Destiny Rules [Archive]

louielouie2000

11-03-2009, 09:40 PM

BellaDonna93

11-04-2009, 02:25 AM

Destiny Rulers is the best music documentary I've ever seen! I love it!
It really shows them together and how it is in the studio etc...

Btw, it's my dad's favourite Fleetwood Mac documentary also :) He's always like, when I'm watching other Mac/Stevie dvd's, Hanna can we watch that one when they are in the studio and John is on the boat etc...lol

LukeA

11-04-2009, 02:38 AM

I watched this on VH1 in '04 or whenever. Does the DVD have significantly more footage than what I saw back then?

CADreaming

11-04-2009, 07:37 AM

I watched this on VH1 in '04 or whenever. Does the DVD have significantly more footage than what I saw back then?

Did they play the actual doc or are you talking about the All Access?

The doc is definitely better and more detailed than All Access.

CADreaming

11-04-2009, 07:40 AM

I've had it for years, but just watched it again the other night. What really surprises me is how well overall Lindsey and Stevie got along. Especially how huggie, touchie feelie, and clique-ish they were Stevie's first day in the studio... all that grinning, and whispering to one another in the corners while listening to Stevie's tracks. All of this seems to defy Stevie's accusations the past couple of years that they fought like cats and dogs during the making of SYW, that she hated the songs, and that Lindsey treated her poorly. It seems like quite the opposite is true (sans the one fight about Chris Lord Alge, which I think was pretty tame). They all actually seemed to be having a pretty good time. :shrug:

Right. The fight was tame - they were both saying the same thing at the end of it, they just weren't listening to each other. I love the way they were working together at Needham's studio too - when Stevie tells Lindsey it's "very hooky". Also, if you slow down the fast motion stuff in that studio, she draws on a tablet and shows him something and they laugh and she picks up her dog and puts it in his face when he's lying on the couch. Cute.

I think the whole "Come" issue may have been a bigger fight that we didn't get to see.

Dodfather

11-04-2009, 09:05 AM

I think the whole "Come" issue may have been a bigger fight that we didn't get to see.

Sorry, but this quote dragged my mind right into the gutter...!!

TrueFaith77

11-04-2009, 09:13 AM

Right. The fight was tame - they were both saying the same thing at the end of it, they just weren't listening to each other. I love the way they were working together at Needham's studio too - when Stevie tells Lindsey it's "very hooky". Also, if you slow down the fast motion stuff in that studio, she draws on a tablet and shows him something and they laugh and she picks up her dog and puts it in his face when he's lying on the couch. Cute.

I think the whole "Come" issue may have been a bigger fight that we didn't get to see.

I thought she said: "very cookie" -- and I just couldn't figure out if that was a good thing ("Sweet!") or bad ("cookie cutter"). "Hooky" makes more sense (though I wonder how Peter Hook feels 'bout that). To which track was she referring? EFO?

michelej1

11-04-2009, 01:38 PM

I've had it for years, but just watched it again the other night. What really surprises me is how well overall Lindsey and Stevie got along. Especially how huggie, touchie feelie, and clique-ish they were Stevie's first day in the studio... all that grinning, and whispering to one another in the corners while listening to Stevie's tracks. All of this seems to defy Stevie's accusations the past couple of years that they fought like cats and dogs during the making of SYW, that she hated the songs, and that Lindsey treated her poorly. It seems like quite the opposite is true (sans the one fight about Chris Lord Alge, which I think was pretty tame). They all actually seemed to be having a pretty good time. :shrug:

But I do remember Stevie saying even then (a couple of years before she said she hated SYW in general) that while making it they would fight like school girls for two hours while discussing something that happened during Tusk.

I think they fought, but I don't think it was torture or lingering depression for anyone. I think Lindsey probably had to referee the same quality of fights between Will and LeeLee that he was participating in with Stevie.

