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HejiraNYC
10-18-2009, 01:16 PM
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Sunday October 18,2009
IN A frank interview, the Fleetwood Mac star tells CHARLOTTE HEATHCOTE about sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll and how, despite being battered by all three, she's emerged stronger than ever.
Fleetwood Mac are as famed for their in-fighting, feuds and messy, almost incestuous inter-band romances as for Go Your Own Way, Don’t Stop, Everywhere, The Chain and countless other adult-oriented rock songs that have seen them shift more than 100million records.
Stevie Nicks, however, makes absolutely no attempt to put a shiny PR gloss on the legendary tensions.
“We did our first tour and we were p***** off with each other then. We made another record [Rumours] and we were all angry with each other afterwards. We did Tusk and that was 13 months of anger. We did an 18-month tour and by the time that was done everyone was really not speaking...”
She’s half-weary, half-wry. “It’s really nothing new. It’s been happening since time began but if this was a bland, boring band we’d definitely not still be together.”
Stevie and her then-boyfriend Lindsey Buckingham brought a stability of sorts to the shape-shifting line-up of Fleetwood Mac in 1975, joining Mick Fleetwood, John and Christine McVie.
Christine left 11 years ago, ground down by relentless touring, and Stevie misses her ally “every day”.
The other four remain a unit, on the whole, which is especially miraculous when you consider that Stevie and Buckingham’s six-year relationship foundered during the recording of the drug-fuelled Rumours in 1976 (the McVies were splitting at the same time) and, shortly after the Rumours tour, Stevie fell for Fleetwood. They separated for the sake of the band.
By the time of Fleetwood Mac’s last tour, 2003’s Say You Will, Stevie’s relationship with Buckingham had become so fraught that, unless he treated her better this time around, she threatened to walk away “so fast that palm tree tops will fall on his head”.
Now, she says the underlying problem was how much she hated the Say You Will album.
“It was five years ago now so I can say I didn’t like it at all; I didn’t like making it, I didn’t like the songs, so that tour was very hard for me.”
On a Greatest Hits tour, however, there is no new material to quibble over.
“Doing all the very famous material is actually more fun,” insists this born entertainer. “It’s been a breath of fresh air for us to not have to worry about trying to sell [new] songs.”
With five platinum-selling solo records to her name, Stevie is easily the most successful member of Fleetwood Mac. Wasn’t she tempted to walk away during Say You Will?
“Well, I’m a peacemaker and I didn’t want us to break up because the music didn’t go my way. If I’ve learned nothing else in my 61 years it is that four years down the line you’re over it.” She sees the remaining foursome touring for another seven or eight years.
“I’m a performer and an entertainer, that’s what I live for. I would be dancing on tables in bars if I wasn’t in Fleetwood Mac, doing small shows all over the world, driving my van.”
Stevie’s passion for entertaining runs so deep, however, that she admits she has sacrificed all of her romantic relationships for the band but with no regrets.
“My love affair is with my work. I’ve had many wonderful relationships but I could never give up what I do for a relationship; in all of my relationships, at some point, that [prioritising] came up.
“Am I sad about the fact that I don’t have a relationship? No. I’m going to Europe to stay in the best hotels, to play huge shows, playing my music, to meet lots of interesting people. So I really don’t care.”
To Stevie’s amusement, her 81-year-old mother reckons she still hasn’t met Mr Right. She’s all too happy for her mother to be proved right but, to date, the love of her life is a member of the Eagles and not the one you’d expect.
After her split with Buckingham she spent 18 months with Don Henley but, of his bandmate Joe Walsh, she says: “He was the great love of my life. I fell in love with Joe in the same way that Lindsey fell in love with me.”
As their cocaine addiction spiralled out of control in the early Eighties, though, Walsh reluctantly left her for both of their sakes. Now she muses: “Maybe the people you can live best with aren’t the great love of your life; the men you love deeply, the calmer, more loving, more solid people but who you weren’t super passionately crazy in love with. The ones to marry aren’t the ones as crazy as you are.”
Her romance with Walsh was not the only fall-out of her drug addiction. Cocaine has left a hole in her septum, leaving her wishing her generation had not been told that cocaine was “safe, recreational and not a bigger deal than smoking pot or cigarettes”.
A bigger regret is that, after successful treatment for cocaine addiction, her friends persuaded her to see a psychiatrist, hoping this would ensure she avoided a relapse. The doctor prescribed the tranquilliser Klonopin.
“That took eight years out of my life,” she says.
“Those were my prime years, my 40s, when a lot of my heavy, creative activity was really happening. Klonopin grabbed hold of you and made you sit down on your couch and not get up.
“I just watched TV for eight years in a daze. I’m sorry I didn’t have a car crash on the way to seeing that doctor.”
So when Stevie finally got herself back on track, she needed to make up for lost time. “I made a decision a long time ago to follow my artistry. I decided that my mission here on this earth was to write songs for people and make them happy.”
● The UK leg of Fleetwood Mac’s Unleashed tour starts on Thursday and the double CD The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac is out tomorrow.
After her split with Buckingham she spent 18 months with Don Henley but, of his bandmate Joe Walsh, she says: “He was the great love of my life. I fell in love with Joe in the same way that Lindsey fell in love with me.”
More times than less I pretty much chalk up Stevie's comments to her just being Stevie-ish, but when she says things like this there is an air of arrogance that I just don't like about her. It's enough to hear her criticize and complain about an album/tour that she seemed to have a completely different story about AT THE TIME, but now she has to bring LB into something that's her biz and rub his nose in it. Whatevs. I'd feel the same way about him if he did that, or anyone...I just dislike it.
But other than that, she is totally entitled to her opinion of the SYW album. I'll be honest, none of her songs-save three- move me and I've hated Peacekeeper since I heard Lindsey's original version. But I do love the rest and I guess those who went to see FM on the SYW tour can tell me whether it was any good.
Perhaps if I didn't read the same ol' thing all the time it would be much easier to swallow. I really like Stevie and think she's capable of so much more than rehashing her past horrors over and over...I'd even prefer a song-by-song explanation to this.
vivfox
10-18-2009, 02:15 PM
“Doing all the very famous material is actually more fun,” insists this born entertainer. “It’s been a breath of fresh air for us to not have to worry about trying to sell [new] songs.”
You've always been afraid to perform new songs on all the tours from 1982 & beyond.
“I’m a performer and an entertainer, that’s what I live for. I would be dancing on tables in bars if I wasn’t in Fleetwood Mac, doing small shows all over the world, driving my van.”
What are you, a fortune teller? If you were a second grade schoolteacher where would you find the time to travel the world? Also as miss famous Stevie Nicks you've barely made a dent outside the uSA in you solo touring career.
“Am I sad about the fact that I don’t have a relationship? No. I’m going to Europe to stay in the best hotels, to play huge shows, playing my music, to meet lots of interesting people. So I really don’t care.”
What you are saying here is really a bunch of crap.(In your own words)
To Stevie’s amusement, her 81-year-old mother reckons she still hasn’t met Mr Right. She’s all too happy for her mother to be proved right but, to date, the love of her life is a member of the Eagles and not the one you’d expect.
Lindsey was the love of your life. If it was Joe you'd be talking about him non stop and filling our ears with a ton of songs about him.
Her romance with Walsh was not the only fall-out of her drug addiction. Cocaine has left a hole in her septum, leaving her wishing her generation had not been told that cocaine was “safe, recreational and not a bigger deal than smoking pot or cigarettes”.
Who the hell is she kidding? I grew up in the 60's and 70's and I knew cocaine and cigarettes were dangerous for you. Everyone except FM knew.
Klonopin.
“That took eight years out of my life,” she says.
You should have stopped taking them after a few months if they weren't working for you.
“Those were my prime years, my 40s, when a lot of my heavy, creative activity was really happening. Klonopin grabbed hold of you and made you sit down on your couch and not get up.
How do you know they were creative. Let's hear the proof?
“I just watched TV for eight years in a daze. I’m sorry I didn’t have a car crash on the way to seeing that doctor.”
Again miss fortune teller, how do you know you would have survived the accident? And who wishes they'd get in a car accident anyway?:rolleyes:
So when Stevie finally got herself back on track, she needed to make up for lost time. “I made a decision a long time ago to follow my artistry. I decided that my mission here on this earth was to write songs for people and make them happy.”
It would make me very happy if you would finally release all these new songs you constantly talk about writing and then perfom most of them, not just one or two.
Thank you for posting this article. I had fun making fun of all her silly contradictions!
Dreams unwind, love's a state of mind.
TrueFaith77
10-18-2009, 02:21 PM
Now, she says the underlying problem was how much she hated the Say You Will album.
“It was five years ago now so I can say I didn’t like it at all; I didn’t like making it, I didn’t like the songs, so that tour was very hard for me.”
This upsets me so much. SYW is the best American album of the 00s. Stevie's songs are, by far, her best collection of songs since Tusk.
I understand the album was, ultimately, compromised, and I am glad she's being honest (if she is being honest) but I don't think it gives the album its due. Kinda like Elvis Costello always badmouthing the very interesting (sometimes SUBLIME) Goodbye Cruel World -- especially since it was his last good album. sheesh.
michelej1
10-18-2009, 02:22 PM
“Well, I’m a peacemaker and I didn’t want us to break up because the music didn’t go my way.
Now, I realize that Lindsey wrote Peacekeeper about her.
More times than less I pretty much chalk up Stevie's comments to her just being Stevie-ish, but when she says things like this there is an air of arrogance that I just don't like about her. It's enough to hear her criticize and complain about an album/tour that she seemed to have a completely different story about AT THE TIME, but now she has to bring LB into something that's her biz and rub his nose in it. Whatevs. I'd feel the same way about him if he did that, or anyone...I just dislike it.
Ah well. Lindsey obviously loved her very deeply and has never gotten over her. He cannot stop talking about her and has struggled to find a life for himself without her. It's very sad that she never reciprocated his feelings. How it must have hurt him to see her move on with Joe Walsh, when he never could:rolleyes:.
Michele
CADreaming
10-18-2009, 02:25 PM
“Doing all the very famous material is actually more fun,” insists this born entertainer. “It’s been a breath of fresh air for us to not have to worry about trying to sell [new] songs.”
You've always been afraid to perform new songs from 1982 & beyond.
“I’m a performer and an entertainer, that’s what I live for. I would be dancing on tables in bars if I wasn’t in Fleetwood Mac, doing small shows all over the world, driving my van.”
What are you, a fortune teller? If you were a second grade schoolteacher where would you find the time to travel the world. Also as miss famous Stevie Nicks you've barely made a dent outside the uSA in you solo touring career.
“Am I sad about the fact that I don’t have a relationship? No. I’m going to Europe to stay in the best hotels, to play huge shows, playing my music, to meet lots of interesting people. So I really don’t care.”
What you are saying here is really a bunch of crap.(In your own words)
To Stevie’s amusement, her 81-year-old mother reckons she still hasn’t met Mr Right. She’s all too happy for her mother to be proved right but, to date, the love of her life is a member of the Eagles and not the one you’d expect.
Lindsey was the love of your life. If it was Joe you'd be talking about him non stop and filling our ears with a ton of songs about him.
Her romance with Walsh was not the only fall-out of her drug addiction. Cocaine has left a hole in her septum, leaving her wishing her generation had not been told that cocaine was “safe, recreational and not a bigger deal than smoking pot or cigarettes”.
Who the hell is she kidding? I grew up in the 60's and 70's and I knew cocaine and cigarettes were dangerous for you. Everyone except FM knew.
Klonopin.
“That took eight years out of my life,” she says.
You should have stopped taking them after a few months if they weren't working for you.
“Those were my prime years, my 40s, when a lot of my heavy, creative activity was really happening. Klonopin grabbed hold of you and made you sit down on your couch and not get up.
How do you know they were creative. Let's hear the proof?
“I just watched TV for eight years in a daze. I’m sorry I didn’t have a car crash on the way to seeing that doctor.”
Again miss fortune teller, how do you know you would have survived the accident? And who wishes they'd get in a car accident anyway?
So when Stevie finally got herself back on track, she needed to make up for lost time. “I made a decision a long time ago to follow my artistry. I decided that my mission here on this earth was to write songs for people and make them happy.”
It would make me very happy if you would finally release all these new songs you constantly talk about writing and then perfom most of them, not just one or two.
Thank you for posting this article. I had fun making fun of all her silly contradictions!
Dreams unwind, love's a state of mind.
I love you. :thumbsup:
By the way, if I have to read that mess about Joe Walsh one more time I will puke. Seriously, someone needs to stop these "interviews" - there's no point to them and she just ends up looking more and more ridiculous.
I love you. :thumbsup:
By the way, if I have to read that mess about Joe Walsh one more time I will puke. Seriously, someone needs to stop these "interviews" - there's no point to them and she just ends up looking more and more ridiculous.
I think they should just STOP doing interviews altogether. I can't take Stevie's anymore because she sounds like a bitter old hag half the time, and Lindsey sounds like his brain is hooked up to a robotic device and he's simply repeating whatever has been programmed, over and over again.
Maybe John can become their spokesperson. Imagine how short all the new articles would be. All that time...preserved. I could take up a new hobby.
starshine
10-18-2009, 02:29 PM
More times than less I pretty much chalk up Stevie's comments to her just being Stevie-ish, but when she says things like this there is an air of arrogance that I just don't like about her. It's enough to hear her criticize and complain about an album/tour that she seemed to have a completely different story about AT THE TIME, but now she has to bring LB into something that's her biz and rub his nose in it. Whatevs. I'd feel the same way about him if he did that, or anyone...I just dislike it.
But other than that, she is totally entitled to her opinion of the SYW album. I'll be honest, none of her songs-save three- move me and I've hated Peacekeeper since I heard Lindsey's original version. But I do love the rest and I guess those who went to see FM on the SYW tour can tell me whether it was any good.
Perhaps if I didn't read the same ol' thing all the time it would be much easier to swallow. I really like Stevie and think she's capable of so much more than rehashing her past horrors over and over...I'd even prefer a song-by-song explanation to this.You make some great points. I'm just tired of hearing all the 'same' crap from Stevie. Ok so you don't like this & you don't like that.....whatever.....the drama is so old anymore. To the point I really don't care. She just sounds like she's whinning all the time. If you don't like it get out.....but of course she wouldn't cause the $$ is all good right now. Thats the bottom line not the music or making anything new or heck releasing anything old......I think that works just too hard anymore or its what she really doesn't want to do or so it seems.....anyway, that IMO.....no offence. I still like Stevie but the 'record' that she keeps playing in these interviews is so old.......she be better off not doing an interview........anyway........it is what it is.......:shrug::nod:
michelej1
10-18-2009, 02:30 PM
I love you. :thumbsup:
By the way, if I have to read that mess about Joe Walsh one more time I will puke. Seriously, someone needs to stop these "interviews" - there's no point to them and she just ends up looking more and more ridiculous.
Also, Lindsey is not stupid enough or humble enough to believe her when she says stuff like that. So, it's not like hearing this would cut him to the quick, as I'm sure she hopes it will.
I'm sure she did love Joe Walsh madly, but at this point in time, I don't think he's the one man she never got over.
Michele
CADreaming
10-18-2009, 02:40 PM
Also, Lindsey is not stupid enough or humble enough to believe her when she says stuff like that. So, it's not like hearing this would cut him to the quick, as I'm sure she hopes it will.
I'm sure she did love Joe Walsh madly, but at this point in time, I don't think he's the one man she never got over.
Michele
Exactly. Which is part of why she sounds so ridiculous!
You're right about Lindsey though. I'm sure he snickers if he ever reads it or gets wind of it... (like when she calls him on the phone and quotes it to him verbatim) ... ;)
I'm sure she did love Joe Walsh madly, but at this point in time, I don't think he's the one man she never got over.
Michele
:thumbsup::nod: Could not be summed up better. That, ladies and gentlemen, is the story in one clear sentence.
michelej1
10-18-2009, 02:44 PM
Exactly. Which is part of why she sounds so ridiculous!
You're right about Lindsey though. I'm sure he snickers if he ever reads it or gets wind of it... (like when she calls him on the phone and quotes it to him verbatim) ... ;)
This makes me think of that thread we had talking about whether Mick and Stevie went to Lindsey together to tell him about their affair. Can you just see them knocking on his door and explaining, then when he didn't break down in tears, Stevie decides to act it out for him. "I never wanted you to know, but then I reached up to Mick like this . . . " demonstrating with one eye on Mick and the other eye gauging Lindsey's response.
Michele
CADreaming
10-18-2009, 02:46 PM
This makes me think of that thread we had talking about whether Mick and Stevie went to Lindsey together to tell him about their affair. Can you just see them knocking on his door and explaining, then when he didn't break down in tears, Stevie decides to act it out for him. "I never wanted you to know, but then I reached up to Mick like this . . . " demonstrating with one eye on Mick and the other eye gauging Lindsey's response.
Michele
:lol: :lol: And, then Lindsey went for the razor...
This makes me think of that thread we had talking about whether Mick and Stevie went to Lindsey together to tell him about their affair. Can you just see them knocking on his door and explaining, then when he didn't break down in tears, Stevie decides to act it out for him. "I never wanted you to know, but then I reached up to Mick like this . . . " demonstrating with one eye on Mick and the other eye gauging Lindsey's response.
Michele
I just love how, during whatever interview, she could be talking about the yearly precipitation in Arizona, the economic downfall in this past year alone, the resurgence of distressed denim on everyone, no matter what LINDSEY BUCKINGHAM always ends up becoming part of the topic of conversation. "Oh, when Lindsey and I were in Arizona..." or "Lindsey hasn't been hit as hard as us with this economic situation because he's frugal..." or "Speaking of distressed denim, I'm remembering when I used to sew things on Lindsey's jeans..."
I mean, if the man disgusts you that much WHY is he always brought up. I avoid people I can't stand. But people I love...I can't stop thinking/talking/dreaming about them. I'm sure if I was a songwriter, well...;)
michelej1
10-18-2009, 03:01 PM
I just love how, during whatever interview, she could be talking about the yearly precipitation in Arizona, the economic downfall in this past year alone, the resurgence of distressed denim on everyone, no matter what LINDSEY BUCKINGHAM always ends up becoming part of the topic of conversation. "Oh, when Lindsey and I were in Arizona..." or "Lindsey hasn't been hit as hard as us with this economic situation because he's frugal..." or "Speaking of distressed denim, I'm remembering when I used to sew things on Lindsey's jeans..."
You're absolutely right. Lindsey and I never would have done drugs, if we hadn't come to Los Angeles. Lindsey and I invested our money. She always speaks in terms of being paired with him and they were only a couple for a short period of time. I mean, they've known each other for over 40 years now, but they were living together for less than 20% of that time. So, there's no reason to talk about him the way she does.
Michele
GypsyBlueEyes
10-18-2009, 03:04 PM
I feel sort of bad that she doesn't like the SYW album...I actually really do like it and it sort of sucks to know that she dislikes it so much :( She's never seemed like someone who would sell out and compromise that much, so why did she go through with it and have her name attached to it forever if she didn't like it? She's always seemed way to stubborn to do that.
And, I know there are probably many Eagles fans here and I hope they don't get offended by my saying this...but I would be very happy to never hear her mention any of the Eagles ever again! I really don't like them, either as a group or as her romantic partners. Just the fact that she always says that Joe Walsh was the love of her (drug fueled) life gives me a headache. Hasn't she heard some of the stuff he has allegedly said about her??? I just absolutely refuse, refuse, to believe he was the love of her life. :sorry: *random rant over*
But, as always, I still love ya Stevie :angel:
daniellaaarisen
10-18-2009, 03:05 PM
The interesting aspects of this article are overshadowed by how nauseating it is as a whole.
TrueFaith77
10-18-2009, 03:12 PM
I feel sort of bad that she doesn't like the SYW album...I actually really do like it and it sort of sucks to know that she dislikes it so much :( She's never seemed like someone who would sell out and compromise that much, so why did she go through with it and have her name attached to it forever if she didn't like it? She's always seemed way to stubborn to do that.
And, I know there are probably many Eagles fans here and I hope they don't get offended by my saying this...but I would be very happy to never hear her mention any of the Eagles ever again! I really don't like them, either as a group or as her romantic partners. Just the fact that she always says that Joe Walsh was the love of her (drug fueled) life gives me a headache. Hasn't she heard some of the stuff he has allegedly said about her??? I just absolutely refuse, refuse, to believe he was the love of her life. :sorry: *random rant over*
But, as always, I still love ya Stevie :angel:
I agree with both points. But re: SYW: I'm sorry. Stevie's taste sucks. Her taste in collaborators and producers outside of Lindsey have been sub-par. And the result has been subpar music -- subpar music that Lindsey could have made great because, lyrically, much of it was wondrous.
And I'm not being anti-Stevie. Pro-Lindsey. Stevie always brought out the best in Lindsey also. Everytime I listen to Under the Skin and Gift of Screws I imagine what we lost by her not being included in those songs and not having songs of her own to compliment them on the albums.
In decades of lost opportunities, Say You Will is a shining beacon.
I agree with both points. But re: SYW: I'm sorry. Stevie's taste sucks. Her taste in collaborators and producers outside of Lindsey have been sub-par. And the result has been subpar music -- subpar music that Lindsey could have made great because, lyrically, much of it was wondrous.
And I'm not being anti-Stevie. Pro-Lindsey. Stevie always brought out the best in Lindsey also. Everytime I listen to Under the Skin and Gift of Screws I imagine what we lost by her not being included in those songs and not having songs of her own to compliment them on the albums.
In decades of lost opportunities, Say You Will is a shining beacon.
TrueFaith, you are so right in what you say of SYW. I do love that album and I'm proud to say it. I'm proud enough to wear a "SYW IS AWESOME AND WHAT YOU GOTTA SAY ABOUT THAT" shirt in front of Stevie Nicks if I so feel it because it is really the album that cemented them in my heart as a current band as opposed to an oldies band with great classic songs.
And it was Lindsey's incredible performances during the SYW shows that made me really, really into them. I will always love the album and, yes, prefer Lindsey's songs on there to Stevie's- but hers aren't crap. I listened to all of her solo albums and there are songs on those that I would probably use that word with over some of her SYW stuff. She is unnecessarily harsh towards LB re: his work on that album and I'm shocked not because it isn't fair, but more because I haven't heard much better from her own stuff.
vivfox
10-18-2009, 03:34 PM
I feel sort of bad that she doesn't like the SYW album...I actually really do like it and it sort of sucks to know that she dislikes it so much :( She's never seemed like someone who would sell out and compromise that much, so why did she go through with it and have her name attached to it forever if she didn't like it? She's always seemed way to stubborn to do that.
Don't worry. Stevie has always been one to jump on the bandwagon of what is popular in the moment.
She ranked on the Tusk album forever until 2003 when the critics raved it was the best album FM had ever done, then all the sudden she was a huge fan of Tusk.
She raved about the Dixie Chicks until Natalie Maines' big fiasco. Then when the Dixie Chicks became cool again Stevie told the press how great they were, but during their time of turmoil she never defended her friend.
Ten years from now if the critics rave about Say You Will Stevie will say it contains their best work of the 21st Century. Just wait, you'll see.
Regina
10-18-2009, 03:54 PM
Don't worry. Stevie has always been one to jump on the bandwagon of what is popular in the moment.
She ranked on the Tusk album forever until 2003 when the critics raved it was the best album FM had ever done, then all the sudden she was a huge fan of Tusk.
She raved about the Dixie Chicks until Natalie Maines' big fiasco. Then when the Dixie Chicks became cool again Stevie told the press how great they were, but during their time of turmoil she never defended her friend.
Ten years from now if the critics rave about Say You Will Stevie will say it contains their best work of the 21st Century. Just wait, you'll see.
I actually was thinking the same thing. Someday soon--she will LOVE SYW and the tour and Lindsey and all that jazz.
I agree with whoever said (too lazy to look it up) they should stop the interviews. Stevie's are infuriating (to me) and Lindsey sounds like a pompous windbag.
Of course, no one asks them about anything new. But, Lord, I hate hearing about Rumours by now. Hate the drug talk. The Cocaine talk. The hole in the nose talk. The cycles talk. Blech on all of it.
Say You Will was awful! Terrible! Torture to tour in support of it! But they did tour--for two years. And made a lot of people very happy doing so. I've said this before but I really loved the tour. And I do consider it somewhat of a slap in the face of the fans to hear this stuff now. Because there was a major difference between this tour and the ones before. They were selling this whole "reconciliation" stuff for all it was worth and now they (well, actually, Stevie) is yanking it back.
I still love her. Think she's nutty as a bedbug at times. But, the interviews--especially in print--annoy the hell out of me.
And someone--please inform her about the things Joe Walsh has said about her. That should put an immediate restraining order on her comments about him.
trackaghost
10-18-2009, 03:54 PM
Don't worry. Stevie has always been one to jump on the bandwagon of what is popular in the moment.
She ranked on the Tusk album forever until 2003 when the critics raved it was the best album FM had ever done, then all the sudden she was a huge fan of Tusk.
She raved about the Dixie Chicks until Natalie Maines' big fiasco. Then when the Dixie Chicks became cool again Stevie told the press how great they were, but during their time of turmoil she never defended her friend.
Ten years from now if the critics rave about Say You Will Stevie will say it contains their best work of the 21st Century. Just wait, you'll see.
Viv, that was exactly what I was going to say! For years she hated Tusk until it became cool to like and critically acclaimed and then suddenly it was like her great lost album and she started performing songs from it.
SYW is a fantastic album and I've no doubt that a few years down the line people will start saying it was the unappreciated comeback album and then Stevie will suddenly start saying she likes it again.
I think Joe Walsh was the love of her life because she couldn't have him. He dumped Stevie Nicks for goodness sakes...and now forever and ever Stevie will let Joe know he will never get away from the sound of a women that loves you. (Yes I'm aware that lyric is not about him, felt it would be fitting here though!). But Stevie will always have Lindsey in one way or another and can say whatever she wants about Lindsey and their past and the hypothetical babies they would have had. I can imagine how Ms. Kristen felt when Stevie started blabing on stage about how bad she wanted to sing in Paris and the "lovely Lindsey said..." Ha Ha. Lindsey would definitely be sleeping on the couch if he didn't give robot answers in interviews.
vermicious knid
10-18-2009, 04:37 PM
From 2003:
''There was plenty of drama, plenty of arguments, things we really had to hash out,'' Nicks says. ``But that's what makes a great record. If everything went blissfully smooth it would be a blissfully boring record.''
"I think my material on this album is some of my best material ever. And I think that Lindsay's material is his best material ever. So I feel that whatever it was that made us reform, there was a real reason for it. And maybe it was all this material that needed to come out."
http://rockalittle.com/fleetwoodmac_articles_2003.htm
GypsyBlueEyes
10-18-2009, 04:56 PM
I really don't understand the point of interviewing them separately! I do hate that they are asked the same questions all the time...and I think that a lot of interviews are probably edited down to what the individual paper/magazine thinks will sell the most...and I think that a lot of answers to questions are recycled from other interviews...so those three things put together are a large part of why we keep getting all the same information. The only way we would ever be able to get a really great interview is if the we are the ones to do it. People who are only mildly interested in FM are only going to ask about the more infamous FM trivia whereas we want to know about so much more than that and we have the knowledge to call them on BS answers :nod:
Can't you just see it...put them all in one room and just go for it: "Lindsey, I don't want to hear the word 'cycle' in this interview and you are NOT allowed to say 'that this has always been a band of contradictions' - you're going to have to dig a lot deeper than that" and "Stevie, if you're going to either wax poetic about your relationship with Lindsey or throw daggers at him, you better be willing to do so right in front of him so that we can finally get to the bottom of this mess of a relationship" and "you are not allowed to talk about cocaine or Klonopin unless I ask about it!"
Once all the ground rules are set, we would be able to go much deeper than just the stuff we've been getting. Anyway, that's my idea of how the interview should go :thumbsup:
I really don't understand the point of interviewing them separately! I do hate that they are asked the same questions all the time...and I think that a lot of interviews are probably edited down to what the individual paper/magazine thinks will sell the most...and I think that a lot of answers to questions are recycled from other interviews...so those three things put together are a large part of why we keep getting all the same information. The only way we would ever be able to get a really great interview is if the we are the ones to do it. People who are only mildly interested in FM are only going to ask about the more infamous FM trivia whereas we want to know about so much more than that and we have the knowledge to call them on BS answers :nod:
Can't you just see it...put them all in one room and just go for it: "Lindsey, I don't want to hear the word 'cycle' in this interview and you are NOT allowed to say 'that this has always been a band of contradictions' - you're going to have to dig a lot deeper than that" and "Stevie, if you're going to either wax poetic about your relationship with Lindsey or throw daggers at him, you better be willing to do so right in front of him so that we can finally get to the bottom of this mess of a relationship" and "you are not allowed to talk about cocaine or Klonopin unless I ask about it!"
Once all the ground rules are set, we would be able to go much deeper than just the stuff we've been getting. Anyway, that's my idea of how the interview should go :thumbsup:
This is great stuff. Lindsey should not be allowed to say "convoluted" either. That boy might have to get himself a new thesaurus.
~GoldDustWoman~
10-18-2009, 05:10 PM
What bad things did Don say about Stevie? The only thing i know of is the thing about her getting an abortion.
What bad things did Don say about Stevie? The only thing i know of is the thing about her getting an abortion.
Not Don, Joe Walsh. He called her a road f*ck on Howard Stern. However, he wasn't sober when he said it, so maybe he's apologized to her at some point. Otherwise, I can't understand why Stevie would wax so poetic about him.
I think we've all said the same things about these articles for so long we've developed our own cycle! AAAHHHH!!!!!
P.S. Did anyone see SNL last night? They had Bill Hader dressed up as Lindsey on a talk show, but he never got to speak. The clothes were dead on, leather jacket, jeans, boots, and orange Hanes shirt. I wish he would have had a speaking part. I was pretty surprised, how random. I apologize if this has been mentioned somewhere else already,
daniellaaarisen
10-18-2009, 05:25 PM
I think Joe Walsh was the love of her life because she couldn't have him.
Amen. Mama ain't so used to that and I'm sure it was quite jarring for the reigning queen of rock n' roll ;)
jbrownsjr
10-18-2009, 05:26 PM
I honestly now really understand why Christine left. It's because you had to be drunk and all coked up to deal with these people. She probably sobered up and couldn't deal with them. They sound like morons in these interviews and I get annoyed just reading them. Imagine touring a whole year listening to these two...
We loved Say You Will, we hate Say You Will, I'm not touring ever again without Christine, I'll tour without Christine. We got along really well during SYW, all we did was fight during SYW. Sheryl Crow is joining the band, Sheryl Crow isn't joining the band. We have eight more years in us, I don't have enough time to eat a meal and I'm exhausted.
Bottom line... WE NEED YOUR MONEY!!
GypsyBlueEyes
10-18-2009, 05:40 PM
I just don't think anyone who was constantly drugged out on cocaine to the point of overdosing would be in their right mind to know whether or not someone was the love of their life. I think that if she were able to go back and see herself and her relationship with him, chances are she would walk away with a completely different perspective.
ragrsrocalot
10-18-2009, 06:01 PM
So glad that she is planning to tour 7 or 8 more years with the Mac.
RockALittle250
10-18-2009, 06:14 PM
With reports that Fleetwood Mac are planning a new record in January of 2010, touring for another 7 to 8 years, and hopefully putting out another record in between that, I am more and more convinced that Stevie is doing exactly what Gwen Stefani is doing, and that is, leaving her solo career behind.
daniellaaarisen
10-18-2009, 06:16 PM
With reports that Fleetwood Mac are planning a new record in January of 2010, touring for another 7 to 8 years, and hopefully putting out another record in between that, I am more and more convinced that Stevie is doing exactly what Gwen Stefani is doing, and that is, leaving her solo career behind.
I was thinking the same thing.... I think she might feel that Fleetwood Mac is the more urgent issue right now because things are always shaking there. But with her solo career, that is hers and only hers so she can go back to it whenever she wants. I don't necessarily like that thought process but it makes sense.
~GoldDustWoman~
10-18-2009, 07:18 PM
Awww, I'd like to see both but I agree I don't want to not see another Stevie solo album.
TrueFaith77
10-18-2009, 07:22 PM
With reports that Fleetwood Mac are planning a new record in January of 2010, touring for another 7 to 8 years, and hopefully putting out another record in between that, I am more and more convinced that Stevie is doing exactly what Gwen Stefani is doing, and that is, leaving her solo career behind.
It's about time! :lol:
Perhaps the lackluster sales of Soundstage Sessions have made this decision for her... and for Lindsey post-UTS, -LATBPH, and -GOS.
P.S. Did anyone see SNL last night? They had Bill Hader dressed up as Lindsey on a talk show, but he never got to speak. The clothes were dead on, leather jacket, jeans, boots, and orange Hanes shirt. I wish he would have had a speaking part. I was pretty surprised, how random. I apologize if this has been mentioned somewhere else already,
Hate to say this, but there was no speaking part for a reason. Think about it. Poor Lindsey has developed a reputation with those speeches of his. No one wants to hear them, not even in fun.:lol:
I just don't think anyone who was constantly drugged out on cocaine to the point of overdosing would be in their right mind to know whether or not someone was the love of their life. I think that if she were able to go back and see herself and her relationship with him, chances are she would walk away with a completely different perspective.
I think she says that "love of your life" crap so Lindsey doesn't think she's still pining over his happily-married ass. She'd be singing a different tune if it were a different circumstance, I guarantee- that is, she'd either be bitching about his "darkness" or saying how amazing he was. Either/or or just simultaneously, but Joe Walsh would be a mere speck.
And my boyfriend is now telling me he heard this particular Joe Walsh interview and it was really disturbing how little Joe seemed to care for SN. Now that's just wrong. I know I've done my Stevie bitching at length today, but what rudeness after how much she apparently adored him.:mad:
CADreaming
10-18-2009, 07:51 PM
I think she says that "love of your life" crap so Lindsey doesn't think she's still pining over his happily-married ass. She'd be singing a different tune if it were a different circumstance, I guarantee- that is, she'd either be bitching about his "darkness" or saying how amazing he was. Either/or or just simultaneously, but Joe Walsh would be a mere speck.
And my boyfriend is now telling me he heard this particular Joe Walsh interview and it was really disturbing how little Joe seemed to care for SN. Now that's just wrong. I know I've done my Stevie bitching at length today, but what rudeness after how much she apparently adored him.:mad:
I hope it's some kind of inside joke. Like, she and Joe really hate each other's guts and so she tongue in cheek says, "Oh, Joe Walsh? Yeah - love of my life - uhhuh." And rolls her eyes. :lol:
I hope it's some kind of inside joke. Like, she and Joe really hate each other's guts and so she tongue in cheek says, "Oh, Joe Walsh? Yeah - love of my life - uhhuh." And rolls her eyes. :lol:
Hmmm...nah, I think she kinda digs him for real. And he appears to care less unfortunately.:shrug:
(But look, if you asked me...idratherhavelindseybuckingham"stillinlove"withmethanthatfuglycreatureanyday,eventhoughjoewalshisagreatmusicianandihaveallhisalbums)
CADreaming
10-18-2009, 07:58 PM
Hmmm...nah, I think she kinda digs him for real. And he appears to care less unfortunately.:shrug:
(But look, if you asked me...idratherhavelindseybuckingham"stillinlove"withmethanthatfuglycreatureanyday,eventhoughjoewalshisagreatmusicianandihaveallhisalbums)
:lol::lol::lol::lol:
That's all I'm sayin'. Plus, I think Walsh is a pig. God help her if she really feels that way.
APerfectLie
10-18-2009, 08:11 PM
I can honestly see Fleetwood Mac doing another album, but I don't see them touring for another 7-8 years. I've learned not to hold my breath when it comes to what Stevie says. I mean hell, she has been saying she is going to release a book in a "few years" for the past 25 years! And in an interview earlier this year she said after she is done with whatever Fleetwood Mac is doing, she is going to make a new solo record because she feels she needs too. But the main reason I just don't see her dedicating the next 7-8 years solely to Fleetwood Mac is because she cannot stand Lindsey. In the 60 minutes interview they did a few months back, when asked about Lindsey she said, "Well he's not my best friend, and he never will be." So you can see he is already getting on her nerves like usual. I think if Fleetwood Mac decide to do a new album, she will tour for the record, but I think after that she will want to go back and do another solo record before working on another FM album. The last time Stevie did 2 FM albums with nothing solo in between was during Rumours and Tusk. And since Christine isn't around, I really don't see Stevie leaving her solo career alone so she can go spend the next 8 years dancing across the stages of the world with Fleetwood Mac. If anything, she will take a break from both her solo work and FM.
LikeAWillow
10-18-2009, 08:17 PM
I think she says that "love of your life" crap so Lindsey doesn't think she's still pining over his happily-married ass. She'd be singing a different tune if it were a different circumstance, I guarantee- that is, she'd either be bitching about his "darkness" or saying how amazing he was. Either/or or just simultaneously, but Joe Walsh would be a mere speck.
Bingo. For all her talk of his undying love for her, his life and marriage seem perfectly stable, while her bitterness grows each year. How many times have we heard that it was always a competition between them? She needs something (or someone) to show us that as happy as he looks, she's still winning.
michelej1
10-18-2009, 08:17 PM
Stevie does not like to be idle. So, she and FM may work together for 7-8 more years, but it won't be consistently. If there is any down time, you can bet that she will squeeze a solo tour in.
But as for her ever doing another solo album? Maybe not. I'm positive there will be more solo tours from her though. Michele
mgikallaroundme
10-18-2009, 08:31 PM
I honestly now really understand why Christine left. It's because you had to be drunk and all coked up to deal with these people. She probably sobered up and couldn't deal with them. They sound like morons in these interviews and I get annoyed just reading them. Imagine touring a whole year listening to these two...
We loved Say You Will, we hate Say You Will, I'm not touring ever again without Christine, I'll tour without Christine. We got along really well during SYW, all we did was fight during SYW. Sheryl Crow is joining the band, Sheryl Crow isn't joining the band. We have eight more years in us, I don't have enough time to eat a meal and I'm exhausted.
:lol: ROTFLMFAOPIMP!!!!
Bottom line... WE NEED YOUR MONEY!!
:nod:
StreetAngel86
10-18-2009, 09:04 PM
“I’m a performer and an entertainer, that’s what I live for. I would be dancing on tables in bars if I wasn’t in Fleetwood Mac, doing small shows all over the world, driving my van.”
:lol:
Stevie is my favorite person to read interviews from EVER!
she comes up with the craziest one liners and statements like this :laugh:
that SYW stuff is crap
i think she only sees the negative aspects and not the fun side of it
like her only memories of making it are fighting with lindsey over the tracklisting and the double album and the END of the tour
well what about all the inbetween stuff
there were lotsa happy Stevie smiles on that tour :P
Bingo. For all her talk of his undying love for her, his life and marriage seem perfectly stable, while her bitterness grows each year. How many times have we heard that it was always a competition between them? She needs something (or someone) to show us that as happy as he looks, she's still winning.
i think Stevie is maybe kinda jealous he has that [seemingly] stable life [wife.kids etc] and she doesnt. that competition comment is soooooo true. if i cant have lindsey, well no1 can have lindsey and i certainly aint gonna let him be happy without me. you NEEEEEEEEED me lindsey :p
i think she goes around saying she hates him and will never be friends with him to hide her real feelings. she cant exactly go around saying she still loves him and wishes she was his wife and blah blah blah Lindsey would prob holla a "Sucked in baby, you left ME" at her OR Mrs Buck would be NOT impressed with Mama and Lindsey would get it all and it would come back on Stevie :lol:
I honestly now really understand why Christine left. It's because you had to be drunk and all coked up to deal with these people. She probably sobered up and couldn't deal with them. They sound like morons in these interviews and I get annoyed just reading them. Imagine touring a whole year listening to these two...
We loved Say You Will, we hate Say You Will, I'm not touring ever again without Christine, I'll tour without Christine. We got along really well during SYW, all we did was fight during SYW. Sheryl Crow is joining the band, Sheryl Crow isn't joining the band. We have eight more years in us, I don't have enough time to eat a meal and I'm exhausted.
Bottom line... WE NEED YOUR MONEY!!
lol....great assessment, I've had the same thought myself. I could just imagine Chris sitting there, listening to this crap, giving a slight glance in John's direction while rolling her eyes about these two. The older they get, Lindsey takes 500 words to get across one point and Stevie is basically just bitchy all the time. It would be refreshing to just hear:
LB: You know, she's a bitch, I don't really even like her, but we need each other to be successful (i.e. make money).
SN: Yeah, he's a real asshole, he's been mean to me forever, but we need each other to be successful (i.e. make money).
CADreaming
10-18-2009, 09:49 PM
lol....great assessment, I've had the same thought myself. I could just imagine Chris sitting there, listening to this crap, giving a slight glance in John's direction while rolling her eyes about these two. The older they get, Lindsey takes 500 words to get across one point and Stevie is basically just bitchy all the time. It would be refreshing to just hear:
LB: You know, she's a bitch, I don't really even like her, but we need each other to be successful (i.e. make money).
SN: Yeah, he's a real asshole, he's been mean to me forever, but we need each other to be successful (i.e. make money).
I agree with you to an extent. But, they don't need each other to be successful.
I agree with you to an extent. But, they don't need each other to be successful.
Agreed, but look at what I put in parenthesis, that's what they need each other for. I was being somewhat facetious in reference to what they seemingly equate success with (money). Lindsey and Stevie can do all the solo albums and tours that they want, but in 2009 and beyond, the REAL money is in Fleetwood Mac and they each know it.
Kayt1234
10-18-2009, 09:56 PM
Ugh, I sometimes wish Stevie would stop, take a breath and THINK about how she words things. I honestly don't think she means to be condescening or arrogant or ANYTHING...I think she really doesn't word her thoughts correctly (which is so ironic seeing what a great writer is). I think when she said that about Lindsey, I really believe that she meant it positively. That a wonderful thing ABOUT him was how he loved her.
As for the whole Joe Walsh thing *rolls eyes*. I think we've all been in situations where we look back on something that wasn't so wonderful but remembered the good things. I do it all the time with certain ex-boyfriends. Then, you remember. I obviously know nothing about any of the private moments between Stevie and Joe but I do know that he treated her terribly. Some of the things he said about her, the way he constantly abandoned her...everything. And yes, we can say he was on drugs and was messed up- She was messed up herself. Still, the fact is he did treat her that way and it really does break my heart that she holds him on that pedestal.
and maybe it's just me but...I love Say You Will. I really do!
daniellaaarisen
10-18-2009, 09:57 PM
But if it was ALL hate, this band would've been over quite long ago.
michelej1
10-18-2009, 10:19 PM
Ugh, I sometimes wish Stevie would stop, take a breath and THINK about how she words things. I honestly don't think she means to be condescening or arrogant or ANYTHING...I think she really doesn't word her thoughts correctly (which is so ironic seeing what a great writer is). I think when she said that about Lindsey, I really believe that she meant it positively. That a wonderful thing ABOUT him was how he loved her.
I think she meant it that way and that the message is not only that Lindsey loved her that much, but that she never loved him as much in return. I think that's the impression that she wants to leave, although I don't think it's a reflection of what she really feels.
And it's not that this behavior is one-sided on her part. Lindsey has done it too. I mean, he was the one saying that Stevie and Mick were in cahoots to get him to stand closer to her on stage and play up their star crossed love and -- true or not -- I think he would only say that to be petty. And I know I think he was doing a Rolling Stone interview in the eighties and Stevie called him on the phone and he said something to the writer about her longing for his approval. I mean, I think she DOES want his approval. She is the one who said that she hoped he was finally just a little bit proud of her when she did the TISL album. So, I don't think what he said was untrue, but I do think he said it to be mean.
So, he says things to needle her just the same way she does it to him. The only difference is, Lindsey's behavior in that regard, his propensity to take jabs at her through the media, has improved and become a lot less frequent over the years. Hers hasn't. I'm not saying he's not being just as childish with her in private as she is, but he's not doing it overtly in public as much as she is.
Michele
Amlyn
10-18-2009, 10:45 PM
As their cocaine addiction spiralled out of control in the early Eighties, though, Walsh reluctantly left her for both of their sakes. Now she muses: “Maybe the people you can live best with aren’t the great love of your life; the men you love deeply, the calmer, more loving, more solid people but who you weren’t super passionately crazy in love with. The ones to marry aren’t the ones as crazy as you are.”
Ok, help me out. What point is she trying to get across with this quote? Is she talking about Joe or Lindsey here? Both perhaps? Not that I'm surprised but the whole thing seems to be a contradiction within itself. Anyone care to try to intepret this Steviespeak?
I also wonder if the author just pulled the "Joe is the great love of my life" stuff from older interviews just to try to tie it to this quote which appears to be more recent given the phrasing.
daniellaaarisen
10-18-2009, 10:51 PM
I also wonder if the author just pulled the "Joe is the great love of my life" stuff from older interviews just to try to tie it to this quote which appears to be more recent given the phrasing.
I hope so. Whatever portion of my faith in her that was lost because of this interview will be partially restored.
Amlyn
10-18-2009, 11:05 PM
I hope so. Whatever portion of my faith in her that was lost because of this interview will be partially restored.
Well on the upside, to my knowledge, we have only a few articles with this reference.
michelej1
10-18-2009, 11:14 PM
Ok, help me out. What point is she trying to get across with this quote? Is she talking about Joe or Lindsey here? Both perhaps? Not that I'm surprised but the whole thing seems to be a contradiction within itself. Anyone care to try to intepret this Steviespeak?
I don't think she's talking about Joe or Lindsey there. She says things were always volatile with Lindsey and they were with Joe too. Both of these men went on to forge long lasting relationships, but with women who were different from them and different from Stevie. I think Stevie is saying maybe that would have been the key for her as well.
So, I think she's talking about Carl the nebbish accountant who really loved her, but whom she just wasn't that into. Maybe she realizes that that's who could have brought her the most happiness. Not the heart-soaring highs and lows, rage and desire, but the day in and day out contentment. The nurturing, "normal" family life. He could have steadied out her rock star urges and with him and his horn-rimmed glasses she could have found peace and balance. But it was never to be.
Michele
Amlyn
10-18-2009, 11:27 PM
I don't think she's talking about Joe or Lindsey there. She says things were always volatile with Lindsey and they were with Joe too. Both of these men went on to forge long lasting relationships, but with women who were different from them and different from Stevie. I think Stevie is saying maybe that would have been the key for her as well.
So, I think she's talking about Carl the nebbish accountant who really loved her, but whom she just wasn't that into. Maybe she realizes that that's who could have brought her the most happiness. Not the heart-soaring highs and lows, rage and desire, but the day in and day out contentment. The nurturing, "normal" family life. He could have steadied out her rock star urges and with him and his horn-rimmed glasses she could have found peace and balance. But it was never to be.
Michele
Well, in some ways that's a relief. Otherwise the only songs we'd ever have had from her would have been about 1099s and feeling neglected during tax season.
But seriously, now that you put the comment into that context for me, I can see how it is relevant.
Nikolaj
10-19-2009, 02:09 AM
" I didn't like the songs" is the quote that's staying with me, some 8 hours after having read the article. She didn't say "I didn't like my songs"- I have a feeling she did like her songs, 'Silver Girl' and all. Yet, she didn't come out and say "I didn't like Lindsey's songs on SYW" but I think that may be closer to the truth.
Regarding some of the comments here about 'Tusk'- it was as early as 1986 when Stevie said that she did like the album. The famous Australian interview- with Molly somebody (a guy) and she said something like "I liked that album a lot and even liked Lindsey's songs on it a lot, which is what most of the criticism was about"-- she also commented she thought it was an album that could take a long time for people to 'get' but that eventually, in their quiet, alone, time, there'd be a lot of people who would really appreciate 'Tusk' and she was glad they made the album. Stevie then sang a smidge of 'Walk A Thin Line'- one song of LB's that I totally love (there are others) and it would be heaven to hear her do the song completely.
michelej1
10-19-2009, 02:45 AM
" I didn't like the songs" is the quote that's staying with me, some 8 hours after having read the article. She didn't say "I didn't like my songs"- I have a feeling she did like her songs, 'Silver Girl' and all. Yet, she didn't come out and say "I didn't like Lindsey's songs on SYW" but I think that may be closer to the truth.
Regarding some of the comments here about 'Tusk'- it was as early as 1986 when Stevie said that she did like the album. The famous Australian interview- with Molly somebody (a guy) and she said something like "I liked that album a lot and even liked Lindsey's songs on it a lot, which is what most of the criticism was about"-- she also commented she thought it was an album that could take a long time for people to 'get' but that eventually, in their quiet, alone, time, there'd be a lot of people who would really appreciate 'Tusk' and she was glad they made the album. Stevie then sang a smidge of 'Walk A Thin Line'- one song of LB's that I totally love (there are others) and it would be heaven to hear her do the song completely.
I think Stevie liked her songs, but think that someone else could have done a better job with them. I mean, we all love Thrown Down, but I think she thinks it could have been better. Then, there are songs like Smile at You where many people say her demos were better. She probably thinks they were too.
I think she probably was unhappy with the album all along. I wouldn't say she looks proud as punch in Destiny Rules. In fact, I'd say that she probably heard what he did with her old songs, while she was on tour, didn't like it and that's why she wrote 4 new songs at breakneck speed. But even though Lindsey bears the brunt of all of her unhappiness with SYW, probably he's only really responsible for a part of it.
I do remember Stevie saying when Tusk came out that she liked Walk a Thin Line, when asked to name one of Lindsey's songs that she liked on the album. Then of course we have the reference in the Mirror, Mirror lyrics. I really like that. Michele
BellaDonna93
10-19-2009, 03:48 AM
With reports that Fleetwood Mac are planning a new record in January of 2010, touring for another 7 to 8 years, and hopefully putting out another record in between that, I am more and more convinced that Stevie is doing exactly what Gwen Stefani is doing, and that is, leaving her solo career behind.
I hope this is Stevie speaking the truth about Fleetwood Mac touring 7-8 years more and do more albums:blob2: :blob1:BUT I sooooo hope this isn't the end of her solo career!!!! :( :(
CADreaming
10-19-2009, 07:27 AM
So, I think she's talking about Carl the nebbish accountant who really loved her, but whom she just wasn't that into. Maybe she realizes that that's who could have brought her the most happiness. Not the heart-soaring highs and lows, rage and desire, but the day in and day out contentment. The nurturing, "normal" family life. He could have steadied out her rock star urges and with him and his horn-rimmed glasses she could have found peace and balance. But it was never to be.
Michele
:laugh::laugh: Alas, Destiny does Rule.
I think Stevie liked her songs, but think that someone else could have done a better job with them. I mean, we all love Thrown Down, but I think she thinks it could have been better. Then, there are songs like Smile at You where many people say her demos were better. She probably thinks they were too.
I think she probably was unhappy with the album all along. I wouldn't say she looks proud as punch in Destiny Rules. In fact, I'd say that she probably heard what he did with her old songs, while she was on tour, didn't like it and that's why she wrote 4 new songs at breakneck speed. But even though Lindsey bears the brunt of all of her unhappiness with SYW, probably he's only really responsible for a part of it.
Since when does she think someone else could have done a better job with her songs? This part just baffles me. I mean, Petty says he thinks LB is her best producer...she was falling all over herself wanting LB to work with her again...so why does she feel this way about the SYW songs? I am having a hard time justifying this line of thinking. Are we saying that Lindsey's "lost his touch" - or just with her songs?
Am I the only person who likes SYW?? :lol:
Bryan
10-19-2009, 07:43 AM
Hmm,SYW. I loved it when it was out,for the time it was out and that was that. I can't even listen to it now,it's just a very odd sounding record.:confused:
So I can see where she's coming from with that comment..I suppose.
TrueFaith77
10-19-2009, 08:18 AM
:laugh::laugh: Alas, Destiny does Rule.
Since when does she think someone else could have done a better job with her songs? This part just baffles me. I mean, Petty says he thinks LB is her best producer...she was falling all over herself wanting LB to work with her again...so why does she feel this way about the SYW songs? I am having a hard time justifying this line of thinking. Are we saying that Lindsey's "lost his touch" - or just with her songs?
Stevie's solo career is mired in bad, cheesy production. In the past, Lindsey had mastered the pop form that Stevie aped in the 80s albums. Now, Lindsey's approach has evolved. I think that's a good thing (even if it has evolved in ways that I don't personally prefer). As SYW proves, that evolution in sound also benefits Stevie's tracks. Illume, EFO, DR, TD, SYW, RTTG are thrilling productions (even if they all start the same :laugh:) -- while the much-maligned GB, SAY, and Silver Girl could hardly have been better. GB is a beautiful closer to the album; its production serves the album -- and I admire the metronome! Also, SAY really isn't much of a song, though its dramatic situation is utterly compelling, but Lindsey turns it into a sonic adventure -- it's as great as it could be, really. I, too, would love to hear that song performed live, more "unleashed" -- but as a studio track, this is what they do. As a solo recording artist, she's never more raw, just cheesier. As for Silver Girl -- the only good thing about that is FM's participation (bye bye flute) and its contextualization on the album: SAY, RTTG, and Silver Girl forming a kind of trilogy of Stevie's maturation at the album's midpoint.
Am I the only person who likes SYW?? :lol:
I love SYW! I should start a poll...
HejiraNYC
10-19-2009, 09:50 AM
Stevie's solo career is mired in bad, cheesy production. In the past, Lindsey had mastered the pop form that Stevie aped in the 80s albums.
I don't know how you can say something like that without looking at all pop music in context. Face it: the 1980's was cheesy (especially 1984-onward). And in that vein, Rock a Little was an artifact of its time, whereas Wild Heart and Bella Donna were less so. And I don't know how you could possibly state that Stevie aped Lindsey when she was the first FM member to embrace that modern 80's sound in 1985. If anything, Lindsey was the one who aped Stevie with TITN in 1987. And TOSTM doesn't sound a thing like TITN- if anything in some ways it just picked up where RAL left off.
Now, Lindsey's approach has evolved. I think that's a good thing (even if it has evolved in ways that I don't personally prefer). As SYW proves, that evolution in sound also benefits Stevie's tracks.
Yes, Lindsey's approach has evolved... but in his case, I don't think evolution is necessarily a good thing. He has been on a musical journey, surely. But I think his style has become a bit too heavy-handed and forced. What I loved about albums like Rumours and Tusk was that they were rough yet effortlessly polished at the same time. And even when a song was very heavily produced, e.g., "Sara" or "You Make Loving Fun," there was something very warm and organic about it. In recent efforts, it seems like Lindsey was just digging through his electronic bag of tricks and trying to use every effect he can throw at a song. For me, the results are not "cutting edge" as much as they are cold and mechanical. Rather than complementing the songs, his production tends to overpower the songs. Yes, one could argue that perhaps the material on an album like SYW was so weak that it needed a lot of heavy-handed production. But on songs like "Smile at You," which was pretty great to begin with, I think he could have dialed back the vocoders and Pro Tools a notch and employed a simpler, sparser sonic field. Not to say that it was all bad- I think the production on "Destiny Rules" was perfect, as well as "Thrown Down." But two or three good songs out of ten (Stevie) songs is not a good batting average.
Black_Moon
10-19-2009, 10:29 AM
I think the material on Say You Will is a lot better than what most people are giving it credit for. Sure, I disagree with some of the production approaches -- particularly on the likes of Smile at You and Silver Girl (the latter of which I hate anyway, but the production makes it worse).
I think Stevie had some amazing songs on the album though, the likes of Illume, Running Through The Garden, Destiny Rules, Thrown Down and Everybody Finds Out (which I also find slightly over-produced but still love).
JazmenFlowers
10-19-2009, 10:40 AM
But on songs like "Smile at You," which was pretty great to begin with, I think he could have dialed back the vocoders and Pro Tools a notch and employed a simpler, sparser sonic field. Not to say that it was all bad- I think the production on "Destiny Rules" was perfect, as well as "Thrown Down." But two or three good songs out of ten (Stevie) songs is not a good batting average.
agreed!
I think the material on Say You Will is a lot better than what most people are giving it credit for. Sure, I disagree with some of the production approaches -- particularly on the likes of Smile at You and Silver Girl (the latter of which I hate anyway, but the production makes it worse).
I think Stevie had some amazing songs on the album though, the likes of Illume, Running Through The Garden, Destiny Rules, Thrown Down and Everybody Finds Out (which I also find slightly over-produced but still love).
I love Silver Girl so much and it always kills me that so many hate it. oh well. otherwise, I totally agree with what you're saying.
with respect to the article, I decided a long time ago to read Stevie's interviews very lightly and not put too much stock into them. she seems to say things depending on her mood - you can't ever trust what she predicts will happen and her feelings totally change on everything from marriage to kids to songs to men, etc. it is what it is. you gotta kinda take each interview separate and apart. it sucks, but being that Stevie has never really lived in the real world (despite what she'd have us believe) she's totally out of touch and can't hear how stupid some of her comments are. at least she does give us fabulous zingers in each and every one!
TrueFaith77
10-19-2009, 10:46 AM
I don't know how you can say something like that without looking at all pop music in context. Face it: the 1980's was cheesy (especially 1984-onward). And in that vein, Rock a Little was an artifact of its time, whereas Wild Heart and Bella Donna were less so.
I could name 100s of non-cheesy 80s albums; I just don't know if Stevie heard any of them.
And I don't know how you could possibly state that Stevie aped Lindsey when she was the first FM member to embrace that modern 80's sound in 1985. If anything, Lindsey was the one who aped Stevie with TITN in 1987. And TOSTM doesn't sound a thing like TITN- if anything in some ways it just picked up where RAL left off.
Yes, Stevie incorporated new technology for a more commercial sound; I just think that her approach to songcraft was meant to ape Lindsey's pop sheen on Rumours. THE RESULT: bland. IF Lindsey brought in 80s accoutrement for TITN in order to capitalize on expectations of Stevie's sound, then I would say: he did it better for her than anyone else had.
Yes, Lindsey's approach has evolved... but in his case, I don't think evolution is necessarily a good thing. He has been on a musical journey, surely. But I think his style has become a bit too heavy-handed and forced. What I loved about albums like Rumours and Tusk was that they were rough yet effortlessly polished at the same time. And even when a song was very heavily produced, e.g., "Sara" or "You Make Loving Fun," there was something very warm and organic about it. In recent efforts, it seems like Lindsey was just digging through his electronic bag of tricks and trying to use every effect he can throw at a song. For me, the results are not "cutting edge" as much as they are cold and mechanical. Rather than complementing the songs, his production tends to overpower the songs. Yes, one could argue that perhaps the material on an album like SYW was so weak that it needed a lot of heavy-handed production. But on songs like "Smile at You," which was pretty great to begin with, I think he could have dialed back the vocoders and Pro Tools a notch and employed a simpler, sparser sonic field. Not to say that it was all bad- I think the production on "Destiny Rules" was perfect, as well as "Thrown Down." But two or three good songs out of ten (Stevie) songs is not a good batting average.
I agree that Lindsey has lost his warmth in the Rumours sense and in the Tusk sense, too, -- there it's an experimental warmth! That was his peak, I agree, but his new approach is fascinating and impactful and beautiful (to me). And on Stevie's songs, all of which are good-to-great on SYW, I feel he makes them even greater; or, rather, allows them to achieve their full potential in ways she NEVER has as a solo artist.
JazmenFlowers
10-19-2009, 10:48 AM
And on Stevie's songs, all of which are good-to-great on SYW, I feel he makes them even greater; or, rather, allows them to achieve their full potential in ways she NEVER has as a solo artist.
wow, really? really? idk.
TrueFaith77
10-19-2009, 11:07 AM
wow, really? really? idk.
Well, with EO17 being the exception...
HejiraNYC
10-19-2009, 11:13 AM
And on Stevie's songs, all of which are good-to-great on SYW, I feel he makes them even greater; or, rather, allows them to achieve their full potential in ways she NEVER has as a solo artist.
I have to disagree vehemently! I happen to think John Shanks, based on his work on TISL, was by far Stevie's best producer. Yes, his production style is also very heavy, but it is also very sympathetic to the material. Rather than having weird sound effects and gizmos popping up in random places, Shanks created an entirely otherworldly soundscape that was the perfect accompaniment to Stevie's otherworldly vocals and imagery. I think "Planets of the Universe" is a masterpiece in Shanks' hands, especially when you consider that skeletal little piano demo that Stevie recorded in waltz time; I don't think Lindsey would have even begun to know what to do with it. And I believe reading somewhere that "Fall From Grace" had been attempted as a Fleetwood Mac song, but neither Lindsey nor Sheryl were able to do anything with it. I'm not denying that Lindsey has been able to turn coal into diamonds, e.g., "Dreams," but I think his recent work on Stevie's songs were more about Lindsey putting his signature on her songs than about realizing the full potential of the song.
It would be interesting to see what a non-Lindsey-produced FM album would sound like, especially if it is produced by a younger producer who grew up listening to Rumours. It could either be disgustingly, superficially retro or it could be a deconstructed, potent distillation of everything we love about FM.
michelej1
10-19-2009, 11:22 AM
Since when does she think someone else could have done a better job with her songs? This part just baffles me. I mean, Petty says he thinks LB is her best producer...she was falling all over herself wanting LB to work with her again...so why does she feel this way about the SYW songs? I am having a hard time justifying this line of thinking. Are we saying that Lindsey's "lost his touch" - or just with her songs?
Am I the only person who likes SYW?? :lol:
I made a mistake and left off an "s". I meant she thinks, not I think. I was just talking about Stevie's perception. I don't think that some other producer could have done a better job with her songs. I think they all sound great, except for Silver Girl and RTTG and I only really blame the production on RTTG. I think RTTG could have been better, tighter and differentiated. As it is, it's just one monotonous thing.
I think LB did as good of a job on Silver Girl as was possible. In fact, if I think an outside producer was needed on the album, I'd get one to lend an objective ear to Lindsey's songs, not Stevie's.
I am thrilled with the SYW album and love it as a whole, even when it fails in places.
Michele
TrueFaith77
10-19-2009, 11:24 AM
I have to disagree vehemently! I happen to think John Shanks, based on his work on TISL, was by far Stevie's best producer. Yes, his production style is also very heavy, but it is also very sympathetic to the material. Rather than having weird sound effects and gizmos popping up in random places, Shanks created an entirely otherworldly soundscape that was the perfect accompaniment to Stevie's otherworldly vocals and imagery. I think "Planets of the Universe" is a masterpiece in Shanks' hands, especially when you consider that skeletal little piano demo that Stevie recorded in waltz time; I don't think Lindsey would have even begun to know what to do with it. And I believe reading somewhere that "Fall From Grace" had been attempted as a Fleetwood Mac song, but neither Lindsey nor Sheryl were able to do anything with it. I'm not denying that Lindsey has been able to turn coal into diamonds, e.g., "Dreams," but I think his recent work on Stevie's songs were more about Lindsey putting his signature on her songs than about realizing the full potential of the song.
I think TISL is, for the most part, hideous! Though POTU and FFG aren't bad (if not to my taste, exactly). Admittedly, I'd have to take a closer listen at what exactly John Shanks produced as opposed to Sheryl.
I don't know what you mean by sound effects and gizmos :]. . . The strings on EFO? The metronome on GB? The kid chorus on SYW? The sudden tempo shift and enveloping sound on SAY? The Lindsey whispers on RTTG? The drums on Illume? The radical clarity of the cascading guitars on DR and TD? These touches make the songs epic... and work emotionally, expressively in each case.
It would be interesting to see what a non-Lindsey-produced FM album would sound like, especially if it is produced by a younger producer who grew up listening to Rumours. It could either be disgustingly, superficially retro or it could be a deconstructed, potent distillation of everything we love about FM.
Well I think Chris Isaak should produce the next album. Mr. Lucky is the most gorgeous American album since. . .
JeannieKartis
10-19-2009, 11:29 AM
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http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/view/134777
Sunday October 18,2009
IN A frank interview, the Fleetwood Mac star tells CHARLOTTE HEATHCOTE about sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll and how, despite being battered by all three, she's emerged stronger than ever.
Fleetwood Mac are as famed for their in-fighting, feuds and messy, almost incestuous inter-band romances as for Go Your Own Way, Don’t Stop, Everywhere, The Chain and countless other adult-oriented rock songs that have seen them shift more than 100million records.
Stevie Nicks, however, makes absolutely no attempt to put a shiny PR gloss on the legendary tensions.
“We did our first tour and we were p***** off with each other then. We made another record [Rumours] and we were all angry with each other afterwards. We did Tusk and that was 13 months of anger. We did an 18-month tour and by the time that was done everyone was really not speaking...”
She’s half-weary, half-wry. “It’s really nothing new. It’s been happening since time began but if this was a bland, boring band we’d definitely not still be together.”
Stevie and her then-boyfriend Lindsey Buckingham brought a stability of sorts to the shape-shifting line-up of Fleetwood Mac in 1975, joining Mick Fleetwood, John and Christine McVie.
Christine left 11 years ago, ground down by relentless touring, and Stevie misses her ally “every day”.
The other four remain a unit, on the whole, which is especially miraculous when you consider that Stevie and Buckingham’s six-year relationship foundered during the recording of the drug-fuelled Rumours in 1976 (the McVies were splitting at the same time) and, shortly after the Rumours tour, Stevie fell for Fleetwood. They separated for the sake of the band.
By the time of Fleetwood Mac’s last tour, 2003’s Say You Will, Stevie’s relationship with Buckingham had become so fraught that, unless he treated her better this time around, she threatened to walk away “so fast that palm tree tops will fall on his head”.
Now, she says the underlying problem was how much she hated the Say You Will album.
“It was five years ago now so I can say I didn’t like it at all; I didn’t like making it, I didn’t like the songs, so that tour was very hard for me.”
On a Greatest Hits tour, however, there is no new material to quibble over.
“Doing all the very famous material is actually more fun,” insists this born entertainer. “It’s been a breath of fresh air for us to not have to worry about trying to sell [new] songs.”
With five platinum-selling solo records to her name, Stevie is easily the most successful member of Fleetwood Mac. Wasn’t she tempted to walk away during Say You Will?
“Well, I’m a peacemaker and I didn’t want us to break up because the music didn’t go my way. If I’ve learned nothing else in my 61 years it is that four years down the line you’re over it.” She sees the remaining foursome touring for another seven or eight years.
“I’m a performer and an entertainer, that’s what I live for. I would be dancing on tables in bars if I wasn’t in Fleetwood Mac, doing small shows all over the world, driving my van.”
Stevie’s passion for entertaining runs so deep, however, that she admits she has sacrificed all of her romantic relationships for the band but with no regrets.
“My love affair is with my work. I’ve had many wonderful relationships but I could never give up what I do for a relationship; in all of my relationships, at some point, that [prioritising] came up.
“Am I sad about the fact that I don’t have a relationship? No. I’m going to Europe to stay in the best hotels, to play huge shows, playing my music, to meet lots of interesting people. So I really don’t care.”
To Stevie’s amusement, her 81-year-old mother reckons she still hasn’t met Mr Right. She’s all too happy for her mother to be proved right but, to date, the love of her life is a member of the Eagles and not the one you’d expect.
After her split with Buckingham she spent 18 months with Don Henley but, of his bandmate Joe Walsh, she says: “He was the great love of my life. I fell in love with Joe in the same way that Lindsey fell in love with me.”
As their cocaine addiction spiralled out of control in the early Eighties, though, Walsh reluctantly left her for both of their sakes. Now she muses: “Maybe the people you can live best with aren’t the great love of your life; the men you love deeply, the calmer, more loving, more solid people but who you weren’t super passionately crazy in love with. The ones to marry aren’t the ones as crazy as you are.”
Her romance with Walsh was not the only fall-out of her drug addiction. Cocaine has left a hole in her septum, leaving her wishing her generation had not been told that cocaine was “safe, recreational and not a bigger deal than smoking pot or cigarettes”.
A bigger regret is that, after successful treatment for cocaine addiction, her friends persuaded her to see a psychiatrist, hoping this would ensure she avoided a relapse. The doctor prescribed the tranquilliser Klonopin.
“That took eight years out of my life,” she says.
“Those were my prime years, my 40s, when a lot of my heavy, creative activity was really happening. Klonopin grabbed hold of you and made you sit down on your couch and not get up.
“I just watched TV for eight years in a daze. I’m sorry I didn’t have a car crash on the way to seeing that doctor.”
So when Stevie finally got herself back on track, she needed to make up for lost time. “I made a decision a long time ago to follow my artistry. I decided that my mission here on this earth was to write songs for people and make them happy.”
● The UK leg of Fleetwood Mac’s Unleashed tour starts on Thursday and the double CD The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac is out tomorrow.
I honestly did not like Say You Will either......these interviews though are always about the same thing...I guess she has nothing else to talk about...
holidayroad
10-19-2009, 11:32 AM
I really like Say You Will. Maybe it doesn't all fit well together, but it has amazing songs. I have to say that I wish everyone in Fleetwood Mac would learn to 'play well with others' (as they should have learned in first grade) and start treating all of this like what it is---their job!!
michelej1
10-19-2009, 11:34 AM
Well I think Chris Isaak should produce the next album. Mr. Lucky is the most gorgeous American album since. . .
I love Chris Isaak, but shudder! Mr. Lucky just does not do it for me. In fact, while he has songs that I consider masterpieces, I don't think consistent albums as a whole are his specialty. His Best Of though, putting all the good stuff together, that leaves me breathless. He's got a lost, dreamy touch made for crooning. Actually, to me, he might have been better for FM when you had Christine, Lindsey and Stevie together. He could do something with them.
Michele
TrueFaith77
10-19-2009, 11:42 AM
I love Chris Isaak, but shudder! Mr. Lucky just does not do it for me. In fact, while he has songs that I consider masterpieces, I don't think consistent albums as a whole are his specialty. His Best Of though, putting all the good stuff together, that leaves me breathless. He's got a lost, dreamy touch made for crooning. Actually, to me, he might have been better for FM when you had Christine, Lindsey and Stevie together. He could do something with them.
Michele
Interesting. I think Mr. Lucky sounds like a Bryan Ferry album. I can make no higher praise.
wheart
10-19-2009, 12:04 PM
OK, Stevie, you got off klonopin in 94...time to let it go, seriously. LOL
Interesting about her displeasure with the entire SYW album. I didn't realize she felt quite so strongly, especially about not liking the songs. I wonder which songs, hers or Lindsey's. And was it the songs themselves or the way they turned out? Surely she was pleased with the songs she wrote for the project...so perhaps it was the end result that displeased her. She should have been unhappy with some of her vocals on that record...UGH. On any account, this explains the big old puss she had on her face during the first several months of the SYW tour. :lol:
BellaDonna93
10-19-2009, 12:09 PM
I LOVE the Say You Will album, no matter what you think!!!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
gldstwmn
10-19-2009, 01:07 PM
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http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/view/134777
“Maybe the people you can live best with aren’t the great love of your life; the men you love deeply, the calmer, more loving, more solid people but who you weren’t super passionately crazy in love with."
Bull****. In fact, bull**** to this whole interview. I still find it hard to accept that the man she calls the love of her life called her a "road f*ck." Granted, he was drunk but come on. It's time for Mama to get a new schtick. The reason she isn't with Lindsey today is because she kept telling him no. "You could easily wake up with a stranger, it's not something that you planned. One night in a world of pain and you finally understand. Not all the king's horses, not all the kings men could put it back together."
There must be literally thousands of great stories she could tell but instead she decides to stick with the same old crap. And give me a break about hating Say You Will. I think she's still pissed that Sheryl Crow couldn't/wouldn't join the band.
The only illuminating thing about this whole interview is that Babs Nicks doesn't think she's found the love of her life yet.
And for god's sake, will John grant one interview for this tour. Mick can even be there with him. I just want to hear something different that I never knew about this band for once.
michelej1
10-19-2009, 02:25 PM
And for god's sake, will John grant one interview for this tour. Mick can even be there with him. I just want to hear something different that I never knew about this band for once.
Yeah, what do they say to John? Are they ok with him not doing the publicity or are they frustrated, because that's part of the job and he shouldn't be able to opt out of it? Of course, they all like it if the interviews fit into their schedules (as opposed to the old days when Mick would schedule press conferences when they were all dead tired). The other 3 like to talk, so maybe they don't care if he sits out.
John did participate in that one telephone conference they all did. And he said he argued with Stevie over the "Unleashed" title. But that's it.
Michele
HejiraNYC
10-19-2009, 02:38 PM
The reason she isn't with Lindsey today is because she kept telling him no.
Do you really think Lindsey was that obsessed with her? I always found this pairing rather bizarre- Lindsey being the grounded, straight, self-conscious introvert who belabors every detail, whereas Stevie is the oblivious ex-drug-addled extrovert who lives in a parallel, pastel-hued universe. There has been much speculation about what really went down between them during The Dance, but I just find it hard to believe that he would be pining after Stevie's then-50-year-old hey-nanu-nanu :sorry: when he had a hot young wife, as well as limitless potential road options. I just think that so much weirdness has passed between S and L over the years that he is quite over her drama. I'm not saying Mama is completely koo-koo for Cocoa Puffs, but there is a reason why doctors were trying to put her on antidepressants after her Klonopin detox! There is a theory about some drug addicts- that they are merely self-medicating due to an undiagnosed or mistreated underlying mental/physical condition. I do believe in my heart of hearts that Stevie is among the walking wounded, and Lindsey realizes this and keeps his distance accordingly. And it helps to explain why Stevie would give interviews like this...
Spikey
10-19-2009, 02:48 PM
They (SN/LB) keep their distance because for like 30 years they haven't been able to be in the same room, I thought? Weren't they in separate taxi's in the Tusk or Mirage era?
I just think they're two fiery people who are too independent to spend quality time with each other.
As for their comments, I think there's a point in stardom at which your ego gets big enough that you really can just rewrite history as you like and reporters will lap it up, regardless of drugs or anything else cloduing your mind.
LB and SN are two people who definitely tell whichever story makes them look the best. Simple as that.
For some reason I still love both of them. <shrugs> Must be the music, or something..
Seriously, I would like to see a bit of "Pete Townshend" honesty from the band members. And definitely some John in the mix! The guy is awesome. (thinks of him pouring a glass of wine over LB)
- Spike
gypsysoul
10-19-2009, 04:36 PM
I've always thought that the problem for this couple has been that Lindsey loves and mourns the loss of the girl Stevie once was. And Stevie loves and mourns the loss of the man Lindsey became.
The only time the girl and man really found each other, I believe, was during the Dance period. This was when Lindsey said he was once again seeing the girl he had loved and Stevie waxed lyrical about how soft Lindsey had become. She described him then as her first love, 'my love for all time.'
Their interaction and delight in finding each other again during this time was, I think, genuine and moving to see.
It didn't last because with the advent of Will and later the girls, Stevie could no longer be number one in Lindsey's life as she likes to be and this, I think, pi$$es her off no end.
And I believe, for the first time Lindsey genuinely moved on from Stevie to the point where she is now in his past and any regrets he still has are about the past.
goldustsongbird
10-19-2009, 05:18 PM
:lol:
Stevie is my favorite person to read interviews from EVER!
she comes up with the craziest one liners and statements like this :laugh:
Does that not just kill you, the dancing on tables quote? :laugh:
“Doing all the very famous material is actually more fun,” insists this born entertainer. “It’s been a breath of fresh air for us to not have to worry about trying to sell [new] songs.”
Okay, Stevie, see the face you're making in the picture with this article? This is the face I'm making right now.
michelej1
10-19-2009, 05:31 PM
Does that not just kill you, the dancing on tables quote? :laugh:
I'm curious as to how/why Stevie acquires a van in her alternate life. The fact that you're not in FM shouldn't automatically put you behind the wheel of a van.
Guess whenever I thought of her driving herself around, I imagined her in something else.
Michele
HejiraNYC
10-19-2009, 05:42 PM
Guess whenever I thought of her driving herself around, I imagined her in something else.
Michele
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0908/pink-cougar-cadillac-mary-kay-cat-car-cougar-prowl-demotivational-poster-1250774525.jpg
:shrug:
daniellaaarisen
10-19-2009, 06:28 PM
Yes, Lindsey's approach has evolved... but in his case, I don't think evolution is necessarily a good thing. He has been on a musical journey, surely. But I think his style has become a bit too heavy-handed and forced. What I loved about albums like Rumours and Tusk was that they were rough yet effortlessly polished at the same time. And even when a song was very heavily produced, e.g., "Sara" or "You Make Loving Fun," there was something very warm and organic about it. In recent efforts, it seems like Lindsey was just digging through his electronic bag of tricks and trying to use every effect he can throw at a song. For me, the results are not "cutting edge" as much as they are cold and mechanical. Rather than complementing the songs, his production tends to overpower the songs. Yes, one could argue that perhaps the material on an album like SYW was so weak that it needed a lot of heavy-handed production. But on songs like "Smile at You," which was pretty great to begin with, I think he could have dialed back the vocoders and Pro Tools a notch and employed a simpler, sparser sonic field. Not to say that it was all bad- I think the production on "Destiny Rules" was perfect, as well as "Thrown Down." But two or three good songs out of ten (Stevie) songs is not a good batting average.
I completely agree. And although Trouble in Shangri-La is definitely heavily produced as well, I believe that it was relatively consistent in sound which made most of the little pointless production additions more.... believable. Less out of place. Especially since we were hearing one songwriter and one more commercialized style throughout the entire album while Say You Will was jumpy in that sense-- not even separated out into Stevie vs. Lindsey as writers/singers.
daniellaaarisen
10-19-2009, 06:36 PM
I've always thought that the problem for this couple has been that Lindsey loves and mourns the loss of the girl Stevie once was. And Stevie loves and mourns the loss of the man Lindsey became.
The only time the girl and man really found each other, I believe, was during the Dance period. This was when Lindsey said he was once again seeing the girl he had loved and Stevie waxed lyrical about how soft Lindsey had become.
This is a beautiful and heartwarming idea. I believe it.
vivfox
10-19-2009, 07:59 PM
John did participate in that one telephone conference they all did. And he said he argued with Stevie over the "Unleashed" title. But that's it.
Michele, you crack me up. :lol: I never heard this int. BTW. And we know who won this argument, don't we?
The one who always gets her way.
It's her way or the highway.
CADreaming
10-19-2009, 08:35 PM
From 2003:
''There was plenty of drama, plenty of arguments, things we really had to hash out,'' Nicks says. ``But that's what makes a great record. If everything went blissfully smooth it would be a blissfully boring record.''
"I think my material on this album is some of my best material ever. And I think that Lindsay's material is his best material ever. So I feel that whatever it was that made us reform, there was a real reason for it. And maybe it was all this material that needed to come out."
http://rockalittle.com/fleetwoodmac_articles_2003.htm
ROFLOL!!! THANK YOU for posting that!! Awesome. :wavey:
I made a mistake and left off an "s". I meant she thinks, not I think. I was just talking about Stevie's perception. I don't think that some other producer could have done a better job with her songs. I think they all sound great, except for Silver Girl and RTTG and I only really blame the production on RTTG. I think RTTG could have been better, tighter and differentiated. As it is, it's just one monotonous thing.
I think LB did as good of a job on Silver Girl as was possible. In fact, if I think an outside producer was needed on the album, I'd get one to lend an objective ear to Lindsey's songs, not Stevie's.
I am thrilled with the SYW album and love it as a whole, even when it fails in places.
Michele
OMG, Michele - that is so funny because I LOVE RTTG!! It's probably my favorite Stevie track on the album! Honestly, I think what's happened with this thread is just another reason why the album as a whole is so great...look how much discussion it's opened up.
CADreaming
10-19-2009, 08:39 PM
Bull****. In fact, bull**** to this whole interview. I still find it hard to accept that the man she calls the love of her life called her a "road f*ck." Granted, he was drunk but come on. It's time for Mama to get a new schtick. The reason she isn't with Lindsey today is because she kept telling him no. "You could easily wake up with a stranger, it's not something that you planned. One night in a world of pain and you finally understand. Not all the king's horses, not all the kings men could put it back together."
There must be literally thousands of great stories she could tell but instead she decides to stick with the same old crap. And give me a break about hating Say You Will. I think she's still pissed that Sheryl Crow couldn't/wouldn't join the band.
The only illuminating thing about this whole interview is that Babs Nicks doesn't think she's found the love of her life yet.
And for god's sake, will John grant one interview for this tour. Mick can even be there with him. I just want to hear something different that I never knew about this band for once.
ROFLOL!!!!! :xoxo:
There ya go - call her on the carpet!!
CADreaming
10-19-2009, 08:40 PM
I've always thought that the problem for this couple has been that Lindsey loves and mourns the loss of the girl Stevie once was. And Stevie loves and mourns the loss of the man Lindsey became.
The only time the girl and man really found each other, I believe, was during the Dance period. This was when Lindsey said he was once again seeing the girl he had loved and Stevie waxed lyrical about how soft Lindsey had become. She described him then as her first love, 'my love for all time.'
Their interaction and delight in finding each other again during this time was, I think, genuine and moving to see.
It didn't last because with the advent of Will and later the girls, Stevie could no longer be number one in Lindsey's life as she likes to be and this, I think, pi$$es her off no end.
And I believe, for the first time Lindsey genuinely moved on from Stevie to the point where she is now in his past and any regrets he still has are about the past.
Nah...after all, Mama got to sing in Paris... ;)
They (SN/LB) keep their distance because for like 30 years they haven't been able to be in the same room, I thought? Weren't they in separate taxi's in the Tusk or Mirage era?
I just think they're two fiery people who are too independent to spend quality time with each other.
- Spike
And yet, they end up sitting on the bed together....go figure!
gldstwmn
10-19-2009, 11:09 PM
Do you really think Lindsey was that obsessed with her? I always found this pairing rather bizarre- Lindsey being the grounded, straight, self-conscious introvert who belabors every detail, whereas Stevie is the oblivious ex-drug-addled extrovert who lives in a parallel, pastel-hued universe. There has been much speculation about what really went down between them during The Dance, but I just find it hard to believe that he would be pining after Stevie's then-50-year-old hey-nanu-nanu :sorry: when he had a hot young wife, as well as limitless potential road options. I just think that so much weirdness has passed between S and L over the years that he is quite over her drama. I'm not saying Mama is completely koo-koo for Cocoa Puffs, but there is a reason why doctors were trying to put her on antidepressants after her Klonopin detox! There is a theory about some drug addicts- that they are merely self-medicating due to an undiagnosed or mistreated underlying mental/physical condition. I do believe in my heart of hearts that Stevie is among the walking wounded, and Lindsey realizes this and keeps his distance accordingly. And it helps to explain why Stevie would give interviews like this...
I don't think Lindsey wants her now. And there was something going on during the Dance era. Remember the Rolling Stone quote from Lindsey when he says there's nothing going on between them...yet. And then she basically loses her **** over that statement. No, their love affair was never over IMO until William came along. Then the fate was sealed. They weren't going to cross that line. So I think that yes, she is a wee bit bitter because deep in her heart I think she did feel that eventually they would be together again. Yes they are opposites but opposites attract. And I don't really consider myself a shipper but the more she gives these interviews the more transparent it becomes. Yes she's going to Europe on a fabulous tour and staying in all the best hotels. Her journey will be first class all the way. But that don't keep you warm at night. As far as her being among the walking wounded I agree in that she seems to be unable to form a lasting commitment romantically and the rock and roll is a convenient reason. Yes, she does have many close male friends, Mick, Don Henley, Tom Petty but they are all emotionally unavailable to her in a romantic way.
David
10-19-2009, 11:14 PM
I don't think Lindsey wants her now.I don't think he has ever wanted her, since their breaking apart in the '70s, as anything more than what Joe Walsh called her on that radio program.
And there was something going on during the Dance era.Yeah, Chris, a tour.
And I don't really consider myself a shipper but the more she gives these interviews the more transparent it becomes.I think she's a typical loner, feeling sodden in her cups as old age approacheth.
gldstwmn
10-19-2009, 11:18 PM
I don't think he has ever wanted her, since their breaking apart in the '70s, as anything more than what Joe Walsh called her on that radio program.
Yeah, I guess it's easier to hook up with someone you already know than to have a one off with some groupie.
I think she's a typical loner, feeling sodden in her cups as old age approacheth.
Agreed.
justanotherliar
10-20-2009, 05:11 AM
I've always thought that the problem for this couple has been that Lindsey loves and mourns the loss of the girl Stevie once was. And Stevie loves and mourns the loss of the man Lindsey became.
The only time the girl and man really found each other, I believe, was during the Dance period. This was when Lindsey said he was once again seeing the girl he had loved and Stevie waxed lyrical about how soft Lindsey had become. She described him then as her first love, 'my love for all time.'
Their interaction and delight in finding each other again during this time was, I think, genuine and moving to see.
It didn't last because with the advent of Will and later the girls, Stevie could no longer be number one in Lindsey's life as she likes to be and this, I think, pi$$es her off no end.
And I believe, for the first time Lindsey genuinely moved on from Stevie to the point where she is now in his past and any regrets he still has are about the past.
My thoughts exactly!
I know the following quotes have been referenced throughout this thread (I tried my best to confirm these were not already posted but I'm at work...) Anyways, they are some of my favorite Stevie contradictory quotes...or a result of a reporters creative writing/editing? Spent way to much time digging these up not to post!
Maybe when Lindsey and I are 60 years old, we'll look around and say, 'You know what, there just isn't anybody better around. Maybe we'll just get married or something.' But, Lindsey and I are becoming really good friends again. …It's really nice. I don't think we were all that good of friends before.
~Stevie Nicks, New York Post, July 22, 1997
On the possibility of resuming a romantic relationship with Buckingham] Over my dead body. See, I don't want to be part of that darkness. He knows that. When we're up there singing songs to each other, we probably say more to each other than we ever would in real life. If you offered me a passionate love affair and you offered me a high-priestess role in a fabulous castle above a cliff where I can just, like, live a very spiritual kind of religious-library-communing-with-the-stars, learning of existence, I'm going to go for the high priestess.
~Stevie Nicks, Rolling Stone, September 22, 1997
You know, I was thinking about it a couple of days ago, Lindsey is probably the man who loved me the most in my life. So when I die I will remember that: that of all the men in my life Lindsey, absolutely, bar none, was the man who loved me the most. Who was the love of your life?
Joe Walsh. I fell in love with Joe in kind of the same way that Lindsey fell in love with me. Joe and I only went out, off and on, for about two years. When Joe and I broke up I was very devastated for a long, long time. ~Stevie Nicks, Q Magazine, May 1, 2008
BellaDonna93
10-20-2009, 11:48 AM
I know the following quotes have been referenced throughout this thread (I tried my best to confirm these were not already posted but I'm at work...) Anyways, they are some of my favorite Stevie contradictory quotes...or a result of a reporters creative writing/editing? Spent way to much time digging these up not to post!
Maybe when Lindsey and I are 60 years old, we'll look around and say, 'You know what, there just isn't anybody better around. Maybe we'll just get married or something.' But, Lindsey and I are becoming really good friends again. …It's really nice. I don't think we were all that good of friends before.
~Stevie Nicks, New York Post, July 22, 1997
On the possibility of resuming a romantic relationship with Buckingham] Over my dead body. See, I don't want to be part of that darkness. He knows that. When we're up there singing songs to each other, we probably say more to each other than we ever would in real life. If you offered me a passionate love affair and you offered me a high-priestess role in a fabulous castle above a cliff where I can just, like, live a very spiritual kind of religious-library-communing-with-the-stars, learning of existence, I'm going to go for the high priestess.
~Stevie Nicks, Rolling Stone, September 22, 1997
You know, I was thinking about it a couple of days ago, Lindsey is probably the man who loved me the most in my life. So when I die I will remember that: that of all the men in my life Lindsey, absolutely, bar none, was the man who loved me the most. Who was the love of your life?
Joe Walsh. I fell in love with Joe in kind of the same way that Lindsey fell in love with me. Joe and I only went out, off and on, for about two years. When Joe and I broke up I was very devastated for a long, long time. ~Stevie Nicks, Q Magazine, May 1, 2008
LOL, that one was soo funny! :thumbsup:
Nikolaj
10-20-2009, 08:56 PM
Originally Posted by HejiraNYC
I have to disagree vehemently! I happen to think John Shanks, based on his work on TISL, was by far Stevie's best producer.
I totally agree that Shanks is the producer who stands out as making Stevie's songs sound their best, in ages. It seems to me Sheryl Crow, on TISL, as a producer, would not, as a fan and friend, suggest that Stevie needed do more than she did, vocally. Yet, I thought Sheryl did a really good job on 'If You Ever Did Believe'- as for the PM 'Crystal', I love the fade on it- the rest of the song, not as much. By the time Sheryl was producing the tracks she did for TISL, I think she was unwilling to say 'You could do better'-- Shanks' work on it is great.
David
10-20-2009, 09:00 PM
Yet, I thought Sheryl did a really good job on 'If You Ever Did Believe'- as for the PM 'Crystal', I love the fade on it- the rest of the song, not as much.That track of Crystal is the only classic track Stevie Nicks has had since Silver Springs on The Dance. Whether to attribute the praise to Crow or to the musicians themselves, I can't say; but it's a classic track.
Nikolaj
10-21-2009, 02:48 AM
For anyone who hasn't checked out a newer thread, near the top of the first page of The Rumours forum, "October 19, Berlin- Any Czech fan goes there"-- I recommend it, a lot. The comments by the Euro fans are interesting and it's quite a charming thread with good photographs.
For a couple of 'spoilers'- there's info that Mick's pants were unzipped at that Berlin concert, and one enthusiastic attendee of the concert described Lindsey's guitar solos as "hilarious" and meant it in the best way. Now, "Lindsey" and "hilarious" are not 2 words that are usually used together, and I found it a nice change to read the comments of Fleetwood Mac fans who may be a little less 'experienced' and just love the band. There's also info about 'Storms' that I wasn't aware of, though maybe others of you are.
I think it might be nice for some more people to check the thread out, international relations and all :) Thanks.
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