Did Christine ever write about Stevie?

[bellagypsy79]

I know that all the members wrote constantly about eachother, and Stevie wrote a few songs about Christine, but everyone focuses on Buckingham Nicks and what songs they wrote to eachother, but did Christine ever write any songs about Stevie and their friendship? :shrug:

[michelej1]

She has sometimes said that Songbird was for all of them, but she never said any song was specifically about Stevie, as far as I know.

Michele

[Chrislit18]

I know that all the members wrote constantly about eachother, and Stevie wrote a few songs about Christine, but everyone focuses on Buckingham Nicks and what songs they wrote to eachother, but did Christine ever write any songs about Stevie and their friendship? :shrug:
The only one I ever knew was for Chris was Think About It :shrug:

I don't really think any of Christines songs were about Stevie though. I couldn't make the connection at least.

[Sahara]

A friend and I once discussed the possibility that the lyrics of Say You Will could apply to Christine and how she wouldn't get involved with a new album. "If I can't get you to Dance...." etc.

But as for Christine writing about Stevie, there's nothing I can think of.

[michelej1]

A friend and I once discussed the possibility that the lyrics of Say You Will could apply to Christine and how she wouldn't get involved with a new album. "If I can't get you to Dance...." etc.



Everything about SYW reminds me of Christine, from the lyrics to the title (which makes me think of Say You Love Me) and I also like to grasp onto the words "dance" and "got a hold" because I'm a little desperate.:laugh:

But I guess it's just wishful thinking. If Stevie was consciously thinking of Chris I think she would have mentioned it, like when she talked about Arturo Sandoval, I think she would have thrown Chris in there too.

Michele

[bucklind17]

Though probably not specifically about Stevie, I always thought it was pretty clear that "All Over Again" was about Christine's feelings toward the band as a whole and the experiences that came along with being a part of it for all those years. She does address a "you" in the song, but I think it's just as much all of the band members as any specific one.

[CADreaming]

A friend and I once discussed the possibility that the lyrics of Say You Will could apply to Christine and how she wouldn't get involved with a new album. "If I can't get you to Dance...." etc.



The lyric is "if I can get you to dance". I've also thought about Christine on that but as Stevie does, it also about the lurve relationship. I thought it was interesting that in the SYW shows, she and LB did a little dance.... :)

I think Songbird may have references to all of them for sure. I always think of SnL when I hear "and the songbirds are singing like they know the score". It makes me think of Christine referring to she and John's breakup and how SnL can relate because of their own issues. But, that's just a guess.

[David]

I suppose "You Make Loving Fun" was a little bit about Stevie ...?
:shrug: :confused: :cool:

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[StevieAteMyCat]

I like to believe that an unknown Stevie haunted the dreams of Christine McVie, who wrote "Remember Me" in the hopes of this enchanted mystery woman visiting her again in a more reality-based world. To me, just about all of Christine's songs sound like they're about current or former love interests. Why did Stevie write "Think About It"? Is it just about the McVie marriage disintegration or did Chris want to leave the band?

[Sahara]

The lyric is "if I can get you to dance". I've also thought about Christine on that but as Stevie does, it also about the lurve relationship. I thought it was interesting that in the SYW shows, she and LB did a little dance.... :)


Seriously? *doublechecks* Oh wow, I've had it wrong all this time... But "can" doesn't make that much sense! Oh, hang on. This is Stevie Nicks we're talkng about. :rolleyes:

[CADreaming]

Seriously? *doublechecks* Oh wow, I've had it wrong all this time... But "can" doesn't make that much sense! Oh, hang on. This is Stevie Nicks we're talkng about. :rolleyes:

LOL! I sing it "can't" all the time and then try to correct myself. I like the word "can" instead of "can't" - it's more positive, it just sounds funny. Obviously, she likes to dance and thinks it "heals the wounds"....that's why I thought it was cute they did the whole Tusk dance on the tour. :)

[michelej1]

And Chris said that Little Lies might have been a message to Lindsey, because she sensed he was about to leave the band. Michele

[golddustwoman77]

I believe that I read somewhere that "Friend" on Christine's lastest album was about Stevie. It does fit the situation.

[SteveMacD]

Though probably not specifically about Stevie, I always thought it was pretty clear that "All Over Again" was about Christine's feelings toward the band as a whole and the experiences that came along with being a part of it for all those years. She does address a "you" in the song, but I think it's just as much all of the band members as any specific one.

I've always thought it was more specifically for Mick and John (considering they pretty much kept that band going for 25 years). It was her notice that she was leaving the band, but that she still loved them (Mick and John).

[michelej1]

I've always thought it was more specifically for Mick and John (considering they pretty much kept that band going for 25 years).

Yes, if I think it's about any member of FM I think it's John.

Michele

[louielouie2000]

Stevie's song "Touched By An Angel" is most certainly about Christine. Christine is the "someone standing at the side of the stage, not standing in the shadows I see her face. Glowing in the darkness in her in her own angel ways" :lol:. That's really one of my very favorite Stevie songs... and one of the neatest songs that any of the band members have written about the band itself.

On the other hand, I just can't point to any one single song of Christine's and say it's about Fleetwood Mac or Stevie.:shrug: I've never heard of "Friend" being about Stevie. It's an intriguing thought... especially with all the moon, planets, and mysticism references. I guess I always figured that song was about a failed relationship. :shrug:

[Villavic]

Stevie does like to write about her friends, loves, or experiences. Christine has written about Mick (Oh Daddy), John (Don't Stop), a lover (YMLF), Wilson (Hold me).. but it's not a rule, she is more like a storyteller, or so I read. Songbird is for anybody and nobody, and I guess most of her songs are.

I wish there would be a song about Stevie. It would be interesting to read what she wrote (depends on the year, of course, ha haaa)

[Gailh]

Only Over You was supposedly about Dennis Wilson and You Make Lovin Fun was about Curry Grant. Oh Daddy was supposedly about Mick but I can't see how and Don't Stop was for John.

Someone did say Friend was about Stevie but again I can't see how. I always thought it was about missing friends in L.A. after she moved to England

I don't think she's ever written a song about or for Stevie.

Gail

[CADreaming]

but I can't see how and Don't Stop was for John.


I read it was for John at their breakup, encouraging him to look forward to his future by saying "don't you look back" on the past...

Here's something I found:

"Don't Stop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Stop_%28Fleetwood_Mac_song%29)" reflects Christine's feelings after her separation from John McVie. "Don't Stop was just a feeling. It just seemed to be a pleasant revelation to have that 'yesterday's gone,'" Christine remembers in The Fleetwood Mac Story: Rumours and Lies, "It might have, I guess, been directed more toward John, but I'm just definitely not a pessimist."

[louielouie2000]

Sans "Don't Stop," I tend to believe what Carole Ann Harris says in her book "Storms"... that all of Christine's songs from "Rumours" were about her lover at the time (and Fleetwood Mac lighting director) Curry Grant. I have never believed "Oh Daddy" was about Mick, and have never believed "Songbird" was for 'everyone.' Oh Daddy is clearly about a lover, and Songbird is obviously about one person in particular. Though I don't take every word Carol Ann says for gospel, I think she nailed it in regards to Christine's Rumours songs. Plus she should know... she was there. She knew the members of Fleetwood Mac personally for 8 years at the height of their fame.

[AliceLover]

Only Over You was supposedly about Dennis Wilson and You Make Lovin Fun was about Curry Grant. Oh Daddy was supposedly about Mick but I can't see how and Don't Stop was for John.

Someone did say Friend was about Stevie but again I can't see how. I always thought it was about missing friends in L.A. after she moved to England

I don't think she's ever written a song about or for Stevie.

Gail

Was Curry Grant the lighting director for their live set? I always thought You Make Loving Fun was about John Courage.

[Gailh]

Was Curry Grant the lighting director for their live set? I always thought You Make Loving Fun was about John Courage.

Christine has said herself that YMLF was about Curry

Gail

[AliceLover]

Christine has said herself that YMLF was about Curry

Gail

Ahh ok, good to know that now. I remember reading an article about the Rumours recording process. It was like a 6 page thing on Stevie-Nicks.info and they went through each song.

[macfan 57]

Only Over You was supposedly about Dennis Wilson and You Make Lovin Fun was about Curry Grant. Oh Daddy was supposedly about Mick but I can't see how and Don't Stop was for John.

Someone did say Friend was about Stevie but again I can't see how. I always thought it was about missing friends in L.A. after she moved to England

I don't think she's ever written a song about or for Stevie.

Gail

Chris has said that "Oh Daddy" was loosely based on Mick & his wife, Jenny. She did say at that 1993 Clinton inauguration press conference that she wrote "Don't Stop" for John.

I think the only people who have said that "Friend" was about Stevie are those Stevie fans on internet message boards. Chris said that most of her ITM songs were about her failed relationship with an unknown lover in England. I have a feeling you're right about it being about friends back in L.A. after she moved back home.

By the way, "Ask Anybody" was about Dennis Wilson.

[CADreaming]

I think the only people who have said that "Friend" was about Stevie are those Stevie fans on internet message boards. Chris said that most of her ITM songs were about her failed relationship with an unknown lover in England. I have a feeling you're right about it being about friends back in L.A. after she moved back home.



When I went to her site to play a clip and it opened in WMP, a cover for a Greatest Hits with a release date of 1997 popped up - is "Friend" that old?

[michelej1]

Sans "Don't Stop," I tend to believe what Carole Ann Harris says in her book "Storms"... that all of Christine's songs from "Rumours" were about her lover at the time (and Fleetwood Mac lighting director) Curry Grant.

As CAH lived with Lindsey and talked to him every day, I can see how she is qualified to say who his songs are about, but I don't think she has any idea who Chris' songs are about. I don't think Chris spent a lot of time confiding in her and Storms doesn't indicate that she did.

I think Curry was fun for Christine. And by that I mean light fun, a distraction, a diversion from deeper love relationships that were painful. I may be placing my opinion too much on the Tusk video footage where she kind of mused to herself about whether or not she was in love, but I just don't get the feeling that she was invested enough in Curry to write things about not being able to walk away from him even if she tried. He gave her respite from heartbreak. I think her feelings for him were much more casual than that and that it was relatively easy for her to walk away from him. So, I never thought Songbird or Oh Daddy were about him and I accept that Don't Stop is about John. He talks about it being about him and I don't think Chris was just humoring him there.

Michele

[Villavic]

Christine confirmed at the "Making the Rumours album" video in 1997, that Oh Daddy was about Mick, Don't Stop about John and her divorce, ang Songbird for "nobody and anybody.." or so I recall

I remember Mick said in his book that Hold me was about Dennis Wilson, he didn't mention Only over you

[Chrislit18]

Christine confirmed at the "Making the Rumours album" video in 1997, that Oh Daddy was about Mick, Don't Stop about John and her divorce, ang Songbird for "nobody and anybody.." or so I recall

I remember Mick said in his book that Hold me was about Dennis Wilson, he didn't mention Only over you
I know in the mirage album sleeve/cd pamphlet thing it says something about Dennis Wilson in the credits of Only Over You.

[Gailh]

Chris has said that "Oh Daddy" was loosely based on Mick & his wife, Jenny. She did say at that 1993 Clinton inauguration press conference that she wrote "Don't Stop" for John.

I think the only people who have said that "Friend" was about Stevie are those Stevie fans on internet message boards. Chris said that most of her ITM songs were about her failed relationship with an unknown lover in England. I have a feeling you're right about it being about friends back in L.A. after she moved back home.

By the way, "Ask Anybody" was about Dennis Wilson.

In terms of Oh Daddy I just don't think that the words sounds like they're about Mick & Jenny but if the Tea Lady says so then who am I to argue? :laugh:

I can see how Ask anybody would be about Dennis Wilson. "Somehow, someday he'll change and we'll try it all over again" - have I got the right song?

Gail

[michelej1]

In terms of Oh Daddy I just don't think that the words sounds like they're about Mick & Jenny but if the Tea Lady says so then who am I to argue? :laugh:



Well, maybe just different parts of it are about him, like the word "Daddy" and well . . . that's it. I don't think the why are you so right and I'm so wrong sounds like Mick, but he probably thinks it does:laugh:. Guess he thinks that fits him to a tee.

Michele

[David]

Well, maybe just different parts of it are about him, like the word "Daddy" and well . . . that's it. I don't think the why are you so right and I'm so wrong sounds like Mick, but he probably thinks it does:laugh:. Guess he thinks that fits him to a tee.

MicheleDidn't Christine say (or mean) that "Oh Daddy" was about Mick & Jenny, but not from Christine's perspective? So maybe the "I" of the beholder is Mick or Jenny -- or another mysterious observer.
(shivers) :shocked:

It's kind of like the way that I think "Silver Girl" is about Sheryl Crow, but only by way of the nominal "I" of Sheryl's lover, who is himself being observed by his sister-in-law once-removed, via marriage (& abrupt divorce) to Aunt Tessy. Sheryl's cousin's best friend's Aunt Tessy, that is.

[michelej1]

Didn't Christine say (or mean) that "Oh Daddy" was about Mick & Jenny, but not from Christine's perspective? So maybe the "I" of the beholder is Mick or Jenny -- or another mysterious observer.
(shivers) :shocked:



Yeah, maybe it's from the perspective of Mick's daughter talking to her dad. That's the ticket!


It's kind of like the way that I think "Silver Girl" is about Sheryl Crow, but only by way of the nominal "I" of Sheryl's lover, who is himself being observed by his sister-in-law once-removed, via marriage (& abrupt divorce) to Aunt Tessy. Sheryl's cousin's best friend's Aunt Tessy, that is.

Ok and what's up with the use of both "you" and "he" in Thrown Down? It distressed Lindscrafter and, by extension, me (or she). Michele

[macfan 57]

I can see how Ask anybody would be about Dennis Wilson. "Somehow, someday he'll change and we'll try it all over again" - have I got the right song?

Gail

Yes, that's the song.:) She specifically mentioned the lyrics, "He's a devil & and an angel" as being about Dennis.

[vivfox]

Yes, that's the song.:) She specifically mentioned the lyrics, "He's a devil & and an angel" as being about Dennis.

It's a devils disguise
angel in black
and I recognize the face
behind the mask


Is this about Dennis too?

[CADreaming]

As CAH lived with Lindsey and talked to him every day, I can see how she is qualified to say who his songs are about, but I don't think she has any idea who Chris' songs are about. I don't think Chris spent a lot of time confiding in her and Storms doesn't indicate that she did.

Well, I wouldn't really trust CAH or her book to be very accurate for information on anything. Although, there were a couple of very amusing anecdotes...

[LiamMcConville]

Songs that are obviously and completely about Stevie:

-You Make Lovin' Fun (It's all she wants to do!)

-Hold Me (Stick your hand inside of my glove obviously referencing lesbian foreplay.)

-Got a Hold On Me ("I've got a feelin' it'll work out right." Reference to Stevie's obsession with health and fitness.)

-Skies the Limit (Clearly an ode to Rhiannon, "and when the sky is starless.")

-Love In Store (Margi Kent's store that is, where their first "encounter" took place.)

-Only Over You ("People think I'm crazy, but they don't know [THAT I'M A LESBIAN.]")

-Wish You Were Here (Holds so much meaning to Christine regarding Stevie that she stole the intro to Silver Springs for it.)

-Songbird ("Singing like they know the score" obviously a reference to Stevie's orgasm noises, also said to sound like a white winged dove singing ooooo, baby, oooo, said oooo.)

-Oh Daddy (Christine's secret nickname for Stevie in the sack.)

-Everywhere (Self explanatory, Christine wants to be with Stevie everywhere, except for tours and in America.)

-Little Lies (Keeping your sexuality is kind of a big lie, but apparently Christine doesn't think so.)

-Say You Love Me (Rewritten because SCREAM MY NAME STEVIE wouldn't go over so well with commercial audiences.)

-Over My Head (Completely reference to where Stevie's ankle's go.)

[michelej1]

It's a devils disguise
angel in black
and I recognize the face
behind the mask


Is this about Dennis too?

I don't know, but remember that article that said the original title of the song was "Devil in White," if that offers any clues.

Michele

[macfan 57]

It's a devils disguise
angel in black
and I recognize the face
behind the mask


Is this about Dennis too?

I doubt it. In an interview, she mentioned that "Behind The Mask" was about a guy who was a creep(her words), so I doubt it was about DW.

[Chrislit18]

-Wish You Were Here (Holds so much meaning to Christine regarding Stevie that she stole the intro to Silver Springs for it.)

I actually notice that more from The Dance than the Rumours version.
serioulsy this has nothing to do with this thread, but I always thought I was the only one who noticed that. :laugh:

[David]

Yeah, maybe it's from the perspective of Mick's daughter talking to her dad. That's the ticket!No, no, you're reductio ad absurding it. I just mean that the subject of the song (whether it's 1st, 2nd or 3rd person) isn't necessarily the writer. Chris herself has said as much about her own songwriting. See her 1984 BAM article. See it now!!

Or maybe it's her 1984 Performing Songwriter interview .... :confused: :wavey:

[jbrownsjr]

No, no, you're reductio ad absurding it. I just mean that the subject of the song (whether it's 1st, 2nd or 3rd person) isn't necessarily the writer. Chris herself has said as much about her own songwriting. See her 1984 BAM article. See it now!!

Or maybe it's her 1984 Performing Songwriter interview .... :confused: :wavey:

HIEL DAVID!!

[jbrownsjr]

Songs that are obviously and completely about Stevie:

-You Make Lovin' Fun (It's all she wants to do!)

-Hold Me (Stick your hand inside of my glove obviously referencing lesbian foreplay.)

-Got a Hold On Me ("I've got a feelin' it'll work out right." Reference to Stevie's obsession with health and fitness.)

-Skies the Limit (Clearly an ode to Rhiannon, "and when the sky is starless.")

-Love In Store (Margi Kent's store that is, where their first "encounter" took place.)

-Only Over You ("People think I'm crazy, but they don't know [THAT I'M A LESBIAN.]")

-Wish You Were Here (Holds so much meaning to Christine regarding Stevie that she stole the intro to Silver Springs for it.)

-Songbird ("Singing like they know the score" obviously a reference to Stevie's orgasm noises, also said to sound like a white winged dove singing ooooo, baby, oooo, said oooo.)

-Oh Daddy (Christine's secret nickname for Stevie in the sack.)

-Everywhere (Self explanatory, Christine wants to be with Stevie everywhere, except for tours and in America.)

-Little Lies (Keeping your sexuality is kind of a big lie, but apparently Christine doesn't think so.)

-Say You Love Me (Rewritten because SCREAM MY NAME STEVIE wouldn't go over so well with commercial audiences.)

-Over My Head (Completely reference to where Stevie's ankle's go.)


hahahahahahaha!!!! thank u for that!

[michelej1]

No, no, you're reductio ad absurding it. I just mean that the subject of the song (whether it's 1st, 2nd or 3rd person) isn't necessarily the writer.

That's a given. Even with Stevie's writing, which is often discussed as if it's about her, I often think of the subject as a protagonist, a character, which may or may not be the songwriter.

Stevie once said she thought it was the same Sara in welcome to the room as in the other song and sometimes I think like that too. Today I was saying, that I believe the "how still my love" in EO17 is part of the same conversation as HSML, same woman haunting (or taunting) the same man's dreams. Whether that woman is actually Stevie or not is immaterial, because even if it is Stevie, you're getting different aspects or facets of her in different songs, different characters even if they have the same source and creator.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if some lines of Oh Daddy are about Chris's relationship with Mick as band leader and others could be about Mick and Jenny and others could be just telling the story of a difficult love relationship, as a life observation that's not specific to any one person.

Michele