Say You Will

[tr1]

So I finally went to buy "Say You Will". For some reason I never got it. But I was dying to hear "Say Goodbye". So I go to the record store (yes, a record store) in Pasadena, Ca. I find a used CD for $8.99. But it's just a plain cover. Not the picture cover. So I start whining to the guy if that's the only one they have and could they check if they have a cover for it. He says no and I buy it anyways. Now at this store they keep the actual CD packages behind the counter. So he gives it to me and it looks like a little book. The pictures are all glossy and clear and it has a second CD with a few extra songs. I guess it was the deluxe edition which I didn't know existed. Needless to say, I am now very happy and listening to it. But I must say I think I prefer the live version of "Say Goodbye". The best live version being from the DVD of the show in Boston in 2004. I wish that one was on the CD for that DVD. It's the most emotional one I've heard. That's what made me fall in love with that song. Anyways, just my little story.

[fleetwoodtrick]

:) It took me a long time to buy SYW too. But I love it.

[EnchantedKiwi]

The Album version of Say Goodbye is very odd. I don't know what compelled Lindsey to have the song at that speed?

Say You Will was the second Fleetwood Mac album i bought after Tango in the night weirdly enough.

[mylittledemon]

Tri,

Check out the live version of "Say Goodbye" from the special edition of Buckingham's "Under the Skin" (It was also the same version on his SoundStage DVD) ;)

[daniellaaarisen]

Just because we're talking about this recording...

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It KILLS ME every time.

[mylittledemon]

I prefer dis' a one:

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[GODDESS6]

awww you guys are bringing up such great memories of the say you will tour:thumbsup:~

i love this song~ it's very sweet~

[tr1]

I love this album now, too, after listening to it last night.
So my ears aren't crazy, Say Goodbye does sound fast on the CD. Lindsey sounds like he has to rush some of his phrasing.
Does anyone know if there are any MP3's of any of these 2 live versions of this song? I think when they do it live it is one of Lindsey's best EVER. It stands up to any of his classic work. It's heart wrenching.

[cristochango]

this is pretty funny that you just bought say you will too, I bought it on itunes last night, couldnt find it in any stores

[Musicman408]

Say You Will is where all of the Mac Magic started for me, so it brings back a lot of very positive memories!!!! :nod:

[kak125]

I love say you will so much. I just started listening to it again and its still so darn good. Say Goodbye is such a beautiful song and I love the live version so much more than the cd version. My hubby who isnt even a Mac fan absolutely loves this song. Oh how I remember the Say You Will tour so well. I saw them 3 times and that probably was the only time I will ever get to see them so many times on one tour or shall I say that was the only time I could afford to.

[StreetAngel86]

The Album version of Say Goodbye is very odd. I don't know what compelled Lindsey to have the song at that speed?

Say You Will was the second Fleetwood Mac album i bought after Tango in the night weirdly enough.



i got mine mid 2003
i think after The very Best cd
[it was my 2nd Mac cd too btw i think]
i had no idea there was a new cd
and i was soooooooooooooo excited
coz i was really just getting hooked on the Mac
it's still my favorite Mac album
i know heaps of ppl overall dont think it's very good or consistent
or wotever
but i think it's brilliant
and i was never really an LB fan
but i equally like his songs on there as i do stevie's :D
i just dont really like WTWCT or Silver Girl...used to but not so much now
EFO/Murrow/DR/Thrown Down, Say Goodbye.......top notch awesomeness :nod:
and RTTG is just it's own special lil song :p

what's ur top 5?

[cristochango]

My favorites from listenin to this are

Thrown Down
Say You Will
Peacekeeper
Smile at You
Running through the garden
Steal your heart away
Everybody finds out
Destiny rules
Say goodbye

I dont think i've liked that many songs on a fleetwood album other than tusk

[Black_Moon]

Top five favourites -
"Running Through The Garden"
"Illume"
"Destiny Rules"
"Come"
"Thrown Down"

[daniellaaarisen]

I love:

"Murrow Turning Over In His Grave"
"Thrown Down"
"Red Rover"
"Everybody Finds Out"
"Destiny Rules"
"Bleed To Love Her"
"Say Goodbye"
"Goodbye Baby"

But honestly, I adore the entire album. Minus "Silver Girl".

[mylittledemon]

6 years on... I still think "Thrown Down" is the best track on the album, followed by "Bleed to Love her"

[tr1]

Oh yeah, I love Bleed To Love Her. I loved it on The Dance CD and glad they did a studio recording of it.
Does anybody know how well the Say You Will Album did? Did it sell a lot. There's a lot of great songs that could have easily been singles on it. I can't wait for the next album.

[mylittledemon]

I'm thinking it got close to a million units??

[LukeA]

"Say Goodbye" was far more pure and poignant as a Lindsey solo recording (where it remains one of my very favorites) than it is on SYW, with Stevie's mawkish, cartoonish "duet" vocal tacked on.

Live, its just comes off as another canned, "powerful" S/L moment for the fans/shippers. Slow and boring.

[bucklind17]

I've come to appreciate this album a lot more over time. I really do love it now, even if it took some getting used to.

My top five tracks:
5. Bleed to Love Her
4. Miranda
3. Red Rover
2. Say Goodbye
1. Everybody Finds Out

I should say, "Bleed to Love Her" is my favorite Fleetwood Mac song, period. I'm just so very partial to the version from The Dance, and while I do love this version, the song isn't in the #1 spot for this album because The Dance version gets so much extra love (and listening).

[Peestie]

"Say Goodbye" was far more pure and poignant as a Lindsey solo recording (where it remains one of my very favorites) than it is on SYW, with Stevie's mawkish, cartoonish "duet" vocal tacked on.

Live, its just comes off as another canned, "powerful" S/L moment for the fans/shippers. Slow and boring.

I agree about the solo version being better than the one where they've just tacked Stevie in. The GOS version is also slightly clearer sonically. I don't know if that has to do with adding in more vocals or if it's the super-loud mastering job but there's more space in the un-mastered solo version.

[Dodfather]

As some of you no doubt know from my 'Lets Talk About...' thread on the Stevie board, for me it just doesn't get any better than Thrown Down on this album. Of course there are some other GREAT songs there too...Come, Say You Will, Destiny Rules, Murrow... but Thrown Down is just fantastic.

[Ulpian]

It took me a long time to like this album, primarily because of the absence of Christine on all but two tracks. For a while I was just not comfortable with the sound and the almost schizophrenic switch between the Lindsey and Stevie songs, without a 'happy medium'.

Now, I appreciate the work as a whole, although I think there are some utter clangers ('Silver Girl', for example and I can't stand 'Red Rover'). Stand out tracks for me are:-

5. Murrow Turning Over In His Grave
4. Say You Will
3. Peacekeeper
2. Steal Your Heart Away
1. Bleed to Love Her

[StreetAngel86]

I've come to appreciate this album a lot more over time. I really do love it now, even if it took some getting used to.

My top five tracks:
5. Bleed to Love Her
4. Miranda
3. Red Rover
2. Say Goodbye
1. Everybody Finds Out

I should say, "Bleed to Love Her" is my favorite Fleetwood Mac song, period. I'm just so very partial to the version from The Dance, and while I do love this version, the song isn't in the #1 spot for this album because The Dance version gets so much extra love (and listening).

i prefer the Dance version of Bleed to Love Her too...
but it's still good on SYW just not AS good :D

[Erin]

i prefer the Dance version of Bleed to Love Her too...
but it's still good on SYW just not AS good :D

At first I missed the whoah, whoah, whoah Dance ending, but I really came to love the guitar work at the end on the Say You Will ending. So if the versions could be combined that would be the ultimate BTLH.

[seekerj]

('Silver Girl', for example and I can't stand 'Red Rover').

Wow, "Red Rover" is my favorite song on the album. That and "Illume".

[Black_Moon]

Wow, "Red Rover" is my favorite song on the album. That and "Illume".

I love "Red Rover" too, especially the heavy reverb. It's a great, great song. One of my favourites of Lindsey's off the album.

[BellaDonna]

My fav's on the album are...
Thrown Down

Goodbye Baby
Say Goodbye
Come
Steal Your Heart Away

[vivfox]

I love the whole album but if I was allowed to have only one track by Stevie and one by Lindsey, they would be Running Through The Garden and Murrow Turning Over In His Grave.

[mylittledemon]

Wow, "Red Rover" is my favorite song on the album. That and "Illume".

HA! Those are my 2 least faves...along with Miranda. ;)

[GavinBrown]

I remember skipping class to buy SYW in college...haha. I drove all around town to jam out with it in my car...I think it is in my top 3 overall favorite mac albums...following Tusk and Rumours. I think it had a lot of great gems on it....The only songs i really skip over are:
Murrow
Red Rover
Silver Girl

[Black_Moon]

There are a couple of "****ters" on the album, those in my opinion being "Peacekeeper" - my least favourite song on the entire album, I hate it and will always ask why it was chose as a single over say "Steal Your Heart Away" which is classic Fleetwood Mac style - "Silver Girl" (any song about Sheryl Crow is enough to make me vomit) - and I've never been overly impressed with "Miranda" either.

[Dodfather]

There are a couple of "****ters" on the album, those in my opinion being "Peacekeeper" - my least favourite song on the entire album, I hate it and will always ask why it was chose as a single over say "Steal Your Heart Away" which is classic Fleetwood Mac style - "Silver Girl" (any song about Sheryl Crow is enough to make me vomit) - and I've never been overly impressed with "Miranda" either.

I love Miranda! I've heard a few people say they're not keen but it's totally one of my favourites on the album! Not at all keen on Silver Girl though, I think that seems to be a common opinion?!

[cristochango]

HA! Those are my 2 least faves...along with Miranda. ;)

I agree with you.
I dont really like illume, red rover, and miranda

[michelej1]

Yes, I love Miranda. I had to make myself stop playing it, so I wouldn't burn out on it. Also, even though people don't like Stevie's vocals tacked on to many of the GOS songs, with Miranda, I believe her vocals added to the song. There's a flat, dissonant quality that suggests someone removed from reality in the tone, which expresses the message beautifully and with mystery.

When I was growing up, there was a song called Angie Baby about a girl descending into madness and I think Miranda strikes me in the same way as that one did.

And really, I thought the lyrics were stellar and opened the door to the great word work that Lindsey would also display throughout UTS.

Michele

[Fleetwoodmark]

SYW was Excellent but not half as good as it could have been.

[michelej1]

I was just rereading Q's Reissue Reviews in the August 2009 issue and this is what they said about SYW:

With Christine McVie having finally decided she'd hd enough. Say You Will wasn't a full-scale reunion. But with Nicks and Buckingham once again in the fold, and Fleetwood and John McVie seemingly determined to carry on forever, it came as close as most fans could hope for. What they ended up with might have been separate Nicks and Buckingham albums randomly sequenced and shunted together. Twice as long as it should have been, nd often highlighting the pair's wildly divergent styles -- she intensely personal, he vaguely political -- it's a mess rather than a disaster.

[dimndsnkblksky]

Right now I have just come off a 2 month + period of listening to this album continuously in the car. (So glad I am not the only one who likes this album so much). Not sure if it is the constant repetition, but I love it. Some of the songs that ppl tend to not like (i.e. silver girl (has a good chorus) & I love peacekeeper), the only songs I skip tend to be Morrow and I can listen to the start of Red Rover and then have to go on.

Top 5:
1. Peacekeeper
2. Thrown Down
3. Destiny Rules
4. Steal Your Heart Away
5. Running Through the Garden

(Top 3 in no particular order, honestly)

Maybe bc we have all watched the DR doc and hear the songs here and there in the footage, there adds something to it all, but I love me some SN & LB together...nothing else to say but this is a great album and we all have different tastes as to what we may think is superior.

[cristochango]

I liked the album, I just thought that it needed some piano on it, if they record another album I think there should be more piano on it

[golddustdrummer]

"Silver Girl" (any song about Sheryl Crow is enough to make me vomit)


say it ain't so!! that song is about Sheryl freaking Crow??!

[nailatixela]

say it ain't so!! that song is about Sheryl freaking Crow??!


Yup. In the destiny rules doc when they play it for the big wigs Stevie tries to say over the noise that the song is about Sheryl. I believe she has stated this more than once. :sorry:

[brysondt]

No. Oh no.

I did not know "Silver Girl" was about Sheryl. I mean...I like Sheryl and all, but damn...just no.

For some reason, I like it when Stevie is singing about herself, lol. This is also one of my least favorite songs on SYW and now maybe I know why. Don't get me wrong, really, I think Sheryl Crow is an admirable artist. I just...nevermind...lol

[liamtgallagher]

Say You Will was the first Fleetwood Mac album I bought. I'd got into Stevie, and when I found out that she was in Fleetwood Mac, I decided I'd get their greatest hits and their latest album. I love it, and my favourite 5 songs are (in no particular order):
Illume
Thrown Down
Destiny Rules
Come
Murrow Turning Over In His Grave

[mylittledemon]

Liam, those are your favorite tunes off SYW or altogether? :shocked:

[liamtgallagher]

From Say You Will

[vivfox]

No. Oh no.

I did not know "Silver Girl" was about Sheryl. I mean...I like Sheryl and all, but damn...just no.

For some reason, I like it when Stevie is singing about herself, lol. This is also one of my least favorite songs on SYW and now maybe I know why. Don't get me wrong, really, I think Sheryl Crow is an admirable artist. I just...nevermind...lol

Not All of us, but Most of us Ledgies can't stand the song Silver Girl. Though a lot of us love Sheryl's music, we just wish Stevie could have come up with a better melody for the song she wrote about Sheryl.

P.S. Did I ever tell you how thrilled I am that you post here on The Ledge?

[markolas]

I honestly never understood what everyone hated about "Silver Girl." I don't think it's the greatest thing Stevie ever wrote, but it's pleasant enough. Yet many Ledgies seem to foam at the mouth at its mere mention. That I never understood.

[Black_Moon]

I honestly never understood what everyone hated about "Silver Girl." I don't think it's the greatest thing Stevie ever wrote, but it's pleasant enough. Yet many Ledgies seem to foam at the mouth at its mere mention. That I never understood.

Because the lyrics are absolutely horrendous, well, that's the main reason for me. As soon as she says 'lost in a hi-tech world' I immediately wince, and then realise I'm about to do it again at 'girlie girl' and 'she's got a million bucks'.

[michelej1]

I liked the album, I just thought that it needed some piano on it, if they record another album I think there should be more piano on it

If Christine records another album, I think there should be more piano in it than there was in Meantime.

Michele

[michelej1]

For some reason, I like it when Stevie is singing about herself, lol. This is also one of my least favorite songs on SYW and now maybe I know why. Don't get me wrong, really, I think Sheryl Crow is an admirable artist. I just...nevermind...lol

I think to an extent that Stevie is always singing about herself. Yes, Think About It may be about Christine, but it's about Stevie too, as far as I'm concerned.

Michele

[daniellaaarisen]

I think to an extent that Stevie is always singing about herself. Yes, Think About It may be about Christine, but it's about Stevie too, as far as I'm concerned.

Michele

As a writer, it is very hard to separate ANYTHING from yourself. If fiction writers can't keep themselves out of their work, there's no doubt in my mind that Stevie, and autobiographical fairy princess songwriter, is a strong, strong component in everything she's ever written. Ever.


I think "Silver Girl" is about her similarities to Sheryl.

[golddustdrummer]

No. Oh no.

I did not know "Silver Girl" was about Sheryl. I mean...I like Sheryl and all, but damn...just no.

For some reason, I like it when Stevie is singing about herself, lol. This is also one of my least favorite songs on SYW and now maybe I know why. Don't get me wrong, really, I think Sheryl Crow is an admirable artist. I just...nevermind...lol

I'll never be able to listen to it again without thinking about Sheryl.
*#^@&$%!!

Because the lyrics are absolutely horrendous, well, that's the main reason for me. As soon as she says 'lost in a hi-tech world' I immediately wince, and then realise I'm about to do it again at 'girlie girl' and 'she's got a million bucks'.

I wince there and when she says "hardcore world"
like...wtf.

[GypsyBlueEyes]

I really love the Say You Will album. I'm not saying that I love every song that was included, but on the whole, I've enjoyed it. Without Christine in the mix, the sound is a lot more edgy...and aggressive perhaps. Don't get me wrong, I do miss Christine's contributions, I just enjoyed the different sound of this album. I will never understand why they used the version of Say Goodbye that they did...I think the slower, softer version sounds a lot better. I will also never understand why those kids were included on Say You Will...the sound of the end of that song makes me cringe. I love Peacekeeper, Everybody Finds Out, Destiny Rules, Goodbye Baby, Thrown Down, Bleed To Love Her, and Smile At You. :)

[Black_Moon]

I'll never be able to listen to it again without thinking about Sheryl.
*#^@&$%!!

And you have me to thank for that! :wavey:



I wince there and when she says "hardcore world"
like...wtf.

Yeah, God awful lyric. For someone who's all into the aesthetics of words, it shows no eloquence at all. I mean, all she had to do is get up Microsoft Word and use the thesauraus for "tough".

Plus, hardcore makes it sound like Sheryl was in the porn industry.

[markolas]

I dunno, I kind of like that the lyrics are fairly straightforward on Silver Girl. I prefer it to hearing Stevie sing about her "flaming walls" on Smile At You. :rolleyes:

[Artemis]

I bought Say You Will recently, despite having it on my PC for a good few months, and I found myself enjoying it a lot more than I had before. Although I DID miss Christine being there, I thought it was a really solid album, although I think 18 tracks was a little too much to make Say You Will work as well as it could/should have.

I think both Lindsey and Stevie have three songs that could be cut from the album, which I think would end up leaving it pretty amazing -

Lindsey -

Murrow Turning Over In His Grave - I don't like this song that much, but the part where he repeats "Murrow Turning Over In His Grave" just really grates on me
Red Rover - Couldn't really get into this one, too fragmented for my liking.
Come - Again, couldn't really get into it. I think I might need to listen to it a few more times though.

Stevie -

Illume - I know it's a popular song, but I don't really like it, it just sorta...plods along D=
Silver Girl - by far the WORST song on the album, comparable to When I See You Again from Tango >_>
Smile At You - I REALLY hate this version, especially compared to the "angry" Mirage demo, compared to that version, the Say You Will version really seems weak.

As for the rest of the album -

What's The World Coming To - It's a good song, and a nice way to open the album.

Thrown Down - One of the best songs on the album, I love the guitar work on this song, and Stevie's vocals and lyrics are really strong, very catchy.

Miranda - I love it. The guitar is amazing, again, and the chorus is to die for. I love Stevie's harmonizing in this song, but it's one of my favourite Lindsey songs.

Say You Will - I think this is more like a Christine song than a Stevie song, and I can almost picture Christine singing it. It sounds like a classic Fleetwood Mac song, but then it's ruined by the children at the end.

Peacekeeper - I love the harmonizing in this one and the "Ah ah ah ah ah" parts in the chorus.

Running Through The Garden - The best song on the album, in my opinion. Everything about it works, the guitar solo, Lindsey's harmonies, and some really strong vocal work from Stevie, it's great. And, I know she isn't credited, but I swear I can hear Christine on this song >_> But I think that's just me xD

Steal Your Heart Away - I love how catchy this song is, and Christine really helps with the chorus, their voices all harmonize so brilliantly.

Bleed To Love Her - I prefer the version on The Dance, but it's still a great song.

Everybody Finds Out - I'm addicted to this song lately, I love how it starts quietly but then erupts. It's one of Stevie's strongest performances vocally on the album, in my opinion.

Destiny Rules - I love how this song follows Everybody Finds Out, as it sorta teases with the whole Stevie / Lindsey thing, but that's a whole different topic xD It's a great song though.

Say Goodbye - I love the guitar work on this song, although I think it's a little too fast. It's a great song from Lindsey though, and I think it really works.

Goodbye Baby - I like this song, and Stevie's quieter vocal, and I think it's a great way to round off the album.

So...yeah. I think if they'd cut the album down to ten tracks, and kept the best songs, it would have been one of the best Fleetwood Mac albums ever, it would be in my own personal top three (behind Rumours and The White Album) but there was just too much to make it as great as it should have been.

(Whew! I think I got carried away with my post there, first post and all that. Long time lurker, first time signing up and posting >_>)

[cristochango]

after listenin to this whole album I think my top 2 albums by the mac are

1. tusk
2. rumours / say you will

[gldstwmn]

So I finally went to buy "Say You Will". For some reason I never got it. But I was dying to hear "Say Goodbye". So I go to the record store (yes, a record store) in Pasadena, Ca. I find a used CD for $8.99. But it's just a plain cover. Not the picture cover. So I start whining to the guy if that's the only one they have and could they check if they have a cover for it. He says no and I buy it anyways. Now at this store they keep the actual CD packages behind the counter. So he gives it to me and it looks like a little book. The pictures are all glossy and clear and it has a second CD with a few extra songs. I guess it was the deluxe edition which I didn't know existed. Needless to say, I am now very happy and listening to it. But I must say I think I prefer the live version of "Say Goodbye". The best live version being from the DVD of the show in Boston in 2004. I wish that one was on the CD for that DVD. It's the most emotional one I've heard. That's what made me fall in love with that song. Anyways, just my little story.

Lindsey's Soundstage also contains a great version of Say Goodbye, which I think is available both on disc and iTunes as part of Under The Skin.

[vivfox]

after listenin to this whole album I think my top 2 albums by the mac are

1. tusk
2. rumours / say you will

Mine are:
1. Tusk
2. The White Album(Fleetwood Mac)
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[gldstwmn]

Not at all keen on Silver Girl though, I think that seems to be a common opinion?!

The demo was better.

[vivfox]

The demo was better.
What demo? Post it please? A demo for Silver Girl??

[TrueFaith77]

My top 5 from SYW (note: i love every song except silver girl :lol:):

1. Thrown Down
2. Steal Your Heart Away
3. Bleed To Love Her
4. Red Rover
5. Destiny Rules

(and that doesn't even mention Running Through the Garden, Everybody Finds Out, Illume! Three of Stevie's greatest songs!!)

[GypsySorcerer]

I haven't listened to Say You Will in at least two years, so I decided to give it a play a few days ago. Lindsey's songs, for me, have gotten even better. Stevie's....eh. Her vocals are great on "Running Through the Garden" and "Everybody Finds Out," but the songs are weak lyrically. I like some of the imagery in "Illume," but it's monotonous and meandering. "Silver Girl" and "Say You Will" are innocuous filler. I do like "Smile at You," "Goodbye Baby," and "Destiny Rules," quite a bit.