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[Madness Fades]

Not to be out done on his latest tour, Bruce Springsteen uses Lindsey's old chestnut and lets the crowd join in.

http://www.backstreets.com/Assets/Images/tour031708b.jpg

[michelej1]

Not to be out done on his latest tour, Bruce Springsteen uses Lindsey's old chestnut and lets the crowd join in.

http://www.backstreets.com/Assets/Images/tour031708b.jpg

I have never been to a Springsteen concert, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is the first time he's done it. The next time Lindsey tours, if some writer says that he is mimicking Springsteen when he lets the audience play his guitar, I will SCREAM.

Michele

[chiliD]

Get real, people. Springsteen's been doing that schtick since before Buckingham ever released an album; much less before Buckingham ever THOUGHT of relating to somebody besides himself...like...an audience?!? What a novel concept, Lindsey!

[michelej1]

Get real, people. Springsteen's been doing that schtick since before Buckingham ever released an album; much less before Buckingham ever THOUGHT of relating to somebody besides himself...like...an audience?!? What a novel concept, Lindsey!

Well, if Lindsey has a girl (who looks like Courtney Cox) jump up on the stage and start dancing with him, then I'll believe you. Not until.

Of course, Lindsey was relating to audiences since way back on the BN boots.

Michele

[JbbyStew86]

i dont know guys, i saw bruce about ten years ago on his e-united tour and he did that very same thing. and if you look at one of the five album sleeves on his Live 75-85 set, youll see another picture just like it. looks like two equally powerful artists had that same idea!

[chiliD]

Well, if Lindsey has a girl (who looks like Courtney Cox) jump up on the stage and start dancing with him, then I'll believe you. Not until.

Of course, Lindsey was relating to audiences since way back on the BN boots.

Michele

Talking to an audience and relating to an audience are not even close to being synonymous.

And, don't give me this "equally powerful" crap. Springsteen is so far beyond Buckingham in "powerful artist"...UGH! I'm so pissed I can't finish the sentence.

[Peestie]

Why can't they be equally powerful? Springsteen does nothing for me so I don't find him at all powerful. I don't dislike his music but I don't see him as a "powerful" artist at all. Popular and worthy of respect, certainly. How are we defining "power" when it comes to artistry because surely it will be a completely subjective definition? Is it how much emotion they create in their audience or how much they project when performing? Is it how much clout they have in the music business? Or maybe it's one of a million different things but I just don't see why you think it's such an outrageous statement because it's hardly to be unexpected in the Lindsey Buckingham fan section of a FM board.

[If I'm coming across as pissy here then blame Physics, nothing personal.]

[michelej1]

Talking to an audience and relating to an audience are not even close to being synonymous.

And, don't give me this "equally powerful" crap. Springsteen is so far beyond Buckingham in "powerful artist"...UGH! I'm so pissed I can't finish the sentence.

I'd say talking to an audience in a way that makes them feel you're surprised and grateful that they came and pleased and eager to be sharing the music with them is relating to them. Now, I never saw BN perform, but that's the vibe I get from the boots.

As far as Springsteen and Buckingham not being equally powerful, we agree completely. I think one is definitely more powerful than the other.

Michele

[BTFLCHLD]

don't be mad chilid...this is too cute not to post again... :p

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do we have video of BS providing chestnuts..it is hard to tell how they are relating from the still provided...for me anyway. :shrug:

[Stew_Matthews]

Not to be out done on his latest tour, Bruce Springsteen uses Lindsey's old chestnut and lets the crowd join in.

http://www.backstreets.com/Assets/Images/tour031708b.jpg

Yeah Springsteen has done this for years. He also also taken popular album tracks and played them solo and acoustically in concert for years and years.

Lindsey in my view is a better musician - far more creative and innovative but live and on stage - there isn't anybody who can come close to Springsteen imo.

[Madness Fades]

Well im going to see him in the RDS on Sunday Night In Dublin and I cant wait. The gates open at 5 and the show is at 7.30 so im gonna make sure im right up at the front. As far as i know he is staying in the four seasons so i will be landing over for the after party hopefully.

[Sahara]

Best of luck Madness, I have some buddies going to the gig and they're really looking forward to it! Let us know how you get on.

By the way, how do you guys find out where the bands are staying...?

[Nico]

And, don't give me this "equally powerful" crap. Springsteen is so far beyond Buckingham in "powerful artist"...UGH! I'm so pissed I can't finish the sentence.

"Powerful" can mean different things for different people. I believe that a musician's power, whether that be their songwriting, singing, stage performances, or charisma, is only as deep as it resonates to you, the listener. So in that sense, just because Lindsey Buckingham isn't on the scale of Bruce in terms or popularity, prolificness, lyrical ingenuity, he still has a great deal to measure up to Bruce with in other ways, and saying "equally powerful" may sound ridiculous but actually makes sense to me.

That being said, Bruce is a BRILLIANT live performer for sure. I love his music and think he seems like a very grounded, humble man. I really don't want to compare either, but I certainly feel like defending Lindsey in this case- he's far too underrated and "unknown" for his own good sometimes.

[trackaghost]

I prefer Lindsey to Springsteen but when it comes to relating to audiences, Bruce has that sussed in a way I've never seen Lindsey manage. If Lindsey was so tune with his audience then I don't undserstand his reliance on rehearsed speeches, which I thought was something he only started on the Dance tour until I started to listen to bootlegs and discovered it went back to the '70s.
I've been to hundreds of gigs in my life and seen some truly incredible bands and performers and I have to say, Springsteen is in a league of his own. He really is. Every show is unique, passionate and rousing for the audience. Honestly, I love Lindsey to bits, he'll always be my favourite, but the way Springsteen can build excitement in an audience is miles ahead of Lindsey.

[Madness Fades]

Springsteen Concert was Very Good, Totally packed out for the third and final night in Dublin. Bruce Played for 3 Hours and played a few of the oldies too which was good. He was staying in the Merrion Hotel by the way and not the Four Seasons.

In my eyes Lindsey is way better, no question. He's much more talented and gifted. Springsteen had up to ten people at a time on the stage to get through the songs.

I enjoyed the show I'd give it 7.5/10, there could have been more crowd interaction and it definately didnt need to be 3 hours long.

And yes he let the crowd play his guitar, yes he pulled some kid up onto the stage and yes he rambled on about how America is not what it used to be.

Neither is Ireland, Mind you 1 Euro and 45 cents per liter of Deisel today. Double that of last year. Thats about $9 a litre..ish, sorry im moaning but its about 70 mile down to dublin and you cann feel the pinch these days.

[michelej1]

And yes he let the crowd play his guitar, yes he pulled some kid up onto the stage and yes he rambled on about how America is not what it used to be.

Neither is Ireland, Mind you 1 Euro and 45 cents per liter of Deisel today. Double that of last year. Thats about $9 a litre..ish, sorry im moaning but its about 70 mile down to dublin and you cann feel the pinch these days.

Even with the exchange rate, 1 Euro and 45 cents is still a lot cheaper than what we pay for our gas. Also, diesel used to be cheaper than regular fuel for decades and now it's higher. So, Springsteen can leave the country and say America is not what it used to be without being boycotted like Natalie Maines, huh? America has changed then -- which is good.

I have three Springsteen albums, but I never did try to see him in concert. Due to the snippets I hear during Conan O'Brien, I'd be much more eager to see Max headline a show than The Boss.

Michele

[michelej1]

If Lindsey was so tune with his audience then I don't undserstand his reliance on rehearsed speeches, which I thought was something he only started on the Dance tour until I started to listen to bootlegs and discovered it went back to the '70s.


I saw a couple of Tusk shows and a couple of Mirage shows and I didn't have any boots back then, not until the nineties. Around the eighties, other than the albums, that's the only experience I had with FM. I didn't think any of the band members related that personally to the audience (not even Stevie), but that's because there were a number of them and a lot of songs to sing. Lindsey did some song introductions, but they didn't seem rehearsed. They were rather pedestrian.

Later, hearing the few BN boots we have now, I thought the exchanges with the audience sounded more intimate and kind of humble and happy.

During the OOTC tour, I thought Lindsey related much more to the audience, even though I noticed then that the "banter" was repeated from show to show. It still seemed pretty warm, especially when something went wrong technically, which forced improvisation.

With The Dance, SYW and UTS the speeches got more elaborate and stilted and pretty strained at the FM shows. However, with UTS even with the speeches, with the audience yelling things to him and Lindsey responding, sometimes quite humorously, I still felt it was almost wildly spontaneous -- Gods on Mt. Olympus and all. It got to the point where once I saw him stop the show and go and whisper into a girl's ear, because she moaned after he didn't choose her song request.

I don't know how he compares to Springsteen, because I haven't seen Springsteen live, only on video. But I was impressed with Lindsey's audience interaction. And I'm not even talking about the guitar-strumming, because I never do that. I like the eye contact, and the pointing, and the little smiles and the little asides, like he's responding to specific people -- even if he really isn't.

Michele

[Nico]

Lindsey was very personable and humorous on his last tour, and I can vouch for that since I saw him 6 times, lol! He totally recognized people (including myself) and when I met him he was just...wonderful. Completely humble, kind, and accommodating. I think he's an incredibly powerful presence on stage, with a band or without.

[David]

I prefer Lindsey to Springsteen but when it comes to relating to audiences, Bruce has that sussed in a way I've never seen Lindsey manage.It's hard to compare the two (at least in their heyday) because they're so hugely different in terms of their styles & effects. But Bruce is a concert legend who bows to no one in rock, especially on vast scales (as when he sold out several nights at the Coliseum in L.A. in 1985 & left 90,000 people each night on a natural high).

To me, Lindsey's heyday as a performer (twenty-five to thirty years ago) is marked by power & command & exuberance so infectious that it was like a highland fling, but Springsteen the performer has built empires & carved his name on the marble steps to Parnassus. He is incomparable.

He's also one of rock's greatest songwriters. Lindsey's talents are (or were) on a more intimate scale. He's a pop-tale fabulist & miniaturist & arranger par excellence, while Springsteen is a bard -- what Hugh Downs on 20/20 once called America's modern-day Whitman.

It's like trying to compare Satie with Beethoven.

[Tango]

Help me out with the conversion of costs; isn't a liter of gas is equal to a bit more than 0.25 gallons? (a bit more than a quart) Ireland is definitely being hit by hefty prices, too. We're just catching up.

[Madness Fades]

Help me out with the conversion of costs; isn't a liter of gas is equal to a bit more than 0.25 gallons? (a bit more than a quart) Ireland is definitely being hit by hefty prices, too. We're just catching up.

Yeah I dunno what way Michelej1 has counted that up. We are paying the Equivalent of $2.20 per .025 Gallon

[michelej1]

Ok, I read liter, but I didn't think liter. I never imagined liter in terms of gas. I just think, you know, like a liter of Pepsi!

So, per gallon, it seems like we are paying half what you are paying for Diesel. I thought we had it bad.

Michele

[Gazza]

Springsteen is obviously one of the great performers of all time. His shows are legendary.

Having said that, there's a power that Lindsey has when he performs something like Go Insane that I've never seen Bruce pull off when he goes out there on his own.

As for all this "artist" nonsense. I really couldn't care less if Bruce Springsteen writes songs about real people and real lives and all the rest of it. I like songs like "Prove It All Night" or "Dancing In The Dark" because they're catchy. He's no more an artist to me because he goes on "Vote For Change" tours or has any political or cultural significance. And Lindsey is no more an artist to me because he talks like a pretentious modern art student half of the time. Nor is Bob Dylan any greater to me because he was who so many involved in the civil rights movement were listening to. I just happen to like a lot of his songs. Rarely know what he's going on about though. I don't think Springsteen has written that many great songs anyway. I like more Mac songs than I do Springsteen songs.

But on the original point... Springsteen was clearly letting the audience play his guitar long before Lindsey.

[Tango]

Ok, I read liter, but I didn't think liter. I never imagined liter in terms of gas. I just think, you know, like a liter of Pepsi!

So, per gallon, it seems like we are paying half what you are paying for Diesel. I thought we had it bad.

Michele

There's 4 quarts in a gallon, so it's much worse in Ireland. I have been reading that parts of Europe pay much more than we do. Having people on The Ledge share their cost factors makes it real.

[michelej1]

There's 4 quarts in a gallon, so it's much worse in Ireland. I have been reading that parts of Europe pay much more than we do. Having people on The Ledge share their cost factors makes it real.


Yes, the way I figured it, if it's $2.20 per liter, then it's over $8 a gallon.

Michele

[Madness Fades]

Well I know this is way off topic however just for comparisons sake ::
In Ireland

Decent Meal for 2 and Bottle of Wine = £100, thats $200
Fill up of Petrol £70, Thats $140
Ordinary Shirt for Wearing out £40, = $80
Standard 3 bedroom semi detached house £230,000 = $460,000 (thats not even in the big cities)
Mortgage Interest Rate 5%, USA its something like 2.5%
Saturday Night out in clubs with mates £80 each, thats $160
1 pint of beer £2.90 thats near $5 a pint
1x Springsteen concert ticket £80 = $160
1 pint of milk 56p = 1 Dollar 12 cents
Electricity up 25% from Last Year
Oil Heating up 50% from Last year
All Food up 12.5% from last year
Car Insurance up 10%

For everything else there's Mastercard