Peter Green interview

[Ms Moose]

I have just discovered two clips on Youtube from somebody called maartjepietje. They are from a documentary about early Fleetwood Mac, but unfortunately the name of it is not mentioned. One clip (called Early Fleetwood Mac) is about 9 minutes and the other one (called Peter Green)about 2,5 minutes. The first one has a short filmed interview at the end with Peter Green from around 1988. The other one an interview with Peter with pictures from when he lived in Richmond - also the eighties I think. There is no new live footage, but some pictures that I haven't seen before.

I am writing this in detail because I can't attach them at the moment. I need to find out how to do it (just tried and failed).

[Ms Moose]

Here it is (at last):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM2bGKBX2ZU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFRtzI47x-U

Ms Moose

[wetcamelfood]

Both are from a 1988 British TV doc called "Fleetwood Mac At 21".

I've been looking for an upgrade of this so let me know if you come across the whole 60 minutes of it posted somewhere so I can D/L. :)

John

[mzero]

Here it is (at last):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM2bGKBX2ZU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFRtzI47x-U

Ms Moose

mm - thanks for posting this. it was gone by the time i got to following the link. the poster closed their account, so both had vanished.

however i ran across this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBSnwi94ANQ&feature=related

which is claimed to be 'homework' 1968 live in france. it's definitely homework and definitely live.

also a fragment of pete in orkney with the the bb allstars doing black magic woman. its ragged...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3Jd_88BCNY

solos are traded, pete plays the first quietly in a typical low key splinter group approach, then there is louder solo by unidentified. then wait for the 3rd, the break right before pete starts singing again, near the end of the clip, a very close take on the original release solo, played in a different tone. that's pete playing that, right?

zero

[sharksfan2000]

however i ran across this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBSnwi94ANQ&feature=related

which is claimed to be 'homework' 1968 live in france. it's definitely homework and definitely live.
That's a great clip, and it is indeed from France. The band recorded it live in Paris for the French TV show "Surprise Party". Christopher Hjort's "Strange Brew" book dates the taping as being done on 27 November 1968. The show was broadcast on New Year's Eve. The band also performed "My Baby's Sweet" and "Please Find My Baby" (sometimes incorrectly listed as "Dust My Broom"), both numbers led by Jeremy Spencer. Those two clips can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78yGkkufpq8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpxUlxUwB2k

[mzero]

That's a great clip, and it is indeed from France. The band recorded it live in Paris for the French TV show "Surprise Party". Christopher Hjort's "Strange Brew" book dates the taping as being done on 27 November 1968. The show was broadcast on New Year's Eve. The band also performed "My Baby's Sweet" and "Please Find My Baby" (sometimes incorrectly listed as "Dust My Broom"), both numbers led by Jeremy Spencer. Those two clips can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78yGkkufpq8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpxUlxUwB2k

sf2k- oh my goodness! jeremy spencer! great, great clips.

i hadn't seen either of these. thanks for the links and the background. i notice from the pr forum that you grew up in the bay area. so you really are a sharks fan.

zero - 10 in 68

[sharksfan2000]

i notice from the pr forum that you grew up in the bay area. so you really are a sharks fan.
I am, but they keep disappointing me year after year! :(

[Ms Moose]

mm - thanks for posting this. it was gone by the time i got to following the link. the poster closed their account, so both had vanished.

That's a pity. Maybe they will be put back on again. That happenes sometimes.

Ms Moose

[Ms Moose]

solos are traded, pete plays the first quietly in a typical low key splinter group approach, then there is louder solo by unidentified. then wait for the 3rd, the break right before pete starts singing again, near the end of the clip, a very close take on the original release solo, played in a different tone. that's pete playing that, right?

zero

Yes, it looks and sounds like Peter Green is playing it, but it is more subdued and less powerfull than the original.

Ms Moose

[mzero]

Yes, it looks and sounds like Peter Green is playing it, but it is more subdued and less powerfull than the original.

Ms Moose

ms moose- thanks for confirming.

it is a loose take, and his voice doesn't sound strong or clear, so i can understand why some of the youtube comments on the clip are to the effect that 'he's lost it.'

but when i listen to him play i hear someone capable of, well, tossing off the original solo from black magic woman if he happens to be in the mood. that he's not playing an out of phase les paul, at less than half the volume and has altered the phrasing makes it seem subdued and less powerful, but i don't know that it is exactly that.

i've heard a lot of splinter group renditions of black magic woman and nigel always played the solo. every time the thought creeps in, well maybe he really can't do it anymore. of course a song or two later pete would do something like play 'the stumble' or 'the supernatural' better than his mayall versions and i'd wiseup. so, even though this is a shambling pick-up band performance of black magic woman, i kind of think that he hasn't lost it at all.

zero

[Ms Moose]

ms moose- thanks for confirming.

it is a loose take, and his voice doesn't sound strong or clear, so i can understand why some of the youtube comments on the clip are to the effect that 'he's lost it.'

but when i listen to him play i hear someone capable of, well, tossing off the original solo from black magic woman if he happens to be in the mood. that he's not playing an out of phase les paul, at less than half the volume and has altered the phrasing makes it seem subdued and less powerful, but i don't know that it is exactly that.

i've heard a lot of splinter group renditions of black magic woman and nigel always played the solo. every time the thought creeps in, well maybe he really can't do it anymore. of course a song or two later pete would do something like play 'the stumble' or 'the supernatural' better than his mayall versions and i'd wiseup. so, even though this is a shambling pick-up band performance of black magic woman, i kind of think that he hasn't lost it at all.

zero

Yes, I agree with you. The "recording" is very primitive, and his voice sounds as if he hasen't used it for a while. Still his voice has changed a lot since his younger days, but still as soulful and emotionally to the point as ever (not particularly in this take, but on the Splinter Group recordings).

Peter Green is an enigma in many ways, and I think that his playing is a lot about mood, and I think it always has been. It used to sound more mercurial and driven (this is what I mean by powerful) - but his mood - or moodswings are different now (of course - he is not 23 anymore!). Actually I think the same thing has happened to a lot of the so called guitar-heroes - they just got noicy, boring and repetetive - which he never did. "The tone" is still there (or was - as nobody has heard him play for four years).

I only saw Splintergroup once in september 2002, and I felt exactly the same way: "he has lost it...oh, no he hasn't".

His version of The Stumble on You tube (clip from The Splintergoup DVD) is brilliant - and it's gets better with every listen. And how brilliant it is becomes very clear when you compare it to Gary Moore and Mick Taylor's versions. They are very energetic....and boring (I hope I don't offend anyone by writing this).

Ms Moose

[doodyhead]

you did not offend me,

every time i listen to peter's old stuff , I think " Why isn't he singing and playing like that now"

Yet every time I listen to him doing dangerous man, or real world I think that he has just wonderful timing that you can't learn . He has matured and grown in ways we will never know.

Too many artists work too hard in sounding "brilliant" and "snazzy".
Peter knows what it is to "sell" a song and as such is a song interpreter. This is not any different than how they used to sayabout his playing

"saying more with less" This is a great lesson from BB King it could just as well have been from Frank Sinatra or Bobby Darrin

doodyhead

[Ms Moose]

Yes, Doodyhead - you are right: The tone is the thing!

And to Wetcamelfood:

Both are from a 1988 British TV doc called "Fleetwood Mac At 21".

I've been looking for an upgrade of this so let me know if you come across the whole 60 minutes of it posted somewhere so I can D/L. :)

John

I will certainly look for it.
But does anyone else here - some of the expert collectors like Mario for instance - know what has happened to this programme and were to look for it?

Ms Moose

[Mario]

Yes, Doodyhead - you are right: The tone is the thing!

And to Wetcamelfood:



I will certainly look for it.
But does anyone else here - some of the expert collectors like Mario for instance - know what has happened to this programme and were to look for it?

Ms Moose

Well, I can confirm the program "Fleetwood Mac at 21" was screened by BBC back in 1988 and that - thanks to R.Jim Greaves - I saved it to posterity on an old VHS tape.

Peter features on the first part of the story 1967/1970 and in his darkest/long fingernails days in Richmond.I'm also pretty sure that part of that interview is/was available on the Bob Brunning's book "Behind The Mask".

There is also a very short interview, probably from 1980/1981, where a much confused Peter,wearing sort of african clothes, talks about the "different kind of music" he had in mind......

I think that one of the shots taken during that interview ended up to be the picture sleeve of one of the many "Katmandu" LPs/CDs, titled "Guitar Hero"

Stay Green,

Mario

[Ms Moose]

Well, I can confirm the program "Fleetwood Mac at 21" was screened by BBC back in 1988 and that - thanks to R.Jim Greaves - I saved it to posterity on an old VHS tape.

Peter features on the first part of the story 1967/1970 and in his darkest/long fingernails days in Richmond.I'm also pretty sure that part of that interview is/was available on the Bob Brunning's book "Behind The Mask".

There is also a very short interview, probably from 1980/1981, where a much confused Peter,wearing sort of african clothes, talks about the "different kind of music" he had in mind......

I think that one of the shots taken during that interview ended up to be the picture sleeve of one of the many "Katmandu" LPs/CDs, titled "Guitar Hero"

Stay Green,

Mario

Yes, Mario - and thank you very much for saving it for posterity! -that sounds exactly like the bits of film I saw on Youtube. And yes, PG was wearing some kaftan-like blouse with a square neck and short sleeves, that is also on the cover of the Guitar Hero CD.

The film bit from in front of the house in Richmond seemed to me to be from around 1988, but I am not expert enough to be really sure. I must admit that watching it, I found it very wrong to film somebody/anybody (in this case PG) without their knowledge or consent, which was obviously the case here.

I wonder why some clips disappear from Youtube? A while back a clip of PG and Splintergroup from the ninetees - playing a version of Green Manalishi was taken of. It was not the version from the DVD "An Evening with...", and it was very good!:(
I don't quite understand which clips violate copyrights or whatever it is called in the music business, and which one that don't.

Who is this R. Jim Greaves?

Ms Moose

[Mario]

Yes, Mario - and thank you very much for saving it for posterity! -that sounds exactly like the bits of film I saw on Youtube. And yes, PG was wearing some kaftan-like blouse with a square neck and short sleeves, that is also on the cover of the Guitar Hero CD.

The film bit from in front of the house in Richmond seemed to me to be from around 1988, but I am not expert enough to be really sure. I must admit that watching it, I found it very wrong to film somebody/anybody (in this case PG) without their knowledge or consent, which was obviously the case here.

I wonder why some clips disappear from Youtube? A while back a clip of PG and Splintergroup from the ninetees - playing a version of Green Manalishi was taken of. It was not the version from the DVD "An Evening with...", and it was very good!:(
I don't quite understand which clips violate copyrights or whatever it is called in the music business, and which one that don't.

Who is this R. Jim Greaves?

Ms Moose

Ok,
question n.one: I'm pretty sure clips disappear from Youtube for legal reasons;
I don't want to be involved in these delicate stuff, but PGO really rules Greeny's life.

question n.two: R.Jim Greaves is a blues expert and PG fan, who wrote the Greeny Sessionography for the first edition of the Martin Celmins book.

He currently writes for the montly magazine "Blues In Britain" and he is one who would be great to have at the Ledge Board!

Cheers,

Mario.

[Ms Moose]

Ok,
question n.one: I'm pretty sure clips disappear from Youtube for legal reasons;
I don't want to be involved in these delicate stuff, but PGO really rules Greeny's life.

question n.two: R.Jim Greaves is a blues expert and PG fan, who wrote the Greeny Sessionography for the first edition of the Martin Celmins book.

He currently writes for the montly magazine "Blues In Britain" and he is one who would be great to have at the Ledge Board!

Cheers,

Mario.

Off course it might be because of the PGO "thing" in his case. I hadn't thought about that (say no more....):angel:

A lot of effort and knowledge seems to go into those sessionographies, very admirable.:thumbsup:

Thanks for the information about R. Jim Greaves.
I wonder if he knows about The Ledge at all?


Ms Moose

[Ms Moose]

Here is about 9 minutes from Fleetwood Mac at 21 - the Peter Green era - that has just come up on Youtube. There is a very short piece of the aforementioned interview with Peter Green right at the end.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFxqTdeofO0

Unfortunately there are no new music footage, but a very talkative John McVie. Still great that people post these things. Maybe someday something new will turn up - hopefully!

Ms Moose

[dino]

Here is about 9 minutes from Fleetwood Mac at 21 - the Peter Green era - that has just come up on Youtube. There is a very short piece of the aforementioned interview with Peter Green right at the end.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFxqTdeofO0

Unfortunately there are no new music footage, but a very talkative John McVie. Still great that people post these things. Maybe someday something new will turn up - hopefully!

Ms Moose

Thanks for the heads-up!
Peter looks quite together and healthy in that interview from '81,
not like a few years later. He played well in that period too - witness
the "White sky" album and his guest spot on Brian McKnight's album.

Is there an Green interview from '88 in the doc also,
or just footage of him outside the house in Richmond?

[Ms Moose]

Is there an Green interview from '88 in the doc also,
or just footage of him outside the house in Richmond?

I don't think so - but then again I have never seen the whole programme which runs 60 minutes.
Mario has seen the programme so he might know?

Ms Moose

[Wouter Vuijk]

Here is about 9 minutes from Fleetwood Mac at 21 - the Peter Green era - that has just come up on Youtube. There is a very short piece of the aforementioned interview with Peter Green right at the end.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFxqTdeofO0

Unfortunately there are no new music footage, but a very talkative John McVie. Still great that people post these things. Maybe someday something new will turn up - hopefully!

Ms Moose

Thanks, it made me look around a little more and then I discovered....:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpjP9aJ774&feature=related
Fleetwoood Mac with Paul Butterfield at the Caroussel Ballroom. A complete different version from what I have. Did Paul fit in more than once?
Anyway, this version is longer than mine, and has a MUCH better sound quality.
Anymore of this quality from the Ballroom venues???

Wouter

[sharksfan2000]

Wow, this is a great find, Wouter! Must have come from a different night at the Carousel or another set from the same night. Wonder where this audio clip came from?

[zoork_1]

[...]...this version is longer than mine, and has a MUCH better sound quality.
Anymore of this quality from the Ballroom venues???

I believe most of the songs from the last show (1968-06-09?) is of this quality. I think they're on "Helsinki Carousel".......

/z

[Ms Moose]

I believe most of the songs from the last show (1968-06-09?) is of this quality. I think they're on "Helsinki Carousel".......

/z

I am sorry about being a hopeless ignorant :o, but what is "Helsinki Carousel"?

If it is a recording of some sort - where can I buy it?

Ms Moose

[Wouter Vuijk]

I am sorry about being a hopeless ignorant :o, but what is "Helsinki Carousel"?

If it is a recording of some sort - where can I buy it?

Ms Moose

I'm sorry I don't have it :sorry::shrug:. You wouldn't have to buy it from me. Personally I don't feel much for "Ledgies" selling material to each other. Any body want something from me I give it for free, knowing they are as fond as I am for this particular music. Most stuff I got for free as well, although I had to buy some which I could have got for free or just for trade.

BTW I am interested in more information (tracks?) and/or copy of this Helsinki Carousel. :rolleyes:

[Ms Moose]

Thank you very much for the information Wouter. I am rather new to all this, and I didn't know that Ledgies bought material from one another. I have noticed though - from reading the other threads - that sometimes ledgies help others get copies of stuff and they ask for them to send a private mail. I didn't know about the actual transactions.

(I just recieved "Live at the BBC" from Amazon this morning - this is just about the level I am at! - compared to all you hard-core collectors :))

I think you are right though - in principal - if you get something for free yourself, you should also pass it on for free. I would do that myself.:angel: Also you know how much other ledgies appreciate the music - and the is what The Ledge is all about.

Getting to know about all the bootleg concert tapes and being able to download all these concert things is new to me too. And very exciting, because I think Fleetwood Mac were brilliant live. Until now I have two vinyl records that don't seem too official. One is called "London 68" and I think it might be from a gig at Regent Street Polytechnic, London (with some help from Hiorts book), and another one called "Oh Well", which is assorted numbers from different (?) concerts. Absolutely no sleevenotes.

I would of course also be interested in "Helsinki Carousel" - which - I presume, is a specific concert recording - from whatever set - from Carousel Ballroom, San Francisco, june 1968.

There is actually another thread about this specific event in the Pre-rumours section.

Ms Moose

[kowk]

BTW I am interested in more information (tracks?) and/or copy of this Helsinki Carousel. :rolleyes:

Here are some details from http://www.fmlegacy.com/FMunoffalbums.htm:

Helsinki Carousel
Disc One:*
1.Madison Blues
2.My Baby's Gone
3.Skin and Bone
4.Worried Dream
5.I Believe My Time Ain't Long
6.Got To Move
7.Trying So Hard To Forget
8.Jam
9.Have You Ever Loved A Woman
10.Lazy Poker Blues
11.Stop Messin' Round
12.I Love Another Woman
13.I Believe I'll Go Back Home

Disc Two:
1.The Sun Is Shining*
2.Long Tall Sally*
3.Willie and The Hand Jive*
4.Tutti Frutti*
5.Reddy Teddy*
6.Homework+
7.Man Of The World+
8.Like It This Way+
9.Only You+
10.Dust My Broom+
11.Stranger Blues+
12.Got A Mind To Give Up Living+
13.Oh Well+
14.Coming Your Way+
15.Shake Your Moneymaker+
16. Albatross+
17.Great Balls Of Fire+
18.Jenny Jenny+

*All of Disc I and Disc II Tracks 1-5 were recorded at the Carousel Ballroom in San Francisco, June 1968

+Disc II Tracks 6-18 were recorded in Helsinki, Finland in the Spring of 1969


The tracks * are very similiar to tracks you can download from:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=89993

Fleetwood Mac
June 9, 1968 plus another partial set from the same run of shows (June 7 or 8, 1968).
Carousel Ballroom
San Francisco, CA

Excellent stereo soundboard recording

CD#1 60:55
June 9, 1968 first set
01 [cuts in] Madison Blues 4:31
02 My Baby’s Gone 6:00
03 My Baby’s Skinny 4:48
04 Worried Dream 9:57
05 Dust My Broom 4:32
06 Got To Move 3:00
07 Worried Mind 4:41
08 instrumental 10:29
09 Have You Ever Loved A Woman? 7:58
10 Lazy Poker Blues 4:49

CD#2 55:38
June 9, 1968 second set 36:44
01 [cuts in] Stop Messin’ ‘Round [with Paul Butterfield] 2:12
02 I Loved Another Woman [with Paul Butterfield] 7:03
03 I Believe [with Paul Butterfield] 5:17
04 The Sun Is Shining [with Paul Butterfield] 6:27
05 Long Tall Sally [with Paul Butterfield] 4:53
06 Willie & The Hand Jive 4:04
07 > Tuti Frutti 3:02
08 thanks by Peter Green, announcer band intros + crowd noise before encore 0:32
09 Ready Teddy [cut] 3:16

June 7 or 8, 1968 S.F. Carousel Ballroom 18:52
10 [cuts in] I Need Your Love So Bad 1:46
11 I Believe 4:59
12 Shake Your Moneymaker 9:12
13 Ready Teddy 2:30
14 Peter Green says thanks, announcer outro + crowd noise 0:19

Peter Green - guitar, vocals
John McVie - bass
Mick Fleetwood - drums
Jeremy Spencer - guitar, vocals
Paul Butterfield - harp (where noted)

[sharksfan2000]

Thanks for posting all that info, kowk. A 2-disc bootleg of that June '68 Carousel Ballroom show has been around for a number of years, and a boot of the Helsinki show has been around for awhile too. I always assumed the more recent Helsinki Carousel collection was just a combination of tracks from those two earlier boots, but if that version of "I Loved Another Woman" does come from Helsinki Carousel then maybe I was wrong and there are some different tracks on there as well.

There's actually a nice review of Helsinki Carousel by well-known music reviewer Richie Unterberger on this webpage: http://www.richieunterberger.com/summer2004albums.html
Also check out his review of another Mac boot, Dead Bust Blues, from New Orleans in early 1970.

I see that Helsinki Carousel is sold by some places that do sell bootlegs - for example, Saturn Records shows it if you search under "fleetwood mac": http://www.saturnrecords.com/
It may well be available for download from someplace too, I haven't checked.

I don't have Helsinki Carousel myself - are there other Ledgies who might have it who can confirm whether the YouTube clip of "I Loved Another Woman" that Wouter linked to is from Helsinki Carousel? If it isn't, I'd sure like to find out where it did come from!

[Karl-Heinz]

The tracks * are very similiar to tracks you can download from:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=89993

Fleetwood Mac
June 9, 1968 plus another partial set from the same run of shows (June 7 or 8, 1968).
Carousel Ballroom
San Francisco, CA

Excellent stereo soundboard recording

CD#1 60:55
June 9, 1968 first set
01 [cuts in] Madison Blues 4:31
02 My Baby’s Gone 6:00
03 My Baby’s Skinny 4:48
04 Worried Dream 9:57
05 Dust My Broom 4:32
06 Got To Move 3:00
07 Worried Mind 4:41
08 instrumental 10:29
09 Have You Ever Loved A Woman? 7:58
10 Lazy Poker Blues 4:49

CD#2 55:38
June 9, 1968 second set 36:44
01 [cuts in] Stop Messin’ ‘Round [with Paul Butterfield] 2:12
02 I Loved Another Woman [with Paul Butterfield] 7:03
03 I Believe [with Paul Butterfield] 5:17
04 The Sun Is Shining [with Paul Butterfield] 6:27
05 Long Tall Sally [with Paul Butterfield] 4:53
06 Willie & The Hand Jive 4:04
07 > Tuti Frutti 3:02
08 thanks by Peter Green, announcer band intros + crowd noise before encore 0:32
09 Ready Teddy [cut] 3:16

June 7 or 8, 1968 S.F. Carousel Ballroom 18:52
10 [cuts in] I Need Your Love So Bad 1:46
11 I Believe 4:59
12 Shake Your Moneymaker 9:12
13 Ready Teddy 2:30
14 Peter Green says thanks, announcer outro + crowd noise 0:19

Peter Green - guitar, vocals
John McVie - bass
Mick Fleetwood - drums
Jeremy Spencer - guitar, vocals
Paul Butterfield - harp (where noted)

Also available here

http://tela.sugarmegs.org/_asxtela/

[zoork_1]

[...]...I am interested in more information (tracks?) and/or....


Tried to send a message but....

/z