One song by Lindsey-Chris-Stevie I absolutely HATE

[vivfox]

We all have our own opinion. This is mine. A lot of times I'll read a post where someone else says how much they hate a song I truly love and it stings my ego just a bit. I think 'how could they not get it?' So please don't take this personally but there is one song by Stevie, Lindsey & Christine that I hated the day I heard it right up through to this day. And I want to tell you why.

I bought TUSK the day it was released in 1979. Before that they released the single Tusk backed with Never Make Me Cry. Now when I first heard the song Tusk on the radio I thought to myself, 'what the ****?' My jaw was dropped open as it played on the radio. and I recorded it and then played it a thousand times till the single was released. Totally loving Tusk and eagerly awaiting the B-side. Then I played Never Make Me Cry and I wanted to puke. This was the worst song by Chris I had ever heard in my life and still feel that way to this day. I absolutely hate it!

I bought the Mirage album the day it was released in 1982 and played the whole thing over and over again as I had done with every previous FM album.
The first time I heard Lindsey sing Oh Diane I was like, 'what the ****?' I hate this song more than I hate any other song I hate. Also when FM chose to release it as a single I wanted to bury myself in the sand. Iwas truly embarrased to be a FM fan when that came on the radio. Thank God the general public felt the same way. It hardly got any airplay and thank God FM never performed it on the Mirage Tour. This was the worst song by Lindsey I had ever heard in my life and still feel that way to this day. I absolutely hate it!

I bought the Tango In The Night album the day it was released in 1987 and played it a million times. When I heard Welcome To The Room Sara I was like 'what the ****?' I felt from the very first listen that this was Lindsey's way of punishing Stevie. Or of getting even with her for past transgressions. Her vocal was terrible. After she recorded it, and I'm sure she was higher than a kite, I can see Lindsey(in my head) jumping up from his chair & saying, "that's it Stevie!" "That's the best vocal you've ever done!" And then laughing to himself that she was stupid enough to believe him. After all we did learn later that Stevie was hardly there for these recordings. She was more involved in her RAL album at the time. And Welcome To The Room Sara is all about her stay at the Betty Ford Center. Just what every rock-n-roll stoner did NOT want to hear about in 1987. This was the worst song by Stevie I had ever heard in my life and I still feel that way to this day. I absolutely hate it!

[jbrownsjr]

Oh no... here I go.... uhhhh gain.... fallin ... in love.... uhhh gen.....
cos love is like a grain of sand....
slowly slipping thru my hand....
oh......whoaaaa.. whoaaaaaa...

oh whoa oh diane......diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnne

I hated this song for the longest time... but it almost throws me into a "Law and Order" mode....

I've come to like it....

Love Never Make Me Cry... kind of haunting to me...
and i love the groove on Welcome to the Room Sara......

but at the time... I hated Oh Diane.... (so i hear you on that one..)

[shackin'up]

Two Words:

Little Lies.



And from Lindsey. I totally agree with Oh Diane. Blerghhh
From Stevie: When I see You Again. Barf.

[GODDESS6]

Two Words:

Little Lies.



And from Lindsey. I totally agree with Oh Diane. Blerghhh
From Stevie: When I see You Again. Barf.

i agree, i loathe this song too~ chris is such a talent, but this song really blew & still does~ i never play it all the way thru & will stop whatever i am doing at the time to change it~

[michelej1]

The song I hate really has little to do with the song itself. It's just the timing.
I don't like Silver Girl and it's not because it's an awful song. As one song on an album, it would have been no big deal. It's just that with the band apart for so many years, I anticipated new material so much and we only got the three songs from each person for the tour and Silver Girl and Temporary One seemed to be such weak, dismal entries.

They seemed worse, not because they were bad, but because I'd waited so long for them and they were part of a very thin crop. As part of 10 new songs on an album, they would have been fine. In fact, I incorporated the lyrics of Temporary One into my dad's funeral, so I obviously had some regard for it, but both Silver Girl and Temporary One disappointed me in 1997.

But Silver Girl . . . I think I resented it all the more because Twisted was out there -- on the soundtrack and on the Best Buy album and I would so much more have had that one made part of The Dance than Silver Girl.

There are lots of songs I am not moved by, but I don't think I hate them. There are also songs I probably would like under other circumstances, but I've heard them too much, so that I feel like I hate them, even though when I was much less familiar with them, I liked them just fine.

I would be more inclined to say I hate something like These Strange Times than any of Stevie, Lindsey or Christine's songs.

Michele

[Regina]

Chris: Oh, Daddy (shudders). I actually think there is another one I hate more but I have blocked it out of my mind and it's probably better that way.

Stevie: The 96 minute demo for the song that would become "The Nightmare."
I hate that sucker. And I had it on multiple tapes and I'd try and fast forward through the tapes for like...five minutes and I'd still hear that plunking piano and that "that's when the dream held her prisoner..." Oy.

Lindsey: Hmmmm...oh, I'm blanking on the name. Hang on. I have to run it through my mind...well, I think it's "It was I." I don't like a good deal of what is on Law and Order though.

[michelej1]

Chris: Oh, Daddy (shudders). I actually think there is another one I hate more but I have blocked it out of my mind and it's probably better that way.



Yeah, I have a problem with Oh, Daddy. I think it's partly because I've heard it too much and also because I really don't like hearing paramours called "Daddy." I mean, maybe if you have kids and the kids said "mommy" and "daddy" so much that you began to call each other that. Maybe then I can understand it. But otherwise, I just think it's creepy to call a romantic mate "Daddy" or "Mama" or . . . well, "sis" would not work either.

And that would bring me to Sugar Daddy, which I don't really like. But I never had to listen to over and over again, so I can't really "hate" it either. It had the good grace not to shove itself at me. Michele

[Regina]

Yeah, I have a problem with Oh, Daddy. I think it's partly because I've heard it too much and also because I really don't like hearing paramours called "Daddy." I mean, maybe if you have kids and the kids said "mommy" and "daddy" so much that you began to call each other that. Maybe then I can understand it. But otherwise, I just think it's creepy to call a romantic mate "Daddy" or "Mama" or . . . well, "sis" would not work either.

And that would bring me to Sugar Daddy, which I don't really like. But I never had to listen to over and over again, so I can't really "hate" it either. It had the good grace not to shove itself at me. Michele


Exactly! And I hate being called "mama" (by anyone--if it were done in a romantic situation, it would seriously be the end of the romantic situation). It's in the top 10 of my personal pet peeves. I think I'd rather be called a crabby old bat than mama. Even Lindsey's Trouble (which I love) makes me cringe a little at the "come and keep your daddy warm" line.

[PenguinHead]

The song I hate really has little to do with the song itself. It's just the timing.
I don't like Silver Girl and it's not because it's an awful song. As one song on an album, it would have been no big deal. It's just that with the band apart for so many years, I anticipated new material so much and we only got the three songs from each person for the tour and Silver Girl and Temporary One seemed to be such weak, dismal entries.

They seemed worse, not because they were bad, but because I'd waited so long for them and they were part of a very thin crop. As part of 10 new songs on an album, they would have been fine. In fact, I incorporated the lyrics of Temporary One into my dad's funeral, so I obviously had some regard for it, but both Silver Girl and Temporary One disappointed me in 1997.

But Silver Girl . . . I think I resented it all the more because Twisted was out there -- on the soundtrack and on the Best Buy album and I would so much more have had that one made part of The Dance than Silver Girl.

There are lots of songs I am not moved by, but I don't think I hate them. There are also songs I probably would like under other circumstances, but I've heard them too much, so that I feel like I hate them, even though when I was much less familiar with them, I liked them just fine.

I would be more inclined to say I hate something like These Strange Times than any of Stevie, Lindsey or Christine's songs.

Michele


I think you are getting your girls mixed up. Do you mean Sweet Girl? Also, I love Twisted and consider it to be an honerary Fleetwood Mac song. They should have included it in their live set.

[Erin]

The song I hate really has little to do with the song itself. It's just the timing.
I don't like Silver Girl and it's not because it's an awful song. As one song on an album, it would have been no big deal. It's just that with the band apart for so many years, I anticipated new material so much and we only got the three songs from each person for the tour and Silver Girl and Temporary One seemed to be such weak, dismal entries.

They seemed worse, not because they were bad, but because I'd waited so long for them and they were part of a very thin crop. As part of 10 new songs on an album, they would have been fine. In fact, I incorporated the lyrics of Temporary One into my dad's funeral, so I obviously had some regard for it, but both Silver Girl and Temporary One disappointed me in 1997.

But Silver Girl . . . I think I resented it all the more because Twisted was out there -- on the soundtrack and on the Best Buy album and I would so much more have had that one made part of The Dance than Silver Girl.

There are lots of songs I am not moved by, but I don't think I hate them. There are also songs I probably would like under other circumstances, but I've heard them too much, so that I feel like I hate them, even though when I was much less familiar with them, I liked them just fine.

I would be more inclined to say I hate something like These Strange Times than any of Stevie, Lindsey or Christine's songs.

Michele

I think you are referring to Sweet Girl. Silver Girl is on Say You Will.:) I actually like Sweet Girl (although I prefer the version that ended up on Enchanted), and Temporary One. Not the greatest songs either of them ever wrote but I don't skip over them.

Songs I hate: Warm Ways, Oh Diane, Only Over You, Empire State, Mystified, Family Man, When I see you again (except for the Lindsey part at the end), Silver Girl. I'll leave the solo stuff out.

[Stew_Matthews]

Ms Nicks - Silver Girl - the 'she was a girlie girl' bit is particularly bad! And wins my award for the worst FM track ever I'm afraid.

Linds - Oh Diane

Christine - Only Over You

[goldustsongbird]

From Stevie: When I see You Again. Barf.

Whassamattah baybah? Baaaaybeh... BAAYYYbeh?

Wait, I see your point. :laugh:

I dislike most of SYW, especially the title track. I've also never much liked Crystal, no matter who is singing it.

[TrueFaith77]

Yeah, I have a problem with Oh, Daddy. I think it's partly because I've heard it too much and also because I really don't like hearing paramours called "Daddy." I mean, maybe if you have kids and the kids said "mommy" and "daddy" so much that you began to call each other that. Maybe then I can understand it. But otherwise, I just think it's creepy to call a romantic mate "Daddy" or "Mama" or . . . well, "sis" would not work either.

And that would bring me to Sugar Daddy, which I don't really like. But I never had to listen to over and over again, so I can't really "hate" it either. It had the good grace not to shove itself at me. Michele

Wow! Oh, Daddy is my official favorite Christine track!

And in your previous post, you meant "Sweet Girl" not "Silver Girl"

[TrueFaith77]

Limiting my choices to Mac songs.... hm....

As album tracks go, I have to go with "World Turning" as my least favorite Lindsey and least favorite Christine track :eek:

As for Stevie. . . I have to go with "Silver Girl"

[David]

No Questions Asked
Murrow Turning Over In His Grave
I Got It In For You
Wish You Were Here
Blow By Blow
Bermuda Triangle

[FMlex]

Let's go by album:

Fleetwood Mac: "Warm Ways" - no, just no.
Rumours: "Don't Stop" - it's not that it's bad, it just makes me think of Bill Clinton.
Tusk: "That's Enough For Me" - okay, we get it.
Mirage: "Oh Diane" - I'm going with others on that one. It's got like a... '50s-ish vibe. Very odd.
Tango in the Night: "Caroline" - huh?
Say You Will - "Come" and "Silver Girl" - the production on these songs makes me cringe.

[nightbird89]

Lindsey- Oh Diane and Not That Funny. They just kill me, sorry.
Christine- Warm Ways. Just no.
Stevie- Silver Girl.

[michelej1]

I think you are getting your girls mixed up. Do you mean Sweet Girl? Also, I love Twisted and consider it to be an honerary Fleetwood Mac song. They should have included it in their live set.

You're right. I mean Sweet Girl. Although, the combo of Silver Girl and RTTG back to back kind of makes me say "hate" too. It's just having two songs I am ambivalent about side by side like that that really pushes things over the edge. Either song by itself is probably not hateworthy.

Michele

[Lala]

I didn't appreciate Oh Diane until I heard the demo/outtake version that doesn't have verses. It's really raw and comes off like an angsty Beach Boys song...and I'm currently obsessed with it. I'm guessing the verses were a bit of an afterthought, and the overall toning down of the song for the album is a disappointment.

The only song I can think of that I truly hate, will stop what I'm doing to change it, etc is Empire State. I LOVE Mirage...but WTF? I should really just burn a version of the album sans Empire State.

I'm listening to Silver Girl after all your hating on the song. I think I only really like it because it reminds me of my estranged mother...and it's really mellow.

Also love WISYA, but it would suck without Lindsey's part at the end.

So...apparently I don't hate much.

[Glittermoondust]

i agree, i loathe this song too~ chris is such a talent, but this song really blew & still does~ i never play it all the way thru & will stop whatever i am doing at the time to change it~

Really?? Wow this surprises me.... I love the Stevie background vocals in this song (tell me lies) as well as the video........ hate hate hate Only Over You and Mystified........Family Man......I cringe when I hear the first verses of Goodbye Baby..... absolutely adore the demo though...... a good example of a good demo gone bad in my opinion.....

[ILoveFM]

Fleetwood Mac- Sugar Daddy
Rumours- Oh Daddy (and I don't even dislike it that much, its just my least favorite on the album)
Tusk- Never Make Me Cry and WMYTYTO
Mirage- Empire State and Only Over You
Tango- When I see you Again and Family Man
Say You Will- Come (and only because I LOVE the live version and the CD verison doesn't do it for me)

[golddustdrummer]

by album
Fleetwood Mac - Warm Ways
Rumours - Oh Daddy
Tusk - Never Make Me Cry
Mirage - Oh Diane
Tango - Family Man/When I See You Again (tie)
Say You Will - Say Goodbye


*note, I don't "hate" these songs...just my least favs*

also, is it just me, or is TITN not on iTunes anymore..did I miss the memo?

[mylittledemon]

This is really tough for me because I don't really hate any Fleetwood mac songs (except a few off of TIME--sorry, ChiliD)

STEVIE SONG--I have to say ANGEL (from Tusk is one of them)---& not because its a bad song, but because of the production. If you watch the TUSK documentary, the song sounds so much rockier during the sessions. Why they mixed it the way they did, I don't know.

BAND SONG--2nd HAND NEWS...I pick this one only because, to me, it just DOES NOT WORK LIVE. It sounds terrible live. Quit doing onstage.

STEVIE SONG #2--ILLUME--Sorry Stevie. I love the message of the song, but her vocal is just terrible on this track.

LINDSEY SONG--Big Love--from TANGO in the NIGHT. I really hate the way this song sounds, so nothing to do with the lyrics. I remember hearing it when I was kid. Love The Dance era version though.

CHRISTINE SONG--Probably Warm Ways or Sugar Daddy. I love the white Fleetwood Mac album, but either of those two songs I tend to skip.

[StandbackStevie]

Stevie Nicks Song : When I See You Again from Tango In The Night I just don't like this song at all its nerve racking. probably the only song I do not like at all by Stevie.


Lindsey Buckingham Song: Not That Funny from Tusk just don't like this song its annoying when I hear it.

Christine McVie song: Sugar Daddy from The White Fleetwood Mac album not my favorite from her

[sanders8323]

Everyone keeps saying how much they hate Warm Ways, but WHY? I think it's a beautiful song.

My least favorites are:

Lindsey: Oh Diane - Too 50s ish sounding and cheesy

Stevie: When I See You Again - terrible vocal, too repetitive, but Lindsey is the saving grace

Christine: Sugar Daddy - just weird, and it's just a bland version of SYLM. Should have been left off the album IMO. The Tower/Goodbye Baby should've been on the White Fleetwood Mac album instead. Then Say You Will version could be replaced with Not Make Believe.

[DavidMn]

Christine- Hold Me, cant stand it

Stevie-When I See You Again

Lindsey-Empire State

[daniellaaarisen]

Stevie: Probably "Silver Girl". I just.... don't get it. It just makes her seem old and boring and totally un-Stevie.

Lindsey: "Oh Diane".

As for Christine... I don't know. I don't necessarily dislike any of her songs but very very few of them "do anything" for me.

[Dodfather]

I really don't understand all the hate on Little Lies. Yeah, it's possibly a bit "pop" and 80s but it's a superior example of that kind of music, and thechorus just has to be sung along to and played loudly when driving. I Love it!

Lindsey: Empire State (I'm not keen on Mirage at the best of times, apart from Gypsy which is my favourite Stevie song) or That's All For Everyone

Stevie - When I See You Again or Freedom

Chris - Warm Ways or You and I Part II

It took me a loooooong time to like Oh Diane and while I'm still not overly keen, I can listen to it, just not often!

[Dodfather]

Ooooh - I've been upgraded to Senior Ledgie!

Is that what happens when you hit 100 posts?!

[Gypsycat999]

Well, I can stand Oh Diane and WISYA when I don't hear them too often. And for Silver Girl...I haven't even listened to the whole song. SYW is such a bad album. The only songs I like are Thrown Down and Peacekeeper.
I don't actually hate any Christine song, there are only ones I don't like so much. My least favourite Lindsey song is Family Man and I hate No Questions Asked by Stevie.

[Dodfather]

Yeah, No Questions Asked isn't great. A typical example of a token new song on a Greatest Hits bening a bit rubbish!

I love Say You Will. I think it has Stevie's strongest set of Mac songs for a long time, and with the exception of Seven Wonders I include Tango In The Night in that.

[Regina]

I like Little Lies.
and I love WISYA...
each and every one of those What's a matter babies.

Although, I will confess that the first time I heard it, I thought there was something wrong with the CD.

[Stevieforever]

Chirstine--"Oh Daddy".
Stevie--It's a toss up between "Welcome to the Room, Sara" and "Silver Girl".
Lindsey--Oh, there's so many, but if I had to choose just one, it would have to be "Tusk". I must throw in "Come" too a very close second runner up.

[vivfox]

I love Say You Will. I think it has Stevie's strongest set of Mac songs for a long time, and with the exception of Seven Wonders I include Tango In The Night in that.
You might just be the only person in the world that doesn't like the song Seven Wonders and prefers the other pieces of crap she donated to that record instead.:D

[Dodfather]

You might just be the only person in the world that doesn't like the song Seven Wonders and prefers the other pieces of crap she donated to that record instead.:D

Sorry - you misunderstood me there. I think Seven Wonders is AMAZING! One of my favourite Stevie Mac songs. I meant that her songs on Say You Will are, for me, the best tracks she's done in the band since Seven Wonders. The other songs of hers on Tango are very poor!

[LikeAWillow]

Stevie- Silver Girl. I hate feeling embarrassed for others.

Lindsey- Oh, Diane. No explanation necessary.

Chris- You Make Loving Fun. I know I'm going against the grain here, but this song just grates on me. It's the only Chris I HAVE to change if it comes on.

[vivfox]

Stevie- Silver Girl. I hate feeling embarrassed for others.Lindsey- Oh, Diane. No explanation necessary.
Chris- You Make Loving Fun. I know I'm going against the grain here, but this song just grates on me. It's the only Chris I HAVE to change if it comes on.
You are the only person in the world I've ever heard say this. I'm not offended. We all have our own individual tastes, so no prob. However I would like to share that during the Rumours hoopla of 1977-78 I said to myself(& I still had not purchased Rumours yet) I love GYOW and Dreams and Don't Stop so if the next single FM releases is as great as these 3 songs then I will buy the album. Then YMLF became the new single and I was blown away. I immediatley when out and bought the album and that's when I heard The Chain and GDW for the very first time. Gold Dust Woman is my favorite released track by Fleetwood Mac. Thanks for listening:xoxo:

[michelej1]

I don't like YMLF either. I thought it was ok at one point, but now that I must be at the 10,000 listen (without even trying to hear it), I am annoyed by it.

The only thing I can say good about Seven Wonders is that I love the video. Not into the song. Although, if they'd put it in the Unleashed setlist, I'm sure I would have been thrilled.

I would agree that Family Man is pretty awful. Put Make Me a Mask on there instead. Michele

[jedw]

Lindsey - Oh Dianne
Stevie - Thats alright
Chris - Suger Daddy.

PS how can ANYBODY not like never make you cry?:shrug:

[GoldDustBoy]

Lindsey - There are quite a few songs of his that I don't like that much, but the worst would have to be Family Man. Oh Diane comes close second.
Chris - Everywhere. It's just to sugary for my taste. The live versions are a bit better, but I NEVER play the TITN version.
Stevie - Welcome to the room... Sara and silver Girl. Both songs are awfully produced, and lack... EVERYTHING.

[Chrislit18]

this is one of the best threads in a while :lol:

Lindsey:
Can't go Back [I skip it ALWAYS]
Family Man
Caroline
Miranda

Just when I think that Tango in the Night is my favorite Fleetwood Mac album, I remember Caroline [which I dislike more than FM] and Family Man are on it....

Christine:
Oh Daddy
Sugar Daddy [the ONE song on the White Album I HATE]

Essentially her use of the word 'daddy,' but Ironically, Honey Hi is my favorite Tusk song of hers, and it has the word 'daddy' in it. Go figure? :rolleyes:

Stevie:
the original Landslide is overrated....as is the Dance version. Don't hate it, but really overrated.
I used to HATE Angel, and now it is one of my faves.
um....Gypsy should probably be full length on Mirage....
I like all of her Tango songs....
Then we get to Illume. XD

Illume has a good message, but the song sucks IMO. I prefer Silver Girl to it. :shrug:

[Erin]

I love Sugar Daddy. Perhaps because I could use one.:] It's just a crazy, fun song to me. There certainly seems to be a consensus on Silver Girl!

[GypsySorcerer]

Lindsey:
Empire State

Stevie:
When I See You Again
Welcome to the Room...Sara

Christine:
Only Over You (I hate the way she sings "I'm *OUT* of my mind....")
One More Night

[LikeAWillow]

Then YMLF became the new single and I was blown away. I immediatley when out and bought the album

It's so funny that a song that would have kept me away from the band was what drew you in. As my hair dresser so charmingly put it yesterday, different streaks for different freaks :laugh:

I don't like YMLF either. I thought it was ok at one point, but now that I must be at the 10,000 listen (without even trying to hear it), I am annoyed by it.

Honestly, I always thought the song was dull, but what really killed it for me was when, in response to "I never did believe in the ways of magic," my best friend quipped "until I saw how much money that Stevie Nicks **** has been making us." Now, I can't hear the song without that associaton :lol: :eek:

[Regina]

Honey Hi...that's on my hit list, too.
(not in a good way)

[Dreamz19]

Lindsey: "That's Enough For Me." Even Chris didn't like this song. Also "Oh Diane."

Chris: "Love In Store." I might get killed for that one, but I skip it everytime. I used to say "Sugar Daddy," but I like the song now.

Stevie: "Freedom." I also don't like Seven Wonders that much.

[Cornflake Girl]

Chris- Little Lies. I even hate the video where they're sitting in a barn dressed like Spandu Ballet.

Lindsey- Oh Diane (clearly I'm not the only one), Caroline, Family Man, I Know I'm Not Wrong

Stevie- everything on Tango in the Night. Yes even Seven Wonders.

Yeah...I'm not a TITN fan.

[aleuzzi]

Yeah, I have a problem with Oh, Daddy. I think it's partly because I've heard it too much and also because I really don't like hearing paramours called "Daddy." I mean, maybe if you have kids and the kids said "mommy" and "daddy" so much that you began to call each other that. Maybe then I can understand it. But otherwise, I just think it's creepy to call a romantic mate "Daddy" or "Mama" or . . . well, "sis" would not work either.

And that would bring me to Sugar Daddy, which I don't really like. But I never had to listen to over and over again, so I can't really "hate" it either. It had the good grace not to shove itself at me. Michele

Hogwash! Oh Daddy and Sugar Daddy are excellent tunes. Each also refers to "daddy" in a different sense, one earnestly, the other ironically. They're among my favorite tunes.

[aleuzzi]

Well, I love pretty much most of the stuff, but here are a few tunes I simply cannot stand:

Stevie: No Questions Asked, Paper Doll, Welcome to the Room Sara, Silver Girl

Christine: Skies the Limit, Mystified, All Over Again

Lindsey: Never Going Back Again, Empire State, Oh Diane, Can't Go Back, Make Me a Mask

[AncientQueen]

Chris- Little Lies. I even hate the video where they're sitting in a barn dressed like Spandau Ballet.
.
Hahaha :], that is the most accurat description of the video ever.

I hate "Little Lies", not because it is a really bad song, but because everyone knows it and starts singing it when you mention that you like FM. And boy, they did so many better songs, they don't deserve to have this one boring-you-to-tears-tune being their signatur song.

[shackin'up]

Lindsey: Never Going Back Again,

Now THAT is quite shocking.:eek:

[Dodfather]

I don't like YMLF either. I thought it was ok at one point, but now that I must be at the 10,000 listen (without even trying to hear it), I am annoyed by it.

The only thing I can say good about Seven Wonders is that I love the video. Not into the song. Although, if they'd put it in the Unleashed setlist, I'm sure I would have been thrilled.

I would agree that Family Man is pretty awful. Put Make Me a Mask on there instead. Michele


My God - if they put Seven Wonders in the Unleashed set I'd go crazy!! I love it! I'm hoping they add it to the European dates since Tango was so big over here but I very much doubt they'll change the set at all.

I don't know Make Me A Mask - what is it from? Is it a Mac b-side?

[jrpjr]

i HATE "paper doll"...i think that is the biggest mistake that FM ever made..stevie sounds aweful...the melody sounds like whoever wrote it is tone deaf....it sucks...i find it irritating to listen to...ahhhhhh..just thinking about it makes me crazy

[Regina]

My God - if they put Seven Wonders in the Unleashed set I'd go crazy!! I love it! I'm hoping they add it to the European dates since Tango was so big over here but I very much doubt they'll change the set at all.

I don't know Make Me A Mask - what is it from? Is it a Mac b-side?

I think it's from the 25th anniversary boxed set...
It's fabulous. Very original, very ... uh, I don't know. Post-60s opium den-ish.
Dreamy and gorgeous.

[petep9000]

No Questions Asked


Ah, but what about that honky-tonky piano bridge that Chris popped into NQA? I love that part, though I think I'm pretty neutral about the rest of the song.

[petep9000]

My picks:

That's Enough For Me
You'll Never Make Me Cry
Don't Stop
One More Night
Red Rover
Come
Oh Diane
Empire State
Only Over You

[NicksMonsoon]

Okay, I don't hate the song, but I think they made a huge mistake on Say You Will by putting those kids on at the end...it just ruined it. I know that sounds awful and I feel terrible saying it. I may be one of the few that feels this way...a lot of people might think its sweet and charming or whatever. It irks me, though. I always change the song when it gets to the end. I can't stand to listen to it.

[Sanne2]

Okay, I don't hate the song, but I think they made a huge mistake on Say You Will by putting those kids on at the end...it just ruined it. I know that sounds awful and I feel terrible saying it. I may be one of the few that feels this way...a lot of people might think its sweet and charming or whatever. It irks me, though. I always change the song when it gets to the end. I can't stand to listen to it.

I agree with this so much!

[BellaDonna]

Songs I could do without:

Lindsey's - Oh Diane

Christine's - Oh Daddy

Stevie's - Silver Girl

I just can't get into them. :shrug:

[Bubba Fleetwood]

I try to say away from the neg waves and focus on the positive, however, I will say that almost all of Mirage is a washout of me. I like the first 5 songs (1. Love In Store 2. Can't Go Back 3. That's Alright 4. Book Of Love 5. Gypsy) but really really dislike the rest of the album except for Christine's "Wish You Were Here". But that's it. Only Over You/Empire State/Straight Back/Hold Me/Oh Diane/Eyes Of The World are liver. If you could eat those songs, they would taste like liver. Seriously.

[michelej1]

Okay, I don't hate the song, but I think they made a huge mistake on Say You Will by putting those kids on at the end...it just ruined it. I know that sounds awful and I feel terrible saying it. I may be one of the few that feels this way...a lot of people might think its sweet and charming or whatever. It irks me, though. I always change the song when it gets to the end. I can't stand to listen to it.

I don't like those kids either. I was thinking, "has it come to this?" Actually, when I first heard it, I thought it was Lindsey manipulating his voice. Somehow that would have made it more palatable than the awful kiddie truth.

I'm not sure if the Peter Lewry book is accurate or not, but it says they recorded Make Me a Mask with the Mirage songs in France. So, if it was in the can already, I'd have liked to see it show its face in 1987.

Michele

[David]

I'm not sure if the Peter Lewry book is accurate or not, but it says they recorded Make Me a Mask with the Mirage songs in France.See my polemic of Lewry's book on alt.music.fleetwood-mac.

[michelej1]

See my polemic of Lewry's book on alt.music.fleetwood-mac.

Well, I used to be able to read news groups when I had Outlook Express, but I don't know how to do it anymore.

Do you think Make Me a Mask was recorded then or later.

Michele

[David]

Do you think Make Me a Mask was recorded then or later.Later. It's an experiment in the Far East pentatonic scales.

But my original point was that Lewry shouldn't be considered authoritative in any way with regard to the post-1974 years. His "research" is all secondary-source-based.

[michelej1]

Later. It's an experiment in the Far East pentatonic scales.


So, that would put it in the Tango era?

Michele

[goldustsongbird]

Chris- You Make Loving Fun. I know I'm going against the grain here, but this song just grates on me. It's the only Chris I HAVE to change if it comes on.

I agree, actually! I used to like it, but I think it got overplayed. I feel that way about most of the songs from Rumors.

Okay, I don't hate the song, but I think they made a huge mistake on Say You Will by putting those kids on at the end...it just ruined it. I know that sounds awful and I feel terrible saying it. I may be one of the few that feels this way...a lot of people might think its sweet and charming or whatever. It irks me, though. I always change the song when it gets to the end. I can't stand to listen to it.

no, that's ridic. It might have been a cute idea for kicking around in the studio, but the fact that it made the final cut is embarrassing. I was like, "guys... seriously?"

It doesn't even make sense to have it in the song.

[NicksMonsoon]

I'm SO glad I'm not the only one who feels that way about Say You Will. I was afraid I was going to sound super bitchy by being negative about the kids. I do agree that it might have been cute for them to do it and it be something just for them...but to put it on the final cut was kind of annoying.

[cristochango]

[QUOTE=goldustsongbird;829564]I agree, actually! I used to like it, but I think it got overplayed. I feel that way about most of the songs from Rumors.
QUOTE]

I agree with that. Tusk all the way

[starshine]

Well everyones made some great choices here.....don't know if I can do it justice really.....I'll try though.....
Christine : Don't Stop (like someone said before all I can think of is Bill Clinton now....but before that it really wasn't my most favorite songs anyway......)
Lindsey: Make Me A Mask/Not That Funny/Oh Diane/Family Man/Big Love/....but like someone else mentioned too....I'm in this group.....I don't like the TITN LP/cd at all......bunch of tencho crap.....ugh.....don't recall the last time I've even put the cd in.....
Stevie: Tango stuff/Paper Doll/No Questions Asked/SYW with the kids/Silver Girl....what most everyone here has stated already........:shrug:

[daniellaaarisen]

Okay, I don't hate the song, but I think they made a huge mistake on Say You Will by putting those kids on at the end...it just ruined it. I know that sounds awful and I feel terrible saying it. I may be one of the few that feels this way...a lot of people might think its sweet and charming or whatever. It irks me, though. I always change the song when it gets to the end. I can't stand to listen to it.

As if the song wasn't nauseatingly "cute" enough to begin with, right? I have big issues with Stevie writing music that's "cutesy". It never does anything for me, ever.

[David]

So, that would put it in the Tango era?I don't know!

I'm listening to a non-FM thing of RUNNING THROUGH THE GARDEN now (because I'm rearranging my audio). This is definitely NOT White Album era.

[michelej1]

I don't know!



Oh, you know when the Asian influence was prominent.

Michele

[LikeAMagnet]

Whassamattah baybah? Baaaaybeh... BAAYYYbeh?

Wait, I see your point. :laugh:

I dislike most of SYW, especially the title track. I've also never much liked Crystal, no matter who is singing it.

Incomprehensible... :shocked:

[daniellaaarisen]

Incomprehensible... :shocked:

Yeah, "Crystal" may be my favorite Mac song ever. Maybe...

[golddustdrummer]

Hogwash! Oh Daddy and Sugar Daddy are excellent tunes. Each also refers to "daddy" in a different sense, one earnestly, the other ironically. They're among my favorite tunes.

they are both ok songs...but I like Sugar Daddy a lot more.

maybe it is a generational thing, but I don't get it when someone calls their significant other "daddy". its just too pervy for me. I even get irked when listening to Black Water by the Doobie Brothers. "come and dance with your daddy all night long". and the way Chris says it on Oh Daddy....*shudder*

[brysondt]

Y'all, what the hell is "Come" about...I swear, for some reason, that song has been ignored on my ipod because I never can find the right frame of mind to listen to it, haha. However, I listened to it just now....and I mean....am I perverted, or can this be interpreted kind of sexual??? Or can someone set me straight and tell me what it's about?

[David]

Y'all, what the hell is "Come" about...I swear, for some reason, that song has been ignored on my ipod because I never can find the right frame of mind to listen to it, haha. However, I listened to it just now....and I mean....am I perverted, or can this be interpreted kind of sexual??? Or can someone set me straight and tell me what it's about?
I think it's Lindsey's adaptation of the late Anglo-Saxon (or very early Middle English) poem Sumer Is Icumen In, a joyous paean to the warmth & fecund greenery of the seasons.

Svmer is icumen in
Lhude sing cuccu!
Groweþ sed and bloweþ med
and springþ þe wde nu.
Sing cuccu!

Awe bleteþ after lomb,
lhouþ after calue cu,
Bulluc sterteþ, bucke uerteþ.
Murie sing cuccu!
Cuccu, cuccu,
Wel singes þu cuccu.
ne swik þu nauer nu!

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[golddustdrummer]

I prefer to just continue to find hidden sexual meanings in Lindsey's songs

"doin' the tango in the night"
"I come up fast, but I go down slow" :xoxo:
"think of me sweet darlin' every time you don't come"
"lay me down in the tall grass and let me do my stuff"
"been down one time, been down two times...never going back again"

I have snickered at all of these, and more.

and also in Stevie's duet with Kenny Loggins...
"I know forever we'll be doin' it"

I can't sing along to that song with out laughing!!

I know I'm immature. Sue me.

[michelej1]

they are both ok songs...but I like Sugar Daddy a lot more.

maybe it is a generational thing, but I don't get it when someone calls their significant other "daddy". its just too pervy for me. I even get irked when listening to Black Water by the Doobie Brothers. "come and dance with your daddy all night long". and the way Chris says it on Oh Daddy....*shudder*

Can you imagine if Stevie, someone who talks about her father in every interview, had performed this song? I'd be calling child welfare services on Jesse.

Not that I was all that comfortable with her Grandpa dueting with Stevie on Party Doll. Come along and be my party doll and I'll make love to you, to you.


Yeah well . . . it was a more innocent time. Michele

[iamnotafraid]

Chris' Only Over You, I hate, hate, hate it! (Mirage)

[goldustsongbird]

Incomprehensible... :shocked:

Yeah, "Crystal" may be my favorite Mac song ever. Maybe...

Cardinal sin, I know. I don't *hate* it, but it isn't my go-to track when I put the album on. I tend to skip it. :sorry:

[daniellaaarisen]

Y'all, what the hell is "Come" about...I swear, for some reason, that song has been ignored on my ipod because I never can find the right frame of mind to listen to it, haha. However, I listened to it just now....and I mean....am I perverted, or can this be interpreted kind of sexual??? Or can someone set me straight and tell me what it's about?

From what I can tell, it's about Anne Heche. That's kinda been the hot name on the rumour (heh, spelling) mill in terms of "Come." I think it is definitely sexual to an extent: lines like "one thing leads to another/but I guess you know about that" and "think of me, sweet darlin'/everytime you don't come" make that undeniable. HOWEVER, I think its just as much emotive. Lindsey is basically telling her (in a spiteful way, of course) that her desicion to end things between them would haunt her. She will "think of [him]" all the time and reflect on what could have been, so to speak.... especially when current circumstances aren't ideal. That can be taken sexually (see above), emotionally ("everything going bad," "everytime you're feelin' sad") and sometimes both or either ("when the best just isn't enough").

I donno. But especially from reading Carol Ann's book (albeit being ridiculous and untrustworthy), I believe that the jealous/spiteful type in Lindsey is definitely present, as proven through this song.

[seekerj]

Not That Funny

... I hated it the minute I heard it and hate it more now.

[Dodfather]

From what I can tell, it's about Anne Heche. That's kinda been the hot name on the rumour (heh, spelling) mill in terms of "Come." I think it is definitely sexual to an extent: lines like "one thing leads to another/but I guess you know about that" and "think of me, sweet darlin'/everytime you don't come" make that undeniable. HOWEVER, I think its just as much emotive. Lindsey is basically telling her (in a spiteful way, of course) that her desicion to end things between them would haunt her. She will "think of [him]" all the time and reflect on what could have been, so to speak.... especially when current circumstances aren't ideal. That can be taken sexually (see above), emotionally ("everything going bad," "everytime you're feelin' sad") and sometimes both or either ("when the best just isn't enough").

I donno. But especially from reading Carol Ann's book (albeit being ridiculous and untrustworthy), I believe that the jealous/spiteful type in Lindsey is definitely present, as proven through this song.

I didn't know Lindsey dated Anne Heche! When was this and how long for?

I haven't read Carol's book. I kind of assumed that book written by an ex wouldn't be the most reliable source for information. Judging by all the comments I've read about it, I'm glad I haven't.

[brysondt]

I prefer to just continue to find hidden sexual meanings in Lindsey's songs

"doin' the tango in the night"
"I come up fast, but I go down slow" :xoxo:
"think of me sweet darlin' every time you don't come"
"lay me down in the tall grass and let me do my stuff"
"been down one time, been down two times...never going back again"

I have snickered at all of these, and more.

and also in Stevie's duet with Kenny Loggins...
"I know forever we'll be doin' it"

I can't sing along to that song with out laughing!!

I know I'm immature. Sue me.


Girl, you're hilarious! If you're immature, then I'm immature cus I laugh at all of these too. Lindsey is super sexual thats why I love him so. .....why did Stevie leave him again? haha

[FMlex]

I prefer to just continue to find hidden sexual meanings in Lindsey's songs

"doin' the tango in the night"
"I come up fast, but I go down slow" :xoxo:
"think of me sweet darlin' every time you don't come"
"lay me down in the tall grass and let me do my stuff"
"been down one time, been down two times...never going back again"

I have snickered at all of these, and more.

and also in Stevie's duet with Kenny Loggins...
"I know forever we'll be doin' it"

I can't sing along to that song with out laughing!!

I know I'm immature. Sue me.


Aw man... Okay, I laughed at those, but Never Going Back Again? Never thought of that song as sexual. Now I'll never be able to listen to it the same... thanks a lot haha!

[golddustdrummer]

Aw man... Okay, I laughed at those, but Never Going Back Again? Never thought of that song as sexual. Now I'll never be able to listen to it the same... thanks a lot haha!

glad I could help :p

[vivfox]

Christine:
Only Over You (I hate the way she sings "I'm *OUT* of my mind....")

You don't know how many times I have sung this part making fun of this song. Probably my most hated sung words by Chris. The way she says the word OUT--and I see YOU know exactly what I mean--the way she does it makes me wish I was there so I could've slapped her in the face and told her to go take a nap.

[vivfox]

I think it's quite clear the majority of us absolutely HATE two songs by FM: Oh Diane and Silver Girl.

[Glittermoondust]

You don't know how many times I have sung this part making fun of this song. Probably my most hated sung words by Chris. The way she says the word OUT--and I see YOU know exactly what I mean--the way she does it makes me wish I was there so I could've slapped her in the face and told her to go take a nap.

I soooooo agree!! This song drives me nuts!! :lol: And I truly can't say that about many FM songs.....

[Glittermoondust]

Cardinal sin, I know. I don't *hate* it, but it isn't my go-to track when I put the album on. I tend to skip it. :sorry:

I like the BN version and the white album version but I'm not nuts about the Practical Magic re-do.........:sorry:

[jbrownsjr]

You don't know how many times I have sung this part making fun of this song. Probably my most hated sung words by Chris. The way she says the word OUT--and I see YOU know exactly what I mean--the way she does it makes me wish I was there so I could've slapped her in the face and told her to go take a nap.

Yikes..!!!!

[golddustwoman77]

Christine------"Everywhere" It is my least favorite Fleetwood Mac song. There is something really blah about that song to me.

Lindsey------"Time Precious Time" There is something about the repetition in that song that gets on my nerves.


Stevie------"Welcome to the Room Sara" Again, there is something really blah about that song. I think it is the dragging beat with uninteresting lyrics.

[michelej1]

Lindsey------"Time Precious Time" There is something about the repetition in that song that gets on my nerves.


Yeah, I'm not a fan and placed where it is at the beginning of the album, it brings the momentum to a screeching halt. Great Day ended and TPT put the brakes on the action so fast I got whiplash. I used to hate it, but I think now we've come to an uneasy truce.

Michele

[Erin]

I think, like Come, TPT is better live. See a lovely example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-IzxoHfBuA

(Nothing like a little self-promotion)

[Skyveris]

Christine------"Everywhere" It is my least favorite Fleetwood Mac song. There is something really blah about that song to me.

Lindsey------"Time Precious Time" There is something about the repetition in that song that gets on my nerves.


Stevie------"Welcome to the Room Sara" Again, there is something really blah about that song. I think it is the dragging beat with uninteresting lyrics.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on the latter two songs. They're my least favorite song offerings from Stevie and Lindsey. I, however, love "Everywhere". As for the Christine song I don't particularly care for, it would have to be "Dont Stop."

-Matt

[jbrownsjr]

Yeah, I'm not a fan and placed where it is at the beginning of the album, it brings the momentum to a screeching halt. Great Day ended and TPT put the brakes on the action so fast I got whiplash. I used to hate it, but I think now we've come to an uneasy truce.

Michele

agree 100% about the placement... momentum shift for sure... I adore Great Day...

[Dodfather]

agree 100% about the placement... momentum shift for sure... I adore Great Day...

Absolutely. I think Time Precious Time is the weakest track on Gift of Screws. The rest of the album is damn great though!!

[Regina]

Absolutely. I think Time Precious Time is the weakest track on Gift of Screws. The rest of the album is damn great though!!

I will boldly go where no woman has gone and say I love Time Precious Time.
Weak? Not IMO. It IS oddly placed on the CD. I probably would have stuck it in at the end. But, the guitar work is amazing and it's heart-tugging (is there such an expression?) And, if you ever saw the boot of it done live at the Nokia...wow!

Oh, and I keep forgetting...
Not that Funny just sucks;-)

[LikeAMagnet]

Yeah, "Crystal" may be my favorite Mac song ever. Maybe...


Definitely top 5.

What a song!! :thumbsup:

[gypsy4life]

...has to be...It's Not That Funny....

[sjpdg]

Here's my list.

Lindsey: I Don't Want To Know, I Know I'm Not Wrong, Not That Funny, Oh Diane (as a FM song but as a solo Lindsey song I wouldn't feel the same), Oh Diane, Red Rover.

Stevie: Straight Back, When I See You Again, No Questions Asked (absolute worst performance by Stevie with FM, hands down, IMHO), Affairs Of The Heart, Running Through The Garden.

Christine: Hollywood (Some Other Kind Of Town).

[goldustsongbird]

Rhiannon came on the radio earlier today and I'm sad (and surprised to say), that my initial reaction was, "what a ****ing stupid song" :laugh:

I only like the old live versions. I KNOW, I know, it's Rhiannon and she's taken by the wind and the sky and all of that windy stuff, but there's something about the chorus in the album version that is vaguely annoying.

[FMlex]

Rhiannon came on the radio earlier today and I'm sad (and surprised to say), that my initial reaction was, "what a ****ing stupid song" :laugh:

I only like the old live versions. I KNOW, I know, it's Rhiannon and she's taken by the wind and the sky and all of that windy stuff, but there's something about the chorus in the album version that is vaguely annoying.

You know, I feel the exact same thing as you do only it's with "Gold Dust Woman" - I think the album version isn't nearly as good as all the awesome old live versions where Stevie's wailing all over the place and you can feel the intensity of the song.

Every time I hear it on Classic Vinyl (the station I'm always listening to), I just think, "You know, they should really go deep into their vaults and snatch up some live GDWs from '77!"

[goldustsongbird]

You know, I feel the exact same thing as you do only it's with "Gold Dust Woman" - I think the album version isn't nearly as good as all the awesome old live versions where Stevie's wailing all over the place and you can feel the intensity of the song.

Every time I hear it on Classic Vinyl (the station I'm always listening to), I just think, "You know, they should really go deep into their vaults and snatch up some live GDWs from '77!"

It's a crime that the GDW from Japan '77 hasn't been released or played anywhere. It's one of the best! I don't mind the album version, though. It's different, but still good.

[David]

Rhiannon came on the radio earlier today and I'm sad (and surprised to say), that my initial reaction was, "what a ****ing stupid song" :laugh:

I only like the old live versions. I KNOW, I know, it's Rhiannon and she's taken by the wind and the sky and all of that windy stuff, but there's something about the chorus in the album version that is vaguely annoying.
Lisa, you're weird.

[chiliD]

Y'all, what the hell is "Come" about...I swear, for some reason, that song has been ignored on my ipod because I never can find the right frame of mind to listen to it, haha. However, I listened to it just now....and I mean....am I perverted, or can this be interpreted kind of sexual??? Or can someone set me straight and tell me what it's about?

"kind of sexual"?? Hell, it's as blatant as anyone could ever BE!!!

As the Rutles sang in the song "Cheese & Onions"..."Do I have to spell it out?"

Bermuda Triangle

You just don't like it because I made you play it about 3,000 times that one rehearsal.

[vivfox]

Here's my list.

Lindsey: I Don't Want To Know, I Know I'm Not Wrong, Not That Funny, Oh Diane (as a FM song but as a solo Lindsey song I wouldn't feel the same), Oh Diane, Red Rover.

Stevie: Straight Back, When I See You Again, No Questions Asked (absolute worst performance by Stevie with FM, hands down, IMHO), Affairs Of The Heart, Running Through The Garden.

Christine: Hollywood (Some Other Kind Of Town).

First of all I Don't Want To Know is a Stevie song, tho you can hear Lindsey all over it too. Secondly, Straight Back IMO is one of Stevie's best songs ever and I can't understand you and all the others who hate No Questions Asked. I love that song, and I've lived that song. However this is a thread about the songs we personally hate, so I'll get over it.:thumbsup:

[daniellaaarisen]

Is there a thread somewhere asking for our favorite Mac songs? I need some positive energy right now!

[vivfox]

Is there a thread somewhere asking for our favorite Mac songs? I need some positive energy right now!
I think you should start one...

[PenguinHead]

Hogwash! Oh Daddy and Sugar Daddy are excellent tunes. Each also refers to "daddy" in a different sense, one earnestly, the other ironically. They're among my favorite tunes.

I so agree. I remember loving Sugar Daddy when I bought the album in 1977. It's a great Christine song, and I love the beep beep sound when she sing "You can pick me up in a big fancy car, then I can pretend I'm a big movie star."

[hippilil86]

I really don't like Say You Will, or Red Rover.... I hope that if they really are planning on working on a new album, that they can get their songs to mesh together a little bit better than the last one.

[David]

I really don't like Say You Will, or Red Rover.... I hope that if they really are planning on working on a new album, that they can get their songs to mesh together a little bit better than the last one.
I made the point in a very old Ledge post years ago about "Say You Will": Never had any other official Fleetwood Mac album since the band's founding consisted of tracks recorded over such an enormous stretch of time. Some tracks were recorded in the years leading up to "The Dance," & others were recorded in 2002. So you have a stretch of about six or seven years, which is the main reason behind the disparity of sound & style, as far as I'm concerned.

[Dodfather]

I made the point in a very old Ledge post years ago about "Say You Will": Never had any other official Fleetwood Mac album since the band's founding consisted of tracks recorded over such an enormous stretch of time. Some tracks were recorded in the years leading up to "The Dance," & others were recorded in 2002. So you have a stretch of about six or seven years, which is the main reason behind the disparity of sound & style, as far as I'm concerned.

I agree that the album has a mixture of very disparate styles - even between each of the 2 songwriters. Lindsey's materical moves from the eclecticism of Red Rover to the more accessible Miranda and even Stevie has the fairly dull Smile At You (apologies for fans of this track) and the excellent Thrown Down. Of course we all know how old Smile At You is so that makes the point made in the last post all the more obvious.

That said, I still think it's a ppretty good record and has Stevie's strongest set of Mac songs for a long time. If/when they do a new album I'd have to agree that a more focused approach could be beneficial though.

Now that I've written that I'm unsure if focused is the right word but I'm sure you know what I mean...

[michelej1]

I made the point in a very old Ledge post years ago about "Say You Will": Never had any other official Fleetwood Mac album since the band's founding consisted of tracks recorded over such an enormous stretch of time. Some tracks were recorded in the years leading up to "The Dance," & others were recorded in 2002. So you have a stretch of about six or seven years, which is the main reason behind the disparity of sound & style, as far as I'm concerned.

It's kind of funny because even the songs written at the same time, don't seem to be of the same period. I'm thinking of EFO. And, unlike his intentions with Oh Diane, I'm not sure that Lindsey meant to be retro in producing EFO. I like it though. Tremendously. Doesn't really sound like the Mac to me though. That probably makes me like it even more.

I also like SYW because it doesn't sound like Stevie. I wouldn't want her to have a catalog of songs that unlayered, but doing it on demand, once in Christine's absence was quite admirable, I feel.

Michele

[Chrislit18]

don't ask me how it happened

but i forgot my most hated when i posted
SAVE ME A PLACE

I HATE that song. It essentially ruins the Tusk Album.....

and RTTG :eek:
That is like. My FAVORITE on SYW

[BellaDonna]

I like the BN version and the white album version but I'm not nuts about the Practical Magic re-do.........:sorry:



I feel the same on this.. 1st one I LOVE... the re-do... not so much. But Im sure I will still listen to it if I hear it's on. :lol:

[sjpdg]

First of all I Don't Want To Know is a Stevie song, tho you can hear Lindsey all over it too. Secondly, Straight Back IMO is one of Stevie's best songs ever and I can't understand you and all the others who hate No Questions Asked. I love that song, and I've lived that song. However this is a thread about the songs we personally hate, so I'll get over it.:thumbsup:

I apologize for the mistake on "I Don't Want To Know".

Just always felt that "Straight Back" would have been better on a solo Stevie album instead of Mirage.

Always thought "No Questions Asked" is just a really weak effort on Stevie's part, and the rest of the band for that matter, not just her.

I'm on the same boat as you in some respects by what other people have listed here as the "songs they love to hate" as you will. I've seen tracks that I love listed here too, so we're all in the same boat!!:thumbsup:

[Lauren]

ok had to add my 2 cents!

I have always disliked "Everywhere"- it gives me a headache and I turn it off everytime I hear it. It's super annoying to me.

I also dislike "Paper Doll", "Empire State" "Welcome to the Room Sara", "Sweet Girl", "My Little Demon" to name a few.

But "Everywhere" tops them all!!!

[Rod]

Welcome to the Room Sara has grown on me a little since I first heard it - but it's still an incoherent mess.

Christine's bland, dull filler on the otherwise splendid Mirage - Wish You Were Here and Only Over You.

Anything where Lindsey plays an extended guitar solo - especially in the seemingly endless live versions.

[vivfox]

Welcome to the Room Sara has grown on me a little since I first heard it - but it's still an incoherent mess.

Christine's bland, dull filler on the otherwise splendid Mirage - Wish You Were Here and Only Over You.

Anything where Lindsey plays an extended guitar solo - especially in the seemingly endless live versions.

:]:nod::lol:

[Ghost_Tracker]

Believe it or not I've never jumped up and down over "Talk to Me."

I'm hoping to someday go to E-bay and find the paper napkin Stevie wrote this song on. :rolleyes:

"That Made Me Stronger" was also a "What was she thinking?" moment for me.

[vivfox]

Believe it or not I've never jumped up and down over "Talk to Me."

I'm hoping to someday go to E-bay and find the paper napkin Stevie wrote this song on.

Stevie didn't write Talk To Me. The paper napkin song is Edge of 17, at that time written as Age of 17.

[PenguinHead]

Yeah, I'm not a fan and placed where it is at the beginning of the album, it brings the momentum to a screeching halt. Great Day ended and TPT put the brakes on the action so fast I got whiplash. I used to hate it, but I think now we've come to an uneasy truce.

Michele

I couldn't say it better. You are so right about the placement of that song in the album's running order. It's not unlike the placement of Murrow Turning Over on the Say You Will album. What the heck are they thinking???:confused:

[Dodfather]

Believe it or not I've never jumped up and down over "Talk to Me."

I'm hoping to someday go to E-bay and find the paper napkin Stevie wrote this song on. :rolleyes:

"That Made Me Stronger" was also a "What was she thinking?" moment for me.

I wasn't overly keen on Talk To Me for quite a long time but suddenly..it spoke to me! Haha! Now I really like it. It's I Can't Wait that I've never managed to love.

I agree about That Made Me Stronger. It's ok but definitely on of the weakest tracks on Trouble In Shangri-La.

[daniellaaarisen]

I wasn't overly keen on Talk To Me for quite a long time but suddenly..it spoke to me! Haha! Now I really like it. It's I Can't Wait that I've never managed to love.

I agree about That Made Me Stronger. It's ok but definitely on of the weakest tracks on Trouble In Shangri-La.

Yeah, I think Trouble in Shangri-La is a very strong collection of works if you pretend that "That Made Me Stronger" and "I Miss You" don't exist. There's other tracks that I have to be in the mood for ("Every Day", "Too Far From Texas", "Love Changes") but the rest I love.

But answer me this: how did all of those tracks get onto TISL and "Space Needle" didn't, especially since Stevie's been quoted to say that she selected the final cut hoping to create an album focusing on pain within paradise? Ughhhh that still aggravates me.

[GoldDustOrphan]

Everyday is the unwanted stepchild I've never stopped beating.
Anything with an extended guitar or drum solo. I'm just checking my watch while waiting for the singing to start.

[Street_Dreamer]

Lindsey: Not That Funny - More or less by default. I enjoy pretty much all of Lindsey's Fleetwood Mac material.
Christine: Sugar Daddy - Blah. A complete throwaway track.
Stevie: The Second Time - Not only is this a completely uninspiring song, but Stevie's performance of it is completely uninspiring as well. It doesn't deserve to be associated with the name Fleetwood Mac.

Matt

[wewerefrail]

Yeah, I think Trouble in Shangri-La is a very strong collection of works if you pretend that "That Made Me Stronger" and "I Miss You" don't exist. There's other tracks that I have to be in the mood for ("Every Day", "Too Far From Texas", "Love Changes") but the rest I love.

But answer me this: how did all of those tracks get onto TISL and "Space Needle" didn't, especially since Stevie's been quoted to say that she selected the final cut hoping to create an album focusing on pain within paradise? Ughhhh that still aggravates me.

I must be the minority because I rarely skip over "That Made Me Stronger," it's so catchy! The chorus burrows into your brain and refuses to leave, I like when the two Stevies do their "WEEEEEELL"s. I'm easy to please.

[David]

Christine: Sugar Daddy - Blah. A complete throwaway track.Well, throw it my way, because I think it's the best thing she ever did. It's also the best piano-playing she ever did.

[jbrownsjr]

Well, throw it my way, because I think it's the best thing she ever did. It's also the best piano-playing she ever did.

Me too... I love the quirkiness of this song... I love how she blows that car horn too!! :lol:

[David]

Me too... I love the quirkiness of this song... I love how she blows that car horn too!! :lol:The piano part she composed is very similar to that for "Say You Love Me" & "Station Man." But it's played most expertly -- most in the pocket -- on "Sugar Daddy." Notice how, even in the opening bars, she hangs behind the drum beat by a smidge, giving it a laid-back R&B quality.

Also, her B3 work -- never top-notch inventive in my book, as you know -- is at its most interesting here. She throws the speed up on the rotary & keeps it there, & plays single patterns in the higher registers, which is the tradition B3 attack in blues & rock. Chris also gets a mini-counterpoint going with two lines driving simultaneously but on different tracks in the organ part (probably recorded separately).

The song itself has a great melody line, & her very confident vocal is the star of all the white album vocals. (Both Lindsey & Stevie were better singers on the following album.)

[Erin]

Well, throw it my way, because I think it's the best thing she ever did. It's also the best piano-playing she ever did.

Hear, Hear!

[aleuzzi]

Well, throw it my way, because I think it's the best thing she ever did. It's also the best piano-playing she ever did.

Amen, brother!

[aleuzzi]

The song itself has a great melody line, & her very confident vocal is the star of all the white album vocals. (Both Lindsey & Stevie were better singers on the following album.)

Yes, she positively belts this one. Her vocal on this song, along with her contribution to World Turning demonstrates her R&B skills.

[Black_Moon]

Christine - "Sugar Daddy", "Warm Ways", "Over My Head" - I'm just not a fan of her "White Album" (I nearly typed ****e then, oh dear me it's late) contributions. However, I think she is the most consistent out of the three songwriters, even if I like Stevie's songs the best.

Lindsey - "Peacekeeper", "Oh Diane", "Book Of Love" - "Peacekeeper" induces intense rage in me at how bad it is. I cannot explain why. :lol:

Stevie - "Paper Doll", "Sweet Girl".

[goldustsongbird]

Christine - "Sugar Daddy", "Warm Ways", "Over My Head" - I'm just not a fan of her "White Album" (I nearly typed ****e then, oh dear me it's late) contributions. However, I think she is the most consistent out of the three songwriters, even if I like Stevie's songs the best.

Lindsey - "Peacekeeper", "Oh Diane", "Book Of Love" - "Peacekeeper" induces intense rage in me at how bad it is. I cannot explain why. :lol:

Stevie - "Paper Doll", "Sweet Girl".

Oh not Sweet Girl! I kind of like that one.

No one is a fan of Oh Diane. :laugh:

[vivfox]

No one is a fan of Oh Diane. :laugh:

Betsy likes it.

[cbBen]

Lindsey - Come (really mean spirited, and with about 1/100th the intelligence and sophistication of Silver Springs)
Stevie - Welcome To The Room...Sara
Christine - Temporary One

And for the record... me too... I like Oh Diane (and Book Of Love) -- love that innocent fifties-style stuff.

[Erin]

^^
Don't worry about defending Stevie's honor with Come, it's not about her. It's about Anne Heche, and considering the way she's treated her former lovers I don't have a lot of sympathy for the woman.

[jaycee]

Okay, prepare yourself for what I'm about to say.
Firstly, Little Lies is my big nostalgia song (i.e. I remember it from when a was only a few years old), so I'll always love it.
Second, I'll defend Oh Diane as a decent song... well, perhaps that can't actually be done, but I like it nonetheless!
And now, for the revolutionary comment...
I bought The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac (2CD) after hearing a few songs from Rumours and TITN on the radio (I enjoyed the compilation so much that they became my favourite band soon afterwards, and will surely stay that way forever). From what songs I'd heard I thought that their music would be mostly easy listening, so you can imagine the surprise I had when the first track was Monday Morning! I couldn't believe it! :eek: I almost had a heart attack! Fortunately I calmed down when I heard Dreams after it, and loved the rest of the disc. :) But it took me ages for me to not skip Monday Morning whenever I put the CD on!
Now, however, I really do like it a lot, although oddly it's a song that I like to play in my head more than play to my ears. I think it's just because that first time I heard it has tarnished my view of it irreparably.
As a side, I really like What Makes You Think You're The One, but I often wonder if I would've liked it as much as I do if that had been the first track on the second disc... I also wonder if I would've had a different reaction to MM if there had been some instrumentation before the vocals...
As for least fav songs... well, I feel as if the band fell apart musically as soon as Lindsey left, so As Long As You Follow and No Questions Asked don't particularly captivate me. Skies the Limit and Paper Doll are okay, as long as you (follow) don't think of them as Fleetwood Mac songs... which, in a sense, they kinda aren't.
:) Any questions?

[Black_Moon]

^^

Oh yeah, I forgot about "Monday Morning". And how bad it is.

[cbBen]

^^
Don't worry about defending Stevie's honor with Come, it's not about her. It's about Anne Heche, and considering the way she's treated her former lovers I don't have a lot of sympathy for the woman.

Thanks Erin. I guess when Lindsey played Ellen Degeneres's show the two of them had something to discuss during the commercial break.

But if Lindsey wants to get under Anne Heche's skin he might want to sing her Silver Springs instead. The lyrics to Come are comparatively infantile. Stevie's honor needs no defending, of course.

[vivfox]

Okay, prepare yourself for what I'm about to say.
Skies the Limit and Paper Doll are okay, as long as you don't think of them as Fleetwood Mac songs... which, in a sense, they kinda aren't.
:) Any questions?

I have a question. Why don't you think they are FM songs? They were recorded by Fleetwood Mac and they appear on Fleetwood Mac albums.

[nicepace]

Well, throw it my way, because I think it's the best thing she ever did. It's also the best piano-playing she ever did.

Count me in the "I love 'Sugar Daddy'" camp.

Besides being so strong musically, I really think it's also one of Christine's best lyrics. Her lyrics are often of the fairly predictable love song variety. But with this song she's composed an amusing little character sketch of a woman who isn't exactly a manipulator but who is longing to be one, if she can find a guy with enough funds to bother with. It's the ultimate female fantasy song.

[vivfox]

Count me in the "I love 'Sugar Daddy'" camp.

Me too! In fact if you are Hispanic, between 24 & 35 and a major gangsta hottie then I want to be your Sugar Daddy!

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[jaycee]

I have a question. Why don't you think they are FM songs? They were recorded by Fleetwood Mac and they appear on Fleetwood Mac albums.

It's just that they didn't sound like Fleetwood Mac at all (much like how the fans of the original Fleetwood Mac would feel about FM 1975-87). I recall that when I bought The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac I could remember the sound of all the songs except for No Questions Asked and As Long As You Follow. I also remember Skies the Limit and Paper Doll sounding foreign, like they might have been a Stevie solo effort...
:) Any more questions?

[bellagypsy79]

I am sorry to say that I don't care for "Family Man". I love the "Tango In The Night" album, but I can't stand that song. I also don't like Lindsey's "Not That Funny". I don't care for Stevie's song "No Questions Asked", I didn't like any of the songs on the "Behind The Mask" album. I liked 2: "Skies The Limit", and "The Second Time". "My Little Demon", "Temporary One", don't care for them.

[seekerj]

I am sorry to say that I don't care for "Family Man". I love the "Tango In The Night" album, but I can't stand that song. I also don't like Lindsey's "Not That Funny". I don't care for Stevie's song "No Questions Asked", I didn't like any of the songs on the "Behind The Mask" album. I liked 2: "Skies The Limit", and "The Second Time". "My Little Demon", "Temporary One", don't care for them.

Wow, I almost totally agree with you!

Except I would swap out "Skies The Limit" for "Freedom". I have an intense love for "Freedom". I can't stand "Skies The Limit"; lyrically, it doesn't seem to have anything at all to say, plus musically, it sounds "clunky" and awkward to my ears.

[Dark Angel]

Lindsey - Empire State & Family Man
Christine - Hollywood (Some Other Kind of Town)
Stevie - Welcome to The Room...Sara, Say You Will, Silver Girl, Sweet Girl

[chiliD]

I also remember Skies the Limit and Paper Doll sounding foreign, like they might have been a Stevie solo effort...
:) Any more questions?

Which would've been REALLY odd, since "Skies The Limit" is a Christine McVie song. :lol:

[shackin'up]

I don't like Family Man either, but let's be fair: listen to the acoustic guitar part that wraps up the song, and we all should forgive him the rest of the song simply because it led to that piece of utter beauty.....
Go back to it and wade through the first 3/4th of the song to meet conciously with that guitarpart. It's fabulous.

[HoraceG]

I saw the guys at Cleveland in April.
Go Insane. W.T.F.!!!
I can't work out whether it was just bad feedback or whether LB was having a major flipout!

Did anyone see more than one concert? Was it just Cleveland or was it intentional?
Go Insane is one of my favorites but that was just crap!

Seeing them again at Wembley in October.
I'm just hoping Cleveland was just an aberration!

HG

[vivfox]

I saw the guys at Cleveland in April.
Go Insane. W.T.F.!!!
I can't work out whether it was just bad feedback or whether LB was having a major flipout!

Did anyone see more than one concert? Was it just Cleveland or was it intentional?
Go Insane is one of my favorites but that was just crap!

Seeing them again at Wembley in October.
I'm just hoping Cleveland was just an aberration!

HG

Myself and everyone else raved about how great it was to hear it with the full band performing on it.

[cbBen]

I saw the guys at Cleveland in April.
Go Insane. W.T.F.!!!
I can't work out whether it was just bad feedback or whether LB was having a major flipout!

Did anyone see more than one concert? Was it just Cleveland or was it intentional?
Go Insane is one of my favorites but that was just crap!

Seeing them again at Wembley in October.
I'm just hoping Cleveland was just an aberration!

HG


Are you not familiar with the original studio version? I admit I felt somewhat similarly when I saw them do it this way, but once I heard the original version and watched a live 2009 performance again on youtube I began to appreciate the faster version. It de-emphasizes the lyrics, but I think it has some definite musical value.

So I'd encourage you to check it out a few more times and be open to enjoying it next time. I know I will should the opportunity come to pass.

[gypsysoul]

No one is a fan of Oh Diane. :laugh:

I am! I can't believe the hate it's getting - it's a fun, fifities piece of fluff and I like it a lot.
I also like Family Man.
Yup, really, both:cool:

[Moz]

Unexciting songs: Warm Ways, Only Over You, Mystified, Wish You Were Here, Honey Hi, Time Precious Time
Heard it too many times: World Turning, Don't Stop, Talk To Me
Gets on my nerves: When I See You Again, Turn it On, I Am Waiting
Just don't like: Empire State, Isn't It Midnight, Oh Diane