Is Stevie a Christian? (Wait, hear me out...)

[Ghost_Tracker]

I have an admittedly crazy-wack0 late-night thought that I'd like to bounce off of everyone just to hear what they say. First up, let me "qualify" it with this "caveat,"
I am NOT naive about her and nothing would surprise me, barely just short of
considering the possibility of there being a whole string of ex-boyfriends' bodies
hidden in the desert someplace. ;) But - - - Does anyone ever wonder if she made
the WHOLE thing up, in order to help people and guide them towards a "clean" life and spirituality?
Or to put it frankly - Is Stevie actually a Christian?

Before you answer, consider the following:

1.) The imagery she uses in her shows - for example, a dove flying through the air - clearly "borrowed" from Christianity and a very "pro-peace"image.

2.) I challenge you to do a thorough google search for images of her and NOT find a picture of her holding a book.

3.) She's CLEARLY heavily influenced by Charles Dickens, whose stories are based on his deep belief in Christianity and are extremely moral. Oscar Wilde is an admitted influence too - while certain churches may have their "differences" with him, his stories are, i.m.o., ultimately very moral.

4.) Think of all the LIVES she's saved - both from convincing people to get off of drugs, and saving people from committing suicide. I can't COUNT how many people in the discussion boards and in Nicksfix chat have told me that they literally would have killed themselves were it not for Stevie.

5.) Has there ever - ONCE - been a video tape or film made of Stevie having a SERIOUS knock-down drag out with Lindsey which was not officially sold by Warner Brothers for marketing purposes? How many times has Lindsey heard a story Stevie has told of their fighting, gotten a shocked look on his face and said something like "...If she SAYS so!"

6.) How much has Stevie given to charity over the years? How many lives has the heart center she and her Dad built saved so far? She gave $10,000 to for tsunami relief the day after it happened.

7.) How many of her songs COULD be interpreted - if one chooses - to be "pro-Christianity?" I never thought of this until now but - "Then suddenly there was no
one standing in the hallway" - I've always thought, frankly, that it's about losing your virginity, but, taken a certain way . . . Well, it's certainly a song that's in favor of life as opposed to death. And how many references to angels does she have in her songs?
"It's as close - to being - in HEAVEN!" An anti-adultery song. Would you call "The Highwayman" an "immoral" song? Or a song filled with optimism that although things are complex, there will always be a positive outcome if one sticks with one's beliefs?

8.) SO much partying in the rock scene in the 80s. WILD parties. With, frankly, some people who were extremely self-centered and money hungry. Where's the PHOTOS, people??? There's a grand total of *zero* of them, as everyone knows.

9.) Either way, she clearly loved her Dad SO much - - - with all that love, with all that support - with him THERE ON TOUR with her - - is there actually a real possibility that she DIDN'T "stay Amber"?

10.) How many fans and people who have worked with her consider Stevie to be a genuinely good, if imperfect, person? An honest one? A kind one? How many fans have said "she was so NICE to me" or "she was so HUMBLE!" ?

11.) WHERE did Stevie and Lindsey meet, again???


And finally, check this out -

"I choose to be his confidant
And to keep him from the fire
I choose to be quietly discreet
If that is his desire
I touch with gossamer wings
To be quiet around you
There is so much going on
You could easily
Wake up with a stranger

It's not something that you plan
One night in a world of pain
And you finally understand
Not all the king's horses, not all the king's men
Could put it back together

You say you wouldn't do this for very long
The applause from it all is so defining
Well it bounces off the wall at you
When the miracle is happening
High priestess...she's the keeper of the peace in this
Twice as much, intensified
What people will do
To get...this...high

It's not something that you plan
One night in a world of pain
And you finally understand
Not all the king's horses, not all the king's men
Could put it back together

And now alone in my room
As it all begins again
Was I so wrong
Why am I always so intense?
In this same place I sit
The same place as before
Well I came all the way here
Just to watch you walk out that door

I didn't ask when you shook your head
I always accepted what you said
As the truth and the truth only
Well, it's not enough that you depend on me
And it's not enough that you say you love me
It's not enough to just save face
Because sometimes
You just fall from grace

Sometimes
You just fall from grace

Maybe I am calmer now
Maybe things are fine
Maybe I made the whole thing up
Maybe it isn't a lie
Maybe the reason I say these things
Is to bring you back alive
and maybe I fought this long and this hard
Just to make sure you survive!"




So there 'ya go! - Some total heresy, STRAIGHT out of The Twilight Zone!
What do you guys think? :D



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[10kRedSolids]

i like weed.

[ShatteringGlass]

Someone had some time..... ;)

[fringed n fab]

I think she's always been a spiritual person in her beliefs and she believes in God. I just think she liked dressing in flowy things and it became a part of her songs and image and she liked playing the part of a witch for fun and what she became known for, but never was one personally.

[holidayroad]

I think she is spiritual in varied ways. It would not surprise me if she said she believes a little of every religion, as long as it is helpful to the person believing it.

[CADreaming]

I think she was raised with Christian beliefs and went to a few Catholic schools, but I've never heard if her family was Catholic. Does anyone know if it is or was in her generation common for protestants to go to parochial schools?

[BombaySapphire3]

I think she was raised with Christian beliefs and went to a few Catholic schools, but I've never heard if her family was Catholic. Does anyone know if it is or was in her generation common for protestants to go to parochial schools?

I believe she was raised Episcopalian ..kind of a watered down Catholicism IMO.

[nofearonlylove]

I personally, do not think Stevie follows any religion at all.

Her family may have followed some sort of organized religion but I do believe that she chose to go her own way as far as her spirituality goes, and firmly believes in anyone's choice to believe in what THEY want. She may mention God and "heavenly images" but there are all kinds of God's to sing about, all kinds of heavens, all kinds of angels, etc. The Christian God isn't the only one that exists. Lots of people use the term "God" as a general term for their "spiritual belief", whatever it may be.

Also, I do not see how all of her good deeds and charitable donations, the anti-drug rants, etc....make her a Christian? One does not have to be a Christian to do all of these things. Also, most Christians promote Christianity, however minor. Stevie has never once mentioned her religious beliefs, which is usually very difficult for a Christian to do (for example, in liner notes in albums, thank you speeches for awards...."I first would like to thank GOD..." - I've never known Stevie to say this).

Stevie is also WAY too interested in other things to be considered a "Christian" (Vampires, Magick, Stars & Moons, Witches, etc).

I don't mean to sound judgmental of the Christian religion, but again... charity is not synonymous with Christianity alone, nor is the term "God".

Stevie is spiritual, believes in a higher power, but I do not believe she follows ANY organized religion.

Smiles :)
Erica

[WildHearted]

Well, you certainly can be interested in stars/moons/mythology and be a Christian. However, while Stevie was likely raised with some form of Christianity (and she may very well hold onto those beliefs today, who knows), I don't think she practices it in an organized way at all anymore. She believes in God per her own admission, but like stated above, it seems that she just kind of does her own thing as far as her beliefs/spirituality go - which is perfectly fine.

[SapphireSister]

She's a witch, get a life.

[tilthefirefades]

I think you can be a kind person and not be a Christian :shrug:

[Jondalar]

She's obviously a witch and a satanist. She makes regular ritual sacrifices to satan with her coven. Blah...

If a creative person would of created the Justice League 3000 years ago, we would all be worshipping Wonder Woman and Superman. Frankly, when I think of Christian or some other religions, I think of hypocrites.

[jellyman10]

9.) Either way, she clearly loved her Dad SO much - - - with all that love, with all that support - with him THERE ON TOUR with her - - is there actually a real possibility that she DIDN'T "stay Amber"?



What does 'stay Amber' mean?

[Jondalar]

What does 'stay Amber' mean?

happy I think, an old term

[Hawkeye]

Your thread makes ZERO sense Ghost Tracker, sorry. I don't see the correlation between half that Stevie and Stevie being a christian. And your interpetation of of the line in EO17 is just flat out wrong. Its about the moment her uncle died and she was alone in the hallway, she said this many times.

[Josh2003]

Holding a book? What does that have to do with anything? And I don't think I've EVER seen a picture of Stevie holding a book...

[1sttimelongtime]

If she were a Christian, wouldnt it be more obvious? Most christians I know are forever stuffing their religion down people's throats.

I fail to see how anything on that list can point to her being a christian.:shrug:

[CADreaming]

Frankly, when I think of Christian or some other religions, I think of hypocrites.

I have to say I think it's sad that these kind of generalizations are made and I'm sorry if the only experiences you've had with Christians left you with that impression.

If she were a Christian, wouldnt it be more obvious? Most christians I know are forever stuffing their religion down people's throats.

Not all Christians believe in "stuffing" their religion down other's throats, so if Stevie was a Christian it may not be so obvious.

[bluefox4000]

I know plenty of Christians who are AMAZING people and would never thing of loading me with their beliefs. Christians can be awesome you know. This is coming from an Atheist.

Mick

[APerfectLie]

She's a witch, get a life.

This. :D
10char

[mylittledemon]

I think she probably had Christian beliefs at one time, and probably still believes in "a God"... but I don't think she's a practicing Christian, no.

[Ghost_Tracker]

What does 'stay Amber' mean?

It's from an old demo of Stevie's called "Stay Amber," which is apparently
about her Dad's love for her. "Always stay Amber, remember to be kind
etc." Always be true to yourself, in other words. Towards the end of
the song she promises to "remember," which she rhymed beautifully
with "Amber." It's a beautiful song and worth doing a search for i.m.o.

[Ghost_Tracker]

Your thread makes ZERO sense Ghost Tracker, sorry. I don't see the correlation between half that Stevie and Stevie being a christian. .

Ahhh, but I didn't say it made sense; I said that I was curious what people might say. :lol:


And your interpetation of of the line in EO17 is just flat out wrong. Its about the moment her uncle died and she was alone in the hallway, she said this many times.

I think it's fair to say that no interpretation of a Stevie Nicks song is ever wrong, and Stevie has said a lot of things over the years. ;)

[WildHearted]

While I think it's true that most things in Stevie's songs are very open to interpretation... the 'no one left standing in the hall' line is one of the few that I don't really think is. It's pretty straightforward in its self, not to mention that she has specifically said what it was referencing and that was... her going down the hallway trying to find a family member after her uncle passed.

[Ghost_Tracker]

While I think it's true that most things in Stevie's songs are very open to interpretation... the 'no one left standing in the hall' line is one of the few that I don't really think is. It's pretty straightforward in its self, not to mention that she has specifically said what it was referencing and that was... her going down the hallway trying to find a family member after her uncle passed.

I've always felt there's a great deal of symbolism in it as well, though. :nod:

[vermicious knid]

11.) WHERE did Stevie and Lindsey meet, again???


At the Young Life Christian meeting at some random person's living room, yes. But Stevie pointedly said it was something she went to just to get out of the house and socialize.

[StandbackStevie]

Stevie was raised Christian believe she is raised Episcopalian and went to catholic schools but I do believe she is still believes in God on more of a Spiritual level and probably open to other believes too. I have read she was raised Epicopalian and went to Catholic Schools when she was younger.

[LikeAWillow]

i like weed.

I like you.

[olive]

if she was ''christian' . she would not be allowed to perform Satan's beautiful Music

[LukeA]

I have an admittedly crazy-wack0 late-night thought

Indeed. :rolleyes:

[greendaze5]

The only overtly religious reference I’m aware of that Stevie ever made was her letter to the troops (around 1991) which was printed in a military newsletter called ‘Stars and Stripes’ (or something like that).

She wrote something about clutching the cross around her neck (Stevie was really into cross jewelry at this time) and sending its ‘energy’ to the soldiers overseas. She also included the "For God so loved the world... etc., etc.” passage in the letter.

The letter was reprinted in some old fanzine I believe, and mentioned in one of the Ed Wincentsen bios.

[holidayroad]

Well, you certainly can be interested in stars/moons/mythology and be a Christian.

I live around plenty of people who would beg to differ with you on that point. They even think it's sinful that my husband owns a telescope!

[StandbackStevie]

from an interview from 1998 quote from Stevie about her religion


"I am religious," Nicks explains. I wasn't raised in any religion, because we were always moving when I was a kid and didn't get involved in any church. But I believe there've been angels with me constantly through these last 20 years, or I wouldn't be alive. I pray a lot. In the last few years I've asked for things from God, and he's given them to me. And there were things I thought were going to kill me, and he fixed them. I felt that because I was fat I wasn't talented anymore; I was destroying this gift God gave me and asked for help. Now I'm happy, even outside my music, and enjoying my life.



below is a link to the article from her official website The Nicksfix

http://rockalittle.com/billbrd3.htm

[WildHearted]

I live around plenty of people who would beg to differ with you on that point. They even think it's sinful that my husband owns a telescope!

Those are the extremists for you. As a Christian myself and growing up in a Christian household, there are plenty of people who that would bother, and there are also plenty of people who that would not bother. It just depends on the denomination or even the particular church or person.

[Hawkeye]

now that I think about it, if we count demos, there's more Angels in Stevie lyrics then the bible :laugh:

[~GoldDustWoman~]

I'm a Wiccan, and I hate to say it but i'm one of the ones that thinks she might be a Wiccan, or probably just really really spiritual cause of the crystal thing i saw an interview where she said something about she gets energy from crystal so she likes to keep them when she is given them or something. Plus I saw an interview where she said i'm not a witch, but i'm not a black magic witch...mmmmh...idk i'm one of the few I guess. I get the impression she's hiding it imo.

Anyway....getting into the symbolism...of holding books...Sister of the Moon anyone?

[StandbackStevie]

Those are the extremists for you. As a Christian myself and growing up in a Christian household, there are plenty of people who that would bother, and there are also plenty of people who that would not bother. It just depends on the denomination or even the particular church or person.

I agree with you Wildhearted also why not like stars and moons we all do i would think I am a gay catholic christian i do believe in God and do pray depends on how far you take your beliefs and you can love Jesus and still love stars moons and fantasy if your a good person with a great heart and kind and try to do the right thing and treat everyone with kindness and respect its all good to me God created the earth universe and all the things we see even the stars and moons God has created so why not enjoy life and enjoy the stars and moons and everything we have on this wonderful amazing earth we have all around us so enjoy the stars and moons. I am more spiritual person I do believe in God and Jesus Christ and love the stars,moons and cystals too so it what ever connects to you in a higher power I do believe in Psychic Knowledge and I have some psychic abilities and trust it whether you call the holy spirit or spirit guide. I am very open minded to religious beliefs. I do believe Stevie is Spiritual and believes in God as she states in above interview.

[olive]

she's an old hippy...nothing more nothing less

[LukeA]

I live around plenty of people who would beg to differ with you on that point. They even think it's sinful that my husband owns a telescope!

Hey, if we were meant to see what's in outer space, our eyes would be able to act as telescopes. Your busybody husband is spying on God's "me" time!!!

[CADreaming]

The only overtly religious reference I’m aware of that Stevie ever made was her letter to the troops (around 1991) which was printed in a military newsletter called ‘Stars and Stripes’ (or something like that).

She wrote something about clutching the cross around her neck (Stevie was really into cross jewelry at this time) and sending its ‘energy’ to the soldiers overseas. She also included the "For God so loved the world... etc., etc.” passage in the letter.

The letter was reprinted in some old fanzine I believe, and mentioned in one of the Ed Wincentsen bios.

That's right - I remember this now. She quoted John 3:16. I thought that was actually a pretty strong statement from her. Interesting.

[LukeA]

She quoted John 3:16. I thought that was actually a pretty strong statement from her.

I don't know if quoting the (arguably) most well known Bible verse equates as a pretty strong statement. Meaningful? Sure, but not necessarily evidence that "points" to Stevie being a practicing Christian.

[CADreaming]

I don't know if quoting the (arguably) most well known Bible verse equates as a pretty strong statement. Meaningful? Sure, but not necessarily evidence that "points" to Stevie being a practicing Christian.

The fact that it is the most well-known Bible verse does most certainly make it a strong statement because of the fact that it is most well-known due to it being used for conversion purposes. For someone to quote "For God so loved the world that He gave his only Son that whoever believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life" is definitely stating to the other person, here is hope. I find it hard to believe anyone who doesn't have some kind of Christian belief would quote that particular verse to use as a comfort to others. Things from Psalms, Proverbs, yes but not John 3:16.

It doesn't mean she's a Christian, per se. But, it obviously means something to her or she definitely wouldn't have used it as private as she is about her personal life and beliefs.

[David]

I believe Stevie was once interested in converting to Judaism.

[DavidMn]

I believe Stevie was once interested in converting to Judaism.I believe she was going to join her BFF Madonna in Kaballah.:laugh:

[holidayroad]

Hey, if we were meant to see what's in outer space, our eyes would be able to act as telescopes. Your busybody husband is spying on God's "me" time!!!

:laugh::laugh: Thanks for saying that!

[holidayroad]

I'm a Wiccan, and I hate to say it but i'm one of the ones that thinks she might be a Wiccan, or probably just really really spiritual cause of the crystal thing i saw an interview where she said something about she gets energy from crystal so she likes to keep them when she is given them or something. Plus I saw an interview where she said i'm not a witch, but i'm not a black magic witch...mmmmh...idk i'm one of the few I guess. I get the impression she's hiding it imo.

Anyway....getting into the symbolism...of holding books...Sister of the Moon anyone?

I'm a Wiccan, as well. It seems that Stevie leans somewhat toward Wicca (but according to her, not 'witchcraft'.) If she does not want people to think she's a 'witch', why does she do things to perpetuate it?
I mean, Stevie is giving people 'dream bottles' and crescent moon necklaces. She's worn triangle/pyramid necklaces and talked about the importance of the number 3 (as in the 'triple goddess'). She's singing songs about 'dancing around in a circle'. She's writing about Sisters of the Moon (a great name for a coven, by the way!) She even does 2 songs for a movie about witches. So...if she's someone who didn't want people thinking she's a witch or Wiccan.....why do these things?!

[~GoldDustWoman~]

I'm a Wiccan, as well. It seems that Stevie leans somewhat toward Wicca (but according to her, not 'witchcraft'.) If she does not want people to think she's a 'witch', why does she do things to perpetuate it?
I mean, Stevie is giving people 'dream bottles' and crescent moon necklaces. She's worn triangle/pyramid necklaces and talked about the importance of the number 3 (as in the 'triple goddess'). She's singing songs about 'dancing around in a circle'. She's writing about Sisters of the Moon (a great name for a coven, by the way!) She even does 2 songs for a movie about witches. So...if she's someone who didn't want people thinking she's a witch or Wiccan.....why do these things?!

EXACTLY! There is a difference between being a witch, and a wiccan, witchcraft is just witchcraft, Wicca is a nature based religion which has witchcraft in it in various rituals.

Btw -wave- Hi Holiday long time not talk! :D

[CADreaming]

I'm a Wiccan, as well. It seems that Stevie leans somewhat toward Wicca (but according to her, not 'witchcraft'.) If she does not want people to think she's a 'witch', why does she do things to perpetuate it?
I mean, Stevie is giving people 'dream bottles' and crescent moon necklaces. She's worn triangle/pyramid necklaces and talked about the importance of the number 3 (as in the 'triple goddess'). She's singing songs about 'dancing around in a circle'. She's writing about Sisters of the Moon (a great name for a coven, by the way!) She even does 2 songs for a movie about witches. So...if she's someone who didn't want people thinking she's a witch or Wiccan.....why do these things?!

Image ... but I personally think she mixes a lot of "religions" or spiritual philosophies together. Because, as I pointed out earlier why would she quote John 3:16. Same thing. I think she also has Buddhist leanings, for instance.

[carrie721]

I have an admittedly crazy-wack0 late-night thought that I'd like to bounce off of everyone just to hear what they say. First up, let me "qualify" it with this "caveat,"
I am NOT naive about her and nothing would surprise me, barely just short of
considering the possibility of there being a whole string of ex-boyfriends' bodies
hidden in the desert someplace. ;) But - - - Does anyone ever wonder if she made
the WHOLE thing up, in order to help people and guide them towards a "clean" life and spirituality?
Or to put it frankly - Is Stevie actually a Christian?

Before you answer, consider the following:

1.) The imagery she uses in her shows - for example, a dove flying through the air - clearly "borrowed" from Christianity and a very "pro-peace"image.

okay ...

2.) I challenge you to do a thorough google search for images of her and NOT find a picture of her holding a book.

i searched through 25 pages of google image results. i found pictures of carrie fisher, jazzy, and lindsay lohan, but not one picture of stevie holding a book. of course i'm not sure what the significance of that would be.

3.) She's CLEARLY heavily influenced by Charles Dickens, whose stories are based on his deep belief in Christianity and are extremely moral. Oscar Wilde is an admitted influence too - while certain churches may have their "differences" with him, his stories are, i.m.o., ultimately very moral.

charles dickens was a social critic and paid by the word. his wiki page includes the word "christianity" once, fwiw. stevie also cites joni as an influence, so ... ?

furthermore, christian =/= moral.

4.) Think of all the LIVES she's saved - both from convincing people to get off of drugs, and saving people from committing suicide. I can't COUNT how many people in the discussion boards and in Nicksfix chat have told me that they literally would have killed themselves were it not for Stevie.

and christians are the only people who get bummed when other people die. :laugh:

5.) Has there ever - ONCE - been a video tape or film made of Stevie having a SERIOUS knock-down drag out with Lindsey which was not officially sold by Warner Brothers for marketing purposes? How many times has Lindsey heard a story Stevie has told of their fighting, gotten a shocked look on his face and said something like "...If she SAYS so!"

non sequitur.

6.) How much has Stevie given to charity over the years? How many lives has the heart center she and her Dad built saved so far? She gave $10,000 to for tsunami relief the day after it happened.

i sent money to tsunami relief and support my local PBS station. i am not a christian.

7.) How many of her songs COULD be interpreted - if one chooses - to be "pro-Christianity?" I never thought of this until now but - "Then suddenly there was no
one standing in the hallway" - I've always thought, frankly, that it's about losing your virginity, but, taken a certain way . . . Well, it's certainly a song that's in favor of life as opposed to death. And how many references to angels does she have in her songs?
"It's as close - to being - in HEAVEN!" An anti-adultery song. Would you call "The Highwayman" an "immoral" song? Or a song filled with optimism that although things are complex, there will always be a positive outcome if one sticks with one's beliefs?

a common theme in most religions and five-cent self help books. and even if "kind of woman" were an anti-adultery song, stevie is an adulterer. is that "christian"?

8.) SO much partying in the rock scene in the 80s. WILD parties. With, frankly, some people who were extremely self-centered and money hungry. Where's the PHOTOS, people??? There's a grand total of *zero* of them, as everyone knows.

the 80's were hardly the age of omnipresent amateur paparazzi out to make a quick buck by selling a blurry photo to the tabloids. at any rate, i don't even know what you're trying to say here ... that the lack of pictures means she wasn't at the parties, or that the lack of pictures is somehow moral? either way ... nonsense.

9.) Either way, she clearly loved her Dad SO much - - - with all that love, with all that support - with him THERE ON TOUR with her - - is there actually a real possibility that she DIDN'T "stay Amber"?

what?

10.) How many fans and people who have worked with her consider Stevie to be a genuinely good, if imperfect, person? An honest one? A kind one? How many fans have said "she was so NICE to me" or "she was so HUMBLE!" ?

okay.

11.) WHERE did Stevie and Lindsey meet, again???

i went to HS with plenty of kids who would party all weekend and then go to AA and YL during the week. :shrug:

[PenguinHead]

i like weed.

lol...me too!:blob1: I have no use for organized religion. But if it works for you, go for it!

[APerfectLie]

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:eek: It all makes sense now.

[Ghost_Tracker]

I'm a Wiccan, as well. It seems that Stevie leans somewhat toward Wicca (but according to her, not 'witchcraft'.) If she does not want people to think she's a 'witch', why does she do things to perpetuate it?
I mean, Stevie is giving people 'dream bottles' and crescent moon necklaces. She's worn triangle/pyramid necklaces and talked about the importance of the number 3 (as in the 'triple goddess'). She's singing songs about 'dancing around in a circle'. She's writing about Sisters of the Moon (a great name for a coven, by the way!) She even does 2 songs for a movie about witches. So...if she's someone who didn't want people thinking she's a witch or Wiccan.....why do these things?!

Because she's a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a shawl. ;)

Or maybe Star Trek TNG repeats got boring after a while. :woohoo:

[Ghost_Tracker]

okay ...



i searched through 25 pages of google image results. i found pictures of carrie fisher, jazzy, and lindsay lohan, but not one picture of stevie holding a book. of course i'm not sure what the significance of that would be.



charles dickens was a social critic and paid by the word. his wiki page includes the word "christianity" once, fwiw. stevie also cites joni as an influence, so ... ?

furthermore, christian =/= moral.



and christians are the only people who get bummed when other people die. :laugh:



non sequitur.



i sent money to tsunami relief and support my local PBS station. i am not a christian.



a common theme in most religions and five-cent self help books. and even if "kind of woman" were an anti-adultery song, stevie is an adulterer. is that "christian"?



the 80's were hardly the age of omnipresent amateur paparazzi out to make a quick buck by selling a blurry photo to the tabloids. at any rate, i don't even know what you're trying to say here ... that the lack of pictures means she wasn't at the parties, or that the lack of pictures is somehow moral? either way ... nonsense.



what?



okay.



i went to HS with plenty of kids who would party all weekend and then go to AA and YL during the week. :shrug:

Have you ever considered becoming a Logic Professor? :thumbsup:
Anyway like I indicated, I wasn't going for a perfectly logical post;
was just curious what people would have to say about it. :angel:

[The Catdancer]

I think she believes in God. TISL: "You say, Dear God make it stop" and "We all believe in people that we think believe in God". She wouldn't write if she was an atheist.

