Illume [Archive] - The Ledge

Storms1968

11-23-2009, 12:53 PM

I hate to sound needy, but I am in a desperate search for a different version of the song Illume other than the one on Say You Will. Live, demo, a capella, re-mix, anything... I already have the Thnder Mix - but if anyone knows (or has) a different version, please let me know. Or, if nothing exist, let me know that, too.

Thank you all.

J

BellaDonna93

11-23-2009, 02:40 PM

I love the lyrics of Illume very much, it's sad but great! And I would love to hear more versions of it than the version on the album :)

Christopher

11-23-2009, 03:17 PM

I Love Illume, one of the best songs she's written in decades. I love the syncopated, stacatto manner in which she structures the verses & chorus and that great final blowOUT vocal that is reminicent of her heyday. The song is like a gregorian chant!

I feel this song is one of her more underrated songs on SYW. Many people let the sped up Lindsey demon voices ruin the whole experience for them, but I feel this adds the perfect menacing threat that underlie's the songs orgins of inspiration.

I would love to hear a demo version, or just acoustic version similiar to the Destiny Rules doc. one of them sitting around strumming the song.

joe68

11-23-2009, 03:47 PM

Or you could listen to Richard Ashcroft's "New York", I mean it pretty much is the same song! :)

Christopher

11-23-2009, 04:20 PM

I agree that Lindsey definitely owes his inspiration for production on "Illume" to Richard Ashcroft's "New York". I doubt very much that Stevie has even heard this song...unless she was a big fan of The Verve. I much more suspect that Lindsey is familiar with The Verve and Ashcroft's solo stuff.

Even more reason that I would love to hear Stevie's original demo of this song. She brought in 4 new demos into the production for SYW to bring in fresh material vs her songs from the vault, including SYW, Destiny Rules, Silver Girl & Illume. From the Destiny Rules doc we hear snippits of all these demos cept' Illume.

Too bad these demos are not in circulation from what I heard in the doc, the Destiny Rules demo rocks!

Storms1968

11-23-2009, 04:58 PM

I have never heard the Destiny Rules demo. Is it available anywhere?

LukeA

11-23-2009, 05:07 PM

I agree that Lindsey definitely owes his inspiration for production on "Illume" to Richard Ashcroft's "New York". I doubt very much that Stevie has even heard this song...unless she was a big fan of The Verve. I much more suspect that Lindsey is familiar with The Verve and Ashcroft's solo stuff.

So I'm guessing it was also Lindsey's idea that the lyrics of "Illume" were also based on New York? C'mon, this goes on Stevie.

MacAttack

11-23-2009, 07:20 PM

Illume is the best track on Say You Will, and one of Stevie's all time greats. I've always wondered about other mixes, never heard the Thunder mix. Can someone upload? Would really appreciate it!

louielouie2000

11-23-2009, 07:27 PM

So I'm guessing it was also Lindsey's idea that the lyrics of "Illume" were also based on New York? C'mon, this goes on Stevie.

You're probably right. After all, she did rip off Sting twice with "Bring On The Night" by the Police for the Edge of 17 guitar and drum riff. Then she did it again with Sting's "Shape Of My Heart" for Bombay Sapphires.

On the other hand, Lindsey totally ripped of an obscure '80s song for "What's The World Coming To," the name of which is escaping me at the moment.

For those who haven't heard Richard Ashcroft's "New York," here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aKO38bPf7g

michelej1

11-23-2009, 08:58 PM

On the other hand, Lindsey totally ripped of an obscure '80s song for "What's The World Coming To," the name of which is escaping me at the moment.

J. Raymond is credited as a writer for What's the World Coming To. If Stevie actually borrowed from Sting that's not credited.

Michele

Storms1968

11-23-2009, 11:50 PM

Here is the link for the Thunder Mix:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/3tx4am

Also, during my search I saw that someone had posted these recently:
Illume #1
http://www.sendspace.com/file/bkfs4w

Illume #2
http://www.sendspace.com/file/nq2pmm

GypsyBlueEyes

11-24-2009, 12:33 AM

I have to admit, I had to listen to this one a few times before I started to like it. I didn't get it at first. There were moments in the song especially towards the end that took me by surprise...but for the most part I didn't think the lyrics (which I liked and thought made a great poem) were meant to be put to music...it seemed kind of forced and I didn't think it flowed very well. I love it now, though. It just took some getting used to.

lacesundone

11-24-2009, 01:01 AM

Does it bother anyone else that she says Nag Champra? It's Nag Champa. It is also typed in the liner notes as Champra not Champa... That has always bothered me.... Am I alone? With my thoughts.. LOL

GypsyBlueEyes

11-24-2009, 01:08 AM

LOL! I realized that not long after first hearing the song. I had to google it because I had no idea what it was :D

petep9000

11-24-2009, 11:56 AM

Does it bother anyone else that she says Nag Champra? It's Nag Champa. It is also typed in the liner notes as Champra not Champa... That has always bothered me.... Am I alone? With my thoughts.. LOL

I like the sound of Nag Champra better though! When I see a package of it being sold as Nag Champa, it looks a little nude to me without the 'r'. LOL

Sleepless-Child

11-24-2009, 02:25 PM

So I'm guessing it was also Lindsey's idea that the lyrics of "Illume" were also based on New York? C'mon, this goes on Stevie.

It's a rip-off, obviously. I'm disappointed, kinda :shrug:
Still, I love Illume. At least, Stevie's lyrics are better...to me.

MacAttack

11-24-2009, 06:40 PM

I was always a fan of sampling. Does anyone know if the original artist got credit at all? If he did, I'm all good with it. But Illume is an awesome song, kinda bummed it's not totally original.

I'll throw it out there, did Ashcroft take from Fleetwood Mac? I would imagine like a lot of Stevie songs it's pretty old. Just musing.

vivfox

11-25-2009, 12:03 AM

Does it bother anyone else that she says Nag Champra? It's Nag Champa. It is also typed in the liner notes as Champra not Champa... That has always bothered me.... Am I alone? With my thoughts.. LOL
It always drove me nuts too. When I showed a friend of mine the photo of her in the studio with the box of incense on the table in front of her he said, " the bitch had it right in front of her and she still got it wrong." The only thing I could think of is she didn't want to give free promotion to a company.

GypsyBlueEyes

11-25-2009, 12:10 AM

The only thing I could think of is she didn't want to give free promotion to a company.

That really is the only thing that makes sense. :thumbsup:

Of course, where Stevie is concerned, things don't always have to make sense, do they? She does kind of live in her own little world :p

lacesundone

11-25-2009, 01:02 AM

Where is this picture? I must see it... If it's true it makes it that much worse... Oh Stevie...

StreetAngel86

11-25-2009, 05:54 AM

Illume is the best track on Say You Will, and one of Stevie's all time greats. I've always wondered about other mixes, never heard the Thunder mix. Can someone upload? Would really appreciate it!

er NO...Everybody Finds Out is the best track on Say You Will :D

holidayroad

11-25-2009, 09:27 AM

er NO...Everybody Finds Out is the best track on Say You Will :D

No....'Thrown Down' is the best track on Say You Will!:nod:

seekerj

11-25-2009, 10:18 AM

It always drove me nuts too. When I showed a friend of mine the photo of her in the studio with the box of incense on the table in front of her he said, " the bitch had it right in front of her and she still got it wrong." The only thing I could think of is she didn't want to give free promotion to a company.

"Champa" and "Champra" are both acceptable English spellings. Google it.

ragrsrocalot

11-25-2009, 11:21 AM

I love Illume. When I play it, I find the best experience for me, is to crank it all the way up so the windows vibrate. This song is a perfect example of, the louder the better.:thumbsup:

Sleepless-Child

11-25-2009, 12:26 PM

No....'Thrown Down' is the best track on Say You Will!

Agreed ! :nod:

daniellaaarisen

11-25-2009, 11:07 PM

Here is the link for the Thunder Mix:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/3tx4am

Also, during my search I saw that someone had posted these recently:
Illume #1
http://www.sendspace.com/file/bkfs4w

Illume #2
http://www.sendspace.com/file/nq2pmm

Illume #1 is just a CCM.

gypsy4life

11-26-2009, 05:24 PM

I like the sound of Nag Champra better though! When I see a package of it being sold as Nag Champa, it looks a little nude to me without the 'r'. LOL

LOL, I agree! I burn it all the time, and it is, and will always be Nag Champra to me!!

CADreaming

11-26-2009, 05:41 PM

ragrsrocalot

11-27-2009, 04:39 PM

^^^ That club looks like something that I'd be interested in.

Hawkeye

11-27-2009, 04:43 PM

I definitly see HUGE musical connections in the songs Illume vs. New York but dont see any lyrical connections.