Stevie Nicks abortions

[ryguy2010]

Find this article drawn up on Stevie regarding her abortions via VOX Mag. Interesting I always heard it rumoured with her and Henley, etc.. but never found any substantial proof until now. What does everyone think? Sorry for not commenting in a while have been super busy with school!


Come Into My Parlour

Spencer Bright
VOX Magazine (London) February 1992***

Deserted by Mick Fleetwood, bullied by her record company, and haunted by the memory of four abortions, Stevie Nicks is rich but not happy. Spencer Bright breaks out the Kleenex for the woman who couldn't go her own way. Homely snaps by George Bodnar.

I pull a Kleenex from its box and hand it to Stevie Nicks. She wipes a tear as it slides down her cheek. She cries when she speaks of Mick Fleetwood, she cries when she speaks of the babies she might have had, and she cries when she speaks of the bullies in the record industry shoving her around. She's like a damsel in distress in her castle, and we're in her fairy land lounge. There is a warm glow from the chunky candles and the blue flame on the log fire. While outside in LA, the temperature sizzles up to 80.

Stevie points out her favourite chaise lounge. Her favourite doll, which resembles her, sits regally upon it. Shawls are draped about. One, a 12-year-old garment, is loosely draped around the chanteuse. Stevie needs the comfort of these long familiar possessions; they stress a continuity and equilibrium that have been sadly lacking in her emotional life.

To say that Stevie Nicks is considered flaky is a mild understatement. But, as with so many things Nicksian, it's a mythical fog that masks the true woman. She isn't just a mystical old crone running a witches coven in the Hollywood Hills. The fantasy world she appears to inhabit actually stems from her love of England, mainly its history, kings and queens.

Her home in Encino - up the road from Dave Stewart's house and over the brow of the hill from that of her former lover Tom Petty - is the sort of chocolate box creation you'd expect to find in a theme park. From the outside it's a Tudor mansion with Elephantitis; as you enter there's a drained waterfall replaced by plants and flowers running alongside the winding brick staircase.

Climbing the stairs it changes from medieval to Hansel and Gretel, as the carved wooden banisters meander perpendicularly up three more stories. At the top of the house is an octagonal bell tower, but there's no bell, just a viewing platform and windows where Stevie, her friends, and employees go to watch the sun set over San Fernando Valley.

I'm given a guided tour that the barman at my hotel would have died and gone to Heaven for. There's Stevie's grand four-poster bed with lace cushions and lacy covers. In the adjoining dressing room a sweet musty smell of perfume hangs in the air. All around are satin and silk nightgowns bunched on hangers. Stevie says she bought this house because she could imagine Ann Boleyn living here.

When Stevie Nicks first made money with Fleetwood Mac, she was able to fulfil her Dickensian fantasies of looking like a "ragged doll"- she came off resembling Artful Dodger, Bill Sykes' girlfriend from Oliver Twist and Miss Haversham from Great Expectations.

Stevie is not quite sure where this obsession with English things came from. "It was born into me. Maybe my last life was in England." Thus, when, in January 1975, a 6'5'' English eccentric named Mick Fleetwood came and asked her and her boyfriend Lindsey Buckingham to join his band, she had to say yes. "Just the idea that his band was English was reason enough to join. It was a dream come true." It was also a perfect opportunity to learn about kings, queens, princes and princesses.

Fleetwood perfectly matched her dreams. "The first time Mick walked into the room I thought I was witnessing the entrance of an English king, because that's how he looked to me. He was wearing a burgundy coloured water silk vest (waistcoat) with a watch chain and a very long jacket that was very nipped at the waist, and beautifully made pants. I was awe struck. I still am to this day of Mick's presence. The whole air around him is power." The people who saw Fleetwood's performance with Samantha Fox may find this a little hard to accept.

Previously Lindsey Buckingham had dominated Stevie. He was the artist; he didn't know how to do anything except music. "What was he going to do, sell shoes? I had a $50,000 education, I could do anything." Her waitress job paid for the rent, the food, the car. "I knew it was going to take my strength to push Lindsey and I over the edge if we were going to make it in the music business."

After Buckingham came a rogues' gallery of rock'n'roll suitors not known for their wimpishness- Joe Walsh, Don Henley, Tom Petty and producers Jimmy Iovine and Rupert Hine. And the man who called his on-the-road dalliances an attack of "veal viper", Mick Fleetwood. All get their individual tributes on Stevie's Best Of compilation album, Timespace.

In parallel with the last 10 years of Fleetwood Mac, Stevie enjoyed the most successful career of the whole group. Her first solo album, Bella Donna, sold 10 million copies and subsequent collections have enjoyed less spectacular, but still reputable sales. Now, though, with the apparently final demise of Fleetwood Mac, Stevie is suffering a personal and professional crisis.

The recent Mac troubles can be traced to an old song called Silver Springs. So taken was Stevie's mother by this number that she was moved to open an antique clothing shop in Phoenix in the same name. Stevie made a gift of the song to her.

Silver Springs nearly became a classic, but was dropped at the last minute from the 20-million selling Rumours album. Stevie thought it would be nice to resurrect the song and place it on Timespace. But Mick Fleetwood refused to give up the group's performance rights; he wants the option of having the number on a boxed set due for this year's commemoration of Fleetwood Mac's 25th anniversary.

"I have told the world what a vile thing it was that Mick Fleetwood had done to me, who has fought like a dog for 15 years to keep this band from breaking up. I don't really know what's going through Mick's mind. He never returned a phone call, and he never felt it was his duty to sit down and write a letter to tell me why.

"He has always been very English, and very proper and sometimes very arrogant, but to me a very close and loving friend. And somebody that I always felt I could trust and love" says Stevie, wiping away tears.

"He has always been the boss of the group. He has always made all the decisions. And he has always made all the decisions. And he has always made them without asking anyone else. So he had no reason to do this to us. To break up the whole band."

In the tradition on rock'n'roll's greatest soap opera, Stevie has Fleetwood's soon-to-be ex-wife Sarah on her side. "She's singing with me now, she's a very good friend. She's divorcing Mick after being with him for 13 years; they are completely separated. She doesn't understand."

Stevie has included 'Beauty and the Beast' on Timespace, a song written about her affair with Mick in the late 70's. She explains that it is not a dig at him being a beast, but about the beauty and the beast within us all. The album's sleeve notes are full of similar references to her ex-lovers.

Was there a common thread among her men? "They're all very smart and very loving, and they all had a difficult time with my life and the way that I live it and how busy I am." For four lovers, a crucial test came when she became pregnant and opted for terminations. "It's always been a tragedy. But they understood." But they didn't really. "Eventually their hearts couldn't take it, they couldn't understand quite enough, how deeply embedded in this I was. And so it eventually hurt them too much and they had to leave, or face devastation on their own."

She put her relationship with her fans before a relationship with one man. Ever since she saw Janis Joplin perform, Stevie has wanted to emulate her, to achieve that state of communion with the crowd. "I just wanted to be in love with my audience and I wanted them to be in love with me back."

But now there is remorse at the havoc her abortions have wreaked on her psyche. "To give up four babies is to give up a lot that would be here now. So that bothers me, a lot, and really breaks my heart. But they're gone, so..." She composes herself. "But I couldn't have because I was too busy. And I had all these commitments." She wants to adopt, but age and single-parenthood are against her. "I've also though about having one myself but I'm booked up for the next four years. I don't know if, at my age, I can get pregnant right away, do an album at the same time, have a baby, promote an album, go out on tour with the baby. So I'm going back and forth in my mind. At 43 years old, my time clock is ticking, so I can't afford to wait around for very long." Surely these are the same excuses she made on the last four occasions -- with two important differences. There is no obvious candidate for the father, and even if there were, the decision totally remains in her hands.

In an epic inversion of the star's role, she is subservient to the 40 people who depend on her for their livelihoods. "I don't know quite how to walk away without hurting a lot of people -- even though every one of those people would say 'you've done a lot for us and we know that you love us, but go do something for yourself for a change' But I just can't."

The determination, toughness, and pragmatism that helped her achieve success now seem elusive, but what hurts most is being pushed around by business moguls. She is smarting from the inclusion - against her wishes - of Jon Bon Jovi's song "Sometimes It's a Bitch" on Timespace.

"I was told that if I didn't do a song by Jon Bon Jovi then my career was over. I don't have any reason to hate Jon Bon Jovi. He wrote me a song that was a wonderful thing to do. I knew that just me singing it wasn't going to go over well with my fans, which it hasn't. But I was told by the industry, by management, and by everybody else that if I did NOT do this, and reach this new audience, that my career was simply, finally, completely over.

They exerted all the pressure you could possibly exert, they scared me to death. So I did the song, and is it a big hit song? No, it's not."

She found it particularly distasteful to sing the word 'bitch', which she considers a swear word. Stevie concedes that she has difficulty challenging authority figures.

It all makes her appear so fragile. While we speak she only opens her doe eyes to wipe away the tears, preferring instead to look down when the talk gets serious. There are no crutches anymore. she gave up the cocaine and alcohol in 1986 when she admitted herself to the Betty Ford Center.

Bad as she was, she still had the inner strength to take control of her destiny, probably because she sensed she was in mortal danger. One night she was inspired to write a personal creed: "I am not special, I am not infallible, I am dying."

"I started crying really hard, and I wrote under it something to the effect never forget these three lines. And so I feel that yes, I can write stories for people, but that I'm not indestructible that I'm not special. And that I was dying. So, that was a very bug turning point at Betty Ford for me."

If Fleetwood Mac had been told to do 'Sometimes It's A Bitch', she thinks she knows what would have happened. "Mick would have ridden in on his white horse and swept me up and told them all to go to hell and say I won't let her do it." The tragedy is that after all these struggles, Stevie Nicks is a victim once again.


Photo caption:
VOX was privileged to receive a guided tour of Stevie Nicks's home. However, since several previous attempts at photographing the interior of her mansion had not matched up to her idea of how it should look, Nicks chose to recreate the interior in sympathetic lighting conditions.



Two days later Ms. Nicks summoned our photographer to a professional sound-stage at a studio near LA International airport. There, with the aid of two articulated lorries of furniture, clothes, dolls, and assorted knickknacks, she recreated her bedroom. A staff of more than a dozen people-- including caterers (note bulging fridge), lighting men, set builders, makeup artists, hairdressers, and a mysterious "personal assistant"-- spent a whole day recreating the authentic ambiance of Stevie's home.

All of this was done at her own cost. But Ms. Nicks is no stranger to excess. During the last Fleetwood Mac world tour, she had every hotel room she stayed in redecorated to her personal taste-- and at her own considerable cost.

[skuncles]

She spoke about this topic in 1994 on the "Off The Record" interview with Mary Turner. It's one of my favorite interviews because she's promoting "Street Angel" and at the same time she is trashing the album.

[ryguy2010]

She spoke about this topic in 1994 on the "Off The Record" interview with Mary Turner. It's one of my favorite interviews because she's promoting "Street Angel" and at the same time she is trashing the album.

Thanks Skuncles. Do you know whwere I can find the interview? I would love to see that :)

[louielouie2000]

Yeah, this article is rather infamous in the Stevie community. The people who have drank too much of the Stevie Kool Aid think she wasn't talking about abortions, but rather her songs :rolleyes:. Like skuncles said, Stevie alluded to it absolutely being about her abortions in other interviews. It's my humble opinion that she really did have that many terminated pregnancies. She had a fame bloated ego, she was doing obscene amounts of hardcore drugs and drinking for many years, and had scads of well-documented trysts. Who knows how many "affairs" there were that we didn't know about. Who knows... there could have been more than 4 abortions, we know how Stevie likes to revise history in her favor when she's interviewed.

Not sure if you know this, but Don Henley claimed in his book he was the father of one of Stevie's aborted children, that she named the baby Sara, and wrote the song of the same name about the situation. I actually think he's wrong about the story of Sara, but that's just my opinion. I do believe he did actually impregnate Stevie though, and she terminated the pregnancy.

I know for me personally, when I learned of this article and it's contents, it was a bit hard for me to digest. I had to remind myself repeatedly that I am a fan of Stevie's music, and her personal life is just that: her personal life. She's not my role model, she's not a spokesperson on morality, she's just a woman who sings and writes songs that allow me to escape from my crappy life for a few minutes.

[desertangel]

I know for me personally, when I learned of this article and it's contents, it was a bit hard for me to digest. I had to remind myself repeatedly that I am a fan of Stevie's music, and her personal life is just that: her personal life. She's not my role model, she's not a spokesperson on morality, she's just a woman who sings and writes songs that allow me to escape from my crappy life for a few minutes.


awww... I could hug you for that, in fact, consider yourself hugged :xoxo:
***I feel the same way***

[Nikolaj]

Oh, this magazine article has come up countless times. I personally feel it is best to leave it alone, it is one time she was, in my opinion, exploited by the press. These type of confessionals, under the influence (likely Klonopin, perhaps mixed with wine or too heavy a dosage)-- these types of heartbreaking stories are not best revealed to a journalist, but to a close confidante- a best friend, a parent, a doctor, a spiritual advisor.
It's my belief that the magazine took something too private from a woman who for whatever reason revealed too much she needed to talk about, but not with or to the general public. Yet, maybe she also did need for the public to know, though I doubt it. I think she was very much unguarded and open, and may have regretted it later.
It's not anyone's place to judge her on choices she has had to deal with in her life, we perhaps can all agree it's very sad. But it'd be nicer even if we could say 'let's not discuss this very private matter.'
To me, the Vox editors and writer of the article just did their job and printed the details, when the conscionable thing would have been to realize that Nicks was either overly medicated, or in a state of trauma. They noted she had cried several times during the interview. In my opinion, the right thing to do would have been to have sent her a pre-publication version of what got printed, and asked through attorneys, 'do you really want to go through with revealing all of this?' and I think she would not have.
Or; I could be wrong, and on some level, she just had to reveal the information. I believe all of this began with Henley's drunken GQ interview* a cpl years prior, when he mentioned one situation of this sort he had with Stevie.
*Louie- Don's never written his autobiography, it was a long magazine interview.
Apparantly; Don and Stevie have mended fences long ago, but I think Don soon realized he said too much about Stevie. He learned, maybe: don't do interviews loaded. The information is just too personal. Don was drunk; and as for Stevie's revelations, I think it was a medication malfunction that she revealed it in the first place. I think it's why we still sometimes get very short answers from her to questions posed- It was really the last time, I believe, that Stevie made such unguarded public comments.
We've often had one or two-word replies from her on the Nicks Fix for questions about things that deserved to be answered in more detail, about her music. I think she learned a lesson about not revealing too much ever again with that Vox article.
Anyone can think what they feel they have to think about the subject. But I don't think it's a good topic of discussion, who wins? Nobody. It'd be nice for it to be left alone, for once. The interview was what it was and revealed what it revealed.
Fortunately, Vox didn't have a huge presence here in America, though word of the revealed details did get around. I wasn't aware she'd also discussed the subject in the Mary Turner radio interview. Hmm.

[daniellaaarisen]

Louie, interesting post, especially that end part...

This is going to sound really, really weird, but Stevie's flaws are a big part of what draws me to her. I think this is mostly because it allows me to justify my own ****ty decisions, to be quite honest. But more importantly, it makes me feel a little more confident in certain values that I have that are controversial-- "seize the day," necessary selfishness, etc. Also, I love that Stevie can almost redefine herself through her creative work, depicting her experiences in the way that she sees them. You study "Gold Dust Woman" and "Kick It" and suddenly, you can have a completely new perspective on Stevie's drug use. "Sara" and "Goodbye Baby" shed a little light on the abortions. As a writer, I appreciate her ability to work through things in a creative way. Don't get me wrong-- I do NOT approve of anyone getting four abortions.But I must admit that I am as intrigued with her flaws and insecurities as I am with her strengths.

[CADreaming]

There is also speculation that she could not carry to term. Abortion is also known as miscarriage. I think that makes a lot of sense, she seemed to want children very badly.

[skuncles]

There is also speculation that she could not carry to term. Abortion is also known as miscarriage. I think that makes a lot of sense, she seemed to want children very badly.

Abortion and a miscarriage are two totally different things. A miscarriage is something that happens naturally, the body, for whatever reason rejects the fetus. An abortion is something that you have performed to you TO prevent the birth. An abortion is a decision, a miscarriage is not. You will never hear any woman mistakenly say she had an abortion if she meant she had a miscarriage.

[jellyman10]

... to talk about this, if someone wants to. I wouldn't bring it up myself, but that's only because I'm a saddo who's read every single post in the Ledge archive, so I know how much everything has been talked about already. :lol:

My own opinion is that none of us need to explain to each other why we're drawn to any artist or their work, and likewise we don't need to agree on whether liking somebody's work means that you must take a view on their lifestyle. You're free to do that, but you don't have to.Let a thousand varieties of SN fan bloom, I say.

But, as I'm here, and I *am* one of those people who finds SN's whole life quite fascinating, here's what i think (don't read on, if you don't care!):

1. The Vox article might be tasteless, but I strongly suspect it *does* report what she said.
2. Saying what I just said does imply that, for me, she has said out of her own mouth that she's had four terminations.
3. SN's history as a serious, serial addict makes this sort of scenario not just possible, but likely.
4. If male rock stars could get pregnant, we'd soon see how much of Stevie's experience in the 70s and 80s went with the territory, rather than because she was egregiously irresponsible.
5. I'm sure I read somewhere (can anyone remember this?) that Chris opted for sterilisation - perhaps exactly because she'd seen what Stevie went through with DH. But SN, I guess, always wanted to leave herself the option of having a child later, and with that went the risk of 'later' still not being the right time when she found herself pregnant again.
6. I suspect, having said what I just said, that there never was going to be a 'right time' for Stevie to go through with a pregnancy. In some ways, her whole artistry - perhaps even her personality - seems to be based on holding irreconcilable opposites in permanent tension (which is why she contradicts herself all the time, too ...:lol:)

Anyway, that's all I wanted to say. Lunchtime!

Loz (aka JM10)

[skuncles]

The interview is on Youtube (although the sound is horrible) it's in three parts, the part about the abortion is part three (linked below). The part about trashing the "Street Angel" album is in part 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=van9uyR9ksc

[holidayroad]

Abortion and a miscarriage are two totally different things. A miscarriage is something that happens naturally, the body, for whatever reason rejects the fetus. An abortion is something that you have performed to you TO prevent the birth. An abortion is a decision, a miscarriage is not. You will never hear any woman mistakenly say she had an abortion if she meant she had a miscarriage.

I think some insurance companies may need to be informed about the difference. My husband's cousin had a miscarriage and on her insurance forms, it stated the reason for her medical visit was 'abortion'.

[CADreaming]

I think some insurance companies may need to be informed about the difference. My husband's cousin had a miscarriage and on her insurance forms, it stated the reason for her medical visit was 'abortion'.

The medical term for miscarriage is spontaneous abortion', meaning the body aborts the pregnancy. This article is from a London magazine and my understanding is that they used the the medical term abortion for miscarriage. Regardless, it is obvious Stevie wanted children.

[LorraineRN]

I think some insurance companies may need to be informed about the difference. My husband's cousin had a miscarriage and on her insurance forms, it stated the reason for her medical visit was 'abortion'.

In medical terminology there is no such term as a "miscarriage". The medical term is a "spontaneous abortion". In the medical field the term abortion is used for both miscarriages and abortions.

[Kena]

Louie, interesting post, especially that end part...

This is going to sound really, really weird, but Stevie's flaws are a big part of what draws me to her. I think this is mostly because it allows me to justify my own ****ty decisions to be quite honest. But more importantly, it makes me feel a little more confident in certain values that I have that are controversial-- "seize the day," necessary selfishness, etc. Also, I love that Stevie can almost redefine herself through her creative work, depicting her experiences in the way that she sees them. You study "Gold Dust Woman" and "Kick It" and suddenly, you can have a completely new perspective on Stevie's drug use. "Sara" and "Goodbye Baby" shed a little light on the abortions. As a writer, I appreciate her ability to work through things in a creative way. Don't get me wrong-- I do NOT approve of anyone getting four abortions.But I must admit that I am as intrigued with her flaws and insecurities as I am with her strengths.

I totally agree with you about her flaws being a draw and by being intrigued with her insecurities. To me she puts so much of herself out in the open in her music. I mean, look into her lyrics as far as you want, but I swear I get something without looking to hard. Flaws, insecurities, rights, wrongs, heartaches that drive me mad, etc. Maybe I just totally understand Stevie more than anyone else.... *sigh*

Sometimes I have to remind myself that she is a real live person and not some sort of higher power. She's a rock star and I like her A LOT but she's still a person and she poops. Everyone Poops. Poop seems to put things in perspective for me.

I do admit that I have wondered who all impregnated her and when these terminations occured. I wonder if she appeared impregnatated ... None of my business but half the things I know are none of my business.

[CADreaming]

Couple more things to throw out there on this subject...

-Stevie may have had to have abortions due to not being able to carry to term.
-Based on staetements by Matt Baumann, director of the DR doc, about the recording of GB, it is safe to assume Stevie lost/aborted/miscarried whatever a child with Lindsey. I don't think that's too shocking, given their time together.

[vermicious knid]

I love the bluntness of the title. :laugh:

[holidayroad]

In medical terminology there is no such term as a "miscarriage". The medical term is a "spontaneous abortion". In the medical field the term abortion is used for both miscarriages and abortions.

Thanks. That was the point I was trying to make to skuncles when he/she said miscarriage and abortion were two different things. I just didn't make my point clear enough.

[~GoldDustWoman~]

Couple more things to throw out there on this subject...

-Stevie may have had to have abortions due to not being able to carry to term.
-Based on staetements by Matt Baumann, director of the DR doc, about the recording of GB, it is safe to assume Stevie lost/aborted/miscaaried whatever a child with Lindsey. I don't think that's too shocking, given their time together.

What statements? Also I think in the SA interview she was definently saying she had an abortion, not that she miscarried.

[michelej1]

I think some insurance companies may need to be informed about the difference. My husband's cousin had a miscarriage and on her insurance forms, it stated the reason for her medical visit was 'abortion'.

When you have an abortion, you often have to get a DnC or diation and cuttelage procedure to scrape the uterus. Otherwise deadly infection can occur. That's probably why an insurance form would say "abortion" in the case of miscarriage, because of the billable medical procedure they have in common.

As for Stevie, if you believe the Vox article is accurate, since she said it's hard to give up four babies, I would assume she meant voluntary forfeits and not involuntary miscarriages.

But I don't think much of the article. It doesn't "sound" like Stevie to me. That's not to say I don't think Stevie might have had 4 or 40 abortions. Maybe she did. I don't know. Doesn't bother me if she did. I just don't think many of the quotes sound like anything she has said.

Michele

[skuncles]

What statements? Also I think in the SA interview she was definently saying she had an abortion, not that she miscarried.

I'm a guy, but I have to believe that if a woman had a miscarriage she would say she had a miscarriage. Stevie's a celebrity, if she had a miscarriage then she would get this outpouring of support and sympathy. Yet, if she had an abortion that has the opposite effect on some people. So I don't think she would say abortion if she meant miscarriage, if anything it would be the other way around.
The problem is there are many fans, not just of Stevie but of many celebrities, who put these people on a pedestal and don't want to think of them as having any faults. Stevie has never claimed to be a perfect angel. She has said that she lived the rock and roll life and lived it to the fullest AND she wouldn't change a thing. This is why if and when her book ever comes out I think many fans may be in for a real shock. That may also be why she keeps putting it off. For years she said when she was 60 and retired she would put the book out, but she's still going and "people still care" so she can't just yet.

[vivfox]

I totally agree with you about her flaws being a draw and by being intrigued with her insecurities. Sometimes I have to remind myself that she is a real live person and not some sort of higher power. She's a rock star and I like her A LOT but she's still a person and she poops. Everyone Poops. Poop seems to put things in perspective for me.


No, Stevie doesn't poop. You are confusing her with someone else. As I told my Bible Study Teacher two weeks ago, "Stevie is one step down from God.":xoxo:

[michelej1]

I'm a guy, but I have to believe that if a woman had a miscarriage she would say she had a miscarriage. Stevie's a celebrity, if she had a miscarriage then she would get this outpouring of support and sympathy. Yet, if she had an abortion that has the opposite effect on some people. So I don't think she would say abortion if she meant miscarriage, if anything it would be the other way around.



Stevie didn't say abortion in the article. That word did not come from her.

But I take your point anyway. If the quote is accurate and she did say she gave up 4 babies, then I would have to assume that she meant abortion, not miscarriage. You never make a choice to give up a fetus when you miscarry.

Michele

[CADreaming]

Stevie didn't say abortion in the article. That word did not come from her.

But I take your point anyway. If the quote is accurate and she did say she gave up 4 babies, then I would have to assume that she meant abortion, not miscarriage. You never make a choice to give up a fetus when you miscarry.

Michele

But, she could have been forced to terminate the pregnancies for medical reasons...I'm just saying that it's possible and maybe even probable...

[LikeAWillow]

But, she could have been forced to terminate the pregnancies for medical reasons...I'm just saying that it's possible and maybe even probable...

Not quite sure I'd go that far.

[CADreaming]

And, isn't 4 a high number of "oops" pregnancies for someone who (assuming she wasn't trying to get pregnant) was more than likely on the Pill?

[MacShadowsBall]

Don't forget Stevie's cocaine use. I'm sure that would not be good for a fetus.

[HejiraNYC]

But, she could have been forced to terminate the pregnancies for medical reasons...I'm just saying that it's possible and maybe even probable...

Being "too busy" is not a medical condition. Clearly her abortions were voluntary; otherwise she would have made it clear that her pregnancies ended for other reasons. What I find more puzzling than anything else is that, given the calibre of her gentlemen callers, i.e., rock groupie poon hounds, what was she thinking when she was hiding the salami without protection? And considering her familiarity with pills and her access to script-friendly docs, surely she must have had easy access to birth control pills (and for practical reasons, they would have been useful for restricting/normalizing her menstrual cycle while on the road). At least Stevie is owning her mistakes and her tough decisions in this article rather than blaming the rest of the world. Given her vaunted status and the questionable state of her mind at the time, that is rather commendable.

[chiliD]

:cool: The posting of this article back in 1997 wreaked havoc that has come to be known to us long-time Ledgies as "The Great Ledge War of 1997".

When I saw the title of this thread, I knew exactly what was posted and it STILL sends shudders down my spine recalling those "dark, dark days". Not what the article says, but the possible reactions of relatively sane Ledgies and the faction of Stevie Nicks fans, both affectionately and simultaneously derrogatorily termed as "Chiffonheads". The volatileness of the disagreements, arguments & downright FIGHTS.

Doubt if there are still a handful of us still here who remember those days, but the memories are bad, people, VERY, VERY BAD!! :distress:

[Sanne2]

:cool: The posting of this article back in 1997 wreaked havoc that has come to be known to us long-time Ledgies as "The Great Ledge War of 1997".

When I saw the title of this thread, I knew exactly what was posted and it STILL sends shudders down my spine recalling those "dark, dark days". Not what the article says, but the possible reactions of relatively sane Ledgies and the faction of Stevie Nicks fans, both affectionately and simultaneously derrogatorily termed as "Chiffonheads". The volatileness of the disagreements, arguments & downright FIGHTS.

Doubt if there are still a handful of us still here who remember those days, but the memories are bad, people, VERY, VERY BAD!! :distress:

Sounds like fun, I wish I was around back then.

Anyway, I think she did really had 4 abortions (maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less, we all know how Stevie is with numbers). She always said she wanted to be a rock & roll star and not a mother, because you can't combine the two.
She most likely was on the pill the whole time but lets not forget she was also an addict, it probably made her sloppy and all the cocaine possibly made the pill less effective.

[AncientQueen]

I remember reading the Vox article when it came out - and in the context of Stevies existence during this years it made perfect sense, I have never doubted that she indeed had 4 abortions. At the height of her fame/the FM madness she had no stable day/night rhythm and probably forgot to take her pill on every third day - the drugs didn't help and birth control was certainly nothing male musicians could be bothered with before AIDS - and that were the types she had in her bed. I found her reasoning VERY lame, but when I thought about it - which female rockstar had a baby in the 70s or early 80s? I don't know about the pressures of fronting FM and having a solo career. Neither Linda Ronstadt, Ann Wilson or Christine went through a pregnancy, the former adoped, the latter had a sterilisation. Maybe it was that difficult. Grace Slick had her daughter in the early 70s, Olivia Newton-John and Pat Benatar had their daughters at an age when the Klonopin and the sideeffects were basically keeping Stevie from everything, let alone having a stable relationship or the possibility of a healthy pregnancy.

What really made me angry was the fact that she lamented about wanting a baby after 4 abortions. That was so stupid and thoughtless.

Later when this years became "the Klonopin years" her whining suddenly made sense and I felt very sorry for her, sitting there alone in the empty house, her only companion a journalist who published whatever she said in her numb state - her under the ll-considered impression that she deserved some respect, the journalist under the impression that there was a "has been" wreck to plunder.

Nowadays, I only feel sorry for the Stevie of those years, the sad custodian of the girl she was before, indeed the pale shadow of a woman. If that makes any sense :)

[AncientQueen]

Sounds like fun, I wish I was around back then.

I remember it and believe me, you wouldn't want to be around. It was not even the slightest bit amusing.

[michelej1]

Being "too busy" is not a medical condition. Clearly her abortions were voluntary; otherwise she would have made it clear that her pregnancies ended for other reasons.

And if Stevie was unable to carry a child to term, I'm sure we'd hear about it. She's not exactly used to keeping a lid on the melodrama. She'd be telling everyone the tragic tale of how she couldn't have a child physically, but was almost on the verge of risking her life to do it anyway and so on and so on. We'd hear about all the booties she knitted that were never to be. Michele

[chiliD]

I remember it and believe me, you wouldn't want to be around. It was not even the slightest bit amusing.

AMEN to THAT!! :distress:

[Ghost_Tracker]

GOSH I love it when this topic rears its ugly head! . . . . :rolleyes:


Would this be a good time to ask if Stevie and Lindsey have been secretly married all this time; and if Stevie has a secret love child, plagiarized the guitar riff to "Edge of Seventeen," and downright stole "Sara" and "Illume?" :shrug:

I heard she's a WITCH, by the way!!! :wavey:

[StandbackStevie]

I knew about stevie having an abortion with Mick fleetwood and Don Henley I did not realize it was four abortions wow. Never saw this interview thanks for posting interesting Interview who else did Stevie have an abortion with? curious if anyone knows. Living knowing you could have had 4 children and not see them has to be a bearing on her to live with and that is why she is probably so close to hear fans we are all her children.

[AnthonyMI]

I knew about stevie having an abortion with Mick




Duh. She was preggers with TWINS. BOTH times. Don and Mick have some seriously competitive spermies.

But Im guessing Lindsey is in there somewhere....

Just think of the band we can have by now! It would be like WIlson Phillips, only not as lame.... Tom, Mick and Lindsey Jrs and Sara on vocals.

[petep9000]

In medical terminology there is no such term as a "miscarriage". The medical term is a "spontaneous abortion". In the medical field the term abortion is used for both miscarriages and abortions.

A million years ago, when I worked in Admitting we'd get calls from affiliated OB practices for direct emergency admissions, they always used 'Missed AB' for the narrative diagnosis.
Not being a medical person, I didn't know that 'AB' meant abortion. To my young mind, an abortion was something a woman did electively at a clinic. Now I know it also means miscarriage too.

[michelej1]

Would this be a good time to ask if Stevie and Lindsey have been secretly married all this time; and if Stevie has a secret love child, plagiarized the guitar riff to "Edge of Seventeen," and downright stole "Sara" and "Illume?" :shrug:

I heard she's a WITCH, by the way!!! :wavey:

Well, even Waddy says she stole the guitar riff for EO17, so that's not a myth.

Michele

[Bubba Fleetwood]

Hey why does everyone think Stevie got pregnant by someone famous? Maybe by Don and or Mick in the 70's but I've heard about two in the 80's. Something I remember I heard years ago that Stevie got pregnant by one guy who she absolutely did not want a child by. I heard there was a hell of a story there but I never did hear anymore about it.

[Ghost_Tracker]

Well, even Waddy says she stole the guitar riff for EO17, so that's not a myth.

Michele


Iiiiiiii think you may have missed my point. :nod:

By the way, is it true that Stevie once attacked Lindsey and threatened to kill him? :shocked:


And that she didn't even realize that cocaine could hurt you? :eek:

:blob2:

[LikeAWillow]

Iiiiiiii think you may have missed my point. :nod:

By the way, is it true that Stevie once attacked Lindsey and threatened to kill him? :shocked:


And that she didn't even realize that cocaine could hurt you? :eek:

:blob2:

I think I'm missing your point, too. You're spouting what you seem to think are misconceptions, but like Michele pointed out, not all of them are. That Stevie had abortions isn't a misconception, anyway.

[CADreaming]

What statements? Also I think in the SA interview she was definently saying she had an abortion, not that she miscarried.

Matt Baumann: "There were many emotional moments between the band members. obviously the scene were Lindsey sheds a tear or two talking to Stevie about how much this project means to him. one of the more emotional moments made it to the film and that was when Stevie and Lindsey recorded "Goodbye Baby". That was shot very quietly late at night and due to the subject matter, was a very private and personal moment between those two."

I didn't hear the SA interview so I don't know.

Just pointing out the fact that the term abortion is used in the medical field for miscarriage, that the Vox article was written in Europe and they may have been accustomed to using the proper terminology, and that it is highly possible that Stevie could not carry to term (for a variety of reasons - her drug use being the most obvious to us). She talked about really wanting kids and in several articles around that time she was considering adoption. It's certainly plausible that she wanted kids and couldn't have them. I don't think that's something she would have necessarily shared with the public - especially if it was the most painful, personal thing in her life. Or even her decisions to abort which she later regretted or regretted the circumstances. It seems she was definitely going through a lot of reflecting and maybe wishing some things were different for her at that time.

At any rate, I'm glad she got through it and seems to be happy with where she is now.

[WelshWitchPMD]

I knew of someone who was a rabid Fleetwood Mac fan years ago. Now I am going to take this with a grain of salt but this is what he told me.
The guys were: Lindsey, Don Henley, Mick Fleetwood and Rupert Hine. Yeah not sure how he knew this or if any of it was true but I thought I would throw it out there.

[CADreaming]

I knew of someone who was a rabid Fleetwood Mac fan years ago. Now I am going to take this with a grain of salt but this is what he told me.
The guys were: Lindsey, Don Henley, Mick Fleetwood and Rupert Hine. Yeah not sure how he knew this or if any of it was true but I thought I would throw it out there.

Rupert Hine??!!! YUCK!!! :distress:

[WelshWitchPMD]

Rupert Hine??!!! YUCK!!! :distress:

Double yuck! Not sure if it's true or not. Just something more to discuss.

[CADreaming]

Double yuck! Not sure if it's true or not. Just something more to discuss.

I hope not much - I may throw up all over my keyboard! :laugh:

[michelej1]

Just pointing out the fact that the term abortion is used in the medical field for miscarriage, that the Vox article was written in Europe and they may have been accustomed to using the proper terminology, and that it is highly possible that Stevie could not carry to term (for a variety of reasons - her drug use being the most obvious to us). She talked about really wanting kids and in several articles around that time she was considering adoption. It's certainly plausible that she wanted kids and couldn't have them. I don't think that's something she would have necessarily shared with the public - especially if it was the most painful, personal thing in her life. Or even her decisions to abort which she later regretted or regretted the circumstances. It seems she was definitely going through a lot of reflecting and maybe wishing some things were different for her at that time.


I agree with you that meanings could have been lost in the translation. The way this interview reads, I think they were.

I also think that Stevie wanted children badly, most especially when she started approaching the age when she was too old to have them. She did talk about adopting and even gave us a potential name for the kid.

But I don't know if she ever wanted to be pregnant and to go through the physical changes that would mean. And she seems like the type who would love to publicly tell anyone if she was physically unable to have children. While many women wouldn't talk about it, I think that's a pain Stevie would be glad to share, as opposed to always saying her career never allowed her to do it. I think she would like the tragic heroine aspect the revelation would give her. Kind of like those gothic comments she made about her and Rupert never being able to be together, for reasons having nothing to do with love.

Michele

[chiliD]

Rupert Hine??!!! YUCK!!! :distress:

Double yuck! Not sure if it's true or not. Just something more to discuss.

I hope not much - I may throw up all over my keyboard! :laugh:

As in the words of Lily Von Schtupp, "It's tuhwoo, it's tuhwoo!"

:nod::laugh:

[Bubba Fleetwood]

Rupert Hine??!!! YUCK!!! :distress:I'd heard it was a black drug dealer named Big Curtis in '85................................................................................................. .....................not really, just wanted to get a reaction.

[CADreaming]

I'd heard it was a black drug dealer named Big Curtis in '85................................................................................................. .....................not really, just wanted to get a reaction.


Must see picture... ;)

[APerfectLie]

No, Stevie doesn't poop. You are confusing her with someone else. As I told my Bible Study Teacher two weeks ago, "Stevie is one step down from God.":xoxo:

Ummmm wrongo.
STEVIE IS GOD!

[silvasprings]

Ummmm wrongo.
STEVIE IS GOD!

AMEN!!!!:D

[Ghost_Tracker]

I think I'm missing your point, too. You're spouting what you seem to think are misconceptions, but like Michele pointed out, not all of them are. That Stevie had abortions isn't a misconception, anyway.



I was listing other issues that have also almost completely destroyed this and other boards in past years, resulting in the ending of friendships,
bitter arguments, and vicious "taking sides" which got so bad that eventually a moderator had to step in and lock the thread and ban several people permanently.
I really do feel that was possible here; it's only a random occurrence that certain members just simply didn't happen to see this thread.

Trust me, I've seen this issue get VICIOUS between Fleetwood Mac fans.
(And, see above for the discussion of that.)
I was simply trying to remind people to try to keep it fun, keep their sense of humor,
and not get angry with each other. So far that seems to be the case.
I'm glad that's the way the cards happen to have fallen - this particular time around.
Basically I was rolling my eyes and saying, "OH no NOT AGAIN!"
I'm not saying I don't think it should be discussed - just that it seems like the 8 or 9 or 10 times I've seen it come up in the past, it's led to vicious arguments about 50% of the time. Hence the little bit of "eye-rolling" and a little feeling of "oh great, here we go AGAIN" ;)

[APerfectLie]

Well, even Waddy says she stole the guitar riff for EO17, so that's not a myth.

Michele

Maybe I'm out of the loop, but from whom did she steal it from?

[studyinscarlet]

:cool: The posting of this article back in 1997 wreaked havoc that has come to be known to us long-time Ledgies as "The Great Ledge War of 1997".

When I saw the title of this thread, I knew exactly what was posted and it STILL sends shudders down my spine recalling those "dark, dark days". Not what the article says, but the possible reactions of relatively sane Ledgies and the faction of Stevie Nicks fans, both affectionately and simultaneously derrogatorily termed as "Chiffonheads". The volatileness of the disagreements, arguments & downright FIGHTS.

Doubt if there are still a handful of us still here who remember those days, but the memories are bad, people, VERY, VERY BAD!! :distress:

It was quite ugly. I recall calling Don Henley a humongous ass. But that was another article discussion, same topic.

Too bad Stevie just didn't get some nannies. I'm sure she still regrets the aborts to this day. I'm put in mind of the story of Patricia O'neal who died recently. She aborted a child with Gary Cooper and said she cried about it every night for 20 years. I can't imagine that Stevie does not have her dark moments even today.

[ryguy2010]

Wow.. I sincerely apologize if I offended anyone or riled anything up. That was most certainly not my intention! That news was "new" to me. I mean actually seeing the quotations and the article that is.
Please don't take offense. I think this is good healthy and open dialouge and as a new member I am not wanting to make waves. Let me just say that I respect Stevie for addressing this issue. Not trying to dissuade peoples own personal views on the subject matter. For me though, I think it took a lot of chutzpah to tackle this. Ms. Nicks has always shown tremendous coursage no matter in spite of any pyscho incoherent babble (drugs) on her part. I do think this a healthy topic to explore. If we all take our personal view out of the equation, we could discuss the reasons why she had to come to terms with what and why she did what she did. I think some of the reasons are apparent but in the end, I think she was dealt many unlucky hands in her life. She has always (imho) been taken advantage of by all of the guys who have come in and out of her life (bedroom)... I feel nothing but gratitude towards her and respect the person first ALWAYS and the tragedies LATER. Thank you fellow board members for allowing me to join. So far I have talked to some great people and hope it continues :)

[ryguy2010]

Yeah, this article is rather infamous in the Stevie community. The people who have drank too much of the Stevie Kool Aid think she wasn't talking about abortions, but rather her songs :rolleyes:. Like skuncles said, Stevie alluded to it absolutely being about her abortions in other interviews. It's my humble opinion that she really did have that many terminated pregnancies. She had a fame bloated ego, she was doing obscene amounts of hardcore drugs and drinking for many years, and had scads of well-documented trysts. Who knows how many "affairs" there were that we didn't know about. Who knows... there could have been more than 4 abortions, we know how Stevie likes to revise history in her favor when she's interviewed.

Not sure if you know this, but Don Henley claimed in his book he was the father of one of Stevie's aborted children, that she named the baby Sara, and wrote the song of the same name about the situation. I actually think he's wrong about the story of Sara, but that's just my opinion. I do believe he did actually impregnate Stevie though, and she terminated the pregnancy.

I know for me personally, when I learned of this article and it's contents, it was a bit hard for me to digest. I had to remind myself repeatedly that I am a fan of Stevie's music, and her personal life is just that: her personal life. She's not my role model, she's not a spokesperson on morality, she's just a woman who sings and writes songs that allow me to escape from my crappy life for a few minutes.


Love the quote at the End Louie! With the exception of the crappy life. But my sentiment precisely :)

[sodascouts]

I knew of someone who was a rabid Fleetwood Mac fan years ago. Now I am going to take this with a grain of salt but this is what he told me.
The guys were: Lindsey, Don Henley, Mick Fleetwood and Rupert Hine. Yeah not sure how he knew this or if any of it was true but I thought I would throw it out there.

Hmm, sounds a bit too convenient - four different men, all of whom are well-known as Stevie's boyfriends in the fandom. Lindsey and Don Henley are pretty much confirmed, but the rest... could be, I guess, but like you said I'll take it with a grain of salt.

Seriously, though, this is an intense topic. I've always felt kind of weird talking about it but hey, Stevie put it out there. One might blame Henley for the initial reveal but that only gives the details of one abortion. Stevie volunteered this info herself.

And while I'd like to think at least one was a miscarriage just because it makes me cringe to think of Stevie essentially using abortion as birth control, we know in the case of Henley it was definitely a choice. If Stevie didn't have a problem terminating one pregnancy for the sake of convenience, I don't see why she'd have a problem doing it twice... or more.

[carrie721]

I was listing other issues that have also almost completely destroyed this and other boards in past years, resulting in the ending of friendships,
bitter arguments, and vicious "taking sides" which got so bad that eventually a moderator had to step in and lock the thread and ban several people permanently.
I really do feel that was possible here; it's only a random occurrence that certain members just simply didn't happen to see this thread.

Trust me, I've seen this issue get VICIOUS between Fleetwood Mac fans.
(And, see above for the discussion of that.)
I was simply trying to remind people to try to keep it fun, keep their sense of humor,
and not get angry with each other. So far that seems to be the case.
I'm glad that's the way the cards happen to have fallen - this particular time around.
Basically I was rolling my eyes and saying, "OH no NOT AGAIN!"
I'm not saying I don't think it should be discussed - just that it seems like the 8 or 9 or 10 times I've seen it come up in the past, it's led to vicious arguments about 50% of the time. Hence the little bit of "eye-rolling" and a little feeling of "oh great, here we go AGAIN" ;)

and posting about it on your facebook is the perfect way to make sure this topic stays as low-profile as possible :rolleyes: :lol:

[~GoldDustWoman~]

To the guy who asked who EO17 was ripped off from, wasn't it Sting that said she got it from one of his songs or The Police (or Policeman?, can't remember the name). I'm not sure if thats correct but I think I remembering reading it on Wikipedia, granted that isn't a scholarly source.

[CADreaming]

Wow.. I sincerely apologize if I offended anyone or riled anything up. That was most certainly not my intention! That news was "new" to me.

You have nothing to apologize for. This is a discussion board with hopefully thousands of threads and topics. People can't expect everyone who visits here to know what are "hot topics" and will cause others to go bezerko just because people are expressing opinions or differing views on every little subject concerning Stevie, et. al. Take her hair (extensions) for instance....:laugh:

[CADreaming]

Seriously, though, this is an intense topic. I've always felt kind of weird talking about it but hey, Stevie put it out there. One might blame Henley for the initial reveal but that only gives the details of one abortion. Stevie volunteered this info herself.

According to the SA interview (which I finally listened to), she said the story behind the abortion hasn't been told.... :shrug:

And while I'd like to think at least one was a miscarriage just because it makes me cringe to think of Stevie essentially using abortion as birth control, we know in the case of Henley it was definitely a choice. If Stevie didn't have a problem terminating one pregnancy for the sake of convenience, I don't see why she'd have a problem doing it twice... or more.

I think she should tell what brand of birth control pill she was using, obviously ineffective. I wonder if no one told her that you could get pregnant while on the pill?

[skuncles]

According to the SA interview (which I finally listened to), she said the story behind the abortion hasn't been told.... :shrug:



I think she should tell what brand of birth control pill she was using, obviously ineffective. I wonder if no one told her that you could get pregnant while on the pill?

That's just it, I don't think she was on any birth control she was on cocaine though. And as she has said she lived the rock and roll lifestyle to the fullest. In the 70's and early 80's Stevie was pretty much every guys sexual fantasy and I don't believe Stevie is a prude (she may be a private person, but not a prude).
The story behind the abortions has not been told, by her. What she means is she has her reasons for doing what she did. She has said in many interviews that she was in a full time rock and roll band and she couldn't even take time off to go to the dentist. So if she couldn't find an hour to go to the dentist, how could she possibly find time to have a kid? Plus she wouldn't ever be around for the kid. She has actually done several interviews about not having kids and how if she had, she would not have been a great mother because her music always came first.
Keep in mind when this all happened was the 70's, hardcore sex, drugs and rock and roll was the lifestyle of a lot of people. Getting pregnant was a mere side effect and that could easily be taken care of.

[CADreaming]

That's just it, I don't think she was on any birth control she was on cocaine though. And as she has said she lived the rock and roll lifestyle to the fullest. In the 70's and early 80's Stevie was pretty much every guys sexual fantasy and I don't believe Stevie is a prude (she may be a private person, but not a prude).
The story behind the abortions has not been told, by her. What she means is she has her reasons for doing what she did. She has said in many interviews that she was in a full time rock and roll band and she couldn't even take time off to go to the dentist. So if she couldn't find an hour to go to the dentist, how could she possibly find time to have a kid? Plus she wouldn't ever be around for the kid. She has actually done several interviews about not having kids and how if she had, she would not have been a great mother because her music always came first.
Keep in mind when this all happened was the 70's, hardcore sex, drugs and rock and roll was the lifestyle of a lot of people. Getting pregnant was a mere side effect and that could easily be taken care of.

LOL!! Omg, if I only believed everything SN has ever said! Although, that dentist statement could be why she wears false teeth...

Btw, pure speculation on your part that she was stupid enough not to use birth control...but the point is we are ALL speculating about things we have very limited information about. The truth is more than likely in between and most people probably won't believe it if and when Stevie ever decides to reveal it. I think she will choose to always remain a mystery although I hope not. I find Stephanie a million times more fascinating than Stevie. Jmo.

[skuncles]

LOL!! Omg, if I only believed everything SN has ever said! Although, that dentist statement could be why she wears false teeth...

Btw, pure speculation on your part that she was stupid enough not to use birth control...but the point is we are ALL speculating about things we have very limited information about. The truth is more than likely in between and most people probably won't believe it if and when Stevie ever decides to reveal it. I think she will choose to always remain a mystery although I hope not. I find Stephanie a million times more fascinating than Stevie. Jmo.

You missed the point of what she was saying, I don't think she meant she literally never went to a dentist, it was just a way of pointing out how her lifestyle was.
Yes, it is all speculation. But my point is simply by her own statements she was not an innocent little girl. My opinion on the matter is based solely on what she herself has said and the times in which she was living.

[CADreaming]

You missed the point of what she was saying, I don't think she meant she literally never went to a dentist, it was just a way of pointing out how her lifestyle was.
Yes, it is all speculation. But my point is simply by her own statements she was not an innocent little girl. My opinion on the matter is based solely on what she herself has said and the times in which she was living.

Nope, didn't miss the point. :wavey:

Stevie not being innocent has nothing at all to do with the reasons for the terminations of her pegnancies, which only she alone (and maybe the father) know or understand.

[~GoldDustWoman~]

Ummm....Stevie wears false teeth?...I wouldn't have guessed that one!

[CADreaming]

Ummm....Stevie wears false teeth?...I wouldn't have guessed that one!

I was sorta kidding, but it could be PARTIALly true...:laugh:

[chiliD]

I was listing other issues that have also almost completely destroyed this and other boards in past years, resulting in the ending of friendships,bitter arguments, and vicious "taking sides" which got so bad that eventually a moderator had to step in and lock the thread and ban several people permanently. I really do feel that was possible here; it's only a random occurrence that certain members just simply didn't happen to see this thread.

In the case of "The Ledge War", it wasn't just the THREAD that was locked, it brought down THE ENTIRE LEDGE for a couple of months (because that was before we had the multiple forums, it was just one big forum for all eras...and fans of some eras didn't, and probably SHOULDN'T mix with fans of other eras). That was when Marty reconfigured the Ledge into the format in which we're now accustomed.

...and a little feeling of "oh great, here we go AGAIN" ;)

Yeah, me, too! That's why I posted my little paranoid blurb and mini-Ledge history lesson.

[michelej1]

Maybe I'm out of the loop, but from whom did she steal it from?

"Bring on the Night" by the Police. Waddy said he came into the studio session and played it like they told him. They said they were going for the Bring on the Night "feel" and he says he had never heard the song before, so he just did what they told him. This is from 1999:

I had heard something about the Police, but I didn't know what they were talking about. Then about two years ago, I had the radio on, and on comes what sounds like "Edge of Seventeen"-and all of a sudden, there's Sting's voice! I thought, "We ripped them off completely!" I called Stevie that night and said, "Listen to me, don't ever do that again!"
http://bla.fleetwoodmac.net/index.php?page=index_v2&id=590&c=17


Michele

[chiliD]

"Bring on the Night" by the Police. Waddy said he came into the studio session and played it like they told him. They said they were going for the Bring on the Night "feel" and he says he had never heard the song before, so he just did what they told him. This is from 1999:


http://bla.fleetwoodmac.net/index.php?page=index_v2&id=590&c=17


Michele

In reading that entire article, I almost did a spew-take with my Diet Coke when reading this:

You gave new meaning to the term "versatile" by signing on as Adam Sandler's musicial director, as well as scoring "The Waterboy."

At first I was a bit skeptical, though once we got on the road it worked out fine. But the funny part was when we got to Connecticut. I rang up Keith [Richards] and told him that we were going to be playing near him. And I said, "You won't believe this, Keith, but I'm working with a comedian." And he goes, "Aren't we all?"

[Jondalar]

Yes, Stevie had an abortion. But she did the world a favor. Another screwed up kid on the planet is not what this world needs. She knew she couldn't be a good mother and have a career and made the right choice - a very thoughtful choice. Now, had she had no job and needed money, she would of popped twelve out for the welfare check.

[CADreaming]

In reading that entire article, I almost did a spew-take with my Diet Coke when reading this:

You gave new meaning to the term "versatile" by signing on as Adam Sandler's musicial director, as well as scoring "The Waterboy."

At first I was a bit skeptical, though once we got on the road it worked out fine. But the funny part was when we got to Connecticut. I rang up Keith [Richards] and told him that we were going to be playing near him. And I said, "You won't believe this, Keith, but I'm working with a comedian." And he goes, "Aren't we all?"

Yes, Stevie had an abortion. But she did the world a favor. Another screwed up kid on the planet is not what this world needs. She knew she couldn't be a good mother and have a career and made the right choice - a very thoughtful choice. Now, had she had no job and needed money, she would of popped twelve out for the welfare check.

:laugh:
:laugh::laugh:

[nailatixela]

Yes, Stevie had an abortion. But she did the world a favor. Another screwed up kid on the planet is not what this world needs. She knew she couldn't be a good mother and have a career and made the right choice - a very thoughtful choice. Now, had she had no job and needed money, she would of popped twelve out for the welfare check.

Thanks for clearing up on the specifics on whether or not a certain woman would have produced a screwed up kid! You must be a doctor or something?

Seriously, I think we've had real good discussion on this and comments like these are probably in line with what started that old war that a previous poster brought up.

[vermicious knid]

Yeah, "did the world a favor" is pretty harsh, but Stevie herself has said she would have raised a dysfunctional child.

[Bubba Fleetwood]

You know what I keep thinking as I read all these posts? This is what I keep thinking, that I could live out the rest of this life, and then live out another life, and I still wouldn't have as much sex as Stevie has had......and that depresses me deeply.

[Bubba Fleetwood]

I'll tell you another thing I keep thinking about. These posts have basicly been about Stevie's sex life. There have been guys who have had hot sweaty sex with Stevie and all I got was a lousy handshake when I met her.......and that depresses me DEEPLY.

[Jondalar]

It's obvious that Stevie slept around, but haven't we all? I think it's the norm.

[daniellaaarisen]

You know what I keep thinking as I read all these posts? This is what I keep thinking, that I could live out the rest of this life, and then live out another life, and I still wouldn't have as much sex as Stevie has had......and that depresses me deeply.

Awesome.


I'll tell you another thing I keep thinking about. These posts have basicly been about Stevie's sex life. There have been guys who have had hot sweaty sex with Stevie and all I got was a lousy handshake when I met her.......and that depresses me DEEPLY.

Double awesome.

[CADreaming]

And while I'd like to think at least one was a miscarriage just because it makes me cringe to think of Stevie essentially using abortion as birth control,

And the reason why I lean towards (at least one) miscarriage, in Stevie's own words:

"Don't take me to the tower, and take my child away...and I who went to sleep as two, woke up as one..."

To me, a woman who is choosing to have an abortion is not going to say, "don't take my child away"...

And Matt Baumann's words about the recording of this song:

"One of the more emotional moments made it to the film and that was when Stevie and Lindsey recorded "Goodbye Baby". That was shot very quietly late at night and due to the subject matter, was a very private and personal moment between those two"

[SuiteShangriLa]

Stevie says in the SA Interview that Don Henley talked about her abortion in a magazine interview...does anyone know what magazine?
And didnt Dez Dickerson (Prince's former guitar player) make a similar claim to another magazine sometime in the early 80s about Stevie getting pregnant by him and her having an abortion??

[CADreaming]

Stevie says in the SA Interview that Don Henley talked about her abortion in a magazine interview...does anyone know what magazine?
And didnt Dez Dickenson (Prince's former guitar player) make a similar claim to another magazine sometime in the early 80s about Stevie getting pregnant by him and her having an abortion??

She said Vanity Fair in that interview and I think she's right.

[WelshWitchPMD]

Stevie says in the SA Interview that Don Henley talked about her abortion in a magazine interview...does anyone know what magazine?
And didnt Dez Dickenson (Prince's former guitar player) make a similar claim to another magazine sometime in the early 80s about Stevie getting pregnant by him and her having an abortion??

It was GQ magazine and I have it around someplace. I saw it on the newsstands years ago and knew there was going to be something mentioned about Stevie. Wow what I total shock I had when I saw that one!

[CADreaming]

It was GQ magazine and I have it around someplace. I saw it on the newsstands years ago and knew there was going to be something mentioned about Stevie. Wow what I total shock I had when I saw that one!

Yeah, here's what I found on a search, it's a copy from the article and another segment from the poster's comments:


The following quote is taken from Don Henley's 1991 interview with GQ:

[Henley's prodigious romantic escapades would include an affair with Stevie Nicks, who] "I believe to the best of my knowledge became pregnant by me. And she named the [unborn] kid Sara, and she had an abortion and then wrote the song of the same name to the spirit of the aborted baby. I was building my house at the time, and there's a line in the song that says ‘And when you build your house, call me.''

Following the release of that issue of GQ, there was a Stevie mention in the Sunday Parade, where a reader wrote in and asked how Stevie responded to Don's statement. The answer was:

"Stevie Nicks, 43, won't comment on Henley's revelation, only replies that they 'remain friends'. But in the notes to her new 'Best of' album, the singer writes candidly of love affairs she has had with rock stars Mick Fleetwood, Joe Walsh, and Henley. 'Finally, after all those years', Nicks says, 'people have to understand why these songs were written and why I sometimes get so emotional on stage, why I sometimes burst into tears.'"

Stevie was also asked about the GQ comment in an interview with Mary Turner in 1994. She responded by saying Don had to make many an apologetic phone call.

Understandably, it's a very personal subject-- the only other time she has publicly referenced it was in a 1992 interview with a UK magazine called VOX. Sadly she seems very disconnected and emotionally vulnerable in the interview, and even goes so far as to imply that she has lost four.

[SuiteShangriLa]

well she says Vanity Fair or some big magazine like that...what year was the interview with Don?

[CADreaming]

well she says Vanity Fair or some big magazine like that...what year was the interview with Don?

She says VF but it was GQ, 1991 : Henley (http://cgi.ebay.in/GQ-Gentlemans-Quarterly-Don-Henley-August-1991-/370431611444#ht_3387wt_1029)

[SuiteShangriLa]

Yeah, here's what I found on a search, it's a copy from the article and another segment from the poster's comments:

aah ok...didnt see this before my last post.
So, is there any info anywhere on the Dez Dickenson interview?

edit. its Dez Dickerson

[CADreaming]

Stevie says in the SA Interview that Don Henley talked about her abortion in a magazine interview...does anyone know what magazine?
And didnt Dez Dickerson (Prince's former guitar player) make a similar claim to another magazine sometime in the early 80s about Stevie getting pregnant by him and her having an abortion??

Not unless by "Stevie getting pregnant by him and her having an abortion" he meant he found religion, quit the rock business in 1983, and had turned down a lucrative touring gig playing bass with Stevie Nicks...:shrug:

[silvasprings]

I got this from Wikipedia on Dez Dickerson;
He recently released a book, My Time with Prince-Confessions of a Former Revolutionary, which tells of his time with Prince and the Revolution from his first audition in 1978 until his departure in 1983.Wikipedia:
This might have some info on his existant or non-existant relationship with Stevie.

[silvasprings]

Also according to the people over at some Prince forum, there is no "tabloid fodder or dirt dishing" in the book, so maybe that dispells the idea of info on this topic being in there.

[Nikolaj]

I seriously doubt SN and Prince were in a sexual relationship. I know that SN said at one time she made sure that it didn't become sexual between she and Prince, and I believe she meant it.

[ryguy2010]

And the reason why I lean towards (at least one) miscarriage, in Stevie's own words:



To me, a woman who is choosing to have an abortion is not going to say, "don't take my child away"...

And Matt Baumann's words about the recording of this song:

MY INTERPRETATION OF THE SONG AND SOME OF THE LYRICS OF GOODBYE BABY!

Isn't it possible that the tower is code for "cocaine" since it makes you high and towers are high... Couldn't it also be with the take my child away part, that she had to abort at least 1 of the fetuses due to the "tower"... it was I who was the hour glass= representative of child bearing hips being a woman... sands of time = fine grain so minute but so vast= smallness of a child but still a vast representation to something larger like the sand is to the ocean... shattering glass went past me= all of my illusions and dreams like wanting children have been shattered.... tunnel to the see = whirlwind of her emotions and her child drowning/dying in the abyss

[Meowi]

Ok Guys,
I think it's time we leave this touchy subject for now. I know, that whilst Ms Nicks lets us into her life with her songs - I do believe there are some issues left untouch about her personal life. Recently I have read some negatives posts on her personal life eg. Chery Cusella/Abortions/Secret Lovers. I know that these issues are discussed, but I also know that these discussions can lead to negativity.
We've all heard about the Great Ledge war of '97, do we really want another one?

[CADreaming]

MY INTERPRETATION OF THE SONG AND SOME OF THE LYRICS OF GOODBYE BABY!

Isn't it possible that the tower is code for "cocaine" since it makes you high and towers are high... Couldn't it also be with the take my child away part, that she had to abort at least 1 of the fetuses due to the "tower"... it was I who was the hour glass= representative of child bearing hips being a woman... sands of time = fine grain so minute but so vast= smallness of a child but still a vast representation to something larger like the sand is to the ocean... shattering glass went past me= all of my illusions and dreams like wanting children have been shattered.... tunnel to the see = whirlwind of her emotions and her child drowning/dying in the abyss

Wow...that's deep man. :rolleyes:


Ok Guys,
I think it's time we leave this touchy subject for now. I know, that whilst Ms Nicks lets us into her life with her songs - I do believe there are some issues left untouch about her personal life. Recently I have read some negatives posts on her personal life eg. Chery Cusella/Abortions/Secret Lovers. I know that these issues are discussed, but I also know that these discussions can lead to negativity.
We've all heard about the Great Ledge war of '97, do we really want another one?

All these kind of posts do is prove that you can't really have a discussion on a discussion board. Constant reminders of a "war" that happened years ago does nothing but incite the people who were involved to have another one... yes, discussions can lead to negativity, they also can lead to people thinking or seeing another perspective. People make distasteful remarks about Stevie's personal life on here all the time - mostly I think it's done in humor as bad as it may be. For a board with a majority of adults (questionable) to get enraged over differing opinions about her private life, which fans have pretty limited information about is totally absurd. I know it happens - it's just absurd.

Ok, I'm done....

[carrie721]

Ok Guys,
I think it's time we leave this touchy subject for now. I know, that whilst Ms Nicks lets us into her life with her songs - I do believe there are some issues left untouch about her personal life. Recently I have read some negatives posts on her personal life eg. Chery Cusella/Abortions/Secret Lovers. I know that these issues are discussed, but I also know that these discussions can lead to negativity.
We've all heard about the Great Ledge war of '97, do we really want another one?

the tone of this thread has been shockingly civil. and considering stevie made the abortion topic public herself, you can't really say this is untouchable. it might make you uncomfortable, but that's your problem.

[skuncles]

the tone of this thread has been shockingly civil. and considering stevie made the abortion topic public herself, you can't really say this is untouchable. it might make you uncomfortable, but that's your problem.

I agree but I think the problem with this particular topic is that many fans refuse to accept that Stevie had an abortion or abortions. For some I think it goes against their stand on the issue and it bothers them that someone they admire so much could have done something that they don't agree with. That's perfectly fine. But as you said, this is a topic that Stevie has discussed more than once. It's not a matter of speculation that she did or didn't, she has said flat out that she did. But as I said I think many just don't want to believe that their beloved Stevie could do something like this. That is where much of the strong feelings come from. This topic ALWAYS gets people going be it here or at the other Stevie groups. The other topic that gets strong feelings on both sides is whether or not "Street Angel" sucks or not. Again oddly enough both of these topics were discussed by Stevie in the same interview!! ;P

[Kena]

Wow...that's deep man. :rolleyes:




All these kind of posts do is prove that you can't really have a discussion on a discussion board. Constant reminders of a "war" that happened years ago does nothing but incite the people who were involved to have another one... yes, discussions can lead to negativity, they also can lead to people thinking or seeing another perspective. People make distasteful remarks about Stevie's personal life on here all the time - mostly I think it's done in humor as bad as it may be. For a board with a majority of adults (questionable) to get enraged over differing opinions about her private life, which fans have pretty limited information about is totally absurd. I know it happens - it's just absurd.

Ok, I'm done....

That's exactly what I keep thinking. Also, because I was not involved in the war I can't wrap my mind around it being that bad. So I guess this could very well incite a great war part 2 but maybe not.

What we need around here is some Stevie or Lindsey or FM action to give us something to chew on so we don't start picking scabs.

Anywho, In 1997 all I was doing was wearing out The Dance CD. I enjoyed that very much.

[SapphireSister]

I'll tell you another thing I keep thinking about. These posts have basicly been about Stevie's sex life. There have been guys who have had hot sweaty sex with Stevie and all I got was a lousy handshake when I met her.......and that depresses me DEEPLY.
Bubba don't forget about the ladies...you know I tapped that back in the 80's and it was way overrated :p. At least I can safely say none of the abortions were a result of our encounter! :nod:

[SapphireSister]

Too bad they didn't have the morning after pill back then...

[Fleetwoodmark]

I'm not sure about you but to have four abortions is very distasteful. At that number you could almost consider it as birth control. No matter how much I love Stevie I don't think that can be excused.

[CADreaming]

So far, Stevie herself has only admitted to ONE abortion. She "lost" 4 children, working under the assumption one article is correct and nothing was taken out of context. Tough call.

I have to go now, I'm getting all verklempt because my snow-white image of Stevie has been tarnished....;)

[SapphireSister]

So far, Stevie herself has only admitted to ONE abortion. She "lost" 4 children, working under the assumption one article is correct and nothing was taken out of context. Tough call.

I have to go now, I'm getting al verklempt because my snow-white image of Stevie has been tarnished....;)
Actually, snow white is pretty accurate. ;)

[Fannymac]

This may have already been addressed, but the Don Henley quote was in Rolling Stone around the time INSIDE JOB came out.....I still remember reading it....my jaw was on the floor, and I could help but feel sorry for Stevie....it just seemed like he had crossed a line that shouldn't have been crossed.

[Fannymac]

I agree but I think the problem with this particular topic is that many fans refuse to accept that Stevie had an abortion or abortions. For some I think it goes against their stand on the issue and it bothers them that someone they admire so much could have done something that they don't agree with. That's perfectly fine. But as you said, this is a topic that Stevie has discussed more than once. It's not a matter of speculation that she did or didn't, she has said flat out that she did. But as I said I think many just don't want to believe that their beloved Stevie could do something like this. That is where much of the strong feelings come from. This topic ALWAYS gets people going be it here or at the other Stevie groups. The other topic that gets strong feelings on both sides is whether or not "Street Angel" sucks or not. Again oddly enough both of these topics were discussed by Stevie in the same interview!! ;P

I'm definitely pro-choice, but I've got to say.....FOUR??? One, O.K., two, maybe....but FOUR?? Abortion IS NOT a form of birth control.
I think this might be what some people have a problem with (aside from the folks who flat-out don't believe in it!).
On the flipside, though, I agree....this is none of our business. Stevie's songs, her singing, her performances...that's all we need to be concerned about or think we have a say in. Any thing else is HER life, Nuff said!

[Bubba Fleetwood]

Bubba don't forget about the ladies...you know I tapped that back in the 80's and it was way overrated :p. At least I can safely say none of the abortions were a result of our encounter! :nod:Oh sure, throw THAT in my face now, why don't ya!!!!!!!!! :D

[Bubba Fleetwood]

Actually, snow white is pretty accurate. ;)Yeah, that's what "Big Curtis" said. :cool:

[petep9000]

Stevie's songs, her singing, her performances...that's all we need to be concerned about or think we have a say in!

I disagree. We also need to be concerned and feel we have a say in whether Stevie wears platform Reeboks versus suede platform boots, whether she uses a plastic crescent-moon tamborine verses a wooden round one, whether she bedecks her mic stand with black ribbons versus real flowers, etc.
We also need to be concerned whether she sounds nasal and dull versus ferocious and speaking-in-tongues, whether she sways from side-to-side with legs in a V-formation or launches into full-out gypsy spins, etc.

There is still MUCH to be concerned with.

[carrie721]

On the flipside, though, I agree....this is none of our business. Stevie's songs, her singing, her performances...that's all we need to be concerned about or think we have a say in. Any thing else is HER life, Nuff said!

what, so even if it's something stevie has addressed, the fans can't discuss it? bullsh*t. as skuncles said, it's not speculation. stevie threw it out there. it's too late to put the lid on it.

[Tango]

I'm definitely pro-choice, but I've got to say.....FOUR??? One, O.K., two, maybe....but FOUR?? Abortion IS NOT a form of birth control.


Um, yes it is. Either you believe in Stevie's right to choose, or you don't.

[Ghost_Tracker]

Um, yes it is. Either you believe in Stevie's right to choose, or you don't.


As Britney Spears once said,

"LADIES and GENTLEMEN - - - START your ENGINES!!!"

Wake me if the barn burns down.... :rolleyes:

[CADreaming]

As Britney Spears once said,

"LADIES and GENTLEMEN - - - START your ENGINES!!!"

Wake me if the barn burns down.... :rolleyes:

See you could've left that alone...and if it starts something it becomes not about Stevie Nicks, but a political debate that belongs in another forum.

[APerfectLie]

I say we have the right to discuss it all we want. But I also say, who cares if Stevie had 4 abortions? For starters, she was addicted to cocaine. Do you really think it would be a good idea to give birth to a child while addicted to coke? Secondly, Stevie was extremely busy in those years, she didn't have time to take nine months off to be pregnant and then raise a child. Having a child was very dangerous for her, not only physically, but financially. Stevie Nicks may have just gone into the abyss and been an unknown one hit wonder had she had children. So she was forced with a decision and she chose to abort. That being said, I don't think Stevie threw the pregnancy test in the trash and waltzed down to the abortion clinic before lunch and with a click of her heels was like, "Oh hey Jim, I'm back for another abortion! Suck it out quick, I've got a steak and some chardonnay with my name on it waiting for me." I think these were tough decisions for her and she made them because she felt she had to, but they still haunt her today. "And I who went to sleep in tears, woke in tears for all of the years" shows she is still deeply sad she didn't keep the children and "yes, I was outspoken" shows she feels today like abortion was the wrong decision. If I had been in Stevie's position, I don't know what I would have done, so I don't hold it against her.

[Aussie W/Heart]

Well said:thumbsup:

[MissLadyLoki]

I say we have the right to discuss it all we want. But I also say, who cares if Stevie had 4 abortions? For starters, she was addicted to cocaine. Do you really think it would be a good idea to give birth to a child while addicted to coke? Secondly, Stevie was extremely busy in those years, she didn't have time to take nine months off to be pregnant and then raise a child. Having a child was very dangerous for her, not only physically, but financially. Stevie Nicks may have just gone into the abyss and been an unknown one hit wonder had she had children. So she was forced with a decision and she chose to abort. That being said, I don't think Stevie threw the pregnancy test in the trash and waltzed down to the abortion clinic before lunch and with a click of her heels was like, "Oh hey Jim, I'm back for another abortion! Suck it out quick, I've got a steak and some chardonnay with my name on it waiting for me." I think these were tough decisions for her and she made them because she felt she had to, but they still haunt her today. "And I who went to sleep in tears, woke in tears for all of the years" shows she is still deeply sad she didn't keep the children and "yes, I was outspoken" shows she feels today like abortion was the wrong decision. If I had been in Stevie's position, I don't know what I would have done, so I don't hold it against her.

Great job and well said! I can't help but agree with you! :D

[Bubba Fleetwood]

If I can throw in my 2 cents here and be serious for a minute. At the end of the day, I....don't .....care. Hey, we all have regrets. Some of us have some pretty major regrets too. It's called, "Living Your Life and Making Decisions At That Time." As you get older, there is alot of...would've....should've....could've ....that you live with, but in the end, you just shung and say, "Yeah, well I didn't." and you get on with the rest of your life. If Stevie had any of these abortions, she didn't have them lightly and I'm sure she lives with the decisions but it does not change how I feel about her one single bit. I have always loved the fact that Stevie played the boys game of drugs, sex and rock & roll and played it just as well as they did and yet, she didn't try to be one of the boys. She didn't try to butch it up. She remained a woman with her lace and her pretty things and she surrounded herself with beautiful women. But she played that game.......and she crashed and burned for it too. But she came out of the weckage stronger and wiser and that's all you can ask of anybody. Hey, we all love the dirt ( admit it) and I've heard some stories that are pretty darn wild and shocking ( like at lot of you, I'm sure) but I don't judge Stevie. It's all part of a wild and damn interesting life of a rock & roll woman named Stevie Nicks and it's a big reason why she fascinates me so much.

[~GoldDustWoman~]

She is a celebrity, people should expect stuff like this will eventually surface. If people don't like it then don't read about it. I'm sure she regrets it, i'm sure all women who have abortions wish in the end they hadn't done it. Personally I don't agree with abortion i think it's wrong, but i'm not going to say she's a bad person cause she did it.

[CADreaming]

If I can throw in my 2 cents here and be serious for a minute. At the end of the day, I....don't .....care. Hey, we all have regrets. Some of us have some pretty major regrets too. It's called, "Living Your Life and Making Decisions At That Time." As you get older, there is alot of...would've....should've....could've ....that you live with, but in the end, you just shung and say, "Yeah, well I didn't." and you get on with the rest of your life. If Stevie had any of these abortions, she didn't have them lightly and I'm sure she lives with the decisions but it does not change how I feel about her one single bit. I have always loved the fact that Stevie played the boys game of drugs, sex and rock & roll and played it just as well as they did and yet, she didn't try to be one of the boys. She didn't try to butch it up. She remained a woman with her lace and her pretty things and she surrounded herself with beautiful women. But she played that game.......and she crashed and burned for it too. But she came out of the weckage stronger and wiser and that's all you can ask of anybody. Hey, we all love the dirt ( admit it) and I've heard some stories that are pretty darn wild and shocking ( like at lot of you, I'm sure) but I don't judge Stevie. It's all part of a wild and damn interesting life of a rock & roll woman named Stevie Nicks and it's a big reason why she fascinates me so much.

That was an excellent post Bubba. I mean I don't know how much of the image is real, how many stories are true and how much of it is part of a record company's smoke and mirrors - but at the end of the day despite what we know or don't know or whatever we perceive about her actions - embellished or not - whatever she did, she did and she has had to live with the consequences. I think she's wiser too. She's one of the few women to

[cliffdweller]

Her home in Encino - up the road from Dave Stewart's house and over the brow of the hill from that of her former lover Tom Petty

This seriously makes me question the credibility of the "facts" in this dude's article.

[carrie721]

See you could've left that alone...and if it starts something it becomes not about Stevie Nicks, but a political debate that belongs in another forum.

especially since the thread had already been dead for more than 24 hours.

[AnthonyMI]

look at it this way... if Steve had given birth in the early to mid 70's that child would be nearing 40. Lets say that child had children at 18-20 years old. Now, if Stevie's grandchild had kids at 18-20 years old..

Stevie would be a Great-Grandma by now!

[CADreaming]

especially since the thread had already been dead for more than 24 hours.

My sentiments exactly.

[David]

I believe that Stevie Nicks has had four portions.

[Macfanforever]

This is a little personal about Stevie's life..I will stay out of this.

[ryguy2010]

This seriously makes me question the credibility of the "facts" in this dude's article.

Sorry to use you as an example but I will. If this weren't true, her team of experts would have sued and had this removed from the net. As you all have said this article has been circulated all over the net for years, heck decades. Sorry to dispell your fantasies but it is true, hence the quotes wrapped around her quotes. Believe me if it weren't like I said, no need to be redundant..............

[CADreaming]

Sorry to use you as an example but I will. If this weren't true, her team of experts would have sued and had this removed from the net. As you all have said this article has been circulated all over the net for years, heck decades. Sorry to dispell your fantasies but it is true, hence the quotes wrapped around her quotes. Believe me if it weren't like I said, no need to be redundant..............

Damn. So, she did love it up with Tom Petty.... :rolleyes:

I think the validity of the journalist is being questioned due to proper punctuation placement. In this article, the journalist (not using quotation marks since he wrote the article) states that Tom Petty was Stevie's lover. However, in other articles, journalists did use quotation marks around texts attributed to Stevie in which she claimed she and Tom are only friends and never lovers.

Time for another School House Rock song - this one to be entitled, "Punctuation" ...

[ryguy2010]

Damn. So, she did love it up with Tom Petty.... :rolleyes:

I think the validity of the journalist is being questioned due to proper punctuation placement. In this article, the journalist (not using quotation marks since he wrote the article) states that Tom Petty was Stevie's lover. However, in other articles, journalists did use quotation marks around texts attributed to Stevie in which she claimed she and Tom are only friends and never lovers.

Time for another School House Rock song - this one to be entitled, "Punctuation" ...



Hahaha, nice eye rolls... Obviously you can misquote yourself or mispeak, called freedom of press, but misquoting a " " is a differen't story. Anyone knows that if you are going to cite, or quote a source, you better really be quoting what they are saying! Notice no quotes around the journalists own words.... If those were blotched and not Stevie own words, that mag publicist would have been slammed! No need for sarcasm b/c I am pointing out a careful and thoughtful fact! Oh and the way they can get away with taking things out of context or misconstruing a quote to only allow the reader to see what they want them to "see" is called .................... paraphrasing! Hope this helps to inform you

[ryguy2010]

Hahaha, nice eye rolls... Obviously you can misquote yourself or mispeak, called freedom of press, but misquoting a " " is a differen't story. Anyone knows that if you are going to cite, or quote a source, you better really be quoting what they are saying! Notice no quotes around the journalists own words.... If those were blotched and not Stevie own words, that mag publicist would have been slammed! No need for sarcasm b/c I am pointing out a careful and thoughtful fact! Oh and the way they can get away with taking things out of context or misconstruing a quote to only allow the reader to see what they want them to "see" is called .................... paraphrasing! Hope this helps to inform you

Oh and btw... I think it is time for some school house rocks.... Oh and btw, I really hope the journalist doesn't slap a suit on himself considering he wrote the article lol. Just watch the news, with freedom of speach/ press it is the fodder for the tabloids and all of the "reality" E. News and every other thing we have lost in the name of real journalism!

[ryguy2010]

;)Oh and don't criticize my writing too btw... I am not a journalist, didn't write the article just spewing the facts. I realize I spelt speech "speach" and said oh btw like 2x just too tired. I noticed being on here and a member in as short of a time as I have.. We always have the one sarcastic one/ know it all that doesn't. :rolleyes:. No offense, well partially ;)

[CADreaming]

;)Oh and don't criticize my writing too btw... I am not a journalist, didn't write the article just spewing the facts. I realize I spelt speech "speach" and said oh btw like 2x just too tired. I noticed being on here and a member in as short of a time as I have.. We always have the one sarcastic one/ know it all that doesn't. :rolleyes:. No offense, well partially ;)

No offense taken. Yes, I was having a little fun and being sarcastic... but, I was trying to point out the hole in your argument. Your original comment was based on the other post in which the poster (cliffdweller) questioned the credibility of the article because the journalist reported Stevie and Tom were lovers as a fact. Based on that post, you implied the article was totally true because Stevie was quoted. I was pointing out that she has been quoted as saying she and Tom were not lovers. Therefore, the integrity of the journalist must be questioned from the start, since he stated they were lovers and Stevie has been quoted they weren't. It throws the entire piece out if you use that line of argument.

That's all I was saying...

What I believe is what is probably true for all pieces - there is a lot of truth, a lot of misrepresentation of truth intermingled with actual quotes that are used out of context in order for a writer to manipulate it to his/her story. And, there is a LOT of shoddy research. It's pitiful, really...

Oh, and btw, Stevie wouldn't have necessarily sued. Celebrities do not sue every time some untruth is written. I think a lot of times they leave it alone just to keep from opening up more cans of worms, even when they have a legitimate basis for a lawsuit.

[michelej1]

Oh, and btw, Stevie wouldn't have necessarily sued. Celebrities do not sue every time some untruth is written. I think a lot of times they leave it alone just to keep from opening up more cans of worms, even when they have a legitimate basis for a lawsuit.

And when they do so, it's not because they were misquoted. It's because an out and out lie was told. Celebrities and politicians, especially, are always misquoted. If the comment was not verbatim but still captures the gist of what you said, there's no point in suing, especially since the journalist is usually the one with the recording that can prove exactly what was said, not you.

Michele

[SortaSavageLike]

I'm not sure which is worse - aborting the child, or ending up with a daughter named LeeLee-Rhiannon Buckingham. I can't imagine someone with that name having a very pleasant time in high school.

[Silver Springs]

I'm not sure which is worse - aborting the child, or ending up with a daughter named LeeLee-Rhiannon Buckingham. I can't imagine someone with that name having a very pleasant time in high school.

Of course. Because Apple, Fifi Trixibelle and Peaches coast right through :rolleyes: LeeLee is tame and actually kind of nice.

[krrrby]

I'm not trying to start anything by saying this but...

True, Henley said something in the magazine about the "abortion."
True, Stevie said something in another interview about having abortion(s).

But when it really comes down to it, it's all just gossip. I'm sure it's pretty safe to say that nobody here is closely in touch or is a very personal and close friend of Stevie's.

So at the end of the day, none of us will ever REALLY know (for now) what really happened with Stevie, and I think it should just be left at that.

We all know what the saying is when you "assume" something?

I, personally, am more focused and excited about her new album than how many babies she allegedly dropped.

Seriously.

$0.02

[CADreaming]

And when they do so, it's not because they were misquoted. It's because an out and out lie was told. Celebrities and politicians, especially, are always misquoted. If the comment was not verbatim but still captures the gist of what you said, there's no point in suing, especially since the journalist is usually the one with the recording that can prove exactly what was said, not you.

Michele

Unless they forget to hit record or are going by notes...that would suck - to find out that you could have sued and won... and Stevie would end up suing herself if she sued for an out and out lie. LOL.


I'm not sure which is worse - aborting the child, or ending up with a daughter named LeeLee-Rhiannon Buckingham. I can't imagine someone with that name having a very pleasant time in high school.

I thought it was Lily - sorta sounds like Leelee but...it's not.

[ryguy2010]

Ok.. To Ca Dreaming, sorry but let me just point out again what I was saying and referring to. The validity of some of the journalists words can be passed as non-valid. But the point that was being made was the point about Stevie directly, hence the quotes wrapped around what she was saying being stated. That part is valid and people are in denial. Oh and believe me, when it comes to such a serious and controversial topic such as abortion, Stevie would've definitely cleared her name and sued the mag or had her legal experts all over it. Come on this article is over twenty years old. Do you honestly believe she wouldn't have gotten wind of this by now and cleared her name and smacked a lawsuit or forced the mag to remove this article by now? Just being a realist is all. Oh and like you stated, Stevie was quoted saying they never had a relationship (her and Tom Petty). That means she is lying about it and telling the world this or it didn't happen, we will never know her truth but have to take her word on it, since she was quoted as saying such. On the other hand, I don't think Stevie would incriminate herself saying she had an abortion 4 and it not be true. Get what I'm saying? There isn't a hole in my argument either because I am only arguing the facts (her speaking) not what could be irrelevant or mistaken like what the journalist says in the article.

[CADreaming]

Ok.. To Ca Dreaming, sorry but let me just point out again what I was saying and referring to. The validity of some of the journalists words can be passed as non-valid. But the point that was being made was the point about Stevie directly, hence the quotes wrapped around what she was saying being stated. That part is valid and people are in denial. Oh and believe me, when it comes to such a serious and controversial topic such as abortion, Stevie would've definitely cleared her name and sued the mag or had her legal experts all over it. Come on this article is over twenty years old. Do you honestly believe she wouldn't have gotten wind of this by now and cleared her name and smacked a lawsuit or forced the mag to remove this article by now? Just being a realist is all. Oh and like you stated, Stevie was quoted saying they never had a relationship (her and Tom Petty). That means she is lying about it and telling the world this or it didn't happen, we will never know her truth but have to take her word on it, since she was quoted as saying such. On the other hand, I don't think Stevie would incriminate herself saying she had an abortion 4 and it not be true. Get what I'm saying? There isn't a hole in my argument either because I am only arguing the facts (her speaking) not what could be irrelevant or mistaken like what the journalist says in the article.

That's cool - but that's not what you based your original post on. I get your point. You just shouldn't have used the journalist's Tom Petty comment as part of that argument. It threw your entire stance off to me.

[ryguy2010]

That's cool - but that's not what you based your original post on. I get your point. You just shouldn't have used the journalist's Tom Petty comment as part of that argument. It threw your entire stance off to me.

Actually it is but it didn't capture all of what was said by the person I was making an example of. Computer malfunction I guess. .. Oh well I am done talking about it.. Sorry hope to have not offended you :) You just are a tad sarcastic! Iget your sense of humor though b/c I have a twisted one myslef :)

[jannieC]

I believe that Stevie Nicks has had four portions.

I though she was wanted fo(u)r extortion.

[Bubba Fleetwood]

Hey, whatever Stevie has done in her life, at least she never went out in public wearing a meat dress.

[Silver Springs]

Hey, whatever Stevie has done in her life, at least she never went out in public wearing a meat dress.

Amen......

[SortaSavageLike]

Hey, whatever Stevie has done in her life, at least she never went out in public wearing a meat dress.

I'd be tickled pink if someone could photoshop a Rumours-era photo of Stevie wearing her black batwing dress, but with the batwings replaced with salami, turkey, ham, etc.

[Bubba Fleetwood]

I'd be tickled pink if someone could photoshop a Rumours-era photo of Stevie wearing her black batwing dress, but with the batwings replaced with salami, turkey, ham, etc.Or a more recent concert shot.......just make sure you put a couple of nice hams in the back, yum!

[CADreaming]

Actually it is but it didn't capture all of what was said by the person I was making an example of. Computer malfunction I guess. .. Oh well I am done talking about it.. Sorry hope to have not offended you :) You just are a tad sarcastic! Iget your sense of humor though b/c I have a twisted one myslef :)

I "like to be twisted..." ;)

Yeah, sarcasm is my defense mechanism, I guess! (That and I just think it's funny most of the time)...No harm, no foul. :)

[CADreaming]

Or a more recent concert shot.......just make sure you put a couple of nice hams in the back, yum!

OUCH!! :laugh:

[SuperFleetwood]

Hey, whatever Stevie has done in her life, at least she never went out in public wearing a meat dress.

LOLOLOLLOLOLOL!!

[kokoro]

Oh and believe me, when it comes to such a serious and controversial topic such as abortion, Stevie would've definitely cleared her name and sued the mag or had her legal experts all over it. Come on this article is over twenty years old. Do you honestly believe she wouldn't have gotten wind of this by now and cleared her name and smacked a lawsuit or forced the mag to remove this article by now?

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I've read more than enough articles that are so utterly inaccurate and sensationalist, but the celebrity doesn't bother taking any action because it ultimately wouldn't be worth it. Vox wasn't even a particularly successful magazine. Assuming the interviewer really did misrepresent her (which he definitely did in regards to her relationship with Tom), I doubt Stevie would have benefited from taking legal action. Ultimately, I think it just would've brought a bunch of attention to the magazine and to the article.


Hey, whatever Stevie has done in her life, at least she never went out in public wearing a meat dress.

Or asked Lindsey to hold her meat purse.

[louielouie2000]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I've read more than enough articles that are so utterly inaccurate and sensationalist, but the celebrity doesn't bother taking any action because it ultimately wouldn't be worth it. Vox wasn't even a particularly successful magazine. Assuming the interviewer really did misrepresent her (which he definitely did in regards to her relationship with Tom), I doubt Stevie would have benefited from taking legal action. Ultimately, I think it just would've brought a bunch of attention to the magazine and to the article.

As has been seen with the ongoing stories of movies about herself and Fleetwood Mac, we know Stevie is fiercely protective of her legacy. She'll have no part of anyone telling her story without her involvement and sanction, or she's threatened to retaliate so badly any project would fail. Stevie who flatly refuses to get involved in political debates, and is famously complimentary of other celebs, has been publicly handed Lindsay Lohan her @ss... simply because she doesn't want Lindsay's problems associated with her. Stevie's told those who believe she's a witch "to get a life!" If Stevie truly didn't have multiple abortions, she would have come out with a ferocity the likes of which we've never seen. Stevie's written countless songs about angels, children, etc... and if she actually hadn't terminated several pregnancies, you better believe she wouldn't have let that idly slip by her and mar the persona she'd spent decades building.

[carrie721]

Of course. Because Apple, Fifi Trixibelle and Peaches coast right through :rolleyes: LeeLee is tame and actually kind of nice.

the lack of humor on the ledge is truly depressing.

i'm fairly confident sortasavagelike was not attempting a sweeping analysis of celebrity child names. it was a joke. leelee-rhiannon would be a stupid name. christ.

[michelej1]

If Stevie truly didn't have multiple abortions, she would have come out with a ferocity the likes of which we've never seen.[/B] Stevie's written countless songs about angels, children, etc... and if she actually hadn't terminated several pregnancies, you better believe she wouldn't have let that idly slip by her and mar the persona she'd spent decades building.

You're talking about conduct she has undertaken recently, not 20 years ago.

Stevie wasn't even on her game when this article came out. All she has to do with herself now is read the Twilight saga and comment on Lindsay Lohan and Taylor Swift. Back then, she was struggling to stay lucid and her management was picking her up off the floor. Taking the time to sue foreign magazines was the last thing on their agenda. She probably did have multiple abortions, but the fact that she didn't sue that magazine isn't proof of that. She never sued for the claim that she used a different coke orifice either. When asked about it, she denied it. Other than the Don Henley comment and the statement that the cat was out of the bag, she hasn't been asked about the abortions.

It may be true and it may not. Split the difference (or the babies) and maybe she had TWO abortions, not four. Whatever, the claim that since it appeared in print it must be true is illogical.

Michele

[Bubba Fleetwood]

OUCH!! :laugh:No no.....now, if you noticed, I typed "yum" at the end of the sentence. What I typed was not an insult, it was ......admiration.

[CADreaming]

the claim that since it appeared in print it must be true is illogical.

Michele

Thank you.

And, that goes for any subject.

[CADreaming]

No no.....now, if you noticed, I typed "yum" at the end of the sentence. What I typed was not an insult, it was ......admiration.

ROFLOL! That just makes it funnier! :wavey:

[Tango]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I've read more than enough articles that are so utterly inaccurate and sensationalist, but the celebrity doesn't bother taking any action because it ultimately wouldn't be worth it. Vox wasn't even a particularly successful magazine. Assuming the interviewer really did misrepresent her (which he definitely did in regards to her relationship with Tom), I doubt Stevie would have benefited from taking legal action. Ultimately, I think it just would've brought a bunch of attention to the magazine and to the article.


I suggest were it not for the "evil" internet and the article's occassion appearance on this and other fan sites most people would not have heard of any of this personal information--apart from Don Henley's interview. Does it sound like he is expressing remorse over the event? Like he wanted a child? Or was it some crazy "score" bragging? How does one characterize his interview mention of his relationship with Stevie? Incidental? Accidental? Careless?

What is known is that Stevie never wished the information to be shared in the way that it was shared. Stevie did share to the extent that she wished, via "Goodbye Baby," and "Sara," as she has with other songs about her life. In many of her songs--"Trouble In Shangri-la" comes to mind in particular--you often get the feeling she is sharing something personal, but it's well hidden.

[APerfectLie]

I suggest were it not for the "evil" internet and the article's occassion appearance on this and other fan sites most people would not have heard of any of this personal information--apart from Don Henley's interview. Does it sound like he is expressing remorse over the event? Like he wanted a child? Or was it some crazy "score" bragging? How does one characterize his interview mention of his relationship with Stevie? Incidental? Accidental? Careless?

What is known is that Stevie never wished the information to be shared in the way that it was shared. Stevie did share to the extent that she wished, via "Goodbye Baby," and "Sara," as she has with other songs about her life. In many of her songs--"Trouble In Shangri-la" comes to mind in particular--you often get the feeling she is sharing something personal, but it's well hidden.

I've never seen how Sara could possibly be about abortion. The only line that seems to fit is "and now it's gone, it doesn't matter what for."

[CADreaming]

What is known is that Stevie never wished the information to be shared in the way that it was shared. Stevie did share to the extent that she wished, via "Goodbye Baby," and "Sara," as she has with other songs about her life. In many of her songs--"Trouble In Shangri-la" comes to mind in particular--you often get the feeling she is sharing something personal, but it's well hidden.

Exactly. Which is why the real story - as she has said - hasn't been told and we may never know. The way she chooses to share her life, even though we are given a glimpse, is still very private and we may all misconstrue the details since she does hide things so well. Or we may be interpreting something to be about her life that is based on something she was inspired by through fiction or poetry, although she may relate to it on some level.

[louielouie2000]

Stevie wasn't even on her game when this article came out. Back then, she was struggling to stay lucid and her management was picking her up off the floor.

Michele

See? That's exactly why I do believe the story is true. Stevie was so whacked out, her defenses were down. She was vulnerable, and that weakness was exploited by this journalist. To me, the simpler possibility is always the right one. Was there a huge conspiracy by Don Henley and the press to paint Stevie as a baby killer, or did Stevie really just make some bad decisions fueled by drugs, and terminate pregnancies? Seems like an easy question to answer to me. :shrug:

Since you bring up the coke-up-bum rumor, I also believe it's more than likely true. And not just because I like to believe less than flattering things about Stevie, but because it simply makes sense. She goes to a dr, dr tells her to stop doing coke up her nose or she'll die of a brain hemorrhage. Stevie says she can't stop during the middle of a tour, so she gets her coke fix another way until she can get her a@ss to Betty Ford... literally! :p

[CADreaming]

Since you bring up the coke-up-bum rumor, I also believe it's more than likely true. And not just because I like to believe less than flattering things about Stevie, but because it simply makes sense. She goes to a dr, dr tells her to stop doing coke up her nose or she'll die of a brain hemorrhage. Stevie says she can't stop during the middle of a tour, so she gets her coke fix another way until she can get her a@ss to Betty Ford... literally! :p

I've always managed to stay away from this topic, but I just wonder if there would be any REASON for her to do that. For instance, the question that pops into my head is - could someone actually get high by having cocaine blown into their butt? It's just a really curious thing to me...and along those *a-hem* lines, this article may be helpful to some:

20 Things that Do NOT Belong in Your Butt (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/388700/20_things_that_do_not_belong_in_your.html?singlepage=true&cat=5)

[Bubba Fleetwood]

I've never seen how Sara could possibly be about abortion. The only line that seems to fit is "and now it's gone, it doesn't matter what for."What about that last beautiful line, "there's a heartbeat and it never really died." Could be about that or it could be about Robin, you can only guess. That's one of the great things about Stevie's songs. They are all open to soooo many different opinions. And every single one could be dead wrong . :lol: Only Stevie knows. Btw, I have heard for many years that, "The Long Run" is absolutely about Stevie and the lines, "did you do it for love/did you do it for money/did you do it for spite/did you think you had to honey." is about the subject.

[CADreaming]

What about that last beautiful line, "there's a heartbeat and it never really died." Could be about that or it could be about Robin, you can only guess. That's one of the great things about Stevie's songs. They are all open to soooo many different opinions. And every single one could be dead wrong . :lol: Only Stevie knows. Btw, I have heard for many years that, "The Long Run" is absolutely about Stevie and the lines, "did you do it for love/did you do it for money/did you do it for spite/did you think you had to honey." is about the subject.

Sara was before Robin's death...

[skuncles]

I've always believed that "The Tower" (later know as "Goodbye Baby") was clearly about her unborn child. However after discussing this topic with those much more familiar with it than I am, I have learned that the song is much more likely one of the "Rhiannon" songs as it fits the story line of the Evangeline Walton story of Rhiannon almost verbatim. I have the books, but I've never read them.
As for "Sara", I think that is in part about the unborn child. The song is about everything that was going on after the recording of "Rumours". She has often said that if she were to have a kid she would have named her Sara. She also used the name Sara Anderson when she checked into hotels. And Sara is the alias she used while at Betty Ford, thus "Welcome To The Room...Sara".

[CADreaming]

I've always believed that "The Tower" (later know as "Goodbye Baby") was clearly about her unborn child. However after discussing this topic with those much more familiar with it than I am, I have learned that the song is much more likely one of the "Rhiannon" songs as it fits the story line of the Evangeline Walton story of Rhiannon almost verbatim.

I've read that too but I'll post it again:

Matt Baumann (director of Destiny Rules): "one of the more emotional moments made it to the film and that was when Stevie and Lindsey recorded "Goodbye Baby". That was shot very quietly late at night and due to the subject matter, was a very private and personal moment between those two."

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think he would have said that if the song was purely fictional...

[APerfectLie]

I've read that too but I'll post it again:

Matt Baumann (director of Destiny Rules): "one of the more emotional moments made it to the film and that was when Stevie and Lindsey recorded "Goodbye Baby". That was shot very quietly late at night and due to the subject matter, was a very private and personal moment between those two."

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think he would have said that if the song was purely fictional...

I don't know... to me it doesn't seem like such a deeply personal moment between them. There are parts where it could be, but Lindsey is very much caught up with his guitar and Stevie is being Stevie.


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[Bubba Fleetwood]

Sara was before Robin's death...Yeah, now that you mention it, I see I was wrong there. But, as you see....... I voiced an opinion......and was dead wrong.....which...... proves the point I was making.....in the first place. :confused:

[michelej1]

See? That's exactly why I do believe the story is true.

I'm not questioning why Stevie would have said that. I'm not even questioning she had abortions. Maybe she had ten of them. Indeed, I think it's more likely she would have said she had abortions than she would have said, ' you name 'em I've slept with 'em!' I dont' think she would have made that boast even in a drug induced stupor. And that's not to say I don't think she slept around. I don't think she would have described it like that, is all.

At any rate, it makes more sense to say you believe she revealed abortions because she was at a low point in her life than to say it is true because Vox printed it and Stevie didn't deny it. Vox wasn't Rolling Stone and before the internet became as widespread as it is, it's not like what was printed there circulated like wild fire. It's not like this was something the world was talking about 18 years ago.

Michele

[sodascouts]

Btw, I have heard for many years that, "The Long Run" is absolutely about Stevie and the lines, "did you do it for love/did you do it for money/did you do it for spite/did you think you had to honey." is about the subject.
LOL! Yeah, and "Witchy Woman" is absolutely about Stevie too. Henley wrote it in 1971 after she served him biscuits and gravy at Bob's Big Boy. Since she was too poor at the time to touch up her roots, Henley was able to see that she was naturally "raven-haired" and fantasized about her "rocking him in the nighttime" as he chowed down. His consequent bout with food poisoning induced the delirium which inspired the rest of the lyrics.

[CADreaming]

I don't know... to me it doesn't seem like such a deeply personal moment between them. There are parts where it could be, but Lindsey is very much caught up with his guitar and Stevie is being Stevie.

Obviously they didn't include the entire footage in the film. Since Matt was there, I think he has a better perspective than we do....

[CADreaming]

Yeah, now that you mention it, I see I was wrong there. But, as you see....... I voiced an opinion......and was dead wrong.....which...... proves the point I was making.....in the first place. :confused:

Well, it sure does! :nod:

[PenguinHead]

I think the whole lot of discussions, assumptions, judgements, assertions etc.. about Stevie's abortions should be aborted. Stevie is a not moral compass, she's just a singer/artist. I'm generally only interested about her on that level - a professional/creative level.

Her work is certainly subject to scrutiny, but her personal life (and the choices she makes), like everyone elses, is her business, not ours. I don't subscribe to the overwrought hyper-tabloid dissection of people's personal lives which has become standard practice both in the media and social networks.

[GoldDustOrphan]

I think the whole lot of discussions, assumptions, judgements, assertions etc.. about Stevie's abortions should be aborted. Stevie is a not moral compass, she's just a singer/artist. I'm generally only interested about her on that level - a professional/creative level.

Her work is certainly subject to scrutiny, but her personal life (and the choices she makes), like everyone elses, is her business, not ours. I don't subscribe to the overwrought hyper-tabloid dissection of people's personal lives which has become standard practice both in the media and social networks.
__________________

I agree 100%.

I usually have no filter on my mouth, but this particular issue is such a private one that discussing it (or simply reading the posts) might not be so cool. The only thing more distasteful is Stevie's unholy affirmation of Taylor Swift's alleged talent, which is why I fear Stevie may have been replaced by a robot double.

[APerfectLie]

Obviously they didn't include the entire footage in the film. Since Matt was there, I think he has a better perspective than we do....

Of course they didn't, but he said it was one of the moments which made it into the film and what made it into the film doesn't scream deeply personal to me. I've always thought Goodbye Baby was about abortion, but I don't think we should jump to the conclusion that it must have been one between her and Lindsey because this guy says the moment was "deeply personal" because of the "subject matter". I highly doubt Stevie was like, "Oh lets do this song about mine and Lindsey's aborted baby!" For all we know, he may think this song is a song Stevie wrote about leaving Lindsey and how she felt wrong about it all these years. Now if Matt said oh this was about their baby Stevie aborted, then I would think there was some merit to that, but we are not only reading things into Stevie's song and believing it was about her abortion but then also reading things into Matt's words and assuming now that this song was not only about an abortion, but also one she had because of Lindsey's child. Like I said earlier, Stevie has admitted to having at least one abortion and I honestly wouldn't judge her if she had ten, but I think sometimes we speculate too much, which is fine, but I just want to provide a different perspective.

[michelej1]

Of course they didn't, but he said it was one of the moments which made it into the film and what made it into the film doesn't scream deeply personal to me. I've always thought Goodbye Baby was about abortion, but I don't think we should jump to the conclusion that it must have been one between her and Lindsey because this guy says the moment was "deeply personal" because of the "subject matter". I highly doubt Stevie was like, "Oh lets do this song about mine and Lindsey's aborted baby!" For all we know, he may think this song is a song Stevie wrote about leaving Lindsey and how she felt wrong about it all these years.

I agree with you. He probably does think that, especially when you pair the song with Say Goodbye, which Lindsey makes clear was written after he left the band. He probably thought the song was about them parting and nothing more.

But then let me take the other side for a moment. Even though Matt didn't know the true meaning of the song, if Stevie and Lindsey did, they still could have been sharing a tender abortion moment, only Matt didn't know:laugh:. Of course, Lindsey probably doesn't know what the heck the song is about either, so he could have been looking at Stevie and thinking, "Oh, this is about when we broke up" and she could have been looking back at him very tearful and emotionally thinking, "Dude, you are really losing your hair fast, all of a sudden."

Michele

[PenguinHead]

I agree 100%.

I usually have no filter on my mouth, but this particular issue is such a private one that discussing it (or simply reading the posts) might not be so cool. The only thing more distasteful is Stevie's unholy affirmation of Taylor Swift's alleged talent, which is why I fear Stevie may have been replaced by a robot double.

:] that's funny!

[Tango]

Just thought I'd link this thread to the current one--it was not quite two years ago we had the last go round.


http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=38126

[CADreaming]

Of course they didn't, but he said it was one of the moments which made it into the film and what made it into the film doesn't scream deeply personal to me. I've always thought Goodbye Baby was about abortion, but I don't think we should jump to the conclusion that it must have been one between her and Lindsey because this guy says the moment was "deeply personal" because of the "subject matter". I highly doubt Stevie was like, "Oh lets do this song about mine and Lindsey's aborted baby!" For all we know, he may think this song is a song Stevie wrote about leaving Lindsey and how she felt wrong about it all these years. Now if Matt said oh this was about their baby Stevie aborted, then I would think there was some merit to that, but we are not only reading things into Stevie's song and believing it was about her abortion but then also reading things into Matt's words and assuming now that this song was not only about an abortion, but also one she had because of Lindsey's child. Like I said earlier, Stevie has admitted to having at least one abortion and I honestly wouldn't judge her if she had ten, but I think sometimes we speculate too much, which is fine, but I just want to provide a different perspective.

I see your point and it's valid. But, I have a different perspective anyway. You're also making an assumption that Stevie aborted if she did indeed have a pregnancy via Buckingham, she could have miscarried. The odds are pretty great that she had at least one pregnancy with LB anyway - they lived together for what - 5 or 6 years at least. He still remains (to our knowledge) the longest relationship she's ever had. And, he must be pretty virile - he's sired thrice in his late '50's...

Why is more believable that Rupert Hine (or anyone else besides Henley) would have been one of her baby daddy's?? That is so laughable to me!

I agree with you. He probably does think that, especially when you pair the song with Say Goodbye, which Lindsey makes clear was written after he left the band. He probably thought the song was about them parting and nothing more.

But then let me take the other side for a moment. Even though Matt didn't know the true meaning of the song, if Stevie and Lindsey did, they still could have been sharing a tender abortion moment, only Matt didn't know:laugh:. Of course, Lindsey probably doesn't know what the heck the song is about either, so he could have been looking at Stevie and thinking, "Oh, this is about when we broke up" and she could have been looking back at him very tearful and emotionally thinking, "Dude, you are really losing your hair fast, all of a sudden."

Michele

Just to play devil's advocate on this - we don't know that Matt doesn't know the truth...

LOL about the hair!!

[michelej1]

This shared moment talk got me thinking desultorily of Lindsey finishing Goodbye Baby for Stevie in Reno. He got the words a bit mussed. I think he thinks the song is about shimmering glass shattering and that's about it.

I wonder why he didn't read the teleprompter with the lyrics on it that Cory operates for Stevie. I wonder if he can see far enough to read it, when he's on stage. I assume he's got his contacts in.

Michele

[AliceLover]

This shared moment talk got me thinking desultorily of Lindsey finishing Goodbye Baby for Stevie in Reno. He got the words a bit mussed. I think he thinks the song is about shimmering glass shattering and that's about it.

I wonder why he didn't read the teleprompter with the lyrics on it that Cory operates for Stevie. I wonder if he can see far enough to read it, when he's on stage. I assume he's got his contacts in.

Michele

I think the monitors are slightly tilted inward toward Stevie. I think it would be a stretch for him to be able to see them. Plus, he would look slightly awkward in his position looking to that part of the stage.

PS...this is a stretch and really of no obvious importance. But Stevie did start wearing pink onstage for the first time (to the best of my knowledge) in a while on the live performances of "goodbye baby." Just associating pink with the sex of an aborted child?

[Lori40]

I think that Lindsey sings about Stevie aborting their child in "Flying Down Juniper" ( If we forgive ourselves we might be whole, But you know that wishing won't make it so) and "To Try for the Sun"(And who will be the one, To say it was no good what we done...). Yes, I know that Donovan wrote TTFTS, but Lindsey has obviously made the song his own by changing some of the lyrics.

[Silver Springs]

I think that Lindsey sings about Stevie aborting their child in "Flying Down Juniper" ( If we forgive ourselves we might be whole, But you know that wishing won't make it so) and "To Try for the Sun"(And who will be the one, To say it was no good what we done...). Yes, I know that Donovan wrote TTFTS, but Lindsey has obviously made the song his own by changing some of the lyrics.

:s I didn't know that Stevie aborted one of Lindsey's children too :s Guess you learn something new every day.