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Livia
12-23-2007, 06:55 PM
The Wild Heart

On the edge of 60, Stevie Nicks still feels rebellious and ready to rock and roll, writes Andrew Gumbel...
Stevie Nicks is telling a story about the first time in her professional career that she felt completely out of control. Strangely, it is not a story about the complex web of fiery love affairs that, on several occasions, threatened to blow her and her Fleetwood Mac band members apart. Nor is it about the cocaine she snorted her way through in the Seventies and early Eighties, or the painkillers that blackened her moods, bloated her body and killed her creativity for years at a stretch. Somehow, like the other lucky rockers of her generation who have lived to tell the tale, she managed to survive all that.
This is a story about something ultimately more central to both her work ethic and her enduring popularity as one of the most reliably thrilling live performers on the US music circuit ~ her determination to control her performance on stage down to the tiniest detail.
It was 1975, and Nicks was about to go on her first tour with Fleetwood Mac, which she had just joined with her then-boyfriend and fellow singer-songwriter, Lindsey Buckingham. Six months earlier she had been poverty-stricken, living with Buckingham in Aspen, Colorado, and wondering if it wasn’t time to get out of the music business for good. (She captured the mood of that fraught moment in her much covered song Landslide, which appeared on her first album with Fleetwood Mac.)
It never occurred to her to dream up a costume for that first tour. “In my head I was still totally poor. I just went to my closet and picked out my own stuff,” she said. “Then, when I got out on stage, it was a nightmare. Every night we were on tour, I realised my stuff was not going to cut it.”
Musically, the tour was a success, but Nicks was miserable. And she vowed she would never again let an oversight like this creep into her work. So she invented a whole look for herself: the “English Dickensian waif in a shabby, raggedy black chiffony skirt and heavy boots”. “I thought, if I’m going to take this really seriously I’m going to plan this all out,” she said. “I had my hair a certain way, my make-up a certain way. I wanted it to be a complete package.”
Her single-mindedness paid huge dividends. It wasn’t just that she was thinking up a stage costume. She was dreaming up an image for herself that she intended to last until she was old enough to draw a pension. “Right then I thought, since I plan to do this when I’m 60, I want to make sure that what I wear now I can still wear when I’m 60.”
It was, in many ways, the birth of Stevie Nicks as the world has come to know her, the moment when the dreamy, mystical, other-worldly quality she brought to her songwriting became incarnated in her on-stage image. She had become, in her own words, “the airy-fairy person” of the group.
Nicks is now 59 ~ just one year shy of that distant, twilight year she imagined all those decades ago ~ and she’s still very much in the business of managing every aspect of her public image. When I met her at her large, improbably traditional house up a canyon overlooking the Pacific Ocean in Los Angeles, she’d been up two nights running to scrutinise a new batch of publicity photographs.
Now, though, she wasn’t happy, complaining that she couldn’t properly judge the texture and tone of the digital pictures. “I don’t know why this isn’t in focus,” she told her manager. “I can’t tell if I’m smiling or not smiling.”
Nicks wasn’t catty or unreasonable about it, just very exacting. “When you get to be my age,” she says, “you get protective of your image. I can either be involved or there will be no picture at all.”
It’s an attitude that has only hardened as Fleetwood Mac, and Nicks herself, have waned as recording artists and come to rely increasingly on their live shows to keep going. She’s been alternating solo tours and band tours for the past quarter-century, along with special double-act gigs with the likes of Don Henley of the Eagles ~ a musical partner and ex-boyfriend ~ and Chris Isaak.
The key to everything is her voice, which is still as rich, textured and rough-edged as ever. When she tours alone, she also has a topnotch band ~ 10 players, usually, although she has been known to perform with a full symphony orchestra.
“New artists can’t do what we do ~ they don’t get the support from their record companies,” she says, to explain it all. “We just stayed on the road. We’ve done it so long we could be half dead and still do a great show with one day of rehearsal.”
In other words, they just don’t make super-groups like they used to. Fleetwood Mac are not quite unique in the fact that the key members are all still alive and still ~ give or take a defection or two ~ playing together.
Nicks had as rough a time as anyone. She took enough drugs to be forced into rehab, complained of chronic fatigue syndrome, became addicted to the painkiller Klonopin, had a miserable time weaning herself off it after her weight ballooned to almost 11 stone, and suffered horrific after-effects from a breast enhancement, which she later reversed and always deeply regretted. Her love life was no less turbulent.
The secret to their survival was simple: “None of us ever did heroin. Right there, that’s why we are alive. We were careful - we didn’t die. But we could have.”
She attributes the group’s endurance to two things. One is the primacy of the work. When she got frustrated at the backlog of her unused songs in the late 1970s, she broke out with a solo record called Bella Donna which made her a star in her own right ~ at least in the US. From that moment on, Fleetwood Mac was more or less at her mercy ~ waiting for her to finish her own albums, or her own tours, before returning to the fold. “The rest of Fleetwood Mac got a vacation while I did my albums,” she said. “They were always waiting.” She almost ran herself into the ground in the process, but musically, at least, it worked.
The other thing, for want of a better term, was the feminine touch. She and Christine McVie brought a gender balance uncommon in major rock bands at the time. They were also major players because they wrote songs as well as performed them. If they clubbed together, they could exercise a veto over the rest of the band, and they did, frequently. “We became the mums,” they said. “There were times when we literally said, ‘OK, we’re going to have to fix this situation’. We did it many times. What can I say? Women are the caretakers. We can see a mess coming before they (the men) can.”
In the States, Nicks has never gone out of fashion, and never failed to sell out a tour. She is, in fact, by some distance the most successful solo artist ever to break out from a major band ~outselling Mick Jagger, Robert Plant, Don Henley and even Phil Collins, who comes closest to matching her.

The Independent

http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=19&theme=&usrsess=1&id=182190

darklinensuit
12-23-2007, 07:24 PM
Six months earlier she had been poverty-stricken, living with Buckingham in Aspen, Colorado, and wondering if it wasn’t time to get out of the music business for good.

Were they living there or vacationing? I know I've read both versions.
(BTW, any pics of her on skis?:laugh:)

- Jake

MacMan
12-23-2007, 07:53 PM
Rehash or reprint (although a shorter version), of the original article from October 6th in the Independent: http://arts.independent.co.uk/music/features/article3022698.ece

danax6
12-23-2007, 07:57 PM
Were they living there or vacationing? I know I've read both versions.

I'm pretty sure Stevie was staying there for a longer period of time, but I don't think they were actually living there. It was a friend's cabin. She went there to meet Lindsey who was on tour with the Everly Brothers.

(BTW, any pics of her on skis?:laugh:)
Sure.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g161/danax6/skiing.jpg

darklinensuit
12-23-2007, 08:09 PM
Sure.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g161/danax6/skiing.jpg

Thanks.
Now how about one in a bikini on waterskis?

- Jake

Livia
12-23-2007, 08:11 PM
Rehash or reprint (although a shorter version), of the original article from October 6th in the Independent: http://arts.independent.co.uk/music/features/article3022698.ece

I thought it seemed familiar, but I didn't remember the part about her going through the digital photos. :p

danax6
12-23-2007, 08:14 PM
Thanks.
Now how about one in a bikini on waterskis?

- JakeWould you settle for bikini pictures sans the waterskis?

vivfox
12-23-2007, 08:21 PM
Thanks.
Now how about one in a bikini on waterskis?

- Jake
This is about the closest you can get for that fantasy to occur.
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h89/Stevie_Rhiannon/Stevie/Steviewithnotopon2.jpg

WWDove flying over water
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd169/cielosharon/z34.gif

michelej1
12-24-2007, 12:42 AM
Were they living there or vacationing? I know I've read both versions.
(BTW, any pics of her on skis?:laugh:)

- Jake


According to the Zevon biography, it was Warren Zevon's inlaw's place where they stayed. They stayed there to save on paying for a hotel during the tour.

Michele

gldstwmn
12-24-2007, 11:43 AM
Somehow I think poor in Aspen is different than poor in say, Baltimore. :laugh:

petep9000
12-24-2007, 12:05 PM
Somehow I think poor in Aspen is different than poor in say, Baltimore. :laugh:

LOL! Or poor in a public housing project in The Bronx, NY. Stevie herself says she was wearing a 'bunny coat' while walking among the snow-covered hills in Aspen, and I always thought if she could afford a fur coat she wasn't REALLY all that bad off. Plus her father had a pretty high-profile corporate position at the time, he wasn't going to let his only daughter starve while she pursued her hippie dreams. :D

David
12-24-2007, 12:50 PM
She took enough drugs to be forced into rehabThis is an interesting choice of words on the part of Andrew Gumbel. The initial story went round in 1986 or so that family & friends forcibly intervened, but in subsequent years Stevie always maintained that she checked herself in to rehab, owing primarily to fear of early death. The question is, Did she tell Gumbel for this piece that it was a forced intervention? Otherwise why would he word it that way?

MacMan
12-24-2007, 12:57 PM
This is an interesting choice of words on the part of Andrew Gumbel. The initial story went round in 1986 or so that family & friends forcibly intervened, but in subsequent years Stevie always maintained that she checked herself in to rehab, owing primarily to fear of early death. The question is, Did she tell Gumbel for this piece that it was a forced intervention? Otherwise why would he word it that way?

I agree... I think there was an intervention from friends and family. It also doesn't make sense that she decided, on her own, to see a doctor after rehab only to satisfy everyone elses fear around her of a relapse... She had said that when she came out, she knew she wouldn't go back to it, so why give in to everyones fear... I think it was an intervention, and the doctor that perscribed her all the other stuff was also part of the intervention arrangement by whomever intervened.

petep9000
12-25-2007, 09:43 AM
This is an interesting choice of words on the part of Andrew Gumbel. The initial story went round in 1986 or so that family & friends forcibly intervened, but in subsequent years Stevie always maintained that she checked herself in to rehab, owing primarily to fear of early death. The question is, Did she tell Gumbel for this piece that it was a forced intervention? Otherwise why would he word it that way?

In Mick's book, he says there was an 'intervention' in '86. Yet Stevie spins the story now that she went to her MD and he said she had such a large hole in her septum that it would spread to her brain tissue and she would die- and that this made her stop. So I don't know who to believe.

Oh, and Happy Christmas everybody!

danax6
12-25-2007, 10:38 AM
This is an interesting choice of words on the part of Andrew Gumbel. The initial story went round in 1986 or so that family & friends forcibly intervened, but in subsequent years Stevie always maintained that she checked herself in to rehab, owing primarily to fear of early death. The question is, Did she tell Gumbel for this piece that it was a forced intervention? Otherwise why would he word it that way?Definitely an intervention.

But I doubt she told him that. She loves to maintain her self-proclaimed survivor status. I think he was just saying that she did so much drugs, the most logical next step was to go to rehab. It doesn't literally say she was forced by others, just forced by the situation.

David
12-25-2007, 04:04 PM
Definitely an intervention.The Pop Eye section (usually compiled by Pat Goldstein) in the Times Calendar mentioned a Stevie Nicks stay at Betty Ford in the early spring of 1986 -- like after the Australia trip with Dylan (which Americans didn't really know about at the time) but before getting her own solo tour under way. I think there were two stays: that one & again after her solo tour, maybe into the new year '87 before Fleetwood Mac press started. As to why there were two, I can't say. Maybe the first one didn't quite ... take ...? (An interesting comment she once made is that she couldn't undertake the arduous process of quitting coke before the major responsibility of a tour, which leads me to consider the possibility that she wasn't willing to try at that point, despite the intervention. The other possibility is that the first time was a forced intervention by friends or record company & the second time was her own decision -- because she felt "ready.")

But I doubt she told him that. She loves to maintain her self-proclaimed survivor status. I agree. When you read all the discussions of it she makes in print over the past ten or fifteen years, she always speaks of it as having checked herself in.

I think he was just saying that she did so much drugs, the most logical next step was to go to rehab. It doesn't literally say she was forced by others, just forced by the situation.I dunno, Vaness. I'm a native speaker of American English & I wouldn't say "She took enough drugs to be forced into rehab" unless I meant that someone else forced her (i.e., intervened). If I did, I would use it reflexively: "She forced herself ..." But still odd wording if referring merely to a personal choice. I used to copy edit for print papers, & if my writer turned in this word choice, I'd flag it for clarification.

So I'm essentially still left wondering whether Stevie told this particular writer that there was an intervention. Odd, odd, odd.

danax6
12-25-2007, 05:18 PM
The Pop Eye section (usually compiled by Pat Goldstein) in the Times Calendar mentioned a Stevie Nicks stay at Betty Ford in the early spring of 1986 -- like after the Australia trip with Dylan (which Americans didn't really know about at the time) but before getting her own solo tour under way. I think there were two stays: that one & again after her solo tour, maybe into the new year '87 before Fleetwood Mac press started. As to why there were two, I can't say. Maybe the first one didn't quite ... take ...? (An interesting comment she once made is that she couldn't undertake the arduous process of quitting coke before the major responsibility of a tour, which leads me to consider the possibility that she wasn't willing to try at that point, despite the intervention. The other possibility is that the first time was a forced intervention by friends or record company & the second time was her own decision -- because she felt "ready.")I think there were more times than just the two we know of. Early 1986 is definitely one of those other times. Was it you or someone else that mentioned remembering a news article from around that time that reported on it? I also think that the trip to Australia around that time wasn't "just for kicks", I think it was an escape for her.

I dunno, Vaness. I'm a native speaker of American English & I wouldn't say "She took enough drugs to be forced into rehab" unless I meant that someone else forced her (i.e., intervened). If I did, I would use it reflexively: "She forced herself ..." But still odd wording if referring merely to a personal choice. I used to copy edit for print papers, & if my writer turned in this word choice, I'd flag it for clarification.

So I'm essentially still left wondering whether Stevie told this particular writer that there was an intervention. Odd, odd, odd.I'm not a native speaker of any kind of English, so maybe my opinion doesn't count, but I am a translator and therefor partook in various writing courses. I don't think it's to be interpreted as black and white as you do. I really doubt that at this point she would change her story, unless someone slipped some truth serum into her iced tea.

I've seen it many times before; sentences like "She was so ill she was forced to vomit." That doesn't mean that someone was there, sticking a finger down her throat. She was vomiting because she was so ill. Stevie went to rehab because she was a drug addict. That's the logical conclusion the author of the article drew.

But I see where you, as an editor, might ask for clarification. It's definitely open to interpretation.

David
12-26-2007, 12:32 PM
I think there were more times than just the two we know of. Early 1986 is definitely one of those other times. Was it you or someone else that mentioned remembering a news article from around that time that reported on it? I also think that the trip to Australia around that time wasn't "just for kicks", I think it was an escape for her. An escape? That's interesting. Please discuss. You mean she didn't want to deal with health issues (underlying emotional issues), so she went on a vacation -- she "escaped." Petty & Dylan & all their entourage probably thought it was pretty darn weird that Stevie tagged along -- at the drop of a top hat -- not to mention her own people, who were probably wondering whether she intended to do anything at that point for her own new album. Imagine the confusion all around! :lol::lol:

I'm not a native speaker of any kind of English, so maybe my opinion doesn't count, but I am a translator and therefor partook in various writing courses.Your opinion ALWAYS counts, young lady. You're one of my go-to Ledgies & have been for years.

I don't think it's to be interpreted as black and white as you do. I didn't exactly say it was all black & white, Vaness. In fact, I said "I dunno," explaining that it didn't strike me as idiomatic if it didn't imply an intervention.

I really doubt that at this point she would change her story, unless someone slipped some truth serum into her iced tea.I agree. It seems very unlikely that, after all these years of talking about how she checked herself in, she would tell this guy that there was an intervention.

I've seen it many times before; sentences like "She was so ill she was forced to vomit." That doesn't mean that someone was there, sticking a finger down her throat. She was vomiting because she was so ill. Stevie went to rehab because she was a drug addict. That's the logical conclusion the author of the article drew. Could be. But I'm curious about something & I'm too lazy to track it down. Do you or does anyone else remember whether Stevie herself ever referred to her Betty Ford stay as an intervention? Mick's 1990 book (or the excerpts printed in Rolling Stone before the book was published) may have been the first time it was discussed that way. I just can't remember. We need an "Ask Rebecca" column!!

Someone in her sphere ought to intervene NOW & help her out!

petep9000
12-26-2007, 01:22 PM
An escape? That's interesting. Please discuss. You mean she didn't want to deal with health issues (underlying emotional issues), so she went on a vacation -- she "escaped." Petty & Dylan & all their entourage probably thought it was pretty darn weird that Stevie tagged along -- at the drop of a top hat -- not to mention her own people, who were probably wondering whether she intended to do anything at that point for her own new album. Imagine the confusion all around! :lol::lol:

Your opinion ALWAYS counts, young lady. You're one of my go-to Ledgies & have been for years.

I didn't exactly say it was all black & white, Vaness. In fact, I said "I dunno," explaining that it didn't strike me as idiomatic if it didn't imply an intervention.

I agree. It seems very unlikely that, after all these years of talking about how she checked herself in, she would tell this guy that there was an intervention.

Could be. But I'm curious about something & I'm too lazy to track it down. Do you or does anyone else remember whether Stevie herself ever referred to her Betty Ford stay as an intervention? Mick's 1990 book (or the excerpts printed in Rolling Stone before the book was published) may have been the first time it was discussed that way. I just can't remember. We need an "Ask Rebecca" column!!

Someone in her sphere ought to intervene NOW & help her out!

I definately remember Mick's book said it was an intervention involving her family, friends and Frontline management. I don't have my copy anymore, so I don't recall the exact quote he used. But he said also that Stevie fired Frontline shortly thereafter. In an '87 interview for 'Tango', Stevie was very vague on the whole Betty Ford experience.

"Well, I learned that I pushed myself way too hard. I tried to tour and I tried to do a Fleetwood Mac album at the same time. I'd go out on the road, and come home to Fleetwood Mac. And I'd go out on the road, and I'd come home to Fleetwood Mac. So I got no rest. I tried to do it all. And I just decided at the end of the tour that I couldn't do it all anymore. And the easiest way to readjust my way of thinking was to go to Betty Ford. So I did. And...you're not really supposed to talk about Betty Ford so all I can say is that the Ford Center is amazing place. And it makes it pretty easy, to...readjust your life. And since then, everythings great. I mean, life goes on. And I still write, and I still sing, and I still love music and I'm getting ready to do an album and Fleetwood Mac has a new album and I have a big single, and everything's fine...it's just different..."

So, she never says coke or booze. And never says how it is that she got there, except that she 'decided' that she couldn't do 'it all' anymore. So maybe 'it all' is a code word for her Habit. And 'decided' is a code word for Frontline telling her "if you don't check yourself in, you're through!"