Old Concert on New Rumours?

[David]

What are the chances that someone at the label will put one of those old Fleetwood Mac concerts on one of the CDs in the new box set?

Say ... Missoula or Boston or the Garden 1977?

Slim to none?

[skcin]

Putting out a good old raw show where the performance was really great & it wasn't the the same schtick every night & there weren't 50 backup musicians would just be silly - why would anyone want that when they already have Live in Boston?

[jbrownsjr]

Putting out a good old raw show where the performance was really great & it wasn't the the same schtick every night & there weren't 50 backup musicians would just be silly - why would anyone want that when they already have Live in Boston?

Indeed..................

[PenguinHead]

Putting out a good old raw show where the performance was really great & it wasn't the the same schtick every night & there weren't 50 backup musicians would just be silly - why would anyone want that when they already have Live in Boston?

So damn silly it's sad. Very sad that their handelers would likely never have the foresight to even think of doing something like that for us fans.:mad:

[kennation]

So damn silly it's sad. Very sad that their handelers would likely never have the foresight to even think of doing something like that for us fans.:mad:

Just give me something I haven't seen or heard. I don't mind if it's the same material- as long as I haven't seen it before!

[michelej1]

I would like some new stuff, but just cleaning up some of the old 15th generation copies of stuff that's been floating around for years would be nice too.

Michele

[skcin]

Just give me something I haven't seen or heard. I don't mind if it's the same material- as long as I haven't seen it before!

So if they released a "Live in Buffalo" from the SYW tour, with the exact same tunes as the "Live in Boston" DVD, you'd buy it?

[michelej1]

So if they released a "Live in Buffalo" from the SYW tour, with the exact same tunes as the "Live in Boston" DVD, you'd buy it?

No, not the SYW tour, but release a Dance video that I don't have, with the exact same tunes as the one on the DVD and yes I would buy it in a heart beat. If they put out a box set dvd of all the Dance concerts and charged $1000 for it, I'd pay it. I'd pay much more than that.

Michele

[skcin]

No, not the SYW tour, but release a Dance video that I don't have, with the exact same tunes as the one on the DVD and yes I would buy it in a heart beat. If they put out a box set dvd of all the Dance concerts and charged $1000 for it, I'd pay it. I'd pay much more than that.

Michele


Why? :shrug: Nothing too dramatically different happened from show to show that tour either. I would like a nice clean copy of a complete show from that tour, just to get the tunes that were left off the official DVD. But just 1 show, not all of them.

Now, that's not to say I don't collect - I have several boots of several shows from the same tours. I just don't think I'd pay much for them. That being said, I think if Mac put up each show available for DL, people would be willing to pay $10 or $20 for a nice clear recording of the show(s) they attended. But they won't.

[MacMan]

Be nice to have an old concert on this new Rumours.... Of the Rumours era band - Fleetwood Mac and Rumours are the only two albums/tours that didn't have some sort of live footage released commercially.

[HejiraNYC]

Why? :shrug: Nothing too dramatically different happened from show to show that tour either. I would like a nice clean copy of a complete show from that tour, just to get the tunes that were left off the official DVD. But just 1 show, not all of them.

Well, there is that whole meltdown episode in Atlantic City during "Silver Springs." I think what makes The Dance such a novelty is that it was a very brief tour and it was Christine's last hurrah. And now that we know what FM is like without Christine, we just appreciate those good old days even more. I suppose it's also like being a stamp collector- you want multiple copies of something because it is so rare and because it will never be made again.

[skcin]

^ I get that people would want a show that they attended or that something different happened at, but those shows were few & far between. The "meltdown" was more of a touching, poignant moment IMO. Not that I wouldn't like to see it nice & clear on my big screen TV. :nod: I guess I just don't get why people feel the need to see every show when they're all the same....baby, all the same.

This from a girl who has probably the first 30 SYW shows on either CD and/or DVD & then said "um, what's the point?" :o I just don't watch them anymore, nor do I have the desire to. Sure, there's a good show here & there, but most are no different than the others. Same with my Dance shows. :shrug: Meh.

Now, Rumours shows are a different matter, because there just isn't that much vid out there compared to the recent tours. And it still bothers me to no end that there are NO Mirage tour boot vids out there - those were some of the best shows ever, IMO.

[GypsyGirl15]

What was the "meltdown" about?

[wheart]

Well, there is that whole meltdown episode in Atlantic City during "Silver Springs." I think what makes The Dance such a novelty is that it was a very brief tour and it was Christine's last hurrah. And now that we know what FM is like without Christine, we just appreciate those good old days even more. I suppose it's also like being a stamp collector- you want multiple copies of something because it is so rare and because it will never be made again.

The Dance tour was a very special time and watching those shows now I do appreciate and miss Christine a great deal. She added such grace to the show and I've always loved her beautiful voice. BTW, I was at that Atlantic City show and the ending of SS was quite a moment!!

[skcin]

What was the "meltdown" about?

Stevie got all emotional & started to cry & couldn't sing the last line of Silver Spring so LOB did. It was the second to last (third?) show of the tour.

[michelej1]

Why? :shrug: Nothing too dramatically different happened from show to show that tour either. I would like a nice clean copy of a complete show from that tour, just to get the tunes that were left off the official DVD. But just 1 show, not all of them.



For me, just watching any interaction between the 3 songwriters and John too (I don't get terribly excited about Mick touching or gazing at people) is magical. Many times when I mark my Dance boots, I label them by what the members did when they were taking their last bow and in what order they did it. That's often how I tell one show from another in my descriptions. As for the song audio, one show is pretty much like another for me, so I never think that a song performance is especially good (well, I do think the RRHOF version of SYLM is beyond beautiful) and I don't compare that. That's all a haze to me. One show blends into another audio wise.

But I like to hear the different things the members say when they talk and I like to see them exchanging moments with each other. I don't care how mundane it is. What are Lindsey and Christine going to do during Stand Back. Has Christine really stopped hugging everyone at the end? Why? How far is Lindsey going to cross the stage towards Stevie for Silver Springs (which was way more exciting on tour than it was on the DVD, for me). What's Lindsey going to do to the 3 of them for GYOW. Oh, why did they take that part out of NTF? That's what I liked best!

I liked watching the Dance tour change over time and wish I could have seen every single one of them.

As for the SYW tour, I loved it. I'm into Stevie and Lindsey. I'm from Michigan. I'm still upset that I didn't see the tour end there. I feel I betrayed myself and my hometown. But it was a Tuesday night and I couldn't get there. I loved it toward the end when Lindsey's dedications became emotional. I'm glad I was there for Reno and Madison. Even so, overall, I don't have a particular yearning to have more of those shows than I already do.

The Dance though, I regret it on a weekly basis. I am not into CDs, but I would pay a great deal of money for videos. $100 per show, at least.

Michele

[David]

The Dance though, I regret it on a weekly basis. I am not into CDs, but I would pay a great deal of money for videos. $100 per show, at least.How much for a video of the Mac at Oakland Coliseum (Day On The Green) on May 7, 1977?

[skcin]

How much for a video of the Mac at Oakland Coliseum (Day On The Green) on May 7, 1977?

Is there audio, or is it the silent version? Or was the vid sans audio another show?

[bikerchic]

What are the chances that someone at the label will put one of those old Fleetwood Mac concerts on one of the CDs in the new box set?



I read in a recent article that the dvd would include "never before seen" footage from the Rumours era. So that could really only mean, I guess, three things, a concert, recording session or just stupid stuff of them goofing around. Probably the latter :shrug:

[David]

Is there audio, or is it the silent version? Or was the vid sans audio another show?No, no, I'm talking about a (hypothetical) professional film of the show, not the home footage taken by wanky lady in audience.

[Gazza]

A live show from the Tusk Tour is what's needed. When Lindsey was clearly trying to upstage Stevie.

[kennation]

A live show from the Tusk Tour is what's needed. When Lindsey was clearly trying to upstage Stevie.

For real! I would love to see that. What's so funny is that now Stevie tries to upstage Stevie... if that makes sense...

[fleetwoodguy79]

A live show from the Tusk Tour is what's needed. When Lindsey was clearly trying to upstage Stevie.

Amen. All things considered it was probably the band's best tour, from a fan's point of view.

[David]

Amen. All things considered it was probably the band's best tour, from a fan's point of view.I think it was probably my favorite from the point of view of sound & style. But I liked the others, too, for various reasons.

Also worth remembering that 1st- & 2nd-leg Tusk shows differed in several substantial stylistic & sonic ways from final-leg shows.

[1sttimelongtime]

I think it was probably my favorite from the point of view of sound & style. But I liked the others, too, for various reasons.

Also worth remembering that 1st- & 2nd-leg Tusk shows differed in several substantial stylistic & sonic ways from final-leg shows.


David or anyone, can you elaborate on this?

Thanks!

[AliceLover]

I feel like from 78 through the Tusk tour Stevie was on something else than cocaine. She wasn't as energized as the Bella Donna or Mirage Tours. Great example is the Japan 77 show. Theres a lot of times in that show where shes just completely dazed out and standing there looking really out of it.

[GoS]

Why? :shrug: Nothing too dramatically different happened from show to show that tour either. I would like a nice clean copy of a complete show from that tour, just to get the tunes that were left off the official DVD.

What songs were left off?

[fleetwoodguy79]

David or anyone, can you elaborate on this?

Thanks!

He's exactly right - everything from the band's visual style to the overall sound of the band. Mid-1980 things took a slight turn to the left, right after the Richfield, OH shows the band just started to sound a little, well, different. Not in a bad way either, to me they started sounding more "pop" and less raw and dramatic as they had the previous few years.

I know that Lindsey's guitar sound changed dramatically. The homemade fuzz box that he had been using for over 5+ years with the band finally took a crap (used to be an article on The Penguin which explained it a little better) and he took a different approach to his guitar sound. In my opinion that changed the way the whole band sounded, and to this day, they haven't returned to that style.

Of course this post is worthless without some songs for comparison, so I'll work on getting a couple examples posted up for you! :)

[wolfontherun]

I feel like from 78 through the Tusk tour Stevie was on something else than cocaine. She wasn't as energized as the Bella Donna or Mirage Tours. Great example is the Japan 77 show. Theres a lot of times in that show where shes just completely dazed out and standing there looking really out of it.


Yup. Her demeanor during the Sara performance from the Tusk doc is very lathargic. And her eyes are soooooo classy. My gues is pot.

[crystal baller]

Yup. Her demeanor during the Sara performance from the Tusk doc is very lathargic. And her eyes are soooooo classy. My gues is pot.
Could've been alcohol, also ludes were very popular at that time.

[skcin]

No, no, I'm talking about a (hypothetical) professional film of the show, not the home footage taken by wanky lady in audience.

Tease. :mad:

What songs were left off?

I'm not sure what songs were performed for the actual filming, but this is the setlist from that tour:

The Chain, Dreams, Everywhere, Gold Dust Woman, I'm So Afraid, Temporary One, Bleed To Love Her, Gypsy, Big Love, Go Insane, Landslide, Say You Love Me, Sweet Girl, You Make Loving Fun, My Little Demon, Stand Back, Oh Daddy, Not That Funny, Rhiannon, Second Hand News, Silver Springs, Tusk, Go Your Own Way, Don't Stop, Songbird, Farmer's Daughter

I think Eyes of the World was done at a show or two as well.

[steviefan99]

I just PRAY they play silver springs in this tour!!!!! Think they will?

[michelej1]

The Chain, Dreams, Everywhere, Gold Dust Woman, I'm So Afraid, Temporary One, Bleed To Love Her, Gypsy, Big Love, Go Insane, Landslide, Say You Love Me, Sweet Girl, You Make Loving Fun, My Little Demon, Stand Back, Oh Daddy, Not That Funny, Rhiannon, Second Hand News, Silver Springs, Tusk, Go Your Own Way, Don't Stop, Songbird, Farmer's Daughter


Then, we got OMH for the DVD, which was great to have.

Michele

[AliceLover]

Then, we got OMH for the DVD, which was great to have.

Michele

Was it really that great?

[chiliD]

I think Eyes of the World was done at a show or two as well.

Only the opening night of the tour....it was replaced by "Second Hand News" thereafter.

Then, we got OMH for the DVD, which was great to have.
Was it really that great?

I thought that was the weakest tune of the DVD set...although "Rhiannon" was a VERY close 2nd, with "Gypsy" on her heels.

[AliceLover]

Only the opening night of the tour....it was replaced by "Second Hand News" thereafter.



I thought that was the weakest tune of the DVD set...although "Rhiannon" was a VERY close 2nd, with "Gypsy" on her heels.

Rhiannon blew, yes. Gypsy I completely disagree...she hit all the right notes. Plus, Christines riffs on the keyboard for Gypsy just made that version.

[skcin]

I thought that was the weakest tune of the DVD set...although "Rhiannon" was a VERY close 2nd, with "Gypsy" on her heels.

Agreed. And I'm still bitter that they didn't include GDW on the CD. :mad:

[GoS]

The Chain, Dreams, Everywhere, Gold Dust Woman, I'm So Afraid, Temporary One, Bleed To Love Her, Gypsy, Big Love, Go Insane, Landslide, Say You Love Me, Sweet Girl, You Make Loving Fun, My Little Demon, Stand Back, Oh Daddy, Not That Funny, Rhiannon, Second Hand News, Silver Springs, Tusk, Go Your Own Way, Don't Stop, Songbird, Farmer's Daughter.

You're kidding?!?!?!? They actually played Not that Funny? Wow, that's insane. I thought that they'd never do it live after the... great.... mirage tour version.

Thanks

[David]

Did you guys get good quality copies of those songs (Oh Daddy, Second Hand News) from the radio broadcast in Irvine Meadows?

[animal]

Agreed. And I'm still bitter that they didn't include GDW on the CD. :mad:

By using the great technology available these days, I was able to rip the audio from the DVD and now have more songs to listen to. :D

[michelej1]

Was it really that great?

I thought so and I was disappointed that it was dropped. I'd have kept that and dropped YMLF myself.

Even though it has been done too much, I was excited when they included SHN for the tour. It shouldn't have been, but it came as a surprise to me. I loved the energy. I liked NTF too, especially during the beginning of the tour.

Michele

[AliceLover]

I thought so and I was disappointed that it was dropped. I'd have kept that and dropped YMLF myself.

Even though it has been done too much, I was excited when they included SHN for the tour. It shouldn't have been, but it came as a surprise to me. I loved the energy. I liked NTF too, especially during the beginning of the tour.

Michele

GAHHH! That hurt my everything!

Second Hand News was a great song for them to throw in. I remember I was only 7 and I said to my mom "I hope they do Second Hand News" and she was like "no way". Then when it started I remember being sooo happy! But I have to say, I love the SYW version wayyy more than the Dance version. But nothing can beat the rawness of the SHN from the UTS tour!

[wheart]

I feel like from 78 through the Tusk tour Stevie was on something else than cocaine. She wasn't as energized as the Bella Donna or Mirage Tours. Great example is the Japan 77 show. Theres a lot of times in that show where shes just completely dazed out and standing there looking really out of it.

Even during SOTM in the Tusk documentary she seems very "chilled"

[AliceLover]

Even during SOTM in the Tusk documentary she seems very "chilled"

Exactly! Plus her vocals aren't the best, cannot even compare to the Mirage Tour. The tusk documentary is a legendary version, but I think others are better. Even the Largo 79' boot, she isn't that energetic.

[David]

I thought so and I was disappointed that it was dropped. I'd have kept that and dropped YMLF myself.Oh, no! YMLF was just about the cleanest, coolest performance from the entire show. Pure perfection it was. McVie nails her low G on "wonderful you." Her entire vocal really is exemplary.

I thought Over My Head turned out beautifully, too. It conjured the island spirit of the studio recording, thanks to the acoustic guitar (whereas electric guitar on earlier live performances).

Even though it has been done too much, I was excited when they included SHN for the tour.Wasn't spry the way it used to be (with that rollicking martial roll the rhythm section used to give it). It was forced & way too fast. It was sort of a mess, no?