*Spoiler* on upcoming Tour

[wolfontherun]

Silver Springs: How will they do the intro without a piano player? Guess it will be some kind of synth intro or maybe guitar.

Sara too isn't the opening suppose to be on a piano?

[SteveMacD]

Umm, they HAVE somebody playing piano. Brett Tuggle (I think, unless they've got somebody new).

In fact, there are more extra musicans than actual members of Fleetwood Mac at Fleetwood Mac shows.

[Enchanted_Stevi]

Umm, they HAVE somebody playing piano. Brett Tuggle (I think, unless they've got somebody new).

In fact, there are more extra musicans than actual members of Fleetwood Mac at Fleetwood Mac shows.

:nod: agreed

[Sahara]

How many extra musicians did they have for the Dance tour?

[kathy1]

do you think they will do beautiful child?

[wheart]

Silver Springs was performed for the first few legs of the SYW tour. I imagine they'll do the same intro, which I believe was piano played by one of the back ups. I love this song but I really wouldn't mind seeing it dropped from the set list. The Dance version is hard to beat and Stevie's voice on the "Live in Boston" 2003 show is beyond strained. It's almost difficult to listen to.

[kathy1]

i love silver springs.

[kathy1]

i also have a question do you think they will do angel?

[wheart]

i also have a question do you think they will do angel?

I'm hoping! I think it would totally rock! I don't think Mick mentioned it in his interview so maybe, maybe not. I've got my fingers crossed

[kathy1]

me too i agree with you.

[kathy1]

if it is the wrong place to ask these questions please let me know where to ask them. i would really appreciate it.

[seekerj]

Sara too isn't the opening suppose to be on a piano?

If they wanted to stay true to the studio version, it would need to be on the acoustic guitar. I don't understand why they reverse the acoustic guitar and piano parts when they do it live. It really bugs me. It's like the piano is playing the guitar parts and the guitar is playing the piano parts.

[HejiraNYC]

If they wanted to stay true to the studio version, it would need to be on the acoustic guitar. I don't understand why they reverse the acoustic guitar and piano parts when they do it live. It really bugs me. It's like the piano is playing the guitar parts and the guitar is playing the piano parts.

I'm not following... the studio version is all tack piano with some quiet acoustic guitar strumming and the occasional electric guitar noodling. The only difference live is that Brett uses a cheesy sounding electric keyboard rather than a tack piano and Lindsey's electric guitar fills are very pronounced. I can see why they have been so reluctant to perform this live- the studio version has a very specific vibe that is pretty much impossible to recreate in a live setting. And of course the voice... which is not quite as nuanced as it used to be :distress: .

[GoS]

In fact, there are more extra musicans than actual members of Fleetwood Mac at Fleetwood Mac shows.

Actually, no there are not. They let all of the "extra" musicians join the band just to stop us from complaining.

[seekerj]

I'm not following... the studio version is all tack piano with some quiet acoustic guitar strumming and the occasional electric guitar noodling. The only difference live is that Brett uses a cheesy sounding electric keyboard rather than a tack piano and Lindsey's electric guitar fills are very pronounced. I can see why they have been so reluctant to perform this live- the studio version has a very specific vibe that is pretty much impossible to recreate in a live setting. And of course the voice... which is not quite as nuanced as it used to be :distress: .

If you listen to any of the shows on the Tusk tour, you'll know what I mean. You can hear that acoustic guitar very clearly on the intro. On more current live versions, all I can hear is that annoying fake piano on the intro.

I hear you about the studio version. I wonder why they don't try to do it live with acoustic guitars and no electric guitar, and with Mick on brushes or whatever he used on the studio track. (Like a little bit like "Gypsy" at the AHI show and "Never Going Back Again" on the SYW tour.) I wonder if they've tried that.

[David]

What are you guys all talking about? I'm not following.

[chiliD]

How many extra musicians did they have for the Dance tour?

Lenny Castro: percussion
Neale Haywood: guitar, bkgnd vocals
Brett Tuggle: keyboards, acoustic guitar, bkgnd vocals
Sharon Celani: bkgnd vocals
Mindy Stein: bkgnd vocals

So, there's 5. (and, those couple of dates when the USC Marching Band showed up you can add about 40 or 50 more).

For the SYW tour, they added Carlos Rios (barf!) on guitar, Taku Hirano took Lenny's spot on percussion, Jana Anderson replaced Mindy Stein when she took maternity leave mid-tour...and there was yet another percussionist whose name I've forgotten.

[chiliD]

If they wanted to stay true to the studio version, it would need to be on the acoustic guitar. I don't understand why they reverse the acoustic guitar and piano parts when they do it live. It really bugs me. It's like the piano is playing the guitar parts and the guitar is playing the piano parts.

I, apparently, don't hear what you hear on the studio version. That's (to my ears, anyway) DEFINITELY piano playing the opening riffs...unless I'm wearing headphones, I can't hear any guitar at all on that opening part.

[HejiraNYC]

If you listen to any of the shows on the Tusk tour, you'll know what I mean. You can hear that acoustic guitar very clearly on the intro. On more current live versions, all I can hear is that annoying fake piano on the intro.

I hear you about the studio version. I wonder why they don't try to do it live with acoustic guitars and no electric guitar, and with Mick on brushes or whatever he used on the studio track. (Like a little bit like "Gypsy" at the AHI show and "Never Going Back Again" on the SYW tour.) I wonder if they've tried that.

here is the Tusk Tour version of "Sara" where you can distinctly see Christine playing the piano intro, and Lindsey plays electric guitars throughout the song- no acoustic guitar at all.

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I think it would be practically impossible to recreate the "Sara" wall of sound live- there's a lot of studio effects and overdubs on that. Although it seems that on Soundstage Sessions it seems that Sharon, Lori and Jana tried to recreate the "ooh" harmonies that kind of wash in and out of the studio version very subtly.

[Nicks Fan]

The other percussionist was a guy named Steve Arinkoff. I am not too sure on how he spells his last name but his first name is Steve.

Matt

[Livia]

I think it's Rinkov.

[CADreaming]

I think it would be practically impossible to recreate the "Sara" wall of sound live- there's a lot of studio effects and overdubs on that. Although it seems that on Soundstage Sessions it seems that Sharon, Lori and Jana tried to recreate the "ooh" harmonies that kind of wash in and out of the studio version very subtly.


Well, they did go in the studio and fix Soundstage up...

[seekerj]

here is the Tusk Tour version of "Sara" where you can distinctly see Christine playing the piano intro, and Lindsey plays electric guitars throughout the song- no acoustic guitar at all.

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I think it would be practically impossible to recreate the "Sara" wall of sound live- there's a lot of studio effects and overdubs on that. Although it seems that on Soundstage Sessions it seems that Sharon, Lori and Jana tried to recreate the "ooh" harmonies that kind of wash in and out of the studio version very subtly.

I wasn't talking about Lindsey playing the acoustic, I know he was playing the electric.... but wasn't the acoustic guitar played by Ray Lindsay who usually stood in the back? Somebody is definitiely palying an acoustic guitar on that St Louis show. Am I really the only one who hears this guitar on the St Louis boot??

Chili D, I hear the piano, but I really do hear the guitar on the studio version, I am not trying to be difficult! I even used software to amplify the intro to make sure. Also, for some reason I hear it more on the version that's on "The Chain" boxset than on any version that has come out since.

But I guess I need to be willing to admit that maybe I'm hearing things!

In any case, that keyboard that they use these days for the intro is really hard on my ears.

I just really haven't enjoyed a live version of Sara since the Mirage tour, with the "Bella Donna/Wild Heart/(some of the) Rock A Little tour" version being the absolute worst for me.

[HejiraNYC]

I wasn't talking about Lindsey playing the acoustic, I know he was playing the electric.... but wasn't the acoustic guitar played by Ray Lindsay who usually stood in the back? Somebody is definitiely palying an acoustic guitar on that St Louis show. Am I really the only one who hears this guitar on the St Louis boot??

Chili D, I hear the piano, but I really do hear the guitar on the studio version, I am not trying to be difficult! I even used software to amplify the intro to make sure. Also, for some reason I hear it more on the version that's on "The Chain" boxset than on any version that has come out since.

But I guess I need to be willing to admit that maybe I'm hearing things!

In any case, that keyboard that they use these days for the intro is really hard on my ears.

I thought Ray Lindsay only played on "Go Your Own Way." Perhaps you are thinking about the "Cleaning Lady" version of "Sara" that appears on the expanded Tusk reissue? That one definitely starts out with strumming acoustic guitars.

Agreed - the recent live keyboard sound is ass. I am actually rather fond of the keyboard sound from the WWD HBO special- where the piano intro is doubled by a synth.

[skcin]

I just really haven't enjoyed a live version of Sara since the Mirage tour, with the "Bella Donna/Wild Heart/(some of the) Rock A Little tour" version being the absolute worst for me.

I haven't really enjoyed one since the Tusk tour, TBQH. And even those - I dunno. I much prefer the album versions. I don't think it translates well live. It always seems that they are rushing through it. The recent Soundstage version wasn't bad musically but I hated Stevie's vocal - too loud, too shouty, not soft & sexy. Meh.

Not to go off-topic, but I don't usually like Gypsy live either. So much better on the album. With the notable exception of the acoustic AHI version.

[wheart]

I haven't really enjoyed one since the Tusk tour, TBQH. And even those - I dunno. I much prefer the album versions. I don't think it translates well live. It always seems that they are rushing through it. The recent Soundstage version wasn't bad musically but I hated Stevie's vocal - too loud, too shouty, not soft & sexy. Meh.

Not to go off-topic, but I don't usually like Gypsy live either. So much better on the album. With the notable exception of the acoustic AHI version.

I have to agree. I love hearing Sara live but it does sound rushed, doesn't it? Especially when they did it on the SYW tour and Stevie's vocals are WAY too loud. The recorded version has a subtle, underlying power that is completely stripped from the stage version.

[skcin]

I have to agree. I love hearing Sara live but it does sound rushed, doesn't it? Especially when they did it on the SYW tour and Stevie's vocals are WAY too loud. The recorded version has a subtle, underlying power that is completely stripped from the stage version.

Exactly. Which is why, even though I want to hear it badly, I am nervous about Storms. :sorry:

[HejiraNYC]

Exactly. Which is why, even though I want to hear it badly, I am nervous about Storms. :sorry:


Well, I had my misgivings about "Beautiful Child" when that was first announced, but lo and behold, she managed to pull it off despite belting out the song at full throttle. I have a feeling that "Storms" is going to be given the full band arrangement, which should be more forgiving of Stevie's belting.

[Janet]

I think being by herself versus being with Fleetwood Mac, Stevie sings differently. She tones it down a bit when she's with them because she's got the other super egos with her lol.

I am so excited for this tour. Sara was great the last tour just because it was such a gem from so long ago, but anything they do I will love.

I agree about Gypsy, I never liked it live, not even for Mirage. It just loses something. But I'll be happy with any song they do!!! Can't wait!!!

[David]

I wasn't talking about Lindsey playing the acoustic, I know he was playing the electric.... but wasn't the acoustic guitar played by Ray Lindsay who usually stood in the back? Somebody is definitiely palying an acoustic guitar on that St Louis show. Am I really the only one who hears this guitar on the St Louis boot??that's Lindsey on the Turner during the piano intro. You can hear him hit a few notes. It may sound like an acoustic but it's the Turner. The other thing is that the upright piano Chris used is tampered with so that several of the strings thung more loosely against the iron frame or the soundboard, which can sound like guitar strings against a fretboard.

In any case, that keyboard that they use these days for the intro is really hard on my ears.You mean solo or Mac? I played the SARA YouTube from Soundstage & thought it sounded rinky-tinky.

I just really haven't enjoyed a live version of Sara since the Mirage tourAfter that, things started going to hell.

[Fannymac]

Umm, they HAVE somebody playing piano. Brett Tuggle (I think, unless they've got somebody new).

In fact, there are more extra musicans than actual members of Fleetwood Mac at Fleetwood Mac shows.

Remember the good, old days when it was just the five of them?!?!?

[wheart]

Exactly. Which is why, even though I want to hear it badly, I am nervous about Storms. :sorry:

I am too! When I saw it may be done this time around, I started "hearing" it in my head as it may be sung...

[shackin'up]

I think she'll nail storms like she nailed Beautiful Child 5 years ago.

[jmn3]

I think she'll nail storms like she nailed Beautiful Child 5 years ago.

I hope you are right...I'm listening to Storms right now and thinking that if she nails the vocals on it, it really will be something great to hear live. On the other hand, the whole song could very easily be ruined if she can't quite get the vocal down. It's one of those that could easily be the hit of the tour or be dropped after one show!

[gypsydreamer]

I think she'll nail storms like she nailed Beautiful Child 5 years ago.

I think so too! I can't wait to hear it and I hope she sings Beautiful Child too!! I love thoes songs. And I would love to hear Angel live...wow I'd be in heaven!! :lol:

[carrie721]

I think she'll nail storms like she nailed Beautiful Child 5 years ago.

stevie's a pedophile? :distress:

[vivfox]

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I think she'll nail storms like she nailed Beautiful Child 5 years ago.

stevie's a pedophile?
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[vivfox]

In 2006 I asked Brett to show me how to play SOTM on the piano, even though I already know. I just wanted to learn a different way of playing it. He said he didn't know how to play that song but he offered to teach me how to play Silver Springs instead. I said "no thanks." Looking back I wish I had let him show me.
Anyway if FM wants to they can call me and I will play SOTM live on stage on the piano if no one else knows how to in their band. I can also play Sara almost the exact way Christine did. Or better yet they should ask Liam McConville cause IMHO he is an Excellent piano player and he looks like he could be Lindsey's younger brother from a different mother.

[sjpdg]

He was listed as the drum tech and you get little glimpses of him playing during "Come" on the Live In Boston DVD from the "Say You Will" tour.

Why they needed an additional drummer going on that tour I don't know, especially since if they wanted more volume/sound out of Mick, all they had to do was take down that stupid clear plastic barrier from in front of his drum kit.

I saw FM during the Vito/Burnette days at the Shoreline Amphitheater and Mick's bass drum was so solid that I felt my chest thumping through the whole show and I was probably 50 yards away!! I saw them earlier on the same tour at the Oakland Coliseum and I was about 10 rows from the stage and they rocked so hard I almost couldn't hear the whole next day!!

No need for an additional drummer! Percussionist yes, drummer, no!! No need to put a barrier up to quiet Mick down!! Just "Unleash" him!!!!!!