Buckingham Nicks Missing Multi-Tracks

[hippilil86]

I was reading through Ken Callait's Q&A session, and I'm confused by what he meant about the Buckingham Nicks multi-tracks being lost. Is this a major problem for the album to ever be re-released? I've included the question and answer below.







Hi Ken, I was wondering what the chances are of the other FM albums (especially Tusk) being rereleased on DVD-Audio? I'd think this would be a great way to also rerelease B-sides that never saw the light of day past singles before, like you did with Rumours on Silver Springs. Also, do you know if there's any chance we could see a compilation DVD of all of the Fleetwood Mac, Stevie, Lindsey, Chris and Mick's Zoo music videos? Thanks sooo much for taking the time to do this! (Brian Shoop, Cornwall, Pennsylvania, USA)

I'd like to see all the Mac albums out in DVD-Audio. My thoughts were the "Best of Tusk' or the "Greatest Hits". It would really help me, as well as the band, if all of you could vote on what you would like to hear next in DVD-Audio. Tell us! Mirage? Fleetwood Mac, Fleetwood Mac? Tango in the Night? Buckingham Nicks? the Zoo? The problem is we can't find the multi-tracks of Buckingham/Nicks. I'll pay $$$$ if anyone can help find the tapes. Thank you for taking your time to ask me these questions.

[CADreaming]

I was reading through Ken Callait's Q&A session, and I'm confused by what he meant about the Buckingham Nicks multi-tracks being lost. Is this a major problem for the album to ever be re-released? I've included the question and answer below.







Q: Hi Ken, I was wondering what the chances are of the other FM albums (especially Tusk) being rereleased on DVD-Audio? I'd think this would be a great way to also rerelease B-sides that never saw the light of day past singles before, like you did with Rumours on Silver Springs. Also, do you know if there's any chance we could see a compilation DVD of all of the Fleetwood Mac, Stevie, Lindsey, Chris and Mick's Zoo music videos? Thanks sooo much for taking the time to do this! (Brian Shoop, Cornwall, Pennsylvania, USA)

A: I'd like to see all the Mac albums out in DVD-Audio. My thoughts were the "Best of Tusk' or the "Greatest Hits". It would really help me, as well as the band, if all of you could vote on what you would like to hear next in DVD-Audio. Tell us! Mirage? Fleetwood Mac, Fleetwood Mac? Tango in the Night? Buckingham Nicks? the Zoo? The problem is we can't find the multi-tracks of Buckingham/Nicks. I'll pay $$$$ if anyone can help find the tapes. Thank you for taking your time to ask me these questions.

For real? I was under the impression Stevie and Lindsey own the masters and are in possession (in some manager's safe somewhere). So, are master's and "multi tracks" two separate things? If Tom Moncrieff and Kim Anderson believed BN could be released 10 years ago... and Stevie told Tom that Keith Olsen was the hold up back then... what's the real scoop?

Of course, I still think it will be released and they're just playing a cat and mouse game... Otherwise, why would Lindsey have re-recorded "Stephanie"?

[louielouie2000]

I remember at one point, the Masters were missing for Buckingham Nicks. Then they were discovered, but in tentative condition. From what I've gathered, Stevie is waiting for Lindsey (and vice versa) to agree as to when to re-release BN. Which I honestly don't see happening anytime soon, since the collapse of the traditional recording industry due to digital downloads. I think if we get an official version of BN, it will be down the road a ways... perhaps when either Stevie or Lindsey dies, or when one or the other retires completely. If it were a priority, they would have piggybacked it's release with The Dance, or even Say You Will. They would have found a way to make it happen by now if it really was important to them.

[CADreaming]

I remember at one point, the Masters were missing for Buckingham Nicks. Then they were discovered, but in tentative condition. From what I've gathered, Stevie is waiting for Lindsey (and vice versa) to agree as to when to re-release BN. Which I honestly don't see happening anytime soon, since the collapse of the traditional recording industry due to digital downloads. I think if we get an official version of BN, it will be down the road a ways... perhaps when either Stevie or Lindsey dies, or when one or the other retires completely. If it were a priority, they would have piggybacked it's release with The Dance, or even Say You Will. They would have found a way to make it happen by now if it really was important to them.

Yes, Lindsey has said they were waiting for the right marketing tool to come along... like they're not thinking of that or already have it planned. They've only had **muffled** years to think about it. Destiny doesn't rule - business does!

[MichaelE]

The multitrack tape is used for the two track stereo master. Commercial releases are produced from the stereo mix after the tape has been sent to a mastering house.

A new stereo master can be created from the muti-track recording. A re-mastering of an original two track stereo mix can also be done. Re-mastering a stereo master tape can be done with limited results but it cannot be re-mixed.

At best, re-mastering a once mastered stereo mix can be cleaned up and some frequency manipulation can be performed.

[CADreaming]

The multitrack tape is used for the two track stereo master. Commercial releases are produced from the stereo mix after the tape has been sent to a mastering house.

A new stereo master can be created from the muti-track recording. A re-mastering of an original two track stereo mix can also be done. Re-mastering a stereo master tape can be done with limited results but it cannot be re-mixed.

At best, re-mastering a once mastered stereo mix can be cleaned up and some frequency manipulation can be performed.

Gotcha. So, it could be re-released as a remastered version - but the ideal would be to remix it altogether (from original multi track)? I can see how LB may be interested in doing that, but then again he has said why not just release it as is - he said something like "it is what it is"...

[MichaelE]

I think the original sounded fine. I bought a new copy of the album in '78. The recording was very clean and well engineered and mastered.

I agree with Lindsey. I wouldn't change a thing.

[starshine]

Sounds like it can be done......but for various reasons....its not happend which is kinda sad really.....:confused:

[CADreaming]

Sounds like it can be done......but for various reasons....its not happend which is kinda sad really.....:confused:

Stevie's latest quote on it was - "we will make sure it happens."

[iamnotafraid]

I believe they used the master tapes for the Enchanted Box release
Long Distance Winner.

And also on Lindsey's promo-CD Words and Music Stephanie,
which I highly recommend to anyone who doesn't have it.

[hippilil86]

Aha.... So it may not necessarily matter that the multi-tracks are missing. Thanks for the info, guys! It doesn't hurt to hope that this will come out, eventually, hopefully before Lindsey and Stevie retire or die.

[Sanne2]

So basically they don't have ANY excuse for not releasing it.

[Dodfather]

They would have found a way to make it happen by now if it really was important to them.

Louie, I completely agree with you on this.

[Dodfather]

And also on Lindsey's promo-CD Words and Music Stephanie,
which I highly recommend to anyone who doesn't have it.

What cd is this? I haven't heard of it and would love to check it out.

Also, how do you quite from various messages in one reply? I've seen many others do it before and it would have saved me having to post 2 replies (see theone above). Thanks.

Al.

[CADreaming]

What cd is this? I haven't heard of it and would love to check it out.

Also, how do you quite from various messages in one reply? I've seen many others do it before and it would have saved me having to post 2 replies (see theone above). Thanks.

Al.

The only way I know how to do it is to hit quote and respond in the reply box, then copy, hit back on the browser, then go to the next one and do the same, pasting the quote and reply that I just made into the new reply box.

[LiamMcConville]

To quote more than one poster at once:

At the bottom right of their post, click the little page button with the big bold quote ""+"

You can click this button for as many posts as you'd like. When you're ready to reply, cilck "QUOTE" on the last poster you'd like to reply to.



Also, how do you quite from various messages in one reply? I've seen many others do it before and it would have saved me having to post 2 replies (see theone above). Thanks.

Al.

The only way I know how to do it is to hit quote and respond in the reply box, then copy, hit back on the browser, then go to the next one and do the same, pasting the quote and reply that I just made into the new reply box.

[iamnotafraid]

What cd is this? I haven't heard of it and would love to check it out.

It was a CD that ole' WB sent out to promote "Out Of The Cradle".
You could probably find one on Ebay. Though If WB finds out that
you have a copy you'll go straight to jail and not be able to use your
get out of jail free card.

[Dodfather]

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It was a CD that ole' WB sent out to promote "Out Of The Cradle".
You could probably find one on Ebay. Though If WB finds out that
you have a copy you'll go straight to jail and not be able to use your
get out of jail free card.#

Got it - thanks Liam!

As for that CD, I now muct hear it! Other than one interview on youtube, this is the only promotional item I've ever heard of for Out Of The Cradle - not including the tour, which would have been difficult to promote if stupid WB didn't promote the accompanyting record well enough in the first place!

Does anyone have the tracks from this cd or am I best off looking on ebay?

[CADreaming]

To quote more than one poster at once:

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Thanks for this info Liam!

[vivfox]

Thanks for this info Liam!

Now does anyone want to explain how to get the squigley line over the N for words in espanol?

[CADreaming]

Now does anyone want to explain how to get the squigley line over the N for words in espanol?

Hold down the alt key and key 164 on the keypad.

piñata.

Works!

[Richard B]

As for that CD, I now muct hear it!

Does anyone have the tracks from this cd or am I best off looking on ebay?

I have this CD. It is occasionally found on EBAY. Here is an Amazon link to it, with Amazon Sellers. Not worth buying brand new/sealed, unless that is your goal, imo. Also, I do believe the Stephanie track was ripped off vinyl. I swear I hear vinyl popping.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61KP35G0%2BAL._SS400_.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51eGA5nl%2BvL._SS400_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Words-Music-Retrospective-Lindsey-Buckingham/dp/B001B4E15Y

Good luck!

[vivfox]

Hold down the alt key and key 164 on the keypad.

piñata.

Works!

I'll try it. Here it goes: Writing in Espanol now.

[vivfox]

I'll try it. Here it goes: Writing in Espanol now.

Nope, doesn't work. It might as well be a torrent.

[gldstwmn]

Tom Moncrief said in his Q&A that the hold up was not with Lindsey or Stevie but with Keith Olsen. So who the hell knows? :shrug:

[CADreaming]

Nope, doesn't work. It might as well be a torrent.

LOL. :shrug: Works for me... español...you don't type the n first by the way - when you get to that letter, hold down alt and key 164.

[CADreaming]

Tom Moncrief said in his Q&A that the hold up was not with Lindsey or Stevie but with Keith Olsen. So who the hell knows? :shrug:

Stevie, Lindsey and TPTB...

[LukeA]

As for that CD, I now muct hear it! Other than one interview on youtube, this is the only promotional item I've ever heard of for Out Of The Cradle - not including the tour, which would have been difficult to promote if stupid WB didn't promote the accompanyting record well enough in the first place!


Yeah!! I mean, except for the extensive radio & TV promotional tours they set up/put Lindsey on, the Chicago PBS CenterStage show they financed, the nationally syndicated radio broadcast of the Coach House show they got placed in ~35 of the 40 major markets, and the millions of dollars they spent on press, advertisements, and the four (four!?!!) concept videos.. they didn't do a damn thing!!

[vivfox]

LOL. :shrug: Works for me... español...you don't type the n first by the way - when you get to that letter, hold down alt and key 164.

I finally know how to write in español thanks to a fine young man who looks a little bit like one of the members of Fleetwood Mac. So now if Juan R. goes out on date #13 with me I can impress him with my new español skillz.

[Dodfather]

Yeah!! I mean, except for the extensive radio & TV promotional tours they set up/put Lindsey on, the Chicago PBS CenterStage show they financed, the nationally syndicated radio broadcast of the Coach House show they got placed in ~35 of the 40 major markets, and the millions of dollars they spent on press, advertisements, and the four (four!?!!) concept videos.. they didn't do a damn thing!!

Whoa - was there any need for the sracasm there?! I had always heard that the album suffered a lack of promotion and had accepted that as received wisdom. You could have just simply said that I was wrong and listed what promotion was done for the record.

Now that you have oh so politely corrected me I will be sure not to make such sweeping statements again without checking that I know every single detail of something before commenting on it.

[LukeA]

Whoa - was there any need for the sracasm there?! I had always heard that the album suffered a lack of promotion and had accepted that as received wisdom. You could have just simply said that I was wrong and listed what promotion was done for the record.

Now that you have oh so politely corrected me I will be sure not to make such sweeping statements again without checking that I know every single detail of something before commenting on it.

I apologize that I lumped you in with those who cling to the belief that the reason why the album wasn't successful had to have been a problem with the promotion & not the product/timing. I especially should have taken into consideration that you are in the UK- they/Lindsey promoted the hell out of the album over here. Sadly, you are correct when you infer that the generally accepted belief is that Warners could have done better (although its worth noting when you ask any of these people what they would have done differently, they never have any response)

[iamnotafraid]

I apologize that I lumped you in with those who cling to the belief that the reason why the album wasn't successful had to have been a problem with the promotion & not the product/timing. Sadly, you are correct when you infer that the generally accepted belief is that Warners could have done better (although its worth noting when you ask any of these people what they would have done differently, they never have any response)

I'm still one who thinks WB/Reprise could do better. The people in radio
that I work with had no idea at all that Under The Skin or Live At
Bass Hall was even out. I personally got some airtime for those releases.

The second point about WB/Reprise is they sometimes treat you like they
are doing you a favor when sending out promotional materials. And they
are among the slowest responders in the music business, at least in my
experience.

That said, I am talking about Lindsey's last three releases and not OOTC.
And of course they have to be realistic about sales, but I do not like a
defeatest attitude. And that's exactly what WB brings to the table on
some of their releases. You never win with that type of an attitude in
any business. Same goes for life, at least in my experience.

In the end Warner/Reprise wouldn't give Lindsey the time of day if it
weren't for the back-catalog of Fleetwood Mac. And to a lesser degree
a possible new album from the group.

[HejiraNYC]

I would tend to agree with LukeA that WB pushed OOTC aggressively and that even fawning notices in the media were unable to give it much momentum. I do recall seeing lots and lots of print ads, reviews and interviews in mainstream rags like People and Rolling Stone as well as seeing the videos in constant rotation on VH1. But I have to admit that the first I saw/heard from OOTC was the video for "Wrong," which, fittingly enough, was the wrong song for a lead-off single. My initial impression was "WTF was that?" :eek: It's not your typical melodic, catchy Lindsey song. It was definitely quirky but really had no reason being a single, let alone an album track. "Countdown" should have been the lead off single. By the time that single/video was released, OOTC was already damaged goods.

In hindsight, I think expectations were sky high, and the assumption was that OOTC would benefit from the momentum of TITN. But that was five years ago, and Fleetwood Mac had already released an album (and somewhat sullied the FM brand) in the interim. Although five years between albums is not so unusual these days, back then it was an eternity. Without the internet to keep your fanbase alive, you were pretty much forgotten if you weren't out there recording and touring constantly. So after five years of not a peep from LiddyBuck, what was everyone expecting?