Mirage Recorded 15 cents Flat?

[MichaelE]

I used to play along with the Mirage album quite a bit many years ago on my Kurzweil. It was very easy to retune this monster within the pitch that the songs were recorded. I can still match the pitch on my SP88X, so no problem with the piano.

I still wonder to this day why the tape speed was slowed approximately 15c and mastered at that recorded speed.

This isn't a simple retuning or playing the song in a different key. Someone was screwing with the speed control on the tape machine. The whole album is detuned to approximately this value.

I don't play along with the album on the guitar for this reason. I could detune one of my guitars to do this, but then it wouldn't sound the same as the Turner.

Would anyone care to further any other speculation on this?

[LukeA]

The master recording of Mirage is a POS. Sure, the CD transfer is abominable, but there are enough audible flaws even on the original vinyl pressing (ex. the crunchy audio dropout after "me me me" on "Straight Back"- the tape must have been physically garbled) that demonstrate just how poorly this album was put together.

[OldTimer]

Maybe I'm missing something here -- how is this Post-Rumours? :shrug:

[MichaelE]

Maybe because it was released after Rumours?

[vivfox]

Maybe because it was released after Rumours?

Cute answer.

[OldTimer]

Whatever. I thought Post-Rumours meant the band members that came after the Rumours era, i.e. Billy, Rick, Bekka, and Dave, but I guess it really doesn't matter....

[MichaelE]

Cute answer.

It wasn't supposed to be cute. I didn't know that's all we talked about here was band members.

[OldTimer]

No worries Michael, you're not the first to interpret 'Post-Rumours' that way :). I didn't mean to sound snappy. It's not like we get an uncontrollable stampede of posters over here, anyway! :D

And I can't touch your question because I'm totally clueless as to what you and Luke were talking about. :o Peace! :thumbsup:

[vivfox]

No worries Michael, you're not the first to interpret 'Post-Rumours' that way :). I didn't mean to sound snappy. It's not like we get an uncontrollable stampede of posters over here, anyway! :D


You would if you put Stevie's name in the thread title.

[OldTimer]

You would if you put Stevie's name in the thread title.
Yep, that was demonstrated quite well just recently ;).....something about Stevie & Billy that got 90 replies, right Viv? -- where my MFBB threads are lucky to get 3 or 4. :mad:

:rolleyes: (((idea)))

Does Stevie Nicks dislike the Mick Fleetwood Blues Band?

:cool:

[holidayroad]

Yep, that was demonstrated quite well just recently ;).....something about Stevie & Billy that got 90 replies, right Viv? -- where my MFBB threads are lucky to get 3 or 4. :mad:

:rolleyes: (((idea)))

Does Stevie Nicks dislike the Mick Fleetwood Blues Band?

:cool:

Really, Stevie fans should come to this part of the board also. I mean, she was at least on Behind the Mask with Rick and Billy.

[michelej1]

It wasn't supposed to be cute. I didn't know that's all we talked about here was band members.

We do definitely talk about albums as well as band members. I know it's not as clear as it should be, but the Post-Rumours section is supposed to be for talk about the band after the Rumours line up (Chris, John, Mick, Lindsey, Stevie) disbanded. So, after Lindsey left in 1987, all the discussions about the Cage tour, Behind the Mask, Time, Rick, Bekka and Billy go here.

I can see why it was confusing.

Michele

[TrueFaith77]

Yep, that was demonstrated quite well just recently ;).....something about Stevie & Billy that got 90 replies, right Viv? -- where my MFBB threads are lucky to get 3 or 4. :mad:

:rolleyes: (((idea)))

Does Stevie Nicks dislike the Mick Fleetwood Blues Band?

:cool:


Actually, that's not a bad idea. After all: "Is Stevie jealous of the Mick Fleetwood Blues Band's Grammy nomination?"

[vivfox]

Yep, that was demonstrated quite well just recently ;).....something about Stevie & Billy that got 90 replies, right Viv? -- where my MFBB threads are lucky to get 3 or 4. :mad:

:rolleyes: (((idea)))

Does Stevie Nicks dislike the Mick Fleetwood Blues Band?

:cool:

Exactly! My intention was to bring more people to that part of the board. And it worked.:nod: But I was also curious if Stevie ever said anything negative about Billy.

[nailatixela]

We do definitely talk about albums as well as band members. I know it's not as clear as it should be, but the Post-Rumours section is supposed to be for talk about the band after the Rumours line up (Chris, John, Mick, Lindsey, Stevie) disbanded. So, after Lindsey left in 1987, all the discussions about the Cage tour, Behind the Mask, Time, Rick, Bekka and Billy go here.


Does Stevie Nicks dislike this type of forum organization?

[JamieSPC]

The master recording of Mirage is a POS. Sure, the CD transfer is abominable, but there are enough audible flaws even on the original vinyl pressing (ex. the crunchy audio dropout after "me me me" on "Straight Back"- the tape must have been physically garbled) that demonstrate just how poorly this album was put together.

Sooo... back to the topic? :)

Luke, is it physically possible then to go back and "fix" this album for a re-release? Are the masters in any kind of shape for this?

From an economical standpoint there may be no chance of this happening, but I love this record. When I was a kid, this was the first FM vinyl I remember buying on my own after listening to Rumours for years and owning Bella Donna. It has a tremendous amount of sentimental value.

The CD is unlistenable. The vinyl is better and through headphones is a revelation. Right now I am living with a digital transfer of the vinyl I did myself.

~Jamie