2011 Fleetwood Mac Tour?

[Fannymac]

KLOS said Irving Azoff had made a comment about the upcoming Van Halen and Fleetwood Mac tours in 2011...shouldn't Stevie be touring SOLO in 2011 to promote her new SOLO album??

[chiliD]

No rule on the books that says that BOTH can't happen in the same year. :shrug: No need to pole vault into those conclusions (since obviously "jumping" is way to small)

She may do "some shows" after her album is released. I seriously doubt that Fleetwood Mac is going to go on one of their long grueling tours like they did in 2003. Stevie's album will be out in March (*fingers crossed*), she can tour from then til June. The Fleetwood Mac tour may not start until August or September...or even later....even if Fleetwood Mac starts their tour in December of 2011, that's STILL 2011.

[MacShadowsBall]

I don't see the point in another FM tour if they don't put out a new album. Otherwise its just a repeat of the last tour. Otherwise its just a repeat of the last tour. Otherwise its just a repeat...:lol: ;)

[chiliD]

I don't see the point in another FM tour if they don't put out a new album. Otherwise its just a repeat of the last tour. Otherwise its just a repeat of the last tour. Otherwise its just a repeat...:lol: ;)

Maybe an album is in the works already...other than being at the US Open, we haven't heard of Lindsey doing anything...and since the Mick Fleetwood Blues Band just disappeared off the tour schedule, Mick's apparently "MIA", maybe they've been secretly recording tracks for the new album...maybe the whole "solo album with Dave Stewart" is just a smokescreen for the new Fleetwood Mac album. :shrug:

(damn, I love conspiracy theories! :lol:)

[TrueFaith77]

Maybe an album is in the works already...other than being at the US Open, we haven't heard of Lindsey doing anything...and since the Mick Fleetwood Blues Band just disappeared off the tour schedule, Mick's apparently "MIA", maybe they've been secretly recording tracks for the new album...maybe the whole "solo album with Dave Stewart" is just a smokescreen for the new Fleetwood Mac album. :shrug:

(damn, I love conspiracy theories! :lol:)

or the whole "get together in the studio and make music" thing is out the window and they'll be following the Say You Will model, with minimal Stevie time in the studio.

It worked great on the last album as far as I'm concerned.

[MacShadowsBall]

Lindsey, John, and Mick have been laying low this year - maybe they bumped Stevie out the band and going with the "Men of Mac" thing that was talked about a while back...;)

Maybe there all in England recording a new FM album with Christine! OMG!!!:]

Bekka Bramlett? Now there's an idea! :eek:

[TrueFaith77]

Lindsey, John, and Mick have been laying low this year - maybe they bumped Stevie out the band and going with the "Men of Mac" thing that was talked about a while back...;)

Maybe there all in England recording a new FM album with Christine! OMG!!!:]

Bekka Bramlett? Now there's an idea! :eek:

That's fine. If Stevie don't get on board, she should left behind. (Who she thinks she is? Peter Hook?)

Still sound like a chiffonhead?



ETA: not that there's anything wrong with that

[MissLadyLoki]

Maybe an album is in the works already...other than being at the US Open, we haven't heard of Lindsey doing anything...and since the Mick Fleetwood Blues Band just disappeared off the tour schedule, Mick's apparently "MIA", maybe they've been secretly recording tracks for the new album...maybe the whole "solo album with Dave Stewart" is just a smokescreen for the new Fleetwood Mac album. :shrug:

(damn, I love conspiracy theories! :lol:)

And the prize for best conspiracy theory goes to ChiliD! :lol:

Anyways, I hate to say it, but anything is possible. That whole Dave Stewart thing could be that he maybe was a guest on a few songs on a full-fledged FM album, and that the "Stevie solo album" might just be an elaborate cover.

[chiliD]

Well, after all, there WAS talk back during the 2008 tour that when it came to doing the next album they'd get an outside producer to oversee the production. Maybe Dave & Stevie are doing tracks as an experiment to see how they work together as a kind of "audition" for the Fleetwood Mac producer's chair. (especially since Stevie wasn't all that happy in retrospect with Lindsey's handling of SYW) :thumbsup:

[chiliD]

That's fine. If Stevie don't get on board, she should left behind. (Who she thinks she is? Peter Hook?)

Still sound like a chiffonhead?



:eek: Ok, ok, I'm :sorry: I called you a "chiffonhead"...but that WAS a stereotypical "chiffonhead" comment you made at the Lindsey Forum. You have to at least admit to that. ;)

[Dr.Brown]

Better throw this in before things get a little too heated...:angel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLrTPrp-fW8
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[MacShadowsBall]

First of, I'm assuming that some people are more "Stevie Nicks" fans than "Fleetwood Mac" fans and vice versa. I know my mom is a Stevie fan, but doesn't really care for FM, even Stevie's songs w/FM except for "Gypsy" - a song that reminds my mom of a friend of her's that ill with cancer in a nursing home.

With that said, wouldn't the ruse of a solo Stevie album really being a full FM project upset her solo fans, those that love Stevie and not FM? :shrug:

[chiliD]

With that said, wouldn't the ruse of a solo Stevie album really being a full FM project upset her solo fans, those that love Stevie and not FM? :shrug:

Being of the "Fleetwood Mac more, much, much, much more, than Stevie Nicks" persuasion...I don't really care. :nod::D Gimme a FMac album!

(I've always been a "band first" kinda guy)

[Villavic]

No rule on the books that says that BOTH can't happen in the same year. .

Both FM and la Nicks tours on 2011? I don't see that coming.
Stevie is in her 60s.. it's too hard for a singer at that age to go on the road too long. She was already tired when I see them in Dallas last year.

[michelej1]

[Here's a press release. No new info, just thought it might be relevant to the Azoff comments]

Irving Azoff Joins Clear Channel Board

October 4, 2010
Live Nation Executive Chairman Irving Azoff has joined the Board of Directors for Clear Channel, according to a filing with the SEC late Friday. Azoff replaces Kent R. Weldon, a partner at Thomas H. Lee Partners, on Clear Channel's board. THL Partners is, of course, one of the two private equity firms that now own Clear Channel. According to the New York Times, Weldon stepped down from Clear Channel's board to make room for Azoff.

Azoff discussed the state of Live Nation at a meeting organized by Liberty Media. USA Today reports that Azoff is optimistic about 2011's concert offerings, citing planned tours by the cast of Glee, Van Halen, Avril Lavigne, Christina Aguilera and Fleetwood Mac.

Azoff also talked about Live Nation's further involvement in merchandise and other items beyond the concert ticket, saying, "We intend to become the Amazon of the music business." Last week, Barry Diller resigned as Chairman of Live Nation. While there were rumors of clashes between Azoff and Diller, Azoff said on Twitter that "It was always Barry Diller's intention to step down from LNE COB during first year after TM/LN merger. I look forward to continue to work with him during his time on the board. I thank him for the many years of dedication and loyalty to everyone at TM."

Azoff was also in the news last week because he and his wife Shelli will be honored by the City Of Hope's Music and Entertainment Industry group with the 2011 Spirit of Life Award, its most prestigious honor and recognizes individuals who have committed their time and resources to helping those in need.

[CADreaming]

Personally, I can't wait for Fleetwood Mac to tour again. I look forward to seeing Stevie too but to have both is like having ice cream and cake...

[MacShadowsBall]

Probably best not to get our hopes up about anything - new albums or tours, who really knows, none of these might not happen.:mad:

[mylittledemon]

I'm sure they will tour again. They've all expressed interest. The real question is whether or not will get another album out of them.

[vivfox]

Van Halen May Tour in 2011
Tuesday, 5 October 2010 From Rolling Stone

By Daniel Kreps
Oct 05, 2010

Van Halen will return to the road in 2011 — or so said Live Nation Ticketmaster chairman Irving Azoff, in a meeting with analysts meant to show that the outlook for next year’s concert circuit will brighten. Van Halen, with David Lee Roth, last toured together in June 2008. According to USA Today, Azoff, who is also Van Halen’s manager, named Van Halen, Christina Aguilera, Fleetwood Mac and the cast of Glee as some of the artists that are expected to pack stadium and arenas when they embark on tours next year. Van Halen’s 2008 tour grossed $93 million for Live Nation.

This isn’t the first time Azoff has promised of a Van Halen tour: In September 2009, at another Q&A session, he mentioned that Van Halen were planning to tour in 2010, but that never came to fruition. Van Halen has long been rumored to be working on a new studio album, their first with Roth since 1984, but Eddie’s wife Janie Van Halen told Rolling Stone in June that, “What is going around is exactly that, rumors.”

http://www.vhnd.com/2010/10/05/van-halen-may-tour-in-2011/

[LB Freakazoid]

Yesterday, while driving 400 miles and listening to XM radio (which FM is programmed into my favs) ... every time after an FM song, every DJ on various channels mentioned FM going on tour in 2011.... so who knows....

[Silver Springs]

I'm sure they will tour again. They've all expressed interest. The real question is whether or not will get another album out of them.

When I was at a show in Manchester last year for the Unleashed Tour, they did drop heavy hints and almost tease about a new album.

[Kena]

I'm gonna be pretty mad at Lindsey for saying "There is no new album to promote — yet" oh about 80 times last year if nothing comes of it. I hope if they make another album that they actually make it together though, not just Lindsey having all his music ready and Stevie preparing most of hers separate. It would be great if at least on a few songs they started from scratch or close to it. Working out old old songs would be okay to. I'd like to see how that would turn out. Would it be like the final closing chapter? Yeah maybe, but that's okay I guess.

If it were up to me they would go ahead and deal with the Buckingham Nicks issue. Cause you know we all want em to. Tour with those songs and record some of the demos. Rerelease BN. Just do it already Linds.

[TrueFaith77]

I'll go out on a limb. There will be no new album. :sorry:

[BellaDonna93]

As we all know, Lindsey said "There's no new album to promote...yet" at like all the concerts last year. So I really hope there'll be a new Mac album. But I doubt it, really. Dunno why but I do. I hope they'll do a world tour another world tour though. I wanna see them again so badly ^^, I have to. So fingers crossed for a new album and a new world tour, then I'm happy ;D

[CADreaming]

Well, LB's laid pretty low since the tour ended...for all we know he's been working on an album. I'm sure his comments about not having a new album "yet" were very calculated. We already know they will be touring again and Stevie even prefaced the Unleashed tour by saying we would have to "suffer through" new material on their next tour and they all were commenting on how that tour was basically a way to warm up for a new album...

Although, I would LOVE a BN release with tour...

[tilthefirefades]

I think I will be pleased if it's a Stevie solo album, Lindsey solo album, or another Say You Will (or in my dreams another Christine solo album) considering how amazing the last go at each were. I just hope they give us something!

[Sahara]

Well, LB's laid pretty low since the tour ended...for all we know he's been working on an album. I'm sure his comments about not having a new album "yet" were very calculated. We already know they will be touring again and Stevie even prefaced the Unleashed tour by saying we would have to "suffer through" new material on their next tour and they all were commenting on how that tour was basically a way to warm up for a new album...

Although, I would LOVE a BN release with tour...


I think you're right. Unpredictable as they are, the hints were VERY strong and Stevie, in particular, wouldn't be slow to say she wasn't into the idea of heading back into the studio with the lads.

[Villavic]

Stevie's album will be out in March (*fingers crossed*), she can tour from then til June. The Fleetwood Mac tour may not start until August or September...or even later....even if Fleetwood Mac starts their tour in December of 2011, that's STILL 2011.

chiliD wishing a Fleetwood Mac tour? with Stevie and Lindsey?? What happen with the "LB & SN was the worst thing that happened to Fleetwood Mac" :laugh: :laugh:
I guess a mac fan will always be a mac fan... ;)

If there is a new album coming, I'm sure Mick would open his mouth soon. So if he is not saying anything....

[HauntedSong]

Ok....I thought this whole tour thing was a giant rumour because Stevie keeps saying that 2011 is going to be "all about her and her album" So I took that as there wouldnt be a FM tour next year.

BUT @GaryKordan tweeted this yesterday....which makes me very hopeful that there will be some sort of tour next year...even if its just a few shows :

"I am losing my mind. We are standing outside Stage 15 listening to Fleetwood ****ing Mac rehearse for their upcoming tour!!!"

then a little while after that he tweeted this :

"I am standing 6 feet away from Stevie Nicks and 10 feet from Mick Fleetwood while they perform Rhiannon."

This has more than excited me!!! But I'm still so confused as to what is going on!!

[Lindsfan]

I don't normally check Twitter, but I was really bored this morning. I searched Fleetwood Mac, and a Gary Kordan was tweeting last night about being in soundstage 15, just 10 or 15 feet away from Stevie and Mick as they rehearse for the upcoming FM tour. I googled his name and it comes up as a pretty big deal set decorator in Hollywood. Anyone know if he's legit??

...I hope so :blob1:
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[TrueFaith77]

Reason there won't be a new album: The simple fact is that Lindsey and Stevie have grown too far apart as people and, most significantly, as ARTISTS. An album like Say You Will came about because a) most of the material existed prior to recording the album (it was not created via collaboration) and b) Lindsey was given much greater control over the album's sound and in constructing her songs prior to her arrival. Now, you might say that they would just return to the Say You Will model, with minimal Stevie involvement. That would be fine by me because Say You Will is a masterpiece and the best Stevie has been since "Gypsy"! BUT Stevie doesn't see things my way (or, one presumes, Lindsey's). She hates Say You Will so she won't allow that to happen again--and she has a leg to stand on: IT FLOPPED. Which brings me back to my original point: these two will never go into the studio to write songs together again. There will be no new Fleetwood Mac album with Lindsey and Stevie ... EVER. (Well unless her new solo album flops jajajajaja ... so there's hope)

[MissLadyLoki]

Reason there won't be a new album: The simple fact is that Lindsey and Stevie have grown too far apart as people and, most significantly, as ARTISTS. An album like Say You Will came about because a) most of the material existed prior to recording the album (it was not created via collaboration) and b) Lindsey was given much greater control over the album's sound and in constructing her songs prior to her arrival. Now, you might say that they would just return to the Say You Will model, with minimal Stevie involvement. That would be fine by me because Say You Will is a masterpiece and the best Stevie has been since "Gypsy"! BUT Stevie doesn't see things my way (or, one presumes, Lindsey's). She hates Say You Will so she won't allow that to happen again. Which brings me back to my original point: these two will never go into the studio to write songs together again. There will no new Fleetwood Mac album with Lindsey and Stevie.

So, if that won't happens, who's with me for a Men of the Mac album? For a fourth member, they could get Bob Welch for singing and playing guitar (and have some duels on songs with Lindsey). It would be seriously awesome, but does anyone agree with me?

[TrueFaith77]

So, if that won't happens, who's with me for a Men of the Mac album? For a fourth member, they could get Bob Welch for singing and playing guitar (and have some duels on songs with Lindsey). It would be seriously awesome, but does anyone agree with me?

I love Bob Welch but :sorry: I don't see any reason to have him back--unless Mick does my full-reunion album concept. MICK, ARE YOU LISTENING??? So anyway, I wouldn't want that... and, fortunately, neither would Lindsey. Ever.

I have no idea in what manner John, Mick, Lindsey could put together a FLEETWOOD MAC album. I'm not saying they couldn't; I just personally can't conceive of how.

[MissLadyLoki]

I love Bob Welch but :sorry: I don't see any reason to have him back--unless Mick does my full-reunion album concept. MICK, ARE YOU LISTENING??? So anyway, I wouldn't want that... and, fortunately, neither would Lindsey. Ever.

I have no idea in what manner John, Mick, Lindsey could put together a FLEETWOOD MAC album. I'm not saying they couldn't; I just personally can't conceive of how.

They could call themselves Men of the Mac, like how Ronnie James Dio, Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler, and a different drummer play as Heaven and Hell rather than Black Sabbath. It could be an interesting concept and make some interesting music.

[TrueFaith77]

They could call themselves Men of the Mac, like how Ronnie James Dio, Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler, and a different drummer play as Heaven and Hell rather than Black Sabbath. It could be an interesting concept and make some interesting music.

I agree. But I think that with the three of them RECORDING new music, it would basically be a Lindsey solo album with Mick and John as the rhythm section. Which would be awesome. But not exactly Fleetwood Mac. And thus not likely. As only Fleetwood Mac sells.

[MissLadyLoki]

I agree. But I think that with the three of them RECORDING new music, it would basically be a Lindsey solo album with Mick and John as the rhythm section. Which would be awesome. But not exactly Fleetwood Mac. And thus not likely. As only Fleetwood Mac sells.

Yeah you're right. I dunno what to say about no new album (haven't really heard Say You Will, wanna see Destiny Rules for the singing fish scene and something else I'll only say via PM).

[ButterCookie]

Being brutally honest. I wouldn't pay £Xhundred to care about only Mick and John :shrug:

[MissLadyLoki]

Being brutally honest. I wouldn't pay £Xhundred to care about only Mick and John :shrug:

Same here. I'd pay to see the Mac again if Chris was back.

[TrueFaith77]

Christine is the only person on the planet who could make another Fleetwood Mac album happen. If she said: yes. They would ALL fall into line.

[ButterCookie]

Christine is the only person on the planet who could make another Fleetwood Mac album happen. If she said: yes. They would ALL fall into line.

She's got the powa

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lae4x4r8tG1qafygio1_500.jpg

[Artemis]

she has a leg to stand on: IT FLOPPED. Which brings me back to my original point: these two will never go into the studio to write songs together again. There will be no new Fleetwood Mac album with Lindsey and Stevie ... EVER. (Well unless her new solo album flops jajajajaja ... so there's hope)

I don't mean to be rude, but, in what world is a top 3 album a flop? :shrug: Especially considering their age, and so on, I would have thought it would have been seen as a success.

I can't see Stevie's next album flopping either, I reckon it'll hit top 10/5 on name recognition alone.

[TrueFaith77]

I don't mean to be rude, but, in what world is a top 3 album a flop? :shrug: Especially considering their age, and so on, I would have thought it would have been seen as a success.

I can't see Stevie's next album flopping either, I reckon it'll hit top 10/5 on name recognition alone.

That's not rude. I don't claim expertise on the industry. I guess to me a successful album would be one that sells as well as their previous album (The Dance sold, what?, 5 mill). In Destiny Rules, they project potential sales of 3 million if it's a one-disc album vs. 300K for a double-disc. I don't think SYW cracked even 1 mill--compared to artists like The Eagles and Sade who sell millions w/ new product. All that sacrifice and they still sold closer to 300K than to 3M that's for sure. It didn't make a mark critically or with the media or with audiences. It didn't receive a single Grammy nod. I think it's the best American album of the 00s--and not just cuz I'm a fan; I don't know that their 80s albums would make my top 50 of that decade. As for opening in the number 3 slot, well I would have to look at whether or not it was a slow weekend at the box office (as they say) and I'd have to investigate whether the draw of star power evidenced by that first-week showing was sustained. Of course it opened big, but did it hang on?

[michelej1]

A tweet from today:

cswaudio J.Moran Sound Design:

Last day on the sony stage with Fleetwood Mac. Such a wonderful time getting to know such great people and watchin' them rock out!

[Lindsfan]

A tweet from today:

cswaudio J.Moran Sound Design:

Last day on the sony stage with Fleetwood Mac. Such a wonderful time getting to know such great people and watchin' them rock out!

WOO HOO!!!! :blob1::blob2::blob1::blob2:

[LukeA]

In Destiny Rules, they project potential sales of 3 million if it's a one-disc album vs. 300K for a double-disc. I don't think SYW cracked even 1 mill--compared to artists like The Eagles and Sade who sell millions w/ new product.

Well, first of all, define "potential" in this particular context. SYW scanned about 750k in the US, and Warners was quite content with that. Stevie's just annoyed because the ridiculous financial excess of the album's production negated the possibility of any net proceeds. When your album is #1 for 33 weeks, you can afford to putz around in Sausalito/LA for a year contemplating navels and crystal visions, but if you're FM in the 2000's (and beyond) and you *NEED* all the accouterments that only the biggest acts in the world can financially justify just to record an album, you're screwed.

Secondly, are you actually comparing Fleetwood Mac to Eagles/Sade? Really? That's all kinds of crazy for reasons way too many to list.

[HauntedSong]

Another Tweet about these rehearsals going on....I think its for a private show?

"hoping to jump across the street to see #fleetwoodmac play for about 80 people in a while... was lucky enough to see rehearsal yesterday!"
(via @miles_siggins)

[HauntedSong]

OK another tweet posted 5 mins ago by @garykordan.....

"Right this second I am 1 of 80 people watching a private dress rehearsal by Fleetwood Mac on a massive soundstage. Unreal goosebumps."

[TrueFaith77]

Well, first of all, define "potential" in this particular context. SYW scanned about 750k in the US, and Warners was quite content with that. Stevie's just annoyed because the ridiculous financial excess of the album's production negated the possibility of any net proceeds. When your album is #1 for 33 weeks, you can afford to putz around in Sausalito/LA for a year contemplating navels and crystal visions, but if you're FM in the 2000's (and beyond) and you *NEED* all the accouterments that only the biggest acts in the world can financially justify just to record an album, you're screwed.

Secondly, are you actually comparing Fleetwood Mac to Eagles/Sade? Really? That's all kinds of crazy for reasons way too many to list.

Well I haven't talked to WB like you have, but thank you for letting me know that they are content--so content in fact that they haven't even asked for a follow up from the band. I did not conjecture to their contentment one way or another. Everything else you wrote helped make my point: there won't be another Mac album.

p.s. - they played exactly 0 tracks from this album on their latest Hits! tour.

[LukeA]

so content in fact that they haven't even asked for a follow up from the band.

It sold a decent amount & was supported by a successful tour- in other words, all a label could want from one of their legacy acts... which is more than can be said about, say, Sony's ELO disaster in '01.

[PenguinHead]

I hope if they make another album that they actually make it together though, not just Lindsey having all his music ready and Stevie preparing most of hers separate. It would be great if at least on a few songs they started from scratch or close to it.

It sounds like they are addressing that issue by entertaining the idea of having an outside producer -- in effect, balancing out Lindsey's over-reaching, solitary influence.

[MacMan]

It wasn't a bad seller given the fact that there wasn't a hit song or video and only the tour to rely on for promoting it. It sold a healthy amount in 2003, but hasn't really been selling much each year since with the last known number sold being 853k up to August, 2006. It's likely close to platinum if not just above it by now, just not recognized yet.

Some chart peak positions for "Say You Will" in all the countries I could find with numbers of weeks on that countries chart.

#03 - US - 23 weeks on chart (Certified Gold 500,000 units)
#06 - UK - 8 weeks on chart (Certified Gold 100,000 units)
#07 - New Zeland - 8 weeks on chart
#08 - Canada - 13 weeks on chart (Certified Gold 50,000 units)
#08 - Sweden - 5 weeks on
#10 - Germany - 12 weeks on chart
#23 - Norway - 2 weeks on chart
#24 - Australia - 5 weeks on chart
#28 - Netherlands - 8 weeks on chart
#38 - Belgium - 2 weeks on chart
#40 - Denmark - 1 week on chart
#51 - Switzerland - 5 weeks on chart
#108 - Japan - 4 weeks on chart
#113 - France - 2 weeks on chart

US: Released April 15th, first week sales 217,000 units. 538,177 albums sold in the first 8 weeks. Certified gold 7/21/03. 733,000 albums sold by week 21, Sept 20th.

US: #83 TOP ALBUMS OF 2003 with total 2003 sales at 799,852

US: Sales as of 8.25.06 - 853,000

[Nikolaj]

Does anyone know with some retail stores selling used cds now; if when the cd is scanned at the register, it is counted as a sale at Soundscan later to be used in updating of RIAA certifications, when it's actually being resold? I bought some used cds the other day, and the titles and sku #s all showed up on the receipt.
Though the repackaged and resold cheaper cd may have a different stock number glued on the repackaging than the new previously unsold cd of the same title, I think it's possible it may be counted as another sale for the same cd that had been sold, returned, and resold. Otherwise, why have the title and # on the cd and receipts?
I've seen both SYW and TISL for as low as 2.99 at the FYE chain.

[mylittledemon]

Does anyone know with some retail stores selling used cds now; if when the cd is scanned at the register, it is counted as a sale at Soundscan later to be used in updating of RIAA certifications, when it's actually being resold? I bought some used cds the other day, and the titles and sku #s all showed up on the receipt.
Though the repackaged and resold cheaper cd may have a different stock number glued on the repackaging than the new previously unsold cd of the same title, I think it's possible it may be counted as another sale for the same cd that had been sold, returned, and resold. Otherwise, why have the title and # on the cd and receipts?
I've seen both SYW and TISL for as low as 2.99 at the FYE chain.

From what I can gather... a chain like FYE or Best Buy orders "X" amount of copies and those count then as a sale. Whether those CDs languish in the warehouses of said chain, I believe they still count as "made sales" already. Because if you sell a few copies of Rumours, Best Buy will just restock them from their massive inventory... they don't place a brand new order for them. At least I *think* that's how they do it. That's how we did it when I worked at FYE in 2001. :shrug:

[APerfectLie]

From what I can gather... a chain like FYE or Best Buy orders "X" amount of copies and those count then as a sale. Whether those CDs languish in the warehouses of said chain, I believe they still count as "made sales" already. Because if you sell a few copies of Rumours, Best Buy will just restock them from their massive inventory... they don't place a brand new order for them. At least I *think* that's how they do it. That's how we did it when I worked at FYE in 2001. :shrug:

Chartwise sales, such a Billboard, are based on cash register sales whereas RIAA sales are calculated based on wholesale shipments.

Since May 26, 1991, the Billboard 200's positions have been derived from Nielsen SoundScan sales data, as of 2008 contributed by approximately 14,000 music sellers. Because these numbers are supplied by a subset of sellers rather than record labels, it is common for these numbers to be substantially lower than those reported by the Recording Industry Association of America when Gold, Platinum and Diamond album awards are announced (RIAA awards reflect wholesale shipments, not retail sales)

[Nikolaj]

^ and ^^
Yes, and thank you for the two replies. But I guess I didn't make it clear what I asked- I tried- but I can be lacking-- I meant the repackaged USED cds that these stores frequently have at a fraction of the price- that people have returned, the store has restocked the used copy and sells it. So, if there's a new unopened 'Say You Will' for $14.98 and a used, re-shrink-wrapped 'Say You Will for $3.99 at the same store and the used, cheaper one is the copy the customer chooses, with the 'Say You Will' title and part of barcode on your receipt, then my Q was does it count as another sale for the 'Say You Will' cd through Soundscan even though it's a resale of a returned or traded-in copy, and still makes the band one copy closer to 1 million copies sold, or not? My guess is it counts.
I know there's a difference between shipping and selling platinum, but never have been informed about how exactly the used cd selling affects royalties and certifications. Maybe I should email Soundscan or Fred Bronson of Billboard.
If he's still there!

[vivfox]

I was just thinking this must be for a one off show. If they were doing a big tour they would have rehearsed for 2 or 3 months, not 2 weeks.

[APerfectLie]

^ and ^^
Yes, and thank you for the two replies. But I guess I didn't make it clear what I asked- I tried- but I can be lacking-- I meant the repackaged USED cds that these stores frequently have at a fraction of the price- that people have returned, the store has restocked the used copy and sells it. So, if there's a new unopened 'Say You Will' for $14.98 and a used, re-shrink-wrapped 'Say You Will for $3.99 at the same store and the used, cheaper one is the copy the customer chooses, with the 'Say You Will' title and part of barcode on your receipt, then my Q was does it count as another sale for the 'Say You Will' cd through Soundscan even though it's a resale of a returned or traded-in copy, and still makes the band one copy closer to 1 million copies sold, or not? My guess is it counts.
I know there's a difference between shipping and selling platinum, but never have been informed about how exactly the used cd selling affects royalties and certifications. Maybe I should email Soundscan or Fred Bronson of Billboard.
If he's still there!

Yeah I was just reinforcing the fact that registers scans do count, but whether or not used sales count, I haven't a clue!

[TrueFaith77]

I was just thinking this must be for a one off show. If they were doing a big tour they would have rehearsed for 2 or 3 months, not 2 weeks.

Well it's not like the setlist would be changing. :laugh:

But I agree.

[Lindsfan]

:distress: This doesn't sound too encouraging...from Bill Dobbins on Facebook ( and twitter ):

ALL ACCESS - To the Fleetwood Mac run through at the old MGM studios last night. The band prepping for a multi-million dollar private party. :(

[vivfox]

:distress: This doesn't sound too encouraging...from Bill Dobbins on Facebook ( and twitter ):

ALL ACCESS - To the Fleetwood Mac run through at the old MGM studios last night. The band prepping for a multi-million dollar private party. :(

I wonder how much of the multi million goes to them?

[LukeA]

I wonder how much of the multi million goes to them?

Somewhere between $1.5-$2M, is my guess. Not bad for 90 minutes of work.

[BellaDonna93]

A new note from Jana on facebook:

"Home, Sweet Home! I'm as happy at home as I am on the road. I won't be touring next year with Fleetwood Mac. I don't think they're touring. So now that I know, I'm putting together my bands in November & having a ball with that in 2011."

No, it's Stevie who's touring next year. Solo. :)

[Lee]

While listening to my local rock radio station @ work yesterday, they played a Fleetwood Mac song, & though I was on the phone, I could have sworn I heard the DJ say, "Fleetwood Mac, on tour in 2011". :confused: It would be nice to get some kind on confirmation from somewhere, huh?

Lee :confused:

[go6car]

OK another tweet posted 5 mins ago by @garykordan.....

"Right this second I am 1 of 80 people watching a private dress rehearsal by Fleetwood Mac on a massive soundstage. Unreal goosebumps."


Good to know that if I win the lottery, I can potentially hire them to play in my living room. :)

[vivfox]

Good to know that if I win the lottery, I can potentially hire them to play in my living room. :)


And if you pay them double what they usually make, YOU can pick the setlist.

[APerfectLie]

And if you pay them double what they usually make, YOU can pick the setlist.

Don't get carried away Viv. Stevie will only change up her setlist for triple.

[michelej1]

Don't get carried away Viv. Stevie will only change up her setlist for triple.

Well, you remember how that Soundstage guy wrote to Stevie and said he really wanted to hear Sara, so she did it just for him. If we could get influential people to ask her, she might be able to do it for us. So everyone contact all the presidents (sitting or former), corporate officers, venue owners, studio heads, managers and celebrities you know and ask them to ask Stevie to add SOTM, Angel or something to her setlist.

Michele

[CADreaming]

Well, you remember how that Soundstage guy wrote to Stevie and said he really wanted to hear Sara, so she did it just for him. If we could get influential people to ask her, she might be able to do it for us. So everyone contact all the presidents (sitting or former), corporate officers, venue owners, studio heads, managers and celebrities you know and ask them to ask Stevie to add SOTM, Angel or something to her setlist.

Michele

I think they have to add a clause about the world ending or something equally as catastrophic...

[michelej1]

From WCNX website:

http://wncx.radio.com/2010/10/28/new-fleetod-mac-in-2011/

New Fleetwood Mac in 2011?
Bill Louis


The manager of Fleetwood Mac has announced that they are planning to tour in 2011. Lindsey Buckingham says that there just might be a new CD in their future too.

[RickRobert]

Cool. Might see them if they're not charging £x00 for any ticket and acknowledge Wales as a part of the UK if there's a UK tour involved... probably asking for too much there :distress:

[Meowi]

Cool!
What about a Stevie tour?

[David]

I hope Fleetwood Mac tours the world. They express joy and sadness in their lyrics, and their faces shine with an inner light.

Stevie Nicks seems to have plans of her own, right? She keeps busy, and is the most recognizable member of the group. She is a fan favorite on talk shows and at awards ceremonies.

The new Lindsey-Stevie album ought to be dynamite. They will plumb depths, is my guess.

[jbrownsjr]

I hope Fleetwood Mac tours the world. They express joy and sadness in their lyrics, and their faces shine with an inner light.

Stevie Nicks seems to have plans of her own, right? She keeps busy, and is the most recognizable member of the group. She is a fan favorite on talk shows and at awards ceremonies.

The new Lindsey-Stevie album ought to be dynamite. They will plumb depths, is my guess.

I'm guessing they will re-vamp the setlist, re-arrange many songs... They will probably open up with Can't Go Back and without pause run right into Cryin in the Night...

[jbrownsjr]

Luke,

Any feedback or buzzing.... Some of you don't appreciate Luke's input.. but he's almost always spot on for these issues...

[HomerMcvie]

Luke,

Any feedback or buzzing.... Some of you don't appreciate Luke's input.. but he's almost always spot on for these issues...

YES, he is, and I ALWAYS appreciate his point of view.:thumbsup:

[Silver Springs]

From WCNX website:

http://wncx.radio.com/2010/10/28/new-fleetod-mac-in-2011/

New Fleetwood Mac in 2011?
Bill Louis


The manager of Fleetwood Mac has announced that they are planning to tour in 2011. Lindsey Buckingham says that there just might be a new CD in their future too.

I love how Lindsey bands about "Might" so much that it's lost all meaning. Might could mean within the next year, within the next ten or "not on your nelly". Way to maintain an err of mystery :p

[jbrownsjr]

I love how Lindsey bands about "Might" so much that it's lost all meaning. Might could mean within the next year, within the next ten or "not on your nelly". Way to maintain an err of mystery :p

Agreed Silver Springs... He's lost all credibility with me...

[michelej1]

Stevie Nicks seems to have plans of her own, right? She keeps busy, and is the most recognizable member of the group. She is a fan favorite on talk shows and at awards ceremonies.



Stevie Nicks also gives to many charitable causes.

They will plumb depths, is my guess.

Do you mean something improper by this?

Michele

[David]

Do you mean something improper by this?

MicheleStop it! you're making my ledge comments as dirty as my Facebook page!! ;)

[jbrownsjr]

Stop it! you're making my ledge comments as dirty as my Facebook page!! ;)

gross!:shocked:

[TrueFaith77]

um. so the mac is touring in july 2011? where's the official word?

[MissLadyLoki]

um. so the mac is touring in july 2011? where's the official word?

If they tour next year, I got a few things to ask:

1.Will they touch on some long-forgotten songs?

2.When will they be going to NY?

3.Will my fall 2011 schedule be as good as my spring 2011 one? (no class Mondays and Fridays and on Weds I got one 3-hour class that supposted to be the colloquium for my history minor) If so, if they go to NY in the fall, i could see 'em at a better time

[daniellaaarisen]

I'm sorry, but if this is true I will be NOT happy. I want solo tours to promote the two new solo albums, and I can only see them touring as a band to promote these records if they're paranoid about not having a big enough following as solo acts. That doesn't seem like Lindsey's style to me and I thought Stevie wanted to tour with Dave Stewart so I am at a complete loss as to why this may happen.

I want fact. This really irritates me.

[TrueFaith77]

I'm sorry, but if this is true I will be NOT happy. I want solo tours to promote the two new solo albums, and I can only see them touring as a band to promote these records if they're paranoid about not having a big enough following as solo acts. That doesn't seem like Lindsey's style to me and I thought Stevie wanted to tour with Dave Stewart so I am at a complete loss as to why this may happen.

I want fact. This really irritates me.

Sometimes record companies are behind this idea. Interesting that Bryan Ferry tours with Roxy Music while promoting his solo albums... ...

[elle]

From Mick's interview with the Maui News http://beta100.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/544310/Make-a-New-Year-s-date-with-Mick-Fleetwood--Barry-Flanagan.html?nav=5014 :

Fleetwood Mac's Stevie Nicks has a new album in the works, which features some tracks with the legendary drummer and a re-teaming with Lindsey Buckingham.

"I played on a chunk of it, and from all accounts I didn't get fired," he humorously notes. "From what I've heard, I believe it's in the best top two things that Stevie has done. She's singing great and she's really excited."

By the way, Fleetwood Mac will not tour next year, but they are "contemplating the beginnings of another Fleetwood Mac album."

[HomerMcvie]

By the way, Fleetwood Mac will not tour next year, but they are "contemplating the beginnings of another Fleetwood Mac album."

Yeah, that sounds like something a salesman would say. And Mick's always been FM's #1 salesman.

I'll believe it, though, when I see it.

[louielouie2000]

By the way, Fleetwood Mac will not tour next year, but they are "contemplating the beginnings of another Fleetwood Mac album."

Ahh... best possible news! Thanks for the heads up, elle! :thumbsup:

It made me smile to see Mick played drums on much of Stevie's solo album. I think it's great they've remained good pals throughout all the crap they've gone through/done to each other/etc. :nod:

[mezzoforte]

From Mick's interview with the Maui News http://beta100.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/544310/Make-a-New-Year-s-date-with-Mick-Fleetwood--Barry-Flanagan.html?nav=5014 :

Fleetwood Mac's Stevie Nicks has a new album in the works, which features some tracks with the legendary drummer and a re-teaming with Lindsey Buckingham.

"I played on a chunk of it, and from all accounts I didn't get fired," he humorously notes. "From what I've heard, I believe it's in the best top two things that Stevie has done. She's singing great and she's really excited."

By the way, Fleetwood Mac will not tour next year, but they are "contemplating the beginnings of another Fleetwood Mac album."

Blurg. I didn't actually believe it was happening, but I did hope. What on earth was the "manager" talking about? I guess we'll never know, but it was probably just a total fabrication.

And as for a new album: I'm not going to get my hopes up one iota based on this. It sounds pretty flimsy, at best.

[LukeA]

Um, of course they weren't going to tour in '11.

[louielouie2000]

Um, of course they weren't going to tour in '11.

Agreed. Buckingham and Nicks both have new solo albums in the pipeline. Fleetwood Mac toured just last year. And they have no new album to promote. Common sense dictates that FM would be taking '11 off for at least 3 different reasons :).