Ken Caillat's comments

[Gailh]

Has anyone been reading the comments on the Rumours board?

So Christine (along with Stevie and Lindsey) was "full of herself"

Is anyone surprised about this?

Personally I could imagine she could be difficult sometimes and I think making comments about what people were wearing is downright rude.

what does everyone else think?

Gail

[macfan 57]

Has anyone been reading the comments on the Rumours board?

So Christine (along with Stevie and Lindsey) was "full of herself"

Is anyone surprised about this?

Personally I could imagine she could be difficult sometimes and I think making comments about what people were wearing is downright rude.

what does everyone else think?

Gail

It doesn't really surprise me all that much. I remember somebody posted a quote from Stevie that Chris would tell someone that they didn't look so good & to go home...lol. I think she was very direct & would say what she thought. It's funny that there have been quite a few other people who've described her as down to earth. Maybe it depends on the person. Both Bob Welch & Ken, to a lesser degree have had some negative things to say about her.

[Gailh]

It doesn't really surprise me all that much. I remember somebody posted a quote from Stevie that Chris would tell someone that they didn't look so good & to go home...lol.


I would be cross if she said something like that to me and might be tempted to tell her so - provided I was sure of the exit and had fast car waiting :laugh:

Another thought I had was is Mr Caillat expecting the band's co-operation with this book or perhaps they are too full of themselves to have time?

Edit: I've just read the start of the thread and yes he will be talking to the band - I wonder if any of them ever look at this board?

Gail

[nailatixela]

Edit: I've just read the start of the thread and yes he will be talking to the band - I wonder if any of them ever look at this board?

Gail

John is a member of this board.

I thought Christine's shirt comment was great. :lol:

[vivfox]

Remember Stevie complained about the band critisizing her for the way she dressed? Perhaps it was Chris she was referring to when she said, "oh-she's in gray today."

[jbrownsjr]

I've always imagined Chris to be pretty sarcastic and funny... I've watched some of the "unedited" videos of her...

I love her dry wit, sarcastic comments, and I totally believe that her Stevie and Lindsey are full of themselves...

I remember Lindsey say to Bob Welch... Oh my God, how did you ever deal with them... referring to the English bandmates.... later on he became them...

this was no "Mystery to Me"

[michelej1]

The comment is in keeping with some article about some band I posted a few years ago on Christine's site and on FMlegacy. The long article was about them, but they mentioned Christine. They said Christine walked up to them and said they looked gay and that that crushed them. She didn't say the word gay. She used some kind of British slang that I don't remember. But she didn't even know them. She just walked up and said it.

That bothered me. It would be one thing to walk up to Lindsey in his mascara and say, "Hey you look gay," but to do it to strangers . . . Obviously, many would go unbothered by the comment and many would be proud, but it was decades ago and these musicians were upset. They said they looked up to her and were excited to meet her and were hurt by her comment. I think they knew her from Chicken Shack though. This was early on. Probably before 1975.

Michele

[golddustdrummer]

I thought Christine's shirt comment was great. :lol:


yeah I laughed when I read that...but then I thought, what if she had said that to me??
I would've given it right back to her LOL b/c she didn't always make the best clothing choices either....

[strandinthewind]

Some chicks can get away with it no matter what and CM seemingly is one of them. If La Nicks has said that (which I do not really see her saying) - she'd be eviscerated as a cu*t :shrug:

[jbrownsjr]

yeah I laughed when I read that...but then I thought, what if she had said that to me??
I would've given it right back to her LOL b/c she didn't always make the best clothing choices either....

hello!!!! have you seen some of her awful hats and outfits!!!!

pa lease!!!!!!!

[michelej1]

Within FM though, one of the reasons that Christine could do anything is that she was unselfish. As Ken said, one of the guys. And she said she considered herself one of the rhythm section, and she acted like it, meaning she wasn't trying to butt heads with Lindsey or Stevie, which made them less likely to fight with her. So, I guess it's pretty easy to take it if someone says you look awful, if you know for a fact they aren't trying to stab you in the back musically.
Michele

[Gailh]

The comment is in keeping with some article about some band I posted a few years ago on Christine's site and on FMlegacy. The long article was about them, but they mentioned Christine. They said Christine walked up to them and said they looked gay and that that crushed them. She didn't say the word gay. She used some kind of British slang that I don't remember. But she didn't even know them. She just walked up and said it.
Michele

that would have been Status Quo who she said looked liked "a couple of f*ck*ng ponces" which is somewhat rude. With that I always got the impression that she did know them but I could be wrong.

Gail

[Gailh]

yeah I laughed when I read that...but then I thought, what if she had said that to me??
I would've given it right back to her LOL b/c she didn't always make the best clothing choices either....

Yes talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

Gail

[michelej1]

that would have been Status Quo who she said looked liked "a couple of f*ck*ng ponces" which is somewhat rude. With that I always got the impression that she did know them but I could be wrong.

Gail

Yes, I found the article. Francis Rossi said:

"We'd been playing with Rory Gallagher and Chicken Shack," says Rossi. "Rick and I thought Christine Perfect [of Chicken Shack and later, as Christine McVie, of Fleetwood Mac] was great. But she met us once and called us a couple of ****in' ponces and we thought, `No, not Christine Perfect...' We were gutted for ages."

[nodmod]

Yes, I found the article. Francis Rossi said:

"We'd been playing with Rory Gallagher and Chicken Shack," says Rossi. "Rick and I thought Christine Perfect [of Chicken Shack and later, as Christine McVie, of Fleetwood Mac] was great. But she met us once and called us a couple of ****in' ponces and we thought, `No, not Christine Perfect...' We were gutted for ages."

I guess Francis got over it as the Quo did cover Don't Stop in later years

[shackin'up]

that would have been Status Quo who she said looked liked "a couple of f*ck*ng ponces" which is somewhat rude.

I take that as the UNDERSTATEMENT of the day.

Come on people, don't be shocked. She was a very british selfabsorbed lady in the heydays. She normally didn't act it out much in the media. Those other two were just shameless streetfighters. But in that perspective: more transparant.

And she boozed. That was a white whine MACHINE.

[LukeA]

I take that as the UNDERSTATEMENT of the day.

Come on people, don't be shocked. She was a very british selfabsorbed lady in the heydays. She normally didn't act it out much in the media. Those other two were just shameless streetfighters. But in that perspective: more transparant.

And she boozed. That was a white whine MACHINE.

Based on everything we've read and known about Christine, I think its pretty safe to say that she's every bit the alcoholic that John is (although its effects manifested differently and more problematically with John). I have had concern for her in this regard, since she's an admitted recluse as it is.

I'm not saying any of this in a judgmental way- there's nothing wrong with the life she has chosen for herself. Its just an observation.

[David]

Based on everything we've read and known about Christine, I think its pretty safe to say that she's every bit the alcoholic that John is (although its effects manifested differently and more problematically with John).Let's try to find examples in Christine's career where her alcohol intake rendered her unfit to perform, record, &c.

[LukeA]

Let's try to find examples in Christine's career where her alcohol intake rendered her unfit to perform, record, &c.

I didn't say she wasn't functional. I think she was for the vast majority of the time. I would say "is", but we really don't know what she's been doing these days.

[David]

I didn't say she wasn't functional. I think she was for the vast majority of the time. I would say "is", but we really don't know what she's been doing these days.
You misunderstood me. You thought I was being rude & sarcastic & facetious & snide. I was earnestly asking for people's opinions about specific times that Christine was obviously bombed or whatever. Some people say she was bombed when singing "Over & Over," for example, in St. Louis at the Checkerdome on Nov. 6, 1979.

[golddustdrummer]

Some people say she was bombed when singing "Over & Over," for example, in St. Louis at the Checkerdome on Nov. 6, 1979.


bombed how? did she puke? fall down? sing off key? what?? you have me interested!!! lol

[becca]

That's actually a funny comment about the Status Quo at that time (and I really like their music) but maybe have been a product of inebriation and Chicken Shack raucousness. She could have said the exact thing about the Jimi Hendrix Experience and it would've been hilarious in context.

Performers without substance abuse problems of some kind seem to pretty darn rare unfortunately...

[David]

bombed how? did she puke? fall down? sing off key? what?? you have me interested!!! lol
I think she sounds great, but give a listen.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/dlkfvk

[jbrownsjr]

I take that as the UNDERSTATEMENT of the day.

Come on people, don't be shocked. She was a very british selfabsorbed lady in the heydays. She normally didn't act it out much in the media. Those other two were just shameless streetfighters. But in that perspective: more transparant.

And she boozed. That was a white whine MACHINE.

I'll say it again shack.... I'm not at all shocked or even surprised... I think she's hilarious... she was able to manipulate the media way more than SN and LB... but again I've seen some serious drunk Christine footage...

Nevertheless, she came off as a classy lady in perception.. where the other two did not... Maybe because she was British.. I'm not sure why...

[jbrownsjr]

I think she sounds great, but give a listen.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/dlkfvk

Wow she sounds great!!

[golddustdrummer]

I'll say it again shack.... I'm not at all shocked or even surprised... I think she's hilarious... she was able to manipulate the media way more than SN and LB... but again I've seen some serious drunk Christine footage...

Nevertheless, she came off as a classy lady in perception.. where the other two did not... Maybe because she was British.. I'm not sure why...

It's all in the accent...

Wow she sounds great!!

She sounds decent...except the part where she goes "what can I do to keep you around.." yeah. that isn't so nice. she sounds like a drunk at a karaoke bar. :sorry:

[aleuzzi]

Yes, Christine has said things about "lezzies" and "poofters" in a few places--the former in a People magazine article from 1976!

Bob Welch has said she was downright sarcastic and that this could be quite funny and amusing--if you were on the right side of it. But remember too that Bob Weston felt she, as well as the other Brits in the band, had become "impossible" with their newfound success. I imagine Christine calmed down once she stopped using cocaine and once the mega-success of the band had run its course (around 1988). Most of her sidemen insist she is great to work with and very down to earth.

I interpret her caustic, even rude comments as a manifestation of some insecurity--of which I suspect she has many. But then I don't know her personally, so who knows? She once complained that she worked with "bitchy" people in that department store before Stan Webb rescued her. Perhaps she was projecting? Perhaps she has always been one of those "bitchy" people herself?

Oh, and she is NOT one to talk about bad fashion choices.

[aleuzzi]

Some people say she was bombed when singing "Over & Over," for example, in St. Louis at the Checkerdome on Nov. 6, 1979.

I don't know if she was bombed, but she was horrendously out of tune.

[golddustdrummer]

Yes, Christine has said things about "lezzies" and "poofters" in a few places--the former in a People magazine article from 1976!

Bob Welch has said she was downright sarcastic and that this could be quite funny and amusing--if you were on the right side of it. But remember too that Bob Weston felt she, as well as the other Brits in the band, had become "impossible" with their newfound success. I imagine Christine calmed down once she stopped using cocaine and once the mega-success of the band had run its course (around 1988). Most of her sidemen insist she is great to work with and very down to earth.

I interpret her caustic, even rude comments as a manifestation of some insecurity--of which I suspect she has many. But then I don't know her personally, so who knows? She once complained that she worked with "bitchy" people in that department store before Stan Webb rescued her. Perhaps she was projecting? Perhaps she has always been one of those "bitchy" people herself?

Oh, and she is NOT one to talk about bad fashion choices.


maybe she was just overly sarcastic....maybe she was just kidding and was able to keep a straight face. If I had a nickel for every time I called someone a derogatory name in a kidding manner...I'd be rich. Or maybe she was just an uber bitch. Either way, I still love her! I just can't help it :D

[SteveMacD]

You know, I remember reading, shortly after she and John married, that Peter Green made some comment about them at a show, and she came up on stage and basically made a few Jewish jokes at his expense.

[LukeA]

You know, I remember reading, shortly after she and John married, that Peter Green made some comment about them at a show, and she came up on stage and basically made a few Jewish jokes at his expense.

well, if we're going to go in that direction... what kind of person shows up at a Halloween party dressed in blackface in the late 1970's? That has always bothered me. Forget about political correctness (ex- I'm willing to recognize Al Jolson as a spectacular entertainer) what inspired her to make that specific choice?

[fleetwoodtrick]

well, if we're going to go in that direction... what kind of person shows up at a Halloween party dressed in blackface in the late 1970's? That has always bothered me. Forget about political correctness (ex- I'm willing to recognize Al Jolson as a spectacular entertainer) what inspired her to make that specific choice?

OK, well I haven't read any of this thread, but I just wanted to say, don't get me started on Al Jolson. My Grandma was one of the founding members of the Al Jolson Society, so I know alllll about Jolson. (I even belong to the society. :/) She has about 3 rooms in her house dedicated to him. And most of the walls are covered with memorabilia, along with TONS of live shows and stuff. Most of which is on records. Sorry if I just wasted one minute of your life ranting about Al Jolson.

[becca]

Well, I don't like that she made comments about Jews or wore black face, that's pretty out there. I can picture the bluesy group meeting the mod-hippy boogie group in all the feathers, ruffles and stuff though... a bit like that scene in Black Adder where Edmund is trying to be the Earl of Doncaster, an absurd picture, but then I laughed at all the morris dancers jokes too so I'm kind of weird. I definitely tend to prefer self-depricating humour to the put-down sort the Brits often wallow in.

Al Jolson should've lived longer just so he could have covered Which Way You Goin' Billy by The Poppy Family. "Billy, don't ya know me Billy? Which Way Ya Goin'? Oh Billy boy, Can I come too?" I saw a movie of his where he dances with giant watermelon slices and it was just so dumb it was kind of enthralling in an Eraserhead sort of way.

[jbrownsjr]

well, if we're going to go in that direction... what kind of person shows up at a Halloween party dressed in blackface in the late 1970's? That has always bothered me. Forget about political correctness (ex- I'm willing to recognize Al Jolson as a spectacular entertainer) what inspired her to make that specific choice?

wasn't she Aunt Jermima ?... i can't remember the pic exactly...

[Gailh]

Based on everything we've read and known about Christine, I think its pretty safe to say that she's every bit the alcoholic that John is (although its effects manifested differently and more problematically with John). I have had concern for her in this regard, since she's an admitted recluse as it is.

I'm not saying any of this in a judgmental way- there's nothing wrong with the life she has chosen for herself. Its just an observation.

she apparently doesn't drink any more which is a good thing. the recluse thing has been overplayed I think. Just because we don't see or read about her in newspapers doesn't mean to say she's a recluse. she's retired.

Gail

[nicepace]

There is a certain level of outrageous behavior that is taken for granted among show business people that doesn't exist in normal social circles. There's usually a flamboyant side to someone who makes it in show biz, and they enjoy being able to show it. I also think this type of outrageousness serves as a sort of mutual self-defense technique among show business people. The very fact of being an entertainer means you're out there being scrutinized by the public, all the time. Thirty years later something you wore once is getting criticized by fans, for instance. (Cf. this thread.)

My point in saying this is that you really can't draw any conclusions about a show business person's real attitudes about Jews/blacks/gays/any minority because of a party costume or joke they told. If you see a pattern of behavior over time, then you can start drawing conclusions.

By the way, I think that performance of "Over and Over" is fabulous. I love Fleetwood Mac when they're a little rough around the edges. I don't think Chris sounds drunk in the sound clip. I think at the beginning she sounds hesitant, like she's having trouble getting the tempo of the song right, but she recovers halfway through the song. I think Mick/John save the day on this clip ... steady as a rock rhythm section.

[macfan 57]

wasn't she Aunt Jermima ?... i can't remember the pic exactly...

Here's a picture from that Halloween party. John is dressed up as a Nazi. Pretty embarrassing...lol.

I don't like her gay, Jewish(I think she referred to Peter Green as a cocky Jew boy at one time) jokes & blackface at that party. But times were a bit different in those days. She'd never get away with that these days.

[Gailh]

You know, I remember reading, shortly after she and John married, that Peter Green made some comment about them at a show, and she came up on stage and basically made a few Jewish jokes at his expense.

I don't remember that but I do remember reading parts of a biography of Peter Green where FM was onstage and Peter was introducing the band. This was before John & Christine married (I think). He mentioned that John was shy and took 6 months to pluck up enough courage to hold Christine's hand never mind "f**k the arse off her". John apparently got very cross and called him a "f**kin Jew".

You have to remember that this was a long time ago and language like that was common place. I'm not condoning it just pointing out that people in those days didn't even consider whether that might be disrepectful or hurtful in any way.

I heard Paul McCartney talking quite recently about Brian Epstein and he admitted that at the time they didn't say he was gay just "a poof"

Gail

[strandinthewind]

what inspired her to make that specific choice?

it was hysterical :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

she apparently doesn't drink any more which is a good thing. the recluse thing has been overplayed I think. Just because we don't see or read about her in newspapers doesn't mean to say she's a recluse. she's retired.

Gail


I remember reading she was quitting smoking, not drinking but I could be wrong.

I also think it was easy for her to escape the spot light because other than The Dance she's been out of the spotlight since 1991 or so, with the exception of ITM, which was not a major success. Plus., she lives in a small town.

[Gailh]

I remember reading she was quitting smoking, not drinking but I could be wrong.

I also think it was easy for her to escape the spot light because other than The Dance she's been out of the spotlight since 1991 or so, with the exception of ITM, which was not a major success. Plus., she lives in a small town.

Martin Wyatt has said she doesn't drink any more but I believe she started smoking again after her second marriage broke up.

Gail

[strandinthewind]

Martin Wyatt has said she doesn't drink any more but I believe she started smoking again after her second marriage broke up.

Gail

Ah ha!

:cool:

[Gailh]

Ah ha!

:cool:

Ah ha what?

Gail

[JWS]

well, if we're going to go in that direction... what kind of person shows up at a Halloween party dressed in blackface in the late 1970's? That has always bothered me. Forget about political correctness (ex- I'm willing to recognize Al Jolson as a spectacular entertainer) what inspired her to make that specific choice?

Al Jolson! He has been dead 50 years at least. He was in the first talking picture though. Actually it was silent except for one scene. Sorry. I recently read the Warner Brothers biography and tells about it.

[jbrownsjr]

it was hysterical :shrug:

i thought so... isn't halloween the one time you're allowed to do stereotypes or characters in good fun???

what's wrong with being black?

i need to take you guys to the west hollywood parade on halloweeen...

As far Christine or John's costume goes on the "off the meter scale"... not even close to groundbreaking....

Laughter is the best medicine...

[skcin]

I take that as the UNDERSTATEMENT of the day.

Come on people, don't be shocked. She was a very british selfabsorbed lady in the heydays. She normally didn't act it out much in the media. Those other two were just shameless streetfighters. But in that perspective: more transparant.

And she boozed. That was a white whine MACHINE.

Great post.

[Ulpian]

What a lot of guff (as we say in this part of the world).

So Christine uttered a few unfortunate comments in the dim and distant past; so did your parents, so did your grandparents et al. Let's not sit on our high horses and judge, lest we be judged.

As it goes, I am not schocked at Ken Caillat's comments. After all, he saw her (and the others) at their very worst. He did end his post, though, with "I liked her". That, surely, must be the overriding thing we take from his contribution.

[michelej1]

I have feared she was bigoted over the years. Of course, I'll never have to spend time with her personally and as long as she keeps it in the closet -- or at Halloween parties where the pictures are NOT released to the public -- then it doesn't change my opinion of her overall.

Michele

[becca]

Does she kick puppies when they aren't looking?

[golddustdrummer]

Does she kick puppies when they aren't looking?

and calls 'em "poofs" while wearing blackface ;)

[strandinthewind]

Ah ha what?

Gail

Ah Ha - that's it.

Of course, if you are going to start any vice - it should be when you break up.

[strandinthewind]

i thought so... isn't halloween the one time you're allowed to do stereotypes or characters in good fun???

what's wrong with being black?

i need to take you guys to the west hollywood parade on halloweeen...

As far Christine or John's costume goes on the "off the meter scale"... not even close to groundbreaking....

Laughter is the best medicine...

Moreover, LB's costume is making fun of and/or disrespecting the Catholic Church and I am sure the Wiccans are not too thrilled or La Nicks' portrayal of a with as a dead zombie. But, they are overlooked.

In the end, humor does not equal racism. Racism is all about intent. But, we are so bludgeoned with political correctness that humor is out the door.

[Cornflake Girl]

Does she kick puppies when they aren't looking?

I heard she controls the weather and wrote the screenplay to Glitter! ;)

[strandinthewind]

I heard she controls the weather and wrote the screenplay to Glitter! ;)

Jersey Girl :cool:

[carrie721]

Jersey Girl :cool:

gigli :eek: :distress:

[LukeA]

I stand corrected. When you're wrong, you're wrong.

Christine appearing in blackface was HILARIOUS! What a way to send up those silent films and make everyone laugh! I dooooo believe that was pure genius, Massuh!

[aleuzzi]

So Christine uttered a few unfortunate comments in the dim and distant past; so did your parents, so did your grandparents et al. Let's not sit on our high horses and judge, lest we be judged.

I agree. I'm not too shocked about what he said. None of it--as brief as it was--seems terribly out of the ordinary, perhaps a bit bitchy, but when was That a crime.

I did think, however, that she and he might have been a bit closer, since he worked on ITM with her. That could not have been a big-money project; he couldn't have been lured by a lucrative deal. The recent picture of them sitting close together, smiling, too, seemed friendly and warm.

[vivfox]

I have feared she was bigoted over the years.
Whatever gave you that idea?

[michelej1]

I did think, however, that she and he might have been a bit closer, since he worked on ITM with her. That could not have been a big-money project; he couldn't have been lured by a lucrative deal. The recent picture of them sitting close together, smiling, too, seemed friendly and warm.

But did they have a falling out during ITM? Or at least a mis-meeting of the minds? I guess I'd be surprised to hear they were close, at this point. Michele

[Gailh]

I did think, however, that she and he might have been a bit closer, since he worked on ITM with her. That could not have been a big-money project; he couldn't have been lured by a lucrative deal. The recent picture of them sitting close together, smiling, too, seemed friendly and warm.

Wasn't Ken quoted as saying he didn't like the final mix on ITM?

Gail

[macfan 57]

Wasn't Ken quoted as saying he didn't like the final mix on ITM?

Gail

Yes, he did say that. Also, she almost never mentioned Ken in those ITM interviews. She always said that ITM was really her & her nephew.

[nicepace]

I wonder what Ken didn't like about the production. Did he say anywhere? I personally wish there was more of an emphasis on Christine's keyboards/piano on the album. Although I think it sounds fine the way it is, I think they missed an opportunity to showcase her playing. For instance I'd love to hear "Calumny" accompanied by grand piano.

If Chris and Dan rejected some or all of Ken's ideas for the album, I can understand why he might be holding a (little tiny) grudge. I haven't been reading his thread on the other board but it doesn't sound like he has any huge animosity toward her.

[Gailh]

If Chris and Dan rejected some or all of Ken's ideas for the album, I can understand why he might be holding a (little tiny) grudge. I haven't been reading his thread on the other board but it doesn't sound like he has any huge animosity toward her.


If she didn't like his ideas then you can undestand why he might be a bit miffed especially as she probably wasn't overly gentle in the way she told him

"Ken, that's a f**kin stupid idea" :lol:

Gail

[aleuzzi]

I had no idea Ken was unhappy with the final mix of the record. I have no idea why. It's clear, clean, and prominently features her voice. Maybe she called in Ken thinking she'd need him only to discover she didn't.

Wow. Drama!

[jbrownsjr]

I stand corrected. When you're wrong, you're wrong.

Christine appearing in blackface was HILARIOUS! What a way to send up those silent films and make everyone laugh! I dooooo believe that was pure genius, Massuh!

Now see there Luke... your sarcasm made me laugh... this debate is like chasing your tail... and catching it!

[goldustsongbird]

Yes, Christine has said things about "lezzies" and "poofters" in a few places--the former in a People magazine article from 1976!

Bob Welch has said she was downright sarcastic and that this could be quite funny and amusing--if you were on the right side of it. But remember too that Bob Weston felt she, as well as the other Brits in the band, had become "impossible" with their newfound success. I imagine Christine calmed down once she stopped using cocaine and once the mega-success of the band had run its course (around 1988). Most of her sidemen insist she is great to work with and very down to earth.

I interpret her caustic, even rude comments as a manifestation of some insecurity--of which I suspect she has many. But then I don't know her personally, so who knows? She once complained that she worked with "bitchy" people in that department store before Stan Webb rescued her. Perhaps she was projecting? Perhaps she has always been one of those "bitchy" people herself?

Oh, and she is NOT one to talk about bad fashion choices.

I don't know about her fashion sense, but someone needs to tell her that her fried hair in 1976 (see Midnight Special) was pretty fûcking stupid.

Is that article the one where she said something about being weirded out by female fans? There was one where she said she found it weird that she had all of these "female groupies" lining up for her, but "not sexually - thank god!" :laugh:

Chris didn't do much cocaine though, did she? I always thought she was more about pot and alcohol.

[JWS]

I don't know about her fashion sense, but someone needs to tell her that her fried hair in 1976 (see Midnight Special) was pretty fûcking stupid.

Is that article the one where she said something about being weirded out by female fans? There was one where she said she found it weird that she had all of these "female groupies" lining up for her, but "not sexually - thank god!" :laugh:

Chris didn't do much cocaine though, did she? I always thought she was more about pot and alcohol.

Are you kidding. She has self admitted a hole in her nose from cocaine abuse. She was a drug addict...though not as bad off as Stevie Nicks who went into rehab. Christine was able to quit on her own, as far as I know.

[goldustsongbird]

Are you kidding. She has self admitted a hole in her nose from cocaine abuse. She was a drug addict...though not as bad off as Stevie Nicks who went into rehab. Christine was able to quit on her own, as far as I know.

Oh ****, you're right. My FM knowledge bank ain't what it used to be.

[Moz]

Are you kidding. She has self admitted a hole in her nose from cocaine abuse. She was a drug addict...though not as bad off as Stevie Nicks who went into rehab. Christine was able to quit on her own, as far as I know.

Huh. I thought it was just Stevie that had a hole in her nose.

[shackin'up]

The were a bunch of walking noseholes.

[louielouie2000]

I was earnestly asking for people's opinions about specific times that Christine was obviously bombed or whatever.

Okay, I *KNOW* you've seen the Tusk Documentary. She was completely blitzed during the entire thing. I just LOOOVE the scene where she was playing Never Make Me Cry, was completely hammered, and kept rambling about how she respected the "other musicians" :laugh:.

[michelej1]

Funny that with smoking and nose holes, Christine's voice hasn't deteriorated over the years. It was deeper on ITM, but I didn't get the impression that she's lost range.

Of course, some of you musicians would notice her singing in a lower key than she normally would have and things like that. It wouldn't be apparent to me.

I just thought her voice was full, pure, rich. I didn't think she was straining or cracking at all. And she sounded good for The Dance too. Michele

[jbrownsjr]

Funny that with smoking and nose holes, Christine's voice hasn't deteriorated over the years. It was deeper on ITM, but I didn't get the impression that she's lost range.

Of course, some of you musicians would notice her singing in a lower key than she normally would have and things like that. It wouldn't be apparent to me.

I just thought her voice was full, pure, rich. I didn't think she was straining or cracking at all. And she sounded good for The Dance too. Michele

The only thing I noticed was a slight strain on the top end... but again.. I wonder if she put that in on purpose for songs like Calumny.. (where it might call for anguish)...

On the graph of her range... her voice to my ears has gone up instead of down over the lifespan... listen to "Lonely without you BabY" to Everywhere.....

Her voice is brighter and higher...

I thought on the Dance she was scraping the top end of her range on Songs like Songbird.... but overall I think she's solid...

[Ulpian]

The were a bunch of walking noseholes.

"It has taken 10 years for everyone to get back on speaking terms. After the band split in 1987, its members pursued solo careers, until last summer, when a three Million-selling reunion album, The Dance, was followed by a sold-out US tour. The album won them three Grammy nominations, including Best Pop LP; the winners will be announced on February 25. All were in fine fettle on the tour, helped, Nicks says in her California-by-way-of-Phoenix whisper, by the fact that they are drug-free now. She hasn't touched anything for 12 years, since her doctor explained to her the damage a million dollars'worth of coke had done after daily ingestion for 15 years. 'Here, give me your pen." She leans over and makes a little sketch of two noses. "That's the hole in Chris's nose and that's the hole in my nose The first is a tiny dot, the other the size of a 10p piece. "You could put a big gold ring through my septum. It affects my eyes, my sinuses. It was a lot of fun for a long time, because we didn't know it was bad. But eventually it gets hold of you and all you can think about is where your next line is coming from." One 28-day stay in rehab in 1985 was sufficient to straighten her out. She was so "horrified" by the body search she was forced to undergo when she arrived at the Betty Ford Clinic that she resolved on the spot never to do coke again."

Stevie Nicks interview in The Guardian newspaper, 1998.

[goldustsongbird]

Okay, I *KNOW* you've seen the Tusk Documentary. She was completely blitzed during the entire thing. I just LOOOVE the scene where she was playing Never Make Me Cry, was completely hammered, and kept rambling about how she respected the "other musicians" :laugh:.

"I respect his opinion, even if he's wrong!" :lol:

The part that cracks me up is her at the piano, singing completely off key. "woooaaah ooohh oohhh!"

[carrie721]

"I respect his opinion, even if he's wrong!" :lol:

The part that cracks me up is her at the piano, singing completely off key. "woooaaah ooohh oohhh!"

y u gotta be such a canadian h8r?

[goldustsongbird]

y u gotta be such a canadian h8r?

Canadian h8rade has a higher h8 content.

[carrie721]

Canadian h8rade has a higher h8 content.

canadian h8rade: now with more concentrated beaver urine.

[goldustsongbird]

canadian h8rade: now with more concentrated beaver urine.

It's a good source of iron, what can I say. :blob2:

[michelej1]

"That's the hole in Chris's nose and that's the hole in my nose The first is a tiny dot, the other the size of a 10p piece.

I don't really trust Stevie's assessment of Christine's hole.

Michele

[strandinthewind]

I don't really trust Stevie's assessment of Christine's hole.

Michele

Me either - because I think it has been stretched out over the years far more than Stevie's hole :shrug:

[carrie721]

I don't really trust Stevie's assessment of Christine's hole.

Michele

well since christine is so anti-lezzie i doubt stevie's gotten anywhere near christine's hole.

Me either - because I think it has been stretched out over the years far more than Stevie's hole :shrug:

no one's hole is more stretched out than stevie's.

[vivfox]

well since christine is so anti-lezzie i doubt stevie's gotten anywhere near christine's hole.no one's hole is more stretched out than stevie's.
Gay people know that the "straight" ones who make gay jokes all the time usually end up being gay themselves.

[michelej1]

I always liked this quote Christine gave of what it was like in the old days. Blood in the alcohol is a great way to describe the emotional turmoil. It could have been a song title, actually:

"Yes, we were pretty nuts," Christine reflects about that time. "I used to go on stage and drink a bottle of Dom Perignon, and drink one offstage afterwards. It's not the kind of party I'd like to go to now. There was a lot of booze being drunk back then, there was blood floating around in the alcohol, which doesn't make for a stable environment."

[jbrownsjr]

well since christine is so anti-lezzie i doubt stevie's gotten anywhere near christine's hole.



no one's hole is more stretched out than stevie's.

Kudos to John...

[carrie721]

Kudos to John...

LOL.

well played.

:cool:

[strandinthewind]

Kudos to John...

:xoxo:

touche'

[Gailh]

I've just been watching the end of the Wimbledon coverage and Boris Becker was on wearing the most appalling shirt.

And I just had to say it - "In the words of the legendary Christine McVie, Boris that is a f**kin stupid shirt " :lol:

Gail

[jbrownsjr]

LOL.

well played.

:cool:

always a pleasure ;)

[jbrownsjr]

I've just been watching the end of the Wimbledon coverage and Boris Becker was on wearing the most appalling shirt.

And I just had to say it - "In the words of the legendary Christine McVie, Boris that is a f**kin stupid shirt " :lol:

Gail

don't forget your smokes and champagne..

[Gailh]

don't forget your smokes and champagne..

That would be for CM of the 70's and 80's

Nowadays I would have to have a cup of tea and a chocolate hobknob

Gail

[golddustdrummer]

kind of off topic but...
I'm going to say something that I have been rolling around in my head for months. To me, it sounds like she is using auto-tune for her voice on some of those tracks on that CD. Does anyone else hear it? It is extremely noticeable on So Sincere: "oh didn't you like my love song darling" that darling part reminded me of Cher on Believe. She sounded like she was using it on some of The Dance tracks too.

I don't know how everyone on here feels about an artist using auto-tune.
maybe there was already a thread talking about this so I'll shut up for now.
but it has bothered me for a while.

[Ulpian]

kind of off topic but...
I'm going to say something that I have been rolling around in my head for months. To me, it sounds like she is using auto-tune for her voice on some of those tracks on that CD. Does anyone else hear it? It is extremely noticeable on So Sincere: "oh didn't you like my love song darling" that darling part reminded me of Cher on Believe. She sounded like she was using it on some of The Dance tracks too.

I don't know how everyone on here feels about an artist using auto-tune.
maybe there was already a thread talking about this so I'll shut up for now.
but it has bothered me for a while.

I think everybody's vocals were 'tidied up' on The Dance.

However, on ITM all I hear is raw vocal.

[Gailh]

kind of off topic but...
I'm going to say something that I have been rolling around in my head for months. To me, it sounds like she is using auto-tune for her voice on some of those tracks on that CD. Does anyone else hear it? It is extremely noticeable on So Sincere: "oh didn't you like my love song darling" that darling part reminded me of Cher on Believe. She sounded like she was using it on some of The Dance tracks too.

I don't know how everyone on here feels about an artist using auto-tune.
maybe there was already a thread talking about this so I'll shut up for now.
but it has bothered me for a while.

Not according to her nephew, Dan (mind you he would say that wouldn't he?)

He said they didn't have to do any "mucking about"

She herself said she had to "sing and re-sing the songs" in order to sing them accurately.

I would say not but who knows?

Gail

[golddustdrummer]

go to iTunes.
Listen to the snippet of "So Sincere"
the "dahhling" part is at about 5-6secs in.

I love Christine to death, but I can't say I believe that is raw vocal talent.
It just doesn't sound natural JMO


I also don't like they way she says "rising sun" something about that gives me the willies. but I think a back-up singer is singing along with her, so I'll blame them too lolol


but I still LOVE the CD and listen to it all the time.
I'm not hating on Christine...just curious if anyone heard what I heard.

[Ulpian]

go to iTunes.
Listen to the snippet of "So Sincere"
the "dahhling" part is at about 5-6secs in.

I love Christine to death, but I can't say I believe that is raw vocal talent.
It just doesn't sound natural JMO


I also don't like they way she says "rising sun" something about that gives me the willies. but I think a back-up singer is singing along with her, so I'll blame them too lolol


but I still LOVE the CD and listen to it all the time.
I'm not hating on Christine...just curious if anyone heard what I heard.


Absolutely cannot hear what you're referring to.

Christine's contralto range has always sounded a little 'different' -- maybe it's just the way she holds a note nowadays that sounds weird to you? I just don't think it's vocal distortion, especially not after she and Dan banged on about how little they had to tweak things when they made the album.

[jbrownsjr]

kind of off topic but...
I'm going to say something that I have been rolling around in my head for months. To me, it sounds like she is using auto-tune for her voice on some of those tracks on that CD. Does anyone else hear it? It is extremely noticeable on So Sincere: "oh didn't you like my love song darling" that darling part reminded me of Cher on Believe. She sounded like she was using it on some of The Dance tracks too.

I don't know how everyone on here feels about an artist using auto-tune.
maybe there was already a thread talking about this so I'll shut up for now.
but it has bothered me for a while.

It used by most every artist out there now... It sounds so stale to me... the equilevent of being completely on the beat with out any swing or slight tempo changes....

it's just the industry thing to do... I miss the days where life was more raw...

[SortaSavageLike]

Kudos to John...

John McVie is a genius God among musicians and I'm very upset that you said that. Christine hurt him more than he ever hurt her. I'm calling my mommy and telling on you!

(Actually, not really.)

[jbrownsjr]

John McVie is a genius God among musicians and I'm very upset that you said that. Christine hurt him more than he ever hurt her. I'm calling my mommy and telling on you!

(Actually, not really.)

Savage!!! where've u been

[aleuzzi]

go to iTunes.
Listen to the snippet of "So Sincere"
the "dahhling" part is at about 5-6secs in.

I love Christine to death, but I can't say I believe that is raw vocal talent.
It just doesn't sound natural JMO


I also don't like they way she says "rising sun" something about that gives me the willies. but I think a back-up singer is singing along with her, so I'll blame them too lolol


but I still LOVE the CD and listen to it all the time.
I'm not hating on Christine...just curious if anyone heard what I heard.

I really don't hear what you're saying. Her voice is pretty much naked on ITM in all its imperfect glory. As was already mentioned, she holds her notes differently now, and there are these interesting little curls and bends that weren't there before.

[becca]

If you're getting ITM via iTunes or other download you're getting a digitally compressed mp3 or similar file, so maybe that is why it sounds at all like Cher's later stuff. If you have the proper CD release it doesn't sound like that.

[golddustdrummer]

If you're getting ITM via iTunes or other download you're getting a digitally compressed mp3 or similar file, so maybe that is why it sounds at all like Cher's later stuff. If you have the proper CD release it doesn't sound like that.

yeah, you're probably right...It was just strange to hear her sound like that, and I didn't know compression could do that. She sounds good though, just different.

[jbrownsjr]

yeah, you're probably right...It was just strange to hear her sound like that, and I didn't know compression could do that. She sounds good though, just different.

I agree she sounds different...

Her lower voice really sounded great to me... it was a nice surprise...

[goldustsongbird]

go to iTunes.
Listen to the snippet of "So Sincere"
the "dahhling" part is at about 5-6secs in.

I love Christine to death, but I can't say I believe that is raw vocal talent.
It just doesn't sound natural JMO


I also don't like they way she says "rising sun" something about that gives me the willies. but I think a back-up singer is singing along with her, so I'll blame them too lolol


but I still LOVE the CD and listen to it all the time.
I'm not hating on Christine...just curious if anyone heard what I heard.

She used something for sure on The Dance. All of the songs were corrected, but I notice it the most during Christine's songs, especially the chorus in Everywhere. (The word 'everywhere' is a bit Cher-bot sounding)

[aleuzzi]

Hey everyone reading this thread...check out Ken's latest comment on working with Christine for ITM. It's revealing--and pretty sad.

[michelej1]

Hey everyone reading this thread...check out Ken's latest comment on working with Christine for ITM. It's revealing--and pretty sad.

Well, I don't know what her reasoning behind the dog thing was. I wouldn't want to be in the room when they were eating anyway.

I hope that proviso had something to do with their behavior and temperament around strangers and not anything to do with her going all Howard Hughes crazy on us. Plus, the way she has always loved her dogs, she might have been making you leave the room when they ate 30 years ago too. I remember how she was crying when retelling how the one was lost in that video footage.

Anyway, I'm sorry that she won't be contributing to Ken's book. I want to hear from her. I think if she did another album, I'd love the new batch of interviews that would emerge from the promotion as much as I'd love the new music.

Michele

[Gailh]

Well I'm not sure if she reads this board (doubt it) but if she didn't want to be interviewed before she sure as hell wont now.

Gail

[aleuzzi]

Good point, Gail. But if she does read the board, she'll realize how many of us out here absolutely love her music and her glorious voice. Hardly a day has passed in the last 30 years where I haven't heard that voice coming out of a stereo or computer.

[Gailh]

As it's her birthday today shall we all cebebrate by having a cigarette and a glass (or two) of champagne? Or perhaps we could just stick to wearing f**kin stupid shirts :laugh:

On a slightly more serious note does anyone else get the impression that our Christine doesn't forgive very easily? Bob Welch has said that she doesn't like him very much when clearly Mick has let bygones be bygones and now perhaps Mr Caillat has been given the same treatment.

Also "hiding out in Canterbury"??? What is that supposed to mean?

Gail

[jbrownsjr]

It means she's done with FM.... I have no problem with that whatsoever... she's more than paid her dues....

Christine: This fan here wants you to retire in peace... you are too rich too tour.. and your dogs deserve to eat without all the engineers and staff walking around in their way...

you've earned it girl... now go relax....

[macfan 57]

I suspected that ITM may have ended with a bit of a falling out between Chris & Ken Caillat. She never really mentioned Ken in her ITM interviews & Ken did have a few negative things to say about the album.

As for being too rich to tour, she probably is. No big deal there.

As for her dogs, small breed dogs can get a bit temperamental. Maybe, they won't eat if someone else is in the room. A few years ago, I had a dog who wouldn't eat if I wasn't in the room. I don't think it's all that big of a deal.

I don't know what hiding out in Canterbury means. It sounds like a nice, beautiful little town in the English countryside. It sounds to me like a great place to "hide out".:D

I don't think Chris forgets anything. She does seem to hold a grudge forever. That's not a good thing & I think it's a shame.

[nicepace]

I don't usually participate in gossip threads, but I'll make an exception this time.

Ken wrote in the other thread:


I thought Chris and I were good when I first started Meantime, but she was stopping drinking and smoking and trying to get over the school teacher, and hiding out in Cantebury with her dogs, and I started feeling her eccentricity.

What school teacher? Is this the mystery bloke to whom Chris referred during the 'ITM' interviews? During those interviews she said that she had had a relationship but it ended, and that this was the inspiration for her to write the songs and record the album.

At the time, I suspected that she made up this story, so she'd have a ready answer when people asked her why she recorded this album after apparently retiring for good ... but now this little detail that Ken let slip may indicate she was telling the truth, after all.

[strandinthewind]

. . . I don't think it's all that big of a deal . . . .

I ordinarily would not either - but, it was to Ken C.

[jbrownsjr]

I ordinarily would not either - but, it was to Ken C.

You mean the same guy that filled plastic bags with baking soda and spilled them pretending it was cocaine...

I can't imagine how anyone could become arrogant or sarcastic doing huges amounts of cocaine on a daily basis shrouded in a studio and becoming an instant millionare.... I know I would be humble as a lamb.. :rolleyes:

[Gailh]

I suspected that ITM may have ended with a bit of a falling out between Chris & Ken Caillat. She never really mentioned Ken in her ITM interviews & Ken did have a few negative things to say about the album.

As for being too rich to tour, she probably is. No big deal there.


I don't know what hiding out in Canterbury means. It sounds like a nice, beautiful little town in the English countryside. It sounds to me like a great place to "hide out".:D

I don't think Chris forgets anything. She does seem to hold a grudge forever. That's not a good thing & I think it's a shame.

Yup - they've had a falling out alright.

Too rich to tour - I agree she probably is (bit arrogant though)

Canterbury is a beautiful English Cathedral town. As for "hiding out" what does he expect? Being seen at parties in London every night?

she's going to love him to bits for the "school teacher" comment

Gail

[strandinthewind]

You mean the same guy that filled plastic bags with baking soda and spilled them pretending it was cocaine...

I can't imagine how anyone could become arrogant or sarcastic doing huges amounts of cocaine on a daily basis shrouded in a studio and becoming an instant millionare.... I know I would be humble as a lamb.. :rolleyes:

Lord Child - you ain't tellin no lies! Note - I think CM is likely very eccentric and I love her for it.

[Ulpian]

Lord Child - you ain't tellin no lies! Note - I think CM is likely very eccentric and I love her for it.

Hear hear.

God bless Christine. I wouldn't want her any other way. :lol:

[strandinthewind]

Hear hear.

God bless Christine. I wouldn't want her any other way. :lol:

I think what many in the states do not realize is the British can be very pissy. I am not saying this as a slam. It is just part of their culture, especially CM's era. Along with that comes the eccentricity when the women get a little older. This is just based on my personal observations while in England and reading WAY too many Agatha Christie movies :cool:

In the end, I still maintain CM is given a pass for her bitchy behavior when compared to La Nicks. I mean look at the people around here ganging on to slam La Nicks for recently talking about the times when she and LB were dirt poor, etc. But, such is life.

[becca]

"Who will rid me of these meddlesome engineers/fans!" to coin a phrase...

[jbrownsjr]

I think what many in the states do not realize is the British can be very pissy. I am not saying this as a slam. It is just part of their culture, especially CM's era. Along with that comes the eccentricity when the women get a little older. This is just based on my personal observations while in England and reading WAY too many Agatha Christie movies :cool:

In the end, I still maintain CM is given a pass for her bitchy behavior when compared to La Nicks. I mean look at the people around here ganging on to slam La Nicks for recently talking about the times when she and LB were dirt poor, etc. But, such is life.

When McVie is arrogant it's funny to me because she's Christine McVie.... and she comes off as a classy regal british lady... and quite funny at times... almost like Absolutely Fabulous... (the show) sweetie darling sweetie sweetie sweetie darling

When Linsdey is arrogant he makes himself look like a little whiney bitch.... Althought I thought in Destiny Rules he was trying to pull it all together and everyone else gave him ****... I give LB full credit in dealing with the other 3 lunatics on that DVD.

When Stevie is arrogant it doesn't bother me too much because she's just on another planet... like Christine but in a different way... Stevie Nicks is cool to me because she's nuts...

Just my observation over the past 30 yrs...

[goldustsongbird]

When McVie is arrogant it's funny to me because she's Christine McVie.... and she comes off as a classy regal british lady... and quite funny at times... almost like Absolutely Fabulous... (the show) sweetie darling sweetie sweetie sweetie darling

When Linsdey is arrogant he makes himself look like a little whiney bitch.... Althought I thought in Destiny Rules he was trying to pull it all together and everyone else gave him ****... I give LB full credit in dealing with the other 3 lunatics on that DVD.

When Stevie is arrogant it doesn't bother me too much because she's just on another planet... like Christine but in a different way... Stevie Nicks is cool to me because she's nuts...

Just my observation over the past 30 yrs...

Stevie is nuts. She's a self professed drama queen, so I've come to expect that from her. I just laugh it off when she goes into serious-Stevie-I-am-a-famous-gypsy mode during interviews. It's funny because I don't have to live with her. :cool:

Now when John McVie is arrogant, then you've gotta wonder...

[coopcoop]

I think what many in the states do not realize is the British can be very pissy. I am not saying this as a slam. It is just part of their culture, especially CM's era. Along with that comes the eccentricity when the women get a little older. This is just based on my personal observations while in England and reading WAY too many Agatha Christie movies :cool:

In the end, I still maintain CM is given a pass for her bitchy behavior when compared to La Nicks. I mean look at the people around here ganging on to slam La Nicks for recently talking about the times when she and LB were dirt poor, etc. But, such is life.


do you remember the quotes or have any links to those threads about nicks interviews?

she really claims to have been dirt poor but it doesn't always match up with other accounts of their time in LA. I am just wondering, its an interesting story but it does seem strange with both buckingham and nicks coming from upper middle class families that money would not have been sent, lindsey buckingham did have a big inheritance from an aunt supposedly

[daniellaaarisen]

Stevie is nuts. She's a self professed drama queen, so I've come to expect that from her. I just laugh it off when she goes into serious-Stevie-I-am-a-famous-gypsy mode during interviews.

I totally love her more for it. She's totally wacko but that I-am-a-famous-gypsy mode is derived from her exceedingly rare ability to find the benevolence of beauty in ANYTHING. All cynicism surrounding her is crushed under the "great dark wing" of unwound dreams and layers upon layers of fabric, sunrises that love to go down and rain that can wash you clean, ghosts in the fog and black moons in those eyes of hers. Yes, she's a total drama queen-- but it accentuates the beautiful to her. She seems to react solely based upon what her gut tells her, even when her mind may realize how ridiculous her gut really is.

With Christine, its just totally different. I don't think Stevie's specific type of arrogance is neccessarily arrogance considering (I believe) its derived from her unbelievable trust in her emotions and how she feels about her own specific means in conveying them.

[Gailh]

I think what many in the states do not realize is the British can be very pissy. I am not saying this as a slam. It is just part of their culture, especially CM's era. Along with that comes the eccentricity when the women get a little older. This is just based on my personal observations while in England and reading WAY too many Agatha Christie movies :cool:

In the end, I still maintain CM is given a pass for her bitchy behavior when compared to La Nicks. I mean look at the people around here ganging on to slam La Nicks for recently talking about the times when she and LB were dirt poor, etc. But, such is life.

I agree that we English can be very pissy and we get away with it! If someone uses bad language as long as it's said in a posh voice it's OK. Helen Mirren not going "arse over tit" as she so charmingly put it.

I agree that Christine gets away with it way more than Stevie but if this thread has proved anything it's - SHOCK HORROR - Christine McVie normal human being. I have no doubt that although I love Christine's music and I am sure she would be perfectly charming if I met her, if I spent any length of time with her we would end up arguing - especially if she told me my clothes were f**kin' stupid.

Gail

[strandinthewind]

do you remember the quotes or have any links to those threads about nicks interviews?

she really claims to have been dirt poor but it doesn't always match up with other accounts of their time in LA. I am just wondering, its an interesting story but it does seem strange with both buckingham and nicks coming from upper middle class families that money would not have been sent, lindsey buckingham did have a big inheritance from an aunt supposedly

As recently as the last tour. Before maybe Gypsy, she would go into the story about how broke they were. In the end, I think their parents helped them out (which is more than most get) but they were on a tight budget in that LB did not work, La Nicks did low paying jobs, and pot was expensive

[OldTimer]

, and pot was expensive

:laugh: :thumbsup: best line I've read all day.....

[strandinthewind]

:laugh: :thumbsup: best line I've read all day.....

Every now and then - I come up with a zinger :cool:

[jbrownsjr]

Every now and then - I come up with a zinger :cool:

if every now and then is every 10 min... :rolleyes:

[coopcoop]

As recently as the last tour. Before maybe Gypsy, she would go into the story about how broke they were. In the end, I think their parents helped them out (which is more than most get) but they were on a tight budget in that LB did not work, La Nicks did low paying jobs, and pot was expensive

Great response thanks:thumbsup:

[strandinthewind]

if every now and then is every 10 min... :rolleyes:


Your shirt is fukcing stupid :cool:

[SortaSavageLike]

Your shirt is fukcing stupid :cool:

It came as no great surprise, then, that strandinthewind's T-shirt was not only "fukcing" stupid, but perhaps even stupider than jbrownsjr's T-shirt.
http://i30.tinypic.com/5cismp.jpg

[becca]

Stevie Nicks worked as a waitress for a number of months to pay the rent while Lindsey fiddled with tech gear and hung out with his noisy friends while she had to sleep to get up early. Big wah I'm sure right? I had to pick fruit and shell veggies, scale fish and boil pot fulls of crabs, and like her I'll never forget it, and that was my summer vacation most years! Big wah also I'm sure. Or maybe she's talking about how she had to haul amps and speakers around to seedy dives with Fritz because they spend the roadie money on beer. It's all a 'big wah' to somebody who had it rougher, and there's always somebody who has. "I got a hole in my nose from snorting coke," big wah!

[jbrownsjr]

Your shirt is fukcing stupid :cool:

This information about Christine only confirms to me she is flawless!

[goldustsongbird]

It came as no great surprise, then, that strandinthewind's T-shirt was not only "fukcing" stupid, but perhaps even stupider than jbrownsjr's T-shirt.
http://i30.tinypic.com/5cismp.jpg

Is this one of those "complete this sentence" games? My **** and I know nothing.

[chiliD]

...and pot was expensive

In the 1970's??? Hell, no...pot was easier to afford than beer. :nod:

[David]

Before maybe Gypsy, she would go into the story about how broke they were. In the end, I think their parents helped them out (which is more than most get) but they were on a tight budget in that LB did not work, La Nicks did low paying jobs, and pot was expensiveHow much did Lindsey make in those years doing sessions & live work?

[strandinthewind]

I do not know how much LB made. He, however, has never refuted La Nicks' version.

[jbrownsjr]

I do not know how much LB made. He, however, has never refuted La Nicks' version.

assuming he pays attention to her :D

[strandinthewind]

assuming he pays attention to her :D

Only when he makes her pretend to ice skate :cool:

[jbrownsjr]

Only when he makes her pretend to ice skate :cool:

Or when he tells her to pretend she knows ballet...

[strandinthewind]

Or when he tells her to pretend she knows ballet...

:eek:

Actually, she was not that bad. She was never a serious ballerina or anything like that (which BTW she never pretended to be) - but she was okay.

[jbrownsjr]

:eek:

Actually, she was not that bad. She was never a serious ballerina or anything like that (which BTW she never pretended to be) - but she was okay.

:) i was going off the Gypsy Video... :xoxo:

[strandinthewind]

:) i was going off the Gypsy Video... :xoxo:

My fav in that is when she tries to spot while twirling in the fairy glitter at it obviously gets in her nose and stuff. It is toward the very end (3:36 on this video)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1zp5s_fleetwood-mac-gypsy_music

[David]

My fav in that is when she tries to spot while twirling in the fairy glitter at it obviously gets in her nose and stuff. It is toward the very end (3:36 on this video)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1zp5s_fleetwood-mac-gypsy_musicThe problem with trying to ascertain Stevie's dance skill in any of these videos is that the cuts are too rapid & the camera is often in closeup, so we viewers can't examine a lengthy enough piece of footage of Stevie's whole body.

[strandinthewind]

The problem with trying to ascertain Stevie's dance skill in any of these videos is that the cuts are too rapid & the camera is often in closeup, so we viewers can't examine a lengthy enough piece of footage of Stevie's whole body.

MTV glorified those fast cuts. But, I can say that cool, shimmering white robe/dress is very cool in its movement.

[jbrownsjr]

MTV glorified those fast cuts. But, I can say that cool, shimmering white robe/dress is very cool in its movement.

I loved the Gypsy Video...

I think they spent 75K doing it...

[strandinthewind]

I loved the Gypsy Video...

I think they spent 75K doing it...

I think it was the most expensive video when it was made. I think the concept of it is cool and they all look fab. I LOVE CM in it. But, there is no one else on the screen when La Nicks appears. She was at the top of her game then IMO.

Interestingly, do we know whose kids those are?

[jbrownsjr]

I think it was the most expensive video when it was made. I think the concept of it is cool and they all look fab. I LOVE CM in it. But, there is no one else on the screen when La Nicks appears. She was at the top of her game then IMO.

Interestingly, do we know whose kids those are?

McVie was blowing up from Hold Me and Nicks had blown up from Stop Draggin, Leather and Lace.. and then this video came out...

It was a great time ....

[michelej1]

How much did Lindsey make in those years doing sessions & live work?

In that Warren Zevon book, one of the guys said that Lindsey was making something like $400 a week and he asked Lindsey why he was bothering to join FM when he could make that kind of money on the road.

Plus, Stevie said in one of those Australian interviews that she left Lindsey for months, but then ran out of money and had to return and eat crow by asking him to move back into his apartment. If he and Richard paid the rent without Stevie's contribution for months on end, he obviously had some kind of income, whether he earned it from odd musical jobs or got it from his parents or whatever. Well, either he or Richard had income.


Michele

[vivfox]

Stevie said that she left Lindsey for months, but then ran out of money and had to return and eat crow by asking him to move back into his apartment.

Sheryl was there??:]

[jbrownsjr]

Sheryl was there??:]

hahahahahaha errrrrrr i mean ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww... :p

[David]

In that Warren Zevon book, one of the guys said that Lindsey was making something like $400 a week and he asked Lindsey why he was bothering to join FM when he could make that kind of money on the road.

Plus, Stevie said in one of those Australian interviews that she left Lindsey for months, but then ran out of money and had to return and eat crow by asking him to move back into his apartment. If he and Richard paid the rent without Stevie's contribution for months on end, he obviously had some kind of income, whether he earned it from odd musical jobs or got it from his parents or whatever. Well, either he or Richard had income.That's what I thought. The idea that Nicks did all the drudge work while he sat around & smoked pot comes entirely from Nicks herself.

The only thing I remember Lindsey saying is from one of those very old Robert Morgan radio shows. Lindsey said he tried at one point to sell something or other over the phone -- what we now call telemarketing -- but he wasn't cut out for it.

[michelej1]

That's what I thought. The idea that Nicks did all the drudge work while he sat around & smoked pot comes entirely from Nicks herself.

The only thing I remember Lindsey saying is from one of those very old Robert Morgan radio shows. Lindsey said he tried at one point to sell something or other over the phone -- what we now call telemarketing -- but he wasn't cut out for it.

Yes, in the book on Zevon, I'll Sleep When I'm Dead, it was Eddie Ponder, the drummer in Don Everly's band, who said that Lindsey was making $450 a week. When he, Lindsey, Zevon and Paul Uhrig were on the road together. Of course, that gig didn't last long.



Michele

[nicepace]

I hope you guys won't take this the wrong way ... but this is the Christine board. Could you take this conversation somewhere else, please?

[David]

I hope you guys won't take this the wrong way ... but this is the Christine board. Could you take this conversation somewhere else, please?
You're right, Joanne. Sorry. It's just that with the miniscule amount of Christine conversation in general, I never think about the repercussions of thread drift.

[jbrownsjr]

You're right, Joanne. Sorry. It's just that with the miniscule amount of Christine conversation in general, I never think about the repercussions of thread drift.

I actually don't mind the drift... to me it's part of the conversation.... let it go where it may.... threads always drift.... I'm just glad to have people with me in the Christine thread...

I get lonely sometimes in here... :(

[trackaghost]

I actually don't mind the drift... to me it's part of the conversation.... let it go where it may.... threads always drift.... I'm just glad to have people with me in the Christine thread...

I get lonely sometimes in here... :(


But, but I spent ages posting more Christine photos in the Perfekt thread and you're ignoring it!
Admittedly, I did say I was the only one here who likes you though :laugh: :D

[jbrownsjr]

But, but I spent ages posting more Christine photos in the Perfekt thread and you're ignoring it!
Admittedly, I did say I was the only one here who likes you though :laugh: :D

No i didn't ignore them.... I sent them to my friend who wanted them... THANK YOU SO MUCH... THEY'RE AWESOME PHOTOS....

I like you too... all I need is one person to like me... screw the rest!!! :lol:

[michelej1]

I hope you guys won't take this the wrong way ... but this is the Christine board. Could you take this conversation somewhere else, please?

The thread did indeed get hijacked. Feel free to start a new one that's on topic.

Michele

[aleuzzi]

The thread did indeed get hijacked. Feel free to start a new one that's on topic.

Michele

Yeah, we've come a long way from "Can you believe she said his shirt was stupid?!"

LOL.

Any life in the Christine chatroom is cool with me.

[trackaghost]

No i didn't ignore them.... I sent them to my friend who wanted them... THANK YOU SO MUCH... THEY'RE AWESOME PHOTOS....

I like you too... all I need is one person to like me... screw the rest!!! :lol:

That's more like it!
But really, I'm just kidding, although if I known they were for your friend! Well, then :mad:
:D

[jbrownsjr]

That's more like it!
But really, I'm just kidding, although if I known they were for your friend! Well, then :mad:
:D

LOL... they were for me for a friend....

my best friend told me he did something wrong... so i sent him the christine pic with that shirt.... lol...

he totally got the joke...

[PenguinHead]

Some chicks can get away with it no matter what and CM seemingly is one of them. If La Nicks has said that (which I do not really see her saying) - she'd be eviscerated as a cu*t :shrug:

Remember that video from the mid-seventies...when an interviewer asked Christine something akin to "What is it like to be a rock and roll sex symbol?" She replied, " I don't know, ask Stevie Nicks." Loved that!!

[MoonWaterPoet]

Gay people know that the "straight" ones who make gay jokes all the time usually end up being gay themselves.

Aint that the Truth!!! Lmaooooo!!! :nod:


Donnie Wayne ~

[MoonWaterPoet]

Well I'm not sure if she reads this board (doubt it) but if she didn't want to be interviewed before she sure as hell wont now.

Gail

That's my point exactly... You can "Bet Your Sweet Bippy" that if she knows about the 'Ledge' she is most likely to be reading... And with Ken's comments about her... No wonder he has not heard back from Christine or her management about contributing to his book... How many times do we have to have 'Rumours' era rehashed and rewritten... The Horse is dead, Quit Kicking it...


Donnie Wayne ~

[MoonWaterPoet]

It means she's done with FM.... I have no problem with that whatsoever... she's more than paid her dues....

Christine: This fan here wants you to retire in peace... you are too rich too tour.. and your dogs deserve to eat without all the engineers and staff walking around in their way...

you've earned it girl... now go relax....


Amen !!!


Donnie Wayne ~

[MoonWaterPoet]

It came as no great surprise, then, that strandinthewind's T-shirt was not only "fukcing" stupid, but perhaps even stupider than jbrownsjr's T-shirt.
http://i30.tinypic.com/5cismp.jpg


Lmaooooooooooo!!! :]:]:]


Donnie Wayne ~

[MoonWaterPoet]

In the 1970's??? Hell, no...pot was easier to afford than beer. :nod:


Yes it Was... And back then they didn't have scales to measure it out, they used their fingers wide... And a 'five finger' bag weighed more than an ounce... And Columbian Gold & Tie Stick... Yikes, and Bananna flavored roling papers...

Okay, I'll Quit telling on myself... :shrug:



Donnie Wayne ~

[Erin]

That's my point exactly... You can "Bet Your Sweet Bippy" that if she knows about the 'Ledge' she is most likely to be reading... And with Ken's comments about her... No wonder he has not heard back from Christine or her management about contributing to his book... How many times do we have to have 'Rumours' era rehashed and rewritten... The Horse is dead, Quit Kicking it...


Donnie Wayne ~

I highly doubt she has heard of or read The Ledge. I can't imagine her as the computer type. I imagine her manager handles all of that.

[jbrownsjr]

I highly doubt she reads these threads...

[Gailh]

I highly doubt she reads these threads...

No I don't think she does. I think she is aware of this site though, I'm sure I read that somewhere.

If you ARE reading this Christine don't you think we all say some f*ckin stupid things at times? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Gail

[jbrownsjr]

No I don't think she does. I think she is aware of this site though, I'm sure I read that somewhere.

If you ARE reading this Christine don't you think we all say some f*ckin stupid things at times? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Gail

There's no stopping em...

[MoonWaterPoet]

No I don't think she does. I think she is aware of this site though, I'm sure I read that somewhere.

If you ARE reading this Christine don't you think we all say some f*ckin stupid things at times? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Gail



Yes, WE all sometimes write some "****in stupid things" here and on other Fleetwood Mac & Stevie messages boards...

But my point is that Once someone mentions that they are writting a book about Fleetwood Mac... and #2 those members of the band are being contacted about the book... You can't tell me that they are not searching on what's going to be written about them... Especially on one of the biggest Fleetwood Mac online message boards... If they are not reading the message boards themselves... then I certainly know they are having someone read them for them... Especially if they know they are about to be written about in a book...

And Don't Tell me that Carol Ann Harris did not come here and/or have anyone read posts from here after she wrote her book "Storms" ~ And she dating Lindsey... and this message board called the 'Ledge' after a Lindsey song...


Give me A F*uckin' Break...

And now the 'Unleashed" tour is heading to England... "I'm sure Christine knows Nothing about Ken's new book or Nothing"...

Give Me A Break... When several of the Mac members are here on this Board...


Donnie Wayne ~

[macfan 57]

No I don't think she does. I think she is aware of this site though, I'm sure I read that somewhere.

Gail

Yes, she is aware of this website. She sent an e-mail to Lisa Adelson(the previous site owner) complimenting her on the site. I really doubt she reads the message board though. At least I hope she doesn't.;) Martin Wyatt might read it occasionally though.

[SteveMacD]

Yes, WE all sometimes write some "****in stupid things" here and on other Fleetwood Mac & Stevie messages boards...

But my point is that Once someone mentions that they are writting a book about Fleetwood Mac... and #2 those members of the band are being contacted about the book... You can't tell me that they are not searching on what's going to be written about them... Especially on one of the biggest Fleetwood Mac online message boards... If they are not reading the message boards themselves... then I certainly know they are having someone read them for them... Especially if they know they are about to be written about in a book...

And Don't Tell me that Carol Ann Harris did not come here and/or have anyone read posts from here after she wrote her book "Storms" ~ And she dating Lindsey... and this message board called the 'Ledge' after a Lindsey song...


Give me A F*uckin' Break...

And now the 'Unleashed" tour is heading to England... "I'm sure Christine knows Nothing about Ken's new book or Nothing"...

Give Me A Break... When several of the Mac members are here on this Board...


Donnie Wayne ~
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FJHDF2W6L._SL500_AA240_.jpg

Actually, I'm sure most are so busy actually living that they don't really GAF about this board.

[Cornflake Girl]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FJHDF2W6L._SL500_AA240_.jpg

Actually, I'm sure most are so busy actually living that they don't really GAF about this board.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

(the online equivalent of not being able to talk for laughing)

[nicepace]

Christine McVie is retired from music, has detached herself from her former career as a member of Fleetwood Mac, and from what I've read she is not particularly savvy about or interested in the internet.

Meaning, I seriously doubt that she reads this board or has someone reading it for her. Our chatter amongst ourselves just simply isn't important to her.

If she did send an email once to the former site manager, it probably means she looked at the site once, a long time ago, maybe when someone was showing her how to surf the web.

Those fans who post to a message board thinking "the star is going to read my ideas" are misguided, I think. I've seen this phenomenon on other message boards for other bands. Some fans *like* the idea that the star is "listening" ... others are embarrassed at the thought.

[Erin]

Yes, WE all sometimes write some "****in stupid things" here and on other Fleetwood Mac & Stevie messages boards...

But my point is that Once someone mentions that they are writting a book about Fleetwood Mac... and #2 those members of the band are being contacted about the book... You can't tell me that they are not searching on what's going to be written about them... Especially on one of the biggest Fleetwood Mac online message boards... If they are not reading the message boards themselves... then I certainly know they are having someone read them for them... Especially if they know they are about to be written about in a book...

And Don't Tell me that Carol Ann Harris did not come here and/or have anyone read posts from here after she wrote her book "Storms" ~ And she dating Lindsey... and this message board called the 'Ledge' after a Lindsey song...


Give me A F*uckin' Break...

And now the 'Unleashed" tour is heading to England... "I'm sure Christine knows Nothing about Ken's new book or Nothing"...

Give Me A Break... When several of the Mac members are here on this Board...


Donnie Wayne ~

Carol Ann and Christine are hardly in the same league. Christine is what 66? She probably doesn't even own a computer. I'm sure her manager does, but hardly the same thing.

Additionally, why are you so defensive? Who really cares? In the off chance she is reading this, it's not like you will ever find out about it.

[Gailh]

Carol Ann and Christine are hardly in the same league. Christine is what 66? She probably doesn't even own a computer. I'm sure her manager does, but hardly the same thing.

Additionally, why are you so defensive? Who really cares? In the off chance she is reading this, it's not like you will ever find out about it.

She does have a lap top or at least a couple of years ago she did.

I don't think she would bother with this board. she's retired now and not in the public eye so I doubt she cares what we say although I for one think she is truly wonderful human being (just in case :lol:)

Gail

[Ulpian]

She does have a lap top or at least a couple of years ago she did.

I don't think she would bother with this board. she's retired now and not in the public eye so I doubt she cares what we say although I for one think she is truly wonderful human being (just in case :lol:)

Gail

:lol::lol: hear hear

Christine has way too much going on to bother with the internet, from what I remember reading.

[jbrownsjr]

:lol::lol: hear hear

Christine has way too much going on to bother with the internet, from what I remember reading.

She's riding around on her motor scooter while Dougal and George chase her around...

[vivfox]

She does have a lap top or at least a couple of years ago she did.
I don't think she would bother with this board. she's retired now and not in the public eye so I doubt she cares what we say although I for one think she is truly wonderful human being (just in case :lol:)

If she does read The Ledge I bet she's aware that you are her number one fan.

[nicepace]

Carol Ann and Christine are hardly in the same league. Christine is what 66? She probably doesn't even own a computer. I'm sure her manager does, but hardly the same thing.

Although I agree with your point, I'd like to disagree with your assumption that someone 66 years old wouldn't have a computer. That assumption is discriminatory, and not at all accurate.

Computers have been in common household use for at least a couple of decades so there must be plenty of people in their 60s and older who have had them for a long time.

Additionally, there are so many resources on line these days, many "seniors" are taking up computer use. It's not like using a computer is hard. I personally have a number of relatives in their 70s who keep in touch with the family using email.

[Erin]

Although I agree with your point, I'd like to disagree with your assumption that someone 66 years old wouldn't have a computer. That assumption is discriminatory, and not at all accurate.

Computers have been in common household use for at least a couple of decades so there must be plenty of people in their 60s and older who have had them for a long time.

Additionally, there are so many resources on line these days, many "seniors" are taking up computer use. It's not like using a computer is hard. I personally have a number of relatives in their 70s who keep in touch with the family using email.

You misunderstood me. I never got the impression Christine was at all interested in technology etc., and I doubt at 66 she's going to start now. Of course I know people in their 60's and older use computers, but when you're fabulously wealthy and slightly eccentric I don't think the odds are too high.

[michelej1]

Well, she has a computer because she talked about exchanging the occasional email with Stevie and John.

Of course, maybe email is all she does.

Michele

[Gailh]

You misunderstood me. I never got the impression Christine was at all interested in technology etc., and I doubt at 66 she's going to start now. Of course I know people in their 60's and older use computers, but when you're fabulously wealthy and slightly eccentric I don't think the odds are too high.

I've never had the impression that she's eccentric, slightly or otherwise. Ken Caillat said that he had to leave the room while her dogs ate but that's about it. of all the FM members she strikes me as being the most grounded (except perhaps for John)

Gail

[aleuzzi]

There's no doubt a 66 year old woman can and probably does use her computer frequently. But like the rest of us, Christine probably only bothers herself with those things that matter to her. I can't imagine a fansite would be of much interest to her at this stage in her life. Maybe once in a while she'll take a peak, who knows...

But if you are reading this, Christine, YOU'RE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Erin]

There's no doubt a 66 year old woman can and probably does use her computer frequently. But like the rest of us, Christine probably only bothers herself with those things that matter to her. I can't imagine a fansite would be of much interest to her at this stage in her life. Maybe once in a while she'll take a peak, who knows...

But if you are reading this, Christine, YOU'RE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sigh, this is what I am trying to say. I think Christine, like Stevie (I know how dare I), has someone like Karen who handles all the computer stuff, tells her about sites perhaps, answers the occasional email for her, etc. I just don't picture her as the type to actually log on and surf the internet for whatever reason. This does not mean I think everyone who is 66 and older is incapable of this. I am talking about Christine specifically. I also think as she has gotten older she has become more eccentric, and no, I don't think she is anywhere as near as grounded as John. I come to this opinion, and really folks this is all speculation on all our parts, from what has been said about her in recent years. This does not mean I think she's a bad or odd person. She can afford to do what she wants and she should.

[Gailh]

I am talking about Christine specifically. I also think as she has gotten older she has become more eccentric, and no, I don't think she is anywhere as near as grounded as John. I come to this opinion, and really folks this is all speculation on all our parts, from what has been said about her in recent years. This does not mean I think she's a bad or odd person. She can afford to do what she wants and she should.

In terms of her being eccentric what has been said about her in recent years? I'm not trying to pick a fight here I just don't remember there being anthing said that made me think she is eccentric.

Gail

[Erin]

I got the impression (or vibe) she just wants to be left alone by what the other bandmembers have said, like she doesn't even want to talk to them anymore, not just the not wanting to tour and record with them which is perfectly understandable. Of course Ken's comments also add to this impression. She seems rather isolated to me. I probably should have said that rather than eccentric which is a loaded word. I hope that's not the case. Perhaps she's a social butterfly, but doesn't want to have anything to do with the Rumours people anymore.

[LiamMcConville]

I got the impression (or vibe) she just wants to be left alone by what the other bandmembers have said, like she doesn't even want to talk to them anymore, not just the not wanting to tour and record with them which is perfectly understandable. Of course Ken's comments also add to this impression. She seems rather isolated to me. I probably should have said that rather than eccentric which is a loaded word. I hope that's not the case. Perhaps she's a social butterfly, but doesn't want to have anything to do with the Rumours people anymore.

Aha! You're so creative, Christine. Trying to post under the name "Erin". We know it's you, stop being so silly!

[Erin]

Foiled again! Blast!

[MoonWaterPoet]

Carol Ann and Christine are hardly in the same league. Christine is what 66? She probably doesn't even own a computer. I'm sure her manager does, but hardly the same thing.

Additionally, why are you so defensive? Who really cares? In the off chance she is reading this, it's not like you will ever find out about it.

Oh I was not being 'defensive' at all. I was just making 'statements' here just like everyone else... But what does get me 'defensive' sometimes on here when fans throw around 'statements' about the band members, trying to make them sound as true facts (as if their opinion or statements are law), like as if they are sitting right next to the band member... and personally I could care less who reads these boards... Not being defensive, just making a statement...


Donnie Wayne ~

[SteveMacD]

She's riding around on her motor scooter while Dougal and George chase her around...

Even after all these years, I'm still honored that Christine named one of her dogs after me. She's such a genuine person!











(And, I'm totally full of crap!)

[slipkid]

You know, I remember reading, shortly after she and John married, that Peter Green made some comment about them at a show, and she came up on stage and basically made a few Jewish jokes at his expense.

Actually according to the Martin Celmins Peter Green bio, Green was asking for it. Apparently Green pointed out how John was painfully shy, and how he hadn't had sex with Christine even though they had been dating for some time (I'm leaving out Green's colorful language). John McVie became angry and shouted "You f**king Jew!". This was all said on stage. I wish that Peter Green was still around :(.

Sorry for this reply being over a month behind, I just did a Peter Green post search.

[michelej1]

Actually according to the Martin Celmins Peter Green bio, Green was asking for it.

Well, Green may have been asking to be told off. There are many different names you can call someone, many other insults you can hurl.

Michele

[slipkid]

Well, Green may have been asking to be told off. There are many different names you can call someone, many other insults you can hurl.

Michele

I agree, but this is years before political correctness, and people weren't afraid to say what they were thinking. I'm sure what John said was pure instinct, very poor instinct.


Here's how it was written by Martin Celmins in Peter Green's biography page 81:

"Pete also sometimes had quite a cruel sense of humour, and I think this was under Jeremy (Spencer)'s influence. The whole band could be really wicked at times. I had a tape once of Mac recorded live at a club near the Oval cricket ground. Christine Perfect was in the wings at the side of the stage, watching the show. They did one number during which Peter introduced the band individually. When it came to John, Pete mentioned how his bass player was a really shy person, and John dipped his head as if to lay it on a bit. Pete then said something like, "You know, it took John six months before he could even summon up the gall to hold Christine Perfect's hand..." Then there was a big silence before Peter said, "...let alone f**k the arse of her!" John was really annoyed by this. He went up to the microphone and shouted, "You f**king Jew!" He managed to control himself, but it was close. I'm sure Peter only said that for Jeremy's benefit. It was the kind of thing that [Jeremy] loved to do."



This is off-topic but I've heard that Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley used to get a lot of anti-semitic flak from bandmates Ace Frehley, and Peter Criss (KISS). For a real whopper of a story, Eric Clapton had a drunk tirade on stage sometime in the mid-70's. He was complaining that there too many arabs, and non-whites in Britain, and they all needed to leave. Britain (to Clapton) was a whites only country.

[Gailh]

I agree, but this is years before political correctness, and people weren't afraid to say what they were thinking. I'm sure what John said was pure instinct, very poor instinct.


Here's how it was written by Martin Celmins in Peter Green's biography page 81:

"Pete also sometimes had quite a cruel sense of humour, and I think this was under Jeremy (Spencer)'s influence. The whole band could be really wicked at times. I had a tape once of Mac recorded live at a club near the Oval cricket ground. Christine Perfect was in the wings at the side of the stage, watching the show. They did one number during which Peter introduced the band individually. When it came to John, Pete mentioned how his bass player was a really shy person, and John dipped his head as if to lay it on a bit. Pete then said something like, "You know, it took John six months before he could even summon up the gall to hold Christine Perfect's hand..." Then there was a big silence before Peter said, "...let alone f**k the arse of her!" John was really annoyed by this. He went up to the microphone and shouted, "You f**king Jew!" He managed to control himself, but it was close. I'm sure Peter only said that for Jeremy's benefit. It was the kind of thing that [Jeremy] loved to do."



This is off-topic but I've heard that Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley used to get a lot of anti-semitic flak from bandmates Ace Frehley, and Peter Criss (KISS). For a real whopper of a story, Eric Clapton had a drunk tirade on stage sometime in the mid-70's. He was complaining that there too many arabs, and non-whites in Britain, and they all needed to leave. Britain (to Clapton) was a whites only country.

I'm sure John was very angry but it was a stupid thing to say. Peter was very, very rude but that had nothing at all to do with being Jewish. It had everything to do with him being a rude git.

As for Clapton's tirade that led to the formation of Rock Against Racism

Gail

[chiliD]

I'm sure John was very angry but it was a stupid thing to say. Peter was very, very rude but that had nothing at all to do with being Jewish. It had everything to do with him being a rude git.

As for Clapton's tirade that led to the formation of Rock Against Racism

Gail


In Clapton's case, that was the alcohol talkin'...he apologized profusely in the days after that tirade, as well. Plus, it's odd that Clapton would've been so racist, especially since 1) his career has been made on "black music" and 2) he's pretty much had black musicians in his bands for the past 30 years.

[aleuzzi]

I'm sure John was very angry but it was a stupid thing to say. Peter was very, very rude but that had nothing at all to do with being Jewish. It had everything to do with him being a rude git.

Gail

I'm confused: was it John or Chris who made the antisemitic comment? One person says "she got up on stage" which seems unlikely, whereas the rest are saying it was John...

I agree that one can tell someone off w/out resorting to Jew jokes, which aren't funny.

[SteveMacD]

Yeah, things were different then, but also, people can behave differently in certain groups of people. Maybe Jew jokes weren't that big a deal to Peter if coming from people he liked. It's all in context. Hell, if I'm with a bunch of guys I drink with, and somebody calls me a faggot, I don't get pissy (mainly because everybody knows I'm not gay), and I likely laugh and make an equally tasteless comment at my own expense. However, if a total stranger came up to me and called me a faggot, I'd be extremely offended and it will probably become an issue. Context.

[aleuzzi]

Yeah, things were different then, but also, people can behave differently in certain groups of people. Maybe Jew jokes weren't that big a deal to Peter if coming from people he liked. It's all in context. Hell, if I'm with a bunch of guys I drink with, and somebody calls me a faggot, I don't get pissy (mainly because everybody knows I'm not gay), and I likely laugh and make an equally tasteless comment at my own expense. However, if a total stranger came up to me and called me a faggot, I'd be extremely offended and it will probably become an issue. Context.

This is true, but one has to remember that being a Jew in England has never been a minor issue. The cultural context there is quite important.

[vivfox]

However, if a total stranger came up to me and called me a faggot, I'd be extremely offended and it will probably become an issue.

Have you met Perez Hilton?:wavey:

[slipkid]

Have you met Perez Hilton?:wavey:


Is he the founding member of the Pink Panthers? :laugh: His outlandish temper-tantrums aren't helping his cause. I agree with most of his positions, but the guy has to tone it down just a little.

[Gailh]

I'm confused: was it John or Chris who made the antisemitic comment? One person says "she got up on stage" which seems unlikely, whereas the rest are saying it was John...

I agree that one can tell someone off w/out resorting to Jew jokes, which aren't funny.

According to Peter Green's biography it was John

Gail

[jbrownsjr]

All I can say is.... You must be pretty legendary to still have people speculating your life if after you've been retired for over 10 years..

[michelej1]

All I can say is.... You must be pretty legendary to still have people speculating your life if after you've been retired for over 10 years..

Do you mean Christine? She hasn't been retired for 10 years. She's just been retired from FM for that long. ITM reset the clock and we are free to speculate about her for another 10 years from that date :laugh:.

Michele

[aleuzzi]

Do you mean Christine? She hasn't been retired for 10 years. She's just been retired from FM for that long. ITM reset the clock and we are free to speculate about her for another 10 years from that date :laugh:.

Michele

Hear Hear!

[jbrownsjr]

Do you mean Christine? She hasn't been retired for 10 years. She's just been retired from FM for that long. ITM reset the clock and we are free to speculate about her for another 10 years from that date :laugh:.

Michele

well blow my nose!! :laugh: