Stevie mentions in Carol's book 'Storms'

[highwaywomen]

I just finished reading 'Storms' last night. I managed to fly through it in two days while also attending Stevie's show Saturday night. I read some of the thread on Lindsey's board and I'm kind of getting the impression a lot of you guys either aren't going to read it or don't believe it. But what if some of it is true? I thought it was a great read regardless, and I even cried laughing a few times. It was ten times better than Mick's book. I was hooked from the first sentence to the last. This week I am going to go back through it and find parts (mostly Stevie mentions) that I really found interesting. My favorite thus far (I hope I don't get in trouble for copying this...I give her full credit!)

Beginning of chapter 2 page 6

The day after Lindsey told me about breaking up with Stevie, I was sitting on the floor in the reception room of Studio B when a tiny hummingbird of a woman brushed past me in a blaze of color, on a cloud of patchouli and ylang-ylang. I stared. I'd never seen anything so bright and dynamic before, so compelling, so intensely certain of the vibe she created.

I watched as she jumped up onto a scuffed, low table in the center of that dingy gray room with its shabby carpets and grubby open shelving, creating a stage, inviting an audience. She moved and spoke at lightning speed, sniffing, pushing stray locks of long, blonde hair out of her eyes, smoothing her peasant blouse, swishing her silken skirts to create a backing track as she started to describe her Acapulco holiday.

"Like...mystical...and the moonlight...and so translucent, and kinda deep dark, dancing under the stars, and the ocean, there, black and pounding -"

Words just poured out of her, words and sniffs, then after pausing, "It was life-changing. Life changing!" She sniffed again.

I'd just met Stevie Nicks. She was without a doubt the most mesmerizing woman I'd ever encountered. I didn't need to be told that she was a star. Her light was blinding. People gathered around. I sat transfixed, still on the floor, and looking up at this five-foot-nothing exquiste firebrand.

[highwaywomen]

They seemed to make fun of her a lot. I love Stevie and I would never ever change a thing about her, but I have to admit, this part had me crying with laughter. I will post this as well and then I'm off to find some more parts. This sort of reminded me of myself because my two cats are like my children. I would never compare them to a human, but I get made fun of a lot. (Btw, did anyone read the part about what Lindsey said to Mick Jagger??!!! OMG!!! I nearly DIED!!! LOL!!!!!)

Oh, before I type this. This was on the Rumours tour right after Lindsey had his seizure. She had just described in full detail how scary it was to watch Lindsey, thinking he might die, and how the band still made him play that night.This is what happened later in the morning -


Feeling as though I'd never smile again - much less laugh - I followed Lindsey across the hotel lobby in a daze. Suddenly a hand pulled insistently on my arm and I looked up to see Stevie Nicks.

"Carol, I heard about what happened this morning and I know just how you must be feeling!" she said in her low, husky voice.

"You do?"

"Of course I do! My poodle Jenny - I just love her to pieces - got shut inside the sunroom of my house in Phoenix and she almost died! It was horrible! The room was so hot that she collapsed and by the time I found her she was lying in a little heap, gasping for breath. It scared me to death, you know. I cried and cried. Anyway, I just wanted to tell you that." With a squeeze of her hand to bolster me against the horror of her personal tragedy, she swept away regally and walked out into the sunshine.

What? She's comparing what happened to LIndsey to a near-death experience of her poodle? Standing frozen in my tracks, I tried to make sense out of what she'd just told me.

And I started to laugh, giggling hysterically, as I followed her outside to the limos. I felt like banging my head on top of the car to try to get back to planet Earth. Jesus! Has the whole friggin' world gone crazy?

Lindsey looked at me as though I'd lost my mind. "What's so funny?" He asked with a puzzled look on his face, unable, I'm sure, to understand how I could be laughing after that morning's events.

"Oh Lindsey, oh Lord, you're not going to believe what just happened!" I gasped, trying to stop giggling long enough to get the words out. His eyes widened in disbelief as I told him the exact words of Stevie's "comforting" story.

Now laughing as hard as I was, he spluttered, "That woman's wacko, I swear. Even for her, that's pretty out there! But seriously, Carol, did she make you feel better?" As I nodded we both broke into fresh peals of laughter and it felt wonderful. "Hey Carol, you should have asked Stevie if she was sure it was the heat in her sunroom or if maybe 'little Jenny' had just OD'd on blow." And we started to laugh all over again. Stevie's poodle Jenny was infamous for its love of cocaine. Stevie had told many a story backstage of her poodle's fondness for the taste of blow. She said that she couldn't leave a packet on any of her tables at home - if she did, the dog would eat it, paper and all - and then run around in little energetic circles.

After the horrific morning we'd had, we both owed Stevie a solid "thank you" for inadvertenly making both of us feel better. Even if we were laughing at her this time, all that mattered was that she did, indeed, lighten our spirits. Who knows, I mused, maybe Stevie's so brillant that she knew it'd take a bizzare out-of-left field story to cut through my shock. I smiled as I replayed our encounter in my head.

[belladonnadream]

I just finished reading 'Storms' last night. I managed to fly through it in two days while also attending Stevie's show Saturday night. I read some of the thread on Lindsey's board and I'm kind of getting the impression a lot of you guys either aren't going to read it or don't believe it. But what if some of it is true? I thought it was a great read regardless, and I even cried laughing a few times. It was ten times better than Mick's book. I was hooked from the first sentence to the last. This week I am going to go back through it and find parts (mostly Stevie mentions) that I really found interesting. My favorite thus far (I hope I don't get in trouble for copying this...I give her full credit!)

Beginning of chapter 2 page 6

The day after Lindsey told me about breaking up with Stevie, I was sitting on the floor in the reception room of Studio B when a tiny hummingbird of a woman brushed past me in a blaze of color, on a cloud of patchouli and ylang-ylang. I stared. I'd never seen anything so bright and dynamic before, so compelling, so intensely certain of the vibe she created.

I watched as she jumped up onto a scuffed, low table in the center of that dingy gray room with its shabby carpets and grubby open shelving, creating a stage, inviting an audience. She moved and spoke at lightning speed, sniffing, pushing stray locks of long, blonde hair out of her eyes, smoothing her peasant blouse, swishing her silken skirts to create a backing track as she started to describe her Acapulco holiday.

"Like...mystical...and the moonlight...and so translucent, and kinda deep dark, dancing under the stars, and the ocean, there, black and pounding -"

Words just poured out of her, words and sniffs, then after pausing, "It was life-changing. Life changing!" She sniffed again.

I'd just met Stevie Nicks. She was without a doubt the most mesmerizing woman I'd ever encountered. I didn't need to be told that she was a star. Her light was blinding. People gathered around. I sat transfixed, still on the floor, and looking up at this five-foot-nothing exquiste firebrand.
Thanks for sharing~ this IS soo Stevie~ I can just picture the five foot 1 little nut!!!:lol:

[aleuzzi]

Okay, I know this is the Stevie room, but I was wondering what this person thought of Chris...

Anyone want to post a passage about Carol's take on her?

[strandinthewind]

My dogs are like my kids -- so, I totally get La Nicks' story.

Also - if a dog ate a pack of coke, it would in all probability die.

[catinthedark]

I just finished reading 'Storms' last night. I managed to fly through it in two days while also attending Stevie's show Saturday night. I read some of the thread on Lindsey's board and I'm kind of getting the impression a lot of you guys either aren't going to read it or don't believe it. But what if some of it is true? I thought it was a great read regardless, and I even cried laughing a few times. It was ten times better than Mick's book. I was hooked from the first sentence to the last. This week I am going to go back through it and find parts (mostly Stevie mentions) that I really found interesting. My favorite thus far (I hope I don't get in trouble for copying this...I give her full credit!)

Beginning of chapter 2 page 6

The day after Lindsey told me about breaking up with Stevie, I was sitting on the floor in the reception room of Studio B when a tiny hummingbird of a woman brushed past me in a blaze of color, on a cloud of patchouli and ylang-ylang. I stared. I'd never seen anything so bright and dynamic before, so compelling, so intensely certain of the vibe she created.

I watched as she jumped up onto a scuffed, low table in the center of that dingy gray room with its shabby carpets and grubby open shelving, creating a stage, inviting an audience. She moved and spoke at lightning speed, sniffing, pushing stray locks of long, blonde hair out of her eyes, smoothing her peasant blouse, swishing her silken skirts to create a backing track as she started to describe her Acapulco holiday.

"Like...mystical...and the moonlight...and so translucent, and kinda deep dark, dancing under the stars, and the ocean, there, black and pounding -"

Words just poured out of her, words and sniffs, then after pausing, "It was life-changing. Life changing!" She sniffed again.

I'd just met Stevie Nicks. She was without a doubt the most mesmerizing woman I'd ever encountered. I didn't need to be told that she was a star. Her light was blinding. People gathered around. I sat transfixed, still on the floor, and looking up at this five-foot-nothing exquiste firebrand.

she is so clearly bitter. note how she has to include the "sniffs" - the "sniffing."

lame. ass.

[danax6]

Okay, I know this is the Stevie room, but I was wondering what this person thought of Chris...

Anyone want to post a passage about Carol's take on her?There's a passage about Christine's granny knickers that I might just transcribe later on, because it had me in stitches. :laugh:

[danax6]

Oh, and both Songbird and Oh Daddy are about Curry Grant. According to Carol she later on changed the meanings to what the fans have always speculated, Songbird being 'for everyone' and Oh Daddy being about Mick.

[JazmenFlowers]

I'll have to come back and read these later, but WOW...thanks for posting these.

[denny23220]

I wanna get this book (and some ylang ylang oil!)

[highwaywomen]

I found some more hilarious parts last night. If I get time tonight after work, I will post a few more. I remember the part about Christine's 'granny knickers' and I will try to post that as well. LOL!!! Did Carol say they were on display at the police station or something?? I can't remember now, but god, that was funny!!!

Jackie

[*Crystal*]

OMG!

I cannot wait for my copy to arrive!

I LOVE the Stevie dog story!! I was giggling myself when I read it - it'd be the same sort of thing I'd say! Except I did lose my little darling this year :distress: .

PLUS - I totally loved the Patchouli mention! I love to burn it around the house and put drops of it into scarves etc!

[danax6]

Here's the part about the house, because it's just so damn funny...

---

As Lindsey pulled over and parked his Beemer next to a huge white Spanish house , I head a voice echoing above our heads that I recognized. Looking up, I saw Stevie Nicks standing on one of the balconies overhanging the street. Lindsey swore as he grabbed my hand, pulling me up a flight of stairs that led to the open front door of the house.

"I can't believe that Stevie got to this house first! Damnit it! I'm going to find a new realtor, I swear to God!" Lindsey tossed over his shoulder at me as we raced into the house and up a huge staircase inside.

Stevie laughed as soon as she saw Lindsey's scowling face from her perch of the balcony of the huge living room. "Great house, Lindsey. What a surprise to see you here!" she teased in her husky voice. "I just might buy it! You really must see the fire place in the master bedroom! It's perfect for me!"

"Whatever, Stevie. Who's your realtor? Satan?" Lindsey snapped back.

"I wouldn't say that... but my realtor has enough mystical powers to know to bring me here an hour before you! And anyway, he got the listing last night from your realtor!" Laughing at the dark scowl still on Lindsey's face, she continued. "Oh, Lindsey, don't be such a spoilsport. This is a perfect girl's house...I really like it...oh, hi, Carol," Stevie added as an afterthought.

[BTFLCHLD]

I don't believe a word of this "..." BS! :wavey:

[danax6]

I don't believe a word of this "..." BS! :wavey:I'm having a hard time believing it also. It all comes across as completely... fictional.

Even the **** we already know seems to be twisted around somehow.

[sparky]

I don't doubt a word of it. It seems ridiculous that if you spent that amount of time with a bunch of people who were rich, famous, neurotic as hell, and doing copious amounts of drugs, that you would need to fabricate stories.
If anything, you would want to edit extreme **** out.
The only thing I find hard to believe is why she waited so long to publish it.
It is decades past the point where a large numebr of people even care about any of this. It isn't like it is going to make any real money. That ship sailed long ago.

[strandinthewind]

. . . The only thing I find hard to believe is why she waited so long to publish it.
It is decades past the point where a large numebr of people even care about any of this. It isn't like it is going to make any real money. That ship sailed long ago.

I agree. But, I think the release has been delayed several times this decade.

I also agree that she is not making shiitte up for the reasons you say. Now, she could be adding some stretchers :laugh:

In the end, it is her story to tell because she was there. So, I do not fault her one bit. I mean LB wrote about her in songs and talked about her in the BTM special - both of which were for profit. So, why shouldn't she?

[BTFLCHLD]

I highly doubt the "..."

I suspect we shall soon see excerpts at http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/


oh the tales I could weave about my 20s. :nod:

[danax6]

^
Read it, you guys. For starters there are just too many inaccuracies (one big glaring one as well) and secondly, the whole feel of the book is just off. It alternates between bouts of over the top gushiness to downright resentment towards the band and it's individual members. One would expect nothing else from someone that was as close to Fleetwood Mac as she apparantly was, but throughout the entire book (and I am about halfway so far) the resentment becomes the thin red line, making the gushing look incredibly forced and fake. And that's what bothers me, because she is only focusing on the supposed bad stuff. 98% of all of the conversations or interactions between Lindsey and the band, or her and the band or Lindsey and Stevie are tinted with hostility. Like she turned around every conversation to make it fit into her tale of 'Lindsey and Carol: United against the bad people of Fleetwood Mac', deliberately leaving out all the happier or loving moments. And surely, those must have taken place also.

Like it was said somewhere else, she's completely romanticizing their tale and making it seem like they cared about nobody else and nobody cared about them. I just have a hard time accepting everything she says as the gospel truth, especially if you take those inaccuracies into consideration.

I have no doubt that some of her recollections are spot on, but overall I am still taking this with a huge grain of salt.

[highwaywomen]

If this book is true, false, fabricated, whatever, it's still a good read. I just don't take it too seriously. I thought it was hilarious! Here is the part about Chris's underwear -

Christine could out-drink any man but had never learned to do girly things or dress up like a homecoming queen. Once, dirving to a band photo shoot with Richard Avedon, one of the world's famous photographers, she was pulled over by the NYPD, who suspected they'd seen her snorting coke as she drove. Fortunatly she'd snorted the entire stash, so there was no proof. But to her humiliation and fury she'd been strip-searched while wearing the large graying pair of knickers we all keep in the bottom of our lingerie drawer. "I was saving my new pink silk ones for the shoot!" she screamed at us all, still raging, when she arrived. "I was wearing my usuals!"

"Oh my God, Chris, not the cotton English granny knickers?" Stevie gasped. Big knickers weren't Stevie's style. From a wealthy family, she'd grown up in silk.

Christine nodded and burst into tears.

John Courage leapt to his feet, shaking his fist. "I'll have their badges!" he promised.

Christine was a guys' girl, a good sport-think Katherine Hepburn's elegance and boyish charm, or Hilary Swank in Million Dollar Baby. She was earth and tough, despite the pure voice and poignant love songs she wrote. She was the band mother, as Stevie was the wayward band child.

[highwaywomen]

One more part -

Another rule was that if any band members played silly games, we could all join in. With her mystical naivete, Stevie was an easy target for jokes as the males in the band bonded and weapt and swore botherhood in maudlin drunkenness. At the start of the Rumours tour, Stevie had left her hard contact lenses in while she partied for two days to celebrate the band's success, and had worn off her cornea. After being carried piggyback onto the stage by the famed promoter Bill Graham, she struggled through the rain-swept gig, wincing every time the spotlight hit her, and was immediately ordered by the doctor to keep her eyes bandaged for a few days. It was too much of a temptation for the jokers, even for her regular band of adoring girlfriends who traveled everywhere with her. For the entire four days that she was blinded, they dressed her in outrageous outfits - "You look really pretty today," we'd all grin- they put food and drink just out of her reach, and set booby traps for her to fall into. Very childish, of course, but we laughed like idiots. There was a touch of cruelty about it, but there was that boarding school undertone in much of the joshing that Mick and the two Johns initiated.

[ELIUD]

I don't believe a word of this "..." BS! :wavey:

I do. Every word. 'specially the part about Christine's discolored granny panties. Nasty thing.

[ELIUD]

...despite the pure voice and poignant love songs she wrote. She was the band mother, as Stevie was the wayward band child.
Christine = mother, old, graying granny underwear
Stevie = child, young, silk panties

I want Carol to join the ledge!

[sparky]

Christine = mother, old, graying granny underwear
Stevie = child, young, silk panties

I want Carol to join the ledge!


I'd buy her drinks and feed her all night long. I am sure she held stuff back.

[ClintonScott]

if you believe a line from this then you must think that the Enquirer is the bible... so bogus! the stories sound so contrived and conspired Carol is a has-been that never-was trying to capitalize on an obvious rebound relationship she had 30 years ago, i'm sure she was probably high most of the time too...

[strandinthewind]

I'd buy her drinks and feed her all night long. I am sure she held stuff back.

I know - I would keep the booze a flowin and the tape a runnin!

[ELIUD]

I know - I would keep the booze a flowin and the tape a runnin!

Click "record" for pure gold. (Enquirer 3:16)

[Betsy]

I'd buy her drinks and feed her all night long. I am sure she held stuff back.



Hey Sparky --- That last comment is classic!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

(See, I'm STILL laughing.)

[Betsy]

Okay, I know this is the Stevie room, but I was wondering what this person thought of Chris...

Anyone want to post a passage about Carol's take on her?

This isn't exactly a Carol take on her. (Remember I am a slow reader and not as far as the rest of the class...) But here is something about Chris being the "heavy", as it were.

This is a part early in the book where Lindsey takes Carol Ann to a Post Rumors party. (FYI Stevie is a no show.) Apparently, Chris starts asking Carol Ann all sorts of questions about her background, what she does now, etc. etc. Carol Ann says that she and her live-in boyfriend make bootlegs of concerts. They sneak in a mike and a tape recorder and then later produce colored vinyl LP's for sale.

Chris asks her if she is planning to pirate Rumors and Carol Ann bleaches and says something like "OH NO! I would never do that."

Then our little Carol Ann has passed "the test" and the band decides she is alright and can become a member of the inner circle. (Lindsey is gushing and so proud of his "little girl.")

BTW...Chris was the member - delegated to interrogate little Carol Ann, who is viewed as a very innocent, delicate, child. There are many apologies about "sorry to put you through that but we HAD to know, etc. etc."

Then the party is descibed and Carol Ann says people end up having to use the bathroom a lot -- quickly and frequently, even while they are still talking (cocaine reference) and she can't quite figure out why.

Yes, it seems to get humorous as little innocent Carol Ann tells her story, like she is the little lamb and the rest are wolves in sheep's clothing. Only thing is that she is so naive', I can't tell if she is serious or just plain "stahoopid".

[sparky]

^^^^^

Sounds hysterical.

I am so buying this. It promises to be more entertaining than anything a member of the band has done in years. It is certainly the most interesting thing posted about on the ledge in forever.

[aleuzzi]

This isn't exactly a Carol take on her. (Remember I am a slow reader and not as far as the rest of the class...) But here is something about Chris being the "heavy", as it were.

This is a part early in the book where Lindsey takes Carol Ann to a Post Rumors party. (FYI Stevie is a no show.) Apparently, Chris starts asking Carol Ann all sorts of questions about her background, what she does now, etc. etc. Carol Ann says that she and her live-in boyfriend make bootlegs of concerts. They sneak in a mike and a tape recorder and then later produce colored vinyl LP's for sale.

Chris asks her if she is planning to pirate Rumors and Carol Ann bleaches and says something like "OH NO! I would never do that."

Then our little Carol Ann has passed "the test" and the band decides she is alright and can become a member of the inner circle. (Lindsey is gushing and so proud of his "little girl.")

BTW...Chris was the member - delegated to interrogate little Carol Ann, who is viewed as a very innocent, delicate, child. There are many apologies about "sorry to put you through that but we HAD to know, etc. etc."

Then the party is descibed and Carol Ann says people end up having to use the bathroom a lot -- quickly and frequently, even while they are still talking (cocaine reference) and she can't quite figure out why.

Yes, it seems to get humorous as little innocent Carol Ann tells her story, like she is the little lamb and the rest are wolves in sheep's clothing. Only thing is that she is so naive', I can't tell if she is serious or just plain "stahoopid".


Thanks, Betsy

[BlackWidow]

I suspect Carol Ann is "Caroline" from TITN.

[highwaywomen]

Have you ever wondered why Stevie never plays an instrument on stage? This is what Carol had to say about her first rehearsal for the Rumours tour :

The first person I saw was Stevie Nicks, sitting on the edge of a wooden crate with an acoustic guitar strapped around her neck. Lindsey was leaning over her with his hands on his head in a classic pose of frustration. As I approached, unseen, Lindsey let out a loud wail of frustration.

"Jesus, Stevie! You said you wanted to play guitar on 'Go Your Own Way'! This sounds like ****! It's easy to play, so what's the problem? Try it again. Now!"

Stevie bent her head over the guitar and slowly, painstakingly tried to make it thorugh the opening guitar riff of "Go Your Own Way." She sounded like a child playing her big brother's Gibson acoustic. John, Mick, and Christine were all lounging in the front row of metal chairs, not even trying to muffle their snickers and laugher.

Lord help me, I said to myself, could I have picked a worse time to arrive?

Lindsey let out another "Arrghh!" at full volume and began to stomp away from Stevie toward the cheap folding chairs. He stopped dead in his tracks when he saw me standing just outside the circle of light. His angry expression left his face, replaced with a glow of pleasure as he walked quickly twoard me. Cringing inside, I felt all eyes upon me as I unwillingly became the center of attention. The band swiveled in their chairs, vodka tonics in hand, to become spectators to play that was unfolding before them. As Lindsey reached me, he picked me up and swung me around in his arms. Looking over his shoulder, I could see Stevie standing up - anger and disgust etched on her face. With a toss of her hair, she took the guitar from around her neck and threw it on the floor. She then stalked off into the gloom behind the stage.

[danax6]

Aside from the Lindsey and Mick Jagger 'meeting', which I won't spoil for you guys still wanting to read this book, the following part had me in stitches the most:

She told me she wanted to talk to me about Lindsey and my relationship with him. Please no, I thought desperately. I can't deal with another scene right now. I really can't. I started to pull away from her but found that her slim fingers were holding me tightly. Trapped, I waited with resignation for whatever was coming.

I got a thirty-minute lecture about how to be the perfect woman for Lindsey. She told me that she was aware of how difficult it must be to live with him. She should know, she said. We both began laughing and I started to relax. She went on and on about how perfect Lindsey and I were for each other. After fifteen minutes she started talking about auras and visions and for the life of me I couldn't really make sense of what was she saying. I mean, Stevie's philosophy about "Life with Lindsey Buckingham" was so mystical and otherworldly that a mere mortal had no hope of understanding it. ( :laugh: )

After twenty-five minutes my head was spinning. I knew that Lindsey must be wondering where I was, and just when I was about to make my excuse to Stevie and tell her thanks for the talk but I gotta go, I heard a voice behind me say, "OK. That's great. It's a wrap in here." Turning in shock, I saw that a camera crew had filmed the entire discussion. With my back to them, I had no idea that they were there - but Stevie knew. As soon as they said, "It's a wrap," she smiled sweetly at me and swept out of the room.

Unh! I can't believe what just happened! She just used me for one of her "crystal vision" speeches and it's all on ****in' tape! I can't friggin' believe it! How embarrassing is this? Oh my God.

[MoonWaterPoet]

Christine = mother, old, graying granny underwear
Stevie = child, young, silk panties

I want Carol to join the ledge!



Oh, I'm probably sure she's Lurking around here somewhere... reading all of this, knowing her book was just released... LOL !!! I was thinking that when I first started reading the 'threads'...

Donnie Wayne ~

[estranged4life]

oh the tales I could weave about my 20s. :nod:

the stories I could share with people about my younger days would make people freak the hell out, and those stories are still continuing now in my personal life.

[Betsy]

I suspect Carol Ann is "Caroline" from TITN.

You are right. Carol Ann says that in the last chapter and that Tango in the Night (song) is also about her.

I got kinda bored last night, so I skipped and read the last chapter to see if I will even stay with this thing. The tone changes and it is sad...almost like someone else is writing the book, compared to the writing style of the first part. (Damn, I wish I had taken that speed reading class..)

By skipping to the end, I am now intrigued enough to finish reading it. You Ledgies have made me realize the humor in the Stevie parts. It reminds me of a combination of Shakespearean plays. Lindsey is Hamlet - (that boy has a lot of issues) and Carol Ann is Ophelia (extremely in love and happily picking flowers). Mick is the comical character, sexual and earthy. Chris and John are the background cast being supportive, and hanging around with a vodka drink in one hand and a cigarette in the other.

And Stevie, you just gotta love Stevie. The references of her and her girlfans "slinking to the shadows of the stage" (during Rumours rehearsals), reminded me of the witches in MacBeth. Stevie is as sinister as Iago, and yet, comical and loveable. The comments Carol Ann makes about her - what she says, what she does and what she wears, well....to see those two get down in the dirt and kick up gravel, is just some good entertainment.

[danax6]

Stevie is as sinister as Iago, and yet, comical and loveable. The comments Carol Ann makes about her - what she says, what she does and what she wears, well....to see those two get down in the dirt and kick up gravel, is just some good entertainment.Yes, and let's not forget the part where Stevie tells Carol she got hives because of her. :lol:

[SNLB]

Click "record" for pure gold. (Enquirer 3:16)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[GarboSpeaks!]

I got this book about 3p.m yesterday and am a little more than halfway thru it. What's pissing me off the most is from the get-go, it's "i'm SO strong...been in the muic biz FOR YEARS....." she starts off barely 18 going into the Rumours aspect of life. What "years" does she have under her belt? And since when is booting music biz experience, ASIDE from the fact that it was mostly her ex doin' it.

Then she folds everytime Linds has a tantrum. So she's storng/weak, strong/weak. Women like this drive me batty. Get a backbone for chris'ake.

OTHERWISE, I am completely enamored w/ the fact that we are getting different perspectives on what it must have been like during the Rumours heyday. Nothing like reading a book that DOES NOT START "in the beginning.....Peter Green.....blah, bllah, blah" I'm taking each chapter w/ a grain of salt as far as authenticity, but hey, whatever. For as guilty as I feel reading it, there are some intersting aspects.

And as friggin' HOT as LB is...I'm grateful she's not getting THAT into their sex life. I prefer my daydreams, and c'mon, the guy is married and has kids that may well read this one day. YUCK! "ewww...Daad!" :p

[Livia]

http://kylesmithonline.com/?p=145

Here’s more on the Fleetwood Mac memoir “Storms,” by a longtime ex-girlfriend of the band’s Lindsey Buckingham. Author Carol Ann Harris, who says that with the exception of one brief chat she’s never spoken about her years with the band before, writes that Buckingham’s previous girlfriend Stevie Nicks “transferred her feelings of rage from her past lover” to her and was incensed at having to sing the nasty lyrics Buckingham had written in dismissal of her, “Go Your Own Way.”

Nicks once wandered offstage to grab Harris in mid-concert, when Nicks was supposed to be singing “World Turning,” and “gripped my upper arm like a claw. I could smell the alcohol on her breath as she started to scream at me that I was evil. Evil, evil, evil! She hated me, she said. She screeched that she was never going to allow Lindsey to marry me.”

After Buckingham suffered a ten-minute grand mal seizure the morning before a 1977 show in Philadelphia, Harris thought he was dying. But Mick Fleetwood resisted taking Buckingham to a hospital, saying that Lindsey would be “fine” when he woke up and he wanted to ask him if he could play the show after his “little attack.” Buckingham did indeed go on, with an ambulance waiting, but at one point stopped, put his head down and leaned against a speaker. Afterward, Nicks rushed up to Harris and said, “I know just how you must be feeling! My poodle Jenny — I just love her to pieces — got shut inside the sunroom of my house in Phoenix and she almost died!” Buckingham, told of this, later said, “That woman’s wacko, I swear. Even for her, that’s pretty out there.”

Buckingham could be pretty heartless himself, though; after Harris suffered a miscarriage of their child, not having known she was pregnant in the first place, she says Buckingham’s reaction was “no words of consolation, none of concern.” Instead he delivered a ten-minute tirade of accusations that I was hiding a pregnancy from him. And to Lindsey that seemed the ultimate betrayal.”

[Serrart]

So, as imagined the book is a load of rubbish full of Stevie mentions :rolleyes:... unfortunately the kind of stuff Hollywood would buy.

Romy

[sparky]

This sounds like more fun the more I hear about it.

It is really a hoot to hear some of the nuttiness that went on. God knows no one else will ever write about it. Mick's version was boring. Lindsey won't do it. John and Chris couldn't be bothered. Stevie will drop dead before she writes about it. And even on the off chance that she did, it would santized within an inch of its life anyway. I am gonna make a meal of this thing.

[danax6]

This sounds like more fun the more I hear about it.

It is really a hoot to hear some of the nuttiness that went on. God knows no one else will ever write about it. Mick's version was boring. Lindsey won't do it. John and Chris couldn't be bothered. Stevie will drop dead before she writes about it. And even on the off chance that she did, it would santized within an inch of its life anyway. I am gonna make a meal of this thing.When I first started reading some comments I thought this book was going to be a hoot also, and really, at some points it really was, I'll admit to having laughed out loud several times. But the book gets on your nerves after a while. At times I had to check whether Carol Ann actually wrote the book, because page after page is filled with over the top romantic and dramatic imageries that would make you think La Nicks had a hand in it. It gets a little nauseating after a while.

[Betsy]

When I first started reading some comments I thought this book was going to be a hoot also, and really, at some points it really was, I'll admit to having laughed out loud several times. But the book gets on your nerves after a while. At times I had to check whether Carol Ann actually wrote the book, because page after page is filled with over the top romantic and dramatic imageries that would make you think La Nicks had a hand in it. It gets a little nauseating after a while.

You've got it! The book was so annoying with all the references to romance and the fairytale terms she uses to describe it. It was bugging me big time, like I was reading a badly written Harlequin Romance and I bought the $30 hardback edition. That's why I skipped to the last chapter. I kept thinking -- "Is this chick ever gonna grow up and talk like an adult?"

I don't take issue with her writing the book. Hey, I'm reading it. What I don't like is the writing style. She talks about the Rumours Europe tour and how frightened she is. And the sentence before that she says she and John had been to Europe twice and Japan once. She is only 23. That sounds a bit like she's more worldly that she will admit.

While with John, they had a child together and she carefully places it up for adoption. Wouldn't that be a life-altering experience , making one mature and take life a little more seriously? The way CAH writes, I keep thinking... "I don't think this puppy has his eyes open."

I just don't buy that this girl from Oklahoma was that naive'. When she spars with Stevie, she's a full-blown ninja out for war.

[sparky]

You've got it! The book was so annoying with all the references to romance and the fairytale terms she uses to describe it. It was bugging me big time, like I was reading a badly written Harlequin Romance and I bought the $30 hardback edition. That's why I skipped to the last chapter. I kept thinking -- "Is this chick ever gonna grow up and talk like an adult?"

I don't take issue with her writing the book. Hey, I'm reading it. What I don't like is the writing style. She talks about the Rumours Europe tour and how frightened she is. And the sentence before that she says she and John had been to Europe twice and Japan once. She is only 23. That sounds a bit like she's more worldly that she will admit.

While with John, they had a child together and she carefully places it up for adoption. Wouldn't that be a life-altering experience , making one mature and take life a little more seriously? The way CAH writes, I keep thinking... "I don't think this puppy has his eyes open."

I just don't buy that this girl from Oklahoma was that naive'. When she spars with Stevie, is a full-blown ninja out for war.


Well, this is absolutely perfect, when you think about it. Much of the band, most especially Stevie and Lindsey, consistently say one thing and do another. And seem to have a shaky grasp on logic, to say the least. Really. I mean, how many times have we heard Stevie say, "I'm no rock and roll princess!" and the like? When she is the ultimate pampered rock star. She sounds worldy and wise on one hand, and then comes across later as completely out of touch with reality. Lindsey too has always gone back and forth with his art vs. commerce shtick, and is always referred to as being smart with money. Yet he lived how many years in a hotel? I could go on and on here with these silly things about all of them. But the truth is, I am not surprised that his long term paramour is coming off as maddeningly inconsistent and a bundle of contradictions. Look who she was keeping company with. She sounds as nutty as we have always suspected they are.
Oh, and I mean that in the best possible way.

[Betsy]

Well, this is absolutely perfect, when you think about it. Much of the band, most especially Stevie and Lindsey, consistently say one thing and do another. And seem to have a shaky grasp on logic, to say the least. Really. I mean, how many times have we heard Stevie say, "I'm no rock and roll princess!" and the like? When she is the ultimate pampered rock star. She sounds worldy and wise on one hand, and then comes across later as completely out of touch with reality. Lindsey too has always gone back and forth with his art vs. commerce shtick, and is always referred to as being smart with money. Yet he lived how many years in a hotel? I could go on and on here with these silly things about all of them. But the truth is, I am not surprised that his long term paramour is coming off as maddeningly inconsistent and a bundle of contradictions. Look who she was keeping company with. She sounds as nutty as we have always suspected they are.
Oh, and I mean that in the best possible way.


Good point. She probably was emulating the company she kept.

I watched those 1977 Rumours Outtakes last night. No wonder the photos in CAH's book are blurry...it's like someone hit "freeze frame" and then took a photo of the TV set, and voila' we got some photos for the book.

I still haven't figured out the dust cover for the book... Why not a photo of CAH & LB? Didn't she have to pay somebody a royalty for using the photo she did? That would cut into the profits...or did she write the book for profit?

One last thing that irked me....CAH tells us her thoughts whenever she is around Stevie - and she is always the victim. It's like she is mentally preparing herself for battle...but the paranoia comes through:

"Stevie's out to get me."
"Stevie's out to get me."

Yet when Stevie talks to her, Carol Ann throws word daggers right back at La Nicks, so why all the paragraphs on paranoia?

(Is paranoia a side effect of blow? And the effects are still there 30 years later?)

[sparky]

Good point. She probably was emulating the company she kept.

And like attracts like.

I watched those 1977 Rumours Outtakes last night. No wonder the photos in CAH's book are blurry...it's like someone hit "freeze frame" and then took a photo of the TV set, and voila' we got some photos for the book.

I just got the book, and thumbing through it I thought the same thing. The picture quality is for ****. I like the layout - it is a nice change from that annoying photo section in the center of most books like this. But the photos themselves are high school yearbook quality. I was wondering if they were polarioids or taken with a 110 instamatic.

I still haven't figured out the dusk cover for the book... Why not a photo of CAH & LB? Didn't she have to pay somebody a royalty for using the photo she did?

I thought the cover was odd too. I am sure it was used because it is a somewhat iconic photo of the band. It is more eye catching that any picture of her and Lindsey would be. It does, however suggest that the book is more about the band as whole than just her and Lindsey. I have yet to see.

And yeah, I am sure the photo cost money. I didn't check but I think it is Sam Emerson shot.

That would cut into the profits...or did she write the book for profit?


Of course she did, to some extent.


One last thing that irked me....CAH tells us her thoughts whenever she is around Stevie - and she is always the victim. It's like she is mentally preparing herself for battle...but the paranoia comes through:

"Stevie's out to get me."
"Stevie's out to get me."

Yet when Stevie talks to her, Carol Ann throws word daggers right back at La Nicks, so why all the paragraphs on paranoia?

(Is paranoia a side effect of blow? And the effects are still there 30 years later?)

Yeah, coke makes people paranoid. Epically paranoid. I have yet to start reaading, but just thinking about it I can see why she would be defensive at least. I mean, who had the power there? It isn't like Carol was in the band.
And Stevie, in the Rumours era, was one the most famous women on earth. In arguably the most popular band on earth. So, that is a person you wouldn't want to piss off. Add that to what we already know about the infighting and egos present at the time, and you have a tense situation to begin with. Even without dating a guy and traveling with his ex.

As an aside, long term coke users and pot smokers I have known definitely exhibit long term personality changes. Way after the drug use has stopped. Permanent paranoia? Not so much. But altered personalities? Absolutely.

[carol7lynn]

Finally blocked off a couple of hours this morning and read the book, for free, at Barnes & Noble. I had previously read all of the posts on the Ledge before hand. Here is my two cents.

The book is not even a tell-all, it's a tell-on-you-and-you-and-you-and-you book. No one escapes her critical eye that's for sure. She has something negative to say about everyone except herself. As others posters have observed, she plays the hapless victim throughout, used and abused to the point that she is forced to finally walk away from it all, only to have Mr. Buckingham ride up in his White Porsche (re: white horse) an entire year later to plead with her, his Angel, one last time to "marry me." Read like a Jackie Collins novel. Yuk!

She spent an inordinate amount of time relating how she felt about Stevie's behavior at any given moment in any given situation not to have hated her yet she claims the opposite is true. And, the majority of her observations about Stevie were down right mean-way past negative.

It was, also glaringly apparent, that CAH still to this day, defines herself by the men she keeps company with. It was very telling, to me, that she made sure that everyone (including Lindsey) knew that she is currently married to a musician. Why else would she define her husband by his occupation on the dedication page? I'm sure that characteristic alone did not endear her to Ms. Nicks who is not defined by anyone and "stronger than you know!"

She childishly justified every immoral, or even amoral, activity that she engaged in, from placing her baby daughter up for adoption to bootlegging concert albums (A practice not only wrong, but illegal.), while mercilessly pointing out, every one of, the family-Macs' short-comings.

This book will definitely end up in the $5 bin within the year.

CarolC:cool:

[danax6]

The book is not even a tell-all, it's a tell-on-you-and-you-and-you-and-you book. No one escapes her critical eye that's for sure. She has something negative to say about everyone except herself. As others posters have observed, she plays the hapless victim throughout, used and abused to the point that she is forced to finally walk away from it all, only to have Mr. Buckingham ride up in his White Porsche (re: white horse) an entire year later to plead with her, his Angel, one last time to "marry me." Read like a Jackie Collins novel. Yuk!Yes, I vomited. That part was incredibly bad.


She childishly justified every immoral, or even amoral, activity that she engaged in, from placing her baby daughter up for adoption to bootlegging concert albums (A practice not only wrong, but illegal.), while mercilessly pointing out, every one of, the family-Macs' short-comings.
Throughout those entire seven years, Ms. Harris did nothing wrong. Or at least that's what she wants us to believe. It was always someone else. Sounds like someone else we know. ;)

[darklinensuit]

This book will definitely end up in the $5 bin within the year.

CarolC:cool:

Unless she sells the movie rights to Lindsay Lohan. :eek:

- Jake

[darklinensuit]

Buckingham could be pretty heartless himself, though; after Harris suffered a miscarriage of their child, not having known she was pregnant in the first place, she says Buckingham’s reaction was “no words of consolation, none of concern.” Instead he delivered a ten-minute tirade of accusations that I was hiding a pregnancy from him. And to Lindsey that seemed the ultimate betrayal.”

Certainly any woman deserves words of comfort and sympathy after a miscarriage, but in fairness, I'd be pretty pissed if I were in Lindsey's shoes.

- Jake

[MoonWaterPoet]

Unless she sells the movie rights to Lindsay Lohan. :eek:

- Jake

Lmaooooo... Oh no ~ that was hilarious!!!
Will Lindsay Lohan be starring as Carol Harris...??? LOL!!!

Donnie Wayne ~

[Musicman408]

I just finished reading 'Storms' last night. I managed to fly through it in two days while also attending Stevie's show Saturday night. I read some of the thread on Lindsey's board and I'm kind of getting the impression a lot of you guys either aren't going to read it or don't believe it. But what if some of it is true? I thought it was a great read regardless, and I even cried laughing a few times. It was ten times better than Mick's book. I was hooked from the first sentence to the last. This week I am going to go back through it and find parts (mostly Stevie mentions) that I really found interesting. My favorite thus far (I hope I don't get in trouble for copying this...I give her full credit!)

Beginning of chapter 2 page 6

The day after Lindsey told me about breaking up with Stevie, I was sitting on the floor in the reception room of Studio B when a tiny hummingbird of a woman brushed past me in a blaze of color, on a cloud of patchouli and ylang-ylang. I stared. I'd never seen anything so bright and dynamic before, so compelling, so intensely certain of the vibe she created.

I watched as she jumped up onto a scuffed, low table in the center of that dingy gray room with its shabby carpets and grubby open shelving, creating a stage, inviting an audience. She moved and spoke at lightning speed, sniffing, pushing stray locks of long, blonde hair out of her eyes, smoothing her peasant blouse, swishing her silken skirts to create a backing track as she started to describe her Acapulco holiday.

"Like...mystical...and the moonlight...and so translucent, and kinda deep dark, dancing under the stars, and the ocean, there, black and pounding -"

Words just poured out of her, words and sniffs, then after pausing, "It was life-changing. Life changing!" She sniffed again.

I'd just met Stevie Nicks. She was without a doubt the most mesmerizing woman I'd ever encountered. I didn't need to be told that she was a star. Her light was blinding. People gathered around. I sat transfixed, still on the floor, and looking up at this five-foot-nothing exquiste firebrand.

Thanks for posting that. Sounds like even when Stevie is oof the stage, she is still mezmorizing.:nod:

[moonbeam]

Oh, I'm probably sure she's Lurking around here somewhere... reading all of this, knowing her book was just released... LOL !!! I was thinking that when I first started reading the 'threads'...

Donnie Wayne ~

Why would you think that Carol Ann would pick this forum to lurk?

[Tango]

Why would you think that Carol Ann would pick this forum to lurk?


Carol Ann Harris is almost certainly aware of this website. Sara Fleetwood signed the petition that was up about releasing some of the band music/video in DVD form, etc a few years ago. (it's since been removed, btw). Who knows if they ever found "The Ledge," [The Ledge is just a small part of The Penguin, according to Marty] but there certainly are people in and affiliated the band who are aware of The Penguin itself. Some of them participated and contributed to this website, including John McVie himself:

http://fleetwoodmac.net/penguin/qa/

If you are relatively new to The Penguin, welcome. Read on. ;)

But as to whether any of them actually lurk here, well, the web is a large open window. Some people must think "they" are lurking. I notice some Ledgies seem to post directly to Carol Ann Harris. I don't know who is 'out there.' I guess it's possible. :wavey: Hi lurkers.

[TwistedGypsy]

The book seems interesting. Thanks to those who posted the excerpts and just from reading them, 2 things bother me. Why is it when ever she mentions Stevie, she says Stevie Nicks? Does she refer to Chris as Christine McVie or Mick as Mick Fleetwood? For God's sake we know who you are talking about, you don't have to use their whole name. That was just bugging me. Secondly, we all know Miss Carol Ann did her share of coke too, hell Lindsey wrote a song about it. How does she remember all this? I have a hard time remembering yesterday sober.
But I might give it a shot.:rolleyes:

[Tango]

The book seems interesting. Thanks to those who posted the excerpts and just from reading them, 2 things bother me. Why is it when ever she mentions Stevie, she says Stevie Nicks? Does she refer to Chris as Christine McVie or Mick as Mick Fleetwood? For God's sake we know who you are talking about, you don't have to use their whole name. That was just bugging me. Secondly, we all know Miss Carol Ann did her share of coke too, hell Lindsey wrote a song about it. How does she remember all this? I have a hard time remembering yesterday sober.
But I might give it a shot.:rolleyes:

I think I tend to say Stevie Nick. ;) There's more than one John (McVie and Courage- who she calls J.C. somtimes) and more than one Chris (Nicks and McVie). You're correct: there's only one Stevie Nicks. :laugh: No mention of Stevie Wonder that I can recall. Actually, you've been mislead. She doesn't always say "Stevie Nicks" all the time; maybe you only saw quotes where Stevie is referred to in her full name. Sometimes Carol Ann says Stevie, sometimes "she" (as in "SHE, who must be obeyed?" ;) Sorry, very loose reference.)

In the book Ms. Harris says she made tape recordings of this time with her friend Sara Fleetwood. Lindsey actually stumbled across one (page 277) and flipped out.

But even without the recordings, or diaries (which a lot of people write in while going to therapy), Carol Ann did coccaine, not Quaaludes and alcohol which does leave blank out spots in one's memory. She mostly drank 7-up, at least early on, she writes . These people were all pretty irresponsible: drinking and driving, doing coke while literally on the road. I guess it's fortunate they didn't have cell phones as well at that time.

Rather than depend solely on a few posts, you can read the whole thing yourself. If you don't want to purchase it, maybe you can buy a second hand copy of the book or get it from the library eventually and get a fuller picture of what people are talking about.

[MoonWaterPoet]

The book seems interesting. Thanks to those who posted the excerpts and just from reading them, 2 things bother me. Why is it when ever she mentions Stevie, she says Stevie Nicks? Does she refer to Chris as Christine McVie or Mick as Mick Fleetwood? For God's sake we know who you are talking about, you don't have to use their whole name. That was just bugging me. Secondly, we all know Miss Carol Ann did her share of coke too, hell Lindsey wrote a song about it. How does she remember all this? I have a hard time remembering yesterday sober.
But I might give it a shot.:rolleyes:

You were thinking the same thing as I was, I noticed that too about her saying Stevie Nicks instead of just Stevie... and wondered why... it was bugging me too. LoL!!! Perhaps she's totally envious of Stevie and wants to keep everyone aware of who she's talking about... I dunno ~... Or she doesn't like Stevie and is being sarcastic by calling her by her full name repeatively... I thought it was weird too!!!

Donnie Wayne ~:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[MoonWaterPoet]

Why would you think that Carol Ann would pick this forum to lurk?Well probably for a few reasons... But I was just being facetious and silly when I posted that earlier... LoL... I have no ideal if she is here or not... I was just getting tickled and laughing at some of the excerpts from the book, that people were posting at the beginning of the thread... and it crossed my mind: 'what if'??? To me it would just be common sense or common curiosity, that if I wrote a book about Stevie or Lindsey I would be at all of their web sites and message boards to see what everyone was saying about it... Or I would have someone there doing it for me...Wouldn't You???
And with this board being called ~ 'The LeDGe'...?
Just a speculation...

Donnie Wayne ~:

[Boots]

You know the one thing I learned so far from this book?

That Stevie could sooooo kick Carol's ass.:woohoo:

[Tango]

You know the one thing I learned so far from this book?

That Stevie could sooooo kick Carol's ass.:woohoo:

:laugh:

The BOOTS are back.

[chiliD]

I don't doubt a word of it. It seems ridiculous that if you spent that amount of time with a bunch of people who were rich, famous, neurotic as hell, and doing copious amounts of drugs, that you would need to fabricate stories.

Sure you would. Hell, if you were doing that many drugs, you wouldn't REMEMBER half of what the hell happened. So, there'd HAVE to be some things that were fabricated.

I'd have three books of stuff about my 20's & 30's...IF I could remember 1/2 of it. I'm lucky that I remember so many details of the few things I do.

[jannieC]

Sure you would. Hell, if you were doing that many drugs, you wouldn't REMEMBER half of what the hell happened. So, there'd HAVE to be some things that were fabricated.

I'd have three books of stuff about my 20's & 30's...IF I could remember 1/2 of it. I'm lucky that I remember so many details of the few things I do.

I beg to differ. :) I did a lot of drugs in my 20's and also remember a lot about that time. If anyone were interested, I could probably write a book too. I doubt anyone would be interested, though. :o

[slnrox]

she is so clearly bitter. note how she has to include the "sniffs" - the "sniffing."

lame. ass.

Exactly. Stevie is way out of her league and always will be. She's clearly jealous of her, and for good reason--she'll never be able to compare to Stevie in Lindsey's eyes or in any other way. Face it sweetie, your 15 minutes of fame are over, and this book isn't going to help you get it back.

[sparky]

Sure you would. Hell, if you were doing that many drugs, you wouldn't REMEMBER half of what the hell happened. So, there'd HAVE to be some things that were fabricated.



Well, I am about 70 pages into the book, and so far she isn't doing much coke yet, and she doesn't LIKE to drink. We'll see if she ever does pot, as that is what really decimates the memory.

I am loving it so far. It's fascinating and cool to hear about all the behind the scenes stuff, backstage dynamics, and the like. Stuff I always suspected but of which I could never be sure.

Despite what people seem to imply, she isn't relating mostly nasty stuff about people. More than anything it is nuts and bolts story stuff about what is happening. I find it so puzzling, the hostility with which the existence of this book is regarded. And the suspicion that it engenders. All these years, no one ever wrote a thing about the real story of the band, and it is finally out there. Counter to what other people think, I believe out of all the people involved in this period, Carol Ann has the LEAST likely reasons to lie or creatively edit. For one, she has nothing to lose as far the band members go. Unlike Mick, Stevie, Lindsey, John, or other longstanding members of the posse, she is not going to screw up a working dynamic. It is in the compelling interest of all current members of that clique to NOT piss anyone off. Their friendships and livelihoods depend on keeping the peace. Furthermore, there is the legal issue. If she said anything libelous or slanderous about anyone, she and the publisher would be slapped with a lawsuit faster than you can say John Branca. I am sure the legal department of the publisher checked to make sure they weren't going to get nailed. They aren't going to put themselves at that kind of risk.

To elaborate on the legal aspect, remember Stevie threatening quite publicly threatening to sue Mick to the point of bankruptcy if he slandered her in his book? Anyone who thinks the band member's attorneys haven't already read this book has got to be on crack. Just going through the motions of suing her would cost her a fortune in legal fees for her defense. A fortune any member of the band has at their disposal and could part with painlessly. So, if there was anything that was a full out character damaging fabrication you can be certain an attorney would have been on this like white on rice.

I have no reason to defend Carol Ann Harris, per se. I am just looking at this logically. Also, I don't have any bias about any member of the band anymore. I don't have any emotional investment in the precious reputations of any them being tarnished. Or any Romantic illusions about any of them when it comes to either their art, their drug histories, or their record of dealing with other people. I don't think that is the case across the board here when it comes to what people have to say about this. And if she was just doing this for money, folks, she would have written it when more people gave a damn about the band and their soap opera. Say You Will didn't even go platinum.
Like the number of record buying fans, the number of people who are going to shell out cash for this story has plummeted. That doesn't diminish the story for me, but I think it wipes out the argument that she is simply cashing in. She could have done that years ago with a tape recorder and ghost writer.

In a few days I'll finish and post more about the book itself. Like I said, so far I am having a blast reading it.

[strandinthewind]

. . . and she doesn't LIKE to drink . . . .

Best of plans mislaid :mad:

[danax6]

Well, I am about 70 pages into the book, and so far she isn't doing much coke yet, and she doesn't LIKE to drink. We'll see if she ever does pot, as that is what really decimates the memory.I can believe her not liking to drink, but I still think she downplayed the amount of coke she did. Other people have talked about her addiction, and both accounts don't match up. I suspect it's because she wanted to focus on the huge amounts the band snorted (and doesn't pass up any opportunity to express that) so maybe she thought she'd lose credibility if she admitted being involved heavily in it also?

I am loving it so far. It's fascinating and cool to hear about all the behind the scenes stuff, backstage dynamics, and the like. Stuff I always suspected but of which I could never be sure.Sure is. I found it funny to hear that instead of sending up a prayer or forming a huddle before a show, they all put out their wrists together and had J.C. pour white dust on them.

Despite what people seem to imply, she isn't relating mostly nasty stuff about people. More than anything it is nuts and bolts story stuff about what is happening.It's not blatantly out there no, but it'll all start once you get to the chapter that deals with Lindsey's epilepsy attack. Then it shifts from a story and funny anecdotes to Carol and Lindsey forming a union against the big bad wolf that is Fleetwood Mac. And that's where, especially between the lines, the resentment and hostility comes out, making all the compliments seem forced and even a little hypocritical at times. It's them against the band regarding his health, his music, his appearance, his intentions... basically everything.

I find it so puzzling, the hostility with which the existence of this book is regarded.I am not hostile towards it. So far I have only honestly relayed what I think of it. And that there are many inaccuracies in it, which make it hard for me to take everything at face value.

To elaborate on the legal aspect, remember Stevie threatening quite publicly threatening to sue Mick to the point of bankruptcy if he slandered her in his book? Anyone who thinks the band member's attorneys haven't already read this book has got to be on crack. Just going through the motions of suing her would cost her a fortune in legal fees for her defense. A fortune any member of the band has at their disposal and could part with painlessly. So, if there was anything that was a full out character damaging fabrication you can be certain an attorney would have been on this like white on rice. [/quote]I don't think anyone here has thought that it didn't go through their lawyers. In fact, many believe that's why it took so long for the book to get published and that's why there aren't any shocking revelations in it. If you ask me this is revised version number 27 or so. :laugh:

In a few days I'll finish and post more about the book itself. Like I said, so far I am having a blast reading it.I did too at first, until after a few chapters it turned into a Harlequin novel, with the endless dramatic and romantic ramblings. But hey, maybe that's your thing. ;)

[sparky]

I can believe her not liking to drink, but I still think she downplayed the amount of coke she did. Other people have talked about her addiction, and both accounts don't match up. I suspect it's because she wanted to focus on the huge amounts the band snorted (and doesn't pass up any opportunity to express that) so maybe she thought she'd lose credibility if she admitted being involved heavily in it also?

I will keep tabs on this. Already she talks of "needing" a bottle cap.:lol:

Sure is. I found it funny to hear that instead of sending up a prayer or forming a huddle before a show, they all put out their wrists together and had J.C. pour white dust on them.

That is a riot. And so not a surprise.

It's not blatantly out there no, but it'll all start once you get to the chapter that deals with Lindsey's epilepsy attack. Then it shifts from a story and funny anecdotes to Carol and Lindsey forming a union against the big bad wolf that is Fleetwood Mac. And that's where, especially between the lines, the resentment and hostility comes out, making all the compliments seem forced and even a little hypocritical at times. It's them against the band regarding his health, his music, his appearance, his intentions... basically everything.

I just read that. And I have to admit I was shocked at how callous they were and how the band was so purely business from the absolute get go. But, I can see the dynamic already, which obviously is gonna come to a crescendo after Tango. So far, she has had pretty nice things to say about everyone. I am waiting for some mention of Lindsey being jealous of Stevie's dating. But it is hardly mentioned - she is just surrounded by her dress alike fan girls all the time. Which is extremely funny to me. I used to find it charming when I pictured that, now it just seems odd.

I am not hostile towards it. So far I have only honestly relayed what I think of it. And that there are many inaccuracies in it, which make it hard for me to take everything at face value.

I didn't get the impression you were, really. I think your reaction has been pretty fair. What inaccuracies are you seeing?

I don't think anyone here has thought that it didn't go through their lawyers. In fact, many believe that's why it took so long for the book to get published and that's why there aren't any shocking revelations in it. If you ask me this is revised version number 27 or so. :laugh:

Well so many of the comments about not believing a word of it, she is a bittter and jealous bitch, blah blah blah, don't seem to take into account any of those realities. But, I noted with a chuckle that Don Henley is referred to as a "friend" of Stevie's and that she is "close" to many of the Eagles. Read: screwed everyone but Glenn Frey:lol: That was a clear rewording of history. Only the afffair with Mick is plainly out there. So those are clearly legal tracks. Which is fine with me. I have heard enough dirt about Stevie to write my own book, as most of us have. But it is clear she is not saying much about her antics, which we know were considerable.

I did too at first, until after a few chapters it turned into a Harlequin novel, with the endless dramatic and romantic ramblings. But hey, maybe that's your thing. ;)

Hah. I am waiting to see the tone of voice change more, but have already noted the relationship with Lindsey is clearly very immature and that Carol was an extremely naive kid. Honestly she is what, 23 or 24 when this is starting? I buy the reality that she is green and romantic. It goes with the territory. And come on, this is a STEVIE NICKS forum. People here have an inordinately high tolerance and affinity for romantic, wide eyed and lovestruck rambling. And don't even require that it makes any sense to boot.:thumbsup:

I wonder if Carol's POV and attitude will change as the book goes on. About Lindsey, the band, etc. I don't expect her to be a great writer, but am curious to see if the telling and tone is going to change as things unfold. She is already setting it up as a situation that is gonna get worse and worse as time goes on.

[henryscutter]

I just got done speed reading this book. On one hand I am glad someone wrote a book about the behind the scenes stuff on the other I wish it was someone who had a more complete story to tell. The scenes she describes obviously have a lot more complexity to them and should have been more fleshed out. Instead all we get is a very one-sided account.
I think a lot of the things she describes did happen but we are not getting the whole story behind them. I don't think she was as much of an insider as she thinks she was, probably on a "need to know" basis as far as the band was concerned. When she talks about Stevie ( and Christine to a certain extent ) she comes off as petty and jealous.
What annoys me the most is how she portrays herself as the big victim in every situation. She has to go out of her way to insist she did'nt sleep with Dennis Wilson ( convenient that he isnt around to confirm or deny it ) or have any responsibility at all for anything else that happened. She builds up her and Lindsey's relationship like they are Romeo and Juliet to the point you have to stop reading or you might puke and then goes on about what an abusive, spastic freak he is all at the same time. She is pretty schitzo when describing people in general so who knows what is true and what isnt. She does paint Lindsey as insecure, moody, and controlling and gives detailed accounts of his abuse. I always thought Lindsey acted pretty indifferent about CAH and even laughed about her and Dennis sleeping together. Maybe that is just my perception. Oh well, she does say Christine was a witness to one of the attacks, so who knows. Maybe Chris should write a book.:thumbsup:

[henryscutter]

You know the one thing I learned so far from this book?

That Stevie could sooooo kick Carol's ass.:woohoo:

:laugh: too funny

[moonbeam]

Carol Ann thanks Sara Fleetwood in the Acknowledgments at the beginning of the book (along with others) for her love and support. Stevie's still friends with Sara, and Carol Ann is probably still friends with Sara. I'm sure that if Stevie felt she were being slandered, her attorney(s) would have been all Carol Ann. Also, it's endorsed by Danny Goldberg, who was/is a friend of Stevie's.

The book is probably truthful, as much as some Stevie fans don't want to admit it. If it were full of lies, I doubt that it would have gotten to the publishing point.

As far as remembering things in detail from years and years ago - I doubt she could have written the book in this much detail if she wouldn't have kept audio diaries - Sara did the same thing, apparently.

[mgikallaroundme]

Carol Ann thanks Sara Fleetwood in the Acknowledgments at the beginning of the book (along with others) for her love and support. Stevie's still friends with Sara, and Carol Ann is probably still friends with Sara.
:eek:


Also, it's endorsed by Danny Goldberg, who was/is a friend of Stevie's.
:eek: :eek:

Not a single raised eyebrow? :shrug:


The book is probably truthful...If it were full of lies, I doubt that it would have gotten to the publishing point.

I guess you believe Wikipedia is a vaild resource and Fox News actually has anything to do with real news?


As far as remembering things in detail from years and years ago - I doubt she could have written the book in this much detail if she wouldn't have kept audio diaries - Sara did the same thing, apparently.

Having tapes you'd expect her details would match independent sources. Instesad she recalls events taking place prior to their known occurence. She also quotes people using words and phrases that are beyond belief.


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[moonbeam]

Instesad she recalls events taking place prior to their known occurence. She also quotes people using words and phrases that are beyond belief.


http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z184/mgikman_photos/3_dollar_bill.jpg

Events such as what? Fill me in because I'm wondering if I've missed something.

She does say in her Author's Note (on the back of the page that has the huge picture of her and Lindsey on it): "Some conversations have been recreated from memory." I would have preferred that she not have those conversations in there, but that's just my preference.

I know that a lot of people want to blow her off as a bimbo or whatever, but until someone else like Stevie writes something to the contrary, I have no reason to doubt that Carol Ann is not telling the truth. I have nothing to compare it to.

And no, no raised eyebrows. She's probably the one that cares the least out of all of us........

Point taken about Wikipedia and Fox News. I don't believe that they are good resources. So I'll agree that Danny Goldberg's endorsement doesn't mean much.

[MacMan]

The book is probably truthful, as much as some Stevie fans don't want to admit it. If it were full of lies, I doubt that it would have gotten to the publishing point.

Not entirely true... James Frey managed with A Million Little Pieces. And that apparent true account was full of lies and embellishments - something the publisher either overlooked or didn't check, or couldn't check for whatever reason.

I don't have the book, but does it mention anything anywhere that this is a memoir or anything? Not that it needs to to set it apart from a true account, cause Autobiographies can be embellished as well.