry Wolf. I had been really annoyed when the album came out that she would pick such a dull song written by someone else to put on here. But once I got older I began to even love that song. It's like I started to "get it"....the whole feel behind all the songs and the whole record. I think I was just too young and still too naive to get it when it first came out. And hearing other songs that didn't make it onto the album, those too all have a more "grown up" sound to them. To me, anyways. Now I find it a treasure, just like all her stuff. It's pretty open, dark, vulnerable, and not sprinkling the fairy dust on deep matters. Instead it's letting those deep, dark matters see the light of day, whether or people liked it or not.


edit: I still don't like Rupurt AT ALL and think it would have been an even better album if someone else, anyone else, had produced it. And I Still Miss Someone, as awesome as I love Stevie singing it, that circus clown music is just horrid! And Whole Lotta Trouble, I absolutely love the demo of that song. It is more edgy.

[PolishStevieFan]

"The Other Side of The Mirror" is one of the best albums that I've heard in my life and it was the first piece of Stevie's music that I got to hear. For me "the happiest song" on the album "Ooh My Love" is one of the saddest. These lonely castle walls and remembering her lover who used to share them with Stevie is so depressing. The melody and arranagement doesn't suggest the weight of these lyrics. The similar thing is with "Fire Burning". The melody is in the festive, country vein but the topic of the song appears to be concerned with depression brought about the use of Klonopin. "Long Way To Go" I interpret as a way of coping with kicking the drug habit during the long days of rehab. This song is just magnificent. Dark and broody. The conflict between often 'positive' arrangements and 'negative ' lyrics perhaps suggests the inner conflict that Stevie had to deal with at that time of her life. In her devastation she wanted so to change but on the other hand there was no way out of it.

[Macfanforever]

I like The Other Side Of The Mirror album.Love that red dress on the cover. I think I went to 3 shows when she was on tour.especially the show where she exploded at the security for bothering her fans On Sept. 8, 1989 Lake Compounce Bristol, CT show.Got 4th row seats about a week before the show.Got great photos plus a tape of the show.I went to Mansfield with a co-worker and had a blast. Jones Beach or Holmdel was the third. I dont remember. I have to look for my stubs.

[Maxd9]

Does anyone have an mp3 of this version of Dial the number?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQWlI8e8J4Y&feature=plcp&context=C41f56a5VDvjVQa1PpcFM9yNdI2gZrLAudg53kFmEbgmST8gDCkNs%3D

I've downloaded all the masters I can find, but most of them are cut off towards the end, or start with Stevie speaking.

Thanks!

[Nathan]

Some of my favorite songs of all time are ones that are sad, but have wonderful, upbeat melodies. Boys of Summer, Little Red Corvette, That's Alright.

The Other Side of the Mirror was the first Stevie album that I discovered.

My uncles crazy girlfriend at the time, Deborah, was a bleached blonde fixture at a local steak and seafood type bar. She liked pot and music, and that standard kind of fare. She was actually, pretty much a blast - I remember one Thanksgiving cooking late into the night with her.
The Dance album had caught my ear at that point. Those opening notes of The Chain sounded like bluegrass to me, and it just kind of blended in with the rest of the music I was hearing at that time. The imagery in Landslide caught my ear though. I was living in Alaska, and the snow covered hills were so poignant. Of course, I didn't know what is was called. 'This is for you, Daddy' led my search for what I eventually learned was Landslide, to Oh Daddy. Of course, that wasn't right.

Anyway, learning about the band and keeping the five members straight was a whole other journey, essentially.

At some point, I pulled put TOSOTM. It was on CD. The cover picture had me. It was gothic, romantic, dark, pretty... Such mystery. And all of my earliest perceptions about her were centered around that image. I thought she must be some kind of extreme recluse. We had watched Sunset Blvd that term in my film studies class in high school, so I had darren some connections there as well. That she lived in a world of her own. 'She's got a million bucks, and she looks like it'. I actually had something in mind like Emporer Palpatine - that she would be ultra frail and lethargic on stage.

I found TimeSpace at the same time, and the vignettes she wrote for that album, further solidified notions that she may or may not be totally removed from reality.

A visual introduction came eight or nine months later with the best Christmas present I've received to date -- Red Rocksss, Colorado!!

But, that's what TOSOTM is to me, particularly in the context of her solo body of work -- is being removed from reality. Like, insane. At the time, I figured it was an acid thing, or something hallucinogenic. Alice in Wonderland references and all.

There's a clipping in the TOSOTM tour book that says 'Rooms on Fire truly smolders' - and it does. There's some kind of a crackle on that track. Combined with that little spanish sounding guitar, it really almost sounds like its burning, doesn't it? It's a haunting song, but I think it's really the brightest spot on the album, in terms of being uplifting. Rooms on fire says when you were good, you were very good. It doesn't look back on the loce affair with regret or resentment, or longing. It's really pretty matter of fact about it.
I always liked, 'She had trusted many, but been unfamiliar with almost everyone--but you'.

Long nets of white cloud my memory could have been the early understanding that Klonopin had Stevie living in the fog.

In Long Way to Go, I always liked 'High in my life, obsessive my love'.

Whole Lotta Trouble was a double down on that late 80's, early 90's, line dancing bar, country western flare that everything had to it. Stevie of course, pulled it off fabulously. I'm thinking of the Whole Lotta Trouble single cover for example, or songs like Freedom...or I Still Miss Someone. Which, is probably the weakest song on the album. Having said that though, it's really not awful...
As was mentioned earlier...
I wonder if he's sorry,
For ending what we had begun.
I know there's someone for me somewhere,
But I still miss that one.

She depends on her music like a husband always got me...

Ooh my Love has always been a favorite.
I skipped it a hundred times though, because that slap bass in the beginning can be jarring. But when I played it through, I loved it.

There was a light that lighted the way
To the chamber where they spent all their time
Well, there was a light that lighted the way
To the chamber doorway, where --
They seemed to spend all their time.

And then that little music break that follows, where they're going 'Ooh my looove' -- that is the sound that surrounds you when you make the leap, to or from, -- the other side of the mirror.

[Nathan]

Does anyone have any pictures of the house they recorded?

I know I posted some big high resolution pics on here before of Stevie and a couple of producers sitting around a coffee table. There's a big old sack of bud in the center of it.

But yeah, just some pictures of the house would do. : )

[NoLight77]

This is a great discussion of the album. I didn't have any Stevie fan friends or connections back then so never really heard anything about OSOTM when it came out. I was not into Rolling Stone magazine either, and never seemed to see SN or reviews of her new cd in any rock mags around '89 like I did in the 70's to early 80's.

I loved a few songs on OSOTM, but was kind of disappointed in it. It seemed so very different for a Stevie album. Songs like I Still Miss Someone, with it's circus sounding music,or Cry Wolf, which sounded like something I'd hear on my parents easy-listening radio stations. But there were some songs I loved, like Rooms On Fire. I liked Alice but it seemed an odd song for Stevie. It was kind of mellow in music. But the words, that caught me. The choice of songs and it's production really threw me for a loop. I couldn't believe as years went on how Stevie would say it was her favorite album and her best. I would be like - are you kidding?! Now I see the gem of it though. But also think it was her romantic involvement with Rupert while she was making the cd that made her love it so much. But - that ended in yet another rejection. The guy went back to his wife, didn't he?

I thought it was kind of a sad, depressing album all in all. I was like 18 at the time and so I think I was wanting more upbeat or mystical old Stevie that I was used to. But then in my 30's when I listened to it, I liked it so much more. Even Cry Wolf, which I did not care for when it came out, I now love. For me, I had to "age" and live a bit more to get the album. I was not jaded back when it came out. It was kind of lost on me. And I didn't know of Stevie's personal life back then either. After my 30's rolled around, I had been jaded enough in life to grasp it and get it. It's a very grown-up album, for me anyways. I can see now why it did not appeal to me much when it came out and I was still young, naive, and had lots of dreams.

Ever since I started hearing about her life, it seems like she must have such deep pain buried inside. Maybe she's finally released it and moved on, but I don't know. Seems like she has this pattern of loving a man, then she gets pregnant and they could care less. Or she doesn't get pregnant, but they end up leaving her for another woman. Then they marry that other woman and have babies with them. Yet she acts like she still adores them all and is great friends with them and acts as if they are still "loves" in a sense. It seems like such an act. If she truly believes it, it's like she has worked that scenario up in her mind until she was able to convince herself of it to make herself feel better - and look better. But how can all that not bother you? Rejection sucks. And to be pregnant and have the guy not care and say go get an abortion if you want, whatever. But then the guy goes and marries another woman and does have children with her. That has got to hurt you to the bone. It has to be devastating. I know we all go through heartache and broken relationships, but we don't all act as if we are fine about it and best friends with them now, and it's all super great. We admit when it still hurts, or when we still can't stand seeing a certain person. Stuff like that. I feel like Stevie was hurt so much but put on an air about it so she didn't look like the girl who got dumped and who didn't have control of the situation and was rejected.

I know she has admitted the pain of losing someone, and her great love of Joe Walsh. Didn't she once say Mick was her great love too? But like with Lindsey and Don, Tom, and others, it seems like she went out of her way to remain in contact with them, work with them, and act like they still have such a love connection, and that she is friends with or likes their wives and their kids. Just seems very odd, unnatural even. Is it just me who thinks that?

Do we know of any of her boyfriends who were upset over her not having the baby? Didn't she or Don say in that case he was fine with the thought of an abortion?

So with her coke addiction, and her rejections, and abortions, and issues with management, and her career, OSOTM comes across pretty heavy. I see the intensity and value of it and like it now. But as a teen, I saw it just as depressing and kind of dull. Has anyone else liked it better as they got older and had more experiences and been through more rough times?



Great post Ghosty. It does look like she's best friends with her old loves, not hurt by them. Here's a telling picture.

[Ghosty]

I actually find it weird she stays friends with them all. Sometimes I wonder if it's not a cover up. She doesn't want the world (or the ex-boyfriends) to know really how deep the pain was. Acting like friends makes it seems she was fine, they didn't break her heart, it's all okay. Also it's away to keep them in her life. hmmmmm.....

[Aussie W/Heart]

Does anyone have any pictures of the house they recorded?

I know I posted some big high resolution pics on here before of Stevie and a couple of producers sitting around a coffee table. There's a big old sack of bud in the center of it.

But yeah, just some pictures of the house would do. : )

I'd like to see the coffee table scene:D , Nathan do you still have that pic???

[Nathan]

I'd like to see the coffee table scene:D , Nathan do you still have that pic???

I do on a big portable storage drive.

There's two of them that I had... Yeah, they're pretty neat. Really big, high resolution.

I know that someone must've saved them. They're probably a couple hundred pages back on one if the epic Stevie picture threads.

I suppose I might've even gotten them from here back in the day

[Nathan]

Ghostly -

Great post. Lots of good stuff in there.
I'll have to dissect or more later. But I think all
Of it plays into the Norma Desmond thing.

[NoLight77]

I actually find it weird she stays friends with them all. Sometimes I wonder if it's not a cover up. She doesn't want the world (or the ex-boyfriends) to know really how deep the pain was. Acting like friends makes it seems she was fine, they didn't break her heart, it's all okay. Also it's away to keep them in her life. hmmmmm.....


It's a too good to be true situation. How many of us are friends with our ex boyfriends/girlfriends? But maybe it's because they are all in the music business that she doesn't want her true feelings to come out. Being a romantic, she probably wants the stars she dated to remain "romantic". Like she told Jimmy on AI, he was a "beautiful nightmare.". How many of us would call our nightmares beautiful? She wants to preserve the image, and hide the reality. And if she ever were to write a book, would she tell us anything? Sometimes I doubt it. She did tell us about Joe and Kim, so I go back and forth on this, "Yes she will tell us her life story" to "No, she won't." Sometimes I think the book will be surface, as she has said she won't disclose the drama. But that's what I want to hear, however bad that sounds. I want to hear what it was like to date Don, and not only how he taught her to spend money. I want to know what she went through.

[Nathan]

^^
Yes.
The limos and learjets would be the icing. The
cake is the emotion and the story.

I'd like to hear what caused the great divorce
between Rupert and Stevie.

We know she left sessions with Rupert,
in England, in a big hurry. He made it
'impossible to be together'. She left for LA without
having even named the record.

[NoLight77]

^^
Yes.
The limos and learjets would be the icing. The
cake is the emotion and the story.

I'd like to hear what caused the great divorce
between Rupert and Stevie.

We know she left sessions with Rupert,
in England, in a big hurry. He made it
'impossible to be together'. She left for LA without
having even named the record.



Me too. Wide Sargasso Sea was so clearly about their relationship. I hear he was married? I'm not sure, just heard.

[PenguinHead]

One last thing: please dl this version of LWTG. I'm not sure if it's a remix/outtake/extended but it rocks my world and I'll never listen to the album version again!
http://www.mediafire.com/?auxl7nrrh2eands

Yes, that extended mix of the song is really great. It should have been included on the Enchanted box set. I'm still wishing for another box set featuring all the other rarities.

I have the UK issued CD single of "Long Way To Go," which oddly uses the same artwork from the 'Two Kinds of Love" single. The listing is as follows:

1. Long Way To Go (7" version)
2. Real Tears
3.No Spoken Word (live from Red Rocks)
4. Long Way To Go (remix)

notes: track 4 engineered and remixed by Stephen W. Tayler

[Nathan]

^^^
Interesting, love to hear that number 4.

[vivfox]

I hear he was married?


Oh yeah and that would be a road block for Ms. Nicks?

[johnnystorms]

^^
Yes.
The limos and learjets would be the icing. The
cake is the emotion and the story.

I'd like to hear what caused the great divorce
between Rupert and Stevie.

We know she left sessions with Rupert,
in England, in a big hurry. He made it
'impossible to be together'. She left for LA without
having even named the record.

guess i'm behind here, but i thought the sessions were in a "fabulous castle" estate in LA that rented for 25,000 a month. didn't know they recorded in England.

[UndoingTheLaces]

Mirror was an album that came out around the end of my Freshmen year in college. I was doing college radio and had snagged the single of Rooms on Fire from the radio station promos. I listed to it over and over. As much as I loved Rooms, it was Alice that captured my heart. I've been a fan of the original Lewis Carol Alice books since I was a kid and all the various incarnations and having Steve in Wonderland thrilled me. Although I had always wished the covers of the album were reversed because that image of Stevie standing in that gorgeous red dress on the checkerboard floor reminded me so much of the Red Queen. That album will always remind me of that place I was in going from child to young adult. Leaving the past of my small town behind and living in that strange limbo that college is and facing the great unknown of adulthood. College can be a strange and surreal landscape if you let it and boy did I. My first experiences drinking and smoking pot. My first times staying away from home on my own, unsupervised. Road trips to friends' homes in towns I've never heard of. I jumped at chances to live an unusual life and Mirror was the perfect soundtrack to that early leg of the journey.

[cliffdweller]

Like she told Jimmy on AI, he was a "beautiful nightmare.". How many of us would call our nightmares beautiful?

Wasn't she quoting the song the contestant was singing and joking with JI?

In any event, I'm sure Jimmy was a nightmare. Maybe not a beautiful one, but definitely a task master in the studio.

[Kate]

The more I listen to this one, the more it actually becomes one of my favourites.

[wheart]

I remember waiting for this album to come out and then being majorly disappointed because it was nothing like RAL, which I simply adored. I've never totally warmed up to this record, even after all these years. I have a problem with all those keyboards! :laugh: Still it does contain Rooms on Fire, one of her finest songs ever to make its way on an album.

[michelej1]

In any event, I'm sure Jimmy was a nightmare. Maybe not a beautiful one, but definitely a task master in the studio.

And CAH wrote that Jimmy didn't like Stevie doing drugs, so she would have to sneak and do them when he wasn't around. This probably made her dislike studio time quite a bit.

Michele

[NoLight77]

Wasn't she quoting the song the contestant was singing and joking with JI?

In any event, I'm sure Jimmy was a nightmare. Maybe not a beautiful one, but definitely a task master in the studio.


I was making the point that Stevie is still friends with her exes. And the whole Beautiful Nightmare thing fit in perfectly.

[Nathan]

guess i'm behind here, but i thought the sessions were in a "fabulous castle" estate in LA that rented for 25,000 a month. didn't know they recorded in England.

Right, mixing sessions, I think.

[PenguinHead]

I remember waiting for this album to come out and then being majorly disappointed because it was nothing like RAL, which I simply adored. I've never totally warmed up to this record, even after all these years. I have a problem with all those keyboards! :laugh: Still it does contain Rooms on Fire, one of her finest songs ever to make its way on an album.

lol...I had the opposite reaction. I was thrilled that it sounded nothing like Rock A Little! It seemed more grounded and centered, and I thought the lyrics were better written.

[cliffdweller]

I was making the point that Stevie is still friends with her exes. And the whole Beautiful Nightmare thing fit in perfectly.

Oh sorry. I thought you were implying that she came up with the "beautiful nightmare" line on her own. My bad.

[loubird98]

OSOTM is my favorite. I love the darkness, as well as the Poetic feel and fire/fairytale theme. I think it's brilliant.

[David]

I've never totally warmed up to this record, even after all these years. I feel the same. I think it has some cool songs on it--all of Stevie's albums always have a cool batch of songs on them. But what turns me on (or off) ultimately is what the songs sound like. On Mirror, I've never been able to warm to the Euro style of production and the near-absence of a bottom end, especially on "Rooms on Fire" and "Ooh My Love." Plus, I don't like the way her vocals were recorded. I bet if I heard Stevie's demos for all these songs, I'd love them.

[vivfox]

I bet if I heard Stevie's demos for all these songs, I'd love them.


I know you know this, but for those of you that don't, Stevie often said at the time that this was the only record where the producer(Rupert Hine) kept each track as close to the demo as possible, which was something that Stevie had wanted for each album but had yet to attain. I have heard demos for this record. Ususally I love her demos more than the released versions but not on TOSOTM. I love this album.

[johnnystorms]

I feel the same. I think it has some cool songs on it--all of Stevie's albums always have a cool batch of songs on them. But what turns me on (or off) ultimately is what the songs sound like. On Mirror, I've never been able to warm to the Euro style of production and the near-absence of a bottom end, especially on "Rooms on Fire" and "Ooh My Love." Plus, I don't like the way her vocals were recorded. I bet if I heard Stevie's demos for all these songs, I'd love them.

could you explain what you mean by "near-absence of a bottom end" ?

[David]

could you explain what you mean by "near-absence of a bottom end" ?A mix that emphasizes the mid range frequencies at the expense of low end frequencies, giving the listener the impression that the producers deliberately decreased the presence on the bass guitars and kick drums. This gives a track that's filled with synths & layered vocals a transistory sound--tinny and lacking propulsion.

Stevie's nasally voice always sounds better with a pulsating low foundation beneath her, as on the studio tracks of "Dreams" & "Angel."

Good reading: http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_lowdown_bass_recording/

[Christopher]

A mix that emphasizes the mid range frequencies at the expense of low end frequencies, giving the listener the impression that the producers deliberately decreased the presence on the bass guitars and kick drums. This gives a track that's filled with synths & layered vocals a transistory sound--tinny and lacking propulsion.

Stevie's nasally voice always sounds better with a pulsating low foundation beneath her, as on the studio tracks of "Dreams" & "Angel."

Good reading: http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_lowdown_bass_recording/


Whats interesting is that the great Tony Levin played bass on a few key tracks on OSOTM. However, I agree that the obvious absence or emphasis on the low end frequencies throughout the record & final mix hurt the overall listening impact. The result was a vapor-like sound, neither liquid or solid. That mixing approach arguably worked on some songs, especially the atmospheric & airy "Alice" & "Ghosts". But more attention to the bass & drums would have really lifted and rounded out songs like "Rooms On Fire", "Long Way To Go", "Ooh My Love" , "Whole Lotta Trouble" & "Juliet" giving them all some much needed heft. But alas I believe this was the sound they (Rupert & Stevie) were aiming towards, a misty fairy tale sound, not too heavy, but not to light, to crystalize Stevie's vision of a magic album wrapped inside a nightmare - fog surrounding her tales of disappointment & self realization.

The interesting thing is when Stevie had Chris Lord-Alge remix the single version of WLT, the lower end was vastly improved. Same with his remix of "Rooms On Fire" for the "Timespace" collection, both songs had the propulsion & depth that elevated them to a new listening dimension, esp ROF. Upon 1st hearing the "Rooms On Fire" remix on Timespace (my all time favorite version) I couldn't help but be a little saddened that this version hadn't been the official single version released in 89', because IMO it would have leapt off the radio speakers boldly, engaging those listening more aggressively, while possibly becoming even a bigger charting single for Stevie, instead of the timid & limp album version.

[johnnystorms]

A mix that emphasizes the mid range frequencies at the expense of low end frequencies, giving the listener the impression that the producers deliberately decreased the presence on the bass guitars and kick drums. This gives a track that's filled with synths & layered vocals a transistory sound--tinny and lacking propulsion.

Stevie's nasally voice always sounds better with a pulsating low foundation beneath her, as on the studio tracks of "Dreams" & "Angel."

Good reading: http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_lowdown_bass_recording/

thank you! i love to hear , and appreciate your technical expertise. i DO agree with you now that i understand it.

[Over and Over]

The first concert I went to was for this album. I was 14 and completely star struck. It was at the Summit in Houston. Before she began WLOT she said the footage they were shooting was for the new single and to look for it. The song was played four or five times and cameras were moved and readjusted after each take. I never saw it on TV and was wondering if anyone knew what happened to it.

[Rod~A~Little]

I remember being surprised and a bit annoyed in 1989 by Stevie's comments in interviews about the meaning of The Other Side Of The Mirror, i.e., going back and forth from solo to Fleetwood Mac. I found that very superficial, and I didn't believe her for a second. Added with the reviews and fan gushings, all centering on castles and unicorns and fairy tales and stuff, I wondered if I was hearing the same album as everyone else!

I love The Other Side Of The Mirror! But from the moment I got the "Rooms On Fire" single with "Alice" on it, I found the songs full of darkness, anger and fear. And rightfully so, I thought.

"Welcome To The Room... Sara" prepped us a little with Stevie's anger at her management company, letting them know, "I will be different when I get back, and you can take all of the credit, baby!" Stevie didn't want to go to Betty Ford for her cocaine problem. She was leveraged into it, forced by those around her looking out for their own paychecks. And when she got back, "sober", was her life any better? Yeah, she was alive, but was her life any better, really?

I think those were the questions Stevie was struggling with in those first years after rehab. The coke made song-writing easier, she's freely said, even to this day. But she lost a lot of confidence in herself after Betty Ford, as well as the weight comments during the Rock A Little tour. I believe this is why she so eagerly embraced the new, Buckingham-free Fleetwood Mac in 1987, even putting her planned 4th solo release (Stevie Nicks: Greatest Hits was due for Christmas 1987) on hold while she toured with Fleetwood Mac through mid-1988. So, even as she regained her confidence as a performer, Stevie still had issues stemming from her non-reliance on cocaine, her growing dependence on tranquilizers (which we didn't know about then) and especially still her 1984 breakup with the love of her life, Joe Walsh.

I listen to The Other Side Of The Mirror, and it reminds me of Stevie's comments about "Angel" in the Tusk documentary. She had planned "Angel" to be an upbeat song to counter her "dark" songs. "And it is up," she says, but there's this dark current running through it still. And that's how I perceive The Other Side Of The Mirror.

Stevie herself has said that "Doing The Best I Can" is her most depressing song, and it is! It's not hopeful in the least! "Well, I hear she's doing fine and she's doing the best that she can..." That sounds angry and pissed off to my ears, those "whispered secrets" going on and on. There's no, "Well, I'm happy now... la dee dah!" It's more, "Well, this is it for now...", resigned to the uncertainty and sadness in her life.

"Long Way To Go" is clear enough in its anger towards Joe. Whether the songs were written pre or post cocaine, they all seem to have disappointment, sadness, longing and anger at their centers. Even the "happiest" song on the album, "Ooh My Love", still is only remembering the good times:

"Yes, it was a strain on her
Watching her castles fall down...
Oh, but there was a time
When he called her 'angel'..."

That time was over, the castle walls had crumbled and fallen. The music is very pretty, but I don't hear joy when Stevie's voice cracks at the end when she proclaims:

"Ooh eh hey, baby
No one can take you away from me!
No... No one..."

Sounds like he was already gone.

"Alice" is so dark and deceptive. Again, I think it's about Stevie's anger and depression about how others treated her. The music floats on air, as do the Girls' backing vocals, but Stevie seems pretty centered, seeing things very clearly. The hidden stilettos waiting to stab you in the back are always present.

"Call out my name
But I get no answer...
And she prays..."

"For the world that we all come from...", she would add in concert. It seemed like that world of ease was gone for Stevie. With more success came more pressures.

Even the cast off "Real Tears" illuminates some of Stevie's feelings. In a 1994 radio interview, Stevie said that "Real Tears" was about how sometimes you cry crocodile tears and you don't really mean it. But sometimes, the tears are real. And they were real tears in that song.

But "Ghosts" said it probably the clearest, as Stevie was hitting 40 as she wrote it:

"To fill the empty spaces
She's feeling,
She depends on her music
Like a husband
And she knows it's no good
To fall in love again..."

Stevie giving up on love??? The ultimate romantic accepting defeat? I think the loss of Joe Walsh from her life is the underlying theme of The Other Side Of The Mirror. And, because Stevie and Joe were not that public in their romance (Stevie never acknowledged it until 1991 ~ in England!), those hidden things she could not say openly came out in the darker tensions on the album.

Let me say, I love all of Stevie's career, peaks and valleys. I think The Other Side Of The Mirror is a lot deeper than Stevie's given credit for.

WOW! What an Excellent post! Thanks!...I agree that she is not given enough credit for TOSOTM as well!

Curious about the cocaine & making songwriting easier though. Did she ever say that?...I'm also a singer/songwriter...and every time I write a song drunk...I end up thinking what the hell was I doing???... Can't imagine adding drugs! lol

[StreetAngel86]

She was different when she got back.

I've always felt the darkness of TOSOTM, even under the frothiness of it's production. Even the album art is very dark; it's almost nightmarish, really. The never-ending darkness all around her except for the one harshly illuminated spot on the checkered floor where Stevie is on her hands and knees. Rumours, Bella Donna, The Wild Heart and Rock a Little all featured proudly standing Stevies. Even the sitting Stevie on The Wild Heart isn't in the same helpless, passive position as the rouged Stevie on TOSOTM. She's the introspective one of a ghostly trio, but not defeated even at the hands of death itself (Robin)."[/B]


Mirror has always been my fave album because overall there's only one song i skip ... yeah no guesses for which one :p but 1/2 the reason the album appeals to me is because of the COVER ...and the dark 'fairy tale' fantasy theme. and this description is so bang on and so depressing ... I prefer the back picture. it always reminds me of someone swaying around in a delusion.

And as for Fire Burning being about a garage burning down ... yeah right :rolleyes: there's no fire burning/just a soul crying ... ouch

[StreetAngel86]

I don't know why I remembered cat when, as far as I know, Stevie hasn't ever talked about having cats. So, I don't know why that was in my head. "

ignore this if it's already been said ... havent made it through all 4 pages yet
but Stevie has said she's had pet cats before
and once, the only story i remember her saying was about the stray
that she didnt know where it came from but she fed it for YEARS and YEARS :laugh:

[WarmSir3]

Sorry for digging up this old thread guys - but I was wondering if anyone has Real Tears in FLAC format? I'm a bit of an audiophile and I feel like it belongs on the OSOTM so I want to burn a disc with it on it but I have only found mp3's. I assume it's ok to share since it's not avail commercially anymore as far as I know?

[Phoenixgypsy]

I agree with you about Real Tears. That one should have totally been on the album and not left as just a b-side!

[blemelin]

I'm only repeating what I've read a couple of times. Apparently, she left after she found him in a compromising position with another man. I don't know if that's true, but I've seen it mentioned in various FM & SN forums over the years.

[peer_gynt10]

I'm only repeating what I've read a couple of times. Apparently, she left after she found him in a compromising position with another man. I don't know if that's true, but I've seen it mentioned in various FM & SN forums over the years.

This is so Blanche DuBois.

[Nathan]

I'm only repeating what I've read a couple of times. Apparently, she left after she found him in a compromising position with another man. I don't know if that's true, but I've seen it mentioned in various FM & SN forums over the years.

That is one theory.

The other common one, is that he brought cocaine to the mixing sessions.

[michelej1]

Seattle Gay Times, April 25, 2014

http://www.sgn.org/sgnnews42_17/page22.cfm


20 great albums celebrating milestones this year
by Albert Rodriguez - SGN A&E Writer

The Other Side of the Mirror - Stevie Nicks
(released May 11, 1989)
Not as riveting as Bella Dolla or as mystical as The Wild Heart, but just as beloved by Nicks faithful around the world, this album featured a terrific collaboration with Bruce Hornsby. Best track: 'Rooms on Fire.'

[Neal]

Seattle Gay Times, April 25, 2014

http://www.sgn.org/sgnnews42_17/page22.cfm


20 great albums celebrating milestones this year
by Albert Rodriguez - SGN A&E Writer

The Other Side of the Mirror - Stevie Nicks
(released May 11, 1989)
Not as riveting as Bella Dolla or as mystical as The Wild Heart, but just as beloved by Nicks faithful around the world, this album featured a terrific collaboration with Bruce Hornsby. Best track: 'Rooms on Fire.'

Yes, and it was called "Juliet". :nod:

[BlueDenimLamp]

the only story i remember her saying was about the stray that she didnt know where it came from but she fed it for YEARS and YEARS :laugh: It's name was Lindsey and she fed it Hamburger Helper for years and years...:laugh:

[vivfox]

Yes, and it was called "Juliet". :nod:

I think the article was referring to the song, Two Kinds of Love.

[Dex]

I think the article was referring to the song, Two Kinds of Love.

I think the article's careful use of the word "terrific" rules out that possibility pretty decisively. ;)

Do like seeing TOSOTM getting some good press, but unfortunately "just as beloved [as BD and WH] by Nicks faithful around the world" is a flat-out lie.

[Macfanforever]

I love Two Kinds of Love.Also I'm a fan of Bruce's tunes too.Plus my Aunts favorite artist Kenny G.

[Dex]

I don't dislike Two Kinds of Love, but it sounds more like a song that was cut from a Disney animated musical than a Stevie Nicks song. I don't get the "vibe" from it and it's hard to get too excited about. It's not unpleasant. I just like most of the rest of the album a whole lot more.

Except for the two cover songs, of course. But I've done a pretty solid job of convincing myself those two tracks don't even exist.

[StreetAngel86]

It's name was Lindsey and she fed it Hamburger Helper for years and years...:laugh:

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
poor cat died of malnutrition :distress::D

[bombaysaffires]

Stevie's nasally voice always sounds better with a pulsating low foundation beneath her, as on the studio tracks of "Dreams" & "Angel."


Yes!

And the studio version of Rhiannon.

[singertobe]

I'm gonna be honest. I've never found ANY of her music to be dark.:sorry: I've never understood why we all describe her music that way. It always makes me feel like I'm in a pretty fairytale land. :D

[Neal]

I think the article was referring to the song, Two Kinds of Love.

I'm pretty sure it was, but...

I think the article's careful use of the word "terrific" rules out that possibility pretty decisively. ;)


This. :cool:

[michelej1]

I'm gonna be honest. I've never found ANY of her music to be dark.:sorry: I've never understood why we all describe her music that way. It always makes me feel like I'm in a pretty fairytale land. :D

Well, I might not say "dark" but I think some of her music is definitely moody and atmospheric. I think Rooms on Fire is.

But I think the same is true of Sara, Rhiannon, Moonlight. I think they have this quality where you're slowly uncovering something, a little mystery that threatens to swallow you. I mean in the same sense that Black Magic Woman does.

Michele

[gssmith]

A lot of people don't seem to care for the album. I love it, but have to be in the right mood. It's good on rainy days. Love doing the best that I can! It's funny how rooms really is a very positive song, but the only positive one on there. I really like: Juliet, whole lotta trouble, long way to go, cry wolf, and ghosts. Ooh my love is good too. Alice drags a little but it's ok. Like real tears and mirror mirror. The album sold well I believe. Especially over seas. Sorry I didn't read the posts too well, just kind if skimed thru if someone said the same things.

[StreetAngel86]

I'm gonna be honest. I've never found ANY of her music to be dark.:sorry: I've never understood why we all describe her music that way. It always makes me feel like I'm in a pretty fairytale land. :D

Space Needle ... Street Angel ... Alice ... Joan of Arc ... When I See You Again, Doing the Best I Can ... conjure up images of sunshine and rainbows for you do they? :D

[welcomechris]

Yes, and it was called "Juliet". :nod:

Bruce Sings Backup on Juliet

on the

So you found a queen without a king
Oh, yes, and everyone here loved her

part

He sings a duet with Stevie on Two Kinds Of Love

[AliceLover]

"Ooh My Love," "Ghosts," "Alice" all still take me to that place the first time I heard the album. Love those tracks...

[StreetAngel86]

"Ooh My Love," "Ghosts," "Alice" all still take me to that place the first time I heard the album. Love those tracks...

Alice is really under-appreciated I think
:nod: