What do you think of the new dvd and rumours reissue?

[StandbackStevie]

I think we all now its the reissue of the extened rumours cd with outakes and added silver springs edition but the dvd i do really think its the lost documenatary filmed during the rumours tour were there is some clips on youtube i think is were stevie is dancing around being funny with a roady at rehearsal of one of the shows and behind the scene stuff as well I am looking forward to the dvd part of the package not sure when it will be released my guess after the tour. and how many do think there will be a new cd from the mac in a year or two?:blob2::]:thumbsup:

[Regina]

I think I've changed a bit over the last year or so.
I have literally hundreds of recordings, DVDs, VHS tapes, etc of FM/Stevie/Lindsey.
But the last couple of Stevie Greatest hits packages or whatever, I bought but haven't even opened.

I've just come to the conclusion that the 70s, for me, are officially over at long last.

Release something new in 2009 and I'll buy it. Any repackaged stuff is not getting any more of my money. And that's not meant to be disrespectful to them. It's just my personal preference at this point in my life.

[skcin]

I think we all now its the reissue of the extened rumours cd with outakes and added silver springs edition but the dvd i do really think its the lost documenatary filmed during the rumours tour were there is some clips on youtube i think is were stevie is dancing around being funny with a roady at rehearsal of one of the shows and behind the scene stuff as well I am looking forward to the dvd part of the package not sure when it will be released my guess after the tour. and how many do think there will be a new cd from the mac in a year or two?:blob2::]:thumbsup:

I don't think we know this for sure - did I miss something? Last I heard Mick claimed the CD would have unreleased material, which in theory means we should get at least 1 or 2 tunes that were NOT on the remaster. Not that Mick hasn't talked out his ass before, but I'll still holding out some hope.

I think I've changed a bit over the last year or so.
I have literally hundreds of recordings, DVDs, VHS tapes, etc of FM/Stevie/Lindsey.
But the last couple of Stevie Greatest hits packages or whatever, I bought but haven't even opened.

I've just come to the conclusion that the 70s, for me, are officially over at long last.

Release something new in 2009 and I'll buy it. Any repackaged stuff is not getting any more of my money. And that's not meant to be disrespectful to them. It's just my personal preference at this point in my life.

ITA. Unless there IS something I haven't seen/heard before, I won't be buying. I don't need to be a cpmpletist anymore - I hardly watch what I have anymore as it is.

Of course, the remasters were a pleasant surprise, as far as getting "new" old material so you never know. They may throw us a bone. :shrug:

[MacMan]

I think we all <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">now</span> speculate its the reissue of the extened rumours cd with outakes and added silver springs edition

We don't necessarily know that yet.

[SaidSomething]

I think...and it's just a hunch...

That Stevie...is still bound to a Warner Contract for so many albums and such. This happened with Modern. She wanted out because they gave "hits" that she didn't want...but, because of the dotted line...she was forced to record stuff she didn't want to.

With all these repackaged, greatest hits, compilations...etc... She's fulfilling her contract without giving them one damn song. In a lot of ways I don't blame her. Didn't she write something about this? It's like Warner Bros/Reprise...whatever...was like, "...ok Stevie, you're older...you were heavy for a couple of years...so here, we're doing you a big favor...sign this contract and we'll make your records...oh, and by the way...we need your soul too..."

The music (or any entertainment...trust me I was a small time constistantly working actor in L.A) leaders are as corrupt as Bush.

I wonder if the Mac is bound too?

I'll bet once the contract is dissolved, completed or bought out...and she (or the Mac) is with a strong label that gives it's artists like them more creative conrol...we'll hear more "masterpieces"

Glaring example..."Sometimes it's a Bitch"

or... say one her demos like "Blue Water" was given up for an album. It goes from a pretty simple song with a nice melody...into something Grungelike...sounding like a "Dead Kennedys" song.

My opinon...
...artists constantly need a creative, imaginative outlet...and if they don't have it...they burst with their thoughts, feelings, emotions, pain and everthing...and wind up into drinks or drugs or into a padded bin...believe me...I know that much.

[David]

I've just come to the conclusion that the 70s, for me, are officially over at long last.What if Stevie released a two-CD live concert DVD of Irvine Meadows, Sept. 24, 1983; Compton Terrace, Sept. 25, 1983; or Los Angeles, Oct. 2, 1983?

[jbrownsjr]

What if Stevie released a two-CD live concert DVD of Irvine Meadows, Sept. 24, 1983; Compton Terrace, Sept. 25, 1983; or Los Angeles, Oct. 2, 1983?

I may get back in the time machine for that... :angel:

[Villavic]

I've just come to the conclusion that the 70s, for me, are officially over at long last.


Since it's a Rumours reissue, I guess all material will be from that era. No Mirage or Tango docs or bonus tracks... :mad:

[Regina]

What if Stevie released a two-CD live concert DVD of Irvine Meadows, Sept. 24, 1983; Compton Terrace, Sept. 25, 1983; or Los Angeles, Oct. 2, 1983?


The 80s were over for me before the 80s were actually over!

(although, now you have me curious about those two concerts--which I know I have, but my memory is just not good enough to remember what happened then)

[RockALittle250]

I think...and it's just a hunch...

That Stevie...is still bound to a Warner Contract for so many albums and such. This happened with Modern. She wanted out because they gave "hits" that she didn't want...but, because of the dotted line...she was forced to record stuff she didn't want to.

With all these repackaged, greatest hits, compilations...etc... She's fulfilling her contract without giving them one damn song. In a lot of ways I don't blame her. Didn't she write something about this? It's like Warner Bros/Reprise...whatever...was like, "...ok Stevie, you're older...you were heavy for a couple of years...so here, we're doing you a big favor...sign this contract and we'll make your records...oh, and by the way...we need your soul too..."

The music (or any entertainment...trust me I was a small time constistantly working actor in L.A) leaders are as corrupt as Bush.

I wonder if the Mac is bound too?

I'll bet once the contract is dissolved, completed or bought out...and she (or the Mac) is with a strong label that gives it's artists like them more creative conrol...we'll hear more "masterpieces"

Glaring example..."Sometimes it's a Bitch"

or... say one her demos like "Blue Water" was given up for an album. It goes from a pretty simple song with a nice melody...into something Grungelike...sounding like a "Dead Kennedys" song.

My opinon...
...artists constantly need a creative, imaginative outlet...and if they don't have it...they burst with their thoughts, feelings, emotions, pain and everthing...and wind up into drinks or drugs or into a padded bin...believe me...I know that much.

The only greatest hits package that Stevie released under Warner was Crystal Visions, and the Enchanted boxed set was her final release under Modern, so what are you referring to when you say "With all these repackaged, greatest hits, compilations...etc..." when in fact, as a solo artist, she's only released one under the Warner label?

[LukeA]

The only greatest hits package that Stevie released under Warner was Crystal Visions, and the Enchanted boxed set was her final release under Modern, so what are you referring to when you say "With all these repackaged, greatest hits, compilations...etc..." when in fact, as a solo artist, she's only released one under the Warner label?

That, and the fact that Stevie (as well as Fleetwood Mac & Lindsey) doesn't owe WBR anything.

[wheart]

I think I've played the "bonus material" CD from the Reissued Rumors once. I felt it was just unnecessary, most of the songs being stripped down versions of the orginals. So, at this point, I have no plans on purchasing yet another Rumors reissue unless they really make it worth my while.

[wolfontherun]

Interesting that Mick says that the band was not invlved in this cd/dvd thing but that WB put it together with bands approval. Seriously what are these people (band mates) doing when they are not touring/making music?

[LukeA]

Interesting that Mick says that the band was not invlved in this cd/dvd thing but that WB put it together with bands approval. Seriously what are these people (band mates) doing when they are not touring/making music?

Generally speaking...

Lindsey- buying/tearing down/building new houses
Stevie- being fabulous
Mick- failed business ventures with his buddy Jonathan Todd

(with apologizes to John, who I think is probably just along for the ride)

All of which require major moolah, and preferably with as little effort expended as possible.

[SaidSomething]

The only greatest hits package that Stevie released under Warner was Crystal Visions, and the Enchanted boxed set was her final release under Modern, so what are you referring to when you say "With all these repackaged, greatest hits, compilations...etc..." when in fact, as a solo artist, she's only released one under the Warner label?

Warner, Reprise and all its subsidaries fall under the umbrella of the same binding artist's contract. So, and I'm not arguing...I could very well be wrong... 1 Trouble in Shangrila 2. Crystal Vistions Dvd+CD 3. Crystal Visions CD only (things may have changed but 2 and 3 actually equal 3 releases the dvd is one the cd is two and the seperately packaged cd only makes three) Soon, Soundstage (and all the seperate versions being released) Live in Chicago etc...they all add up individually per disk and package...etc...

She, in my opinon, will have fulfilled the "releases" obligation and then start fresh.

Like I said, I could be wrong. It's, as I first stated, what I have a hunch of.

[LukeA]

Warner, Reprise and all its subsidaries fall under the umbrella of the same binding artist's contract. So, and I'm not arguing...I could very well be wrong... 1 Trouble in Shangrila 2. Crystal Vistions Dvd+CD 3. Crystal Visions CD only (things may have changed but 2 and 3 actually equal 3 releases the dvd is one the cd is two and the seperately packaged cd only makes three) Soon, Soundstage (and all the seperate versions being released) Live in Chicago etc...they all add up individually per disk and package...etc...

She, in my opinon, will have fulfilled the "releases" obligation and then start fresh.

Like I said, I could be wrong. It's, as I first stated, what I have a hunch of.

The Fall 2002 "Very Best Of Fleetwood Mac" 2 CD package was part of the concession for the band to get their obscenely large (not as much in terms of the dollar amount, but for what they deserved) advance for the recording sessions/release of "Say You Will". While the album did not fully recoup, those obligations are completely fulfilled. Everything else the band has done (from "The Dance" onward) have been one-off deals with the label without any future obligations.

When WBR releases something like Crystal Visions, its because Stevie wants it to be released. Its a win-win for all involved- mining the catalogue with little to no overhead/promotion... a far easier sell (and, nine times out of ten, more profitable) than a new studio album. Don't blame WBR- blame lazy-ass Stevie.

[CADreaming]

The Fall 2002 "Very Best Of Fleetwood Mac" 2 CD package was part of the concession for the band to get their obscenely large (not as much in terms of the dollar amount, but for what they deserved) advance for the recording sessions/release of "Say You Will". While the album did not fully recoup, those obligations are completely fulfilled. Everything else the band has done (from "The Dance" onward) have been one-off deals with the label without any future obligations.

When WBR releases something like Crystal Visions, its because Stevie wants it to be released. Its a win-win for all involved- mining the catalogue with little to no overhead/promotion... a far easier sell (and, nine times out of ten, more profitable) than a new studio album. Don't blame WBR- blame lazy-ass Stevie.

Really? Labels are notorious for releasing compilations. It's far more cheaper to go into a catalogue for material than it is to put money into recording studios, musicians, photos and promotions for a new cd...

[DigYourGrave]

I think I'll probably buy it.

Although, I do feel, at this stage, they could give us something new to work with, theres only so many times I can look through my itunes library and see like 15 different choices of Silver Springs to listen to. :P :laugh:

[SaidSomething]

The Fall 2002 "Very Best Of Fleetwood Mac" 2 CD package was part of the concession for the band to get their obscenely large (not as much in terms of the dollar amount, but for what they deserved) advance for the recording sessions/release of "Say You Will". While the album did not fully recoup, those obligations are completely fulfilled. Everything else the band has done (from "The Dance" onward) have been one-off deals with the label without any future obligations.

When WBR releases something like Crystal Visions, its because Stevie wants it to be released. Its a win-win for all involved- mining the catalogue with little to no overhead/promotion... a far easier sell (and, nine times out of ten, more profitable) than a new studio album. Don't blame WBR- blame lazy-ass Stevie.

Lazy-ass Stevie...

You know, you're probably right. At her show here in Boston last Summer...I was due to go and say, "hi" as I haven't seen her face to face since the 90s...no she didn't forget me or say I couldn't come. Things were so busy and there was a long line. I spoke with Jimmy and Al...and others. I felt that her meeting with "Make a Wish" folks and meeting with others that were terminally ill or in wheelchairs or anyone that "really needed to see her" to somehow, help them rise above...that my stupid little, "hey, again...whatcha been up to?" Wasn't urgent. She arrived very early...she (I heard) left very late becasue of her "important" visits. A lot of people probably don't know about what reallly goes on back there. She gives back...she reaches out...and she prays. She's scared and sad as hell sometimes. But, her lazy ass heart is bigger than a lot of anyone will ever know. Some know of her visits to the sick or wounded or "charity" work...most have NO idea. She doesn't call the local news...bring along the press...etc. Backstage, the act is over...and she comes down from her high boots...and spends as much time as possible with those that "urgently need her".

One thought I've had...

How much time does she take off from the road to be lazy ass? She's pretty much been consistantally on a tour since 1996.

Everyone knows when recording has begun for a new record...or do they?

I just have a hunch that she remains busy...does not take her fame, money or luxuries for granted...and in her gratitude she returns the love she recieves in different ways...quietly.

I don't feel much like rattling on about this subject anymore.

After all, I'm not in Stevie's negotiation meetings everyday.

[kennation]

I don't want to start anything, but Stevie is not a lazy ass. Between Charity, Fleetwood Mac, and her solo career I do not see how she has time for much else. Stevie has my vote- always will!

[RockALittle250]

Really? Labels are notorious for releasing compilations. It's far more cheaper to go into a catalogue for material than it is to put money into recording studios, musicians, photos and promotions for a new cd...

I completely agree, you hit it spot on!

Look at Stevie's Soundstage CD and DVD. Even though it's not a new studio album, it had to be recorded, mixed and edited, packaged, and soon it will be released. Making her Soundstage release was probably almost as expensive as making a new studio album, because look at all the $$ that goes into it. Even renting the space to record it (Grainger Studio), and paying all the musicians and back-up singers, it all adds up and it has to be worth it in the end if they (Warner) are confident enough to spend the money on all of it.

[LukeA]

Making her Soundstage release was probably almost as expensive as making a new studio album, because look at all the $$ that goes into it.

Uh....... NO.

If you were to compare the costs between the Soundstage production and the cumulative costs of recording & promoting Trouble In Shangri-La, it approaches ten times as much.

[Dan B.]

Another Rumours reissue with that much material could be good, but I would have much rather had expanded Mirage and Tango sets.

[RockALittle250]

Uh....... NO.

If you were to compare the costs between the Soundstage production and the cumulative costs of recording & promoting Trouble In Shangri-La, it approaches ten times as much.

Uh.....YES.

Soundstage is not only an audio production, but it is also a visual production. The show that eventually aired had to be filmed and edited, plus the airtime had to be purchased, and it aired multiple times. I didn't say it was the same amount of money, but i said it is probably almost as much because of how much time and money actually went into it.

[HejiraNYC]

Uh.....YES.

