Christine McVie.com [Archive]

Gailh

08-05-2009, 01:11 PM

Has anyone noticed that this doesn't even send you to Universal any more?

I got "oops this link appears to be broken" when I looked at it for the first time in ages today

the domain name registration expired on 5 July but it is not available to purchase. Maybe Martin Wyatt is renewing it.

Gail

nicepace

08-06-2009, 06:45 AM

Two URLs are taken -- ChristineMcVie.com and ChristineMcVie.info. A "whois" search on the former turns up only the name of an internet domain registrar ("NetNames"). On the latter, it turns up a name and address in Thailand. (Someone may have just picked up that domain name on spec ... thinking that they'd be able to resell it.) Neither domain name has a matching website.

The URL ChristineMcVie.net is available, if anyone wants to start a Christine fan site.

David

08-06-2009, 04:54 PM

Maybe someone is typosquatting.

Gailh

08-07-2009, 07:33 AM

Maybe someone is typosquatting.

Pardon my ignorance but what does that mean?

Gail

michelej1

08-07-2009, 11:22 AM

Pardon my ignorance but what does that mean?

Gail

I'm sorry, but I don't get where the typo is here, David. Oh well, skies the limit.

Gail, that's a slang term for typing error in the US. Sometimes people buy domain names that are similar to those of big sites based on the likelihood that people will get the spelling wrong and stumble upon their domain by accident. So, you might buy Googel, because you know a few hundred people a day will come to that site, trying to get to Google.

Michele

nicepace

08-07-2009, 02:15 PM

Also, sometimes people buy a domain name that they think someone will want and try to sell the rights to the domain to that person. That's called cybersquatting. (I've never heard of typosquatting ... but there are plenty of things I've never heard of.)

Gailh

08-07-2009, 03:35 PM

I'm sorry, but I don't get where the typo is here, David. Oh well, skies the limit.

Gail, that's a slang term for typing error in the US. Sometimes people buy domain names that are similar to those of big sites based on the likelihood that people will get the spelling wrong and stumble upon their domain by accident. So, you might buy Googel, because you know a few hundred people a day will come to that site, trying to get to Google.

Michele

thank you.

Gail

SteveMacD

08-07-2009, 07:52 PM

I'm sorry, but I don't get where the typo is here, David. Oh well, skies the limit.

Oh irony, how you mock me :laugh:

(Should've been "Sky's The Limit." Damn you Perfect!)

jbrownsjr

08-08-2009, 06:37 PM

For you you you you you and me....:nod:

michelej1

08-08-2009, 10:03 PM

For you you you you you and me....:nod:

Even though the lyrics are Christine's, Stevie should have thrown that in Lindsey's face when he was telling her about Thrown Down.

Michele

SteveMacD

08-09-2009, 04:12 AM

Even though the lyrics are Christine's, Stevie should have thrown that in Lindsey's face when he was telling her about Thrown Down.
It was a missed opportunity, to be sure. If she had done that, guys like me would've developed a love affair with Stevie (even though she didn't like ugly drunks with limited potential nearly as much as Christine).

jbrownsjr

08-09-2009, 12:37 PM

Even though the lyrics are Christine's, Stevie should have thrown that in Lindsey's face when he was telling her about Thrown Down.

Michele

hahaha I remember that conversation on DR... Do you think using the wrong pronoun in a prep is as bad as changing tense...

They are both wrong..

I do know changing tense would fail you in most composition classes... but "for you and I" is kind of obvious... that might fail you too....

My guess is Christine didn't want to sing on a "EEEEEEEEEEEEE" once again... so they ignored it...

jbrownsjr

08-09-2009, 12:38 PM

It was a missed opportunity, to be sure. If she had done that, guys like me would've developed a love affair with Stevie (even though she didn't like ugly drunks with limited potential nearly as much as Christine).

You sell yourself way too short.... You a handsome drunk with unlimited potential!!:wavey:

michelej1

08-09-2009, 12:58 PM

It was a missed opportunity, to be sure. If she had done that, guys like me would've developed a love affair with Stevie (even though she didn't like ugly drunks with limited potential nearly as much as Christine).

Of course, to do that Stevie would have had to have been aware that FM had a song called "You and I" part I or II. Dollars to donuts, she has no memory of it.

Michele

Richard B

08-09-2009, 02:31 PM

Also, sometimes people buy a domain name that they think someone will want and try to sell the rights to the domain to that person. That's called cybersquatting.

I call that capitalism.

David

08-09-2009, 05:49 PM

You guys are being silly. That one segment in the 2003 doc where Lindsey is suggesting an alternative wording has been blown out of proportion -- by Stevie & all her fanaticals. Lindsey wasn't there to correct her grammar. He was trying to say that he thought the artistic power of that song -- or at least of that stanza -- would be stronger with his suggestion (& conversely that Stevie's wording lessened the song's power). He wasn't playing English teacher!