Michele

holidayroad

11-04-2009, 02:42 PM

I always wondered why Lindsey, Mick, and John had been working so many months on SYW before Stevie was working on it.

daniellaaarisen

11-04-2009, 02:47 PM

I always wondered why Lindsey, Mick, and John had been working so many months on SYW before Stevie was working on it.

From my understanding, John and Mick had been helping Lindsey with a solo album and by the time the band decided to make a record under Fleetwood Mac, most of Lindsey's tracks were already done.

I really do love Destiny Rules. I cry at the end every single time I watch it, while Lindsey and Stevie hold hands and walk on stage together... I always feel ridiculous when I get that sappy over it, but its just so heartwarming to see after watching the rest of the documentary.

michelej1

11-04-2009, 03:48 PM

I always wondered why Lindsey, Mick, and John had been working so many months on SYW before Stevie was working on it.

Stevie was on tour. Michele

GODDESS6

11-04-2009, 04:20 PM

From my understanding, John and Mick had been helping Lindsey with a solo album and by the time the band decided to make a record under Fleetwood Mac, most of Lindsey's tracks were already done.

I really do love Destiny Rules. I cry at the end every single time I watch it, while Lindsey and Stevie hold hands and walk on stage together... I always feel ridiculous when I get that sappy over it, but its just so heartwarming to see after watching the rest of the documentary.
i'm the same way~

i also loved the 'deleted' footage of john & lindsey passing the pipe around:p:D~

LukeA

11-04-2009, 04:21 PM

Did they play the actual doc or are you talking about the All Access?

The doc is definitely better and more detailed than All Access.

I mean the documentary. VH1 aired "Destiny Rules", but I have no idea just how condensed/edited-for-TV it was (if it even was at all)

hippilil86

11-04-2009, 07:08 PM

i'm the same way~

i also loved the 'deleted' footage of john & lindsey passing the pipe around:p:D~

...wait....what?

daniellaaarisen

11-04-2009, 07:19 PM

...wait....what?

Ditto. Deleted footage? What? Where? How?

CADreaming

11-04-2009, 08:12 PM

From my understanding, John and Mick had been helping Lindsey with a solo album and by the time the band decided to make a record under Fleetwood Mac, most of Lindsey's tracks were already done.

Regardless of how it all "morphed", they were planning on doing an album in 5 years. So, I'm not always convinced Lindsey's solo work is hijacked for the Mac. I think he's just always working on stuff and they probably make a "corporate" decision as to what works better for the band. I think that's also how Stevie's stuff gets picked. She gave Lindsey 17 songs to review while she was on tour and I guess he chose the ones he felt most comfortable working with.

CADreaming

11-04-2009, 08:13 PM

Ditto. Deleted footage? What? Where? How?

Supposedly there was 500 hours of footage. I think that's poppycock but if it's not, then somebody has got dirt we would love to see...

jenniferuk

11-04-2009, 08:22 PM

...wait....what?

Have a looksy at this...post 15. I can remember seeing the slowed down footage at some point--not sure if that was posted here or not.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=37093&highlight=destiny+rules+pipe

Edited to say here is the thread with the slo mo clip

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=39105&highlight=lindsey+smoke&page=3

jbrownsjr

11-04-2009, 08:52 PM

Did they play the actual doc or are you talking about the All Access?

The doc is definitely better and more detailed than All Access.

Do you mean the DVD?

hippilil86

11-04-2009, 09:11 PM

Have a looksy at this...post 15. I can remember seeing the slowed down footage at some point--not sure if that was posted here or not.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=37093&highlight=destiny+rules+pipe

Edited to say here is the thread with the slo mo clip

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=39105&highlight=lindsey+smoke&page=3

Holy crap. And there's Lindsey smoking.

CADreaming

11-04-2009, 09:15 PM

Do you mean the DVD?

No, All Access was a program that VH-1 aired in promo of SYW.

