Do I detect a hidden message in The Chain? [Archive]

MissLadyLoki

07-15-2010, 07:37 PM

Erin

07-15-2010, 09:39 PM

I don't remember what the reason was, but it's Lindsey swearing.

APerfectLie

07-15-2010, 10:33 PM

I don't remember what the reason was, but it's Lindsey swearing.

It was part of his genius. Up there with the microphones on the bathroom floor and the breaking of the glass in the rain.

gypsy4life

07-15-2010, 10:44 PM

It was part of his genius. Up there with the microphones on the bathroom floor and the breaking of the glass in the rain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnUnC1HgJkk&feature=related

This cracks me up! His "agressive sounding vocal"!

iamnotafraid

07-16-2010, 05:29 AM

I'm not sure about a message in The Chain.
But if you play Rumours backwards everyone
gets back together and is very happy.

Musicman408

07-16-2010, 05:52 AM

Yeah, I don't know about a hidden message, but the f bomb is definitely there!

TrueFaith77

07-16-2010, 06:05 AM

Stevie is the most adorable person to ever walk the planet earth.

MissLadyLoki

07-16-2010, 06:44 AM

Yeah, I don't know about a hidden message, but the f bomb is definitely there!

That's what I meant, the f-bomb being dropped. I didn't quite mean it as a "hidden message" like "Turn me on dead man" from the White Album, I just meant it seemed hidden cause you never quite think about it.

So, it was Lindsey swearing. I thought the voice sounded a bit deep and that it was a techie (hell, one was responsible for the random knocking door in Beat It cause he didn't realize they were recording), but then again, I could see him doing it.

Thanks guys! :thumbsup:

CADreaming

07-16-2010, 07:01 AM

That's what I meant, the f-bomb being dropped. I didn't quite mean it as a "hidden message" like "Turn me on dead man" from the White Album, I just meant it seemed hidden cause you never quite think about it.

So, it was Lindsey swearing. I thought the voice sounded a bit deep and that it was a techie (hell, one was responsible for the random knocking door in Beat It cause he didn't realize they were recording), but then again, I could see him doing it.

Thanks guys! :thumbsup:

Recording snafu. Ha. Stevie's dropped it several times during demos. My fav is the LAL demo when she's trying to chord the guitar.

MissLadyLoki

07-16-2010, 07:22 AM

Recording snafu. Ha. Stevie's dropped it several times during demos. My fav is the LAL demo when she's trying to chord the guitar.

I don't mean to be a dumbass, but what's LAL? And can you show the demo to me?

ButterCookie

07-16-2010, 08:06 AM

MissLadyLoki

07-16-2010, 08:20 AM

Tell me more! :eek:

OK, I'm assuming you know the story of the "Paul is dead" hoax, but this was one bit of it. If you have the White Album on vinyl, go to Revolution 9, and during the part when the guy is saying "Number 9, number 9, number 9..." in the beginning, hand-turn the record backwards and you'll hear it.

Another hidden message I know of (but never heard) on the Motley Crue song Shout at the Devil, where Tommy Lee and Nikki Sixx try and chant "Jesus is Satan" as an underdub. Has anyone evr heard that one?

chriskisn

07-16-2010, 08:24 AM

Talking about hidden messages, you can have a lot of fun listening to Stevie's songs backwards. :nod:

ButterCookie

07-16-2010, 08:27 AM

OK, I'm assuming you know the story of the "Paul is dead" hoax, but this was one bit of it. If you have the White Album on vinyl, go to Revolution 9, and during the part when the guy is saying "Number 9, number 9, number 9..." in the beginning, hand-turn the record backwards and you'll hear it.

Another hidden message I know of (but never heard) on the Motley Crue song Shout at the Devil, where Tommy Lee and Nikki Sixx try and chant "Jesus is Satan" as an underdub. Has anyone evr heard that one?

Ah man, my record player won't do that :( It's all automatic

MissLadyLoki

07-16-2010, 08:43 AM

Ah man, my record player won't do that :( It's all automatic

Ah snap. I know mineis a old school-style Crosley i got frm Target that I somehow managed to do it with, but can your turntable play at 45 and 78 RPM?

ButterCookie

07-16-2010, 09:05 AM

Ah snap. I know mineis a old school-style Crosley i got frm Target that I somehow managed to do it with, but can your turntable play at 45 and 78 RPM?

Mine's an 80's JVC ghetto blaster :lol: It does 45 and 33 1/2 and that's it. It's fully automated too, so even if I didn't press start, as soon as I lifted the arm to put it on the record to manually turn it backwards, it would start turning forwards and there'd be nothing I could do to stop it :(

CADreaming

07-16-2010, 09:08 AM

I don't mean to be a dumbass, but what's LAL? And can you show the demo to me?

Leather and Lace. Sorry can't post demo til tonight.

MissLadyLoki

07-16-2010, 09:27 AM

Mine's an 80's JVC ghetto blaster :lol: It does 45 and 33 1/2 and that's it. It's fully automated too, so even if I didn't press start, as soon as I lifted the arm to put it on the record to manually turn it backwards, it would start turning forwards and there'd be nothing I could do to stop it :(

OK, maybe try playing The Chain or Dreams at 45 RPM. There's nothing there, jut a good laugh at their chipmunk voices. :lol:

Leather and Lace. Sorry can't post demo til tonight.

OK thanks.

David

07-16-2010, 09:38 AM

I bet you guys have already heard this one before, but I heard once (both in writing and for myself) that, at the beginning of The Chain, you can hear a thud and someone whispering "F**k" right before the song begins. Now since this is true, I have a few lingering question. What had happened? Who was the person responsible for dropping the F-bomb?
Things get recorded during a session that are usually edited out. Somebody decided to keep this one, apparently, on the master tapes. But you couldn't hear it until Rumours was remastered.

There's another spot on the album where something that wasn't meant to be part of the track was kept for aesthetic reasons: Christine's musical signal to the control room on "Oh Daddy." She briefly staccatos her Fender Rhodes at the end, effectively telling the engineers "OK, we're done." But the band liked the effect of it, so they kept it on the track.

Rolling Stone noted a similar thing in its Mirage review: Lindsey yells YEAH or something during "Empire State."

MissLadyLoki

07-16-2010, 01:57 PM

Things get recorded during a session that are usually edited out. Somebody decided to keep this one, apparently, on the master tapes. But you couldn't hear it until Rumours was remastered.

There's another spot on the album where something that wasn't meant to be part of the track was kept for aesthetic reasons: Christine's musical signal to the control room on "Oh Daddy." She briefly staccatos her Fender Rhodes at the end, effectively telling the engineers "OK, we're done." But the band liked the effect of it, so they kept it on the track.

Rolling Stone noted a similar thing in its Mirage review: Lindsey yells YEAH or something during "Empire State."

I took from my dad a vinyl copy of Rumours he purchased in 1977, and even though it's grainy and I did it with the volume at max and my ear to the speaker, I certainly heard it. The CD helped me verify it.

As for other FM snafus, I recall hearing Bucky say "Yah" or something during part of Monday Morning.

MikeVielhaber

07-16-2010, 03:01 PM

Ah man, my record player won't do that :( It's all automatic

Well it's not something that was intentional. I mean the guy is saying Number 9. There's no hidden message in that. People used to play stuff backwards looking for clues and they probably thought "Hey that sounds like...." and so now if that's what you're trying to hear then you can make yourself hear it, but it's not like someone's speaking it clearly or anything. It's a mumble. Anything that's there is a coincidence and is not a "message". I'm sure you can look it up on youtube and find clips of it played backwards.

ButterCookie

07-16-2010, 03:04 PM

I'll put it in audacity and play it backwards when I can be bothered.

I know that Deborah Harry's track Jen Jen has her speaking when played backwards intentionally.

goldustsongbird

07-16-2010, 04:19 PM

Were the car horns in Sugar Daddy intentional? I also remember someone saying that there was a phone ringing at the end of Honey Hi, but I haven't heard it.

ButterCookie

07-16-2010, 04:32 PM

I'm sure I heard Christine laugh at the end of Sugar Daddy, too. I heard it on the cassette tape and remember my heart almost exploding.

goldustsongbird

07-16-2010, 04:37 PM

She does laugh! ... Probably at your dorky heart exploding. ;)

ButterCookie

07-16-2010, 04:43 PM

Ha! Probably :o

SortaSavageLike

07-16-2010, 05:11 PM

Talking about hidden messages, you can have a lot of fun listening to Stevie's songs backwards. :nod:

"Just like the white winged dove" backwards sounds like "you are a Nazi!"

MissLadyLoki

07-16-2010, 07:30 PM

Were the car horns in Sugar Daddy intentional? I also remember someone saying that there was a phone ringing at the end of Honey Hi, but I haven't heard it.

I think I'm getting too deep, but I thought I heard someone snorting something (I wonder what it was lol) at the beginning of Tusk, right after somebody says "How'd you get it, Johnny?" I think I might have heard a barking dog somewhere, but I might be mixing songs up.

Going OT, but another snafu you hear in a lot of Led Zeppelin tunes is the sound of Bonzo's bass drum pedal squeaking throughout. And I dunno how to describe it, but, even though I dislike the Doors greatly (I do have a few tunes of theirs I like though0, I think someone says "It's comin' atcha" right before the music starts on Hello I Love You.

chriskisn

07-16-2010, 07:33 PM

"Just like the white winged dove" backwards sounds like "you are a Nazi!"

Plus if you listen to Go Your Own Way backwards Lindsey says somewhere "I Faked It" and on Rhiannon Stevie says something about "but somehow had to leave/live".

Probably just the mind and ears playing tricks but interesting nonetheless... :)

I'd forgotton the Nazi one...

I can't remember the one I found of Stevie's that when played backwards she says something about (and I'm trying to recall this from 10-12 years ago when we were discussing this on the old newsgroup) "we do Skippy, you can go right now". Which of course makes absolutely no sense.

MissLadyLoki

07-16-2010, 07:39 PM

Plus if you listen to Go Your Own Way backwards Lindsey says somewhere "I Faked It" and on Rhiannon Stevie says something about "but somehow had to leave/live".
Probably just the mind and ears playing tricks but interesting nonetheless... :)

I'd forgotton the Nazi one...

I can't remember the one I found of Stevie's that when played backwards she says something about (and I'm trying to recall this from 10-12 years ago when we were discussing this on the old newsgroup) "we do Skippy, you can go right now". Which of course makes absolutely no sense.

I have Rumours on vinyl, so now I gotta try that one, but I have a slight roadblock with the Rhianon one: I don't own the White Album on vinyl, and my parents aren't exactly keen on me going to record shops and buying used records.

Aren'tthere some backmasked messages about going out and buying album?

holidayroad

07-16-2010, 08:03 PM

I have Rumours on vinyl, so now I gotta try that one, but I have a slight roadblock with the Rhianon one: I don't own the White Album on vinyl, and my parents aren't exactly keen on me going to record shops and buying used records.

Aren'tthere some backmasked messages about going out and buying album?

Try 'Never Going Back Again' backwards. I once had a cassette that I had recorded some songs on and it got twisted and played backwards. I'm unsure what part of the song it is. To me it sounds like LB says 'Sorry but I hate you Stevie. May be the reason why it aint working'.

goldustsongbird

07-17-2010, 02:29 PM

Ha! Probably :o

Correction: Our dorkiness. :xoxo:

I think I'm getting too deep, but I thought I heard someone snorting something (I wonder what it was lol) at the beginning of Tusk, right after somebody says "How'd you get it, Johnny?" I think I might have heard a barking dog somewhere, but I might be mixing songs up.

Maybe Johnny M got a cold at sea? ;)

MissLadyLoki

07-18-2010, 07:44 AM

Try 'Never Going Back Again' backwards. I once had a cassette that I had recorded some songs on and it got twisted and played backwards. I'm unsure what part of the song it is. To me it sounds like LB says 'Sorry but I hate you Stevie. May be the reason why it aint working'.

OK, NOW I gotta find that one.

Correction: Our dorkiness. :xoxo:

Maybe Johnny M got a cold at sea? ;)

Or maybe Johnny was snifing something that we all know too well...;)

Zombie

07-18-2010, 06:55 PM

There is also a weirdie noise at the beginning of "Isn't It Midnight" on my 4CD Chain box set. I can't tell who it is, but it's someone making a dorky "Nnnnnyahhh!" sound.

ButterCookie

07-18-2010, 07:02 PM

There is also a weirdie noise at the beginning of "Isn't It Midnight" on my 4CD Chain box set. I can't tell who it is, but it's someone making a dorky "Nnnnnyahhh!" sound.

Stevie...

ten

Zombie

07-18-2010, 07:24 PM

Stevie...

ten

Is it? It sounds vaguely male, but I suppose you never know with Stevie... ;)

ButterCookie

07-18-2010, 07:42 PM

Is it? It sounds vaguely male, but I suppose you never know with Stevie... ;)

I don't actually know :lol: It wouldn't surprise me though

PenguinHead

07-18-2010, 09:37 PM

Were the car horns in Sugar Daddy intentional? I also remember someone saying that there was a phone ringing at the end of Honey Hi, but I haven't heard it.

It's reasonable to think the car horn in Sugar Daddy is intentional, given that it appears right after Christine sings "You can pick me up in a big fancy car." I aways thought that was a nice quirky touch.

Neb-Maat-Re

07-21-2010, 05:30 PM

hand-turn the record backwards and you'll hear it.

For the love of God, your vinyl AND your stylus: Do it with software!

LikeAWillow

07-21-2010, 06:00 PM

For the love of God, your vinyl AND your stylus: Do it with software!

What software do you use?

PenguinHead

07-21-2010, 06:16 PM

MissLadyLoki

07-21-2010, 07:01 PM

How does a little quirk left in the mix equate with a hidden message?

It was stupidly worded, but it's hidden in that it's something you don't quite pay attention, and wasn't quite audible when the album first came out.