"Smile At You" ~ 1999 Info

[mikebise]

Hey, I knew I had seen "Smile At You" listed as newly recorded in 1999 before, and now I found it! There it is, right in the middle of other songs that were demoed for Trouble In Shangri-la, and possibly fully-recorded. From the U.S. Copyright Office:

[ 177 ] Fall from grace. PAu002438117 1999
[ 178 ] Annabel Lee. PAu002438116 1999
[ 179 ] Smile at you. PAu002438115 1999
[ 180 ] Planets of the universe. PAu002438114 1999
[ 181 ] Not make believe. PAu002419370 1999
[ 182 ] Thrown down. PAu002419366 1999
[ 183 ] Bombay sapphire. PAu002419365 1999

Details:

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu002438115 / 1999-08-31
Title: Smile at you.
Description: Sound cassette + lyrics sheet.
Copyright Claimant: Welsh Witch Music
Date of Creation: 1977
Authorship on Application: words & music: Stevie Nicks.
Names: Nicks, Stevie
Welsh Witch Music

Stevie said she pulled off a few finished songs from TISL in order to give to FM for their new album. And we know that "Thrown Down" was fully-recorded for TISL, not just a demo. So, perhaps full TISL versions of "Smile At You" and "Not Make Believe" are IN THE VAULT.

I wonder how much BETTER the TISL version would have been than LB's abortion version on Say You Will (although I like Stevie's vocals on it).

Oh, and look: "Bombay Sapphire" doesn't have an "s" at the end. It is about the gin, Stevie! You liar... ;)

[mikebise]

[ 199 ] You're not the one. PAu002637630 2002
[ 200 ] Silver girl. PAu002637629 2002
[ 201 ] Say you will. PAu002637628 2002
[ 202 ] Illume. PAu002637627 2002
[ 203 ] Destiny rules. PAu002637626 2002
[ 204 ] That made me stronger. PAu002578965 2001
[ 205 ] In the darkness. PAu002509624 2000
[ 206 ] My heart. PAu002509623 2000
[ 207 ] I miss you / w Stevie Nicks ; m Rick Nowels. PAu002485002 2000
[ 208 ] Love changes. PAu002438118 1999

[mikebise]

OMFG!!!! "Blue Water" re-submitted in 1997!???!!!!!! Stevie's original submission is in 1978, and the copyright had not lapsed, and here is "Blue Water" in the middle of a bunch of new songs she wrote in the Late 1990s!

[ 603 ] Goodbye, baby. PAu002213939 1997
[ 604 ] Blue water. PAu002213938 1997
[ 605 ] Have no heart. PAu002213937 1997
[ 606 ] City of hope. PAu002213936 1997
[ 607 ] Touched by an angel. PAu002213935 1997
[ 608 ] Tear it down. PAu002213934 1997
[ 609 ] Trouble in Shangri-La. PAu002213933 1997

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu002213938 / 1997-02-11
Title: Blue water.
Description: Sound cassette + lyrics sheets.
Notes: Words & music.
Copyright Claimant: Stephanie Nicks
Date of Creation: 1978
Names: Nicks, Stephanie

Could Stevie have been wanting "Blue Water" to be a vault track for her first album for Reprise, which she was definitely working on in Early 1997? Stevie did new demos for "Planets Of The Universe" circa 1997 as well, so this could have been a new "Blue Water"!

[mikebise]

[ 632 ] Hard advice. PAu002213942 1997
[ 633 ] Love is. PAu002213941 1997
[ 634 ] Space needle. PAu002213940 1997

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu002213940 / 1997-02-11
Title: Space needle.
Description: Sound cassette + lyrics sheets.
Notes: Words & music.
Copyright Claimant: Stephanie Nicks
Date of Creation: 1996

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu002213934 / 1997-02-11
Title: Tear it down.
Description: Sound cassette + lyrics sheets.
Notes: Words & music.
Copyright Claimant: Stephanie Nicks
Date of Creation: 1995

Prolific Stevie!!!

[vermicious knid]

I wonder how much BETTER the TISL version would have been than LB's abortion version on Say You Will

:laugh:

And people say Stevie was dismissive and unappreciative of his work. But maybe this was her true opinion she was keeping to herself.

[mikebise]

Submitted the same date as many of these recordings is one called "Two Of Us", written by Stevie & Rick Nowells. So, it's not "Two Kinds Of Love", which was co-written with Rupert Hine.

Type of Work: Recorded Document
Document Number: V3372P397
Date of Recordation: 1997-02-21
Entire Copyright Document: V3372P397-405
Title: The two of us / Co-writer: Stevie Nicks.

"Monica" submitted in 2000, final title as "Everybody Finds Out":

Type of Work: Recorded Document
Document Number: V3456D553
Date of Recordation: 2000-08-17
Entire Copyright Document: V3456 D553 P1-12
Title: Monica / Co-composer: Stevie Nicks.

Here's "The Dance" (known to some as "Old Fashioned") ~

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu001633913 / 1992-04-27
Title: The dance.
Copyright Claimant: Stevie Nicks & Michael Campbell
Date of Creation: 1992
Authorship on Application: words: Stevie Nicks; music: Michael Campbell.

But I'm trying to stick with Stevie's new writings from 1995 and up!

[mikebise]

Hey! Mike Campbell ALSO wrote the music for "The Mix Down"!!!!!! Possibly on In Your Dreams???

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu001633909 / 1992-04-27
Title: Mixdown.
Copyright Claimant: Stevie Nicks & Michael Campbell
Date of Creation: 1992
Authorship on Application: words: Stevie Nicks; music: Michael Campbell.

Stevie must have considered "Running Through The Garden" for Street Angel, too:

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu001633911 / 1992-04-27
Title: Running thru the garden.
Copyright Claimant: Stevie Nicks, Gary Nicholson & Ray Kennedy
Date of Creation: 1992
Authorship on Application: words: Stevie Nicks; music: Gary Nicholson & Ray Kennedy.

"Street Angel" was added that day, too:

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu001633914 / 1992-04-27
Title: Sweet Street angel.
Copyright Claimant: Stevie Nicks
Date of Creation: 1992
Authorship on Application: words & music: Stevie Nicks.
Names: Nicks, Stevie

[mikebise]

Looks like Stevie may have been thinking about "The Charmed Ones" for The Other Side Of The Mirror:

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu001078748 / 1988-03-30
Title: The Charmed ones : The City of hope song / by Stevie Nicks, Jeff Piergeorge, Dwayne Russell.
Description: 1 sound cassette.
Copyright Claimant: Jeff Piergeorge & Earl Dwayne Russell
Date of Creation: 1986
Authorship on Application: music: Jeff Piergeorge & Earl Dwayne Russell; lyrics & music: Stevie Nicks.

[mikebise]

"Silver Girl" in early 2002, written in 2001:

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu002637629 / 2002-02-26
Title: Silver girl.
Description: Compact disc + lyrics sheets.
Copyright Claimant: Welsh Witch Music
Date of Creation: 2001
Authorship on Application: words & music: Stevie Nicks.
Names: Nicks, Stevie
Welsh Witch Music

[mikebise]

"Listen To The Rain", with Jon Bon Jovi as one of the co-writers:

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu001989920 / 1995-08-09
Supplement to: PAu001511450 / 1991
Title: Listen to the rain. By Stephanie Nicks, Jon Bon Jovi, Scott Craggo & Monroe Jones.
Copyright Claimant: Stevie Nicks, Scott Crago & Monroe Jones (on original appl.: Stevie Nicks, Scott Crago, Monroe Jones & Jon Bon Jovi)
Authorship on Application: Stephanie Nicks, Scott Craggo & Monroe Jones (on original appl.: Stephanie Nicks, Jon Bon Jovi, Scott Craggo & Monroe Jones)
Supplement to Registration: PAu 1-511-450, 1991

[CADreaming]

All great info. But, in the case of Blue Water, it could have been just time to renew the copyright?

PS - Lindsey is an excellent producer... :xoxo:

[mikebise]

And here's "The Charmed Ones"/"City Of Hope" resurrected a few weeks earlier in 1997:

[ 49 ] Have no heart. PAu002213937 1997
[ 50 ] City of hope. PAu002213936 1997
[ 51 ] Touched by an angel. PAu002213935 1997
[ 52 ] Tear it down. PAu002213934 1997
[ 53 ] Trouble in Shangri-La. PAu002213933 1997
[ 54 ] Sweet girl. PAu002183445 1997

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu002213936 / 1997-02-11
Title: City of hope.
Description: Sound cassette + lyrics sheet.
Notes: Words & music.
Copyright Claimant: Stephanie Nicks
Date of Creation: 1982

[mikebise]

Stevie did two new demos for "Planets Of The Universe" in the Late 1990s (as well as "Chanel, Chanel", written only in 1984), so I'm just wondering if she did a new 1996/1997 demo for "Blue Water" and maybe "The Charmed Ones (Song For The City Of Hope)" as well. It was only written 15 years earlier in 1982.

Type of Work: Recorded Document
Document Number: V3317P484
Date of Recordation: 1996-12-30
Entire Copyright Document: V3317P484-492
Title: The two of us / Co-writer: Stevie Nicks.

[mikebise]

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu000023528 / 1978-05-12
Title: Maker of the birds / writer [i.e. words and music] Stevie Nicks.
Description: on 1 sound tape reel : 7 1/2 ips, 1/2 track ; 5 in.
Notes: (With Frustrated love & Forest of the black roses)
Copyright Claimant: Screen Gems-E M I Music, Inc. & Welsh Witch Music
Date of Creation: 1978

LOOK:

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu000062753 / 1978-05-25
Title: Maker of the birds / words & music by Stevie Nicks.
Description: 4 p.
Copyright Claimant: Screen Gems-E M I Music, Inc. & Welsh Witch Music
Date of Creation: 1978
Previous Registration: Prev. reg. 1978, PAu 23-528.
Basis of Claim: New Matter: additional lyrics.

[HejiraNYC]

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu000023528 / 1978-05-12
Title: Maker of the birds / writer [i.e. words and music] Stevie Nicks.
Description: on 1 sound tape reel : 7 1/2 ips, 1/2 track ; 5 in.
Notes: (With Frustrated love & Forest of the black roses)
Copyright Claimant: Screen Gems-E M I Music, Inc. & Welsh Witch Music
Date of Creation: 1978

LOOK:

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu000062753 / 1978-05-25
Title: Maker of the birds / words & music by Stevie Nicks.
Description: 4 p.
Copyright Claimant: Screen Gems-E M I Music, Inc. & Welsh Witch Music
Date of Creation: 1978
Previous Registration: Prev. reg. 1978, PAu 23-528.
Basis of Claim: New Matter: additional lyrics.


I think we can lay to rest any notion that this was titled "Mistaken Love." It's "Frustrated Love," people!

[mikebise]

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu002509623 / 2000-06-15
Title: My heart.
Description: Sound cassette + lyrics sheets.
Copyright Claimant: Welsh Witch Music, Wild Gator Music
Date of Creation: 2000
Authorship on Application: words: Stevie Nicks; music: Mike Campbell.
Names: Nicks, Stevie
Campbell, Mike
Welsh Witch Music
Wild Gator Music

[mikebise]

I think we can lay to rest any notion that this was titled "Mistaken Love." It's "Frustrated Love," people!

:) And NOT "Three Birds Of Rhiannon"!!!

[mikebise]

No Poe, Stevie?

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu002438116 / 1999-08-31
Title: Annabel Lee.
Description: Sound cassette + lyrics sheet.
Copyright Claimant: Welsh Witch Music
Date of Creation: 1999
Authorship on Application: words & music: Stevie Nicks.
Names: Nicks, Stevie
Welsh Witch Music

Here's "Planets Of The Universe", which we know there are at least two demos of for the TISL sessions:

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu002438114 / 1999-08-31
Title: Planets of the universe.
Description: Sound cassette + lyrics sheet.
Copyright Claimant: Welsh Witch Music
Date of Creation: 1979
Authorship on Application: words & music: Stevie Nicks.
Names: Nicks, Stevie

Just wondering if "Blue Water" had resurfaced in 1997. What a cool idea!
Welsh Witch Music

[Christopher]

Hey! Mike Campbell ALSO wrote the music for "The Mix Down"!!!!!! Possibly on In Your Dreams???

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu001633909 / 1992-04-27
Title: Mixdown.
Copyright Claimant: Stevie Nicks & Michael Campbell
Date of Creation: 1992
Authorship on Application: words: Stevie Nicks; music: Michael Campbell.


Great information Mike, You've been a busy little bee! I've always loved "Mixdown" :nod:, I would love to see her dust it off, cause I know they can make it better. Her klonopin-hazed era vocal on the demo/outtake we have is quite a distraction to an otherwise good song, that builds and builds. I always thought Mixdown was recorded earlier for possible inclusion on Timespace. Also very interesting indeed that Stevie considered Smile At You and possibly recorded it for TISL, what a missed opportunity. And "Running Through The Garden" would have been wonderful on Street Angel. All The possibilities! It sorta drives you crazy as a fan. And "The Charmed Ones" Ugh!!!!! So painful to see all these great songs still left unreleased.

Question: How many years must elapse before a songwriter has to resubmit and update the registration/copyright?

[SapphireSister]

Looks like Stevie may have been thinking about "The Charmed Ones" for The Other Side Of The Mirror:

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu001078748 / 1988-03-30
Title: The Charmed ones : The City of hope song / by Stevie Nicks, Jeff Piergeorge, Dwayne Russell.
Description: 1 sound cassette.
Copyright Claimant: Jeff Piergeorge & Earl Dwayne Russell
Date of Creation: 1986
Authorship on Application: music: Jeff Piergeorge & Earl Dwayne Russell; lyrics & music: Stevie Nicks.
OMG I would die....only one of my top 5 demos of all time. I can't believe it could have been on TSOTM. Maybe it's the vault song on In Your Dreams?? O.k. I'm dreaming...

[mikebise]

Christopher, I agree about the Klonopin-soaked vocals on "The Mixdown", although I do like how Stevie tries really hard at the break part, where she's belting:

"Well, it's hard enough just to stand out!
And it's easy enough just to give it up!"
Especially with Stevie overdubbing herself so much on there, one of her going "Give it all up!"!!! :)

I think Stevie handled the rockers very well on Street Angel, and "Running Through The Garden" could've really shined there, too!

My mind is still reeling, thinking about a 1996/1997 "Blue Water" in there along with "Sweet Girl", "Touched By An Angel" and "Trouble In Shangri-la"...

"The Mixdown" (Words by Stevie Nicks; Music by Mike Campbell)

Well, I'll beat you in the long run
I'll beat you to the mountain
I'll beat you at your own game
And you'll never be the same
I'll be there when I'm not there
And I'll be gone when you think that I'm with you
Two can play at this game
But one can win
So go on, throw the dice, then
Go on, have a go
Well, I remember when it was everything

Runnin' 'round in circles
"Oh, well, it sounds like she's in a circus"
Said the grandmother
"Something like that" said the father
And I'll be gone when you think I'm there
War is war and fair is fair
"What's fair anymore?" she says
Nothing's fair in love and war

Mix down, live it up
It's hard enough just to stand out
It's easy enough just to give it all up
Mix down, live it up
Well, it's hard enough just to stand out
And it's easy enough just to give it up

Well, I'll beat you in the long run
I'll beat you to the mountain
Then I'll beat you at your own game
And I know that you'll never be the same
I'll be there when I'm not there
I'll be gone when you think that I'm with you
Two can play at this game
But only one can win
Well, go on, throw the dice, then
Go on, have a go
I remember when it was everything

So I'll be gone when you think I'm there
War is war, and fair is fair
What's fair anymore?
Nothing is fair in love and war
Mix down, live it up!
Well, it's hard enough just to stand out!
And it's easy enough just to give it up!

Oh, well, I'll beat you in the long run
And then I'll beat you to the mountain
Well, I'll beat you at your own game
And you'll never be the same
Oh, baby, I'll be there when I'm not there
And I'll be gone when you think that I'm with you
Two can play at this game, honey
But only one can win
Go on, throw the dice, then
Go on, have a go...
I remember when you never said "No..."

[KarmaContestant]

I like that Stevie might have orignially intended to recapture a bit of the old Rock A Little days with Street Angel - Thousand Days, Love Is Like A River, Greta, I Call You Missing, Mirror Mirror as a B-Side - and now the possibility that Running Through The Garden was considered and *maybe* even recorded for inclusion.

That could have been an amazing album indeed, with the right producer and Stevie in the right frame of mind.

[mikebise]

"Street Angel" could have been the "Rock A Little"-esque weird track on the album, yeah! The sands of time and all that...

[ 219 ] I call you missing. PAu001730343 1993
[ 220 ] Greta. PAu001730341 1993
[ 221 ] Paper doll. PAu001689008 1992
[ 222 ] Blue denim. PAu001633915 1992
[ 223 ] Sweet Street angel. PAu001633914 1992
[ 224 ] Dance. PAu001633913 1992
[ 225 ] Thousand days. PAu001633912 1992
[ 226 ] Running thru the garden. PAu001633911 1992
[ 227 ] Mirror, mirror. PAu001633910 1992
[ 228 ] Mixdown. PAu001633909 1992

On here, it shows that Jeremy Stacey is added to co-writing the music of "You're Not The One" with Sheryl, which the original submission does not have:

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu002648604 / 2002-05-03
Supplement to: PAu002637630 / 2002
Title: You’re not the one. By Stevie Nicks, Sheryl Crow.
Copyright Claimant: It’s Mute Songs, Ltd., Welsh Witch Music, Old Crow Music (on original appl.: Welsh Witch Music, Old Crow Music) (additional claimant)
Authorship on Application: words & music: Jeremy Stacey; words: Stevie Nicks; music: Sheryl Crow (on original appl.: words: Stevie Nicks; music: Sheryl Crow)
Supplement to Registration: PAu 2-637-630, 2002
Variant title: You’re not the one.


Here's the original, which shows it was written in 2001:

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu002637630 / 2002-02-26
Supplemented by: PAu002648604 / 2002-05-03
Title: You’re not the one.
Description: Compact disc + lyrics sheets.
Copyright Claimant: Welsh Witch Music, Old Crow Music
Date of Creation: 2001
Authorship on Application: words: Stevie Nicks; music: Sheryl Crow.
Copyright Note: See also You’re not the one; Reg. 3May02; PAu 2-648-604
Names: Nicks, Stevie
Crow, Sheryl
Welsh Witch Music
Old Crow Music

[mikebise]

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu002213942 / 1997-05-21
Title: Hard advice.
Description: Sound cassette + lyrics sheets.
Notes: Words & music.
Copyright Claimant: Stephanie Nicks
Date of Creation: 1995

People think this must be "That Made Me Stronger".

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu002213935 / 1997-08-14
Title: Touched by an angel.
Description: Sound cassette + lyrics sheets.
Notes: Words & music.
Copyright Claimant: Stephanie Nicks
Date of Creation: 1996

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu002213940 / 1997-02-11
Title: Space needle.
Description: Sound cassette + lyrics sheets.
Notes: Words & music.
Copyright Claimant: Stephanie Nicks
Date of Creation: 1996

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu002213939 / 1997-02-11
Title: Goodbye, baby.
Description: Sound cassette + lyrics sheets.
Notes: Words & music.
Copyright Claimant: Stephanie Nicks
Date of Creation: 1976

"Rock A Little" was written in 1981:

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu000396387 / 1982-04-28
Title: Rock a little / by Stephanie Nicks a.k.a. Stevie Nicks.
Description: 7 p.
Copyright Claimant: Welsh Witch Music
Date of Creation: 1981
Authorship on Application: words & music: Stephanie Nicks a.k.a. Stevie Nicks.

[mikebise]

This has been posted before, but here are a batch the office dated 02/26/1987 with a 03/31/1986 submission date. I'm wondering if they were a bunch of demos Stevie wanted copyrighted for the sound to try and stop bootleggers?

List of titles:
001 And the days go by.

002 Arabesque.

003 Baby doll.

004 Blue water.

005 Bubbles and balloons.

006 Can never be sold.

007 Candlebright.

008 Can't buy.

009 Castaway.

010 Cathouse blues.

011 Cecilia.

012 China doll.

013 Dreamer.

014 Dreamers lose, others win.

015 Finders keepers.

016 For John.

017 Found another love.

018 Gemini amber.

019 The Glass blower.

020 Goldfish and ladybug.

021 Grandfather's song.

022 I was too young.

023 If you were my love.

024 King and queen here.

025 Lady.

026 Lady from the mountains.

027 Mistaken love.

028 No light.

029 Planets of the universe.

030 The Race has run.

031 Sanctuary.

032 Secret love.

033 Sing for the things money can't buy.

034 Smile at you.

035 Spinning wheels.

036 Standing still.

037 Starshine.

038 Taken my time.

039 24 carat gold.

040 Waltzing through stardom.

041 Watch chain.

042 Water witch.

043 When shall we love?

044 Without you.

045 You never promised me a rose garden.

[mikebise]

There's "Those Bells" again...


Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu000288282 / 1981-02-23
Title: Sorcerer.
Description: on 1 sound cassette.
Notes: (With Those bells et al.).
Title from container insert.
Copyright Claimant: Stephanie Nicks
Date of Creation: 1972
Authorship on Application: words & music: Stephanie Nicks.
Names: Nicks, Stephanie

And, for those who think Stevie didn't write "Without You" ~

Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu000288277 / 1981-02-23
Title: Without you.
Description: on 1 sound cassette.
Notes: (With Goodby [sic] baby et al.)
Copyright Claimant: Stephanie Nicks
Date of Creation: 1970
Authorship on Application: words & music: Stephanie Nicks.
Names: Nicks, Stephanie

[mikebise]

"Tear It Down" and "Hard Advice" can't both be "That Made Me Stronger" ~


Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu002213934 / 1997-02-11
Title: Tear it down.
Description: Sound cassette + lyrics sheets.
Notes: Words & music.
Copyright Claimant: Stephanie Nicks
Date of Creation: 1995
Names: Nicks, Stephanie

I wonder what this one sounds like!!!!

[mikebise]

Here's a piece of artwork from 1995, as Stevie was getting her mojo back:

Type of Work: Visual Material
Registration Number / Date: VAu000336620 / 1995-04-21
Title: The seduction of man.
Description: Drawing.
Copyright Claimant: Stephanie Nicks, 1948-
Date of Creation: 1995
Names: Nicks, Stephanie, 1948-

Cool title!

[mikebise]

Here's "Goodbye Baby" ("The Tower") submitted in 1982 with a bunch of recordings for The Wild Heart:

[ 154 ] Wild heart / by Stephanie Nicks a.k.a. Stevie Nicks. PAu000396391 1982
[ 155 ] Violet and blue / by Stephanie Nicks a.k.a. Stevie Nicks. PAu000396390 1982
[ 156 ] Tower / by Stephanie Nicks a.k.a. Stevie Nicks. PAu000396389 1982
[ 157 ] Sable on blond / by Stephanie Nicks a.k.a. Stevie Nicks. PAu000396388 1982
[ 158 ] Rock a little / by Stephanie Nicks a.k.a. Stevie Nicks. PAu000396387 1982
[ 159 ] If anyone falls in love / words by Stephanie Nicks a.k.a. Stevie Nicks ; music by Sandy Stewart. PAu000396386 1982
[ 160 ] Gate and garden / by Stephanie Nicks a.k.a. Stevie Nicks. PAu000396385 1982

[Christopher]

So Mike, In your quest to find possible vault songs that Stevie may have included for IYD, as well as uncover all sorts of interesting timelines. Have no newly submitted copyrights shown up in 2010, 2011? with Dave Stewart and other possible collaborators??

Also I haven't seen anyone here point out that "In Your Dreams" could be the 1st Stevie solo album to have Stevie write or co-write every single song on the whole record! That would be HUGE. :thumbsup:

[mikebise]

None! The dates end in 2009 as far as being searchable online. Believe me, I've looked! LOL!! "The Ghosts Are Gone", "The Ghost Is Gone", "Italian Summer", all of them ~ nothing Stevie-related on the U.S. Copyright Office's site! :(

The alternate, never-realized timelines are something that fascinate me! I think it goes beyond Stevie saying, "Oh, it's February 1997, and I'm submitting a batch of demos of songs I've written in the last two years. Hmm, let me dig out some OLD 1977 & 1978 cassettes of 'Blue Water' and 'Goodbye Baby' and toss them in the bag, too, while I'm at it! No reason!"

