Does anybody see it happening in 2008? [Archive]

mylittledemon

12-10-2007, 08:02 AM

I can see a FM tour in 2008 but not the Rumours lineup as Christine wont tour.

Gail

Yeah well that sucks. Stevie already said she wont do it without Christine...which means the money isnt the issue.

I know Lindsey will continue to do his solo thing, unless something else bizarre happens and it morphs into Fleetwood Mac again.

I wish they would do something cooler...you know if Christine doesnt wanna tour, why dont Lindsey, Stevie, Mick and John all head over to England and practice a few weeks? Then they can film an "unplugged" set and re-tool some of the songs for an HD-DVD. There's not a whole lot of "moving forward" that this band can do. I'm a fan of Lindsey's idealism (his need for a 2 disc SYW) but...Christine says she is against touring, so why cant they work around that? Sure the money is in the touring, BUT, this particular fan would rather see recordings and live DVDs in abundance, rather than the touring.

danax6

12-10-2007, 08:28 AM

I wish they would do something cooler...you know if Christine doesnt wanna tour, why dont Lindsey, Stevie, Mick and John all head over to England and practice a few weeks? Then they can film an "unplugged" set and re-tool some of the songs for an HD-DVD. There's not a whole lot of "moving forward" that this band can do. I'm a fan of Lindsey's idealism (his need for a 2 disc SYW) but...Christine says she is against touring, so why cant they work around that? Sure the money is in the touring, BUT, this particular fan would rather see recordings and live DVDs in abundance, rather than the touring.That's never going to happen. They need to tour. Stevie brought that up a lot of times, and recently too. Not so much for her or Lindsey, but definitely for John and Mick.

joe

12-10-2007, 08:47 AM

well i just wrote a huge post and something happened and i lost the page...ugh! anyway, what i was saying was what i really would love is to get peter, danny, jeremy, bob, and christine together with the rest of them and do a show and maybe put that out on dvd. this is pushing it a bit too but can you imagine if they played a few select major cities. Just do like a mini tour? I wish it could happen. It would be a huge success. But, dream on...

At this point, I personally have little desire to see them live unless something changes. And I'm completely fine with that. I've gotten my fill. If Christine came back, I'd be in. But, without her it's not the same. And ditch those backing musicians. I'm sorry. To me, it's not the classic FM. Period.

I have no clue what Christine is thinking right now. Maybe she IS itching to do something. It's been over 10 years.

MacMan

12-10-2007, 08:56 AM

I don't see anything with the band happening if 2008 unless a miracle happens... And not if Lindsey plans to back up this supposed other solo album he plans to put out.... and based on the recent date that Mick is playing, in St. Louis, or somewhere like that... where the article said the date was part of a "world tour". So no... not in '08.

mylittledemon

12-10-2007, 09:46 AM

That's never going to happen. They need to tour. Stevie brought that up a lot of times, and recently too. Not so much for her or Lindsey, but definitely for John and Mick.

You cant say that for sure. No one thought "The Dance" would ever happen, not even Stevie. So my optimism holds despite your opinion.

danax6

12-10-2007, 09:55 AM

You cant say that for sure. No one thought "The Dance" would ever happen, not even Stevie. So my optimism holds despite your opinion.But they toured for The Dance. I thought you were saying you wanted just a live performance on DVD with Christine, and that they didn't have to tour?

aleuzzi

12-10-2007, 10:21 AM

The problem is, ironically, Mick. As it stands, he won't let Chris back in unless she tours. I see his point--to a point. But the band is getting old and why not just let it happen on album? He can send any old lineup on the road, as he's done in the past.

And let's not forget, Mick changes the rules when he needs to: he allowed--no persuaded--Chris to contribute to Time, even though it was clear she would not tour with the band that year.

In order for anything to happen (most likely not in 2008 at any rate) someone's gotta give.

Gailh

12-10-2007, 11:17 AM

Personally I think that if there is a collective will for the 5 of them to make some more music together then they'll find a way. It doesn't need to be a whole album. a few songs released on iTunes would be fine. If they all wanted to do it some of the recording could be done in L.A. and some in Kent.

The 4 who still want to tour could and Christine could sit at home and mind the dogs.

the trouble is the number of "ifs". As the great Ruud Gullitt (footballer and manager) once said "if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle" :laugh:

I do not think the collective will exists.

Once Stevie started making her "not without Chris noises" if I'd have been Christine I'd have changed my phone number in case Mick got on my case.

I think she probably feels that if they recorded together the pressure to tour would inevitably follow. She never really enjoyed touring all that much and it's been 10 years. I just don't think she can face it. I would rather she sat at home and not tour out of some missplaced sense of loyalty or duty which would show in her performance.

As she once said "it's time to put the baby to bed"

Gail

chiliD

12-10-2007, 12:15 PM

vivfox

12-10-2007, 12:50 PM

And let's not forget, Mick changes the rules when he needs to: he allowed--no persuaded--Chris to contribute to Time, even though it was clear she would not tour with the band that year.

I saw Fleetwood Mac live on the TIME Tour in Phoenix and Christine McVie WAS on that stage performing with the band.

mylittledemon

12-10-2007, 01:05 PM

But they toured for The Dance. I thought you were saying you wanted just a live performance on DVD with Christine, and that they didn't have to tour?

Yes you are right in that regard. That was me being hopeful that they would allow Chris to work with them and not tour. I don't really even think Chris would object to doing a few shows. Maybe a show in LA, a few in NYC and a few in the UK. Hell, they've got enough material that IF they DID record a new album (with Chris) they could still tour without her, and not have to do her stuff.

I'm partially siding with Chili, get people that WANT to be in Fleetwood Mac...but I dont see any of the old players coming back either. Stevie has said she won't do it unless Christine comes back...so there you go. The diva hath spoken. I dont see a way around that at all.

Gailh

12-10-2007, 02:10 PM

TrueFaith77

12-10-2007, 02:18 PM

It just irks the hell out of me that everything centers around whether Lindsey &/or Stevie want to get it together for Fleetwood Mac to exist.

Screw 'em!!!! If Mick & John want/need to do something, get people who WANT to be in Fleetwood Mac and get to work!!!

I, surprisingly, agree. As far as I know, I don't think Chili would agree with me that Lindsey and Stevie are the height of spectacle, but they aren't the last word of good music.

I hear Barney Sumner and Johnny Marr could use a gig. . . and a rhythm section.

aleuzzi

12-10-2007, 08:44 PM

I saw Fleetwood Mac live on the TIME Tour in Phoenix and Christine McVie WAS on that stage performing with the band.

I did not know this. I thought she played the superbowl in 1993 and that was it.

bucklind17

12-10-2007, 09:19 PM

I would love to see the band tour again, as a whole or with the SYW lineup, but not against anyone's will. Christine has made it clear, time and again, that she doesn't want to tour anymore. She can be poked and prodded till kingdom come, and eventually she may change her mind, but that doesn't mean she'll truly want to be there. I personally don't want to see a bunch of people who would rather be home up on stage, trying to get through it. That especially goes for Christine, and if Stevie truly feels the way she does about touring without Chris, it also goes for her.

I don't know if this is ever a possibility, I don't know if it could happen or even be considered, but I would love to see Mick, John and Lindsey go out together if neither of the ladies are interested in touring and see what that leads to. I won't lie, it's the Rumours lineup I prefer and am most interested in seeing, but perhaps they could even work in some past members into that lineup. I'm not sure what kind of setlist would come out of it, and it may be too similiar to a Lindsey solo show plus a few other tunes, but I'd certainly attend something like that.

michelej1

12-10-2007, 09:21 PM

Superbowl. The inauguration. I didn't think she did anything else with them on stage.

Michele

aleuzzi

12-10-2007, 10:07 PM

Superbowl. The inauguration. I didn't think she did anything else with them on stage.

Michele

That's what I thought. So is that, VivFox, what you saw?

aleuzzi

12-10-2007, 10:09 PM

I would love to see Mick, John and Lindsey go out together if neither of the ladies are interested in touring and see what that leads to.

Well, you know, this is as likely as any of the other options. As Christine once said, "Anything is Possible."

StreetAngel86

12-11-2007, 06:30 PM

Yeah well that sucks. Stevie already said she wont do it without Christine...which means the money isnt the issue.

I know Lindsey will continue to do his solo thing, unless something else bizarre happens and it morphs into Fleetwood Mac again.

I wish they would do something cooler...you know if Christine doesnt wanna tour, why dont Lindsey, Stevie, Mick and John all head over to England and practice a few weeks? Then they can film an "unplugged" set and re-tool some of the songs for an HD-DVD. There's not a whole lot of "moving forward" that this band can do. I'm a fan of Lindsey's idealism (his need for a 2 disc SYW) but...Christine says she is against touring, so why cant they work around that? Sure the money is in the touring, BUT, this particular fan would rather see recordings and live DVDs in abundance, rather than the touring.

awesome post
ita
i wouldnt mind if they toured a bit
but gimme FM in HD aaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnny day
that would be lush
maybe a few new songs
and i will be in heaven

SteveMacD

12-11-2007, 08:24 PM

I saw Fleetwood Mac live on the TIME Tour in Phoenix and Christine McVie WAS on that stage performing with the band.

Fuzzy memory. Christine never played live with that incarnation of Fleetwood Mac. Maybe you're thinking of the "Behind The Mask" tour? As far as I know, the only other blonde female to sing live with THAT incarnation of Fleetwood Mac was Bonnie Bramlett (Bekka's mom). For Christine, it was bad enough she was on an album with Dave Mason. She wouldn't be caught dead on stage with him.

SteveMacD

12-11-2007, 08:31 PM

the only problem with that is we might get Dave Mason again!

Oh, they could get Bekka Bramlett and Bob Welch, probably Billy and Rick, too. That's all I'd need.

Actually, I'm still liking my idea of just putting together a new incarnation altogether. I'd love to see an indie/power pop variant of Fleetwood Mac that would be Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Alex Chilton, Susanna Hoffs, and Jay Bennett. (A John McVie bassline on "September Gurls" would effing kick ass.)

David

12-11-2007, 09:42 PM

Oh, they could get Bekka Bramlett and Bob Welch, probably Billy and Rick, too. That's all I'd need.Well, you know those guys personally better than I do. But would those guys really rejoin the band after all this time & after everything that has gone down? I mean, Billy, for example -- he's been kicked out of the group twice. Don't you think that, if he were asked to rejoin, he'd have a few choice words for Michael Fleetwood & then hang up? And Bekka? I can't imagine Bekka wanting to go back to a situation twelve years later when the whole thing fizzled the first time! I mean, Bekka's getting her steady stream of gigs elsewhere, isn't she? Rick & Billy, too. What does Fleetwood Frickin Mac have to offer them? State fairs?

Actually, I'm still liking my idea of just putting together a new incarnation altogether. I'd love to see an indie/power pop variant of Fleetwood Mac that would be Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Alex Chilton, Susanna Hoffs, and Jay Bennett. (A John McVie bassline on "September Gurls" would effing kick ass.)I think it would be cool if everyone currently in the band left & only the backing band remained. Taku would have to sing "You Make Loving Fun" & Brett I guess (?) would have to sing "Come." Mindy whateverhernameis could sing "Sweet Girl" or "Destiny Rules." On "Landslide," she could say: "This is for you, Daddy. No, not really -- it has nothing to do with you, Daddy. But here goes."

michelej1

12-11-2007, 10:08 PM

"This is for you, Daddy. No, not really -- it has nothing to do with you, Daddy. But here goes."

It's funny to me how Lindsey is always telling people in the audience that Never Going Back Again is for them. I think he said it to Barbara Nicks twice this last tour. It's not exactly a dedication song. But then, I guess Lindsey doesn't really have one. That's why Stevie is always throwing his family into her Landslide dedications for him, because he couldn't really go, "This song is dedicated to my dear Aunt Agatha: Think of me sweet darling everytime you don't come . . ."

Michele

aleuzzi

12-11-2007, 10:23 PM

I would be interested in an entirely new frontline for Mac, one that brought them into a new direction. But not before the Rumors lineup had one more go for a studio album. One more out of the park megaeffing hit that blows everybody's doors off...

Nothing unrealistic.

SteveMacD

12-11-2007, 10:30 PM

Well, you know those guys personally better than I do. But would those guys really rejoin the band after all this time & after everything that has gone down? I mean, Billy, for example -- he's been kicked out of the group twice. Don't you think that, if he were asked to rejoin, he'd have a few choice words for Michael Fleetwood & then hang up? And Bekka? I can't imagine Bekka wanting to go back to a situation twelve years later when the whole thing fizzled the first time! I mean, Bekka's getting her steady stream of gigs elsewhere, isn't she? Rick & Billy, too. What does Fleetwood Frickin Mac have to offer them? State fairs?

I don't know those guys (that's the other Steve). But Bob has made it very clear that he'd like to work with the band again. Billy and Rick did that Mick Fleetwood Band thing last year, so I think whatever hard feelings there were aren't there anymore. As for Bekka, I guess I'm assuming that because she always seems to show up at the Nashville shows with whoever's playing. I don't think they'd do huge venues with that band, but certainly larger clubs would be possible. Honestly, I just wanna see John McVie in concert a few more times. Whoever else is in the band, or venue, doesn't matter much to me. At this point, I've given up on another great album ("Tusk" was the end of the road there), so at least put on a few more shows.

darklinensuit

12-15-2007, 08:50 AM

I don't know those guys (that's the other Steve). But Bob has made it very clear that he'd like to work with the band again.

I'd pay to see that before I'd go to another Rumours rehash tour.

- Jake

danax6

12-15-2007, 08:58 AM

It's funny to me how Lindsey is always telling people in the audience that Never Going Back Again is for them. I think he said it to Barbara Nicks twice this last tour. It's not exactly a dedication song. But then, I guess Lindsey doesn't really have one. That's why Stevie is always throwing his family into her Landslide dedications for him, because he couldn't really go, "This song is dedicated to my dear Aunt Agatha: Think of me sweet darling everytime you don't come . . ."And that's why he ended up dedicating 'What's the World Coming To' to Kristen. Awesome choice.

Every night, every day
In this house filled with shame
I can say I care
But there's no one there

There's no truth in my life
There's no light in my eyes
And it's all I guess
That I'll ever miss

David

12-15-2007, 12:41 PM

But Bob has made it very clear that he'd like to work with the band again.He wants to for musical reasons or because he thinks the band's a cash cow? The band's a cash cow only when the zaftig Goddess of Steeds is in it -- that's one of those facts that stare one right in the face -- & she prefers her name above the title these days, so she does her Enchanted Crystal Visions In Shangri-La tours every year. I can't imagine her enjoying the sensation of having next-to-nothing to do onstage with fourteen grizzly ex-members of the band all jamming away on guitars.

I don't think they'd do huge venues with that bandYa think?

Honestly, I just wanna see John McVie in concert a few more times. It's kind of puzzling that John never seems to participate in Mick's side bands. We should have asked him about that back when he hung out here. Aren't they still buddies? :shrug:

Musicman408

12-15-2007, 01:55 PM

Man, if FM toured in 2008, I'd just lose it. It would be UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!!!! I hope they do it one more time. :nod:

shackin'up

12-15-2007, 05:46 PM

Maybe December. Mick Fleetwood-John McVie-Bob Welch-Lindsey Buckingham.

Stevie would be in too, if Bob was added. Even in a more male evironment, this would bring a little more space between her and LB.
But to be honest, I don't mind if she doesn't turn back. Musically, she's over.

aleuzzi

12-15-2007, 09:08 PM

I don't mind if she doesn't turn back. Musically, she's over.

I thought her work on Say You Will and TISL comprised her best set of songs yet. Her voice has lost range, but none of its power within the range she sings--and she's getting more intense as a vocalist, I think.

Illume, Everybody Finds Out, and Destiny Rules are excellent.

Her TISL performance of Planets is amazing.

stevierocks87

12-16-2007, 01:34 PM

Her TISL performance of Planets is amazing.

Especially the unedited version. Its a shame that wasn't the album version or put on Crystal Visions. Everytime I listen to that song, I have visions of an earlier Stevie in that bent over position pulling the mike low sneering away.

"and DOOOOONNNN'T condescend to me...."

"You WONT forget, you WONT forgot, you WONT forget...."

Defenitely the most intense vocal she's done in years, practically unknown.

UnwindedDreams

12-16-2007, 07:08 PM

I guess they should do a Pre-Rumours tour next year. It do great in the UK, but how would it do here?

I think Lindsey and Stevie should chill for 2008 and get out in 2009.

chiliD

12-20-2007, 02:51 PM

SteveMacD

12-20-2007, 06:35 PM

Let's look to a completely NEW Fleetwood Mac (of music veterans):

Mick Fleetwood-drums/percussion
John McVie-bass
Bob Welch-guitar/vocals
Martha Davis-vocals/rhythm guitar
(insert keyboard player of choice, here)

That would be an INCREDIBLE lineup.

That's what I was basically doing, too. Though, I picked Susanna Hoffs. Roger McGuinn made me want to play a Rickenbacker. Susuanna Hoffs made me want to BE a Rickenbacker.

CADreaming

12-25-2007, 09:12 AM

The BN FM is not only the most enduring FM, it's the FM that sells - with or without Christine McVie. I doubt seriously that Mick and John are interested in putting together a different FM lineup or that any promoter would be interested in trying to sell tickets to a FM considering the previous post BN attempts. Money talks as they say.

Hopefully, we'll see FM action in '08, but I don't see Christine McVie coming out of her retirement even for studio work. I think she's done. I think Stevie's Christine talk is just that - talk - and she has her other reasons that will be ironed out - or she's just stirring something up for media purposes.

Basically, it does all boil down to what SnL want to do - Mick and John are at their mercy, ironic since it's their names on the checks. But, SnL will go another round if not this year then....listen to the wind blow...