Soundstage is not only an audio production, but it is also a visual production. The show that eventually aired had to be filmed and edited, plus the airtime had to be purchased, and it aired multiple times. I didn't say it was the same amount of money, but i said it is probably almost as much because of how much time and money actually went into it.

There is no way it could have been more expensive than spending months in a recording studio with big name producers, engineers and musicians. Soundstage was filmed/recorded in a single evening with her touring band (plus a small string section), using the same live production. Additionally I suspect much of the production cost was underwritten by grants from PBS. Sure, there was some postproduction, but it probably took only a few weeks total. I have to agree that, yes, this is pretty lazy-ass for an artist who had built her trademark on her prolific songwriting and recording career, which are now pretty much non-existent. The bar is so low for her at this point that if she included just a few new original songs (like The Dance), her diehard fans would faint from joy. Heaven forbid that she should toss her fans an original morsel or two during the past six years. Instead all we got were a handful of live covers, a couple of remixes and a couple of back-up vocal appearances. Why create new material when you could re-package the old stuff for less money and make more profit from the fans? Let them eat cake!

[Almost Simon]

I think I've played the "bonus material" CD from the Reissued Rumors once. I felt it was just unnecessary, most of the songs being stripped down versions of the orginals. So, at this point, I have no plans on purchasing yet another Rumors reissue unless they really make it worth my while.


I’m very interested in finding out what exactly will be released. Like you I bought the remaster. I like it but the additional disk is kind of pointless. There’s nothing there that requires a 2nd or 3rd listen. So if the album is being reissued again and this time has worthwhile extra’s, why didn’t they come out first time around??

Will the DVD be like the current Hendrix ‘Electric Ladyland’ reissue? Tacking on the classic album dvd documentary as a 2nd disk?? I hope not. I do love that Rumours classic album documentary but we’ve all got/seen that. This reissue has to have something worthwhile to make it of any interest. I mean, in the music stores its not as if the last 2cd reissue of Rumours is very expensive, it can be bought fairly cheap.

I understand with the band out on the road their record company will want some product out on the shelves. I’d much prefer reissues of Mirage/Tango or even a full length documentary film on the bands history.

There’s a million different things the band/record company could’ve done in the way of putting something of interest for the hardcore/casual fans on the shelves. But I don’t feel there’ll be much effort put into this reissue. This could we be a wasted opportunity. I certainly hope it isn’t though.

[RockALittle250]

There is no way it could have been more expensive than spending months in a recording studio with big name producers, engineers and musicians. Soundstage was filmed/recorded in a single evening with her touring band (plus a small string section), using the same live production. Additionally I suspect much of the production cost was underwritten by grants from PBS. Sure, there was some postproduction, but it probably took only a few weeks total. I have to agree that, yes, this is pretty lazy-ass for an artist who had built her trademark on her prolific songwriting and recording career, which are now pretty much non-existent. The bar is so low for her at this point that if she included just a few new original songs (like The Dance), her diehard fans would faint from joy. Heaven forbid that she should toss her fans an original morsel or two during the past six years. Instead all we got were a handful of live covers, a couple of remixes and a couple of back-up vocal appearances. Why create new material when you could re-package the old stuff for less money and make more profit from the fans? Let them eat cake!

First of all, let me reiterate, again. I did not say it was more expensive or the same amount of money. I said with all of the costs that went into it, it was PROBABLY almost as expensive, because every aspect of the production has to be accounted for financially when comparing the two. Now, I can say with certainty that it is more expensive than a compilation album would be to make, like Crystal Visions.

I'm tired of people calling Stevie a lazy-ass. She's 60 years old, not 40, and she's not Madonna. She has the right to do whatever she wants to do at this point in her career. Unlike the aforementioned Madonna, Stevie has spent the last 4 years of her life focusing heavily on continuing her father's work with the Arizona Heart Foundation and visiting and advocating for the troops currently fighting in this war. So, for the many people who continually complain about Stevie's lazy-ass, you'll have to excuse her for not releasing new material in a timely fashion, because she's too busy trying to help out those who are afflicted by serious health issues or those who are being blown up by terrorists.

[HejiraNYC]

I'm tired of people calling Stevie a lazy-ass. She's 60 years old, not 40, and she's not Madonna. She has the right to do whatever she wants to do at this point in her career. Unlike the aforementioned Madonna, Stevie has spent the last 4 years of her life focusing heavily on continuing her father's work with the Arizona Heart Foundation and visiting and advocating for the troops currently fighting in this war. So, for the many people who continually complain about Stevie's lazy-ass, you'll have to excuse her for not releasing new material in a timely fashion, because she's too busy trying to help out those who are afflicted by serious health issues or those who are being blown up by terrorists.

