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vivfox

12-11-2007, 10:28 PM

Are there really humans who prefer Stevie Nicks to Christine McVie?

http://wunderlampe.livejournal.com/10671.html

I believe this person is waiting for your answer.

David

12-12-2007, 11:16 PM

Are there really humans who prefer Stevie Nicks to Christine McVie?As difficult as it may be to believe, I do think that yes there are some people who prefer Nicks to Chris McVie. I don't pretend to understand such people, or even excuse them, or offer them clemency in times of social unrest. However, maybe such people simply aren't all that important to anyone but their loved ones. :nod:

strandinthewind

12-13-2007, 09:36 AM

I think they are both great in very different ways. To the vast majority of people, La Nicks is the bright flame that draws the attention. She has a mystery and beauty that CM does not have. On the other hand, CM tends to shy away from the light and presents herself, when compelled to do so, in a straight forward manner. That is great, but it lessens her cache for many, especially when La Nicks' super nova is standing right there. Is Cm a better musician - no question, she is.

Anyway, I like them both.

danax6

12-13-2007, 10:11 AM

Gailh

12-13-2007, 11:05 AM

David

12-13-2007, 12:40 PM

Very nicely put.

I always think Christine is a musician and Stevie is a rock star.

GailStevie WAS a rock star. Chris is STILL a musician.

strandinthewind

12-13-2007, 01:16 PM

Stevie WAS a rock star.

I disagree. I think though "we" are tired of her set lists, etc., La Nicks still rocks the house on EO17, SB etc. I cannot tell you how many average fans I have spoken to at concerts that say she a rock star, etc. - and that is based on those newer performances. Having said that, La Nicks is nowhere near the lithe dancer with the huge voice that she was in 1981. But, that does not mean she still is not a rock star

Chris is STILL a musician.

Yes, she is, though I did not think "In the Meantime" was a good example of that. I wish CM would do a record with piano only, no overdubs, and 30's music. I have always thought she could cover The Andrew Sisters as well.

Gailh

12-13-2007, 02:09 PM

Stevie WAS a rock star. Chris is STILL a musician.

I think Stevie could still pull in the crowds on a tour.

Christine on the other hand has no desire to do that

Gail

David

12-13-2007, 02:48 PM

I think Stevie could still pull in the crowds on a tour.What can I say? Celine Dion still reels 'em in, too, with her big, bland, glitzy show. Stevie has lost it, as far as I'm concerned, whereas Christine is still sultry, sexy, beautiful, accomplished -- still the perfect pop-rock star, the quintessence of all that I hold dear. The actual mechanics of her ability are at apex: the playing & singing are unbeatable, the way she stands, the way she moves, the way she sounds, the way she feels ... incomparable. (In short, when Chris sings, you don't hear snot rattling around in her esophagus.)

God bless Queen Christine!! :thumbsup::blob2::wavey:

David

12-13-2007, 02:55 PM

I disagree. I think though "we" are tired of her set lists, etc. I'm not tired of her set lists; I just don't enjoy listening to the snot move around in her upper gullet.

I cannot tell you how many average fans I have spoken to at concerts that say she a rock star, etc.Ah, so YOU'RE the guy who's chatting to everyone while we're trying to watch the show. :mad:

I did not think "In the Meantime" was a good example of that.Are you kidding?! You don't think "In the Meantime" is a good example of Christine's musicianship? One of us has ear wax problems, strand!

aleuzzi

12-13-2007, 03:27 PM

In the Meantime is an excellent, underrated, undersold collection of songs.

Gailh

12-13-2007, 03:44 PM

In the Meantime is an excellent, underrated, undersold collection of songs.

Amen to that! :thumbsup:

Gail

michelej1

12-13-2007, 03:54 PM

Are you kidding?! You don't think "In the Meantime" is a good example of Christine's musicianship? One of us has ear wax problems, strand!

Yeah, it's a good example of her musicianship on many songs. I'd love to see her play the end of Northern Star live, for example. Her voice superb and her phrasing and inflection conveyed every ounce of experience and emotion you could hope for.

Yet, while I enjoyed the album overall, there were a couple of tracks that took me on a very, ah, bad journey.

Michele

strandinthewind

12-13-2007, 04:11 PM

. . . Ah, so YOU'RE the guy who's chatting to everyone while we're trying to watch the show. :mad:

Hey Now :mad:

;)

Are you kidding?! You don't think "In the Meantime" is a good example of Christine's musicianship? One of us has ear wax problems, strand!

I just did not care for it. But, to each their own. I found the songs mostly the same sounding and IMO uninspired. Don't get me wrong, even not so great CM is still better than 99% of the crapola out there. Now, I found Temporary One very inspired, though IMO she reached her greatest on Tusk and Why is the best thing she ever wrote.

As for focusing on La Nicks' voice as the def. of a Rock Star, I submit there are other qualities she possesses. But, I agree, her voice is not that great these days, though she can choose to use it in a great way when the spirit moves her, which IMO is not often.

macfan 57

12-13-2007, 04:12 PM

In the Meantime is an excellent, underrated, undersold collection of songs.

I agree.:nod: And, her vocals were my favorites of hers ever. Her voice sounded so smooth & effortless. Amazing for her age! I've been playing ITM quite a bit lately.

David

12-13-2007, 04:50 PM

Now, I found Temporary One very inspired, though IMO she reached her greatest on Tusk and Why is the best thing she ever wrote.Christine's pinnacle is the double whammy of You Make Loving Fun & Butter Cookie from 1976.

But, I agree, her voice is not that great these days, though she can choose to use it in a great way when the spirit moves her, which IMO is not often.Ah, well. Stevie is Stevie. You know me. Whatcha gonna do? Stevie is Stevie, ya know?

Anyway, in honor of Christine, please enjoy these thumbnail (expandable) photos of a beat-up combo pianet.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee197/clivebrook/th_Pianet.jpg (http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee197/clivebrook/Pianet.jpg) http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee197/clivebrook/th_ComboPianet.jpg (http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee197/clivebrook/ComboPianet.jpg)

The heady, sexy days of Chris & her German pianet are long, long past. :( :shocked:

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee197/clivebrook/th_13117974.jpg (http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee197/clivebrook/13117974.jpg) http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee197/clivebrook/th_13117973.jpg (http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee197/clivebrook/13117973.jpg)

strandinthewind

12-13-2007, 05:16 PM

I often have imagined what she could have done on a Celesta - the thought is inspiring isn't it?

markolas

12-13-2007, 10:39 PM

Yes, she is, though I did not think "In the Meantime" was a good example of that. I wish CM would do a record with piano only, no overdubs, and 30's music. I have always thought she could cover The Andrew Sisters as well.

ITM was okay. A few songs I really liked. I dunno about the Andrews Sisters, but I have always felt like (at least as far as her solo albums go) she just didn't have the right material to work with. I heard her first album, Christine Perfect, and honestly was not that knocked out by it. I like her in a more bluesy context, but I can see why she wasn't satisfied with it. She was on the right track with the Elvis Presley cover.

CM's voice is certainly much more appealing than SN's at this point, I must say. I love Stevie's early solo stuff, but after RAL she loses me, except for The Dance.

jbrownsjr

12-14-2007, 02:24 AM

The more I listen to In The Meantime, the more I see how the radio missed out on some killer hits. Bad Journey is not a favorite here... but I love the way she phrases on the verses, "everything was looking good, just like it should" "trusted you with all my heart, never dreamt you tear me apart"

her tone on those verses is so solid.... her harmonies are fantastic as always... these lyrics make me reflect....

I still think the arrangements are a little too simple... You Are needs another section.. but the chord progressions in the intro and bridge so cool!!! Like Little LIes.. to many repetitions...

She does however do some different stuff vocally with Calumy...

I think Christine's keyboard playing is groovin... she loves to groove with bass and drums and that's half the battle in a recording studio...

Would have like to see someone more complex than Steve Ferone... but my guess is he was forced to the chart in front of him. "dont get to ****ing fancy!"

Don't forget to read the great write up in the liner notes by her brother.. It's great reading...

As for Stevie... I do like her and every time I want to rag on her I have to remember that she wrote GDust, Dreams, Rhiannon, Stand Back, Crystal (ok I'm reaching a little here), EO17, etc.., but I don't go out of my way to buy her new rehashed music or DVD. I love the Rhiannon intro with CM and SN off of "The Dance".. They should have done the whole song with just Christine on Piano, Stevie on vocals and Mick on minor percussion... Simply beautiful arrangement of Rhiannon...

strandinthewind

12-14-2007, 06:18 AM

. . . They should have done the whole song with just Christine on Piano, Stevie on vocals and Mick on minor percussion... Simply beautiful arrangement of Rhiannon...

I agree - ot just CM and La Nicks. I listen to those 70's era and even Mirage era (Rhiannon) songs where they both sing the lead and it is just great. Imagine for a minute if CM had come into the TISL sessions instead of Crow or even with Crow. TISL IMO sorely was missing the piano that made BD and WH such classics, not to mention FM. Also, I think La Nicks' voice on a few of the IMT songs would have been great. In the end and as I always say, the product of the FM five are WAY larger than the solo efforts of each, as good as those may be.

macfan 57

12-14-2007, 07:31 AM

They should have done the whole song with just Christine on Piano, Stevie on vocals and Mick on minor percussion..

They did do that a little, although without Mick on the Tango tour with HAEWAFY. I really liked that, much better than "Landslide".

Gailh

12-14-2007, 08:31 AM

In the end and as I always say, the product of the FM five are WAY larger than the solo efforts of each, as good as those may be.

Yes. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

Gail

jbrownsjr

12-14-2007, 09:05 PM

They did do that a little, although without Mick on the Tango tour with HAEWAFY. I really liked that, much better than "Landslide".

Yeah i always loved these two together.... it's why the LB SN relationship gets so old after awhile...

and btw strand... I think WHeart is a pop masterpiece...

David

12-15-2007, 12:22 AM

Yeah i always loved these two together.... it's why the LB SN relationship gets so old after awhile...

and btw strand... I think WHeart is a pop masterpiece...
brown, we ought to get together with the site owner, Michele, since we all live in the greater LA area. We could have fun times chatting & tossing down a few! :thumbsup: We could play some tunes if you guys wanted.

strandinthewind

12-15-2007, 02:56 AM

Yes. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

Gail

I agree - and you know how much I LOVE CM -- so many Chiffonheads are scared of this forum - - wisely so I guess :laugh:

and btw strand... I think WHeart is a pop masterpiece...

Totally - - and if not for THE VOICE - - musically mundane, which the exception of the titular track!

jbrownsjr

12-15-2007, 05:49 AM

brown, we ought to get together with the site owner, Michele, since we all live in the greater LA area. We could have fun times chatting & tossing down a few! :thumbsup: We could play some tunes if you guys wanted.

would love too! set it up... we'll play sable on blonde and work into dreams then outside the rain... lol

jbrownsjr

12-15-2007, 05:51 AM

I agree - and you know how much I LOVE CM -- so many Chiffonheads are scared of this forum - - wisely so I guess :laugh:

Totally - - and if not for THE VOICE - - musically mundane, which the exception of the titular track!

i remember listening to stevie and sharon celani (spelling) with jim ladd.. talking about wild heart....

great interview...

Villavic

12-16-2007, 06:31 PM

Are there really humans who prefer Stevie Nicks to Christine McVie?

With all respect, truly all respect.. this question is completely stupid.. and not because I like a girl more than the other. It's because that's what humans are about.. some prefer soccer, others prefer basketball
some prefer wine.. others prefer whisky
some prefer men.. others prefer girls.. :thumbsup:
some walk by night.. some fly by day..
Moonlighting strangers
Who just met on the waaaay

so.. humans may like anything.. your friends may like what you hate.. that's what this world is made of.. isn't that cool? (whenever it doesn't start fights nor wars of course)

Instead of that question, I'd ask.. Are there really humans who doesn't like music?? (i don't know anyone...