Shippers input GOS?

[zzagar]

I haven't really noticed in any shipper thoughts regarding GOS. Lets face it, there's a tiny one in all of us, its in the back of your head... is that line about SN? i digress...

Though K helped write Love Runs Deeper... is it possible the adjective "black" was an adjective she chose? Certainly a "broken home" could've meant something too?

Nothing stands out. This is insightful, emotional work for LB, its just an oddity to get at least a jab or line in there somewhere. Then again, what real contact have they had since SYW ended?

Sorry, I forgot about Right Place to Fade... that song aside... anything? Great Day? TPT? Treason?

[michelej1]

Well, let's just say it doesn't give shippers as much to work with as UTS did. But Great Day , DYMM and Love Runs Deeper.

Yeah Kristen, tell us what you wrote. Did you write the "she was out of tune" part?

I'm reminded of the gal in some lyrics. Additionally, as I've stated before, I am also taking a few (parallel) lines for Christine, even if they weren't intended and even if she burned her bridges and couldn't come back if she crawled on her hands and knees all the way from Kent!

I do wonder with Lindsey. We know he's written about both Mick and Stevie. I wonder if he would ever point out anything he might have written about John and Chris. Michele

[TrueFaith77]

I really feel like the broken home in "Love Runs Deeper" refers to the Mac.

[michelej1]

I really feel like the broken home in "Love Runs Deeper" refers to the Mac.

I like that interpretation a great deal. Michele

[StreetAngel86]

Well, let's just say it doesn't give shippers as much to work with as UTS did. DYMM.

really?
i LOVE that song
i dont really care what/who it's about
but that would make it even more appealing :nod:

Yeah Kristen, tell us what you wrote. Did you write the "she was out of tune" part?

BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN lol
just remember
Mama foresaw the future when she wrote GDW and her "pale shadow" line :lol:

[SNLB]

Someone posted a video of LB talking about Love Runs Deeper. Here is the link:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=37426

I thought Lindsey said "I believe" my wife wrote the lyrics to the verses. "I believe"? Hmmm, he doesn't know for sure? Anyway, check out the video. Maybe I misunderstood something there.

[CADreaming]

Someone posted a video of LB talking about Love Runs Deeper. Here is the link:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=37426

I thought Lindsey said "I believe" my wife wrote the lyrics to the verses. "I believe"? Hmmm, he doesn't know for sure? Anyway, check out the video. Maybe I misunderstood something there.

No, you didn't misunderstand. He's just being coy.

[spacejunky]

I haven't really noticed in any shipper thoughts regarding GOS. Lets face it, there's a tiny one in all of us, its in the back of your head... is that line about SN? i digress...

Though K helped write Love Runs Deeper... is it possible the adjective "black" was an adjective she chose? Certainly a "broken home" could've meant something too?

Nothing stands out. This is insightful, emotional work for LB, its just an oddity to get at least a jab or line in there somewhere. Then again, what real contact have they had since SYW ended?

Sorry, I forgot about Right Place to Fade... that song aside... anything? Great Day? TPT? Treason?


o.k could you please translate what a shipper is for us australians that have got no idea what ya mean!!! cheers mate!:shrug:

[LukeA]

o.k could you please translate what a shipper is for us australians that have got no idea what ya mean!!! cheers mate!:shrug:

In this case, its a term that refers to fans who feel that Lindsey & Stevie belong together, and that Lindsey longs to break free from his marriage and/or his parental responsibilities for a passionate reunion with Stevie- and writes/sings about it every chance he gets.

The shippers also tend to blindly hate Kristen (Buckingham, Lindsey's wife) and paint her as a succubus from hell. Now, while its fair to say that those who have actually met her (and have dealt with with her unpleasant/petulant behavior first hand), or have knowledge of her rather um, curious background, have found other legitimate reasons to question Lindsey's judgment, its rather ridiculous to think that Lindsey was somehow misguided.

For what its worth, Kristen is exactly who Lindsey was looking/waiting for, and I'm sure they are quite happy together. I'll say that much.

[CADreaming]

In this case, its a term that refers to fans who feel that Lindsey & Stevie belong together, and that Lindsey longs to break free from his marriage and/or his parental responsibilities for a passionate reunion with Stevie- and writes/sings about it every chance he gets.

The shippers also tend to blindly hate Kristen (Buckingham, Lindsey's wife) and paint her as a succubus from hell. Now, while its fair to say that those who have actually met her (and have dealt with with her unpleasant/petulant behavior first hand), or have knowledge of her rather um, curious background, have found other legitimate reasons to question Lindsey's judgment, its rather ridiculous to think that Lindsey was somehow misguided.

For what its worth, Kristen is exactly who Lindsey was looking/waiting for, and I'm sure they are quite happy together. I'll say that much.

Actually, the only part of that "definition" that can be said to be true of all "shippers" is the part I bolded.

The rest of it I have to call you out on generalizing because "shippers" come in all shapes, sizes and forms and do not all agree on the relationship between SnL - past, present or future or all feel the same way about his wife(certainly not that she came from hell - how harsh)...

Really, the best definition is "one who believes that Stevie and Lindsey are or should be together."

[strandinthewind]

^^^

I agree.

Here is a post I made in the "Screwed @ Royce Hall 9/14/2008" thread in response to why K seemingly gets attacked:

Well, it depends and there is a long, complicated history there. Here is some background info. Many people on the SYW tour reported that K was overtly rude without cause to them. Many people on the SYW tour reported that she was doing similar and other kinds of crazy and rude things. I know some of the people saying those things and they were not really people who were blind about LB and K. Granted, some were. Many people, however, rudely discounted the reports as coming from bitter females (mostly) who just hate K because LB and La Nicks should be together and K is in the way, etc. I think those people existed at the time, but and again, I know people whose complaints I agree with because they were not that way despite being lumped together. So, to discount all the opinions as just a bunch of crazy shipper fillies (CSF - a term coined by moi ) - is incorrect and unfair in my opinion. Moreover, many of the people lumping them together were so rude about it, it was ridiculous. So, people tend to be nervous and biting on this subject.

Also, there was a bunch of stuff that people, including me, saw with their own two eyes that never really got reported on a public message board. The reason for this is - if you did, as many did in the beginning, people would have the audacity to tell you you did not see what you saw. It essentially was censorship in that the naysayers wanted the CSF never to discuss the topic and gave the CSF utter hell and personal insults if the topic was discussed in any manner. The CSF were called stupid, deluded, and irrational liars who had no life. The CSF were called other names, insulted, etc. - when all they were doing was having a discussion on a topic they found interesting.

If you go to www.buckinghamnicks.net (kudos to the lovely and talented nancy ) and do a little research on the chatboard, you'll get an eyeful

Now, almost all the CSF are gone. So, the point is relatively moot, with the exception of people who still love to bag on that faction of fans, which I think is silly.

Anyhoodle - that is just come background on this issue and why I think people act like they do on this topic.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=37376&page=9

[David]

o.k could you please translate what a shipper is for us australians that have got no idea what ya mean!!! cheers mate!:shrug:Some of them write fan fiction about Buckingham & Nicks, which is sometimes interesting to read.

[DESTINYRU!ES]

Without getting politically shipper/non-shipper I will concur with some else who posted that Treason is pointedly written about/for Stevie. The "years ago I was low, why should I care" is telling because I think he's speaking of how he felt left behind emotionally and recognizes and has compassion for this person who's going through it now. "They said you weren't there" The choice of words are unconvincing to LB that the person is acutally not there with the use of "They said". He might see through the lie and also reconnect to his feelings about how they lost the ability to communicate with each other with all that was going on around them.

I also think the dominant theme of the song is about embracing your own death as a way to reconnect to the past;

Behind garden walls I search for you
Saw your face full of grace searching for me

Sounds like afterlife fantasy and oh so well written.

[CADreaming]

Without getting politically shipper/non-shipper I will concur with some else who posted that Treason is pointedly written about/for Stevie. The "years ago I was low, why should I care" is telling because I think he's speaking of how he felt left behind emotionally and recognizes and has compassion for this person who's going through it now. "They said you weren't there" The choice of words are unconvincing to LB that the person is acutally not there with the use of "They said". He might see through the lie and also reconnect to his feelings about how they lost the ability to communicate with each other with all that was going on around them.

I also think the dominant theme of the song is about embracing your own death as a way to reconnect to the past;

Behind garden walls I search for you
Saw your face full of grace searching for me

Sounds like afterlife fantasy and oh so well written.

Those lyrics made me think of "Running Through the Garden"

[ajmccarrell]

In this case, its a term that refers to fans who feel that Lindsey & Stevie belong together, and that Lindsey longs to break free from his marriage and/or his parental responsibilities for a passionate reunion with Stevie- and writes/sings about it every chance he gets.

The shippers also tend to blindly hate Kristen (Buckingham, Lindsey's wife) and paint her as a succubus from hell. Now, while its fair to say that those who have actually met her (and have dealt with with her unpleasant/petulant behavior first hand), or have knowledge of her rather um, curious background, have found other legitimate reasons to question Lindsey's judgment, its rather ridiculous to think that Lindsey was somehow misguided.

For what its worth, Kristen is exactly who Lindsey was looking/waiting for, and I'm sure they are quite happy together. I'll say that much.

You forgot to mention that some shippers are extremely violent in their hatred of those who question some of the obvious delusions of ultra-shipperdom. Most shippers are nice though, there is a certain segment that are just plain psycho. For example, the "Do you hear me Annie?" was changed to mean "Stevie" instead of who it was obviously meant for, "Anne Heche", etc. Many ultra-shippers would stake their lives on such nonsense.

[michelej1]

Those lyrics made me think of "Running Through the Garden"

Yes, especially since Rappaccini's daughter was deliberately hiding to protect her lover from her poison. It fits right in with Lindsey's words, searching for a face full of grace behind garden walls. Then, they come together. That's what makes the flip line that he saw her searching "for me" so powerful.

Course, I could also view the lyrics as a counterpart to Gate and Garden.:laugh:

Michele

[strandinthewind]

Yes, especially since Rappaccini's daughter was deliberately hiding to protect her lover from her poison. It fits right in with Lindsey's words, searching for a face full of grace behind garden walls. Then, they come together. That's what makes the flip line that he saw her searching "for me" so powerful.

Course, I could also view the lyrics as a counterpart to Gate and Garden.:laugh:

Michele

Ok - I agree with you - is there a full moon :laugh:

[Lori40]

The line in Underground, "Did I sell my heart for the dreams in my head?" reminds me of Stevie and Lindsey. If he would have used "soul" instead of "heart", I wouldn't think that, but we all know that Lindsey thinks that joining FM contributed to their break up.

[GoS]

The line in Underground, "Did I sell my heart for the dreams in my head?" reminds me of Stevie and Lindsey. If he would have used "soul" instead of "heart", I wouldn't think that, but we all know that Lindsey thinks that joining FM contributed to their break up.

I never thought of it that way. I always thought he meant did he sell what he really wanted for what he assumed that he wanted, and his heart and his dreams in his head both referred to something he has done in his musical carer. But, as some one who writes poetry for fun and likes to think he's god at it, I doubt that every line means something specific, so I always wonder which of the lines artists use because they sound good or just fit better that the next option.

I am sorry, I am out-of-date with my lingo, what does shipper's influence mean?

[njova]

I was wondering about the song Treason if it was about Stevie, and if it is I wonder what the Treason was.

[michelej1]

The line in Underground, "Did I sell my heart for the dreams in my head?" reminds me of Stevie and Lindsey. If he would have used "soul" instead of "heart", I wouldn't think that, but we all know that Lindsey thinks that joining FM contributed to their break up.

I don't think Lindsey would refer to joining FM in that way, because he didn't join the band to fulfill his career dreams. In fact, joining the band was actually the opposite of what his dream was in a way. So, I don't think he'd refer to it like that.

Actually, people usually do the opposite, they give up their dreams for their head (practical reasons) or their heart (love and family) rather than the other way around. That's what I think many of the songs on UTS (most notably CAD) were about. I try to think what love (heart) Lindsey had to give up for his dream of making avant garde music.

But anyway, the line in the song makes you ask the question, "Have you any dreams to sell."

Michele

[Tango]

I am not a shipper, but how about Lindsey's "Did You Miss Me," answered by Stevie's TISL, "I Miss You," a song in which which Lindsey just happened to make an appearance. Coincidence????? :laugh:

http://www.pmthink.com/ProjectManagementTruth01.bmp

[michelej1]

I am not a shipper, but how about Lindsey's "Did You Miss Me," answered by Stevie's TISL, "I Miss You," a song in which which Lindsey just happened to make an appearance. Coincidence????? :laugh:

Ha, I like your sig since the MSR is practically all I ever think about when a subject like this comes up. Michele

[mylittledemon]

I for one don't think he's really writing about Stevie anymore. I could be way off. But knowing what his personal life seems to be like now, the songs don't come across as being about Miss Nicks.

[BTFLCHLD]

I for one don't think he's really writing about Stevie anymore. I could be way off. But knowing what his personal life seems to be like now, the songs don't come across as being about Miss Nicks. :xoxo: :eek: do we dare deny the allowance to squeeze the essential oils from the lyrics? :laugh:

[GoS]

I for one don't think he's really writing about Stevie anymore. I could be way off. But knowing what his personal life seems to be like now, the songs don't come across as being about Miss Nicks.

I agree. We can't forget it, he might have moved on. Or, every word, every hum, every guitar solo, every smile, every thought, every dream, every song, every album, and every wish/regret could be about/for her.

[StreetAngel86]

Someone posted a video of LB talking about Love Runs Deeper. Here is the link:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=37426

I thought Lindsey said "I believe" my wife wrote the lyrics to the verses. "I believe"? Hmmm, he doesn't know for sure? Anyway, check out the video. Maybe I misunderstood something there.

that made me laugh
like maybe, there was more than just linds and K contributing to that song
if it was mainly Lindsey writing, dont you think he would know which lines HE penned?

^^^

I agree.

Here is a post I made in the "Screwed @ Royce Hall 9/14/2008" thread in response to why K seemingly gets attacked:



http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=37376&page=9


this [non crazy-manic] shipper is still here ;)
i havent posted on the BN board in years tho :o
i miss all the conversations that y'all had over there
and I don't hate K... i just don't like her
& i dont get warm and fuzzy when i see them together
she gives off the impression of being a bitch...sorry
no, i don't know her and havent met her
but that's the vibe i get when i watch her in the vids and see pics of her :nod:

[StreetAngel86]

Ha, I like your sig since the MSR is practically all I ever think about when a subject like this comes up. Michele

so you loved IWtB too :D:D:D
the LnS saga would be a beautiful movie :laugh:

[Lee]

I for one don't think he's really writing about Stevie anymore. I could be way off. But knowing what his personal life seems to be like now, the songs don't come across as being about Miss Nicks.

But who really knows. Hasn't Stevie said that she has songs in her vault from years & years ago that she brings out from time to time? Maybe some are about Stevie that Lindsey has kept around from years ago.

Sometimes I hear lyrics that come from Stevie & Lindey that are the same. Like what is this "underground" stuff? What exactly is going "underground"? And what is Stevie's velvet underground in Gypsy? I thought that meant her home where she grew up. Is that what Lindsey means, too?

"Parallel universe", I thought I heard this mentioned in one of Lindsey's songs. Doesn't Stevie mention this in on of her songs, too? Destiny Rules, maybe? :confused:

Lee :)

[AliceLover]

But who really knows. Hasn't Stevie said that she has songs in her vault from years & years ago that she brings out from time to time? Maybe some are about Stevie that Lindsey has kept around from years ago.

Sometimes I hear lyrics that come from Stevie & Lindey that are the same. Like what is this "underground" stuff? What exactly is going "underground"? And what is Stevie's velvet underground in Gypsy? I thought that meant her home where she grew up. Is that what Lindsey means, too?

"Parallel universe", I thought I heard this mentioned in one of Lindsey's songs. Doesn't Stevie mention this in on of her songs, too? Destiny Rules, maybe? :confused:

Lee :)

Lindsey was talking about Under the Skin in Underground. I believe that he felt like no one wanted to hear his album, so his only choice was to wander underground. I thought that was pretty clear.

[Nico]

I'm not a shipper and really don't bother to interpret his lyrics far enough to know/care who they are about in the long run. I think Stevie's songs, in general , are a lot more interesting to interpret because of the many variety of metaphors she uses, whereas Lindsey kind of says similar things. Not to say they aren't beautiful, or that his songs are in any way inferior (bitch please, we all know how I feel about the man), but I just don't think he has the same lyrical prowess as the LADY and therefore, I sometimes could care less. :o

Does that make me a bad fan?

One thing: I like Kristen. Even if she may come off as a bitchandthensome at times she has done nothing to me personally, and for some reason he's been so eff'n prolific since he hooked up with her that she must have done something right. Plus, the kids are gorgeous and I like her camera.

However, I absolutely can't stand how weird Lindsey is in interviews when it comes to discussing his wife + kids. More often than not he will use the exact same phrase verbatim and it's kind of annoying. But then he does that quite a lot and I wonder if he intentionally means to sound so pretentiously cerebral or if he actually seriously talks like that.:shrug: I love him. Think he's a genius. But in interview settings I can't take him.

Sorry, totally random. Shippers, please, continue...:wavey:

[CADreaming]

Plus, the kids are gorgeous and I like her camera.

ROFLOL!!!! :thumbsup:

However, I absolutely can't stand how weird Lindsey is in interviews when it comes to discussing his wife + kids. More often than not he will use the exact same phrase verbatim and it's kind of annoying. But then he does that quite a lot and I wonder if he intentionally means to sound so pretentiously cerebral or if he actually seriously talks like that.:shrug: I love him. Think he's a genius. But in interview settings I can't take him.

I feel your pain...

[Maccafan5000]

I'm not a shipper and really don't bother to interpret his lyrics far enough to know/care who they are about in the long run. I think Stevie's songs, in general , are a lot more interesting to interpret because of the many variety of metaphors she uses, whereas Lindsey kind of says similar things. Not to say they aren't beautiful, or that his songs are in any way inferior (bitch please, we all know how I feel about the man), but I just don't think he has the same lyrical prowess as the LADY and therefore, I sometimes could care less. :o

Does that make me a bad fan?

One thing: I like Kristen. Even if she may come off as a bitchandthensome at times she has done nothing to me personally, and for some reason he's been so eff'n prolific since he hooked up with her that she must have done something right. Plus, the kids are gorgeous and I like her camera.

However, I absolutely can't stand how weird Lindsey is in interviews when it comes to discussing his wife + kids. More often than not he will use the exact same phrase verbatim and it's kind of annoying. But then he does that quite a lot and I wonder if he intentionally means to sound so pretentiously cerebral or if he actually seriously talks like that.:shrug: I love him. Think he's a genius. But in interview settings I can't take him.

Sorry, totally random. Shippers, please, continue...:wavey:


Jeez Nico, I had to look twice and make sure I didn't write that post. Ditto and then some from this gal.

...I'd only add that I absolutely love when Linds does throw some great lines in songs like "everyone's peace lives side by side with their war." I don't expect them and cherish them even more.

[ajmccarrell]

I'm not a shipper and really don't bother to interpret his lyrics far enough to know/care who they are about in the long run. I think Stevie's songs, in general , are a lot more interesting to interpret because of the many variety of metaphors she uses, whereas Lindsey kind of says similar things. Not to say they aren't beautiful, or that his songs are in any way inferior (bitch please, we all know how I feel about the man), but I just don't think he has the same lyrical prowess as the LADY and therefore, I sometimes could care less. :o

Does that make me a bad fan?

One thing: I like Kristen. Even if she may come off as a bitchandthensome at times she has done nothing to me personally, and for some reason he's been so eff'n prolific since he hooked up with her that she must have done something right. Plus, the kids are gorgeous and I like her camera.

However, I absolutely can't stand how weird Lindsey is in interviews when it comes to discussing his wife + kids. More often than not he will use the exact same phrase verbatim and it's kind of annoying. But then he does that quite a lot and I wonder if he intentionally means to sound so pretentiously cerebral or if he actually seriously talks like that.:shrug: I love him. Think he's a genius. But in interview settings I can't take him.

Sorry, totally random. Shippers, please, continue...:wavey:

I've wondered why? I mean, is the repetativeness of his interviews dictated by his management, or does he use certain phrases on purpose to keep the rumor mill going, since that's FM's bread and butter? :shrug:

[michelej1]

so you loved IWtB too :D:D:D
the LnS saga would be a beautiful movie :laugh:

I didn't love IWtB exactly. I wanted a little something different. Yeah, it wasn't a mytharc, but it wasn't really a motw either. However, it did remind me of how MADLY in love I am with the MSR. Trust, faith, loyalty, insecurity and a bond that makes the word "love" seem strangely insufficient. Sigh.

Michele

[spacejunky]

thanks for the definition guys...i still dont get why you call 'them' shippers...but hey it must be a cultural thing....its definately wierd though...but each to their own....enjoy

[spacejunky]

I didn't love IWtB exactly. I wanted a little something different. Yeah, it wasn't a mytharc, but it wasn't really a motw either. However, it did remind me of how MADLY in love I am with the MSR. Trust, faith, loyalty, insecurity and a bond that makes the word "love" seem strangely insufficient. Sigh.

Michele

what are you on about mate??? gawd it drives me round the bend when people abreviate like that.....we have all read this post here and would love an explanation....is this the enigma code???

[TrueFaith77]

However, I absolutely can't stand how weird Lindsey is in interviews when it comes to discussing his wife + kids. More often than not he will use the exact same phrase verbatim and it's kind of annoying. But then he does that quite a lot and I wonder if he intentionally means to sound so pretentiously cerebral or if he actually seriously talks like that.:shrug: I love him. Think he's a genius. But in interview settings I can't take him.



I think it's part of his charm.

[Lee]

Lindsey was talking about Under the Skin in Underground. I believe that he felt like no one wanted to hear his album, so his only choice was to wander underground. I thought that was pretty clear.

I do not have Under the Skin, & I have not heard any comments about it from him, so I did not know this. Thanks though.

Lee :)

[michelej1]

I do not have Under the Skin, & I have not heard any comments about it from him, so I did not know this. Thanks though.

Lee :)

Actually though, "underground" is a recurring theme throughout GOS and it means somethng deeper and more universal than UTS. Just like he said Treason could be the relationship between 2 people or 2 nations, I think that going underground can mean that too. It's definition can be as big or small as the imagination allows.

In fact, the way he describes Big Love as saying "looking out for love" doesn't mean searching for it, but can also mean guarding and defending against it, I think that's a version of the "underground" concept too, as it relates to the music industry, love, and life in general. Take your feelings off the table. Keep them to yourself, if they're not going to be appreciated.

Michele

Michele

[CADreaming]

thanks for the definition guys...i still dont get why you call 'them' shippers...but hey it must be a cultural thing....its definately wierd though...but each to their own....enjoy

Shippers as in "realtionSHIP"...

but some will say that ship has sailed... lol ...

[StreetAngel86]

what are you on about mate??? gawd it drives me round the bend when people abreviate like that.....we have all read this post here and would love an explanation....is this the enigma code???

it isnt a translation/cultural thing
shipper comes from relationSHIP
originating from the Phile community many moons ago {Xfiles fans who were pro M&S hooking up at some point in the show/after the show}
Michele's post pertains to XF related storyline stuff...if you didnt/don't watch, u wont understand

but basically, everyone online now, who fans a "couple" call themselves shippers, usually they have nicknames
like BNers {Stevie & Linds shippers} MSR is Mulder & Scully relationship, Grillows is Catherine & Grissom from CSI Vegas.....or GSR if you're pro Grissom and Sara

et cetera et cetera et cetera :D

[David]

In fact, the way he describes Big Love as saying "looking out for love" doesn't mean searching for it, but can also mean guarding and defending against itWasn't that idea first aired in the L.A. Times in 1987?

[michelej1]

Wasn't that idea first aired in the L.A. Times in 1987?

Yes, but he hasn't been repeating it for 20 years. He apparently forgot about it and is just now pulling it out of the mothballs. He's very happy with himself too, because that speech is very popular. He gets laughter when he talks about guarding against love and he gets applause when he says that he wasn't about to be one of those fathers who wasn't there for his kids, like his friends were.

Interesting, in San Jose, when his family was there, he added that he saw friends AND family members who weren't there for their kids. So, I wondered if there were some relatives in the audience who he was thinking of.

I would posit that the reason that Lindsey is not a father has more to do with the fact that most of the women he dated did not want to be mothers, rather than the fact that he was actively avoiding paternity. His speech suggests that it was all the result of careful planning on his part.

Michele

[michelej1]

{Xfiles fans who were pro M&S hooking up at some point in the show/after the show}


The other termed used was "noromo" if you saw no romance, but I guess that one didn't catch on.

I will say that to the extent that I am shippy, it's not that I want any couples to get together, so much as that I tend to see a romance in most relationships. Romantic in the sense of an enduring commitment or bond, that overcomes and lasts even when the parties don't necessarily want it to. I kind of lean towards that rather than a smoochy, passionate, happily ever after future between the people.

I mean, I periodically take out a clip of Dean Martin appearing unexpectedly at one of the Jerry Lewis Telethon's and I cry (rather vigorously) about that. I look and wonder if Frank Sinatra (also in attendance) is as moved as I am by the scene and then I fumble for the kleenex, so I tend to veer ship.

Michele