Crow replacing Stevie in FM?

[wolfontherun]

Maybe the real low down is that Stevie was feeling threatened that Crow could replace her?

I know doubtfull but still something interesting to ponder.

[AliceLover]

Sheryl Crow become more popular than Stevie Nicks? What?

[OldTimer]

The thread title scared the bejesus out of me! :eek: Glad it was only a theoretical question.....

For 40 years Stevie's spun an incredibly magical aura that Crow could never, never, never, never, never, never even come close to. Never. That's not neccessarily a knock against Crow. She's just never going to be in Stevie's league -- but then, who is?

[kennation]

The thread title scared the bejesus out of me! :eek: Glad it was only a theoretical question.....

For 40 years Stevie's spun an incredibly magical aura that Crow could never, never, never, never, never, never even come close to. Never. That's not neccessarily a knock against Crow. She's just never going to be in Stevie's league -- but then, who is?

Right on- No one could fill those boots!

[chriskisn]

The thread title scared the bejesus out of me! :eek: Glad it was only a theoretical question.....


I know I was almost going to start burning my Fleetwood Mac collection...

[GoldDustOrphan]

Stevie would kill with her bare hands anyone that tried to replace her. And I'd help hide the body.

[Gailh]

Stevie would kill with her bare hands anyone that tried to replace her. And I'd help hide the body.


And several people would swear blind Stevie was with them at the time the murder took place :laugh::laugh:

Gail

[BombaySapphire3]

Fleetwood Mac already tried the Nicks replacement thing with a back-up singer name of Beka Bramlett..it tanked miserably to the tune of the only Fleetwood Mac studio album in 40 years to fail to make the Billboard 200 ..so absurdly lame theard if I do say so myself.

[chriskisn]

Fleetwood Mac already tried the Nicks replacement thing with a back-up singer name of Beka Bramlett..it tanked miserably to the tune of the only Fleetwood Mac studio album in 40 years to fail to make the Billboard 200 ..so absurdly lame theard if I do say so myself.

Which is sad because under the right conditions Bekka could have been a big star. It just wasn't going to work with her replacing Stevie - especially given the loyalty of the Stevie fans.

When you see the crap that makes records these days I struggle to understand why Bekka is still a backing singer...

[BellaDonna93]

What? No one can be as great as Stevie, no one! If Crow replaced Stevie in The Mac, there wouldn't be Fleetwood Mac...So no, Crow can't replace Stevie, I'm sure!

[David]

What if Crow replaced Lindsey, & the band was just Stevie & Sheryl? That would be great! :thumbsup:

[fleetwoodtrick]

What if Crow replaced Lindsey, & the band was just Stevie & Sheryl? That would be great! :thumbsup:

Not sure why... but this made me laugh.

[SteveMacD]

Fleetwood Mac already tried the Nicks replacement thing with a back-up singer name of Beka Bramlett..it tanked miserably to the tune of the only Fleetwood Mac studio album in 40 years to fail to make the Billboard 200
Street Angel sold 350,000 copies. Out Of The Cradle I think sold about 50,000 copies. Time sold about 50,000 copies. So, combined, they sold about 450,000 copies. The point being that Fleetwood Mac was about as cool as a pocket protector from about 1991 through 1996. I mean, if Behind The Mask was a disaster at 1.5 million copies, what does that say about where their combined careers were going? Is it any wonder they decided to get back together in 1997?

As for the lack of success related to Time, a lot of it is because the record company decided the album would be DOA. Why? Because that band was essentially in the process of splitting up and Lindsey and Mick had their reconciliation. The band only played one show after the album's release. Christine made it known that Time was her swansong. Bekka and Billy let it be known that they had plans to make a record as a duo, as the band wasn't letting them do what they wanted. Which left Dave Mason, who already had a big solo career. With Lindsey and Mick talking, I'm sure Mick thought it would be easier to be Lindsey's drummer than try to find another new band AGAIN or have Fleetwood Mac become the new Dave Mason Band.

Which is sad because under the right conditions Bekka could have been a big star. It just wasn't going to work with her replacing Stevie - especially given the loyalty of the Stevie fans.
But it's not like Stevie's career was flourishing. Street Angel only sold about 350,000 copies.

When you see the crap that makes records these days I struggle to understand why Bekka is still a backing singer...
My hunch is that Bekka grew up around rock stardom, saw what it did to people, and decided it wasn't for her. Music is in her blood, though. So, she has intentionally kept it low key. I read somewhere that a record company wanted to make her the next Whitney Houston, offered her a contract in the millions, and she turned it down, as she wouldn't be staying true to herself. She might not be a star, but she has become a songwriter for big name, multi-million selling artists, and is likely making a killing on that.

I've always looked at the Stevie vs. Bekka thing as Joni Mitchell vs. Mavis Staples. Both have a place for very, very different reasons.

[Johnny Stew]

Street Angel sold 350,000 copies. Out Of The Cradle I think sold about 50,000 copies. Time sold about 50,000 copies.

No arguing with the numbers, of course, but it is still surprising that one of the members' solo albums (released at the nadir of her career, no less) sold seven times better than a brand new album with the Fleetwood Mac name on it. That was pretty shocking at the time.

Regardless of sales, I still think 'Time' is a great album. Not only does it feature one of my all-time favorite Christine songs ("Nights In Estoril"), but it also boasts some top-notch Richard Dashut production work.

If and when The Mac record again, I seriously hope Mr. Dashut's on board.

[Street_Dreamer]

Fleetwood Mac already tried the Nicks replacement thing with a back-up singer name of Beka Bramlett..it tanked miserably to the tune of the only Fleetwood Mac studio album in 40 years to fail to make the Billboard 200 ..so absurdly lame theard if I do say so myself.

Street Angel sold 350,000 copies. Out Of The Cradle I think sold about 50,000 copies. Time sold about 50,000 copies. So, combined, they sold about 450,000 copies. The point being that Fleetwood Mac was about as cool as a pocket protector from about 1991 through 1996. I mean, if Behind The Mask was a disaster at 1.5 million copies, what does that say about where their combined careers were going? Is it any wonder they decided to get back together in 1997?

As for the lack of success related to Time, a lot of it is because the record company decided the album would be DOA. Why? Because that band was essentially in the process of splitting up and Lindsey and Mick had their reconciliation. The band only played one show after the album's release. Christine made it known that Time was her swansong. Bekka and Billy let it be known that they had plans to make a record as a duo, as the band wasn't letting them do what they wanted. Which left Dave Mason, who already had a big solo career. With Lindsey and Mick talking, I'm sure Mick thought it would be easier to be Lindsey's drummer than try to find another new band AGAIN or have Fleetwood Mac become the new Dave Mason Band.

But it's not like Stevie's career was flourishing. Street Angel only sold about 350,000 copies.

My hunch is that Bekka grew up around rock stardom, saw what it did to people, and decided it wasn't for her. Music is in her blood, though. So, she has intentionally kept it low key. I read somewhere that a record company wanted to make her the next Whitney Houston, offered her a contract in the millions, and she turned it down, as she wouldn't be staying true to herself. She might not be a star, but she has become a songwriter for big name, multi-million selling artists, and is likely making a killing on that.

Exactly, and thank you. I've never understood why so many Stevie fans have felt so threatened that Bekka came into the band after she left. Stevie made her choice to leave, Bekka had nothing to do with it at all. The way Stevie fans talk, its as if Bekka pushed her out and made a bunch of derogatory remarks about her. Any female who came into Fleetwood Mac would have been in the comprimising position of having to "replace" and perform the songs written by one of the most beloved women in music.

Bekka came in and handled the situation like a true professional. A lot of people would have cracked under the pressure of being in Fleetwood Mac. She didn't have Christine there either. But it is what it is and some people will always be negative about Miss Bramlett. I'm just glad that she's happy and is at a level in Nashville where she's one of the "secret weapons" in town regarding her vocals and songwriting abilities.

Matt

[OldTimer]

I've never understood why so many Stevie fans have felt so threatened that Bekka came into the band after she left. Stevie made her choice to leave, Bekka had nothing to do with it at all. The way Stevie fans talk, its as if Bekka pushed her out and made a bunch of derogatory remarks about her. Any female who came into Fleetwood Mac would have been in the comprimising position of having to "replace" and perform the songs written by one of the most beloved women in music.


Very true, very well stated. Exactly the same as many peoples resentment towards Rick and Billy for stepping in when the beloved Lindsey backed out of the Tango Tour. FM fans are an emotional lot. :)

What seems different here, though, is that Sheryl Crow didn't sound like she was offering to fill the void of Christine's departure -- she came across more as wanting to jump right to the front and make it, like, Sheryl Crow with Fleetwood Mac.. Or maybe that was just my perception....

[SteveMacD]

No arguing with the numbers, of course, but it is still surprising that one of the members' solo albums (released at the nadir of her career, no less) sold seven times better than a brand new album with the Fleetwood Mac name on it. That was pretty shocking at the time.
I wasn't at all shocked. After about a month of the record company not promoting it, I figured it was DOA as far as they were concerned. Mick and John were miffed, to say the least. But, then again, it's not like they toured behind the album. And, if I were the record company and I knew that Christine had quit the band, Bekka & Billy were heading to Nashville, and that the ice between Mick and Lindsey had thawed, especially in light of the Eagles and Zepplin (sort of) reunions, why throw more money into the project? So that Fleetwood Mac could become a glorified version of the Dave Mason Band?

See, Stevie toured behind her album and worked the press to sell it. It didn't work, but at least she tried, which is why it got some results.

Lindsey was the big loser in all of it. He made videos, worked the press, and toured behind OOTC, and it sold about the same as Time. I suspect that's why he was willing to reconcile with the band.

Considering Time and the Twister soundtrack were released seven months apart, I think the sales numbers say more about the reunion than whatever bad blood may have existed.

[Phoenix]

Very true, very well stated. Exactly the same as many peoples resentment towards Rick and Billy for stepping in when the beloved Lindsey backed out of the Tango Tour. FM fans are an emotional lot. :)

What seems different here, though, is that Sheryl Crow didn't sound like she was offering to fill the void of Christine's departure -- she came across more as wanting to jump right to the front and make it, like, Sheryl Crow with Fleetwood Mac.. Or maybe that was just my perception....

I was never bothered by any of the switches. I LOVE that about Fleetwood Mac. U just kinda never know who's gonna be there. I love Fleetwood Mac with anybody in it really. (and I am Admittedly a fan of Stevies first and formost) But I think Rick Vito is awesome. I never got the impression that Sheryl Crow was trying to "take over", or "replace" anyone, it just seemed like YET ANOTHER Fleetwood Mac recruit. Witch i only think would have made the saga more interesting, continually.

[iamnotafraid]

What? No one can be as great as Stevie, no one!

What if Duffy replaced Stevie?

[StandbackStevie]

Fleetwood Mac already tried the Nicks replacement thing with a back-up singer name of Beka Bramlett..it tanked miserably to the tune of the only Fleetwood Mac studio album in 40 years to fail to make the Billboard 200 ..so absurdly lame theard if I do say so myself.

yes i think it was in 1994 or so they toured as a 70's rock tour along with Pat Benatar, Reo Speed Wagon and Orleans I believe it was terrible they were the last two go on and after 2 or 3 songs people were leaving while fleetwood mac was still performing terrible version and beka is no stevie nicks by far she was trying to imitate her too very very bad. I really don't know what mick fleetwood was thinking when he toured that time the best part of that show was pat benatar and she was the second to perform orleans performed first. i was very disapointed i knew before they came on stevie was not in the group i am sorry i want the real fleetwood mac not some people trying to be fleetwood mac it was a crazy thing mick did to tour at that time and they did tank big time.

[SteveMacD]

yes i think it was in 1994 or so they toured as a 70's rock tour along with Pat Benatar, Reo Speed Wagon and Orleans I believe
Actually, they opened for Crosby, Stills, & Nash in 1994. The crowd at that show actually felt so positive about the Mac that many were commenting that they thought Fleetwood Mac should have been the headliner.

The thing with Benatar and REO was a lame idea. But, it's not like the album was out, so most Fleetwood Mac fans I talked to weren't that upset about it. In fact, the only people who ever get upset by it are Lindsey and Stevie fans who didn't actually see it.

it was terrible they were the last two go on and after 2 or 3 songs people were leaving while fleetwood mac was still performing terrible version
That was not my experience, and I saw them twice. In my opinion, the versions they were doing were much better than the 1990 shows. Billy said on his Q&A years ago that the response to Bekka was overwhelmingly positive at most shows.

and beka is no stevie nicks by far she was trying to imitate her too very very bad.
If anything, Bekka was doing more Christine material than Stevie Nicks material. For the most part, they only had Bekka doing Gold Dust Woman as far as Stevie material. And I liked that version. It was very different. It was fresh, especially after the horrid versions Stevie did during the 1990 tour.

I really don't know what mick fleetwood was thinking when he toured that time the best part of that show was pat benatar and she was the second to perform orleans performed first. i was very disapointed i knew before they came on stevie was not in the group i am sorry i want the real fleetwood mac not some people trying to be fleetwood mac it was a crazy thing mick did to tour at that time and they did tank big time.
It's not like they were touring behind anything. The album came out after they stopped touring. And, I have no problem with people covering old material. It's been going on since Bob Welch joined the band. The band has gone through changes in the past, but played on. The new kids have had to play the old kids' material. Lindsey had to do a lot of Danny Kirwan, Bob Welch, and Peter Green songs when he joined the band. Was he pretending to be Fleetwood Mac?

[StandbackStevie]

Actually, they opened for Crosby, Stills, & Nash in 1994. The crowd at that show actually felt so positive about the Mac that many were commenting that they thought Fleetwood Mac should have been the headliner.

The thing with Benatar and REO was a lame idea. But, it's not like the album was out, so most Fleetwood Mac fans I talked to weren't that upset about it. In fact, the only people who ever get upset by it are Lindsey and Stevie fans who didn't actually see it.


That was not my experience, and I saw them twice. In my opinion, the versions they were doing were much better than the 1990 shows. Billy said on his Q&A years ago that the response to Bekka was overwhelmingly positive at most shows.


If anything, Bekka was doing more Christine material than Stevie Nicks material. For the most part, they only had Bekka doing Gold Dust Woman as far as Stevie material. And I liked that version. It was very different. It was fresh, especially after the horrid versions Stevie did during the 1990 tour.


It's not like they were touring behind anything. The album came out after they stopped touring. And, I have no problem with people covering old material. It's been going on since Bob Welch joined the band. The band has gone through changes in the past, but played on. The new kids have had to play the old kids' material. Lindsey had to do a lot of Danny Kirwan, Bob Welch, and Peter Green songs when he joined the band. Was he pretending to be Fleetwood Mac?

well i did see the show then it was in 1995 they played at the meadows in hartford from i saw if she was the blonde up front with billy burnette she was dressed up like stevie and trying to sing like stevie im sorry it didn't cut it for me at all and pretty much the rest of the venue as well i left in the middle of gold dust woman i believe not sure i want to guess it was the third song there lots of people leaving the arena as well i love fleetwood mac all versions really but it would have been different if bekka was not trying to fill stevie's boots cause she aint no stevie nicks the show sucked pat benatar,reo speed wagon and orleans were great pat was the high light of the show and I am a die hard fleetwood mac fan I am sorry the version of 1995 band of fleetwood mac sucked and it showed.

[shackin'up]

Sheryl Crow become more popular than Stevie Nicks? What?

she is in the rest of the world.

[StandbackStevie]

If anything, Bekka was doing more Christine material than Stevie Nicks material. For the most part, they only had Bekka doing Gold Dust Woman as far as Stevie material. And I liked that version. It was very different. It was fresh, especially after the horrid versions Stevie did during the 1990 tour.

Bekka ruined gold dust woman i tell ya on that anything she sang that was a stevie nicks song mick fleetwood should be ashamed to have her try to be stevie nicks. actually stevie's version on the behind the mask tour was a hell of a lot better than bekka's 1995 and yes at the time of the behind the mask tour stevie was heavily into klonopin i loved that tour behind the mask i though it was great.It's different when you have new people join the group let them be there own person and not try to be someone else because that particular person in the band was not a member at that time that is a draw for the band to make money and we all know that person is Stevie Nicks and I am sorry you can't replace Stevie Nicks and expect sell out venues.

[SteveMacD]

Bekka ruined gold dust woman i tell ya on that anything she sang that was a stevie nicks song mick fleetwood should be ashamed to have her try to be stevie nicks.
What? It's not like Bekka went out in chiffon and twirled. Was Mick supposed to pretend that Stevie had never been in the band? That seems dysfunctional at best, if not altogether disrespectful to Stevie. I mean, what would that have said about the legacy of Stevie Nicks if Fleetwood Mac made it like she had never been in the band? That she was so unimportant that we're not going to do anymore of her songs?

Of course, I could be a real a-hole and say "How dare Stevie have somebody other than John McVie play on Dreams, Angel, and Gold Dust Woman. How dare she try to replace that brilliance with some hack bassist."

Better still, how dare Stevie sing Christine's songs on the Say You Will tour? Stevie ruined Don't Stop. I mean, at least Bekka got the lyrics right.

actually stevie's version on the behind the mask tour was a hell of a lot better than bekka's 1995 and yes at the time of the behind the mask tour stevie was heavily into klonopin i loved that tour behind the mask i though it was great.
Eh, I was there for both, too young at the time to drink at either, and that's not at all how I remember it. Bekka had energy with the song, Stevie sounded like she was falling asleep and seemed to yell out things during that song as if to wake herself up. I loved how fresh the song sounded with Bekka. I really loved that arrangement. To be sure, I think Stevie totally got her game back by 1997.

It's different when you have new people join the group let them be there own person and not try to be someone else because that particular person in the band was not a member at that time that is a draw for the band to make money and we all know that person is Stevie Nicks and I am sorry you can't replace Stevie Nicks and expect sell out venues.
Whenever a new person joins the band, they have to do the old person's songs. When they first joined the band, Stevie and Lindsey had to do Danny's signature song Station Man, Bob signature song Hypnotized, and one of Peter Green's signature songs The Green Manalishi. It's funny how Stevie fans don't have a problem with Stevie and Lindsey singing other people's signature songs, but heaven forbid somebody else sings one of theirs. :rolleyes:

Bekka doing Gold Dust Woman was MUCH less tacky than, say, Billy Burnette doing Don't Let Me Down Again (even though, technically, Fleetwood Mac released a live version of the song).

Oh, and if you want to have a conversation with people, try using some effing punctuation. There's this handy little button located under the 'L' key and to the right. It's a period. It looks like this "." and it helps us understand where one sentence ends and another begins. Now, if you're asking a question, there's a special type of period called a question mark, which looks like this "?" and it helps us know that you have a question. For example, "Stevie Nicks quit Fleetwood Mac." is a statement, but "Stevie Nicks quit Fleetwood Mac?" is a question. See why they're important?

[SteveMacD]

well i did see the show then it was in 1995 they played at the meadows in hartford from i saw if she was the blonde up front with billy burnette she was dressed up like stevie and trying to sing like stevie
Bekka NEVER tried to sing like Stevie, nor did she ever dress like Stevie. Unless being a blonde woman in a black dress with boots now qualifies as dressing like Stevie. If that's the case, I guess bank tellers as a group are nothing but a bunch of Stevie wannabes. And, she only did ONE Stevie song that I ever saw. The only other songs she sang lead on that I ever heard were You Make Loving Fun, Say You Love Me, Dreamin' The Dream, and John Lennon's Imagine. Other than that, she sang Christine's parts on Don't Stop and World Turning, and got the lyrics right. So, exactly how was she trying to be Stevie?

Even in terms of style, Bekka wasn't trying to be Stevie. Bekka is a country-soul singer. Anybody remotely familiar with her mom and dad knew exactly where Bekka was coming from as an artist, and it wasn't Stevie Nicks. Again, it's like comparing Joni Mitchell to Mavis Staples.

I am sorry the version of 1995 band of fleetwood mac sucked and it showed.
See, the reaction here in Ohio was extremely positive.

[SteveMacD]

she is in the rest of the world.

Yeah, but reality can be a real sumbitch for certain people...

[TrueFaith77]

What if Duffy replaced Stevie?

Duffy is worse than Sheryl Crow! And that's saying a lot. I don't mind new members to The Mac; it's just I think there is a standard that should be kept. Rick Vito is a very talented guitarist and a clever singer -- sustaining that blues connection; Billy Burnette carries rock history in his very being. Bekka, as well, carries a legacy and she and Billy had dynamite chemistry on those songs. She can sang. Chemistry is key to the Mac, and I don't just mean the harmonies and duets. The guitar playing of Bob Welch and Bob Weston were sizzling, for example. Sheryl Crow and Duffy just aren't good enough. They're third-raters. Sorry for the rant. Fascinating discussion here.

[fleetwoodtrick]

Yeah, but reality can be a real sumbitch for certain people...

:rolleyes: Welcome to my world.

Anyways, I'm a HUGE Stevie fan, but I still love Bekka! As long as no one is comparing the Time FM and the Rumours FM, I think they're both great. So, one didn't sell even close to the other, but in matters of listening, that really doesn't matter.

[StandbackStevie]

Bekka NEVER tried to sing like Stevie, nor did she ever dress like Stevie. Unless being a blonde woman in a black dress with boots now qualifies as dressing like Stevie. If that's the case, I guess bank tellers as a group are nothing but a bunch of Stevie wannabes. And, she only did ONE Stevie song that I ever saw. The only other songs she sang lead on that I ever heard were You Make Loving Fun, Say You Love Me, Dreamin' The Dream, and John Lennon's Imagine. Other than that, she sang Christine's parts on Don't Stop and World Turning, and got the lyrics right. So, exactly how was she trying to be Stevie?

Even in terms of style, Bekka wasn't trying to be Stevie. Bekka is a country-soul singer. Anybody remotely familiar with her mom and dad knew exactly where Bekka was coming from as an artist, and it wasn't Stevie Nicks. Again, it's like comparing Joni Mitchell to Mavis Staples.


See, the reaction here in Ohio was extremely positive.

I am not knocking bekka for her talent well when she came out singing gold dust woman with a long black cloak and her voice was to me trying to imitate stevie's moves and persona i took it that way and alot of people have i believe I am sure when they finished there set at the meadows pretty much half the people already left it would have surprised me at all i never heard of her if she was an established star then I am was not aware of her stardom though she was a new comer I thought and I figured mick picked up because she was blonde and thin and could sing. That is my opinion of that version of fleetwood mac i just didnt care for that part of the group in 1994 and 1995. I love all the versions of fleetwood mac from the begining with Peter Green and thru with Billy Burnette and Rick Vito and today as well.

[David]

Bekka ruined gold dust woman i tell ya on that anything she sang that was a stevie nicks song mick fleetwood should be ashamed to have her try to be stevie nicks.I don't think she ruined it. I saw Fleetwood twice at Konocti Harbor -- in 1994 & 1995 -- & they did GDW both shows. It was ultra-cool with the bongos & the slow build, & although I don't dig Bekka's gospelly vocal style, she brought some soul to GDW & she wrote a good song on that 1995 album (forgot the name of it but I'm referring to the acoustic ballad).

actually stevie's version on the behind the mask tour was a hell of a lot better than bekka's 1995 and yes at the time of the behind the mask tour stevie was heavily into klonopin i loved that tour behind the mask i though it was great.Well, there you have it. The Mask tour includes some of my least-favorite memories of the band of my entire life. We'll just have to agree to disagree (or as the Mac sang in 1994, "We Just Disagree").

[trackaghost]

she is in the rest of the world.


That's very true. In fact I'd say America may be the only place where Stevie is more popular and more famous than Sheryl.

[michelej1]

I am not knocking bekka for her talent well when she came out singing gold dust woman with a long black cloak and her voice was to me trying to imitate stevie's

Well, there I disagree. I don't think Bekka ever tried to imitate Stevie with her voice. In fact, it may have been that her voice was so unlike Stevie's that people were so resistant. Bekka reinterpreted GDW. She didn't mimic what was. Her version didn't do much for me, but neither did Don Henley's participation on the song.

Michele

[michelej1]

In fact, the only people who ever get upset by it are Lindsey and Stevie fans who didn't actually see it.


Oh, I saw the show and I was upset about it. Saddened really. I didn't like them being on the nostalgia circuit at that time. I always thought they should wait until, well, 2008 to start doing that. John and Mick were there, but it wasn't the Mac to me. Yes, the Mac has a history of replacing members, but not having to replace that many at the same time. If only Christine had been gone, if only Lindsey had been gone, if only Stevie had been gone . . . but it was all 3 of them. I didn't like the Fleetwood Mac name (if not members) on tour with a bunch of eighties has beens.

Michele

[michelej1]

Whenever a new person joins the band, they have to do the old person's songs. When they first joined the band, Stevie and Lindsey had to do Danny's signature song Station Man, Bob signature song Hypnotized, and one of Peter Green's signature songs The Green Manalishi. It's funny how Stevie fans don't have a problem with Stevie and Lindsey singing other people's signature songs, but heaven forbid somebody else sings one of theirs. :rolleyes:


I have a big problem with Stevie and Lindsey doing other people's songs. I'd prefer they not even do Blue Letter in front of me. But as for Green Manalishi and Station Man, I don't think Stevie and Lindsey's fans know the original songs in the first place. It's very different to hear someone covering a song you've never heard as to opposed to a song that someone else made famous. People who went to see FM because of the White album's success doubtless had less of a problem hearing them do Oh Well, Station Man or Green Manalishi when they first heard the ban, than older fans of FM had.

The Time line up got more backlash simply because the songs they were covering were more famous. If they had been doing songs that fewer people are familiar with -- like Beautiful Child, people wouldn't have been compelled to compare as often.

It's just like this Crash that Stevie does. I think people who know the Dave Matthews version are less receptive to it than people who have no familiarity with the song at all. I can tell you, I hate for her to do Rock and Roll.

BTW Steve, it's not surprising to see bank tellers in black dresses, but do you often see them wearing black cloaks? 'Cause if you do, there's a good chance that they are imitating Stevie. When you ask them for a deposit slip, why don't you whisper "Rhiannon rings like a bell _______ " and see if they spontaneously complete the sentence.


Michele

[SteveMacD]

Oh, I saw the show and I was upset about it. Saddened really. I didn't like them being on the nostalgia circuit at that time. I always thought they should wait until, well, 2008 to start doing that. John and Mick were there, but it wasn't the Mac to me.
I agree that the tour was a bad idea. But, since there wasn't an album out at the time, and thus nothing to promote, why would they do a small headlining tour by themselves.

Yes, the Mac has a history of replacing members, but not having to replace that many at the same time. If only Christine had been gone, if only Lindsey had been gone, if only Stevie had been gone . . . but it was all 3 of them. I didn't like the Fleetwood Mac name (if not members) on tour with a bunch of eighties has beens.

There are a few reasons I don't see it that way. First, Billy Burnette was there, and he had been in the band seven years at that point (save for a few months in 1993, when he briefly quit). So, there was at least one veteran on the team. Here's the other little issue:

Kiln House: Mick, John, Danny, Jeremy
Future Games: Mick, John, Danny, Christine, Welch

Bare Trees: Mick, John, Danny, Christine, Welch
Penguin: Mick, John, Christine, Welch, Weston, Walker

Heroes Are Hard To Find: Mick, John, Christine, Welch
Fleetwood Mac: Mick, John, Christine, Stevie, Lindsey

Tango In The Night: Mick, John, Christine, Stevie, Lindsey
Behind The Mask: Mick, John, Christine, Stevie, Billy, Rick

Behind The Mask: Mick, John, Christine, Stevie, Billy, Rick
Time: Behind The Mask: Mick, John, Christine, Billy, Bekka, Mason

See the pattern? Every time they've had to add new people post-Kiln House, there have always been two new featured members on the following album. The only difference with Time is that they lost Stevie and Rick, but added Bekka and Dave. Christine was still in the band, just not on the road.

[iamnotafraid]

Duffy is worse than Sheryl Crow! Sheryl Crow and Duffy just aren't good enough. They're third-raters. Sorry for the rant. Fascinating discussion here.

No DUFFY?
As much as I like Duffy, my suggestion was meant as a joke. I don't want them to add anyone to the Mac, unless of course they could persuade Christine to come back.

For me there's only 3 good Fleetwood Mac's.

1. Peter Green's.
2. Lindsey, Stevie, and Christine.
3. Lindsey and Stevie.

The other various versions are boring.

And while I'm ranting, I think they should trim down the band. It's like some big traveling circus. Lindsey's solo tours proved you don't need all the extras. So how about.....

1. Lindsey
2. Stevie
3. John
4. Mick
5. A rhythm guitarist
6. A keyboardist

Enough?

[Lindsey Jr.]

Duffy has the most annoying voice heard in recent years.

And Sheryl Crow is a beautiful woman, but she's not in the Mac.

[seekerj]

I have a big problem with Stevie and Lindsey doing other people's songs. I'd prefer they not even do Blue Letter in front of me.

It's just like this Crash that Stevie does.


I so totally agree. It's not fair that we have to pay big bucks to watch them play kareoke.

[David]

And while I'm ranting, I think they should trim down the band. It's like some big traveling circus. Lindsey's solo tours proved you don't need all the extras. So how about.....

1. Lindsey
2. Stevie
3. John
4. Mick
5. A rhythm guitarist
6. A keyboardist

Enough?Why even bother with a rhythm guitarist for every number? The band used to add rhythm guitar on three or four songs a set, not the whole thing.

As for #6, the band I suppose does need someone playing some keyboard, but as far as I'm concerned does not need that keyboardist to operate a workstation with dozens of triggered patches & FX & all sorts of stupid stuff. Why should Fleetwood Mac sound like other rock bands? The hardware onstage that's in constant use throughout the set makes Fleetwood Mac indistinguishable from the ... Phil Collins band.

Can any of you tell the difference between Lenny on congas & Taku on congas? How about Brett on boards & Dan Garfield on boards & Steve Thoma on boards? How about Carlos on rhythm guitar & Neale on rhythm guitar?

It all blends together in the listener's brain. These guys are all skillful technicians & accomplished music performers, but none of them has the idiosyncrasies that make a guy like Mick Fleetwood or Lindsey Buckingham immediately recognizable.

Why has Fleetwood Mac been stripping itself of its special personal qualities for so many years? It should have been emphasizing those qualities, not burying them under "smoothly professional."

[seekerj]

Why even bother with a rhythm guitarist for every number? The band used to add rhythm guitar on three or four songs a set, not the whole thing.

As for #6, the band I suppose does need someone playing some keyboard, but as far as I'm concerned does not need that keyboardist to operate a workstation with dozens of triggered patches & FX & all sorts of stupid stuff. Why should Fleetwood Mac sound like other rock bands? The hardware onstage that's in constant use throughout the set makes Fleetwood Mac indistinguishable from the ... Phil Collins band.

Can any of you tell the difference between Lenny on congas & Taku on congas? How about Brett on boards & Dan Garfield on boards & Steve Thoma on boards? How about Carlos on rhythm guitar & Neale on rhythm guitar?
It all blends together in the listener's brain. These guys are all skillful technicians & accomplished music performers, but none of them has the idiosyncrasies that make a guy like Mick Fleetwood or Lindsey Buckingham immediately recognizable.

Why has Fleetwood Mac been stripping itself of its special personal qualities for so many years? It should have been emphasizing those qualities, not burying them under "smoothly professional."

I definitely agree with this, except that I can definitely tell the difference between Carlos and any other guitar player. I would rather have any other guitar player. Carols is always like a half of a second behind everyone else. I always know when it's him playing.

[wolfontherun]

The thread title scared the bejesus out of me! :eek: Glad it was only a theoretical question.....

For 40 years Stevie's spun an incredibly magical aura that Crow could never, never, never, never, never, never even come close to. Never. That's not neccessarily a knock against Crow. She's just never going to be in Stevie's league -- but then, who is?


OOps sorry, next time I will be thearetical in the tittle. :-)

[wolfontherun]

Fleetwood Mac already tried the Nicks replacement thing with a back-up singer name of Beka Bramlett..it tanked miserably to the tune of the only Fleetwood Mac studio album in 40 years to fail to make the Billboard 200 ..so absurdly lame theard if I do say so myself.


Lighten up! Just having a bit of fun. "Absurdly Lame" ??? harsh and very judgmental. Maybe next time you see a post you don't like you can skip it?

[Phoenix]

I have a big problem with Stevie and Lindsey doing other people's songs. I'd prefer they not even do Blue Letter in front of me. But as for Green Manalishi and Station Man, I don't think Stevie and Lindsey's fans know the original songs in the first place. It's very different to hear someone covering a song you've never heard as to opposed to a song that someone else made famous. People who went to see FM because of the White album's success doubtless had less of a problem hearing them do Oh Well, Station Man or Green Manalishi when they first heard the ban, than older fans of FM had.

The Time line up got more backlash simply because the songs they were covering were more famous. If they had been doing songs that fewer people are familiar with -- like Beautiful Child, people wouldn't have been compelled to compare as often.

It's just like this Crash that Stevie does. I think people who know the Dave Matthews version are less receptive to it than people who have no familiarity with the song at all. I can tell you, I hate for her to do Rock and Roll.

BTW Steve, it's not surprising to see bank tellers in black dresses, but do you often see them wearing black cloaks? 'Cause if you do, there's a good chance that they are imitating Stevie. When you ask them for a deposit slip, why don't you whisper "Rhiannon rings like a bell _______ " and see if they spontaneously complete the sentence.


Michele

OMG!:laugh: I have TOTALLY done this before to people!! and sometimes, i am THRILLED with the response!:blob2:

[StandbackStevie]

Well, there I disagree. I don't think Bekka ever tried to imitate Stevie with her voice. In fact, it may have been that her voice was so unlike Stevie's that people were so resistant. Bekka reinterpreted GDW. She didn't mimic what was. Her version didn't do much for me, but neither did Don Henley's participation on the song.

Michele

I am sorry i should have stayed and watched the rest of the show back in 1995 so it is unfair showf or me to say that Bekka ruined stevie's songs that is unfair of me to say since i didnt stay to see the rest of the show so I apologize on that and Yes I did enjoy the mask tour still even though stevie was not in her best form with lathargic performances on that tour due to her klonopin addiction problem which put her in that state of mind.

[PenguinHead]

[QUOTE=SteveMacD;789607]

Oh, and if you want to have a conversation with people, try using some effing punctuation. There's this handy little button located under the 'L' key and to the right. It's a period. It looks like this "." and it helps us understand where one sentence ends and another begins. Now, if you're asking a question, there's a special type of period called a question mark, which looks like this "?" and it helps us know that you have a question. For example, "Stevie Nicks quit Fleetwood Mac." is a statement, but "Stevie Nicks quit Fleetwood Mac?" is a question. See why they're important?[/QUOouTE]

:] You hit the nail on the head there! I love you! Apparently Beacon Falls, Connecticut has banished their citizens from employing periods and uppercase letters in their written communications.

[Phoenix]

There are a few reasons I don't see it that way. First, Billy Burnette was there, and he had been in the band seven years at that point (save for a few months in 1993, when he briefly quit). So, there was at least one veteran on the team. Here's the other little issue:
Kiln House: Mick, John, Danny, Jeremy
Future Games: Mick, John, Danny, Christine, Welch
Bare Trees: Mick, John, Danny, Christine, Welch
Penguin: Mick, John, Christine, Welch, Weston, Walker
Heroes Are Hard To Find: Mick, John, Christine, Welch
Fleetwood Mac: Mick, John, Christine, Stevie, Lindsey
Tango In The Night: Mick, John, Christine, Stevie, Lindsey
Behind The Mask: Mick, John, Christine, Stevie, Billy, Rick
Behind The Mask: Mick, John, Christine, Stevie, Billy, Rick
Time: Behind The Mask: Mick, John, Christine, Billy, Bekka, Mason


EXACALLY. Plus theres the Peter Green Version, and the Say you will version.THIS is why i wasnt bothered in the least by the eddition of Sheryl Crow. Even though shes already a known person, Id be just one more person in a looooong list. Thats just Fleetwood Mac. And as much as the romances, the "excess" the drugs, the music, ect. Thats ALWAYS a talking point. WHO is in the band THIS time round?

[Villavic]

Maybe the real low down is that Stevie was feeling threatened that Crow could replace her?

I know doubtfull but still something interesting to ponder.

That's a joke, isn't it?? :confused:

Ha haa .. I read it and immediately I imagined Fleetwood Mac including Edge of seventeen, instead of STand back, whit Sheryl singing (wearing black).. JUST A BLACK WING CROW...