And every last one of us has done exactly the same thing on this very board. We've all posted opinions that this line or that line would have resonated more aesthetically with a (sometimes slight) change in the wording.

Of course, aesthetic power (appeal, magic, whatever) comes down to opinion, or preference. There's no geometric proof that can be posited to support the popular opinion that "The forgotten chimpanzee" in "Jane" is either artistically weak or strong or anything else. I think it's powerful, myself. It's a song honoring a gal who speaks out against chimp research, so what should Stevie have said? Monkey? Cute hairy primate baby?

One song of Christine's that seems to be everyone's favorite in terms of its verbal power is "Why," but I have always felt that song was kind of weak, lyrically.

aleuzzi

08-10-2009, 12:12 PM

I got the sense Lindsey was riding her a little, for the sake of the camera. Whether he was merely making a suggestion or not, she got offended right away.

BTW: Stevie Wonder has a song called You and I, as well...There, the grammar is correct. But I can care less if Christine failed her phonics test. "You and I" sounds a heck of a lot better than "you and me" in that song...

michelej1

08-10-2009, 12:39 PM

One song of Christine's that seems to be everyone's favorite in terms of its verbal power is "Why," but I have always felt that song was kind of weak, lyrically.

Lyrically, I don't think it helps that the hurt is melting away in two different verses. Still, the emotion in the last verse and the unadorned simplicity of the question is what I think really gets to people. Why don't you love me? Can't get much plainer or deeper than that and it's sung in a way that expresses the despair quite nicely.

Judging from her ITMT voice and the way she did Calumny, Chris could still pull off Why very nicely today.

As for Stevie, she didn't need monkeys in her song at all. Why not have words in there that suggest monkeys like "swinging" or "primeval" or, ah, "banana." Then dedicate the song to Jane and everyone would get the message. Rule of thumb: Don't put chimpanzees or laundromats in your songs and don't put Duesenbergs in there either, for that matter.

Certainly, you're right that what's awkward and what's not is a subjective call. I think the phrasing "hurts my everything" and "not make believe" work splendidly. They're childish, but the feelings she describes hark back to the emotional bruising and vulnerability we often experienced as children. She's saying, "I'm 50 years old now, but with one scornful brow, you can take me back to that little girl's insecurity." I think the words are brilliant for that song.

As to the very helpful Lindsey, it's none of his business. He shouldn't concern himself with Stevie's words at all. Just take care of the music and shut his trap. If he needs something to occupy his time he can concentrate on the artistic power of the lines "I am what I am: a family man."

Was Stevie over-reacting? Is Stevie, Stevie?

She did tickle me when, taking most of the credit for The Chain, she noted that Lindsey went up and sang it exactly the way she told him for once in his life. That suggested to me that when he sings on her songs he usually changes not only the vocal arrangement, but the words too. Of course, I think that's very natural: to change a part that you're singing to make it fit what you're trying to express. But don't go wandering into other people's verses and trying to change them too.

Thinking of verse mangling. It's really nice on Angel when Lindsey is singing "haunted song" all crazy and Stevie is singing straight. That's why I wish they would share verses on SYLM, because by himself he is just messing the song up. If they sang together, with Stevie doing it traditionally, giving the words structure, his ironic interpretation would just add an accent to the lines running for cover and begging for sympathy, rather than distorting them altogether.

Michele

michelej1

08-10-2009, 12:43 PM

I got the sense Lindsey was riding her a little, for the sake of the camera. Whether he was merely making a suggestion or not, she got offended right away.

Yeah, I think that Lindsey was baiting both John and Stevie a little for entertainment value in Destiny Rules.

Michele

Gailh

08-10-2009, 01:09 PM

Lyrically, I don't think it helps that the hurt is melting away in two different verses. Still, the emotion in the last verse and the unadorned simplicity of the question is what I think really gets to people. Why don't you love me? Can't get much plainer or deeper than that and it's sung in a way that expresses the despair quite nicely.

Judging from her ITMT voice and the way she did Calumny, Chris could still pull off Why very nicely today.

Michele

I never noticed the hurt melting away in 2 different verses! I just love the song to bits. :xoxo: She certainly could still pull off Why if of course she cared to (which she doesn't)

Gail

michelej1

08-10-2009, 01:29 PM

I never noticed the hurt melting away in 2 different verses! Gail

Well, the thing is, I guess that's the chorus, because the song is very sparse and doesn't have full verses really. Just a few sentences that lead you to the unvarnished climax.

What strikes me about the words is that it's not that the guy doesn't love her, it's just that he doesn't love her enough to fight for their survival. Instead he gives in to his weakness and takes the easy way out, which she won't do. She won't go on crying about it. There will be another day.

Michele

David

08-10-2009, 02:15 PM

As for Stevie, she didn't need monkeys in her song at all. Why not have words in there that suggest monkeys like "swinging" or "primeval" or, ah, "banana." But you know what the shipper reaction would be if Stevie stuck a "banana" in one of her songs!

Then dedicate the song to Jane and everyone would get the message. Rule of thumb: Don't put chimpanzees or laundromats in your songs and don't put Duesenbergs in there either, for that matter.On the other hand, she gave Warren Zevon props for writing a song with "Waring blender" in it -- & getting away with it.

As to the very helpful Lindsey, it's none of his business. He shouldn't concern himself with Stevie's words at all. Just take care of the music and shut his trap. Well, OK. But I get the feeling that he has done that repeatedly with Stevie in the studio.

If he needs something to occupy his time he can concentrate on the artistic power of the lines "I am what I am: a family man."Natch.

She did tickle me when, taking most of the credit for The Chain, That's what bugs me the most about Madame Nicks & her fanaticals: They see the whole damn song -- the whole damn achievement -- as merely the words.

I see words as being -- by astronomical units -- the least of Fleetwood Mac's various achievements.

michelej1

08-10-2009, 03:35 PM

That's what bugs me the most about Madame Nicks & her fanaticals: They see the whole damn song -- the whole damn achievement -- as merely the words.

I see words as being -- by astronomical units -- the least of Fleetwood Mac's various achievements.

I don't think Stevie thinks -- well, who knows what she actually thinks -- when she gets the wind under her sails and says stuff like that, I don't think she's just taking credit for The Chain words. When she says that Lindsey and Christine sat there for months struggling pathetically on the song until she rescued them, I think she is implying that she's probably responsible for the piano and guitar too. Only John gets credit for the bass.

On the other hand, you have a point, because she did say that all Lindsey added was the "running in the shadows" part, indicating she was focusing on the words and not the instrumental contributions.

Michele

jbrownsjr

08-10-2009, 04:06 PM

I don't think Stevie thinks -- well, who knows what she actually thinks -- when she gets the wind under her sails and says stuff like that, I don't think she's just taking credit for The Chain words. When she says that Lindsey and Christine sat there for months struggling pathetically on the song until she rescued them, I think she is implying that she's probably responsible for the piano and guitar too. Only John gets credit for the bass.

On the other hand, you have a point, because she did say that all Lindsey added was the "running in the shadows" part, indicating she was focusing on the words and not the instrumental contributions.

Michele

Christine has given credit to Stevie for saving her on Oh Daddy...

michelej1

08-10-2009, 06:00 PM

Christine has given credit to Stevie for saving her on Oh Daddy...

To Stevie's credit, she has never mentioned suggesting that one line to Christine. But I bet it's not a coincidence that that's her favorite Christine song:laugh:.

Michele

jbrownsjr

08-10-2009, 06:23 PM

To Stevie's credit, she has never mentioned suggesting that one line to Christine. But I bet it's not a coincidence that that's her favorite Christine song:laugh:.

Michele

I like when Stevie says, "The girls have always had enough sense not to leave the band.. but the guys have always been on the fence..."

not exact but something like that...

fleetwoodtrick

08-10-2009, 06:41 PM

Oh, David, we all know you're one of the fanaticals too! ;)

aleuzzi

08-11-2009, 01:12 AM

That's what bugs me the most about Madame Nicks & her fanaticals: They see the whole damn song -- the whole damn achievement -- as merely the words.

I see words as being -- by astronomical units -- the least of Fleetwood Mac's various achievements.

I assumed Stevie came up with the words AND the melody for them, to lay over the instrumental track. If this is true, then her contribution to The Chain is pretty significant.

michelej1

08-11-2009, 01:40 PM

I assumed Stevie came up with the words AND the melody for them, to lay over the instrumental track. If this is true, then her contribution to The Chain is pretty significant.

But I wouldn't assume that about the melody. She had a song that used those words already, but there's no indication they took the melody from that song.

They could have, in part, but I wouldn't assume they did.

Michele

jbrownsjr

08-11-2009, 03:53 PM

But I wouldn't assume that about the melody. She had a song that used those words already, but there's no indication they took the melody from that song.

They could have, in part, but I wouldn't assume they did.

Michele

Well nobody really knew what the girl was talking about... but it just sounded so good... ;)

michelej1

08-11-2009, 06:11 PM

Well nobody really knew what the girl was talking about... but it just sounded so good... ;)

Ha, pretty obscure at best.

She said they did use her melody for part of the song, but Lindsey also said that they already had the tagline for it from Keep Me There, so it really seems like a true amalgamation from 4 of them, musically.

Michele

Gailh

08-12-2009, 07:49 AM

the words have always been the most important part of the song for Stevie. I believe Christine once said that the sound "eeee" on a high note doesn't sound so good. so she would probably change the word. Stevie would leave it in.

Gail

jbrownsjr

08-12-2009, 11:29 AM

Gailh

08-12-2009, 12:54 PM

Hold Me...
Got a Hold On Me

Christine must have had one too many glasses of Cristal... :o

I was going to say that was the exception that proves the rule but that would just prompt a rash of other examples. :laugh:

Gail

jbrownsjr

08-12-2009, 02:08 PM

I was going to say that was the exception that proves the rule but that would just prompt a rash of other examples. :laugh:

Gail

I have to give Stevie the edge on the other two when it came to lyrics.. just more interesting to me..

aleuzzi

08-12-2009, 10:45 PM

But I wouldn't assume that about the melody. She had a song that used those words already, but there's no indication they took the melody from that song.

They could have, in part, but I wouldn't assume they did.

Michele

What do you think then? Did the vocal melody pre-exist the words? Or did she hand the words over and all of them worked on it?

I guess none of us will ever know for sure, but if have any info...

jbrownsjr

08-13-2009, 09:42 AM

michelej1

08-13-2009, 01:01 PM

What do you think then? Did the vocal melody pre-exist the words? Or did she hand the words over and all of them worked on it?

I guess none of us will ever know for sure, but if have any info...

On the DVD-A, Stevie says she had the melody too, so she definitely had a vocal melody with her words. I just don't think they adopted that melody whole cloth. I think Christine had somewhat of a melody going too already.

But you're right, I don't know. They all talk about it in different pieces rather than telling what happened from start to finish.

Michele

Gailh

08-13-2009, 01:01 PM

Maybe Ken's book will clear that up....

Perhaps Christine will be too busy being an eccentric, dog feeding, cold fish to read it? :laugh:

Or perhaps it will be f*ckin stupid?

Gail

jbrownsjr

08-13-2009, 04:49 PM

Perhaps Christine will be too busy being an eccentric, dog feeding, cold fish to read it? :laugh:

Or perhaps it will be f*ckin stupid?

Gail

I can't wait to read it especially with the with the anomosity....

michelej1

08-13-2009, 06:28 PM

Ha. It makes me rethink what Stevie said about Christine:

She's the one person that can walk in and say "You look so bad today, you should go home" and you won't feel bad, you'll just go home and change and come back.

At the time I thought she just meant that Chris would tell you if you looked hungover or like you hadn't gotten enough sleep and she'd tell you and then you would go home and come back refreshed. But now, maybe I'm thinking Chris just walked up and said things like, "Your shirt is stupid" and the Macsters ran home and changed clothes.

Michele

jbrownsjr

08-13-2009, 06:34 PM

Ha. It makes me rethink what Stevie said about Christine:

At the time I thought she just meant that Chris would tell you if you looked hungover or like you hadn't gotten enough sleep and she'd tell you and then you would go home and come back refreshed. But now, maybe I'm thinking Chris just walked up and said things like, "Your shirt is stupid" and the Macsters ran home and changed clothes.

Michele

And then again, others have said she was like a mother in many respects... i'm so confused...

I like the way Carol Anne portrays CM

David

08-13-2009, 07:11 PM

On the DVD-A, Stevie says she had the melody too, so she definitely had a vocal melody with her words. I just don't think they adopted that melody whole cloth. I think Christine had somewhat of a melody going too already.Stevie may have had the chorus melody. That sounds like her. The complexity of the harmonic structure of the verses wasn't a Stevie Nicks invention. It probably wasn't even a Christine McVie invention -- solely. It seems to me, owing to its oddness, that it came from Lindsey & specifically from Lindsey's guitar work. What the vocalists are doing on the verses is harmonizing an unusual progression of dominant 7ths & major 6ths. That sort of thing doesn't come out of Stevie Nicks, & it typically doesn't come out of a keyboardist like Christine, either. But it is far more likely to have sprung from a Travis-picked acoustic guitar part.

The three of them may have all just been trying to harmonize together, without really knowing much about the structure or harmonic progression of what they were doing by instinct, by vibe, by feel.

aleuzzi

08-14-2009, 07:13 PM

The three of them may have all just been trying to harmonize together, without really knowing much about the structure or harmonic progression of what they were doing by instinct, by vibe, by feel.

That's a f*cking stupid theory. I would rather wear Ken's shirt. :xoxo:

michelej1

09-12-2009, 09:15 PM

Here's a quote from Christine on the process:

We’ve gone in with one song and come out with a completely different song. The Chain is a classic example. It was originally a song of mine which didn’t have a melody; it just had chords. We did the basic track for that and we didn’t get any farther, except the guitar solo, which Lindsey played live on the basic track. The only part we kept was the end; we threw out the beginning of the song and restructured it step by step, editing on bits of dobro and guitar. We still didn’t have vocal ideas, so that’s where Stevie stepped in. It took about six months going from one stage to the way it ended up.