We should be so lucky if Stevie had the work ethic of Madonna, who is not exactly a spring chicken either. In addition to releasing a new studio album and touring every few years, she has released live albums, live DVDs, produced a documentary movie, and somehow she finds the time to go to Africa to adopt kids while maintaining 2% bodyfat and a commercial modeling career. And God knows what charities she has also worked for. Meanwhile, on the Stevie front, all I hear are crickets. Admittedly, I don't know anything about Stevie's day-to-day work for her causes, but I suspect that it is not exactly a 24/7 commitment; she hasn't even done an AHI benefit concert in several years. Stevie is not a heart surgeon or a nurse; Stevie's gift to the world is her song and her voice. And if her mission in life was to bring comfort and joy to the hurting/needy, she should be recording more beautiful music, and THEN download it onto iPods. I think it's one thing if she was the type of reclusive artist who released new music once every decade or so (e.g., Sade, Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush, etc.) and then practically disappearing in the intervening years. My problem with Stevie is that she is just so blatantly mining the archives for gold and constantly re-selling the same material over and over. So she maintains a constant public profile, tours incessantly and releases new "compilations," but doesn't do anything new at all. I just don't find that respectable. Others in her age bracket- Bob Dylan, James Taylor, Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney, Carly Simon, Neil Young, Linda Ronstadt, Emmylou Harris, Dolly Parton, etc. have been consistently releasing new material in recent years. Hell, even Joni Mitchell retired and then came out of retirement since the last Stevie solo album. It's not like Stevie has retired from music or that her singing ability has suddenly fallen off of a cliff. So what is her excuse? Hmmm....

[RockALittle250]

We should be so lucky if Stevie had the work ethic of Madonna, who is not exactly a spring chicken either. In addition to releasing a new studio album and touring every few years, she has released live albums, live DVDs, produced a documentary movie, and somehow she finds the time to go to Africa to adopt kids while maintaining 2% bodyfat and a commercial modeling career. And God knows what charities she has also worked for. Meanwhile, on the Stevie front, all I hear are crickets. Admittedly, I don't know anything about Stevie's day-to-day work for her causes, but I suspect that it is not exactly a 24/7 commitment; she hasn't even done an AHI benefit concert in several years. Stevie is not a heart surgeon or a nurse; Stevie's gift to the world is her song and her voice. And if her mission in life was to bring comfort and joy to the hurting/needy, she should be recording more beautiful music, and THEN download it onto iPods. I think it's one thing if she was the type of reclusive artist who released new music once every decade or so (e.g., Sade, Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush, etc.) and then practically disappearing in the intervening years. My problem with Stevie is that she is just so blatantly mining the archives for gold and constantly re-selling the same material over and over. So she maintains a constant public profile, tours incessantly and releases new "compilations," but doesn't do anything new at all. I just don't find that respectable. Others in her age bracket- Bob Dylan, James Taylor, Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney, Carly Simon, Neil Young, Linda Ronstadt, Emmylou Harris, Dolly Parton, etc. have been consistently releasing new material in recent years. Hell, even Joni Mitchell retired and then came out of retirement since the last Stevie solo album. It's not like Stevie has retired from music or that her singing ability has suddenly fallen off of a cliff. So what is her excuse? Hmmm....

Stevie isn't one of those artists who releases compilation albums like "The Ultimate Collection" or "Greatest Hits Volume 3" like alot of other artists out there. Under Reprise, she has released one studio album, one compilation album, and soon, one live album. So she's not continually releasing the same versions of the same songs over and over. Fleetwood Mac on the other hand is, because they are, as we know, re-releasing Rumours once again. Stevie cannot be compared to other artists because she works at a pace that is her own, and she has balanced two careers for almost 30 years. Plus, we don't know how her label feels about her doing another studio album. They might feel that her name alone is no longer big enough to carry a new studio album, and therefore, have discouraged her from doing one.

[jbrownsjr]

Stevie isn't one of those artists who releases compilation albums like "The Ultimate Collection" or "Greatest Hits Volume 3" like alot of other artists out there. Under Reprise, she has released one studio album, one compilation album, and soon, one live album. So she's not continually releasing the same versions of the same songs over and over. Fleetwood Mac on the other hand is, because they are, as we know, re-releasing Rumours once again. Stevie cannot be compared to other artists because she works at a pace that is her own, and she has balanced two careers for almost 30 years. Plus, we don't know how her label feels about her doing another studio album. They might feel that her name alone is no longer big enough to carry a new studio album, and therefore, have discouraged her from doing one.

If Joni Mitchell can do a studio album (who makes about 10% of what Stevie has made) then Stevie Nicks can somehow regardless of label, do an album...

[skcin]

Will the DVD be like the current Hendrix ‘Electric Ladyland’ reissue? Tacking on the classic album dvd documentary as a 2nd disk?? I hope not.

Crap. I never thought of that being a possibility. :(


As for the "lazy" argument, 1 person called Stevie lazy in this thread, it's not a lynch mob for God's sake. :rolleyes: Nobody called her a worhtless piece of sh*t or anything. We're all fans here. People have the right to their opinion. And I believe the poster was commenting on the fact that she hasn't put out any new solo material in 8 years. Seems that they were saying that Stevie is lazy about releasing new music. :shrug: Nobody said anything about her charity work or repeated "best of" tours the past few years.

Now, is she: lazy? out of ideas/inspiration? satisfied with her body of work as it stands? scared that new material wouldn't sell as well as in the past? Who knows? But we can discuss it. That's the point of the board.

[paleshadow]

First of all, let me reiterate, again. I did not say it was more expensive or the same amount of money. I said with all of the costs that went into it, it was PROBABLY almost as expensive, because every aspect of the production has to be accounted for financially when comparing the two. Now, I can say with certainty that it is more expensive than a compilation album would be to make, like Crystal Visions.

I'm tired of people calling Stevie a lazy-ass. She's 60 years old, not 40, and she's not Madonna. She has the right to do whatever she wants to do at this point in her career. Unlike the aforementioned Madonna, Stevie has spent the last 4 years of her life focusing heavily on continuing her father's work with the Arizona Heart Foundation and visiting and advocating for the troops currently fighting in this war. So, for the many people who continually complain about Stevie's lazy-ass, you'll have to excuse her for not releasing new material in a timely fashion, because she's too busy trying to help out those who are afflicted by serious health issues or those who are being blown up by terrorists.

I don't know if lazy is the word. I think Stevie is uninspired, and also probably afraid to release anything new. I think for Stevie it's all about being popular and a commercial success. I don't think she believes she can do better than TISL, the album she calls her "masterpiece", and the thought of releasing something that can't live up to that scares her. I understand that and could accept it more if she would only try other creative endeavors rather than just talk about them constantly. At the very least it would be nice to get a new song on a soundtrack now and then.

[vermicious knid]

Stevie is not a lazy ass. Between Charity, Fleetwood Mac, and her solo career I do not see how she has time for much else.
Don't forget all the phone calls she's going to be making investigating ticket prices! It's probably going to be like The Pelican Brief and Stevie's tireless search for the truth will reveal a shocking link between scalpers and a plot to assassinate Supreme Court justices. NOT!!

Stevie cannot be compared to other artists because she works at a pace that is her own, and she has balanced two careers for almost 30 years.
Hardly. There have been some periods where she struggled to maintain that balance (e.g. arriving late for the Mirage sessions due to working on Bella Donna) but currently, in her own words, "When I am in one relationship, I am not in another one". There is no juggling or balancing anymore.

I'm sick of the lies. Stevie says she's working on an album inspired by the Mabinogion. Stevie says she wants to do an album of standards. Will finally complete her Rhiannon project. Said the band was going into the studio in October of last year. Yeah, maybe she changed her mind every single time. Or maybe she's just a dolt.

[HejiraNYC]

Stevie isn't one of those artists who releases compilation albums like "The Ultimate Collection" or "Greatest Hits Volume 3" like alot of other artists out there. Under Reprise, she has released one studio album, one compilation album, and soon, one live album. So she's not continually releasing the same versions of the same songs over and over. Fleetwood Mac on the other hand is, because they are, as we know, re-releasing Rumours once again. Stevie cannot be compared to other artists because she works at a pace that is her own, and she has balanced two careers for almost 30 years. Plus, we don't know how her label feels about her doing another studio album. They might feel that her name alone is no longer big enough to carry a new studio album, and therefore, have discouraged her from doing one.

Instead, Stevie is "one of those artists" who releases compilation albums like Timespace, Crystal Visions, Enchanted... :rolleyes:

Here is Stevie's U.S. track record:

-Studio Album
-Studio Album
-Studio Album
-Studio Album
-Greatest Hits
-Studio Album
-Greatest Hits
-Studio Album
-Greatest Hits
-Live Album

And when you consider that her first four studio albums were released within the first 8 years of a 28-year solo career (which also included 2 Fleetwood Mac studio albums), the track record looks even worse. Let's face it- Mama's been mostly on creative autopilot for the past twenty years.

Regarding the demand for a new Stevie solo album, given the state of the music business these days, I think the labels are desperate for any new product they can put on the market- the only way they can make up for lost volume is by increasing the number of titles. Surely Stevie is not likely to sell multi-platinum numbers ever again, but selling in the low-to-mid six figures is definitely realistic and is more than respectable for someone of her age and genre. And it's not like she needs to feel intimidated by her most direct competition- Lindsey and Christine- whose latest solo albums have sold practically nada. Even her pal Sheryl Crow's last album didn't even go gold. Sure, she has the right to work at her own pace, but she also owes us fans some kind of a realistic assessment of where we stand. I would have more respect for her if she said, in no uncertain terms, that she has retired from recording and will focus exclusively on live performance and other creative endeavors.

[Johnny Stew]

I was just reading through this thread, and I was going to stay mum, but I have a few things I'd like to say.

I hope fans haven't completely forgotten the solid seventeen years that Stevie worked virtually non-stop. Spending ten of those years bouncing back and forth between her solo career and Fleetwood Mac.

To expand HejiraNYC's assessment of her track record, let's look at it this way:

1975 - Fleetwood Mac album & tour
1976 - touring & recording
1977 - FM album & tour
1978 - touring & recording
1979 - FM album & tour
1980 - recording solo
1981 - solo album & tour
1982 - FM album & tour
1983 - solo album & tour
1984 - recording & some one-off live appearances
1985 - more recording & solo album release
1986 - touring (and time in rehab)
1987 - Mac album & tour
1988 - Mac European tour & solo recording
1989 - solo album & tour
1990 - Mac album & tour
1991 - solo tour (and some recording)

No one else in Fleetwood Mac ever kept up that pace or for that length of time.

Sure, the recording has become far more sporadic in the years since. And, yes, she's definitely coasting over the past four years with the hits tours. But, good grief, she's earned the right to coast.

Given the 130+ songs she's released over the years (and the countless others that were also recorded), I'd say she's already proven that she's a "true" artist and that she wasn't "just in it for the money," even if she's not currently creating new music.

Trust me, I want new songs as badly as everyone else does. I've never been interested in the year long tours. I'd rather have eight more albums to listen to. And, no, I don't think it's wrong to discuss any of this -- I just think we should check the sense of entitlement at the door.

[LukeA]

I don't think that we, as fans, are entitled to output (whether it be creative or touring) from Stevie. That's not the issue- at least not for me.

Its always been about how consistently offensively clueless Stevie has been in her words and actions ("we wish we could play for free", "things cost a gazillion times more", "why bother recording when people are going to steal it", "Fleetwood Mac is like being in the army", "I didn't know the SYW tour was going to be soooo long" etc.). Said words and actions are entirely in line with someone who currently *is* "only in it for the money" and/or completely out of touch with reality.

[mylittledemon]

I don't think that we, as fans, are entitled to output (whether it be creative or touring) from Stevie. That's not the issue- at least not for me.

I totally agree. Reality check...We're not the spoiled children who get to have whatever we want in this situation.

[David]

Well, I like Stevie & I cringe a little to see this criticism.

I have serious reservations about Stevie as a songwriter. But I think she is a wonderful person who is very ethical.

[HejiraNYC]

I was just reading through this thread, and I was going to stay mum, but I have a few things I'd like to say.

I hope fans haven't completely forgotten the solid seventeen years that Stevie worked virtually non-stop. Spending ten of those years bouncing back and forth between her solo career and Fleetwood Mac.

To expand HejiraNYC's assessment of her track record, let's look at it this way:

1975 - Fleetwood Mac album & tour
1976 - touring & recording
1977 - FM album & tour
1978 - touring & recording
1979 - FM album & tour
1980 - recording solo
1981 - solo album & tour
1982 - FM album & tour
1983 - solo album & tour
1984 - recording & some one-off live appearances
1985 - more recording & solo album release
1986 - touring (and time in rehab)
1987 - Mac album & tour
1988 - Mac European tour & solo recording
1989 - solo album & tour
1990 - Mac album & tour
1991 - solo tour (and some recording)

No one else in Fleetwood Mac ever kept up that pace or for that length of time.

Sure, the recording has become far more sporadic in the years since. And, yes, she's definitely coasting over the past four years with the hits tours. But, good grief, she's earned the right to coast.

Given the 130+ songs she's released over the years (and the countless others that were also recorded), I'd say she's already proven that she's a "true" artist and that she wasn't "just in it for the money," even if she's not currently creating new music.

Trust me, I want new songs as badly as everyone else does. I've never been interested in the year long tours. I'd rather have eight more albums to listen to. And, no, I don't think it's wrong to discuss any of this -- I just think we should check the sense of entitlement at the door.

Point taken! I don't begrudge her impressive body of work at all. And I think she did an incredible amount of work in the 1980's (drugs are good for something! :p) And I don't think Stevie has anything to prove artistically- everything from now on would just be icing on the cake. My frustration with Stevie is that she clearly loves every aspect of music except for actually making it. She is constantly bragging about her fertile creativity, but she has yet to produce anything new (except for a surreal, rambling poem about MLK) since the release of SYW, which actually contained mostly songs written decades earlier. She keeps talking about creating all of these wonderful poems (the hard part of the process), yet somehow she lacks the motivation to put them to music (the easy part). What's stopping her? Hmmm... fear of failure? Writer's block? Um... laziness? And it's not like this is a recent phenomenon... she has been mining the vaults ever since her Klonopin days. It's just so frustrating that this abundant waterfall of creativity has fallen off to a mere trickle.

Maybe we should sponsor some kind of a competition to put Stevie's latest poem (about MLK) to music, and the winning entry would be sent to John Kinney and he would decide whether or not to pass it along (we all know that any tapes sent directly to Stevie are destroyed per SOP). If it's any good (or if it sounds like Rihanna, Maroon 5 or Justin Timberlake), perhaps she will be inspired to record it.

[Johnny Stew]

Said words and actions are entirely in line with someone who currently *is* "only in it for the money" and/or completely out of touch with reality.

How about a third option? She's neither "only in it for the money" or completely out of touch with reality -- she's a drama-queen who glamorizes, romanticizes and/or amplifies whatever she's talking about.

Even though it can be maddening at times, it's all part of her charm.

[jbrownsjr]

Well, I like Stevie & I cringe a little to see this criticism.

I have serious reservations about Stevie as a songwriter. But I think she is a wonderful person who is very ethical.

I wish she would take over piano and keyboards for Christine...

I would pay anything to see that!!!! Cringes and all.. :angel:

[Johnny Stew]

She keeps talking about creating all of these wonderful poems (the hard part of the process), yet somehow she lacks the motivation to put them to music (the easy part). What's stopping her? Hmmm... fear of failure? Writer's block? Um... laziness?

My personal suspicion is that it's a fear of failure.

For example, Lindsey's validation is the critical acclaim with which each and every one of his albums is met. He may not sell a lot of physical copies, but he can open up a newspaper or music magazine and see that his songs are indeed reaching people.

Stevie's never been a critical darling -- her validation comes from the amount of folks who buy her albums and attend her concerts. That's the tangible way she sees that her music is reaching people.

So as the album-buying audience dwindles, it very well may lead her to believe (rightly or wrongly) that people just aren't interested in hearing something new from her anymore and they only want to hear "Stand Back," et al.

I'm sure that, for an insecure person like Stevie (and I'm certain that Lindsey and Stevie are both extremely insecure people), it must create an endless amount of self-doubt and confliction -- which, I'm sure, has also lead to the many and numerous reasons and excuses she's been giving for not recording a new album.

[skcin]

I don't think that we, as fans, are entitled to output (whether it be creative or touring) from Stevie. That's not the issue- at least not for me.

Its always been about how consistently offensively clueless Stevie has been in her words and actions ("we wish we could play for free", "things cost a gazillion times more", "why bother recording when people are going to steal it", "Fleetwood Mac is like being in the army", "I didn't know the SYW tour was going to be soooo long" etc.). Said words and actions are entirely in line with someone who currently *is* "only in it for the money" and/or completely out of touch with reality.

Good points.

[michelej1]

Don't forget all the phone calls she's going to be making investigating ticket prices! It's probably going to be like The Pelican Brief and Stevie's tireless search for the truth will reveal a shocking link between scalpers and a plot to assassinate Supreme Court justices. NOT!!



Now, you've made me suspicious of Ginsburg's cancer. Michele

[PenguinHead]

If Joni Mitchell can do a studio album (who makes about 10% of what Stevie has made) then Stevie Nicks can somehow regardless of label, do an album...

My feelings exactly! Joni and many other legendary artists (and many not so legendary) put manage to put out albums with fair consistency...without a requisite need for huge attention and sales. They do it for their artistic expression and for their fans.

I think there is a mindset among the Fleetwood Mac/Stevie camp that the heyday of the seventies is still in play -- i.e. spend a year or more and millions of dollars making an album and hope for massive, world-wide success. And if those exceptations aren't met, then deem it a failure. So why record anything at all?

At least Lindsey ( and to some extent Mick) has bucked that trend. He knows his albums will never sell at massive levels, but he's content to do his art and accept that the music industry isn't nothing like it used to be. I wish Stevie (and her management) could be a little more like Lindsey in that regard...a little less extravagant, a little more accepting of how things are now....."Come down here for a minute, sweet girl!"

[starshine]

I don't think that we, as fans, are entitled to output (whether it be creative or touring) from Stevie. That's not the issue- at least not for me.

Its always been about how consistently offensively clueless Stevie has been in her words and actions ("we wish we could play for free", "things cost a gazillion times more", "why bother recording when people are going to steal it", "Fleetwood Mac is like being in the army", "I didn't know the SYW tour was going to be soooo long" etc.). Said words and actions are entirely in line with someone who currently *is* "only in it for the money" and/or completely out of touch with reality.I so love your quotes of Stevie's comments.....of course she never recalls what she says in these interviews......but I do agree that she says things that are consistently clueless and offensive at times esp to us fans....whether she 'thinks' it is offensive or not. Esp the one about 'recording when people are going to steal it'....that one still burns me to this day. I don't do that....and to lump all your fans like that is degrading to me. I do think she takes things for granted....us fans....(esp us longtime fans---no offence to the newer fans though)....I think when she started her 'solo' stuff early on she was gonna record much much more stuff. Of course than all the drug days caught up with her (Betty Ford in '86) & than the Klonopin(sp?) time after that so that kinda ate up her solo time...it seems its than that she lost inspiration ....no drive to do anything....Really she could be productive 'if' she wanted to but it doesn't appear that she wants to. Sad but so true....and disappointing. As a fan sure I wish we could have like everything in the valuets but we all know thats not gonna happen (same with all the Mac stuff)....I mean of the unreleased songs that are out there (like whats the count?) like 75 or something. But how many is Stevie to have fully written that we don't know about?? thats what I'd like to know. 75 is like nothing....of course she could do a Bob Dylan and release the alternates/masters/outtakes/extended....with dvds' ......she could sell rare photos with HWW3...shirts....but lets not forget she is afraid of the Internet....so that's not gonna happen in this life time. They've all put themselves in boxs that they can't get out of or don't want to?? Just like this tour....with all the 'hits'....its a shame and in many ways uncreative. Besides the $$ and the economy thats another of the many reasons I am not inspired to support this tour or any other same with Stevie. Maybe as an older fan I guess I'd love something special....I guess I'm expecting too much. The same old same old is all they want to give there fans....at least IMO.....no offence just some thoughts......I do agree with the post in quotes....I'm sure I'm like totally forgetting something here.......easy to do.....:shrug: