DISCUSSION: Other Stevie songs not already considered

[MacShadowsBall]

The last discussion thread has arrived!! :)

Nominate up to 10 songs to battle in a Favorite Stevie "extra" song poll.

No demos
No solo recordings
No "Stand Back"
No live versions of previously released songs
Songs must be Fleetwood Mac songs

I'm staying logged on tonight - got a question, just ask! :wavey:

[Artemis]

Silver Springs and No Questions Asked are the only ones I can think of...

OH, Paper Doll.

Not Make Believe.

Sweet Girl?

[LiquidDiamonds]

The last discussion thread has arrived!! :)

Nominate up to 10 songs to battle in a Favorite Stevie "extra" song poll.

No demos
No solo recordings
No "Stand Back"
No live versions of previously released songs
Songs must be Fleetwood Mac songs

I'm staying logged on tonight - got a question, just ask! :wavey:

Does Silver Springs from The Dance count as a live version of a previously released song? This one song could be debatable because it was released as a b-side to Go Your Own Way. I prefer The Dance version.

[MacShadowsBall]

Silver Springs and No Questions Asked are the only ones I can think of...

OH, Paper Doll.

Not Make Believe.

Sweet Girl?

Sweet Girl counts since it was a new song.

Does Silver Springs from The Dance count as a live version of a previously released song? This one song could be debatable because it was released as a b-side to Go Your Own Way. I prefer The Dance version.

The original B-side version of "Silver Springs" counts.

[LiquidDiamonds]

Fireflies
Silver Springs
Sweet Girl
No Questions Asked


I am not of fan of Paper Doll or NMB

[tilthefirefades]

Fireflies! My absolute favorite song of all time. It embodies everything that Fleetwood Mac is: gorgeous harmonies, superb songwriting, and internal controversy. To me it's kind of The Chain part 2, and could have been a staple song just like The Chain. I'll never get why they haven't played it on all their tours.

[vivfox]

Fireflies! I'll never get why they haven't played it on all their tours.


Probably 'cause people really want to hear it.:laugh:

[MacShadowsBall]

Here's what we got so far...

1. No Questions Asked
2. Silver Springs (original version)
3. Paper Doll
4. Not Make Believe
5. Sweet Girl
6. Fireflies

What else?

[HejiraNYC]

I personally consider the Rumours deluxe versions of "Planets of the Universe" and "Think About It" as fully produced final tracks (not demos). And since they were recorded before their solo counterparts, I think they merit consideration. Plus they are vastly different from the solo versions.

Speaking of "Silver Springs," I think it's a shame that the Dance version is not up for consideration since I think it stands a good chance of winning the whole shooting match while the original... not so much. Perhaps an exception should be made in this one instance.

[aleuzzi]

I personally consider the Rumours deluxe versions of "Planets of the Universe" and "Think About It" as fully produced final tracks (not demos). And since they were recorded before their solo counterparts, I think they merit consideration. Plus they are vastly different from the solo versions.

Speaking of "Silver Springs," I think it's a shame that the Dance version is not up for consideration since I think it stands a good chance of winning the whole shooting match while the original... not so much. Perhaps an exception should be made in this one instance.

I agree on Silver Springs. The Dance version is, in many ways, THE version of that song. Yes, it almost made it on to Rumours but the song itself did not come into its own until 1997 when it served as the centerpiece of the reunion tour.

Don't know what to think about Planets and Think About it. Yes, both of those "roughs" are pretty darn close to being album worthy, IMO. But both of these songs became solo vehicles in ways that surpass the originals just as the 1997 Silver Springs does its counterpart.

[LiquidDiamonds]

I agree on Silver Springs. The Dance version is, in many ways, THE version of that song. Yes, it almost made it on to Rumours but the song itself did not come into its own until 1997 when it served as the centerpiece of the reunion tour..

I concur! I think this needs some further consideration.

[MacShadowsBall]

I personally consider the Rumours deluxe versions of "Planets of the Universe" and "Think About It" as fully produced final tracks (not demos). And since they were recorded before their solo counterparts, I think they merit consideration. Plus they are vastly different from the solo versions.

Speaking of "Silver Springs," I think it's a shame that the Dance version is not up for consideration since I think it stands a good chance of winning the whole shooting match while the original... not so much. Perhaps an exception should be made in this one instance.

I agree on Silver Springs. The Dance version is, in many ways, THE version of that song. Yes, it almost made it on to Rumours but the song itself did not come into its own until 1997 when it served as the centerpiece of the reunion tour.

Don't know what to think about Planets and Think About it. Yes, both of those "roughs" are pretty darn close to being album worthy, IMO. But both of these songs became solo vehicles in ways that surpass the originals just as the 1997 Silver Springs does its counterpart.

As far as "Silver Springs" goes, we can do a 1 day poll pitting both versions against each other, with the winning version moving on to the Favorite Stevie "extra" song poll. Like a "Thanksgiving Day Battle of Silver Springs" poll.

As far as "Planet of the Universe" and "Think About It" I wouldn't mind counting them for Stevie, but Lindsey had a few similiar song/demos that were on a deluxe edition of Rumours and Tusk, and those became ineligible.

[kokoro]

As far as "Silver Springs" goes, we can do a 1 day poll pitting both versions against each other, with the winning version moving on to the Favorite Stevie "extra" song poll. Like a "Thanksgiving Day Battle of Silver Springs" poll.

I really question putting The Dance version of Silver Springs into the countdown for extra songs. There'd really be no point in even having a poll because there's no question that it would absolutely slaughter the others. :shrug:

[vivfox]

One More Big Time Rock And Roll Star & Garbo were B-sides.

[Artemis]

But they were Stevie solo songs, right Viv?

On the issue of Silver Springs, I don't see why "Silver Springs" can't count for both versions. If you want to get picky, "Silver Springs [Original B Side]" and "Silver Springs [The Dance]" would do, since there are fans of both versions and it fills up two spots.

Or something. I'm rambling.

[Meowi]

I reckon fireflies...
Silver Springs has had way more appearances lately. We even had Kate Hudson singing it!
Fireflies needs some attention too! :angel:

[chiliD]

A BIG thumbs down on The Dance version of "Silver Springs"...mainly because it is on a live album (and from what I surmise from this series of polls, we're not counting live albums or live versions of songs).

The original B-side version of "Silver Springs"? Yes, definitely. It wasn't on any album (except The Chain box set) so, therefore it meets the criteria for this series of polls.

[RickRobert]

A BIG thumbs down on The Dance version of "Silver Springs"...mainly because it is on a live album (and from what I surmise from this series of polls, we're not counting live albums or live versions of songs).

The original B-side version of "Silver Springs"? Yes, definitely. It wasn't on any album (except The Chain box set) so, therefore it meets the criteria for this series of polls.

How different is the original B-side version to the one that ended up on the remastered Rumours? I've heard the Chain box set version and I think the only difference I noticed was that the harmonies carried on throughout the final choruses/outro, while they cut out for a bit in the Rumours version.

[Nikolaj]

It may hurt everybody's everything, but how about tossing 'Not Make Believe' in? I can't say it's her best song, but I don't get all the hating the song sometimes gets, I think it's a good track.
And I get 'it hurts my everything.' I would.

[michelej1]

It may hurt everybody's everything, but how about tossing 'Not Make Believe' in? I can't say it's her best song, but I don't get all the hating the song sometimes gets, I think it's a good track.
And I get 'it hurts my everything.' I would.

I think the song has excellent, evocative qualities. The chorus seems to be what's killer for me. It almost sounds like it's going against the rest of the song somehow. And the lyrics are, to me, moving.

The "it hurts my everything" line is stupid. Yet, I think it fits the message of someone you've known for a very long time being able to push the precise button that will make you feel like a vulnerable child again, no matter what you've accomplished in life. It's a juvenile phrasing to match a description of child like hurt.

On the other hand, I think there's a certain power in the words, "not make believe then" because I can almost hear the speaker saying, "That magic I had over you, back then? It was real and I've still got it. Pretend like it didn't happen and wasn't powerful if you want, but it wasn't -- it's not -- illusion. Not make believe."

Certainly this song is album worthy and I think it's worlds better than Silver Girl or RTTG.

Michele

[Nikolaj]

^ Yes, definitely! You're right again and said it well. I never knew what it was that I liked about 'Not Make Believe', I just knew that I did like it, quite a lot.
I think now I know why, thanks to you. Totally agree that it's more album worthy than the 2 songs you mentioned.
I don't dislike it tons, but 'Running Through The Garden' always made me picture tomatoes squishing between her toes, falling, and confining her evermore to Reeboks.
Probably not the kind of garden she meant.

[billwebster]

Does "Twisted" qualify here, since both Lindsey Buckingham and Mick Fleetwood appear on it?

"Paper Doll", "Sweet Girl" and "Not Make Believe" are very good songs that should have been more prominent on albums.

[MacShadowsBall]

To clarify, "Silver Springs" already won Favorite Stevie extra song. The only poll left open is the one for Favorite song from Say you will and that closes in 2 hours. No other songs are up for consideration.