Does anyone else wish it wasn't "Oh Daddy"

[Hawkeye]

Oh Daddy is in my top 2 or 3 Chris songs of all time. Its just so perfect in so many ways. Chris's haunting vocal, the awsome instrumentation (especially Johns bass) And for the most part, they are awseome lyrics. My only complain is the phrase Oh Daddy. Oh Baby maybe could've worked. I know its about Mick and how he was the only one in the group with kids, but the phrase still annoys me but in the end doesn't effect my love of the song.

Anyone else agree.

[vivfox]

I love the title Oh Daddy. Fleetwood Mac have plenty of songs with the word baby in it. Daddy suits me fine.

[louielouie2000]

I used to think there was something gross about the usage of "Oh Daddy"... I mean, c'mon... it just screams incestual rape! :laugh: But I adore the song so much, that I could never think of it being named anything else.

[APerfectLie]

Actually, the whole "Oh daddy" phrase is what keeps me from enjoying the song. It's just, bleh!

[mylittledemon]

great vocals, great bass line... great song. :shrug:

[fringed n fab]

great vocals, great bass line... great song. :shrug:
Yes, I love this song. I remember Christine singing it on The Dance tour and it is extra special because of that last tour. And I love how Stevie and Lindsey come in and sing their parts, both on the record and live. The song makes me happy and it makes me sad at the same time whether it's studio or live. :) :(

[LukeA]

Until someone unearths a performance of the song by the New Mamas & Papas circa early 80's, I think everyone should just get over themselves :wavey:

[louielouie2000]

Yes, I love this song. I remember Christine singing it on The Dance tour and it is extra special because of that last tour. And I love how Stevie and Lindsey come in and sing their parts, both on the record and live. The song makes me happy and it makes me sad at the same time whether it's studio or live. :) :(

I'm still upset the band canceled their Raleigh performance on the Dance tour :distress:. I would have LOVED to hear this one live... it's one of my all time fav Mac songs. But thanks to technology, I've been able to hear recordings of Oh Daddy from that tour regardless! :D

[SortaSavageLike]

I used to think there was something gross about the usage of "Oh Daddy"... I mean, c'mon... it just screams incestual rape!

Oh Daddy, Don't Stop!

[bluefox4000]

I don't care about the title. I've always dug the vibe of it. Love it.

Mick

[Almost Simon]

I used to think there was something gross about the usage of "Oh Daddy"... I mean, c'mon... it just screams incestual rape! :laugh: But I adore the song so much, that I could never think of it being named anything else.

Only if you look at the song in a sexual sense, which to me seems strange.

We all know it isn't, we know its meaning, its about Mick, so why the problem? :shrug:

I myself am a father and rather like the song and title.

[skuncles]

This is one of those songs that grew on me over the years. I too am not crazy over the "daddy" part, but I like the song anyhow. The only complaint I have about it is how it was used during "The Dance" tour. The song was done right after "Stand Back". BAD set placement. Stevie just gets done ripping the roof off the place and then Christine brings the mood WAY down. The excitement in the venue was huge after "Stand Back" and then Christine comes on and does a great performance but it was too stark of a transistion.

[DefDumbandBlond]

It doesn't bother me, it makes the song. :)

[AnthonyMI]

Until someone unearths a performance of the song by the New Mamas & Papas circa early 80's, I think everyone should just get over themselves :wavey:

Hahahahaha. Am I the only one that "gets" this? I can not listen to anything that John Phillips had a part in writing EVER again.

[michelej1]

Only if you look at the song in a sexual sense, which to me seems strange.

We all know it isn't, we know its meaning, its about Mick, so why the problem? :shrug:

I myself am a father and rather like the song and title.


I know what Christine has said about the song and I think there's a nod to Mick in it, but I also think it's a song to a lover. In fact, to me, the paternal slant is much less obvious than the one that can be perceived in Landslide.

Michele

[louielouie2000]

Hahahahaha. Am I the only one that "gets" this? I can not listen to anything that John Phillips had a part in writing EVER again.

Ugh... and just when I'd scrubbed what Mackenzie Phillips said about her relationship with her Father outta my mind! :eek:

[DefDumbandBlond]

:shocked::shocked::eek::eek: That was outrageous.

[StreetAngel95]

Absolutely not, before i knew what the song was about, it was my father and I's song. We'd sing it in the car together - brings me to tears!

[louielouie2000]

I know what Christine has said about the song and I think there's a nod to Mick in it, but I also think it's a song to a lover. In fact, to me, the paternal slant is much less obvious than the one that can be perceived in Landslide.

Michele

I've always thought this, too. It clearly sounds like an apologetic song to me... like Christine has messed up with a lover. What could she have ever done to apologize to Mick Fleetwood for? She was undoubtedly his most reliable rock within the band. She provided the radio hits. She was the glue the kept the band together. There's more to the back story of Oh Daddy than we know. :nod:

[jbrownsjr]

I know what Christine has said about the song and I think there's a nod to Mick in it, but I also think it's a song to a lover. In fact, to me, the paternal slant is much less obvious than the one that can be perceived in Landslide.

Michele

agreed... she has said it has more than one meaning..

[goldustsongbird]

It's awkward to sing along to, I know that much...

[LittleCharmer]

It's awkward to sing along to, I know that much...

I agree, but it's so pretty it's hard not to!

[HomerMcvie]

I know its about Mick and how he was the only one in the group with kids, but the phrase still annoys me but in the end doesn't effect my love of the song.

See, I think the above is BS. It was NEVER mentioned(afaik) that this song was about Mick, until YEARS AND YEARS later, when MICK came up with this so called "truth". I call BS on Mick! :mad: :lol:

[PenguinHead]

Oh Daddy is in my top 2 or 3 Chris songs of all time. Its just so perfect in so many ways. Chris's haunting vocal, the awsome instrumentation (especially Johns bass) And for the most part, they are awseome lyrics. My only complain is the phrase Oh Daddy. Oh Baby maybe could've worked. I know its about Mick and how he was the only one in the group with kids, but the phrase still annoys me but in the end doesn't effect my love of the song.

Anyone else agree.

No, I don't agree.

[PenguinHead]

Hahahahaha. Am I the only one that "gets" this? I can not listen to anything that John Phillips had a part in writing EVER again.

You surely not the only one. I'm a huge Mamas & Papas fan. I've been able to reconcile Mackenzie's revelations. For me it's all about music and not about screwed up relationships.

[Meowi]

I think the title suits the overall feeling of the song,
I mean if you think it about as that Chrisitine is a little girl, but Mick is some guiding giant - who want's the best for his maclings :cool:

[gypsy4life]

I have a demo (I think) of this song. I got it from someone here on The Ledge. Anyway, it is my favorite version of the song. It's different than the actual studio version because the harmonies are so much more prominent. I wish I could remember more info.....I'll try to find it!


****I looked it up, and the "CD" is labeled "Staying True", anyway, this is the best version of the song I've heard!!****[/B][/B]

[jaycee]

Oh Daddy, Don't Stop!

"Oh Daddy"! "Don't Stop"! "You Make Loving Fun"!

[ButterCookie]

"Oh Daddy"! "Don't Stop"! "You Make Loving Fun"!

You are sick, my dear :lol: :] :xoxo:

I have a demo (I think) of this song. I got it from someone here on The Ledge. Anyway, it is my favorite version of the song. It's different than the actual studio version because the harmonies are so much more prominent. I wish I could remember more info.....I'll try to find it!


****I looked it up, and the "CD" is labeled "Staying True", anyway, this is the best version of the song I've heard!!****[/B][/B]

Would you be able to post this? I don't think I have it :)

[UndoingTheLaces]

Actually, the term "Daddy" was often used by women in the 60's and 70's to refer to their partners. I think it was more along the lines of how they say a man always marries his mother, in other words, he looks for the traits of his mother in the women he's later attracted to. So I guess it would work for women who had been "Daddy's little girl" to grow up and look for the attributes of her father in the men they would be with.

In the gay scene there are often couples in which a younger guy dates an older guy and calls him "Daddy", not in an incestuous way but just in the way that the older man is a father figure to him.

Speaking of Christine's use of the word Daddy, she also uses it in Honey Hi where she sings "Daddy, all I'm trying to tell you".

[Meowi]

Actually, the term "Daddy" was often used by women in the 60's and 70's to refer to their partners. I think it was more along the lines of how they say a man always marries his mother, in other words, he looks for the traits of his mother in the women he's later attracted to. So I guess it would work for women who had been "Daddy's little girl" to grow up and look for the attributes of her father in the men they would be with.

In the gay scene there are often couples in which a younger guy dates an older guy and calls him "Daddy", not in an incestuous way but just in the way that the older man is a father figure to him.

Speaking of Christine's use of the word Daddy, she also uses it in Honey Hi where she sings "Daddy, all I'm trying to tell you".

Daddy'O :cool:

[aleuzzi]

In a culture where Sylvia Plath can write a poem called "Daddy" about everyfather, everylover, everyman, Christine's gorgeous song is an amazing contribution to the archetypal "daddy" which is not, in this song, a literal father but a father figure: the girl seeking a father through her lover. Is it complex? Yes. Is it abnormal? No. This is one of Christine's most poignant, poetic songs. Saying it is about incestral rape is reducing the lyrics to a most brutal literalism. As the great writer Barry Lopez once said: "one's inability to read metaphor signals the death of the soul."

If I sound highfalutin' here, it's because this song moves me in ways so few songs do.

[louielouie2000]

Saying it is about incestral rape is reducing the lyrics to a most brutal literalism. As the great writer Barry Lopez once said: "one's inability to read metaphor signals the death of the soul."


I was teasing by the way... :wavey:. I have a twisted sense of humor that probably escapes most people. And when I think something I see is silly, I respond with equal absurdity ;).

For those who take what I say too literally instead of snickering at the metaphor: I adore this song... it's one of her deepest lyrical Mac contributions in my book. And one of her most beautiful songs to boot.

[SorcererJP]

Yes, I love this song. I remember Christine singing it on The Dance tour and it is extra special because of that last tour. And I love how Stevie and Lindsey come in and sing their parts, both on the record and live. The song makes me happy and it makes me sad at the same time whether it's studio or live. :) :(

Since The Dance wasn't brought to Europe, I didn't had the chance to heart it live. Does anyone has a recording? Would love to hear it.

On topic: I know the song is for/about Mick, with that knowledge (and since English is not my native tongue) I do not have any problems with the song or the lyrics...

Simply love it!

[HomerMcvie]

On topic: I know the song is for/about Mick,


HOW do you know the song is about Mick??????

Because HE declared that, YEARS and YEARS AFTER it was recorded?

Mick's a self admitted drama queen, and none of the Rumours songs were about him, so he claimed OD as his. Only he wasn't the writer, to be able to make that claim!

[michelej1]

Actually, the term "Daddy" was often used by women in the 60's and 70's to refer to their partners. I think it was more along the lines of how they say a man always marries his mother, in other words, he looks for the traits of his mother in the women he's later attracted to. So I guess it would work for women who had been "Daddy's little girl" to grow up and look for the attributes of her father in the men they would be with.

In the gay scene there are often couples in which a younger guy dates an older guy and calls him "Daddy", not in an incestuous way but just in the way that the older man is a father figure to him.

Speaking of Christine's use of the word Daddy, she also uses it in Honey Hi where she sings "Daddy, all I'm trying to tell you".

And there's also her famous Sugar Daddy.

Even when there's not a vast difference in age or authority between the partners, they sometimes refer to each other as "mommy" or "daddy." It often happens when they have children and when the toddler is learning to talk, to help them with words you might say, "give Daddy the spoon." Next thing you know, it's 20 years later and you're still calling your hubby, "Daddy!"

Ronald Reagan used to call Nancy, "mommy."

I don't think there's anything unusual it at all. It's common, but I also think it's creepy.

Michele

[vivfox]

I'd heard Stevie refer to Lindsey as her "old man" back in the 1970's in some article or another. I would never refer to my man that way but I would not have a problem with the word "daddy."

[Hawkeye]

I have a demo (I think) of this song. I got it from someone here on The Ledge. Anyway, it is my favorite version of the song. It's different than the actual studio version because the harmonies are so much more prominent. I wish I could remember more info.....I'll try to find it!


****I looked it up, and the "CD" is labeled "Staying True", anyway, this is the best version of the song I've heard!!****[/B][/B]

I think thats the version on Disc 2 of the Rumours Reissue.

[jcalzaretta]

I have always loved this song. I was thrilled when they played it live for the Dance. Second favorite Christine song with Fleetwood Mac -after, of course, Over My Head.

[nicepace]

I am absolutely certain there is no incestuous meaning in the song, and I'm mostly certain that it has nothing to do with Mick Fleetwood. Does anyone have the quote where Mick claimed it was about him?

Christine's musical origins were in the blues, and the term "daddy" is routinely used by women blues singers to their lovers. Bessie Smith, a great blues singer of the '20s, had a song called "Oh Daddy." You can look it up.

I believe that Christine uses the term "daddy" in this song in the way the old time blues singers did, and the same way a male singer might say "mama" to mean a lover. There's nothing creepy about it whatsoever. In fact, the term gives the song an old-time, authentic, adult emotional feel.

[SpyNote]

And don't forget, she loves her "Sugar Daddy," too.

[HomerMcvie]

I am absolutely certain there is no incestuous meaning in the song, and I'm mostly certain that it has nothing to do with Mick Fleetwood. Does anyone have the quote where Mick claimed it was about him?
Although I think I may also have seen it elsewhere, I definitely remember it from the Making of Rumours DVD.

[michelej1]

I believe that Christine uses the term "daddy" in this song in the way the old time blues singers did, and the same way a male singer might say "mama" to mean a lover. There's nothing creepy about it whatsoever. In fact, the term gives the song an old-time, authentic, adult emotional feel.

I don't think the fact that there's a long tradition of women calling their lovers "daddy" means its any less creepy -- or incestuous for that matter. In fact, the historical use of the term is why I don't like it. Many times the use of "daddy" denotes a relationship where the man is in an authoritative, powerful position which he misuses to emotionally and sometimes physically abuse the woman. This was the theme of many of those old time blues songs. He's "daddy" because he takes care of the woman when he's in a good mood and punishes her when he's in a bad one. While the feelings that he has for her are not paternal, the control he wields is. The woman who sings about her "daddy" often does so to the tune of lyrics that place her in the weaker, dependent position. The childlike dependence she had on her father (or that she longed to have on an absent father) is transferred to her lover in a way that may be healthy, but is sure doesn't sound like it is in the songs.

Of course, the endearment is all right for Christine, who led a life which far removes her from such stereotypes, but I don't like the connotations.

Of course, "daddy" is great in certain contexts. I very much enjoy beat me daddy eight to the bar. Still, even there, I hear a plea for corporal punishment that could be viewed as pervy.

Michele

[LukeA]

I very much enjoy beat me daddy eight to the bar

Ditto.

(Can I hear a what what for the Andrews Sisters? :thumbsup:)

[ButterCookie]

And don't forget, she loves her "Sugar Daddy," too.

Jeepers, what is this? Pick on Christine's lyrics week?

[jaycee]

You are sick, my dear :lol: :] :xoxo:

Why that's the most accurate descriptor of myself that I've heard from someone in a long time! :] You're right on the money there! :xoxo:

[jaycee]

I am absolutely certain there is no incestuous meaning in the song, and I'm mostly certain that it has nothing to do with Mick Fleetwood. Does anyone have the quote where Mick claimed it was about him?

Christine's musical origins were in the blues, and the term "daddy" is routinely used by women blues singers to their lovers. Bessie Smith, a great blues singer of the '20s, had a song called "Oh Daddy." You can look it up.

I believe that Christine uses the term "daddy" in this song in the way the old time blues singers did, and the same way a male singer might say "mama" to mean a lover. There's nothing creepy about it whatsoever. In fact, the term gives the song an old-time, authentic, adult emotional feel.

It's funny - I thought this was common knowledge! :laugh:
I also think of Jim Morrison's use of the word in "Love Her Madly" - "Don't you love her madly? Wanna be her daddy?"
That said, it does make the song feel dated in a way that I feel mildly uncomfortable with... it's still a beautiful song though! :nod:

[jmn3]

This is one of those songs that grew on me over the years. I too am not crazy over the "daddy" part, but I like the song anyhow. The only complaint I have about it is how it was used during "The Dance" tour. The song was done right after "Stand Back". BAD set placement. Stevie just gets done ripping the roof off the place and then Christine brings the mood WAY down. The excitement in the venue was huge after "Stand Back" and then Christine comes on and does a great performance but it was too stark of a transistion.

You're right, that was bad placement...I always thought a swap of "Oh Daddy" and "You Make Loving Fun" would have made that flow better.