I'm joking, but it is something I find FUN to speculate about. No hard science or proof, just fun.

[CADreaming]

Question: How many years must elapse before a songwriter has to resubmit and update the registration/copyright?

Works prior to 1978 may require renewal. Also, it depends on publishing. If the songs have been changed, altered or a new version recorded, then yes a copyright renewal is required.

I would question the date of original copyright (or actual date written) on several of Stevie's songs. For example, Without You (early '70's) submitted on the tape with Goodbye Baby....

I would assume Stevie's lawyers are all about making sure her songs do not become public domain.

[mikebise]

But those songs have separate "Date Of Creation" years, even if on the same tape. Each song has its own creation date, not lumped together. Date of submission may be the same (Feb. 1997), but it lists "Touched By An Angel" as date of creation in 1996 and "Trouble In Shangri-la" as 1995.

[CADreaming]

But those songs have separate "Date Of Creation" years, even if on the same tape. Each song has its own creation date, not lumped together. Date of submission may be the same (Feb. 1997), but it lists "Touched By An Angel" as date of creation in 1996 and "Trouble In Shangri-la" as 1995.

Mike, the date of creation according to the copyright standards is the date it was laid down, not necessarily the date written. I would love to believe we have exact time frames but I can't, considering Stevie has journals and journals full of poems, lyrics, etc. That may not be crafted into some kind of an actual song format for years later....

[Sanne2]

This has been posted before, but here are a batch the office dated 02/26/1987 with a 03/31/1986 submission date. I'm wondering if they were a bunch of demos Stevie wanted copyrighted for the sound to try and stop bootleggers?

List of titles:
001 And the days go by.

002 Arabesque.

006 Can never be sold.

008 Can't buy.

013 Dreamer.

014 Dreamers lose, others win.

015 Finders keepers.

016 For John.

017 Found another love.

019 The Glass blower.

021 Grandfather's song.

022 I was too young.

024 King and queen here.

025 Lady.

036 Standing still.

038 Taken my time.

040 Waltzing through stardom.

042 Water witch.

043 When shall we love?


Aargh, the agony! So many promising song titles,of possibly great songs that we're (probably) never going to hear!

[sorcerer999]

Aargh, the agony! So many promising song titles,of possibly great songs that we're (probably) never going to hear!

Agreed! I'd love to hear "Water Witch" and "The Glass Blower" just based on the titles alone.

[APerfectLie]

Hmm, all the 1997 songs look like songs she was planning on putting on TISL, but then got interrupted with Enchanted. Now that I know she still remembers City of Hope, I can still have hope she will record it some day! :blob2:

[AliceLover]

Hmm, all the 1997 songs look like songs she was planning on putting on TISL, but then got interrupted with Enchanted. Now that I know she still remembers City of Hope, I can still have hope she will record it some day! :blob2:

I know, right! I was hoping and praying that City of Hope and China Doll would make this album!

[SapphireSister]

I know, right! I was hoping and praying that City of Hope and China Doll would make this album!
CITY OF HOPE, YES!

[StreetAngel86]

I like that Stevie might have orignially intended to recapture a bit of the old Rock A Little days with Street Angel - Thousand Days, Love Is Like A River, Greta, I Call You Missing, Mirror Mirror as a B-Side - and now the possibility that Running Through The Garden was considered and *maybe* even recorded for inclusion.

That could have been an amazing album indeed, with the right producer and Stevie in the right frame of mind.


i am legit depressed about this right now.
I was always mind!blown at RTTG being on RAL
and i love the SYW version
but aaaaaaaaaaaall the cut @#$) from Street Angel is bloody MARVELLOUS
the Mirror outtake and
and the RAL version of Lady from the Mountain and Thousand Days **pulls hair out**

so there is POTENTIALLY a Street Angel recording of RttG???????????

i need a lie down :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: