Stevie’s weird and mysterious comment on Rupert Hine

[greendaze5]

‘…Then something happened to him (Rupert Hine) that simply made it impossible for us to ever be together again. I left him there… the rooms were still burning, but the fire had been stolen from us. It wasn’t over love, in fact… it had nothing to do with love. It was just a bad situation. I came back to Los Angeles, a very changed woman…’

(from Stevie’s ‘Time Space’ liner notes)

Anyone care to speculate what she meant? Despite Stevie’s denial, a secret love affair gone bad? Drugs? An argument over the making of the album? Or Stevie putting an overdramatic spin on things?

[David]

Makes me think of the last half of the film "The Barefoot Contessa."

Is it possible that Rupert's member got shot off in the war?

[michelej1]

Or Stevie putting an overdramatic spin on things?

Well, definitely that, but maybe a couple of the other options you suggested too.

She's my girl on that quote, Charlotte, Emily, Anne and Stephanie Bronte.

Michele

[mikebise]

I always figured he was gay.

[Nathan]

I think that somehow, cocaine got into the studio.

[wheart]

maybe she just woke up one morning and realized he was butt ugly.:wavey:

[greendaze5]

Hi Mike (Bise),

I'm one of your old fanzine ('Belle Fleur' and 'Mirror Mirror') subscribers.

Roland :wavey:

[Tango]

Stevie was once with a male friend who slipped her heroin, unbeknownst to her. I don't recall who it was, but she instantly ended all contact with that person. Was it Rupert?

[Hawkeye]

I thought Stevie said she never did heroin?

[Tango]

Stevie was not a heroin user. Someone slipped it to her once.

[Tango]

Here it is:

http://bla.fleetwoodmac.net/index.php?page=index_v2&id=191&c=11

Juke National Rock Weekly, 6/17/1989, Stevie Nicks on Loneliness, Drugs and Reincarnation


Juke National Rock Weekly (June 17, 1989)

Stevie Nicks on loneliness drugs and reincarnation

by Tamara Handii in L.A



It's not surprising that the wispy singer who started out writing songs about fairies and based her best known song "Rhiannon" on a white witch, would call her fourth solo LP The Other Side of the Mirror - based on Lewis Carroll's book Alice Through the Looking Glass.

Stevie Nicks is not the first rock singer to be attracted to Carroll's psychedelic writings. After all, Jefferson Airplane's classic single "White Rabbit" was also based on that book. Carroll incidentally was supposed to be a great fan of magic mushrooms and his books on Alice are supposed to be about LSD trips.

But back to Nicks. She sits on a huge sofa and is almost swallowed up by it. She doesn't look anything like her publicity photos; she's smaller, fatter and older. She sips iced tea and tells me she's no great fan of LSD. Or heroin.

"A guy once slipped it to me, I was so angry that I threw him out of the house and never saw him again."

Cocaine? Well that's another story altogether.

"Let me tell you something about cocaine, it's not a creative drug. It will not help you paint a masterpiece or write a symphony. What it does is to give you energy to do something. People forget that people in pop music tend to work very hard. If you've been working for 18 hours for six days straight, you loose all your energy, and you fall back on something that will give you the energy to keep going.

"I wasn't 29 until I first tried coke. Let me tell you something about heroin and Fleetwood Mac. We never dabbled with it. We didn't wanna commit suicide."

At the ripe old age of 40, Stevie Nicks seems very happy and positive about herself. She remains one of rock's biggest enigmas. When Fleetwood Mac made their last album, it was clear she gave very little input: if you read between the lines, you got the impression from the others that Stevie was tripping around with the fairies and that they recorded around her. Yet is was Stevie who most emphatically insisted that Lindsey Buckingham be sacked from Fleetwood Mac when he broke one cardinal rule - be as decadent and indulgent and career minded as you want to be, but don't hurt Fleetwood Mac. And Lindsey tried to hurt the Macs when he put his ego first before his commitment to the band.

" I am absolutely in love with being in Fleetwood Mac. Everything about if thrills me. It's a wonderful feeling to see seven limousines coming to pick us up before a show, or to stand onstage and see all these people, I call the (their error not mine) my children, but they're mums, dads, kids, elder brothers, sisters, ex-lovers, lovers, everybody.

"They can listen to a Fleetwood Mac song and feel the honesty because we've gone through just about every emotion imaginable. Truly, you cannot find a crazier soap opera television than Fleetwood Mac's story. We've loved each other, we've hated each other, and we've bled on each other. At the end of the day, I can't find a better bunch of people that I love and respect. I could never be in another band, because the chemistry between us is so special and unique."

Nicks laughingly reveals that Mac are no different to any other band which hits the road for a long time - they also throw the prank here and there to let off steam.

"Things do get crazy, but we've never resorted to smashing up hotel rooms. That's so crude and unimaginative. We go for well thought-out pranks. I remember one time, we finished a world tour in Hawaii, and we fell on our tour manager. Poor man came back into his room and it had been turned into a barnyard - live chickens, straw, oh it was so beautifully staged."

Stevie Nicks is the sort of person that a soap opera can be written about. She was a struggling cocktail waitress who was whisked away to a limousine lifestyle, suffering from broken love affairs, extreme loneliness, and a drug problem that bought her into a rehabilitation centre.

She's obviously a very rich lady and lives in one of the most prestigious parts of California. But she's resigned to the fact that she'll always be a lonely person. Boyfriends do try and make contact, but give up frustrated and angry because her music takes priority over them anytime. (She was married once, briefly in 1983. A friend who died of leukaemia asked her to marry her husband to look after her new baby. Stevie kept her promise but the alliance was ill-fated). So she spends much of her time alone, or with a group of females who surround her as make-up artists, secretaries, wardrobe attendants etc. They keep her company while she paints, hand-tints photographs and crochets blankets. Her life, she says, reminds her of Alice in Wonderland. She rushed through life, late for everything. She's alone. Alice was surrounded by people but could not find a friend. Friendship to Alice and Stevie is nothing more than companionship, or security if she has to go out at night in LA's violent streets.

Her love affairs last for about three years and the partings are usually far from amicable.

"Even if a man has the patience and tolerance of a saint, there's no way he could put up with my lifestyle. You know, like 'I'm sorry honey but your eight on the list of priorities right now'. Or, 'hey honey, kiss me goodbye for eight months 'cos I'm going off around the world with the band."

"I was reading about Madonna just this morning and her inability to have a relationship with a man, and she must be going through the same thing. I have nothing but admiration for her. She's a hardworking spunky lady, and I'd love to do a duet with her one day."

Born in Phoenix, Arizona, she spent much of her childhood lonely as the family moved virtually every year. Her father was an executive in the fast food worlds, and kept moving as he rose up the corporate ladder. At four she was doing perfect song 'n' dance routines in front of the mirror. Her grandfather, a country 'n' western singer, got her up onstage to do the "answers" when he did call 'n' response routines in his set. At 16, her parents gave her an acoustic guitar, and she composed her first song that evening. A year later she joined her first folk-rock group which was based on the Mamas and Papas.

That proved fateful. Three years later she was at a church social in San Francisco and saw this curly-haired bearded boy singing "California Dreaming". She walked over uninvited and sang perfect harmony with Lindsey Buckingham. They became lovers and partners, had a dud LP and then joined Fleetwood Mac.

She's perfectly content with a lifestyle that mixes loneliness with glamour. But one thing used to worry her. She believes in reincarnation and believes that in her past lives she's been an Egyptian ruler, a Nazi concentration camp victim and even a concert pianist. But she thinks that her current life is the last time on earth and she'll now enter another spirit world.

"Death itself doesn't scare me. But what does scare me is that once I die, I wouldn't be able to create and write songs anymore. But one time I had this dream where I saw myself in this very happy place, all white with clouds and birds, and I was sitting at a white desk with a white quill working on something. Clearly, I could see I'd continue to compose after my life and that clinched it. I can accept anything that this world or the next gives me."

Thanks to Rochelle for submitting this to us.

[mikebise]

Hi Mike (Bise),

I'm one of your old fanzine ('Belle Fleur' and 'Mirror Mirror') subscribers.

Roland :wavey:

Hi Roland!!!!!! "And the days go by", right? Nice to see you again!

[Hawkeye]

Stevie was not a heroin user. Someone slipped it to her once.

My understanding of heroin is once it gets slipped to you "once" you want it slipped to you a lot more. I've not had first hand experoence with heroin but I have with members of its family and can attest to that. And considering Stevie's highly addictive personality i find it hard to believe it was ever slipped to her. And in the highlighted part of your article I think shes refering to being slipped LSD not heroin. LSD is not addictive and that would make more sense.

[IKV Nexis]

People forget that people in pop music tend to work very hard. If you've been working for 18 hours for six days straight, you loose all your energy, and you fall back on something that will give you the energy to keep going.

Now that ain't workin' that's the way you do it
You play the guitar on the MTV
That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Money for nothin' and your chicks for free
Money for nothin' and chicks for free
:]

[vermicious knid]

She seems to have left Rupert at a place that was not her house, and the LSD quote is about throwing someone out of her house, so they don't seem to fit.


How about. . . .

[Dave] Stewart famously took enormous amounts of LSD until he met Annie Lennox. 'Before Annie, I didn't eat at all. I remember once eating a tiny little bit of crisp when I was on LSD and I was like: "How do you eat this? It's enormous." And then when you take speed of course you don't need food at all. "
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2003/jul/13/foodanddrink.features5


I know that Stevie coined the phrase "Don't Come Around Here No More", but I don't remember if Dave said it was directed at him or why.

[Tango]

My understanding of heroin is once it gets slipped to you "once" you want it slipped to you a lot more. I've not had first hand experoence with heroin but I have with members of its family and can attest to that. And considering Stevie's highly addictive personality i find it hard to believe it was ever slipped to her. And in the highlighted part of your article I think shes refering to being slipped LSD not heroin. LSD is not addictive and that would make more sense.

Well, no, not necessarily--once isn't enough. Heroin a narcotic. Repeated usage will lead to tolerance and addiction. It can be snorted, smoked or injected. Given Stevie's preferred usage of cocaine, it's possible it was cut into the coke and was snorted. I guess we'll need more info from "Ask Stevie" as to which agent was slipped to her. ;) I guess LSD can be inhaled as well as taken orally or injected--but Stevie would certainly be aware if someone stuck her! I suppose we'll have to chalk up the article as an "unclear antecedent" in terms of which drug was slipped to her. You think it's the former, while I took it to mean the latter, merely because it came last. :shrug:

[SapphireSister]

"...I was so angry that I threw him out of the house and never saw him again."

Well that narrows it down! :D

[soul_drifter333]

I always figured he was gay.

This was always my guess also.:)

[David]

This was always my guess also.:)Stevie referred to something that "made it impossible for us to ever be together again."

Did she mean "together" as in lovers only? I thought she meant it in a more general sense, because it seems she really did stop hanging out with Rupert after that point.

In that light, his being gay wouldn't have been the driving factor behind her never again spending ANY time with him whatsoever.

I think he did something heinous--like break things down at the Silver Springs Emporium. Rupert was like a bull in a china shop. He destroyed Tiffany lamps, depression glass, custard glass, carnival glass, Art Deco bedroom furniture, antiques soda bottles, & Victorian brass bed frames. He must have just gone on a mad rampage.

[Angel69]

Well, no, not necessarily--once isn't enough. Heroin a narcotic. Repeated usage will lead to tolerance and addiction. It can be snorted, smoked or injected. Given Stevie's preferred usage of cocaine, it's possible it was cut into the coke and was snorted. I guess we'll need more info from "Ask Stevie" as to which agent was slipped to her. ;) I guess LSD can be inhaled as well as taken orally or injected--but Stevie would certainly be aware if someone stuck her! I suppose we'll have to chalk up the article as an "unclear antecedent" in terms of which drug was slipped to her. You think it's the former, while I took it to mean the latter, merely because it came last. :shrug:

I was once slipped heroin and new immediately something was not right. I though it was coke but it didn't taste like it. I was so pissed at the guy but he had already immediately passed out so I hightailed it outta there. I really thought about going back to his place and beating the living **** out of him but figured it was not worth the trouble or aggravation of being brought up on assault charges. I did try it two or three times afterwards and never got hooked as I had heard the horror stories. I like Stevie also had a very addictive personality through much of the 1980's and 90's but wanted no part of heroin. :distress:

[tlssln]

maybe she just woke up one morning and realized he was butt ugly.:wavey:

LOL. Yeah, I think that was it.

[michelej1]

I think he did something heinous--like break things down at the Silver Springs Emporium. Rupert was like a bull in a china shop. He destroyed Tiffany lamps, depression glass, custard glass, carnival glass, Art Deco bedroom furniture, antiques soda bottles, & Victorian brass bed frames. He must have just gone on a mad rampage.

But if that happened and he destroyed the blue lamp that she carried from her mother's home and all the shattering glass went past her, wouldn't she have stopped loving him too? She said this had nothing to do with love.

Michele

[sleepless child]

It kind of sounds to me like he was into drugs and she didn't want any part of that in her life after going to Betty Ford. She says it had nothing to do with love. It has to be some thing she found unacceptable to her. I can't believe it would be because he was gay.

[celestenadia]

"H"as the real "reason"seems like the most plausible&logical...However it could've just as easily been coke.

[priestofnothing]

I remember reading somewhere that his wife got pregnant right around the time he was working with/seeing Stevie.

Here is some old discussion as well
http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=18468

[CADreaming]

I think the "something" was she found out he sucked as a producer...

[trackaghost]

I thought it was because Hine was married to his songwriting partner Jeanette Obstoj?

[SapphireSister]

I think the "something" was she found out he sucked as a producer...
Or sucked in bed...

[jedw]

I always assumed he knocked her up and she aborted it.

I know this might offend people who like to pretend she never had abortions, so like I say its ONLY a theory.

I think if she had found out he was gay - it would hardly mean she "Never see him again" lol

The cocaine story is very plausible having said all that - she wouldn't want to be around that just a couple of years after getting clean.

[Bubba Fleetwood]

I remember reading somewhere that his wife got pregnant right around the time he was working with/seeing Stevie.

Here is some old discussion as well
http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=18468Boy, talk about something that would make one hell of an interesting chapter in Stevie's book ( that she will never write). Anyway, there was once a story going round that his wife had caught them in bed together. That Rupert had never really mentioned his wife to Stevie or anything. This prob is not true but I hope it is cause it's really dirty and Stevie has always come across is being kind of bitter about that relationship. You know, his name is mis-spelled in the Timespace tourbook. I have always wondered if that was supposed to be. Hummmmm.

[Ghost_Tracker]

‘…Then something happened to him (Rupert Hine) that simply made it impossible for us to ever be together again. I left him there… the rooms were still burning, but the fire had been stolen from us. It wasn’t over love, in fact… it had nothing to do with love. It was just a bad situation. I came back to Los Angeles, a very changed woman…’

(from Stevie’s ‘Time Space’ liner notes)

Anyone care to speculate what she meant? Despite Stevie’s denial, a secret love affair gone bad? Drugs? An argument over the making of the album? Or Stevie putting an overdramatic spin on things?


No evidence for this, but if someone put a gun to my head and said I had no choice but to take my best guess, I would say that he probably found out his wife was pregnant. I would imagine Stevie at that point would be like, "YEAH okay have a nice DAY! I hope it's a beautiful CHILD! Hey do you have a pen? Thanks. Gotta go, bye."
That seems like "the most-likely scenario" to me.

[greendaze5]

Since the lyrics of ‘Rooms on Fire’ were supposedly inspired by Rupert Hine, I think Stevie was attracted to him and vice versa, and they had a brief fling during the making of the record. ‘It had nothing to do with love’ could mean that it was a purely physical relationship. Maybe after the album was done, Roop dumped her, hence Stevie’s bitter feelings.

Oh, here’s a rare pic of Stevie and Roop in their ‘happier’ days together attached below). Sorry for the lousy quality. It’s a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy. If anyone has a clear copy of this - please post.

The caption says the two were attending the premier of the U2 movie ‘Rattle and Hum’ together.

[Ghost_Tracker]

Since the lyrics of ‘Rooms on Fire’ were supposedly inspired by Rupert Hine, I think Stevie was attracted to him and vice versa, and they had a brief fling during the making of the record. ‘It had nothing to do with love’ could mean that it was a purely physical relationship.


I've seen other interviews where Stevie indicated that Rupert Hine was it for her; that he was "THE one." Granted she's said that about others - especially Joe Walsh and Lindsey - - - But this somehow seemed "different." To me at least.
And I remember in the past people have commented in here that it seemed that way to them. :)

[Bubba Fleetwood]

I've seen other interviews where Stevie indicated that Rupert Hine was it for her; that he was "THE one." Granted she's said that about others - especially Joe Walsh and Lindsey - - - But this somehow seemed "different." To me at least.
And I remember in the past people have commented in here that it seemed that way to them. :)I remember her writting in that Timespace tourbook that he was older than her. I wonder if that had something to do with all of that. Ya know, just about every guy Stevie has been involved with has been younger than her. She has admitted that around the Dance period in '97 she was involved with a guy in his 20's. That just makes me want to say, "Stevie, get down with your bad cougar self !!!!"

[gypsy4life]

He had to be good in bed for her to able to stand that ugly face!!!

[Sanne2]

The caption says the two were attending the premier of the U2 movie ‘Rattle and Hum’ together.

That was November 3, 1988.
Here's a pic from July 15 1989, 8 months later and still happy together:
http://xs.to/image-6C43_4BA68660.jpg (http://xs.to/share-6C43_4BA68660.html)

[soul_drifter333]

My, she sure loved the BIG hats during this period!:shrug:

[PenguinHead]

I think the "something" was she found out he sucked as a producer...

:laugh::laugh: And could someone be so ugly that they can set rooms on fire every time they walk in the room?

[fringed n fab]

Lindsey was by FAR the most handsome of any man we know she's dated/been involved with.

[michelej1]

:laugh::laugh: And could someone be so ugly that they can set rooms on fire every time they walk in the room?

Maybe she found out he was an arsonist. Poets, priests and pyromaniacs.

Michele