Destiny Rules is the dvd doc, that I guess VH-1 aired too.

gypsy4life

11-04-2009, 09:18 PM

I really do love Destiny Rules. I cry at the end every single time I watch it, while Lindsey and Stevie hold hands and walk on stage together... I always feel ridiculous when I get that sappy over it, but its just so heartwarming to see after watching the rest of the documentary.

So true! I am the EXACT same way.

jenniferuk

11-04-2009, 09:34 PM

Holy crap. And there's Lindsey smoking.

One big reason I love this site & the ledgies is that I never would have picked up on a detail like that one...but there he is smoking!

Nico

11-04-2009, 10:07 PM

I totally found that LB-lighting-up/sucking-back thing on my own, though. I got the Destiny Rules doc like not too long after becoming a member here and it was basically the only thing I had of FM, aside from that boring-a$$ Rumours vid where they're all talking about the album (love the album, get bored by videos/interviews of them going on and on about it), and the brilliance that is The Dance.

Anyway, I happened to be watching it again for the *cough*millionth*cough second time or so and noticed the sped-up parts and fooled around with the slow-mo and there was LB totally partaking. It was quite refreshing seeing him in is element, since I had no doubts in my mind he was high as a kite in so many pics/footage...just visual reiteration.

(Thank goodness his kids weren't in the room or anything.)

GODDESS6

11-04-2009, 11:00 PM

LukeA

11-04-2009, 11:51 PM

So, can anyone (who has seen both the VH1 broadcast & the DVD) please answer my question?

michelej1

11-04-2009, 11:58 PM

I mean the documentary. VH1 aired "Destiny Rules", but I have no idea just how condensed/edited-for-TV it was (if it even was at all)

The All Access thing did have footage that didn't end up on the documentary. There's at least that one segment I recall where Stevie is telling Lindsey she knew he wouldn't like her song. So, it did have extra stuff not on the dvd.

As for the formal "Destiny Rules" that appeared on tv, that's the same as the dvd.

Michele

belladonnadream

11-05-2009, 06:33 AM

I love this documentary too! I was surprised it was so good cause I didn't think it would be when I found it at the record show and bought it.

Aussie W/Heart

11-05-2009, 07:42 AM

I bought the dvd today $10 WHAT A BARGIN, I love it!!! although I can see myself watching it over & over 100 times, now I will go watch it in slow motion, I would love to see the other 400 hrs of footage..

Josh2003

11-05-2009, 07:52 AM

So, can anyone (who has seen both the VH1 broadcast & the DVD) please answer my question?

As far as I know, Luke, the footage is the same. I don't remember much about the initial broadcast, but I don't seem to remember the DVD being promoted/marketed as containing "new" material.

CADreaming

11-05-2009, 08:10 AM

The All Access thing did have footage that didn't end up on the documentary. There's at least that one segment I recall where Stevie is telling Lindsey she knew he wouldn't like her song. So, it did have extra stuff not on the dvd.

As for the formal "Destiny Rules" that appeared on tv, that's the same as the dvd.

Michele

All Access had a lot of other stuff. I recall it was set up as interviews. Stevie was showing off her wardrobe, Lindsey was sitting in a trailer talking about the finished product, etc. It was all mixed in with old footage though, and a few backstage SYW snippets that weren't in DR. I believe Lindsey telling Mick about the flowers Christine sent was in All Access.

Speaking of extra footage - the SYW cd had a few clips - Stevie is recording and Lindsey asks her if everything sounds ok. She says, "Um, it could use more echo..." and then she adds coyly, "that's always going to be my answer, you know that..." Cute.

jenniferuk

11-05-2009, 08:16 AM

so did you guys find the pipe passing clip?~ there was a ledgie on here, who i liked, but i think was banned along time ago, lux, i swear she posted the deleted footage of the pipe passing oh here, but it was awhile ago & i might be mistaken who posted it~ but lindsey sure ain't smoking a ciggy~

man i bet f mac has the best weed:eek::lol:~

I found one of the old threads with the 'pipe clip' and added it to my post above. Here it is--it's not deleted footage but slowed down footage.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=39105&highlight=lindsey+smoke&page=3

hippilil86

11-05-2009, 11:47 AM

doesn't the 'all access' clip also have Stevie saying "of course you don't like it Lindsey, because I wrote it!" ?

BellaDonna93

11-05-2009, 12:17 PM

TrueFaith77

11-05-2009, 12:19 PM

doesn't the 'all access' clip also have Stevie saying "of course you don't like it Lindsey, because I wrote it!" ?

Yes, which is where I have to disagree with Michelej1's reading of this moment. I don't think Stevie is accusing Lindsey of not liking the song, but, rather, not liking that the song provide the title for the album -- because it would make the album a Stevie thing. Lindsey says something like: "of course you knew i wouldn't like it" and then clarified, I think, by saying something like: "it's not that it's your song, it just doesn't have the right feel to it" as a title for the album (The irony is that, to me, Gift of Screws and Say You Will are the perfect titles for this album).

LukeA

11-05-2009, 12:41 PM

As far as I know, Luke, the footage is the same. I don't remember much about the initial broadcast, but I don't seem to remember the DVD being promoted/marketed as containing "new" material.

Thank you. Its been so long that I probably wouldn't even remember what would be "new" or not anyways. :shrug: I should pick the DVD up!

CADreaming

11-05-2009, 06:16 PM

Yes, which is where I have to disagree with Michelej1's reading of this moment. I don't think Stevie is accusing Lindsey of not liking the song, but, rather, not liking that the song provide the title for the album -- because it would make the album a Stevie thing. Lindsey says something like: "of course you knew i wouldn't like it" and then clarified, I think, by saying something like: "it's not that it's your song, it just doesn't have the right feel to it" as a title for the album (The irony is that, to me, Gift of Screws and Say You Will are the perfect titles for this album).

That whole discussion was sorta funny when Stevie told LB she knew he wouldn't like it and he kinda laughed and said, "Well, of course you did!" Then she just bluntly said, "Well think of something else then." LOL. The look on her face. Typical...

vivfox

11-05-2009, 08:45 PM

(The irony is that, to me, Gift of Screws and Say You Will are the perfect titles for this album).
I am a huge SN fan but I always felt the title of the album should have been STEAL YOUR HEART AWAY.

CADreaming

11-05-2009, 09:11 PM

I am a huge SN fan but I always felt the title of the album should have been STEAL YOUR HEART AWAY.

Well, if I would choose, it would be "What's the World Coming To" :laugh:

But, since we're on the subject, the only other album to use a song title as the album title is Tango in the Night - and Lindsey freaking left - maybe that's what the big fight was all about!!!!! :lol::lol:
Can you see it? Stevie runs across the room to choke him over the title being his song and so years later pay back is her song gets to be the title. LOL!

Amlyn

11-05-2009, 09:20 PM

Well, if I would choose, it would be "What's the World Coming To" :laugh:

But, since we're on the subject, the only other album to use a song title as the album title is Tango in the Night - and Lindsey freaking left - maybe that's what the big fight was all about!!!!! :lol::lol:
Can you see it? Stevie runs across the room to choke him over the title being his song and so years later pay back is her song gets to be the title. LOL!

Um...Tusk.... :)

CADreaming

11-05-2009, 09:31 PM

Um...Tusk.... :)

Crap. I kept thinking and thinking.... long day... :rolleyes:

Amlyn

11-05-2009, 09:51 PM

Crap. I kept thinking and thinking.... long day... :rolleyes:

That's ok. I see where you were trying to go.

daniellaaarisen

11-06-2009, 12:39 AM

Um...Tusk.... :)

Hey! Tusk held up its own set of controversies :)

michelej1

11-06-2009, 09:43 AM

Speaking of extra footage - the SYW cd had a few clips - Stevie is recording and Lindsey asks her if everything sounds ok. She says, "Um, it could use more echo..." and then she adds coyly, "that's always going to be my answer, you know that..." Cute.

Yes, you know it's so inconvenient to "watch" a CD that I think it's been 5 years since I've seen that stuff.

Michele

michelej1

11-06-2009, 09:44 AM

Yes, which is where I have to disagree with Michelej1's reading of this moment. I don't think Stevie is accusing Lindsey of not liking the song, but, rather, not liking that the song provide the title for the album -- because it would make the album a Stevie thing. Lindsey says something like: "of course you knew i wouldn't like it" and then clarified, I think, by saying something like: "it's not that it's your song, it just doesn't have the right feel to it" as a title for the album (The irony is that, to me, Gift of Screws and Say You Will are the perfect titles for this album).

I don't remember hearing them say album title in that discussion, but if they were that puts it in a different light.

Michele

TrueFaith77

11-06-2009, 09:56 AM

Yes, you know it's so inconvenient to "watch" a CD that I think it's been 5 years since I've seen that stuff.

Michele

i havent figured out how to see it! :laugh:

michelej1

11-06-2009, 10:12 AM

i havent figured out how to see it! :laugh:

Your computer should play it for you. Michele

ILoveFM

11-06-2009, 02:29 PM

I watched 'Destiny Rules' today for like the 20th time. I really love this documentary. I think Stevie is just so pretty and she's really funny. John cracks me up as well. Lindsey is hot as usual, but I love watching him do his thing with producing and singing as well as playing the guitar. I love the interaction between him and Stevie throughout this film!. Mick is crazy and loving with everyone. Every time I watch it, it makes me love this band even more.

- When Stevie comes in with the spirt catcher and John lights his cigarette, I just burst out laughing. You can just seem him thinking out loud about how weird Stevie can be :)

- I love Stevie's smile and laugh. She seemed to enjoyed herself, which she says she didn't now, but I call bs. She seemed genuinely happy to be there. Her voice is also great during this. I love her singing 'Thrown Down'. Such a good song.

- When Stevie and Lindsey are running through 'Goodbye Baby', I always shed a tear. That song is so moving to me, and the way she looks over at him while she's singing it melts my heart. I love that scene.

- The fight over 'Thrown Down' is so funny. "It's the just the poet that I am" while Lindsey rolls his eyes hahaha.

- I love when all four of them are being interviewed towards the end, but they are focusing on John and Mick interrupts him and John gets mad. It's quite amusing.

- I love the ending and the way they choose to end it. It's makes me remember when the lights went out right before they came out on stage in Atlanta. It makes me so excited to see them again... Hopefully :)

Overall, such a good documentary. If you haven't seen it, you must!

ILoveFM

11-06-2009, 02:45 PM

One more thing I noticed, when they start rehearsals they show a huge board with what seems to be the set-list and over to the far right there are songs which seem to me were cut, like Red Rover, Illume, and I think I saw Storms. Did anyone else see this or notice this while watching it?

holidayroad

11-06-2009, 03:45 PM

- I love the ending and the way they choose to end it. It's makes me remember when the lights went out right before they came out on stage in Atlanta. It makes me so excited to see them again... Hopefully :)

Did you see them in June 2003 in Atlanta at Phillips Arena? I was at that concert!:)

ILoveFM

11-06-2009, 03:55 PM

Did you see them in June 2003 in Atlanta at Phillips Arena? I was at that concert!:)

No I wasn't :(

I went to see them April 28th at Phillips. It was the best day of my life! Where you there?

holidayroad

11-06-2009, 03:58 PM

No I wasn't :(

I went to see them April 28th at Phillips. It was the best day of my life! Where you there?

Had to miss that one because of no reliable transportation (I'm about 100 miles from Atlanta) The sad part was that my mom was coming to visit two days later- with a very reliable new rental car!!:(

ILoveFM

11-06-2009, 04:34 PM

Had to miss that one because of no reliable transportation (I'm about 100 miles from Atlanta) The sad part was that my mom was coming to visit two days later- with a very reliable new rental car!!:(

What part of Georgia do you live in, or do you live in Georgia at all?

I'm sad you missed the show. It was so amazing. I'm only sad that I wasn't able to meet any members of the band, bit at least I was able to give Stevie a poster I made!

jbrownsjr

11-06-2009, 04:49 PM

No, All Access was a program that VH-1 aired in promo of SYW.

Destiny Rules is the dvd doc, that I guess VH-1 aired too.

Which one shows them fighting more?

samthrax

11-06-2009, 08:57 PM

My random favorite parts of the documentary is the "it's just the poet that I am" line and Stevie bringing the singing fish to the house. She is such a trip.

I liked seeing them make the album and the interaction between all four of them but I usually fast forward through the part when they're talking to the record company guy. I don't know why but I can't stand that part.

CADreaming

11-06-2009, 11:20 PM

Which one shows them fighting more?

There's only two "fights". The one is DR is a little longer, simply because it starts with Karen's discussion with Lindsey and Stevie trying to take up for Karen. The actual fight (edited) to a minute or less.

The All Access clip was very brief too and it was the only "fight" in it. It amounted to a sentence or two apiece with Mick sitting there looking like he'd rather be somewhere else. LOL.

CADreaming

11-06-2009, 11:23 PM

I liked seeing them make the album and the interaction between all four of them but I usually fast forward through the part when they're talking to the record company guy. I don't know why but I can't stand that part.

The part that cracks me up about this segment - at the end Stevie pats the guy on the arm and says, "go take a little rest" ... this is after she has explained to Lindsey that they shouldn't play them the entire gamut of new material and overwhelm them. Then, obviously, it ends up that they do - even though she tried her best to control that by starting the meeting with, "Linds, why don't you just play them my 3 songs". LOL. Can't blame a girl for trying.

StreetAngel86

12-07-2009, 06:33 AM

CADreaming

12-07-2009, 07:44 AM

i just pulled out my SYW cd pack
and tried it
and i dont remember ever being able to watch the "extras"

i get the lil shockwave thing with the pic of them all in the studio and the add your email to get updates thing. then the weblinks to GET EXTRAS...and clicking on it brings up a blank page :laugh:

when i put the 2nd cd in...i have 6 mpg movies :blob2: ... what (if anything) is on the actual SYW cd?

It's cool. It wasn't a lot but it does have Stevie recording and Lindsey asking her if it was ok and she said, "um it could use more echo...that's always going to be my answer - you know that." Cute. I think it may have also had the "title" fight too but I can't remember.

holidayroad

12-07-2009, 11:53 AM

What part of Georgia do you live in, or do you live in Georgia at all?

I'm sad you missed the show. It was so amazing. I'm only sad that I wasn't able to meet any members of the band, bit at least I was able to give Stevie a poster I made!

I did live in NW Georgia (near Rome), now I'm about 45 minutes away in NE Alabama.

WarmSir3

12-07-2009, 12:25 PM

BellaDonna93

12-07-2009, 01:09 PM

Might get this if I see it anywhere! On the album title debate, it should have been Destiny Rules, then the DVD could have been... Murrow Turning Over In His Grave!

Do they explain what possessed them to use that awful, awful kazoo line in Peacekeeper? :distress:

No, actually they don't in the dvd...lol....but I wonder the same. Do you want to know a funny thing? When you're watching the Live In Boston dvd and they play Peacekeeper, it looks like it's Mick saying that kazoo line, lmao!!! Because he opens his mouth and it really looks like it's him singing :laugh::laugh::laugh:
My sister thought, seriously, that it WAS he and she just "Hahahahaha, is it Mick who's saying that werid sound???" and I just "LMAO, no!!!!!!" But I didn't know it was a kazoo until you said that...lol :thumbsup: