New album? [Archive]

Dodfather

08-15-2009, 09:53 AM

I don't know, I have my doubts that they will record a new studio album. If they go to AUS in dec. and jan. (and it seems like they will) than I'm sure they won't start any project till 2010. Guess it depends what Lindsey and Stevie's plans are after the tour in over, and how they are feeling after the tour is over.

And Chris won't be a part of it at all.

I think I'd rather have a new Stevie solo album and then a new Fleetrwood Mac record. That could mean that there could be another Mac album in 3-4 years' time, with Stevie's solo album in 2011 (recorded in 2010) and Mac's in 2012/13 (there was only 2 years between Trouble In Shangri-La and Say You Will after all).

As for producers, I'd like to see them work with Rick Rubin or, as has already been said. Jack White (him and Lindsey could do some GREAT stuff!)

cbBen

08-15-2009, 11:58 AM

I don't think Rick Rubin is right for them. John Chelew would do it right. Without ten really good songs, though, no one can make a great record.

David

08-15-2009, 12:19 PM

They'll record. With a producer. If they want to make one last big artistic statement, I recommend Jack White.How about someone like Christopher Bishop? or Paul Myers? with Edward T. Graham handling the engineering tasks?

shackin'up

08-15-2009, 12:28 PM

Come on David. That's a joke about people of new media isn't it? Do you mean that? At least there is some realism in my recommendation: Lindsey said himself that he'd LOVE to work with Jack White. Not in a lifetime Stevie would, but one never knows with her.....maybe she likes him too.

Fleetwoodmark

08-15-2009, 12:57 PM

They couldn't wait untill 2012/13. They would be too old, illness etc would hinder a tour and I don't think at that age a 50 date tour would be on the cards anyway, Lindsey and Stevie's voices wouldn't hold out.

I don't really rate Jack White all that much.

daniellaaarisen

08-15-2009, 12:59 PM

Mick said that there was a "good chance" of a new Fleetwood Mac album when I met him in May. That being said, this is one long tour for a bunch of 60-year-olds so although I'm pretty sure they'll keep recording, our tour dates may be very limited or unexistent in the future.

I seriously, seriously hope that isn't the case-- Marissa and I are seriously planning to do everything we can to really dedicate ourselves to a new tour. But who knows?

One thing is fairly certain-- this will probably be Mac's last time out together.

David

08-15-2009, 01:08 PM

Come on David. That's a joke about people of new media isn't it? Do you mean that? No no no, they've done some excellent work in production & engineering. I have some of the CDs myself. I like the way they "hear."

nailatixela

08-15-2009, 01:18 PM

They have to do another tour. At least we know they are not gonna get away without doing a farewell tour! (was unleashed really Farewell Part 1?)

CADreaming

08-15-2009, 01:28 PM

They've probably already got stuff in the can. All the talk is just hype, imo. They have to have some material for the 'ol publicity machine, after all.

At any rate, I hope they do release one more batch of new material. It would be a nice.

They have to do another tour. At least we know they are not gonna get away without doing a farewell tour! (was unleashed really Farewell Part 1?)

I think it was Farewell Warm Up, part 1...

shackin'up

08-15-2009, 02:07 PM

No no no, they've done some excellent work in production & engineering. I have some of the CDs myself. I like the way they "hear."

What did they produce? I didn't find anything under their names immediately. didn't do alot of searching though. I'd like to hear some so I can see what you mean....

The Chain

08-15-2009, 03:55 PM

I just hope, if there is a new project, it's a little more collaborative in spirit. I really love Say You Will, and while it can feel like a mash up of solo projects, with these artists, at that time, it was the best we were gonna get - and it was great. I like some of the material on SYW just as much Tusk, the best IMO.
But really. If there is going to be one more, or multiple studio projects from this Mac line-up, I really want to see them working closer. I mean, it's been said before, but this is basically Buckingham Nicks with one of the greatest rhythm sections in the modern blues rock world. We got a taste of what it could be like on SYW, but the process wasn't as intimate as it sounds. So I would love to see a real collaboration:thumbsup:

Fleetwoodmark

08-15-2009, 04:46 PM

Yeah. As much as I love SYW it is too disconnected. From What's the world coming to ---- Murrow turning in his grave. It doesn't flow.

louielouie2000

08-15-2009, 05:11 PM

Yeah. As much as I love SYW it is too disconnected. From What's the world coming to ---- Murrow turning in his grave. It doesn't flow.

Exactly. I just hope they don't bow out with Say You Will being their final effort. There are some great songs, but I don't even know if I can call it an album with a straight face. There was seemingly no collaboration. It seems everyone was so spoiled, and egos were so big that they all couldn't just walk into a room TOGETHER, and flesh out songs, and craft and ALBUM. They all clearly came to the table with finished or nearly finished work, they barely seemed to interact, and the finished product just sounds like a mish mash of songs that have no place sitting beside each other.

I really don't know if there is another Mac album on the horizon at this point. There absolutely will be more touring. They may even tour for another decade (who knows, maybe longer). They've pretty much all clearly stated to the media that they weren't pleased with the end product of Say You Will. But I don't know if they can all truly swallow their personal issues, histories, and egos to make one last album. I hope they do... I truly hope they do. I agree, an outside producer is the way to go. The key would to be find a fine balance between Stevie's and Lindsey's sensibilities. Lindsey will want someone more progressive and "now," and Stevie will want someone more established and classic. I just don't know if it could really happen at this point without Christine. I think she was the moderating, mediating force between parties, and she's been gone for a dozen years now. A new album would be a WONDERFUL surprise, but I'm not expecting it at all at this point. Even if they did decide to record one, it would be well into late 2011 before we ever saw it, at the VERY earliest.

Fleetwoodmark

08-15-2009, 05:25 PM

Exactly. I just hope they don't bow out with Say You Will being their final effort. There are some great songs, but I don't even know if I can call it an album with a straight face. There was seemingly no collaboration. It seems everyone was so spoiled, and egos were so big that they all couldn't just walk into a room TOGETHER, and flesh out songs, and craft and ALBUM. They all clearly came to the table with finished or nearly finished work, they barely seemed to interact, and the finished product just sounds like a mish mash of songs that have no place sitting beside each other.

I really don't know if there is another Mac album on the horizon at this point. There absolutely will be more touring. They may even tour for another decade (who knows, maybe longer). They've pretty much all clearly stated to the media that they weren't pleased with the end product of Say You Will. But I don't know if they can all truly swallow their personal issues, histories, and egos to make one last album. I hope they do... I truly hope they do. I agree, an outside producer is the way to go. The key would to be find a fine balance between Stevie's and Lindsey's sensibilities. Lindsey will want someone more progressive and "now," and Stevie will want someone more established and classic. I just don't know if it could really happen at this point without Christine. I think she was the moderating, mediating force between parties, and she's been gone for a dozen years now. A new album would be a WONDERFUL surprise, but I'm not expecting it at all at this point. Even if they did decide to record one, it would be well into late 2011 before we ever saw it, at the VERY earliest.

Great post.

I totally agree, When Christine left I think there was in Stevie & Lindsey 2 polar opposites in terms of what an album should be. I question some of Lindsey's production techniques on SYW (ie Murrow, Say Goodbye). These would have been more at home on one of his more esoteric solo works. He has to realise that Fleetwood Mac is a commercial venture and should remain so, As their best work was created with this in mind (Rumours, Tango).

louielouie2000

08-15-2009, 06:00 PM

Great post.

I totally agree, When Christine left I think there was in Stevie & Lindsey 2 polar opposites in terms of what an album should be. I question some of Lindsey's production techniques on SYW (ie Murrow, Say Goodbye). These would have been more at home on one of his more esoteric solo works. He has to realise that Fleetwood Mac is a commercial venture and should remain so, As their best work was created with this in mind (Rumours, Tango).

Hmm... yes and no. I agree that Rumours and Tango were the Rumours crew's best, most approachable, highest quality albums. You could say they're probably the best balance between innovation and commercialism. They probably strayed a little too far left with Tusk in regards to creativity... and did a hard knee jerk back towards commercialism with Mirage. I suspect artistic turmoil was a big part of making Rumours and Tango so great too. Do they have that kind of fire left? And if so, can it still be channeled into MUSIC? I have my doubts. I think there are too many distractions for the band members now... spouses, kids, health issues, age, histories, etc. They're all just spoiled old rock stars with conflicting runaway egos, and I don't know if there is any getting around that at this point. Lindsey's and Stevie's last albums are arguably the best of their entire careers... but can they transition that into one last amazing Mac album? I just don't know if they can go do it without Christine being there to keep everyone in line.

CADreaming

08-15-2009, 07:13 PM

Great post.

I totally agree, When Christine left I think there was in Stevie & Lindsey 2 polar opposites in terms of what an album should be. I question some of Lindsey's production techniques on SYW (ie Murrow, Say Goodbye). These would have been more at home on one of his more esoteric solo works. He has to realise that Fleetwood Mac is a commercial venture and should remain so, As their best work was created with this in mind (Rumours, Tango).

I don't believe that Christine was any sort of a bridge between SnL. To me, all their albums sound as disconnected as SYW, only with 3 directions instead of two. I don't mind it, but only the first two albums felt like they had any sort of "meshing" whatsoever. But, overall, I still feel like I am hearing 3 separate solo artists, save for a handful of songs where the collaboration was there or they at least had more equal parts musically and vocally.

Honestly, we don't REALLY know how much discussion went on for SYW anyway. I would bet money that Stevie was just fine letting LB do all the prep work prior to her arrival to work on the tracks. For instance, he asked her about cutting the guitar solo in half on TD and she was cool with it.

Regardless, there are tracks on SYW where the two of them together still blow me away both with LB's guitar work on her songs (RTTG) and her vocals on his songs (Miranda, SG, WTWCT) and vice versa (Illume, TD). Almost a nice BN follow up. Almost...

michelej1

08-15-2009, 08:10 PM

I don't believe that Christine was any sort of a bridge between SnL. ...

Well, I think she was a bridge, but not a bridge when it came to Lindsey's contributions to Stevie's songs. I don't think Christine being there kept him from doing what he wanted on those songs (Gypsy, Dreams, etc.)

Lindsey and Stevie working together (as we saw on those making of Angel video clips), from the ground up would do more to make their songs sound more collaborative.

Michele

Musicman408

08-15-2009, 08:39 PM

Great topic of discussion. Honestly I could see this one going both ways. BUT I really do think they will put out a new album in the future. I surely would love one since neither the Mac or Stevie has released a new materials album since I've been a fan, and I would like to get that experience at least once.

Pretty sure they will continue to tour as well!

CADreaming

08-15-2009, 10:24 PM

Well, I think she was a bridge, but not a bridge when it came to Lindsey's contributions to Stevie's songs. I don't think Christine being there kept him from doing what he wanted on those songs (Gypsy, Dreams, etc.)

Lindsey and Stevie working together (as we saw on those making of Angel video clips), from the ground up would do more to make their songs sound more collaborative.

Michele

True, it would be great for a ground up collaboration.

In what way do you think Christine was a bridge though? Musically or politically?

daniellaaarisen

08-15-2009, 11:24 PM

I just hope, if there is a new project, it's a little more collaborative in spirit.

I think it will be, to be honest. The Dance only partially reunited them-- the chemistry was revived but only applied to old, classic songs. There's a big difference between creating music and playing music; at the beginning of Say You Will, those four people had not created music together in 15 years. Plus, both Lindsey and Stevie went into the recording of SYW with recent successes in their solo careers and that mentality carried into the studio.

Now, they've spent the past few years very united as a band. Although Lindsey and Stevie have both maintained their solo careers, they now have the band at the forefront of their minds because its been their main professional focus.

I think we will have a better, more well-rounded album in the future-- as long as it is not put on pause for solo work. If we get a bunch of leftovers from solo albums like we did on SYW, the disconnection will continue.

Hopefully, Lindsey will realize that he can still be experimental and have artistic merit while still considering the band. Hopefully, Stevie will adapt to it and maybe use some of Lindsey's mindset to add to her own work.

There's no doubt in my mind that we could get a seriously great record. I just don't want the band looking at SYW like they did at Tusk and making a commercial album to follow it, hoping for a better result. At this point, anything too commercial might just sound old.

LukeA

08-15-2009, 11:44 PM

Yeah. As much as I love SYW it is too disconnected. From What's the world coming to ---- Murrow turning in his grave. It doesn't flow.

Yes, the sequencing was horrible. Its not that hard to place similarly sounding songs in a specific order to make them flow... although Stevie likes to suggest its a rare talent she's proud to possess (see: Rumours) Probably another reason why she's still pouty about the SYW experience.

But, anyhoo, WTWCT was probably the right choice for Track 1, but Murrow is too jarring to be Track 2. I bet it turned off many of the casual fans who bought the album.

vivfox

08-16-2009, 12:09 AM

Yes, the sequencing was horrible. Its not that hard to place similarly sounding songs in a specific order to make them flow... although Stevie likes to suggest its a rare talent she's proud to possess (see: Rumours) Probably another reason why she's still pouty about the SYW experience.

But, anyhoo, WTWCT was probably the right choice for Track 1, but Murrow is too jarring to be Track 2. I bet it turned off many of the casual fans who bought the album.

It's all a matter of opinion Luke. To me Murrow was Lindsey's best track on the album. Having it as the second song greatly reminded me of his song The Ledge being the 2nd track on the Tusk album which was performed right after a slow, soothing Over & Over. It worked there and it works here as far as I'm concerned. Also I doubt any casual fans are interested in new music by Fleetwood Mac. They only want to hear the hits.

louielouie2000

08-16-2009, 12:25 AM

I don't believe that Christine was any sort of a bridge between SnL. To me, all their albums sound as disconnected as SYW, only with 3 directions instead of two. I don't mind it, but only the first two albums felt like they had any sort of "meshing" whatsoever. But, overall, I still feel like I am hearing 3 separate solo artists, save for a handful of songs where the collaboration was there or they at least had more equal parts musically and vocally.

Honestly, we don't REALLY know how much discussion went on for SYW anyway. I would bet money that Stevie was just fine letting LB do all the prep work prior to her arrival to work on the tracks. For instance, he asked her about cutting the guitar solo in half on TD and she was cool with it.

Regardless, there are tracks on SYW where the two of them together still blow me away both with LB's guitar work on her songs (RTTG) and her vocals on his songs (Miranda, SG, WTWCT) and vice versa (Illume, TD). Almost a nice BN follow up. Almost...

Stevie has stated before that Chris was the "glue" that held FM together, the moderator and fairy godmother so to speak. I don't think she took a lot of crap from Stevie or Lindsey. I definitely agree that the three songwriters had vastly different aesthetics, but there was still some sort of common ground that made their songs hang together. Maybe it was the luscious harmonies with Chris that was the common thread. All of the songs on Say You Will just seemed to be far more independent efforts.

Regarding the Mac recording process, I think Stevie was absolutely very used to handing over reasonably rough versions of her songs to Lindsey, and him "making them into magic" as she states it. I really think it kinda backfired with Say You Will... I think it's the first time she's gone to the press and named specifics about her dissatisfaction. Watching the Destiny Rules documentary, she really came to the plate with fairly finished songs too to be honest. Lindsey for the most part just polished them up. Add that to the fact that the overwhelming majority of Lindsey's songs were absolute 100% carbon copies of the Gift Of Screws tracks that had been floating around for nearly a decade in the Mac community, and it just doesn't seem like either were particularly interested in making Say You Will a truly group effort.

StreetAngel86

08-16-2009, 12:29 AM

They'll record. With a producer. If they want to make one last big artistic statement, I recommend Jack White.

er....Katey Sagal's ex husband? :thumbsup: :lol:

louielouie2000

08-16-2009, 12:35 AM

I think it will be, to be honest. The Dance only partially reunited them-- the chemistry was revived but only applied to old, classic songs. There's a big difference between creating music and playing music; at the beginning of Say You Will, those four people had not created music together in 15 years. Plus, both Lindsey and Stevie went into the recording of SYW with recent successes in their solo careers and that mentality carried into the studio.

Now, they've spent the past few years very united as a band. Although Lindsey and Stevie have both maintained their solo careers, they now have the band at the forefront of their minds because its been their main focus.

I think we will have a better, more well-rounded album in the future-- as long as it is not put on pause for solo work. If we get a bunch of leftovers from solo albums like we did on SYW, the disconnection will continue.

Hopefully, Lindsey will realize that he can still be experimental and have artistic merit while still considering the band. Hopefully, Stevie will adapt to it and maybe use some of Lindsey's mindset to add to her own work.

There's no doubt in my mind that we could get a seriously great record. I just don't want the band looking at SYW like they did at Tusk and making a commercial album to follow it, hoping for a better result. At this point, anything too commercial might just sound old.

Great post. I 100% agree, I think there is certainly a great possibility that the kids could still record the best material of their careers. I truly hope it happens, it seems all the parties have honed their crafts to a deadly precision after decades and decades in the biz. I think the key is everyone coming to the plate cleanly, without motives, with egos checked at the door, with a positive work ethic, and with an outside producer who is willing to get up to his or her neck in quicksand. I've been a rabid fan since '93, and if the past 16 years has taught me anything, you NEVER know what these kids will do next! I do think it could happen. Stevie's last album was arguably the best of her career, and definitely amongst the most progressive of her solo works. Lindsey's last album is also arguably the best of his career, and it seems after 30 years, that he's FINALLY figured out how to blend progression with approachability. Add to the fact that both their albums and the last Mac album were all the poorest selling of their respective careers, and maybe they'll come to the table more humble this time around. Maybe the kids ARE on a more similar plane now than we give them credit for!

daniellaaarisen

08-16-2009, 12:56 AM

Great post.

Why thank you :)

I think the key is everyone coming to the plate cleanly, without motives, with egos checked at the door, with a positive work ethic, and with an outside producer who is willing to get up to his or her neck in quicksand.

Agreed. Their only motive needs to be derived from a universal goal as a band-- create music as a band without killing one another before its release. We don't want another Tango In the Night situation.

Plus, if Lindsey doesn't produce, there will be someone there to speak to him from a voice of authority and help draw the creative line without supressing him too much. With an outside producer, balance could be found.

Add to the fact that both their albums and the last Mac album were all the poorest selling of their respective careers, and maybe they'll come to the table more humble this time around. Maybe the kids ARE on a more similar plane now than we give them credit for!

I thought Trouble in Shangri-La sold pretty well in comparison to her other later solo albums?

________________________________

On a side note, it just occurred to me that a lot of Stevie's Trouble in Shangri-La tracks probably would have molded to Lindsey's tracks a little better. Some were less traditional but still carried a sense of commercialism. Yet to me, TISL is a total solo album, and it carries no Fleetwood Mac undertones. So that combination (TISL-type tracks on SYW) would have either redefined Mac or made the barrier between the two songwriters even more prominent.

Interesting.

Fleetwoodmark

08-16-2009, 06:12 AM

Great discussion. All members of Fleetwood Mac have said in the past that Christine was a mediator between S'n'L (Politically).

For a new album they need collaberation. How about they co-write some songs together as well as writing their own. Thie would mean a more focused approach to what they are trying to achieve.

David

08-16-2009, 10:43 AM

To me, all their albums sound as disconnected as SYW, only with 3 directions instead of two. I don't mind it, but only the first two albums felt like they had any sort of "meshing" whatsoever.True. And not coincidentally, those first two albums with that lineup were recorded with the group all together at the same time & in the same place (or two). After that, the unity of time & place (no pun intended) eroded. Say You Will was the furthest point in that direction the band had ever gone: tracks were recorded over about a ten-year period with a smorgasbord of different personnel & environments. Think of how much the logistics of recording can & do change over such a time span. Your singing voice changes, your proclivities for orchestration & arrangement change, even the recording equipment you use changes. All of this created in 2003 what is, in my book, a fractured collection of aural artifacts. Say You Will doesn't just sound like two solo albums -- it sounds like about five or six, because Lindsey's tracks alone sound like three or four.

But, overall, I still feel like I am hearing 3 separate solo artists, save for a handful of songs where the collaboration was there or they at least had more equal parts musically and vocally.The only song that has any resonance in it as a collective Fleetwood Mac work, reminiscent of earlier times, is Destiny Rules. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that that was pulled together in the shortest amount of time.

louielouie2000

08-16-2009, 01:09 PM

True. And not coincidentally, those first two albums with that lineup were recorded with the group all together at the same time & in the same place (or two). After that, the unity of time & place (no pun intended) eroded. Say You Will was the furthest point in that direction the band had ever gone: tracks were recorded over about a ten-year period with a smorgasbord of different personnel & environments. Think of how much the logistics of recording can & do change over such a time span. Your singing voice changes, your proclivities for orchestration & arrangement change, even the recording equipment you use changes. All of this created in 2003 what is, in my book, a fractured collection of aural artifacts. Say You Will doesn't just sound like two solo albums -- it sounds like about five or six, because Lindsey's tracks alone sound like three or four.

The only song that has any resonance in it as a collective Fleetwood Mac work, reminiscent of earlier times, is Destiny Rules. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that that was pulled together in the shortest amount of time.

I think that was why I adored Destiny Rules from the second I heard it... it was like a throwback to Gypsy to me... it was very tight, clearly a full band effort, gorgeous harmonies, yet it still sounded like a progression from what we'd heard in the past. Songs like Come (which I LOVE), sounded like an alien just landed in the field :lol:. I bet you're right too... I bet they pulled together, and crafted that one pretty quickly. That seems to be the way the band does their best work anyway, instead of this constant noodling and pursuit of perfection.

I never thought of it that way, but I definitely agree... SYW sounds more like a half dozen albums put into the blender vs two.

louielouie2000

08-16-2009, 01:13 PM

Why thank you :)

Agreed. Their only motive needs to be derived from a universal goal as a band-- create music as a band without killing one another before its release. We don't want another Tango In the Night situation.

Plus, if Lindsey doesn't produce, there will be someone there to speak to him from a voice of authority and help draw the creative line without supressing him too much. With an outside producer, balance could be found.

I thought Trouble in Shangri-La sold pretty well in comparison to her other later solo albums?

________________________________

On a side note, it just occurred to me that a lot of Stevie's Trouble in Shangri-La tracks probably would have molded to Lindsey's tracks a little better. Some were less traditional but still carried a sense of commercialism. Yet to me, TISL is a total solo album, and it carries no Fleetwood Mac undertones. So that combination (TISL-type tracks on SYW) would have either redefined Mac or made the barrier between the two songwriters even more prominent.

Interesting.

TISL made Gold status... aka, it sold 500,000+ copies. Street Angel was the only of her albums to not have even make Gold. I believe the rest of Stevie's solo works are Platinum... 1,000,000 copies or more sold. I think she probably expected TISL to do better than it did, but in my opinion she didn't strike soon enough after the Dance while the iron was hotter. She might have been smarter to put out TISL in '98, THEN Enchanted in '01.

Yeah, I agree Stevie's TISL tracks would absolutely have molded to Lindsey's SYW tracks better than what ended up on SYW. Her SYW tracks sounded more like classic Mac... a direction Lindsey was not going in for that album. Who knows, maybe they'll get it together for another go around! Let's hope! :thumbsup:

michelej1

08-16-2009, 01:55 PM

True, it would be great for a ground up collaboration.

In what way do you think Christine was a bridge though? Musically or politically?

First politically. Probably "bridge" isn't the right term, because I don't think she actually linked them together in the traditional "glue" sense. I think she was more of a deflector, buffer, car bumper . . . They could both turn towards her, so they didn't have to crash into each other head on as often.

Musically, just her presence there didn't facilitate the melding of Stevie and Lindsey's musical sound to me. Christine and Lindsey probably did more for each other's music.

Although Lindsey may think otherwise, I don't think Christine changed the sound of Stevie's music much. Lindsey said something like Christine's presence made Stevie's music less aggressive. Yet, Lindsey was running around feminizing everything (Hold Me) more than Christine ever did.

However, just having Christine in there too made Fleetwood Mac's overall sound more varied and complex. I think it offered fans more.

Michele

michelej1

08-16-2009, 02:02 PM

Probably another reason why she's still pouty about the SYW experience.

I would have loved it if they had put the sequencing arguments on Destiny Rules. Judging from SYW (the album) and the placement of Time Precious Time, if Lindsey was responsible for those 2 things, then I'd have to say his sequencing sensibilities stink.

Trying to piece things together, it sounds like they went to Hawaii post SYW production. Lindsey stayed behind for the engineering and since he was the only one there, he put his foot down when it came to final track sequence. To disastrous results.

The album opens badly and I always say that the match of RTTG and Silver Girl has cost several people their lives. There are certain patients who were transitioning well off of life support until they heard those 2 songs back to back. Then, tragedy struck.

The album ends nicely though with Say Goodbye and Goodbye Baby. Reminds me of Burns and Allen.

George: Say goodnight, Gracie.
Gracie: Goodnight Gracie.

Michele

daniellaaarisen

08-16-2009, 02:13 PM

However, just having Christine in there too made Fleetwood Mac's overall sound more varied and complex. I think it offered fans more.

Michele

With three people creating different sounds for a band rather than two, the polar opposites work. The variety IS the band and gives a little something different to each song. With only two songwriters, the divide does not benefit an album (like I think it did with Christine) but instead gives you the impression that there are two solo artists throwing all their tracks on one disk. There's a difference between three people bringing their best music to a table-- we all know generally what to expect from a Christine, Stevie or Lindsey song. With SYW, there were two people doing the same thing and it just didn't work as well.

Three was kinda the magic number, I think.

michelej1

08-16-2009, 02:21 PM

Three was kinda the magic number, I think.

Three's the charm.

It's a very pedestrian statement from her, nothing particularly magical at all, but I remember reading my SYW tour book before the show and when I got to the part where Stevie says they were meant to be three for all of those years, it made me cry.

Of course, John then said of Christine, "I thought she got fired," and that quickly laughed the tears away.

Michele

daniellaaarisen

08-16-2009, 02:34 PM

Three's the charm.

It's a very pedestrian statement from her, nothing particularly magical at all, but I remember reading my SYW tour book before the show and when I got to the part where Stevie says they were meant to be three for all of those years, it made me cry.

Of course, John then said or Christine, "I thought she got fired," and that quickly laughed the tears away.

Michele

Mac constantly brings me to (completely unnecessary) tears and immediately after, I'm cracking up. I wish I could have listened to what was going on in John's head all the time during all the diva drama flying around limos and dressing rooms.

michelej1

08-16-2009, 02:41 PM

Mac constantly brings me to (completely unnecessary) tears and immediately after, I'm cracking up. I wish I could have listened to what was going on in John's head all the time during all the diva drama flying around limos and dressing rooms.

Thinking of that tour book, they were questioned about the SYW cover and, until then, although I love the cover photo, I never really thought of how it depicted the four of them all lying down together. In that sense, it is very much like the Rolling Stone bed cover and I had never put those 2 photos together, until I read it in the program.

Although you can fold it out, so that all 4 of them are lying down (and you can fold out Mirage so that you see all 5 of them standing together too), I always thought mostly of Stevie/Lindsey and John/Mick as two separate pairs for the SYW pictures.

Anyway, when asked if they are all sleeping together during the SYW tour, only John says "no." He is emphatic about it. The rest of them give teasing answers. I thought it was pretty amusing.

Michele

daniellaaarisen

08-16-2009, 04:12 PM

Thinking of that tour book, they were questioned about the SYW cover and, until then, although I love the cover photo, I never really thought of how it depicted the four of them all lying down together. In that sense, it is very much like the Rolling Stone bed cover and I had never put those 2 photos together, until I read it in the program.

Although you can fold it out, so that all 4 of them are lying down (and you can fold out Mirage so that you see all 5 of them standing together too), I always thought mostly of Stevie/Lindsey and John/Mick as two separate pairs for the SYW pictures.

Anyway, when asked if they are all sleeping together during the SYW tour, only John says "no." He is emphatic about it. The rest of them give teasing answers. I thought it was pretty amusing.

Michele

Wow, that is really interesting about the Say You Will cover. I would have never thought about that.

Now that I'm looking at the cover, I think its interesting that John and Mick are completely joined by their hands and neither touch Stevie or Lindsey in any way. Then, Stevie and Lindsey's arms are definitely touching but they are not intertwined. The crazy and analytical writer in me apologizes for this random observation... but I just think it kinda demonstrates the two relationships. Mick and John: the most reliable link in the chain. Stevie and Lindsey: always connected in their independent way with just enough room between them for some friction to start.

....I am ridiculous.

michelej1

08-16-2009, 06:02 PM

Stevie and Lindsey: always connected in their independent way with just enough room between them for some friction to start.

And upside down too. Joined, but not eye to eye. Heads in opposite places. Facing different directions.

That's why I wonder about Double Suicide. Were they inspired by the movie itself or did they just see the picture and say "that's us, exactly!"

Michele

Black_Moon

08-16-2009, 06:24 PM

If they choose to make another Fleetwood Mac album, I think the key to creating a cohesive album is to pick a theme and stick with it, kind of like a thread running through all of the songs. "Tusk", as wildly erratic as it was, still managed to sound like a band project in my opinion. The songs all join together in some way, whether it be subject matter or sequencing.

"Say You Will" was sequenced in a way that sort of said, 'now this is Stevie's turn, now Lindsey's' and there's not that sense of unity that there is in "Tusk", which really is the only album I feel I can compare with the former, because of length and creative styling.

There were too many different genres and stylings going on in "Say You Will" for it to be a real flowing listen. Plus, the order of songs really threw me off. Like Michele mentioned, for a start the placement of "Running Through The Garden" and then "Silver Girl" completely puts off any listener.

I also think Lindsey and Stevie should have harmonised on all of the songs. That way the Mac sound is more prominent, and the sounds aren't so disjointed, because Stevie could be the link between experimentalism and the classic sound the band has. The album should have dropped about four songs - "Come" (I love it, but as Stevie refused to contribute on it, it's more suited to a solo venture), "Peacekeeper", "Murrow Turning Over In His Grave" and the dreaded "Silver Girl".

daniellaaarisen

08-16-2009, 07:02 PM

And upside down too. Joined, but not eye to eye. Heads in opposite places. Facing different directions.

That's why I wonder about Double Suicide. Were they inspired by the movie itself or did they just see the picture and say "that's us, exactly!"

Michele

Funny-- I thought of that when I was walking away from my computer. There sure is a lot of (probably unintended) symbolism all over Fleetwood Mac, but this cover is definitely a new way to think of it.

The money I'd pay to sit down and drink tea by a fire with La Nicks.... I have about ten thousand questions to ask. I'd put the cover on my list!

Dodfather

08-17-2009, 05:53 AM

TISL made Gold status... aka, it sold 500,000+ copies. Street Angel was the only of her albums to not have even make Gold. I believe the rest of Stevie's solo works are Platinum... 1,000,000 copies or more sold. I think she probably expected TISL to do better than it did, but in my opinion she didn't strike soon enough after the Dance while the iron was hotter. She might have been smarter to put out TISL in '98, THEN Enchanted in '01.

Yeah, I agree Stevie's TISL tracks would absolutely have molded to Lindsey's SYW tracks better than what ended up on SYW. Her SYW tracks sounded more like classic Mac... a direction Lindsey was not going in for that album. Who knows, maybe they'll get it together for another go around! Let's hope! :thumbsup:

I've always thought this! Glad someone else thinks so too. If she'd done it this way round we may not all be clamouring for a new solo record as much because we'd have had new material in 2001, 2003 and 2009 (if Soundstage can be counted)? Crystal Visions just annoys me. She should have just released the videos dvd with an accompanying proper documentary or live performance rather than the cd hits collection with it's very weird tracklisting! That said, of course own it - but I only bought it for the dvd!

MacMan

08-17-2009, 08:05 AM

]Street Angel was the only of her albums to not have even make Gold.[/B] I believe the rest of Stevie's solo works are Platinum...

It's Gold. Certified in 1997. Although actual sales [last I saw] where no were near 500k.

vivfox

08-17-2009, 08:50 AM

It's Gold. Certified in 1997. Although actual sales [last I saw] where no were near 500k.

Hasn't the RIAA lowered the standard for gold and platinum status?

David

08-17-2009, 10:29 AM

First politically. Probably "bridge" isn't the right term, because I don't think she actually linked them together in the traditional "glue" sense. I think she was more of a deflector, buffer, car bumper . . . They could both turn towards her, so they didn't have to crash into each other head on as often.I think Christine's effect on how the other two interacted was at least as big on tour & onstage as it was in in the studio. From Tusk to Tango, anyway, I tend to believe Stevie wasn't around often enough for Christine's buffer function to have worked much. And the bits of things we have of studio work from the old days indicate to me that Chris & Lindsey (& Lindsey & Mick) were the sympatico pair, not Stevie & Lindsey. In old footage, I don't see Stevie & Lindsey coming together on any level (including the fan-favorite Angel footage): musical, personal, even logistical. I think he mostly ignored her, believing probably that she had very little to contribute to his particular concerns in a recording studio.

Musically, just her presence there didn't facilitate the melding of Stevie and Lindsey's musical sound to me. Christine and Lindsey probably did more for each other's music.All evidence supports this. In the Fleetwood Mac studio, Stevie was by accounts the little girl squirreling away in her fairy garden, with only occasional (& fruitless) attempts to command any attention. Chris & Lindsey, conversely, sound like co-writers & bandmates on a dozen or more tracks.

Although Lindsey may think otherwise, I don't think Christine changed the sound of Stevie's music much.To me, that's a little bit like putting the cart before the horse. Fleetwood Mac changed the sound of Stevie's music -- in drastic ways. You would never have heard a Dreams or a Gold Dust Woman or an Angel or a Gypsy treatment on any of Stevie's work with friends or session players. Fleetwood Mac's Appalachianisms (& its English blues) were the chocolate into which Stevie dipped her banana.

(I had to work that banana in there again somehow.)

michelej1

08-17-2009, 12:55 PM

To me, that's a little bit like putting the cart before the horse. Fleetwood Mac changed the sound of Stevie's music -- in drastic ways.

Lindsey's statement was:

To some degree, Stevie, left to her own devices—not necessarily on her solo albums, but in the context of Fleetwood Mac—is, if not a more masculine presence, then certainly a more aggressive presence than when she’s tempered by what Christine would bring to her songs.

I don't know what to say to that except to point out that though he can certainly be aggressive, Lindsey has spent a lot of time tempering the aggression out of people's music himself.

I love his production and I'm tired of all of that angry version Smile At You talk and I do not agree with it, but . . . honestly. If he confronted me with such a comment, I would throw that in his face.

Michele

CADreaming

08-17-2009, 05:15 PM

I think Christine's effect on how the other two interacted was at least as big on tour & onstage as it was in in the studio. From Tusk to Tango, anyway, I tend to believe Stevie wasn't around often enough for Christine's buffer function to have worked much. And the bits of things we have of studio work from the old days indicate to me that Chris & Lindsey (& Lindsey & Mick) were the sympatico pair, not Stevie & Lindsey. In old footage, I don't see Stevie & Lindsey coming together on any level (including the fan-favorite Angel footage): musical, personal, even logistical. I think he mostly ignored her, believing probably that she had very little to contribute to his particular concerns in a recording studio.

All evidence supports this. In the Fleetwood Mac studio, Stevie was by accounts the little girl squirreling away in her fairy garden, with only occasional (& fruitless) attempts to command any attention. Chris & Lindsey, conversely, sound like co-writers & bandmates on a dozen or more tracks.

To me, that's a little bit like putting the cart before the horse. Fleetwood Mac changed the sound of Stevie's music -- in drastic ways. You would never have heard a Dreams or a Gold Dust Woman or an Angel or a Gypsy treatment on any of Stevie's work with friends or session players. Fleetwood Mac's Appalachianisms (& its English blues) were the chocolate into which Stevie dipped her banana.

(I had to work that banana in there again somehow.)

This is a fascinating discussion.

But, what about Buckingham Nicks? By all practical purposes, the two did collaborate on those songs. Unless you believe that Stevie had no say whatsoever and handed her songs to Lindsey and that was that. Also, I can hear the same sort of quality in Stevie's BN tracks that would later emerge as the new FM sound. In that regard, LB's fingerprints left an indelible mark on her songs that certainly would never be matched by any cohorts to come.

Also, I can see your point about Christine, but given LB's history with Stevie (and given Christine's music expertise), one could argue Stevie pulled more rank with Lindsey prior to their joining FM. Then, Christine's pedigree threw Stevie's personal credibility out the window. (No wonder Nicks was peeved at World Turning, her world had indeed turned.)

dontlookdown

08-17-2009, 05:46 PM

I could see Nigel Godrich, Jon Brion, Ethan Johns, Daniel Lanois producing.
But I hope they don't self-produce or Lindsey-produce.

Time for something new - a whole new sound.

Otherwise, I'm afraid - it'll just be more of the same.

chiliD

08-17-2009, 05:48 PM

It's all a matter of opinion Luke. To me Murrow was Lindsey's best track on the album. Having it as the second song greatly reminded me of his song The Ledge being the 2nd track on the Tusk album which was performed right after a slow, soothing Over & Over. It worked there and it works here as far as I'm concerned. Also I doubt any casual fans are interested in new music by Fleetwood Mac. They only want to hear the hits.

To me, the tracking of Tusk was horrendous. "Over & Over" was an atrocious opening tune, it really should've CLOSED one of the sides. It's almost as if you should play the songs in reverse order...kind of how the whole mixing sessions went. I can't recall if it was Ken or Richard, but one of them said that they had a great mix, then Lindsey had them to do exactly the opposite of what they'd done. I'm intrigued to hear what Ken & Richard's initial mixes were like...I'll bet they were more "commercial" sounding than what Tusk ended up being. And, probably would've gone over a whole lot better.

With Say You Will, it just seems like when they cut it down from a proposed 2 disc set, they just deleted out the unused songs and left the running order. The "WTWCT"/"Murrow" transition sounds like there should've been a Stevie song in between (and at one point there probably was). And, later in the album, there are three Stevie songs in a row...those sound like there might have been a Lindsey song in between somewhere.

Macfanforever

08-17-2009, 05:59 PM

Wow.a new cd,I remember from some of Stevie's interviews earlier this year say she wants to slow down for awhile ,backoff on touring any other things after this tour was over which i thought this tour was going to end after the first leg.personally I guess things change,I have no idea what she and FM are doing now ,but I hope they are taking a break to get some R&R. before going to europe in october.Yes If Christine records on the new cd, that will be awesome, I just want to hear her voice again with FM again.

mylittledemon

08-17-2009, 06:06 PM

I don't see a new Fleetwood Mac album happening unless, sadly, Buckingham wants to do another one.

Peestie

08-17-2009, 06:14 PM

I don't see a new Fleetwood Mac album happening unless, sadly, Buckingham wants to do another one.
I got the impression that he is the one that most wants to do a new album. :shrug:

Tusk!

08-17-2009, 06:31 PM

Speaking of new albums, whatever happened to the big re-release of Rumours to coincide with the tour???

CADreaming

08-17-2009, 06:43 PM

I got the impression that he is the one that most wants to do a new album. :shrug:

He is the one that every night of the tour said "there's no new album - YET."

vivfox

08-17-2009, 07:06 PM

Speaking of new albums, whatever happened to the big re-release of Rumours to coincide with the tour???

The latest we hear is a September release. But believe it when you see it.

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jbrownsjr

08-17-2009, 07:20 PM

The latest we hear is a September release. But believe it when you see it.

<a href="http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd169/cielosharon/?action=view&current=stevieholdme-1.gif" target="_blank"><img src="http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd169/cielosharon/stevieholdme-1.gif" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Indeed... :shrug:

michelej1

08-17-2009, 07:23 PM

Also, I can see your point about Christine, but given LB's history with Stevie (and given Christine's music expertise), one could argue Stevie pulled more rank with Lindsey prior to their joining FM. Then, Christine's pedigree threw Stevie's personal credibility out the window. (No wonder Nicks was peeved at World Turning, her world had indeed turned.)

Cycles. With Christine gone Stevie pulls more rank now. I bet Lindsey doesn't see it that way, but he had more leverage before Chris left.

Michele

michelej1

08-17-2009, 07:45 PM

All evidence supports this. In the Fleetwood Mac studio, Stevie was by accounts the little girl squirreling away in her fairy garden, with only occasional (& fruitless) attempts to command any attention.

I would say so, one of the more interesting lines I can remember is Christine saying that Stevie got her feelings hurt sometimes because while they were still working on the instrumentation, Stevie wanted to start singing and they would tell her that they were not ready for vocals yet. So, Stevie really had nothing to do.

And Stevie said that sometimes she would be in the sound studio and they would start working on a musical part together and forget about her for hours.

I always loved Stevie's joke about Lindsey working on Tusk by himself at home, because he probably didn't want to look through the glass and get distracted by her making signs and cheerleading in the background.

This has nothing to do with music, but I always thought it a representative moment when they are all in the bleachers for the Tusk video and Stevie is standing up waving and shouting and Lindsey tugs on her dress and tells her to sit down. Christine thought that was pretty funny.

Michele

mylittledemon

08-17-2009, 08:17 PM

I got the impression that he is the one that most wants to do a new album. :shrug:

That's what I mean... it seems to be hinging on him wanting to do it. I don't see it happening, but stranger things have occured! ;)

daniellaaarisen

08-17-2009, 08:38 PM

I think they're definitely going to try. Whether or not we ever actually get an album depends on whether the band can a way to "fix" the errors of SYW. Considering I am sure they all have a very different outlook on the album.... we'll have to see what happens.

If they start taking about it and find themselves on an even keel, we should be okay.

Black_Moon

08-17-2009, 08:49 PM

I think this time if they were going to go into the studio to record, it would be better. Stevie hasn't released a new album in eight years, so if she writes as much as she says she does, she should have a bulk of songs. Lindsey's just released two solo albums pretty much off the trot, so he probably doesn't have plans for another any time soon, which means a new Fleetwood Mac album would get his full attention.

Strike while the iron's hot, as they say. As in, beginning of next year's as good a time as any to being to record.

mylittledemon

08-17-2009, 09:29 PM

And after that they can release Buckingham Nicks in 2013 and do a solo tour together.

goldustsongbird

08-17-2009, 09:33 PM

I don't want another album from them.

mylittledemon

08-17-2009, 09:35 PM

I don't want another album from them.

BEGONE! You're not a FAAAAAAN! ;)

daniellaaarisen

08-17-2009, 09:52 PM

I don't want another album from them.

Interesting. Can you explain why?

mylittledemon

08-17-2009, 09:53 PM

I just explained it above. :lol:

goldustsongbird

08-17-2009, 10:21 PM

daniellaaarisen

08-17-2009, 10:58 PM

^ I just feel like they're finished, y'know. :o

I don't think they've aged well as a band. I can't say I liked all of SYW, and if that album is an indication of the direction that they plan to go in if they record again, I'm not interested. I can't possibly imagine what else they could do, album-wise.

And, honestly, I don't enjoy listening to current Stevie that much. If it wasn't for her between-song chatter I would have had a hard time getting through Soundstage. Especially with Lindsey being as production-happy as he is when it comes to layering vocals and messing with pitch, I would hate for a sound like that to carry over to Stevie's songs. I could see them doing something like that in order to make her sound better.

Does this make any sense? I have to go to bed. :laugh:

That totally makes sense. Lindsey hoped (is hoping?) to take the band in an entirely different direction than before and I think it was a shock for people who don't really listen to his solo work. And Stevie's voice has definitely changed-- hell, they've all changed. So yes, to answer your question-- your argument makes a lot of sense.

Black_Moon

08-17-2009, 11:00 PM

mylittledemon

08-17-2009, 11:01 PM

It does make sense. I would like to see the band do something risky again... ala "Tusk"... and I don't mean a double album. I just mean in terms of their sound. ;)

louielouie2000

08-17-2009, 11:03 PM

^ I just feel like they're finished, y'know. :o

I don't think they've aged well as a band. I can't say I liked all of SYW, and if that album is an indication of the direction that they plan to go in if they record again, I'm not interested. I can't possibly imagine what else they could do, album-wise.

And, honestly, I don't enjoy listening to current Stevie that much. If it wasn't for her between-song chatter I would have had a hard time getting through Soundstage. Especially with Lindsey being as production-happy as he is when it comes to layering vocals and messing with pitch, I would hate for a sound like that to carry over to Stevie's songs. I could see them doing something like that in order to make her sound better.

Does this make any sense? I have to go to bed. :laugh:

You make perfect sense, and I think you're perfectly correct unfortunately. I think I just get so caught up on the idealistic idea that since Stevie and Lindsey's most current solo albums are the best of their respective careers, that they should be able to channel that into one hellacious Mac album. Unfortunately that's flawed logic. It's kind of like saying: I like steak. I like ice cream. So if I put ice cream on top of my steak that would be really super great! :eek:

mylittledemon

08-17-2009, 11:04 PM

I don't understand how in the time frame between "The Dance" and "Trouble in Shangri-La" Stevie's voice changed so much. It got so much more nasally, whereas her voice had been pretty much the same since 1989 before then.

It didn't change that much. The Dance after all was "supposedly" overdubbed in the studio.

As far as the nasal-y thing goes, she may be making an effort to sing differently. Also on "The Dance"...they had 3 or 4 nights to film it and really give it their all. I don't think she was holding back the pipes in that sense. From what I've seen and heard of "The Dance" TOUR...Stevie, to me, didn't sound nearly as good as she did on the The Dance CD/DVD.

louielouie2000

08-17-2009, 11:12 PM

That's what I mean... it seems to be hinging on him wanting to do it. I don't see it happening, but stranger things have occured! ;)

I disagree. Lindsey is obviously the one wanting to give it another shot. He lets that be known every night of the tour. He is the one who is retreating his position in the band, agreeing to let in an outside producer, etc. Stevie has said in the media the last several years that she won't record with the Mac again without Christine, that she hated the way her songs on SYW turned out, that she hated the power shift with her being the only woman left in the band, that she doesn't think there is any point in recording new material because no one will buy it, etc etc etc. STEVIE is the one who a new album hinges on. I suspect some of this is just her spouting off, trying to steer the band and Lindsey back in a direction she's more comfortable with, and to regain some sort of feminine power in the band with Christine's absence. But will the Mac record again? I just have my doubts at this point. :(

daniellaaarisen

08-17-2009, 11:14 PM

It does make sense. I would like to see the band do something risky again... ala "Tusk"... and I don't mean a double album. I just mean in terms of their sound. ;)

Yes-- without a very distinct Lindsey solo sound overtaking the record. I think that most of his SYW tracks were great, but a little too much for Fleetwood Mac. This could be partially attributed to the production.... but the thing is that Tusk sounded like a Fleetwood Mac album, a joined work despite the riskiness of it.

Meh, I really really hope they pull this off.

daniellaaarisen

08-17-2009, 11:20 PM

I disagree. Lindsey is obviously the one wanting to give it another shot. He lets that be known every night of the tour. He is the one who is retreating his position in the band, agreeing to let in an outside producer, etc. Stevie has said in the media the last several years that she won't record with the Mac again without Christine, that she hated the way her songs on SYW turned out, that she hated the power shift with her being the only woman left in the band, that she doesn't think there is any point in recording new material because no one will buy it, etc etc etc. STEVIE is the one who a new album hinges on. I suspect some of this is just her spouting off, trying to steer the band and Lindsey back in a direction she's more comfortable with, and to regain some sort of feminine power in the band with Christine's absence. But will the Mac record again? I just have my doubts at this point. :(

At the same time, Stevie has been hands down the most loyal to Mac of all three of the songwriters. Even thought she really didn't need them after her solo work took off, she still made time for Mirage.... Tango in the Night...

Mick has said it before, and I believe it. I think she really does want to keep the band together. After some turbulance with Say You Will, I think she is more likely to be obstinate about getting what she wants out of a new record rather than skip out on it entirely.

mylittledemon

08-18-2009, 12:07 AM

At the same time, Stevie has been hands down the most loyal to Mac of all three of the songwriters. Even thought she really didn't need them after her solo work took off, she still made time for Mirage.... Tango in the Night...

I'd say Christine was the most loyal, but whoops, she's left the band. ;)

LouieLouie... what I meant by that comment about Lindsey and everything "hinging" on him is that, I believe he wants to make another Fleetwood Mac album...but let's hope it stays that way.

And Daniella...in terms of a "new" Mac album not verging too much on Lindsey-solo-ala-Tusk... That is KIND OF hard to do now...what with Lindsey and Stevie being the only two left in the balancing act. :shrug:

daniellaaarisen

08-18-2009, 12:31 AM

I'd say Christine was the most loyal, but whoops, she's left the band. ;)

Christine didn't have anything tempting her away, really. Not in the 70s and 80s. Stevie had a successful solo career that Mick has called a typical "death wish" for a band.

So yeah, Christine may have been more loyal but I think Stevie's loyalty is a bigger feat.

And Danielle...in terms of a "new" Mac album not verging too much on Lindsey-solo-ala-Tusk... That is KIND OF hard to do now...what with Lindsey and Stevie being the only two left in the balancing act. :shrug:

Tusk is my favorite FM album, I think, so its not as much about keeping commercial as it is keeping a united sound. They can do whatever crazy **** they want with the next album as long as it is unified. I just think they need to hit a middle, and none of Lindsey's recent solo work has a middle. It's going to take collaboration and sacrifice on both sides... they can balance it despite Christine's absence if they try.

LukeA

08-18-2009, 12:33 AM

Oh, whatever. Stevie circa 1982 still needed Fleetwood Mac as much as they needed her. Sure, she had her burgeoning solo career, but would her second solo album have sold as much as it did if the FM connection had been severed?

Plus, lets not understate Christine McVie's popularity in 1981. She very easily could have had a #1 album in 1981, as Stevie did.

mylittledemon

08-18-2009, 12:36 AM

daniellaaarisen

08-18-2009, 12:51 AM

daniellaaarisen

08-18-2009, 12:52 AM

Tis true. And Christine had a really popular solo record in 1984...which remains a good pop album. All star musicians and catchy tunes! I think her contribution to the Mac has been key, even if it has been overshadowed by Buckingham/Nicks. Now don't get me wrong, you know I love Stevie and Buck... but I think Fleetwood Mac works better with Christine. I think it's hard and will continue to be difficult for Lindsey and Stevie to strike the balance you're looking for. But, I hope they CAN do it! ;)

I think that the band is significantly better with Christine, too. BUT I do have faith in Lindsey and Stevie's ability to make it work if they leave their egos on the coatrack by the door and create a new record with unity at the forefront of their minds.

mylittledemon

08-18-2009, 01:00 AM

That's the crux of the matter isn't it? Whether they can make an album that seems unified? I wonder if getting a little bit more loose with Mick and John might help? Who can say?

I think it might help if Lindsey and Stevie approached writing new material together? I think if they could come up with something at least as cohesive as Buckingham Nicks, we might have something on our hands. I agree that SYW felt too much like a puzzle put together incorrectly... And having a new blood producer on the project would allow Lindsey perhaps to step back and look at Stevie from a different perspective and (including his own material) in a different light.

David

08-18-2009, 01:18 AM

I think that most of his SYW tracks were great, but a little too much for Fleetwood Mac. This could be partially attributed to the production.... but the thing is that Tusk sounded like a Fleetwood Mac album, a joined work despite the riskiness of it.Tusk sounded more cohesive stylistically because 1) it was tracked almost entirely within the space of a single year in a single studio, & 2) Fleetwood Mac themselves were the only producers & players. (Ken Caillat, Richard Dashut, & -- ever so slightly -- Hernan Rojas were the only engineers, & they were all part of the "family" & knew Mac's sound -- helped create it -- on Rumours.)

Say You Will on the other hand was helmed by a ****load of people: three main producers (Lindsey, Rob Cavallo, John Shanks), five different engineers, two separate mixing men, & five other musicians laying down tracks, not counting Christine (Sheryl Crow, Jamie Muhoberac, Dave Palmer, John Pierce, & John Shanks).

The tracks used on the album were also recorded over a span of at least eight years, possibly longer, in various locations.

If the band wants to sound "unified" on a new album, they're going to have to record it from the ground up (no bringing in old tracks & parts of tracks) in the same locale, using the same equipment, & throw the party of additionals out the door.

carrie721

08-18-2009, 01:20 AM

If the band wants to sound "unified" on a new album, they're going to have to record it from the ground up (no bringing in old tracks & parts of tracks) in the same locale, using the same equipment, & throw the party of additionals out the door.

also they have to stop being douchebags.

daniellaaarisen

08-18-2009, 01:25 AM

mylittledemon

08-18-2009, 01:28 AM

The tracks used on the album were also recorded over a span of at least eight years, possibly longer, in various locations.

If the band wants to sound "unified" on a new album, they're going to have to record it from the ground up (no bringing in old tracks & parts of tracks) in the same locale, using the same equipment, & throw the party of additionals out the door.

I dont know if thats possible anymore? I think it'd be "new territory" for them to try and collaborate more (as I said, Stevie and Lindsey writing stuff together)... Then again, they've never really done that. I think there's definitely somewhere left for this band to go... I'm just not so sure how they're gonna get there. ;)

louielouie2000

08-18-2009, 01:34 AM

Tusk sounded more cohesive stylistically because 1) it was tracked almost entirely within the space of a single year in a single studio, & 2) Fleetwood Mac themselves were the only producers & players. (Ken Caillat, Richard Dashut, & -- ever so slightly -- Hernan Rojas were the only engineers, & they were all part of the "family" & knew Mac's sound -- helped create it -- on Rumours.)

Say You Will on the other hand was helmed by a ****load of people: three main producers (Lindsey, Rob Cavallo, John Shanks), five different engineers, two separate mixing men, & five other musicians laying down tracks, not counting Christine (Sheryl Crow, Jamie Muhoberac, Dave Palmer, John Pierce, & John Shanks).

The tracks used on the album were also recorded over a span of at least eight years, possibly longer, in various locations.

If the band wants to sound "unified" on a new album, they're going to have to record it from the ground up (no bringing in old tracks & parts of tracks) in the same locale, using the same equipment, & throw the party of additionals out the door.

Now that you put it like that, it lays everything into context much better. I believe all of Lindsey's original GOS tracks from the '90s have now found homes between SYW, UTS, and GOS itself. He's effectively flushed that vein out of his system, and can in theory start fresh. Stevie by nature has to start fresh with every album, as she plays no instruments. She brings rough demos to the table, but as we heard in the Destiny Rules doc, her songs change substantially from that initial starting point. The good news is with GOS, Lindsey made his most consistent, well balanced album to date, and you could even say it was his most cohesive, balanced material since his Fleetwood Mac body of work from the '70s. He'd definitely be starting out on the right foot with forward motion from GOS. :thumbsup:

Who knows, maybe the fumbled effort that is SYW will only push them to get it together and do it right next time around. I suspect neither Stevie nor Lindsey would want SYW to be the Mac's closing note. Whether or not they can all actually find common ground and a common vision to correct that is what will remain to be seen.

iamnotafraid

08-18-2009, 02:04 AM

Stevie has said in the media the that she hated the way her songs on SYW turned out.

She's not the only one who felt that way about her work on SYW.

The girl needs to bring some better songs to the table.

Doesn't matter who the producer is if all he has to work with is crap.

(I'm running now)

jbrownsjr

08-18-2009, 02:29 AM

also they have to stop being douchebags.

Somebody's spot on once again lol...

Black_Moon

08-18-2009, 11:48 AM

I also think they should go back to that sound that made them famous, or at least the Buckingham Nicks era of Fleetwood Mac. Get rid of the gimmicks that were prominent on "Say You Will", which in say ten years will not have stood the test of time well, and make a more organic Californian rock sound. They had their own style, which made the song instantly indentifiable with the band before anyone started singing. The only reason why a listener would know "Say You Will" was a Fleetwood Mac album (bar the likes of "Destiny Rules" and "Thrown Down") was because they could hear Stevie and/or Lindsey singing.

michelej1

08-18-2009, 12:15 PM

So yeah, Christine may have been more loyal but I think Stevie's loyalty is a bigger feat.

I would say that Stevie was only "most loyal" to the band, in the sense that she didn't leave it. I would never call her contributions to TITN more loyal than Lindsey or Christine's.

And I certainly don't think Stevie sacrificed more than they did for the band.

As far as her needing the band less than Christine or Lindsey did, that depends on how you define "need." If you mean she needed the band to sell out concerts and to make money as a solo artist less than they did, you're definitely correct. She had a name value of her own.

Financially, I don't think they needed the money more than she did. So, they needed FM for its star power, to sell records. At the time, I don't think their "need" to be with FM was greater in any other sense than that.

Right now, I would say that yes what Lindsey wants from his career today makes him desire and need Fleetwood Mac more than Stevie (possibly more than John too, I don't know what John wants), but I don't think that was true in the eighties or nineties, not it in the least.

After SYW came out, even when they were still doing the publicity for SYW, Lindsey said that he wanted to work on a FM album from the ground up and that he wanted them to put out songs that were written with the band in mind from the start, so he had some sense on how to make something more cohesive back then. Hopefully, they follow through.

Michele

The Chain

08-18-2009, 01:36 PM

After SYW came out, even when they were still doing the publicity for SYW, Lindsey said that he wanted to work on a FM album from the ground up and that he wanted them to put out songs that were written with the band in mind from the start, so he had some sense on how to make something more cohesive back then. Hopefully, they follow through.

Michele

Anyone have any quotes from interviews, press confrences, etc.. with stuff like this being talked about? I would love to read what they were saying back then about another album, and compare it to what's being said now:nod:

louielouie2000

08-18-2009, 01:41 PM

She's not the only one who felt that way about her work on SYW.

The girl needs to bring some better songs to the table.

Doesn't matter who the producer is if all he has to work with is crap.

(I'm running now)

I tend to agree with you to a degree here. She should never have drug out such ancient songs as Goodbye Baby, Running Through The Garden, or Smile At You and expected them to halfway go with what Lindsey brought to the table. Say You Will was just fluff, and Silver Girl was just bad. While I'm not 100% nuts with the way Illume turned out, I absolutely LOVE the story and sentiment behind the song, and I love what the song was going for. To me, it's the only of Stevie's songs on SYW that seemed to be a true band effort... she was absolutely pushing her sound envelope, and for her this was a truly experimental track. Mick or Lindsey called it her Gold Dust Woman of the '90s, and there may be some merit to that.

On a more positive note, I can't express enough how much I ADORE Destiny Rules. I really do put it right up there with Gypsy... it's just classic Stevie through and through, and defines everything that I love about Fleetwood Mac. I love Not Make Believe nearly as much... it's a shame it didn't make the album. Thrown Down is a good effort too, but I still prefer the original 'wall of sound' take from TISL.

I think the one the we can all agree on is this: Lindsey doesn't need to bring fully finished songs to the table next time around, and Stevie needs to leave her dusty '70s and '80s demos at home! Except for If You Were My Love :D.

louielouie2000

08-18-2009, 01:49 PM

I would say that Stevie was only "most loyal" to the band, in the sense that she didn't leave it.

I don't know why people keep saying this, because it just isn't true. Is everyone forgetting the time period of 1990-1997??

Truly, one could almost argue Christine was far more 'loyal.' She stuck with the band through multiple lineups, through anonymity, riches and poor, she stayed after her divorce from the band member who brought her into the group to begin with, kept traveling for decades with the band despite her fear of flying, and gave 30 years of her prime to the band that in many senses took her for granted.

I think if you were to place Stevie and Christine side by side, Chris is the one who stuck with the band through thick and thin. She was there for years before the band became a household name, and only left to retire from the business. Stevie left the band in '90 out of personal disagreements.

Fleetwoodmark

08-18-2009, 02:15 PM

michelej1

08-18-2009, 02:19 PM

Anyone have any quotes from interviews, press confrences, etc.. with stuff like this being talked about? I would love to read what they were saying back then about another album, and compare it to what's being said now:nod:

Yeah, Lindsey was talking about more work with Fleetwood Mac non-stop. In fact, at the time he said that he didn't even really see the need to put out more solo work, if FM could continue. As far as finding those interviews goes . . . I grow old. I grow old. I shall wear the bottom of my trousers rolled. I will look, but I'm weary and feeble. And lazy.

Stevie was not talking about a new album from FM, during the SYW period. The most hope she gave us on that score was this year.

Michele

Cornflake Girl

08-18-2009, 02:26 PM

She's not the only one who felt that way about her work on SYW.

The girl needs to bring some better songs to the table.

Doesn't matter who the producer is if all he has to work with is crap.

(I'm running now)

(puts on running shoes)

I'm with you. I guess it's a matter of taste, but I think she's written better songs that will likely never see the light of day, such as The Dealer, Forsaken Love, Space Needle. A re-work of any of those songs would, for me, have been more favourable than most of her songs on SYW (and the albums after Mirage to be very honest).

BombaySapphire3

08-18-2009, 02:31 PM

I think Christine and Lindsey were more loyal than Stevie.

Stevie kept songs for herself such as E of 17, Stand Back etc which could have been good hits for FM.

It is true that Nicks only participated in the recording of TITN for a matter of days ,likely less than 2 weeks whereas it was an 18 month recording process.With Mirage she was in France with the band for six weeks.As far as Edge and Stand Back to be fair both of those songs were penned midway through production of BD and WH respectively so it's not like she squirrled them away from Fleetwood Mac.

Cornflake Girl

08-18-2009, 02:34 PM

I think Christine and Lindsey were more loyal than Stevie.

Stevie kept songs for herself such as E of 17, Stand Back etc which could have been good hits for FM.

What if:

SYW didn't happen, instead Christine returned and made an album and it turned out like this:

1, Did you Miss Me
2, Friend
3, Planets of the Universe
4, Love Runs Deeper
5, Sorcerer
6, Fall from Grace
7, Right place to Fade
8, Love is
9, You are
10, Underground

That would sell millions.

I'm not sure if Stevie purposefully kept the 'best' songs to herself. There are demos of an early version of Planets of the Universe from the Rumours era for example. I think it's possibly the case that she offers them to the band and they aren't so keen, or it just doesn't work, so she keeps them for her solo work where she has more freedom.

That track list looks brilliant but we know the songs as solo efforts, they might have turned out completely differently were threy Fleetwood Mac songs.

michelej1

08-18-2009, 02:36 PM

I don't know why people keep saying this, because it just isn't true. Is everyone forgetting the time period of 1990-1997??

Yes, I am forgetting it. In fact, I lost consciousness in August 1987 and was not revived until 1997.

However, Stevie did not leave the band in 1990. She was on tour with the band throughout 1990.

As for her loyalty to the band, if I made a list of FM members who were most loyal to the band, I'm not even sure Stevie would crack the Top 5.

If the argument is that Stevie was more popular with the public than Lindsey and Christine and so her staying to grace those slugs with her magical presence meant more than anyone else being in the band meant, well . . .

Michele

michelej1

08-18-2009, 02:43 PM

I'm not sure if Stevie purposefully kept the 'best' songs to herself. There are demos of an early version of Planets of the Universe from the Rumours era for example. I think it's possibly the case that she offers them to the band and they aren't so keen, or it just doesn't work, so she keeps them for her solo work where she has more freedom.

Yes, when Stevie said she gave Lindsey her songs for SYW, she said she was surprised that he hadn't heard them before, because she just assumed he'd heard everything she'd written. Lindsey clearly knew about POTU and Sorcerer. The band had Think About It, passed on Smile At You. I think she probably did offer FM a lot of her songs -- or even if she didn't offer, the songs were available to FM. Lindsey just took The Chain. If he knew of something else she had that he wanted to work with, he would have taken that too. I don't think they were interested in a lot of her solo material.

As stellar as it is, given the chance, FM probably wouldn't have used EO17.

Michele

HejiraNYC

08-18-2009, 03:33 PM

I tend to agree with you to a degree here. She should never have drug out such ancient songs as Goodbye Baby, Running Through The Garden, or Smile At You and expected them to halfway go with what Lindsey brought to the table. Say You Will was just fluff, and Silver Girl was just bad. While I'm not 100% nuts with the way Illume turned out, I absolutely LOVE the story and sentiment behind the song, and I love what the song was going for. To me, it's the only of Stevie's songs on SYW that seemed to be a true band effort... she was absolutely pushing her sound envelope, and for her this was a truly experimental track. Mick or Lindsey called it her Gold Dust Woman of the '90s, and there may be some merit to that.

On a more positive note, I can't express enough how much I ADORE Destiny Rules. I really do put it right up there with Gypsy... it's just classic Stevie through and through, and defines everything that I love about Fleetwood Mac. I love Not Make Believe nearly as much... it's a shame it didn't make the album. Thrown Down is a good effort too, but I still prefer the original 'wall of sound' take from TISL.

I think the one the we can all agree on is this: Lindsey doesn't need to bring fully finished songs to the table next time around, and Stevie needs to leave her dusty '70s and '80s demos at home! Except for If You Were My Love :D.

So it sounds like you at loved or at least liked strongly 4 or 5 of Stevie's songs, which is actually higher than her average contributions to FM albums. So with some drastic editing, one could make the case that Stevie's contributions to SYW were among her strongest ever. I do agree that "Silver Girl" stunk up the joint so badly that it actually negated the good songs she contributed. But then again, Stevie cannot be singled out- of all of the GoS songs he had to choose from, I think Lindsey basically took out the trash and dumped it on SYW. In an ideal world, SYW should have looked like this:

1. Someone's Gonna Change Your Mind
2. Illume
3. Down on Rodeo
4. Thrown Down
5. Red Rover
6. Destiny Rules
7. Gift of Screws
8. Say You Will
9. Right Time to Fade
10. Everybody Finds Out
11. I Am Waiting
12. Goodbye Baby

Dodfather

08-18-2009, 04:09 PM

So it sounds like you at loved or at least liked strongly 4 or 5 of Stevie's songs, which is actually higher than her average contributions to FM albums. So with some drastic editing, one could make the case that Stevie's contributions to SYW were among her strongest ever. I do agree that "Silver Girl" stunk up the joint so badly that it actually negated the good songs she contributed. But then again, Stevie cannot be singled out- of all of the GoS songs he had to choose from, I think Lindsey basically took out the trash and dumped it on SYW. In an ideal world, SYW should have looked like this:

1. Someone's Gonna Change Your Mind
2. Illume
3. Down on Rodeo
4. Thrown Down
5. Red Rover
6. Destiny Rules
7. Gift of Screws
8. Say You Will
9. Right Time to Fade
10. Everybody Finds Out
11. I Am Waiting
12. Goodbye Baby

That is one damn good track list! I'd replace Red Rover with Come or Did You Miss Me though. Otherwise...Hell yeah!!

daniellaaarisen

08-18-2009, 04:24 PM

I would say that Stevie was only "most loyal" to the band, in the sense that she didn't leave it. I would never call her contributions to TITN more loyal than Lindsey or Christine's.

And I certainly don't think Stevie sacrificed more than they did for the band.

I completely agree with this. Her contributions weren't any more self-sacrificing and consistent but she would always be back in the studio at some point for a new record and she would never bail on a tour.

As usual, you take the words out of my mouth.

"Loyal" may have been the wrong word on my part-- Louie's summary of Christine's loyalty to the band definitely proves that she blows Stevie out of the water in that category, and I completely agree with that. I do think, however, that we can't discredit Stevie's presence throughout all the albums and tours since Rumours.

mylittledemon

08-18-2009, 04:35 PM

I completely agree with this. Her contributions weren't any more self-sacrificing and consistent but she would always be back in the studio at some point for a new record and she would never bail on a tour.

As usual, you take the words out of my mouth.

"Loyal" may have been the wrong word on my part-- Louie's summary of Christine's loyalty to the band definitely proves that she blows Stevie out of the water in that category, and I completely agree with that. I do think, however, that we can't discredit Stevie's presence throughout all the albums and tours since Rumours.

HAHA... Riiiight. Like Stevie was "back in the studio" hardcore for Tango in the Night. Yeeaaah. ;)

Stevie did leave the band I believe in 1991? All the way thru to The Dance...

And while I hate that Lindsey backed out of the Tango tour, at least we've got him back in the band now.

daniellaaarisen

08-18-2009, 04:45 PM

HAHA... Riiiight. Like Stevie was "back in the studio" hardcore for Tango in the Night. Yeeaaah. ;)

Stevie did leave the band I believe in 1991? All the way thru to The Dance...

And while I hate that Lindsey backed out of the Tango tour, at least we've got him back in the band now.

She made an appearance for Tango in the Night even though it was a weak effort on her part. And leaving from 1991-1997 was because of "health issues".

As I said, Christine was more loyal, I agree. I just think we can't discredit Stevie for her own efforts with the band.

mylittledemon

08-18-2009, 04:51 PM

She made an appearance for Tango in the Night even though it was a weak effort on her part. And leaving from 1991-1997 was because of "health issues".

Health? She left 'cause she was pissed at Mick over not giving her Silver Springs to put on TimeSpace. Stevie's been quoted as saying that, if I recall correctly.

goldustsongbird

08-18-2009, 05:20 PM

That totally makes sense. Lindsey hoped (is hoping?) to take the band in an entirely different direction than before and I think it was a shock for people who don't really listen to his solo work. And Stevie's voice has definitely changed-- hell, they've all changed. So yes, to answer your question-- your argument makes a lot of sense.

I actually love Lindsey's solo work, but his sound might work only for him. There was some Lindsification of Stevie's songs on SYW (Smile at You, for example - god I hate that ****.)

I don't understand how in the time frame between "The Dance" and "Trouble in Shangri-La" Stevie's voice changed so much. It got so much more nasally, whereas her voice had been pretty much the same since 1989 before then.

Her TISL voice is okay. I love the way she sounded from about 1994-1999. Deeper voice, still some vibrato and "Stevie sound." She has really lost that now.

You make perfect sense, and I think you're perfectly correct unfortunately. I think I just get so caught up on the idealistic idea that since Stevie and Lindsey's most current solo albums are the best of their respective careers, that they should be able to channel that into one hellacious Mac album. Unfortunately that's flawed logic. It's kind of like saying: I like steak. I like ice cream. So if I put ice cream on top of my steak that would be really super great! :eek:

I'd be interested if Stevie put out a solo album. Whether or not I'd *like* it, I can't say, but I'd check it out. But as someone else said, it would be hard to create a cohesive sound (for the Mac) if you're trying to cram all of these different personalities into songs. Over time, they've been less and less able to do that, especially with Chris being gone.

It is true that Nicks only participated in the recording of TITN for a matter of days ,likely less than 2 weeks whereas it

She also recorded at least a few of the TITN songs in 1985/86, like Seven Wonders.

BombaySapphire3

08-18-2009, 05:26 PM

She also recorded at least a few of the TITN songs in 1985/86, like Seven Wonders.

Yep in fact Seven Wonders was recorded c. Halloween of 1986 making it the last songe she ever recorded during the "coke and brandy" years as she went into Betty Ford days later.I think cumuatively her participation in the Tango sessions probably totalled 7 to 10 days.A nice paycheck for that amount of work considering the album's international sales of around 8 million.

goldustsongbird

08-18-2009, 05:30 PM

Yep in fact Seven Wonders was recorded c. Halloween of 1986 making it the last songe she ever recorded during the "coke and brandy" years as she went into Betty Ford days later.I think cumuatively her participation in the Tango sessions probably totalled 7 to 10 days.A nice paycheck for that amount of work considering the album's international sales of around 8 million.

When it comes to vocals, I think SW is the last great song she recorded with FM.

BombaySapphire3

08-18-2009, 05:34 PM

When it comes to vocals, I think SW is the last great song she recorded with FM.

It is a special song as it's vocal marked the end of the era that undoubtedly produced her greatest performances and songs.

Black_Moon

08-18-2009, 06:36 PM

So it sounds like you at loved or at least liked strongly 4 or 5 of Stevie's songs, which is actually higher than her average contributions to FM albums. So with some drastic editing, one could make the case that Stevie's contributions to SYW were among her strongest ever. I do agree that "Silver Girl" stunk up the joint so badly that it actually negated the good songs she contributed. But then again, Stevie cannot be singled out- of all of the GoS songs he had to choose from, I think Lindsey basically took out the trash and dumped it on SYW. In an ideal world, SYW should have looked like this:

1. Someone's Gonna Change Your Mind
2. Illume
3. Down on Rodeo
4. Thrown Down
5. Red Rover
6. Destiny Rules
7. Gift of Screws
8. Say You Will
9. Right Time to Fade
10. Everybody Finds Out
11. I Am Waiting
12. Goodbye Baby

Switch "Goodbye Baby" with "Running Through The Garden", put "Destiny Rules" as the last song and then that would be the perfect album in my opinion.

Black_Moon

08-18-2009, 06:38 PM

Her TISL voice is okay. I love the way she sounded from about 1994-1999. Deeper voice, still some vibrato and "Stevie sound." She has really lost that now.

That's sort of the time era I meant. I love how her voice sounds on "Street Angel". Sure, the album's **** but at least her voice sounds amazing. I think those vocal lessons she started getting around 1998 have been more of a hinderence than a help.

CADreaming

08-18-2009, 08:00 PM

When it comes to vocals, I think SW is the last great song she recorded with FM.

Funny, I just heard this on the radio and was reminded how good I think it sounds.

michelej1

08-18-2009, 11:03 PM

This is one of the "ground up" comments that I was remembering. Lindsey said it to USA Today in April 2003:

I've built a studio in my new house, and I'd love for Stevie and myself to sit down and do some stuff from the ground up with two-part harmonies. If we had one complaint about this album, it's that we used a lot of older material, and a lot of mine was set in stone. Co-writing would be interesting. We've never done that.

Also, here's a totally unrelated comment I was just reading of John's:

Stevie's come into her own as a writer, and she's a much stronger singer. Lindsey still pulls sutff out of the hat; he's an amazing guitar player, but he never gets recognized for that. And even though he's the band's producer, he hides his voice a bit. Mick and I are always mentioning, with timid little voices, 'We can't really hear your voicals, Lindsey.'

That's interesting to me. I hear Lindsey's voice on FM stuff. It's his outside work where I can't hear him. For instance, I cannot hear him on Egan's work. I hear him on Where's the Party and that's about it. I don't think he hides his voice in FM. Of course, he's always altering it.

Michele

iamnotafraid

08-19-2009, 12:16 AM

I've got an idea. For the next Fleetwood Mac album Stevie should
get up out of the chair and belt out a few songs. I know there's a
big difference in her age, but watch the Tusk Documentary where
she's recording "Angel". And then watch Destiny Rules, I can't
remember which song she's singing, but she's sitting down. Unless
you're playing an instrument, it would be nice if the person putting
down vocals would stand up and put a little energy into it.

"Thrown.........down.......like...a ba.....", hey I think I need to sit
down.