Dating Preferences (Relocated Thread)

[skcin]

But can't rock stars get HOTT, FREE, YOUNG BOOTY? That's my point. Why would they sleep with her, if they had 17yo hotties throwing themselves at them?

Hey, I didn't make Valerie fat. Ben and Jerry's did!;)

Maybe the hot ones weren't around that night. :shrug: Are you telling me that if you were young & drunk & flying high, you'd have the good (sober)sense to turn a bitch down if she offers? Again, I think it's gross too but why put down the woman because she's not what you consider beautiful? Say what you will, but Connie became famous & well liked by many bands in that era. She knew what she was doing & got what she wanted.

And I'm sure Val's weight gain had a little bit to do with her ex. Maybe just a little. Not blaming him, but I'm sure life wasn't easy with Eddie for a husband.

And who made you fat, btw?

[CADreaming]

So this Grand Funk Railroad song came on the other day....not sure if this has been mentioned yet but I remembered this thread...never knew!

"Out on the road for forty days
Last night in Little Rock, put me in a haze
Sweet, sweet Connie was doin' her act
She had the whole show and that's a natural fact"

[HomerMcvie]

And I'm sure Val's weight gain had a little bit to do with her ex. Maybe just a little. Not blaming him, but I'm sure life wasn't easy with Eddie for a husband.

And who made you fat, btw?

I don't know much of their marital details.

Ronald McDonald. I blame him. Him, and general apathy, on my part. And for the past 17 months, I've only purchased maybe 4 salads from Ronald. Nothing else. No bread. No beef. Vegetables, are your friend.

[HejiraNYC]

But can't rock stars get HOTT, FREE, YOUNG BOOTY? That's my point. Why would they sleep with her, if they had 17yo hotties throwing themselves at them?

Hey, I didn't make Valerie fat. Ben and Jerry's did!;)

Sure, she is/wasn't much to look at, but, good Lawd, the girl was up for doing anything. I suspect there isn't an act, fluid, position or orifice that she hasn't fully explored. Seventeen-year-old hotties may be nice to look at, but chances are they are just going to lie there like corpses.

[MissLadyLoki]

I don't know much of their marital details.

Ronald McDonald. I blame him. Him, and general apathy, on my part. And for the past 17 months, I've only purchased maybe 4 salads from Ronald. Nothing else. No bread. No beef. Vegetables, are your friend.

I haven't been to Mickey D's in years. Hell, the last time I ate out was in December and it was for the last Diner Run following the Sci Fi Forum's weekly meetings for the fall semester (for me and everyone else, it's more than just eating, it's a social experience where you chat and have fun with friends every week)

[HomerMcvie]

Sure, she is/wasn't much to look at, but, good Lawd, the girl was up for doing anything. I suspect there isn't an act, fluid, position or orifice that she hasn't fully explored. Seventeen-year-old hotties may be nice to look at, but chances are they are just going to lie there like corpses.

Yeah, but I don't find many 40yo's, attractive(not all, though). So I split the difference. Oddly, 22yo's seem to have a thing for me. Not 21. 22. Always 22. It's strange. I'm currently dating a 23yo(who was 22, when we first dated).

And say what you will...if I'm with a 40yo, little Homer isn't always.....interested.:distress: If I'm with a hottie, little Homer(okay, trying to stay creative, within our "warning")....transforms! ;):D:]

[HomerMcvie]

I haven't been to Mickey D's in years. Hell, the last time I ate out was in December and it was for the last Diner Run following the Sci Fi Forum's weekly meetings for the fall semester (for me and everyone else, it's more than just eating, it's a social experience where you chat and have fun with friends every week)

Well, the sad thing is, that I love Mickey D's! Mmm, Quarter Pounder with cheese, and a Filet of Fish(with extra tartar sauce!)! I'd pay $20 to eat that everyday, with no repercussions!
But I divorced those foods. Hopefully for life.:(:o
Don't get me wrong. I miss them, terribly. But I know what I want out of this body, and I'm going to keep that resolve.

[HejiraNYC]

Yeah, but I don't find many 40yo's, attractive(not all, though). So I split the difference. Oddly, 22yo's seem to have a thing for me. Not 21. 22. Always 22. It's strange. I'm currently dating a 23yo(who was 22, when we first dated).

And say what you will...if I'm with a 40yo, little Homer isn't always.....interested.:distress: If I'm with a hottie, little Homer(okay, trying to stay creative, within our "warning")....transforms! ;):D:]

Well, as the old saying goes, we all look the same in the dark. :shrug:

[HomerMcvie]

Well, as the old saying goes, we all look the same in the dark. :shrug:

Right. But I honestly find the "boing factor", amazing. If they're 40, I feel like I'd like to try Viagra. If they're 22, well, there's an Alabama song, called "Can't keep a Good Man Down".:lol:

I wish I felt the same for the 40yo's. Because honestly, life would probably be easier. Oh well, life's never been easy. At least it's exciting!:wavey:

[skcin]

Sure, she is/wasn't much to look at, but, good Lawd, the girl was up for doing anything. I suspect there isn't an act, fluid, position or orifice that she hasn't fully explored. Seventeen-year-old hotties may be nice to look at, but chances are they are just going to lie there like corpses.

Exactly.

Yeah, but I don't find many 40yo's, attractive(not all, though). So I split the difference. Oddly, 22yo's seem to have a thing for me. Not 21. 22. Always 22. It's strange. I'm currently dating a 23yo(who was 22, when we first dated).

And say what you will...if I'm with a 40yo, little Homer isn't always.....interested.:distress: If I'm with a hottie, little Homer(okay, trying to stay creative, within our "warning")....transforms! ;):D:]


Are you serious? :shocked: I mean, most people are more attracted to a younger body as a rule, no secret there. But 40 is not 70 - Christ, I'm going to be 36 & my husband can still get it up for me. :shrug: Drawing the line at 40? I sense some performance anxiety... ;)

Maybe it's the 40 year olds your hangning around with. Get with a better crowd, dude. :lol:

[HomerMcvie]

Exactly.




Are you serious? :shocked: I mean, most people are more attracted to a younger body as a rule, no secret there. But 40 is not 70 - Christ, I'm going to be 36 & my husband can still get it up for me. :shrug: Drawing the line at 40? I sense some performance anxiety... ;)

Maybe it's the 40 year olds your hangning around with. Get with a better crowd, dude. :lol:
I'm not saying I can't, for the 40's. But I've noticed HOW MUCH easier it is, with the younger. Day.And.Night.

It's almost life one takes effort, and the other, takes none whatsoever. Let's compare it to seeing FM in 1982, vs 2010. Which would you pick?:D


^^^btw, I love that analogy.

But also, I live in a college town. Most of my friends are 22-28. Hell, half of the town is 19-25.

[mezzoforte]

Right. But I honestly find the "boing factor", amazing. If they're 40, I feel like I'd like to try Viagra. If they're 22, well, there's an Alabama song, called "Can't keep a Good Man Down".:lol:

I wish I felt the same for the 40yo's. Because honestly, life would probably be easier. Oh well, life's never been easy. At least it's exciting!:wavey:

Not to be a prude/feminazi/whatever, but this is a pretty crass way of looking at women.
Speaking as a 21-year-old, I can honestly say that there is not a 40-year-old on earth I would sleep with. But that's because I can't see myself having that kind of emotional connection with someone closer to my father's age than my own--not because of a dearth of attractive 40-somethings.
And most men I've talked to have made it pretty clear that for a single hook-up, it's all the same in the dark.


As for "Sweet Connie," I can see the appeal. Enthusiastic, open-minded. And yeah--once the lights are out, probably a lot more fun than a cute 17y-o.

[louielouie2000]

Not to be a prude/feminazi/whatever, but this is a pretty crass way of looking at women.
Speaking as a 21-year-old, I can honestly say that there is not a 40-year-old on earth I would sleep with. But that's because I can't see myself having that kind of emotional connection with someone closer to my father's age than my own--not because of a dearth of attractive 40-somethings.
And most men I've talked to have made it pretty clear that for a single hook-up, it's all the same in the dark.


As for "Sweet Connie," I can see the appeal. Enthusiastic, open-minded. And yeah--once the lights are out, probably a lot more fun than a cute 17y-o.

Just picking your brain here, but would you judge a 20 something girl who strictly dated/boinked men in their 40s? I have a female friends who strictly go for younger men... what's the verdict on that? How about those who only date one race (be it their own or vice versa?). I don't know... I guess my point is we all have our own tastes, and I'd argue much of them are innate.

For what it's worth, my other half is 11 years older... and it's been the best relationship of my entire life. I'm probably old for my age, and he's certainly young for his. It just works, plain and simple. I can say if I were to become single again, there's no way... no WAY I'd ever go younger again. To each their own in regards to dating/sexuality, I say. If Sweet Connie's your thing, great. If she's not... that's cool too. :thumbsup:

[HomerMcvie]

Just picking your brain here, but would you judge a 20 something girl who strictly dated/boinked men in their 40s? I have a female friends who strictly go for younger men... what's the verdict on that? How about those who only date one race (be it their own or vice versa?). I don't know... I guess my point is we all have our own tastes, and I'd argue much of them are innate.

For what it's worth, my other half is 11 years older... and it's been the best relationship of my entire life. I'm probably old for my age, and he's certainly young for his. It just works, plain and simple. I can say if I were to become single again, there's no way... no WAY I'd ever go younger again. To each their own in regards to dating/sexuality, I say. If Sweet Connie's your thing, great. If she's not... that's cool too. :thumbsup:

Right. We all do have our own taste. I'd say I sound like your sig other. I'm 42, and my 28yo friend told me, last night, when we were discussing me dating a 23yo. He said, "Well David, you neither look your age, nor act your age". My 23yo says, "you act like you're 19, and you have the libido of a 14yo".

And for the record, I'd like to state, that I haven't pursued any off these young ones. I dated the current one, a year ago. After nine months of silence(no emails, nothing...)I got an email, about two months ago, saying,(I don't want this to sound like bragging, or anything like that)"I can't get you out of my mind, even after all these months. While I thought I couldn't deal with our age difference, I have decided, indeed, that you're the real deal. When you told me that you loved me, it freaked me out. But I now know that you were being sincere, and not just saying that, to score someone young. I'm sorry, and I was very cruel to you, and you deserve better than that. And if you'd like to try it again, slowly, I'd like that".

And so it goes. And we're going slowly. And it's going pretty darned good.

[mezzoforte]

Just picking your brain here, but would you judge a 20 something girl who strictly dated/boinked men in their 40s? I have a female friends who strictly go for younger men... what's the verdict on that? How about those who only date one race (be it their own or vice versa?). I don't know... I guess my point is we all have our own tastes, and I'd argue much of them are innate.

For what it's worth, my other half is 11 years older... and it's been the best relationship of my entire life. I'm probably old for my age, and he's certainly young for his. It just works, plain and simple. I can say if I were to become single again, there's no way... no WAY I'd ever go younger again. To each their own in regards to dating/sexuality, I say. If Sweet Connie's your thing, great. If she's not... that's cool too. :thumbsup:


No judgements on girlfriends who boink 40-year-olds. It's just not for me. Personally, I would only sleep with someone with whom I felt an emotional connection (no judgements on casual sex either--just not my thing), and being young and still in college, I have yet to relate to a 40-year-old on that level.

Of course everyone has their own tastes! And that's fine. I've dinged guys for being shorter than me--hosts of other reasons, really, and many of them superficial. If we're honest with ourselves, looks do matter, to almost all of us.
Some guys prefer blonds, some curvy chicks, and nearly all prefer younger women. Why? Because they're designed to. Mother nature wired men to spread their seed, and that entails seeking out fertile females. So I accept it as a biological inevitability that men will go for a 20-something over a 40-something, nine times out of ten.
So Homer's basic points weren't particularly surprising, but the way he phrased them came off a little, well, hinky to me. Sort of an implication that women exist to serve little Homer? And that once we hit our expiration date, we're not even worth getting it up for? Uh, that's a little harsher than "I tend to go for younger women," for example. JMO, of course *shrugs*

Anyway, the most recent post was definitely sweeter. Homer, if you're happy then I'm genuinely happy for both of you. All the best.

[HomerMcvie]

So Homer's basic points weren't particularly surprising, but the way he phrased them came off a little, well, hinky to me. Sort of an implication that women exist to serve little Homer? And that once we hit our expiration date, we're not even worth getting it up for? Uh, that's a little harsher than "I tend to go for younger women," for example. JMO, of course *shrugs*

Anyway, the most recent post was definitely sweeter. Homer, if you're happy then I'm genuinely happy for both of you. All the best.
What in the world is "hinky"?:lol:

No, I'm only stating little Homer's preference! Little Homer doesn't rule Big Homer, however.

So far, this time, I've got a good feeling about it.:woohoo:

[mezzoforte]

Hinky? It's slangy, I guess. It means, basically, "not quite right." I've always thought it was kind of a fun word.

BTW, this has reminded me of the hubbub around a John Mayer comment a while ago. There was some controversy over his voiced preference for white girls (or rather, he stated that little John wasn't open to black girls). I'm not saying the issue is identical by any means (race is a social construction, whereas age is not). But it's a fascinating debate, I think--is it okay to have preferences? And how can one voice those preferences? It's not a simple question, and I'm not sure of the answer. But I thought this was an interesting article if anyone wants to do more reading.

http://jezebel.com/5469484/its-impossible-to-have-a-benetton-heart-and-a-white-supremacist-dick

And, uh, sorry for swerving way off topic, everyone!

[elle]

No judgements on girlfriends who boink 40-year-olds. It's just not for me. Personally, I would only sleep with someone with whom I felt an emotional connection (no judgements on casual sex either--just not my thing), and being young and still in college, I have yet to relate to a 40-year-old on that level.

Of course everyone has their own tastes! And that's fine. I've dinged guys for being shorter than me--hosts of other reasons, really, and many of them superficial. If we're honest with ourselves, looks do matter, to almost all of us.
Some guys prefer blonds, some curvy chicks, and nearly all prefer younger women. Why? Because they're designed to. Mother nature wired men to spread their seed, and that entails seeking out fertile females. So I accept it as a biological inevitability that men will go for a 20-something over a 40-something, nine times out of ten.
So Homer's basic points weren't particularly surprising, but the way he phrased them came off a little, well, hinky to me. Sort of an implication that women exist to serve little Homer? And that once we hit our expiration date, we're not even worth getting it up for? Uh, that's a little harsher than "I tend to go for younger women," for example. JMO, of course *shrugs*

Anyway, the most recent post was definitely sweeter. Homer, if you're happy then I'm genuinely happy for both of you. All the best.

very nicely explained mezzoforte. and yes, homer's comment reminded me of a johm meyer thing too.

so homer, your phrasing apparently left a very similar impression on a 20yo, 30+yo and 40+yo woman. i don't think that was your intent, but if you don't really want to come accross as some kind of "bragging sexist prick", you may want to consider toning down these types of comments.

[HomerMcvie]

very nicely explained mezzoforte. and yes, homer's comment reminded me of a johm meyer thing too.

so homer, your phrasing apparently left a very similar impression on a 20yo, 30+yo and 40+yo woman. i don't think that was your intent, but if you don't really want to come accross as some kind of "bragging sexist prick", you may want to consider toning down these types of comments.
I did sound for John Mayer, once. He was really nice. But there should be nothing wrong, with stating your preferences. On a Seinfeld, Elaine calls Jerry racist, because he likes Asian women. Jerry says, "how is it racist, if I LIKE their race?" PC-ness, has reached a ridiculous level.

Always remember, the written word, can easily be misconstrued. I think you've taken a couple of things, not in the context in which they were intended.

[elle]

the written word, can easily be misconstrued.

definitely agree. and like i said, mezzoforte stated everything so nicely, from biology to tastes. we all have our preferences. and, i'm very happy that my brother who's your age has a 20+yo gf.:)

just letting you know what (not only my) impression is.

[HomerMcvie]

definitely agree. and like i said, mezzoforte stated everything so nicely, from biology to tastes. we all have our preferences. and, i'm very happy that my brother who's your age has a 20+yo gf.:)

just letting you know what (not only my) impression is.
My biggest problem with dating that age range, is that they always ASSume, that I'm so different from them. Like I don't have hopes, dreams, fear of rejection, and love in my heart. Like I'm not able to cry, or be vulnerable, or something. I'm very strong, but I'm not tough. There is a difference.
Because, at least inside, I feel like we're pretty much the same. Believe it or not, I have an innocent, giving, loving heart. I'm confident, but that doesn't mean I still can't be those other things.

[skcin]

I have no problem with age differences between people who are dating, banging, married, whatever. I do have a problem with a woman being judged/written off as unattractive or gross just because she's older, or just because she's overweight.

I got an email, about two months ago, saying,(I don't want this to sound like bragging, or anything like that)"I can't get you out of my mind, even after all these months. While I thought I couldn't deal with our age difference, I have decided, indeed, that you're the real deal. When you told me that you loved me, it freaked me out. But I now know that you were being sincere, and not just saying that, to score someone young. I'm sorry, and I was very cruel to you, and you deserve better than that. And if you'd like to try it again, slowly, I'd like that".

And so it goes. And we're going slowly. And it's going pretty darned good.

There's no way she had that many commas in her email. :laugh:

Hope it works out well for you both. Really. Although, whatever will you do 17 years (or 25 pounds) from now...

[HomerMcvie]

There's no way she had that many commas in her email. :laugh:

Hope it works out well for you both. Really. Although, whatever will you do 17 years (or 25 pounds) from now...
The age has never been a problem for me(imagine that). The weight loss, however, was a SHOCK(as we hadn't seen each other for nine months), and I was told, "I no longer find you attractive, now that you're a skinny white boy". It took a couple weeks of getting used to. It's all good, now.

[mezzoforte]

The age has never been a problem for me(imagine that). The weight loss, however, was a SHOCK(as we hadn't seen each other for nine months), and I was told, "I no longer find you attractive, now that you're a skinny white boy". It took a couple weeks of getting used to. It's all good, now.

Um, I think Sckin meant when your gf ages 20 years, puts on 25 pounds (as in, will you toss her out with the garbage?). Not your weight loss.

[HomerMcvie]

Um, I think Sckin meant when your gf ages 20 years, puts on 25 pounds (as in, will you toss her out with the garbage?). Not your weight loss.

I don't really have a problem with a little chub, on OTHERS. Honestly. My weight loss, is all for me! My family thinks I'm too thin, but I don't care. I'm where "I" want to be, and that's all that matters.

[Dodfather]

Well guys, my last girlfriend was 18 years older than me. We broke up 2 years ago and got together I was 25 and she 42, nearly 43. I met her when she came to my dept to do her phD (and she sure did! - sorry. obvious joke that I had to go for!) I'm older for my age, so I'm told, and we had become good friends before getting together.

We had been friends a couple of months before I actually asked her how old she was because I realised I didn;t know. I COULD NOT believe it when she said 42. She looked 30-32 at the oldest! No-one else in our circle of friends could believe it either. That's what yoga and a good diet will do for you I guess...

Oh, and it was the best sex I'e ever had! So far of course...

Sidenote: For an older woman you just can;'beat Michelle Pfeiffer. Oh Hell Yeah! That red dress, on the piano, singing Making Whoopee... She still looks great.

[daniellaaarisen]

Speaking as a 21-year-old, I can honestly say that there is not a 40-year-old on earth I would sleep with. But that's because I can't see myself having that kind of emotional connection with someone closer to my father's age than my own--not because of a dearth of attractive 40-somethings.

I'm 19 and the exact opposite-- I haven't dated anyone under 30 in 3 years. I've gone as old as 52 and right now, I'm involved with a 39-year-old. I have tried dating people my own age and it just feels so wrong for me, so unnatural... I really have to force it, when all my relationships with older men have not just been "easy," but successful. One lasted over a year. So hey! It changes for everyone, and I fully support Dave's decision.

[HomerMcvie]

Well guys, my last girlfriend was 18 years older than me. We broke up 2 years ago and got together I was 25 and she 42, nearly 43.
We had been friends a couple of months before I actually asked her how old she was because I realised I didn;t know. I COULD NOT believe it when she said 42. She looked 30-32 at the oldest!
Oh, and it was the best sex I'e ever had! So far of course...
.
Trying so hard to refrain from comment, but I'm so weak in that area!:lol:

I truly believe, that age is a state of mind. If you've got 3 kids, and a bitch of a spouse(not being gender specific on "bitch"), time is going to take it's toll. If you "believe", in being young, and "live" young, I believe, you will stay young. I'm 19, forever. Your mileage may vary.:lol: A 20yo is texting me, right now, to which, I am not responding...... I just got off of work, and drinking some wine, so I'm not driving back to town!

And yes, sex is better than ever. At 18, it's REALLY exciting, but you don't know "what" to do, to put it over the top. At 40, it's still really exciting(minus the anxiety!!!!), but you know how to get everything you want, out of it!

[iamnotafraid]

I haven't dated anyone under 30 in 3 years. I've gone as old as 52 and right now, I'm involved with a 39-year-old.


Let's hear it for Dani!
40+ is still cool.

[jannieC]

While I am told that I look young for someone of my advanced age, I would never ever want to be with a much younger man. I think the pressure would just be too much for me. Fortunately I am happily married and won't need to worry about it. I don't have a problem with age differences, but did I ever tell you guys about the client I had? She was 18 and her boyfriend was.......................................................................................wait for it...............................................72. And he was her "best friend's" grandfather.

I am not one to judge, but it really does depend on the situation. This was a really unhealthy situation (I wish I could tell details because it was just so bizarre) and the age gap was not a good thing.

[GypsySorcerer]

This is an interesting topic.

I have usually dated older guys, mostly because I found the ones my age too immature. Although now that I am 30, that is becoming less of a problem. I wouldn't have a problem dating someone a year or two younger, but I can't picture myself with someone significantly younger, ever.

The problems I see with big age differences (15-20 years or more) are long-term. At 30, say I wanted to start a family, but my (hypothetical) 55 year-old husband/boyfriend/whatever already raised children from a first marriage (cause at that age, it's highly likely) and wanted no part of chasing a youngster around at 60. :shrug:

And I had to watch my aunt play nursemaid at 50 to her dying husband, who was near 70. He treated her so horribly (and he was very sick, so his behavior in part was attributed to that). Then she was a widow at 51 or 52.... now she's back in the dating world, trying it all again.

It does come down to individuality, I think. I know some "old" twenty-somethings, and some "young" forty-somethings.

[skcin]

The age has never been a problem for me(imagine that). The weight loss, however, was a SHOCK(as we hadn't seen each other for nine months), and I was told, "I no longer find you attractive, now that you're a skinny white boy". It took a couple weeks of getting used to. It's all good, now.

Not what I meant dude.

Um, I think Sckin meant when your gf ages 20 years, puts on 25 pounds (as in, will you toss her out with the garbage?). Not your weight loss.

THAT'S what I meant - thank you! :wavey:

I don't really have a problem with a little chub, on OTHERS. Honestly. My weight loss, is all for me! My family thinks I'm too thin, but I don't care. I'm where "I" want to be, and that's all that matters.

You making fat comments about Sweet Connie & Valeris Bertinelli are what started this whole conversation, but now you don't mind a few extra pounds on a woman? :laugh:

And yes, sex is better than ever. At 18, it's REALLY exciting, but you don't know "what" to do, to put it over the top. At 40, it's still really exciting(minus the anxiety!!!!), but you know how to get everything you want, out of it!


I'm sure many 40 year old women feel the same way. :wavey:

[daniellaaarisen]

While I am told that I look young for someone of my advanced age, I would never ever want to be with a much younger man. I think the pressure would just be too much for me. Fortunately I am happily married and won't need to worry about it. I don't have a problem with age differences, but did I ever tell you guys about the client I had? She was 18 and her boyfriend was.......................................................................................wait for it...............................................72. And he was her "best friend's" grandfather.

I am not one to judge, but it really does depend on the situation. This was a really unhealthy situation (I wish I could tell details because it was just so bizarre) and the age gap was not a good thing.

Um, ADVANCED AGE?

And yeah, if it makes you feel any better....... I'd only go past 55 for Lindsay :xoxo:

[HomerMcvie]

Rule #1 at The Ledge???
Lindsay
LindsEy!!!!!!!!!!!!!;)

[HomerMcvie]

Not what I meant dude.
THAT'S what I meant - thank you! :wavey:

You making fat comments about Sweet Connie & Valeris Bertinelli are what started this whole conversation, but now you don't mind a few extra pounds on a woman? :laugh:



I'm sure many 40 year old women feel the same way. :wavey:
I don't remember calling Sweet Connie fat. I DO think she's UGLY, however. And the Valerie comment was mainly, because we JOKED that Eddie VH was a chubby chaser(okay, the Connie pic with him, was how we got to the joke of him being a chubby chaser). And it was just a joke. Please.lighten.up,and.have.a.sense.of.humor,because.life's.too.short,to.be.so.serious.

And for a long time, Valerie had more than A FEW EXTRA POUNDS on her. FIFTEEN, is a few extra pounds. Fifty, is MORE than a few.

Now, why would I want a 40yo, when I can have two 20's?:laugh::]:laugh::]:laugh::]

[HomerMcvie]

She was 18 and her boyfriend was.......................................................................................wait for it...............................................72.
When my cousin was in her mid 20's, she got with a man in his early 60's. They finally broke up, and she moved back home(1000 miles). Well, a few months later, he followed....he moved here, and they got back together, for a few years. It took the family awhile to warm up to him(especially the women, who saw him as a cradle robber), BUT, after a year or two, he became a member of the family. They split up, a few years later(long story short-she had become a TERRIBLE alcoholic, she left him, turned lesbian, got sober, and has been, ever since), BUT, by then, he had become a complete member of our family. We invited him to every get-together, and he even attended our family reunions. He was a great guy, and just became one of us. And stayed one of us, until his death.

Moral? It took the family a while, but they finally realized, that age meant nothing. He was a wonderful person, and we grew to love him. The "number", no longer mattered.

[camchristo]

I'm 19 and the exact opposite-- I haven't dated anyone under 30 in 3 years. I've gone as old as 52 and right now, I'm involved with a 39-year-old. I have tried dating people my own age and it just feels so wrong for me, so unnatural... I really have to force it, when all my relationships with older men have not just been "easy," but successful. One lasted over a year. So hey! It changes for everyone, and I fully support Dave's decision.


So, since you've been 15, you haven't dated anyone under 30? I'm sorry. Call me a prude, but I just have a problem with that. At 15 and 16, you're still just a baby. I know people mature at different paces, but still. What 30 year old wants to date a 15 or 16 year old? Unless, of course, they don't know the truth. If they do know the truth, they have problems. I am of the opinion that an age difference matters less as you get older, but it can still be a hinderance. Until the youngest person is out of college (assuming they go to college straight from high school), a large age gap makes a huge difference. You are at two completely different places in your lives.

Even now. You're 18 - almost 19. You're a freshman in college going to frat parties and experimenting with foreskin. A 39 year old is, more than likely, settled into a career, owning a first or second home and either has a family or is ready to start one.

I'm not saying you can't get along and have fun together. Just that, in the long run, it usually doesn't work out. Take the example above. When you're ready to retire, travel and have fun, you're going to have to change your spouses diapers. Or, when you're ready to start a family, he's ready to retire.

I had a friend who was 27 when she started dating a 45 year old friend of mine. He was a young 45 for sure, but the age difference was just always there.

To each his own, but at some points in time, the age difference does become a defining point of the relationship.

[HejiraNYC]

So, since you've been 15, you haven't dated anyone under 30? I'm sorry. Call me a prude, but I just have a problem with that. At 15 and 16, you're still just a baby. I know people mature at different paces, but still. What 30 year old wants to date a 15 or 16 year old? Unless, of course, they don't know the truth. If they do know the truth, they have problems. I am of the opinion that an age difference matters less as you get older, but it can still be a hinderance. Until the youngest person is out of college (assuming they go to college straight from high school), a large age gap makes a huge difference. You are at two completely different places in your lives.


Hmmm... let's just say it begins with a "p" and rhymes with "bibliophile."

[bluefox4000]

I'm 19 and the exact opposite-- I haven't dated anyone under 30 in 3 years. I've gone as old as 52 and right now, I'm involved with a 39-year-old.

I'm creeped out.:eek:

Anyway....When I did date. I dated younger. up to 3 years younger. My Wife is just a year younger.


And I did not date that much anyway.

Mick

[HomerMcvie]

I'm creeped out.:eek:

Anyway....When I did date. I dated younger. up to 3 years younger. My Wife is just a year younger.

Mick
But if it works for her, it's okay, right?
People DO mature at much different rates. The 20yo that was texting me last night, may as well be 30. Same for my best friend, who's 22. They may as well be 30, because that's how they act. No drama. No teenage bullsh*t. Nice adult behavior.
However, my 23yo, while brilliant(grad student, teaching university level chemistry classes), is extremely immature, socially. And I will admit, that it sometimes feels a little awkward, in social situations. BUT, we both care for each other, and the passion is off the charts(I don't mean sex), so we're just talking it day by day. And that's the point I had to get across. Whether we last 2 days, or 2 months, or 20 years, it is, what it is. It's only good, as long as it's good for both of us.

[vivfox]

You're a freshman in college going to frat parties and experimenting with foreskin.


Quote of the month.:lol:

[daniellaaarisen]

Rule #1 at The Ledge???

LindsEy!!!!!!!!!!!!!;)

I've never made that mistake before. I fail.

In regards to comments against what I said earlier-- don't care what you guys say about it, to the point that I'm not reading your posts. Sorry. I've been criticized for this by people whose opinions I actually care about (people I know and love in real life) and it still hasn't changed my stance. Also, I turn 19 in 2 weeks-- didn't started dating older people until I was halfway through 16. Call it whatever you want, but it's worked very well for me and I am happy with the decisions I've made.

[HomerMcvie]

I've never made that mistake before. I fail.

In regards to comments against what I said earlier-- don't care what you guys say about it, to the point that I'm not reading your posts. Sorry. I've been criticized for this by people whose opinions I actually care about (people I know and love in real life) and it still hasn't changed my stance. Also, I turn 19 in 2 weeks-- didn't started dating older people until I was halfway through 16. Call it whatever you want, but it's worked very well for me and I am happy with the decisions I've made.

LindsAy's The Bionic Woman! (did I just date myself?);)

I think you have the perfect outlook, on this situation. Only you know, who and what, makes you happy.
Good for you!:)

[camchristo]

I've never made that mistake before. I fail.

In regards to comments against what I said earlier-- don't care what you guys say about it, to the point that I'm not reading your posts. Sorry. I've been criticized for this by people whose opinions I actually care about (people I know and love in real life) and it still hasn't changed my stance. Also, I turn 19 in 2 weeks-- didn't started dating older people until I was halfway through 16. Call it whatever you want, but it's worked very well for me and I am happy with the decisions I've made.

Dani, you probably won't read this, since you're skipping over these opinions, but that's ok. 16 1/2 and 30 are worlds apart on most every level. I know you feel like an old soul. I was pretty mature early on too. But when I look back now, I can realize that I was still immature when it came to relationships. I thought I was so mature when I was 17 with a 22 year old boyfriend. Now I realize how stupid I was and what a loser he was (and still is). He dated younger people so he could control them and so that they would not realize what a big loser he was (because they didn't have the life experience to know any better).

And, from some of the things you've posted, I'm of the impression that this hasn't worked very well for you. It seems that you are often in relationship dramas and dealing with these men blowing you off and being aloof.

I'm not trying to change your mind. I know I can't and I don't really care, just stating my opinion and engaging in the debate.

[jannieC]

Moral? It took the family a while, but they finally realized, that age meant nothing. He was a wonderful person, and we grew to love him. The "number", no longer mattered.
Definitely not the situation with my client but believe me, we all debated it. My clinical supervisor is a (beloved) pervy 66 year old man so he LOVED this story; it gave him "hope". lol

I worry about Dani (she knows this) but truthfully, it's hard to change who you're attracted to. I worry more about the type of man who would want to be in a serious relationship with someone so young (not necessarily talking about Dani, here).

[HomerMcvie]

Definitely not the situation with my client but believe me, we all debated it. My clinical supervisor is a (beloved) pervy 66 year old man so he LOVED this story; it gave him "hope". lol

I worry about Dani (she knows this) but truthfully, it's hard to change who you're attracted to. I worry more about the type of man who would want to be in a serious relationship with someone so young (not necessarily talking about Dani, here).
As long as he's a good person, that should be all that matters. The pervy part bothers me a bit, though, to be honest.

Actually, a few weeks ago, I had a 19yo want to go to dinner with me(as a date). The more and more I thought about it, though, I knew I had to draw the line on that one. The dinner was scheduled, and fortunately, scheduling conflicts stopped it. I was honestly relieved, and never rescheduled.
This one just acted too young, for me to even be interested. If you can't carry on a decent, adult conversation, I'm not interested. ;)
But again, everyone matures at a different rate.

[GypsySorcerer]

I think the main thing is to be careful that the relationship is healthy, i.e. no control/power/dependency issues. Respect is key. The aunt I mentioned earlier had a pattern of being involved with older, controlling, emotionally abusive guys, since she was about 12.

[Sahara]

I worry more about the type of man who would want to be in a serious relationship with someone so young (not necessarily talking about Dani, here).

This is me. Even though my tastes do run to older guys (or at least, they would if I dated :rolleyes:), I feel like my trust issues would be pushed right to the limit. I think we'd want such different things that I'd always worry that he didn't respect me or was just humouring me. What could he see in me?

Not that those fears stop me falling for him, of course; you can't control the people you love, but you can choose what to do about those feelings :shrug:

[iamnotafraid]

Points for all the girls who like 40(+) year olds.

Listen to Jerry Lee Lewis' Middle Age Crazy.

[jannieC]

As long as he's a good person, that should be all that matters. The pervy part bothers me a bit, though, to be honest.

Ha, I was referring to my supervisor as being pervy, but I should have put quotes around the word because he is only jokingly pervy and a wonderful clinician/supervisor. We just got a few laughs over the situation when we staffed it.

[HomerMcvie]

Ha, I was referring to my supervisor as being pervy, but I should have put quotes around the word because he is only jokingly pervy and a wonderful clinician/supervisor. We just got a few laughs over the situation when we staffed it.

Oh, I know to whom you were referring. For me, the word pervert always paints this STRANGE picture of someone, in my imagination! Your supervisor sitting in a closet somewhere, sniffing someone's dirty socks!:lol:

[jannieC]

Oh, I know to whom you were referring. For me, the word pervert always paints this STRANGE picture of someone, in my imagination! Your supervisor sitting in a closet somewhere, sniffing someone's dirty socks!:lol:

OMG. :laugh:

[daniellaaarisen]

I worry about Dani (she knows this) but truthfully, it's hard to change who you're attracted to. I worry more about the type of man who would want to be in a serious relationship with someone so young (not necessarily talking about Dani, here).

This reminds me... we gotta update. I know your life is crazy right now with your mom but I'll call soon. Things are changing for the better...

And yeah, you really can't change what you're attracted to. And just because I've had relationship problems (you know, like everyone else) doesn't mean I haven't had successful ones. I've had MANY successful relationships with older people, people who weren't pervy or controlling, who I'm still good friends with to this day.

There's an exception to every rule...

[skcin]

I don't remember calling Sweet Connie fat. I DO think she's UGLY, however. And the Valerie comment was mainly, because we JOKED that Eddie VH was a chubby chaser(okay, the Connie pic with him, was how we got to the joke of him being a chubby chaser). And it was just a joke. Please.lighten.up,and.have.a.sense.of.humor,because.life's.too.short,to.be.so.serious.

And for a long time, Valerie had more than A FEW EXTRA POUNDS on her. FIFTEEN, is a few extra pounds. Fifty, is MORE than a few.

Now, why would I want a 40yo, when I can have two 20's?:laugh::]:laugh::]:laugh::]

1) You know me well enough by now Dave. If you contradict yourself, I'm going to call you on it. Same if I think you're full of ****. :wavey:
2) Your definition of "a little chub" please?
3) Do you want a real, true long-term relationship with someone? Guess not.

Dani, you probably won't read this, since you're skipping over these opinions, but that's ok. 16 1/2 and 30 are worlds apart on most every level. I know you feel like an old soul. I was pretty mature early on too. But when I look back now, I can realize that I was still immature when it came to relationships. I thought I was so mature when I was 17 with a 22 year old boyfriend. Now I realize how stupid I was and what a loser he was (and still is). He dated younger people so he could control them and so that they would not realize what a big loser he was (because they didn't have the life experience to know any better).

And, from some of the things you've posted, I'm of the impression that this hasn't worked very well for you. It seems that you are often in relationship dramas and dealing with these men blowing you off and being aloof.

I'm not trying to change your mind. I know I can't and I don't really care, just stating my opinion and engaging in the debate.

Great post. I had the same situation. I was 16, he was 21. Guess I should have tried for a 50 year old. :shrug:

Definitely not the situation with my client but believe me, we all debated it. My clinical supervisor is a (beloved) pervy 66 year old man so he LOVED this story; it gave him "hope". lol

I worry about Dani (she knows this) but truthfully, it's hard to change who you're attracted to. I worry more about the type of man who would want to be in a serious relationship with someone so young (not necessarily talking about Dani, here).

Great post as well.

As long as he's a good person, that should be all that matters. The pervy part bothers me a bit, though, to be honest.

Actually, a few weeks ago, I had a 19yo want to go to dinner with me(as a date). The more and more I thought about it, though, I knew I had to draw the line on that one. The dinner was scheduled, and fortunately, scheduling conflicts stopped it. I was honestly relieved, and never rescheduled.
This one just acted too young, for me to even be interested. If you can't carry on a decent, adult conversation, I'm not interested. ;)
But again, everyone matures at a different rate.

1) So that goes for old dudes, but not fat or ugly chicks. Got it.
2) Just wait for her next birthday, she should be way more mature at 20 right?
3) I thought you were seriously dating that 23 year old?

Points for all the girls who like 40(+) year olds.

Listen to Jerry Lee Lewis' Middle Age Crazy.

Speaking of pedophiles...

This reminds me... we gotta update. I know your life is crazy right now with your mom but I'll call soon. Things are changing for the better...

And yeah, you really can't change what you're attracted to. And just because I've had relationship problems (you know, like everyone else) doesn't mean I haven't had successful ones. I've had MANY successful relationships with older people, people who weren't pervy or controlling, who I'm still good friends with to this day. There's an exception to every rule...

Many? Like, how many? Because if you've been dating for 3-4 years & have had many successful relationships, not to mention the unsuccessful ones - so not too many were long term then? Just trying to do the math here...

[HejiraNYC]

1)

1) So that goes for old dudes, but not fat or ugly chicks. Got it.
2) Just wait for her next birthday, she should be way more mature at 20 right?
3) I thought you were seriously dating that 23 year old?




Ezz-actly! :lol: It's a total double standard. But the sad reality is that it is a man's world. I mean, check out all of the TV sitcoms. There are all of these wrinkly, schlubby, nerdy, dumpy, troll-y male characters who seem to date nothing but skinny and hot pieces of a$$- as if that's perfectly natural and appropriate in the real world. For once I would love to see a hot guy hook up with a wrinkly, schlubby, nerdy, dumpy, troll-y girl. Of course, everyone would assume something is off about this guy, e.g., he's a cougar cub or a chubby chaser, etc. :rolleyes:

[HomerMcvie]

1) You know me well enough by now Dave. If you contradict yourself, I'm going to call you on it. Same if I think you're full of ****. :wavey:
2) Your definition of "a little chub" please?
3) Do you want a real, true long-term relationship with someone? Guess not.

1) So that goes for old dudes, but not fat or ugly chicks. Got it.
2) Just wait for her next birthday, she should be way more mature at 20 right?
3) I thought you were seriously dating that 23 year old?

Maybe I am full of sh*t? Opinions vary. It DOES seem like you're looking for an argument, though. I WILL say this.

Do you know the main difference in a 20yo woman, versus a 40yo woman? The former is almost always open minded, fun loving, and carefree. The latter is often bitter, jaded, argumentative, and very little fun to be around. Not pointing any fingers, just sayin'...you DO seem to be taking my preferences, personally.

Little chub? I'd say up to 20lbs over their ideal weight.

Yes, I'm interested in a long term relationship. No kids, though. Bleck.

No, the 19yo is just a friend, that we'd both considered taking it to another level. We BOTH decided that it wasn't the right thing. I was relieved, to be honest.

I am seriously dating the 23yo. However, a grad student has very little free time, and I'm being held to about 2 dates a week. I AM a very impatient person, but I'm slowly learning self restraint.

[HejiraNYC]

Little chub? I'd say up to 20lbs over their ideal weight.



Is this your source?

http://fitnessbylaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/bmi-chart585.jpg

BTW, I think this is horse****. I am borderline "obese," yet I have a 30" waist.

[chiliD]

^^^^
According to that chart, I am NOT overweight, I'm just too short. I really should be about 7'5" instead of 6'.

[HomerMcvie]

^^^I'm about 20 lbs underweight.

Yay me!!!:blob2::blob2::blob2:

[mezzoforte]

Maybe I am full of sh*t? Opinions vary. It DOES seem like you're looking for an argument, though. I WILL say this.

Do you know the main difference in a 20yo woman, versus a 40yo woman? The former is almost always open minded, fun loving, and carefree. The latter is often bitter, jaded, argumentative, and very little fun to be around. Not pointing any fingers, just sayin'...you DO seem to be taking my preferences, personally.

Little chub? I'd say up to 20lbs over their ideal weight.

Yes, I'm interested in a long term relationship. No kids, though. Bleck.

No, the 19yo is just a friend, that we'd both considered taking it to another level. We BOTH decided that it wasn't the right thing. I was relieved, to be honest.

I am seriously dating the 23yo. However, a grad student has very little free time, and I'm being held to about 2 dates a week. I AM a very impatient person, but I'm slowly learning self restraint.

PEOPLE AGE. We all do. In the next twenty years, I will grow older, wiser, more experienced. Maybe I will become more bitter--I have no idea! But I'll also know myself better, and be less inhibited. I look at my mother (age 44) and see someone who has grown infinitely stronger and braver just in the last few years. She hasn't become bitter in the least, and my father continues to adore her. This is true of many of the middle aged women I know. We all change with age, and some of those changes will be positive, others negative.
The 22-year-olds you're after now will be 40 someday. I guess you can never get married, or enter into a long-term partnership, lest your partner grow less "open-minded" (a quality you obviously possess in abundance!).
Not everyone has to want a long-term relationship (I'm not certain I see it for myself). But are you really going to keep chasing these 22-year-olds when you're 50? 60? Certainly, that's your call. But don't those guys always seem pathetic? They do to me.
You don't have to want to be with someone wise, experienced--someone of your generation. Maybe you'll always prefer young, enthusiastic women. But please don't use blanket statements about how by 40, I'll be "no fun to be around." I'm trying very hard to be reasoned in my responses, but I have to be blunt here: that's a revolting, presumptuous, insensitive thing to say.

Anyway, I can't stop you from having preferences, and I completely understand why almost all males would choose younger women. But the way you've been putting things often sounds kind of gross--at least, to some of us.
It's a sensitive topic for women. Heck, I'm not even in any of the groups you've insulted (I'm a young woman, and I, too, am underweight according to that chart).

Society is breathtakingly unfair in its treatment of men and women as they age. And even as a young woman, it terrifies me that I'll be considered "bitter and jaded," not to mention sexually undesirable by 40. As though being sexy and carefree is all I have to offer, and if those things go away, I'm nothing.
You've shown an impressive hypocrisy in your statements--one all too common in our culture. You've mentioned repeatedly that it's what's on the inside that matters, but don't seem to extend that same privilege to women. You don't want girls to make assumptions about you based on age, but heap assumptions on middle-aged women with an alarming zeal.
You talk about the trials of dating GIRLS my age:
My biggest problem with dating that age range, is that they always ASSume, that I'm so different from them. Like I don't have hopes, dreams, fear of rejection, and love in my heart. Like I'm not able to cry, or be vulnerable, or something. I'm very strong, but I'm not tough. There is a difference.
Because, at least inside, I feel like we're pretty much the same. Believe it or not, I have an innocent, giving, loving heart. I'm confident, but that doesn't mean I still can't be those other things.
Some girls my age are interested in men your age, and I can only speak for myself. But when I reject the advances of men old enough to be my father, it's not because I "ASSume" they don't have "hopes, dreams, fear of rejection, and love in [their] hearts." As I've stated, I think there's enormous value to be found in aging. I often enjoy spending time with my parents' friends--they can be fun to talk to, and bring another perspective. I don't doubt that men that age have feelings. But would I be interested in a relationship with one of them? No. I'm a student, and my life is very much based around the college. I want to be with someone who understands that, who's in a similar mindset.
And I enjoy sharing those little, generational memories with someone. It's nice to remember the same music, movies, books, and world events that shaped your childhood. Those things matter to me.
Obviously not all girls feel this way (completely fine by me! They're more than welcome to date who they like). But that's the perspective I'm coming from, and it's a valid one.

And it's upsetting that you would call girls like me judgmental for that. You think I should approach men of all ages with an open mind, because they may be good people and "it's what's on the inside that counts." But you're willing to make blanket judgements on women--happy to assume that they're bitter and lacking in fun. Consider that they, too, may have "hopes, dreams, fear of rejection, and love."

Mind you, I actually don't have a problem with age disparity (within reason). It's the way you talk about women that I've found very troubling.
You don't have to want to sleep with women your own age. But please don't say derisive things about them. Don't force personality traits on them. Discuss them with a little more respect. Consider, for a moment, that they have feelings and value.

[carrie721]

^^^I'm about 20 lbs underweight.

Yay me!!!:blob2::blob2::blob2:

i'm 50 pounds overweight! yay me! :blob2: :blob2: :blob2:

[HomerMcvie]

You don't have to want to sleep with women your own age. But please don't say derisive things about them. Don't force personality traits on them. Discuss them with a little more respect. Consider, for a moment, that they have feelings and value.While I DO think we should agree to disagree, and drop this, I will say, that almost all my experience with older women, comes from my married friends. Take the bass player and drummer, in my band. They are both early 50's, and their wives are late 40's. The bass player's wife, treats him like ****. He works 70 hours a week, and makes a good living. HE, pays ALL the bills. She works, and her money, is just that, HER money. She talks to him like he's a dog, constantly. He hates her, but stays, only for their daughter's sake(yes, a mistake, I know). But at least she only treats him like sh*t.
My drummer's wife, is pretty much the same, but she treats everyone like sh*t. I've never met a more miserable person, in my entire life. I won't even speak to her, unless it's absolutely necessary. Both of them, are mean, nasty, hateful creatures. Why would anyone want someone like that?

So, maybe I've only met the bitter ones...I'm sure there are some good ones out there, but the odds increase, seemingly exponentially, that age breeds bitterness.

[HomerMcvie]

i'm 50 pounds overweight! yay me! :blob2: :blob2: :blob2:

I think everyone should do what makes them go, "yay".
Anorexic, or obese, if it makes you happy, I say go for it.:woohoo:

[diane_k]

I think everyone should do what makes them go, "yay".
Anorexic, or obese, if it makes you happy, I say go for it.:woohoo:

You know what makes me happy? Proper comma usage. :thumbsup:

[HomerMcvie]

You know what makes me happy? Proper comma usage. :thumbsup:

Do you know what makes me happy? Getting ready for a date! Have a good night! I intend to!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,;)

[LikeAWillow]

PEOPLE AGE. We all do. In the next twenty years, I will grow older, wiser, more experienced. Maybe I will become more bitter--I have no idea! But I'll also know myself better, and be less inhibited. I look at my mother (age 44) and see someone who has grown infinitely stronger and braver just in the last few years. She hasn't become bitter in the least, and my father continues to adore her. This is true of many of the middle aged women I know. We all change with age, and some of those changes will be positive, others negative.
The 22-year-olds you're after now will be 40 someday. I guess you can never get married, or enter into a long-term partnership, lest your partner grow less "open-minded" (a quality you obviously possess in abundance!).
Not everyone has to want a long-term relationship (I'm not certain I see it for myself). But are you really going to keep chasing these 22-year-olds when you're 50? 60? Certainly, that's your call. But don't those guys always seem pathetic? They do to me.
You don't have to want to be with someone wise, experienced--someone of your generation. Maybe you'll always prefer young, enthusiastic women. But please don't use blanket statements about how by 40, I'll be "no fun to be around." I'm trying very hard to be reasoned in my responses, but I have to be blunt here: that's a revolting, presumptuous, insensitive thing to say.

Anyway, I can't stop you from having preferences, and I completely understand why almost all males would choose younger women. But the way you've been putting things often sounds kind of gross--at least, to some of us.
It's a sensitive topic for women. Heck, I'm not even in any of the groups you've insulted (I'm a young woman, and I, too, am underweight according to that chart).

Society is breathtakingly unfair in its treatment of men and women as they age. And even as a young woman, it terrifies me that I'll be considered "bitter and jaded," not to mention sexually undesirable by 40. As though being sexy and carefree is all I have to offer, and if those things go away, I'm nothing.
You've shown an impressive hypocrisy in your statements--one all too common in our culture. You've mentioned repeatedly that it's what's on the inside that matters, but don't seem to extend that same privilege to women. You don't want girls to make assumptions about you based on age, but heap assumptions on middle-aged women with an alarming zeal.
You talk about the trials of dating GIRLS my age:

Some girls my age are interested in men your age, and I can only speak for myself. But when I reject the advances of men old enough to be my father, it's not because I "ASSume" they don't have "hopes, dreams, fear of rejection, and love in [their] hearts." As I've stated, I think there's enormous value to be found in aging. I often enjoy spending time with my parents' friends--they can be fun to talk to, and bring another perspective. I don't doubt that men that age have feelings. But would I be interested in a relationship with one of them? No. I'm a student, and my life is very much based around the college. I want to be with someone who understands that, who's in a similar mindset.
And I enjoy sharing those little, generational memories with someone. It's nice to remember the same music, movies, books, and world events that shaped your childhood. Those things matter to me.
Obviously not all girls feel this way (completely fine by me! They're more than welcome to date who they like). But that's the perspective I'm coming from, and it's a valid one.

And it's upsetting that you would call girls like me judgmental for that. You think I should approach men of all ages with an open mind, because they may be good people and "it's what's on the inside that counts." But you're willing to make blanket judgements on women--happy to assume that they're bitter and lacking in fun. Consider that they, too, may have "hopes, dreams, fear of rejection, and love."

Mind you, I actually don't have a problem with age disparity (within reason). It's the way you talk about women that I've found very troubling.
You don't have to want to sleep with women your own age. But please don't say derisive things about them. Don't force personality traits on them. Discuss them with a little more respect. Consider, for a moment, that they have feelings and value.

I don't really log in anymore, and I don't really know who you are, but I just want to say that I like you. A lot.

[CreepingDeath]

I don't really log in anymore, and I don't really know who you are, but I just want to say that I like you. A lot.

Same. I really enjoyed that post.

[Aussie W/Heart]

Me too!!! Very well said..:thumbsup:

[jannieC]

I'm way hotter now (at 42) than I was when I was a young thang.

[BTFLCHLD]

Both of them, are mean, nasty, hateful creatures.err, are your bandmate's ladies in any way fans of fleetwood mac? :eek:

[mylittledemon]

I'm way hotter now (at 42) than I was when I was a young thang.


There is something sexier about an older woman who might not have that tight 18-year old body, but knows what she wants... and how she wants it. ;)

[LittleCharmer]

that tight 18-year old body

I don't know many 18 year-olds who have this, either. It's an untrue, media-created image. I'd wager there are just as many 40 year olds with great bodies, and likewise many 18 year-olds who do have a clear idea of what they want in a man.
Stereotypes get right on my wick :shrug:

[HomerMcvie]

err, are your bandmate's ladies in any way fans of fleetwood mac? :eek:

Not that I'm aware of. I avoid both of them(especially my drummer's!), at all costs. Homie's afraid of mean people! And my drummer's wife, could give HITLER lessons! Not.a.joke.

Bitch is f*cking crazy. She stops cops, in the street, and YELLS at them, that they're "driving too fast, and need to slow the f*ck down"....that's how she rolls. B*I*T*C*H**S*U*P*R*E*M*E*

^^^not a joke.

[HomerMcvie]

I'm way hotter now (at 42) than I was when I was a young thang.

It sounds weird, but me too! I'm hit on, ten times more, now, than when I was 21. And I never would have dreamed it, in my wildest dreams. Life, is a strange, yet wonderful, journey.:woohoo:

It's like I didn't blossom, until I was 41.....I guess I didn't.:confused::shocked::confused: And I had the most "productive" date, of my entire life, tonight(talking about our future). It's like I've been reborn, yet I'm still an atheist!:lol:

I'm literally in AWE of life, right now.:)

[BTFLCHLD]

Not that I'm aware of. well, just thought I'd mention as perhaps your bandmates'wives or whatever aren't aware of how their husbands really feel about them and your post could create domestic issues they aren't prepared for. that's all. :shrug:

[HejiraNYC]

I don't know many 18 year-olds who have this, either. It's an untrue, media-created image. I'd wager there are just as many 40 year olds with great bodies, and likewise many 18 year-olds who do have a clear idea of what they want in a man.
Stereotypes get right on my wick :shrug:

My assumption is that 18-year-olds generally don't work out or diet because... well... they're 18! In your 30's and 40's, you can either choose to allow yourself to go to seed, or you can choose to fight the effects of age, gravity and metabolism. So if you see a hottie-puh-tottie 40-year-old walking around, chances are, he/she is working very hard at it. Accordingly, they're probably going to have firmer/tighter/leaner/fitter bodies than the 18-year-old who eats junk and does not work out.

[ButterCookie]

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It's discussions, assumptions and accusations like these that make women "bitter". As if we need horribly misogynistic men yacking down our ears about how 'fat' we are, how 'crummy' our cooking is, telling us our houses aren't clean. When something is repeated enough times it 'becomes truth'. So each time a derogatory post about middle aged women is made, it roots itself deeper into the mind of the woman reading it (in some cases, this is. I know the majority of the women here are rightfully self confident and wouldn't believe such lies) and she begins to believe that she's fat and that she can't cook. And hey presto, you've damaged her possibly beyond repair.

Homer, have you ever stopped to think what kinda crap your drummer gives or has given his wife in the past? Or if her family have ground her down so much that she feels she has to put up a front which makes you now describe her as able to give lessons to Hitler? There are reasons for everything. I used to be so aggressive it was unreal but it was because I had a crummy home life and was fighting battles with myself over a million and one things at once, all caused because I was scared to death of how people perceive me. I'm not a beeotch for the fun of it.

My dad is in his mid 40's somewhere and he cheated on my mum with one of his pupils (he's a driving instructor). I don't speak to him now, not solely because of this, but it contributes. He was in a position of care and he outright abused it. I know that most 40+ men aren't in these positions of care but those 20 year old girls are young enough to be your daughters. Imagine if you did have a 20 y/o daughter and she came home with a 40 year old? You'd probably kick him out of the house and down the street before grounding her and telling her to be more sensible. This paragraph isn't aimed at just Homer, btw.

Also, can I just point out. I'd rather sleep with a woman like Joan Jett than most girls my own age. She's experienced but not bittered, she's wise, she's more toned than any under 25's I've seen lately and I bet she wouldn't lie like a corpse in the bedroom :)

[DefDumbandBlond]

Completely agree Georgie. ^

Nice last bit there too ;) Oddly the few women that I am attracted to *not pointing fingers at a certain Miss Harry in my signature there <img src="http://i56.tinypic.com/149v8r4.gif">* aren't near my age either.

[RickRobert]

Great post Georgie, with you 100% :nod:

Nice last bit there too ;) Oddly the few women that I am attracted to *not pointing fingers at a certain Miss Harry in my signature there <img src="http://i56.tinypic.com/149v8r4.gif">* aren't near my age either.

I feel the same way, with girls I'm attracted to it probably ranges from 16 up to the late 60's, but with dudes it's mostly in the 30's/40's :shrug:

[HejiraNYC]

It's discussions, assumptions and accusations like these that make women "bitter". As if we need horribly misogynistic men yacking down our ears about how 'fat' we are, how 'crummy' our cooking is, telling us our houses aren't clean. When something is repeated enough times it 'becomes truth'. So each time a derogatory post about middle aged women is made, it roots itself deeper into the mind of the woman reading it (in some cases, this is. I know the majority of the women here are rightfully self confident and wouldn't believe such lies) and she begins to believe that she's fat and that she can't cook. And hey presto, you've damaged her possibly beyond repair.

Homer, have you ever stopped to think what kinda crap your drummer gives or has given his wife in the past? Or if her family have ground her down so much that she feels she has to put up a front which makes you now describe her as able to give lessons to Hitler? There are reasons for everything. I used to be so aggressive it was unreal but it was because I had a crummy home life and was fighting battles with myself over a million and one things at once, all caused because I was scared to death of how people perceive me. I'm not a beeotch for the fun of it.

My dad is in his mid 40's somewhere and he cheated on my mum with one of his pupils (he's a driving instructor). I don't speak to him now, not solely because of this, but it contributes. He was in a position of care and he outright abused it. I know that most 40+ men aren't in these positions of care but those 20 year old girls are young enough to be your daughters. Imagine if you did have a 20 y/o daughter and she came home with a 40 year old? You'd probably kick him out of the house and down the street before grounding her and telling her to be more sensible. This paragraph isn't aimed at just Homer, btw.

Also, can I just point out. I'd rather sleep with a woman like Joan Jett than most girls my own age. She's experienced but not bittered, she's wise, she's more toned than any under 25's I've seen lately and I bet she wouldn't lie like a corpse in the bedroom :)

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with what you said, but you can't deny that Homer speaks from a place of truth- his truth- and his posts were not meant to inflame or offend others maliciously. You can either go through life with blinders on and assume that everyone appreciates internal beauty as much as external beauty and that age is age-less. But that's not realistic; everyone has their likes and dislikes, and everyone places different values on different traits. If anything, the real issue here is how/why some women choose to internalize the opinions of other people. Why can't we all just agree to disagree on matters that are highly subjective? Just because Homer is the only one to vocalize (text-ize?) his opinions doesn't mean he is the only who shares those views. The reality is that many (if not most) men prefer younger women, even if they are less sophisticated or worldly. As Patty Stanger (The Millionaire Matchmaker) often says, "The penis does the picking." It's in the DNA- the desire to mate with someone who is fertile and has a better chance of successfully producing offspring. And for whatever reason, the female of the species "dries up" faster than the male of the species, e.g., Rod Stewart being a new father in his sixties (shudders). Accordingly, the sexual allure of the female expires much more quickly than the male's. I'm not writing the rules; I'm just telling it like it is. Reality sucks, and women have an especially brutal road to travel as they age. It's not sheer coincidence that women are still the primary consumers of cosmetic surgical procedures.

[HomerMcvie]

and your post could create domestic issues they aren't prepared for. that's all. :shrug:

They have no clue of the Ledge(afaik), or my identity here, even if they did. They just know I'm a big FM fan, period. I did just realize that my picture of Cash, would be a dead giveaway, though...

Even though we're all friendLY, we're not really friends(as in, we don't hang out together - the 2 to 3 weekends a month, we play together, is enough! :laugh: ).

[skcin]

Maybe I am full of sh*t? Opinions vary. It DOES seem like you're looking for an argument, though. I WILL say this.

Do you know the main difference in a 20yo woman, versus a 40yo woman? The former is almost always open minded, fun loving, and carefree. The latter is often bitter, jaded, argumentative, and very little fun to be around. Not pointing any fingers, just sayin'...you DO seem to be taking my preferences, personally.
Little chub? I'd say up to 20lbs over their ideal weight.

Yes, I'm interested in a long term relationship. No kids, though. Bleck.

No, the 19yo is just a friend, that we'd both considered taking it to another level. We BOTH decided that it wasn't the right thing. I was relieved, to be honest.

I am seriously dating the 23yo. However, a grad student has very little free time, and I'm being held to about 2 dates a week. I AM a very impatient person, but I'm slowly learning self restraint.

These are your opinions, dude, yet you write them as fact. My opinion is that it's pretty f*cked up to think that way & make mass assumptions based on a few people you know. If you made these same type of blanket stereotypical assumptions about black people, Asian people, whoever based on your personal experience with 2 or 3 of them, you'd be a racist. Just saying. :shrug:


And I'm a 35 year old who has a better body that I did when I was 20 so I have nothing to be bitter about, only to be proud of. :D I'm healthy, in shape & in a happy, monogamous long-term relationship with my husband. Is he attracted to 20 year olds? Of course, what man wouldn't be? But he bangs me, despite that fact that I'm a bitter, over the hill harpy according to your standards.

I think what's bugging me about your posts is that I was under the impression that you wanted to find love. It's just that I don't think that's going to happen by serial dating younger chicks you meet at the bar. If all you want is a good time & to feel attractive (which you're equating to thin, but that's a whole other topic) then you're all set I guess. But I swore I remember you posting in the past that you're lonely & want to find the right person - no?

The reason I asked about the 23 year old is if you're serious about her, why are you still dating other chicks, like the 19 year old you "drew the line" at?


^^^^
According to that chart, I am NOT overweight, I'm just too short. I really should be about 7'5" instead of 6'.

You're just short for your weight. :nod:

PEOPLE AGE. We all do. In the next twenty years, I will grow older, wiser, more experienced. Maybe I will become more bitter--I have no idea! But I'll also know myself better, and be less inhibited. I look at my mother (age 44) and see someone who has grown infinitely stronger and braver just in the last few years. She hasn't become bitter in the least, and my father continues to adore her. This is true of many of the middle aged women I know. We all change with age, and some of those changes will be positive, others negative.
The 22-year-olds you're after now will be 40 someday. I guess you can never get married, or enter into a long-term partnership, lest your partner grow less "open-minded" (a quality you obviously possess in abundance!).
Not everyone has to want a long-term relationship (I'm not certain I see it for myself). But are you really going to keep chasing these 22-year-olds when you're 50? 60? Certainly, that's your call. But don't those guys always seem pathetic? They do to me.
You don't have to want to be with someone wise, experienced--someone of your generation. Maybe you'll always prefer young, enthusiastic women. But please don't use blanket statements about how by 40, I'll be "no fun to be around." I'm trying very hard to be reasoned in my responses, but I have to be blunt here: that's a revolting, presumptuous, insensitive thing to say.Anyway, I can't stop you from having preferences, and I completely understand why almost all males would choose younger women. But the way you've been putting things often sounds kind of gross--at least, to some of us.
It's a sensitive topic for women. Heck, I'm not even in any of the groups you've insulted (I'm a young woman, and I, too, am underweight according to that chart).

Society is breathtakingly unfair in its treatment of men and women as they age. And even as a young woman, it terrifies me that I'll be considered "bitter and jaded," not to mention sexually undesirable by 40. As though being sexy and carefree is all I have to offer, and if those things go away, I'm nothing.
You've shown an impressive hypocrisy in your statements--one all too common in our culture. You've mentioned repeatedly that it's what's on the inside that matters, but don't seem to extend that same privilege to women. You don't want girls to make assumptions about you based on age, but heap assumptions on middle-aged women with an alarming zeal.
You talk about the trials of dating GIRLS my age:

Some girls my age are interested in men your age, and I can only speak for myself. But when I reject the advances of men old enough to be my father, it's not because I "ASSume" they don't have "hopes, dreams, fear of rejection, and love in [their] hearts." As I've stated, I think there's enormous value to be found in aging. I often enjoy spending time with my parents' friends--they can be fun to talk to, and bring another perspective. I don't doubt that men that age have feelings. But would I be interested in a relationship with one of them? No. I'm a student, and my life is very much based around the college. I want to be with someone who understands that, who's in a similar mindset.
And I enjoy sharing those little, generational memories with someone. It's nice to remember the same music, movies, books, and world events that shaped your childhood. Those things matter to me.
Obviously not all girls feel this way (completely fine by me! They're more than welcome to date who they like). But that's the perspective I'm coming from, and it's a valid one.

And it's upsetting that you would call girls like me judgmental for that. You think I should approach men of all ages with an open mind, because they may be good people and "it's what's on the inside that counts." But you're willing to make blanket judgements on women--happy to assume that they're bitter and lacking in fun. Consider that they, too, may have "hopes, dreams, fear of rejection, and love."

Mind you, I actually don't have a problem with age disparity (within reason). It's the way you talk about women that I've found very troubling.
You don't have to want to sleep with women your own age. But please don't say derisive things about them. Don't force personality traits on them. Discuss them with a little more respect. Consider, for a moment, that they have feelings and value.

You're a bit of a genius. :xoxo:


So, maybe I've only met the bitter ones...I'm sure there are some good ones out there, but the odds increase, seemingly exponentially, that age breeds bitterness.

Like I said, maybe you're hanging around with the wrong people in the wrong places.

I'm way hotter now (at 42) than I was when I was a young thang.

And good for you for it!

It sounds weird, but me too! I'm hit on, ten times more, now, than when I was 21. And I never would have dreamed it, in my wildest dreams. Life, is a strange, yet wonderful, journey.:woohoo:

It's like I didn't blossom, until I was 41.....I guess I didn't.And I had the most "productive" date, of my entire life, tonight(talking about our future). It's like I've been reborn, yet I'm still an atheist!:lol:

I'm literally in AWE of life, right now.:)

That's so cool, that you could have this awesome life - you know, at your advanced age. It's a miracle. Thank God you're a man. :laugh:


Also, can I just point out. I'd rather sleep with a woman like Joan Jett than most girls my own age. She's experienced but not bittered, she's wise, she's more toned than any under 25's I've seen lately and I bet she wouldn't lie like a corpse in the bedroom :)

:thumbsup:



Looks like some of the youngsters here agree with me - are they taking it personally too? Just curious.

[mezzoforte]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with what you said, but you can't deny that Homer speaks from a place of truth- his truth- and his posts were not meant to inflame or offend others maliciously. You can either go through life with blinders on and assume that everyone appreciates internal beauty as much as external beauty and that age is age-less. But that's not realistic; everyone has their likes and dislikes, and everyone places different values on different traits. If anything, the real issue here is how/why some women choose to internalize the opinions of other people. Why can't we all just agree to disagree on matters that are highly subjective? Just because Homer is the only one to vocalize (text-ize?) his opinions doesn't mean he is the only who shares those views. The reality is that many (if not most) men prefer younger women, even if they are less sophisticated or worldly. As Patty Stanger (The Millionaire Matchmaker) often says, "The penis does the picking." It's in the DNA- the desire to mate with someone who is fertile and has a better chance of successfully producing offspring. And for whatever reason, the female of the species "dries up" faster than the male of the species, e.g., Rod Stewart being a new father in his sixties (shudders). Accordingly, the sexual allure of the female expires much more quickly than the male's. I'm not writing the rules; I'm just telling it like it is. Reality sucks, and women have an especially brutal road to travel as they age. It's not sheer coincidence that women are still the primary consumers of cosmetic surgical procedures.

I don't think anyone has denied that basic truth--that mother nature compels men to seek out fertile (and thus, younger) women. I don't hold his biology against him (although the disparity of the ages of his conquests is borderline skeevy to me).
But yes, he's hardly the only middle-aged man to be interested in young girls, and I haven't seen any posts that implied he is.
Buttercookie DID point out that many fathers of teenage girls are in their forties, and would not be thrilled at their daughters dating men of their age, and that it's irresponsible for men in positions of care to carry on with subordinates. Would you really argue with that? Pretty factual, no?

But I'm probably getting more controversial here.
Even given that all men are attracted to fertility, I think dating a girl young enough to be your daughter is pushing it. I'm not speaking specifically about Homer, here. But those college aged years are so important, I think. I know I've changed and matured a great deal just in the last two years. I think it's irresponsible for a 40-year-old to pull a 19-year-old into his world. It's robbing her of a part of her youth (again, not talking about Homer. I realize he didn't take it farther with the 19yo). It makes her the subordinate in the relationship, and lessens her opportunities to grow at her her own rate.

My parents started dating when my mother was 17, my father 24. Mum came from an enormously dysfunctional household, had monumental daddy issues, and by her own admission, was seeking a father figure. My father was a business school grad, working in banking, and hanging out with other young professionals. She was definitely more mature and experienced than your average teen--she'd been working and largely supporting herself through school. But even thought they're very happily married, she's told me she feels like she missed those years. She went to college, but lived with my father, didn't make college friends, and spent her time hanging out with people much older than herself (obviously 7 years isn't a huge gap in your forties, but it's considerable in terms of life experience the younger party is a teenager. Though she's very happy now, Mum has told me she can't help but be a bit jealous that I get to experience these years.

That's just one story--by no means is it representative. I'm trying to point out, though, that large age disparities can be harmful.
Again, I completely, totally get why older men are attracted to younger women. I'm just illustrating the perspective I'm coming from, and why I see it as problematic.

But I guess that's a slightly different topic. I'm less concerned with the preference for young girls than I am with the way older women are discussed. Because while the former is completely expected, and decreed by Mother Nature, the latter is offensive, careless, and and completely unnecessary.
The descriptions of women's personalities as we age have been sexist. I don't think we take sexism as seriously as racism or homophobia, and I wish I knew why.

What I and others have been offended by is the way he's stated his preferences. Whether intentional or not, his posts were inflammatory. Surely, it's offensive to say that "the odds increase, seemingly exponentially, that age breeds bitterness" (but only in women?). Or that 40-year-old women are generally "bitter, jaded, argumentative, and very little fun to be around."

There's a difference between not being attracted to older women, and declaring that we decay internally and externally as we age.

Buttercookie's post, quite rightly, pointed out that many women are made bitter by the men in their lives, or the criticisms women are subjected to.
It's possible that his bandmates' wives have always been wretched shrews (which I doubt--surely their husbands saw something they loved at one point). But in most bad marriages, there is fault on both sides. And there are many, many lovely women married to abusive, angry, or just loser husbands.
So perhaps it's worth considering that there's variety beyond his test group of...2 women.

So I guess I'm an embittered young woman. Certainly not in all areas, but yes--I'm bitter that I've been given an expiration date. So there you are--1 bitter young woman. You're halfway to being able to judge us all!

Homer, you've expressed a desire to move on from the topic. And indeed, I think we'll always disagree. But since you've offended multiple people, I would say the best way to end it is to apologize. If not for your basic views, for the fact that others were offended. Isn't that reason enough?

[HomerMcvie]

Why can't we all just agree to disagree on matters that are highly subjective? Just because Homer is the only one to vocalize (text-ize?) his opinions doesn't mean he is the only who shares those views. The reality is that many (if not most) men prefer younger women, even if they are less sophisticated or worldly.

And I fully realized that my posting my feelings, wasn't going to be a popular position, especially on this board. I'm just being honest. I DID mean what I said, though, that many older women, tend to be...well,....sort of...... bi*ches. :sorry: Very unhappy people. I'm a very happy guy, and honestly, I'd rather be alone, than have to surround myself with negativity. YES, I GET, THAT NOT EVERY WOMAN IS LIKE THIS.
I do think we SHOULD just agree to disagree. Honestly, I'm on cloud nine right now, and just want to enjoy the excellent place that I'm in, right now.:angel:

[HomerMcvie]

But since you've offended multiple people, I would say the best way to end it is to apologize. If not for your basic views, for the fact that others were offended. Isn't that reason enough?

I will NOT apologize, for expressing my opinions, and experiences. This IS Chit Chat, and I'm only honestly expressing my opinions. If you don't like them, IGNORE them. GOD f*cking forbid, that a man gives his honest opinion. Because we've been silent long enough, living under this PC regime!(I was dying to use Rush's "f-N" quote, but I'll leave that one for Rush).;)

[skcin]

And I fully realized that my posting my feelings, wasn't going to be a popular position, especially on this board. I'm just being honest. I DID mean what I said, though, that many older women, tend to be...well,....sort of...... bi*ches. :sorry: Very unhappy people. I'm a very happy guy, and honestly, I'd rather be alone, than have to surround myself with negativity. YES, I GET, THAT NOT EVERY WOMAN IS LIKE THIS. I do think we SHOULD just agree to disagree. Honestly, I'm on cloud nine right now, and just want to enjoy the excellent place that I'm in, right now.:angel:

Thank you! :laugh: Finally!

[HomerMcvie]

Is he attracted to 20 year olds? Of course, what man wouldn't be? But he bangs me, despite that fact that I'm a bitter, over the hill harpy according to your standards.

It's just that I don't think that's going to happen by serial dating younger chicks you meet at the bar. If all you want is a good time & to feel attractive (which you're equating to thin, but that's a whole other topic) then you're all set I guess. But I swore I remember you posting in the past that you're lonely & want to find the right person - no?

The reason I asked about the 23 year old is if you're serious about her, why are you still dating other chicks, like the 19 year old you "drew the line" at?

That's so cool, that you could have this awesome life - you know, at your advanced age. It's a miracle. Thank God you're a man. :laugh:


Looks like some of the youngsters here agree with me - are they taking it personally too? Just curious.
Well, as long as he's not taping pictures to the headboard, I guess you're good to go.


This one, never goes to bars. Never. We were dating a year ago. And I'm not the one, that put it back together. And I was very apprehensive about it(about me being a yo-yo, again), so I was still dating others. Not anymore, because things are starting to get more serious. Last night's date, was incredible(no, not sexually. Emotionally.).

I know! Grandpa nails a hottie! Fortunately, Grandpa's at the top of his game.:cool: Grandpa got guessed as 25, on Saturday night!

I don't pretend to be able to pander to mass appeal. Only stating my preferences. Which clearly get under your skcin.;)

[skcin]

Well, as long as he's not taping pictures to the headboard, I guess you're good to go.


This one, never goes to bars. Never. We were dating a year ago. And I'm not the one, that put it back together. And I was very apprehensive about it(about me being a yo-yo, again), so I was still dating others. Not anymore, because things are starting to get more serious. Last night's date, was incredible(no, not sexually. Emotionally.).

I know! Grandpa nails a hottie! Fortunately, Grandpa's at the top of his game.:cool: Grandpa got guessed as 25, on Saturday night!

I don't pretend to be able to pander to mass appeal. Only stating my preferences. Which clearly get under your skcin.;)

1) No, he keeps them under the bed. Cuz he's classy like that.
2) That's great. You might want to stop making dates with others then.
3) My husband gets carded & looks 19. :shrug: Yay for him? I guess? He doesn't need that to boost his ego.
4) Your preferences don't bother me at all, truly they don't. However, your sexist & agist (is that word? ageist?) comments do. I hope you finally find happiness withe the right girl.

[HomerMcvie]

1) No, he keeps them under the bed. Cuz he's classy like that.
2) That's great. You might want to stop making dates with others then.
3) My husband gets carded & looks 19. :shrug: Yay for him? I guess? He doesn't need that to boost his ego.
4) Your preferences don't bother me at all, truly they don't. However, your sexist & agist (is that word? ageist?) comments do. I hope you finally find happiness withe the right girl.
1) A vivid imagination, is crucial.
2) Like I said, I'm not dating anyone else. I wouldn't even consider it now.
3)Good for Mark(?,if memory serves). Better that, than offering him a senior discount!
4)I'm as ageist as they come. More so concerning myself, than anyone. I threw away a decade of my life, and I'm reclaiming every minute of it!

[mezzoforte]

I will NOT apologize, for expressing my opinions, and experiences. This IS Chit Chat, and I'm only honestly expressing my opinions. If you don't like them, IGNORE them. GOD f*cking forbid, that a man gives his honest opinion. Because we've been silent long enough, living under this PC regime!(I was dying to use Rush's "f-N" quote, but I'll leave that one for Rush).;)

DUDE. Saying that women tend to be bitches is hate speech. Compare it to saying that black people tend to be unintelligent criminals, or gay people tend to be effeminate wimps. I'm not a PC-crazy, but making offensive, stereotypical generalizations is not okay. It just isn't.

And anyway, I didn't even ask you to apologize for voicing your opinions, reprehensible as I find them. I asked you to apologize for having offended people. I didn't say you had to take anything back-- a simple "I'm sorry I said something that was hurtful to others." Isn't that a basic law we're supposed to master by age three? You hurt someone, you apologize.

But it doesn't seem like that will happen, and I feel pretty stupid, actually, for letting a 3-year-old rattle me. So I'm stepping away.