[The Catdancer]

The fact that it is the most well-known Bible verse does most certainly make it a strong statement because of the fact that it is most well-known due to it being used for conversion purposes. For someone to quote "For God so loved the world that He gave his only Son that whoever believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life" is definitely stating to the other person, here is hope. I find it hard to believe anyone who doesn't have some kind of Christian belief would quote that particular verse to use as a comfort to others. Things from Psalms, Proverbs, yes but not John 3:16.

It doesn't mean she's a Christian, per se. But, it obviously means something to her or she definitely wouldn't have used it as private as she is about her personal life and beliefs.

I totally agree with you!

[Jondalar]

I can't believe this thread is still going strong. Who cares!

[HejiraNYC]

I think she believes in God. TISL: "You say, Dear God make it stop" and "We all believe in people that we think believe in God". She wouldn't write if she was an atheist.

If anything, I think that line is a bit cynical about religion. She seems to be saying "why do we automatically assume that someone who is religious is somehow above betrayal or deception?" In other words, piety does not equal morality. :thumbsup:

[holidayroad]

EXACTLY! There is a difference between being a witch, and a wiccan, witchcraft is just witchcraft, Wicca is a nature based religion which has witchcraft in it in various rituals.

Btw -wave- Hi Holiday long time not talk! :D

:wavey: Glad to see you too! Looking forward to hearing more about your soon-to-be 'beautiful child'!

[The Catdancer]

If anything, I think that line is a bit cynical about religion. She seems to be saying "why do we automatically assume that someone who is religious is somehow above betrayal or deception?" In other words, piety does not equal morality. :thumbsup:

Could be. Only she knows what she meant but that's the way it comes across to me.

[CADreaming]

I totally agree with you!

Hi Debbie! Great to "see" you again. :)

[tabruns]

I'm pretty sure Stevie is a Zoroasterianismist.

:P

[Ghost_Tracker]

Could be. Only she knows what she meant but that's the way it comes across to me.

Possible. But on the FLIP side I'm just thrilled that you're floating around again!!!




:wavey: :] :)

[Ghost_Tracker]

If anything, I think that line is a bit cynical about religion. She seems to be saying "why do we automatically assume that someone who is religious is somehow above betrayal or deception?" In other words, piety does not equal morality. :thumbsup:


i.m.o., that's a theme running in between the lines in the movie "Angels & Demons."
Hadn't thought of phrasing it that way until you said it but I think there's a "strong
argument" to be made that that's true. :)

[The Catdancer]

Hi Debbie! Great to "see" you again. :)

Great to be back!!!!! Long time no see.

[The Catdancer]

Possible. But on the FLIP side I'm just thrilled that you're floating around again!!!




:wavey: :] :)

The Cat is back!!!! Good to see you again :wavey:

[DashingDan]

Was Rebecca Alvarez a practicing Christian?

[DashingDan]

Shelly Yakus?

[galestreet]

the post. the cost. the post. the ghost. the cost.

[sorcerer999]

?
Or to put it frankly - Is Stevie actually a Christian?



I think the better question is, does it really matter whether she's a Christian or not?

I, myself, couldn't care less.

[gypsyrock]

i think you all reading to much into this! Stevie is a good person and has even said she has tried always to be a good person. That is after all what matters. She believes in God but also takes the good out of all religions.

[PenguinHead]

i like weed.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:Me too! Just like God, it takes me to a higher place!

Stevie's religion is herself: she's Stevienistic and practices Stevinism. She appropriates imagery from various sectors.

[Danielle]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:Me too! Just like God, it takes me to a higher place!

Stevie's religion is herself: she's Stevienistic and practices Stevinism. She appropriates imagery from various sectors.

And I am a proud member of the church of St. Nicks. :angel: :D

[StreetAngel86]

And I am a proud member of the church of St. Nicks. :angel: :D

count me in.

Stevie is a wiccan vampire buddhist.
her sainted holy-day is Nicksmas ... celebrated EVERY day of the year :)

as long as she's not some wanky scientologist brainwashed by Tom Cruise, she's ok :laugh:

[singertobe]

Well they don't just give the title of reverend to anyone do they?
At least I hope not. If someone gave Paris Hilton a license to minister it would be a sure sign that the world is about to end...:laugh:

[olive]

she's not pastafarian ?

[seeker007nmss]

Doesn't everyone own a WWSD (What would Stevie Do) necklace or bracelet? :shrug:

[singertobe]

she's not pastafarian ?

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[StreetAngel86]

Doesn't everyone own a WWSD (What would Stevie Do) necklace or bracelet? :shrug:

or a moon necklace :nod:
coven.

[Wing24]

8.) SO much partying in the rock scene in the 80s. WILD parties. With, frankly, some people who were extremely self-centered and money hungry. Where's the PHOTOS, people??? There's a grand total of *zero* of them, as everyone knows.





http://rockalittle.com/nicksfix003s.jpg

She was also a heavy smoker for many years and there are no pictures of her with a cig.

[lyonluv]

Ok, I just noticed this and didn't want to read all 6 pages of replies so I skipped a bunch in the middle that may have said this, but many religions embrace spirituality and kindness. I personally am a witch (I don't use the term Wicca for myself as I don't follow all of their creed) and believe in the principle that everything you put into the universe will come back to you three fold. I am open to hearing opinions of any religion and remaining respectful of them but request respect in return.
Some people just believe in being nice for the sake of being nice. Imagery is all about interpretation as well. Always holding a book for instance could be to show she's well read, it could be a magickal tome, or a Hindu Veda for all we know. How many covers have featured a crystal ball on them? (ok, it's 3... but still you get the point) And a dove is a universal symbol of peace in many many cultures.
And I am in no way meaning any disrespect to anyone at all so don't take what I'm typing as sarcasm or anything (I can come across as a raging bitch at times without realizing it so I warn people sometimes lol) :angel:

[StreetAngel86]

She was also a heavy smoker for many years and there are no pictures of her with a cig.

did you not see the Lithos she put out last week? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Wing24]

Yes, shortly after I posted they were released and I was shocked she didn't have them photoshop it out!

[louielouie2000]

Here's another. There are more, but I'm too tired to look for them at the moment.

http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images/SNicksBTM04.jpg

[PenguinHead]

She was also a heavy smoker for many years and there are no pictures of her with a cig.

Is there any evidence that she was heavy smoker? There is known evidence that she's smokes/smoked pot. She may have smoked cigarette occasionally, or went through a passing phase with it. That doesn't maker her a heavy smoker.

[WildHearted]

Is there any evidence that she was heavy smoker? There is known evidence that she's smokes/smoked pot. She may have smoked cigarette occasionally, or went through a brief smoking phase, but that doesn't mean she was a heavy smoker.

She said she was - for ten years. I can't remember the actual number, but after she quit, she self-reported the amount she used to smoke per day, and it was quite a bit.

[PenguinHead]

Here's another. There are more, but I'm too tired to look for them at the moment.

http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images/SNicksBTM04.jpg

Could that be a joint?

[Japhry]

Here's another. There are more, but I'm too tired to look for them at the moment.

http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images/SNicksBTM04.jpg

That looks like an outtake from the "Little Lies" video shoot. Great Shot.

[Aussie W/Heart]

She said she was - for ten years. I can't remember the actual number, but after she quit, she self-reported the amount she used to smoke per day, and it was quite a bit.

Im pretty sure she mentioned in a interview she smoked 40 Kool menthols a day 2 pkts, also she enjoyed smoking some hash before hitting the stage:D back in the day.

[PenguinHead]

Im pretty sure she mentioned in a interview she smoked 40 Kool menthols a day 2 pkts, also she enjoyed smoking some hash before hitting the stage:D back in the day.

I wouldn't seriously take that as fact; she tends to exaggerate just about everything, especially when it comes to numbers/quantities. She's a genuine drama queen.

[Wing24]

I wouldn't seriously take that as fact; she tends to exaggerate just about everything, especially when it comes to numbers/quantities. She's a genuine drama queen.

I don't think it's an exaggeration at all. In fact I think she still smokes. It's pretty evident in her voice (singing AND speaking), which is fine and her choice. I love her weathered voice.

[PenguinHead]

I don't think it's an exaggeration at all. In fact I think she still smokes. It's pretty evident in her voice (singing AND speaking), which is fine and her choice. I love her weathered voice.

Likely that she still tokes, but not cigarettes. Her age is certainly a large factor in the change of her voice.