Rick Turner Model 1

[mylittledemon]

I finally got one!

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[Madness Fades]

Beautiful Guitar. Fantastic wood. What wood did you go for.
I thought you wanted a white one !!!!!
No Piezo either, Why not !!!
Love It.
Upload a few good pictures.

Oh and Plug it in it sounds MUCH better :thumbsup:

[Madness Fades]

I want to see a video of you playin it and i want a full review.

[BTFLCHLD]

Nice Brandon! :thumbsup:

[Madness Fades]

Oh what about the "New Smell" smell, how sweet is that?

Welcome to the Ultra Chic Model 1 Owners Club.

Hear are some of the things some people want a Model 1 more than:

1995 Don Perignon, Beluga caviar, Bugatti, White truffles, Diamonds, KEF Muron speakers, Gorgio Suits

[chiliD]

NICE!!! Now, of course, you'll want to play every Lindsey Buckingham song he ever did...but, fight the urge, let your OWN creativity blast through.

Oh what about the "New Smell" smell, how sweet is that?

Welcome to the Ultra Chic Model 1 Owners Club.

Yes, welcome to the club!

Hear are some of the things some people want a Model 1 more than:

1995 Don Perignon, Beluga caviar, Bugatti, White truffles, Diamonds, KEF Muron speakers, Gorgio Suits

Problem is, I HAVE one, but want ANOTHER two or three...with different finishes.

Basically, I want at least one of each type of guitar, bass & ukelele that Rick Turner makes.

[mylittledemon]

Beautiful Guitar. Fantastic wood. What wood did you go for.
I thought you wanted a white one !!!!!
No Piezo either, Why not !!!
Love It.
Upload a few good pictures.

Oh and Plug it in it sounds MUCH better :thumbsup:

The "white one" is next...YES, I'll have two Model 1's...

The white one I'm thinking about the piezo.

Not sure what kind of wood, just the standard that Rick picks for Model 1's. I didnt have him put the "T" on the headstock, but rather sign his name under the clear coat.

I've been playing it thru a Fender today...not bad! I am getting a Boogie as soon as I can, so i'll be recording some solos for you guys!

[Betsy]

The "white one" is next...YES, I'll have two Model 1's...

... I am getting a Boogie as soon as I can, so i'll be recording some solos for you guys!


I'm lookin' forward to it. I have seen your playing of the song COME and love it.

[shackin'up]

Keep those solo's coming: but WITHOUT the backingtrack! ;) You're good enough to rip through them by yourself, and if you're not copying them perfectly: The better!! give us some demonoid solo's!

Congrats dude. You deserve one.

[Sahara]

Haha, well done, it suits you!! :thumbsup:

[mylittledemon]

More pics!

The customized headstock!

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New Zealand paua shell dot inlays!

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Close up of the wood grain...

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I'm amazed at how small the body is...

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[Madness Fades]

So how are you getting on with your new model 1. Is it a big change from your LP. ??

[mylittledemon]

So how are you getting on with your new model 1. Is it a big change from your LP. ??

Yeah the feel is quite different. I was worried because I typically rest my pinky on the pickguard of my Les Paul, and being that the Model 1 doesnt have one...i thought it might pose a problem.

One thing I HAVE noticed is that its not set up very well. I mean, it doesnt "play like butter" like I would have expected. Bends are very difficult and what not. My epi les paul, to be honest, plays better. I emailed Rick about it...dont really trust any local shops to do set ups on it...

[Madness Fades]

Well to be honest i had the same thoughts to begin with. I felt the guitar needed a bit of fine tuning before it sang sweetly. It playes really nice now and im completely used to it. ive had mine nearly two years now. But i do know where you are coming from.

Did you expect it to sound a bit more raw than what it does.?

[mylittledemon]

Well to be honest i had the same thoughts to begin with. I felt the guitar needed a bit of fine tuning before it sang sweetly. It playes really nice now and im completely used to it. ive had mine nearly two years now. But i do know where you are coming from.

Did you expect it to sound a bit more raw than what it does.?

The intonation is very dead on,and its very clean. I was surprised because the humbucker is boasted as being "very hot"...I think driven thru a Boogie with an overdrive pedal is really where you can push the envelope with it. The sustain, also, is amazing.

[madformac]

Congratulations on getting your dream instrument Brandon.

The Model 1 is a work of art and, tonally, very unique in what it can do for sure.

You are right its not the easiest guitar to bend or to get sweet bar chords but it is easier to play chord shapes and much easier for finger picking. I wouldn't worry about the setup. Get a good store to sort that out. Its direct from production and most companies can't be bothered to do a pro setup before shipping anyway. Rick's place is no exception

I've had 3 of them now and the one I have these days is a 2006 model. Ricks build quality has improved a great deal lately and a few small refinements he made about a 18 months back have tidied the design up.

Its a good guitar and gets some "wow" comments when its seen. Speaking personally I prefer to play my Fender Esquire or Strats these days but it still gets playing time for anything "Les Paul" based as it blows a Gibson into the water. I totally agree with Lindsey's mindset about it being the perfect stage guitar. Very easy to get jazz, Telecaster, Les Paul sounds and much more.

If you want it just to play Fleetwood Mac stuff then thats cool. Its the only guitar on the planet that can achieve the dark tone on "I'm So Afraid" properly but its so much more than that. Experiment and you'll have a lot of fun.

I prefer it through a Fender tube amp personally too. Boogies tend to give it a bit too much overdrive for my taste. Take your Model 1 and check out the Boogies at a store before you pull the trigger.

Have fun!

[mylittledemon]

Congratulations on getting your dream instrument Brandon.
You are right its not the easiest guitar to bend or to get sweet bar chords but it is easier to play chord shapes and much easier for finger picking.

Its a good guitar and gets some "wow" comments when its seen. Speaking personally I prefer to play my Fender Esquire or Strats these days but it still gets playing time for anything "Les Paul" based as it blows a Gibson into the water. I totally agree with Lindsey's mindset about it being the perfect stage guitar. Very easy to get jazz, Telecaster, Les Paul sounds and much more.

Its the only guitar on the planet that can achieve the dark tone on "I'm So Afraid" properly but its so much more than that.

Boogies tend to give it a bit too much overdrive for my taste. Take your Model 1 and check out the Boogies at a store before you pull the trigger.

Have fun!

Yeah bends ala "The Chain" are not easy. I need to have a pro set up done, like I said...but dont know anyone here that may have had experience with the guitar.

I do, still, prefer playing my Epi Les Paul. This is going to take some getting use to!

The tone on "So Afraid" from the Dance is what I've been trying to achieve for years. I hope I can pull it off.

If you're not using Boogies...what kind of Fenders do you prefer?

[madformac]

Yeah bends ala "The Chain" are not easy. I need to have a pro set up done, like I said...but dont know anyone here that may have had experience with the guitar.

I do, still, prefer playing my Epi Les Paul. This is going to take some getting use to!

The tone on "So Afraid" from the Dance is what I've been trying to achieve for years. I hope I can pull it off.

If you're not using Boogies...what kind of Fenders do you prefer?

Yeah, the E string bend on the opening arpeggios of The Chain takes some getting used to with the M1.

The tone from the Dance "I'm So Afraid".. Hmm. Set the volume about 3/4 which would be about 2 O'Clock (looking at the face of the guitar), the EQ frequency sweep at about 1.30 to 2 O'Clock also. Have the tone fully treble (3 O'Clock) and the EQ boost close to fully boosted but roll it off a little. Don't use the coil tap, just the humbucker.

If you have a Boss SD-1 (I think you do right?) then volume set to whatever is comfortable, tone at 1 O'Clock and Drive at 2 O'Clock. If you have a delay (I use a DD-3) set it to somewhere in the region of 400ms.

When you get to the heavier part of the solo when Lindsey works down from the D string roll the volume to max. Its that last quarter of the volume that makes the difference with the EQ on. Turns it into a monster.. :blob1:

I use a Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb Reissue now. Perfect amp for me. Nice and clean and all tube. I'd rather have a clean amp and overdrive with volume and pedals personally. Boogies tend to colour the sound too much for me on a clean setting. As far as the setup is concerned the guitar model is not an issue for a good store to set up. Google the stores in your area and see if they have a "Plek" machine. They use lasers to get the best setup possible.

For amps. As I say, take the Model 1 down to a store and check out the amps. I got recommended this Fender by a friend in the industry that was invited to a show in NYC. its "only" 22 watts but its louder than many 100 watt amps. Plus it overdrives very sweetly. No need for a 150 watt monster with modern PA equipment, its all for show.

Oh, one more thing. Rick always ships the Model 1 with Thomastik Infeld 11-52 strings which are pretty heavy if you are not used to them. (your fingers will hurt a bit on bends given the strings and the scale of the instrument). Both Lindsey's and mine are strung 10-46. (LB uses Ernie Ball I believe but I don't rate them as they go "flat" very quickly. Better to use THomastiks or D'Addarios) This is better for bends and playability but you do sacrifice a little bit of "grunt". If you want to change gauges then get the store to do it as the Model 1 always needs the truss rod tweaking for this. Its not difficult (the rod is located under the cover on the headstock, same as your Epi) but yeah, if you are not comfortable doing it leave it to the store.

* oh, I send you a MySpace add dude. I have a couple of pics of my Model 1 and the amp in my pictures.

[Madness Fades]

* oh, I send you a MySpace add dude. I have a couple of pics of my Model 1 and the amp in my pictures.

Madfor mac will you PM me the Link too.

[Madness Fades]

What is the Guitar Strap Lindsey uses. It is very thin looks like it would be uncomfortable after a while. I thought i heard somewhere it was a fender strap but i've checked them all out and it dosent appear to be on the list.

[madformac]

Madfor mac will you PM me the Link too.

www.myspace.com/madformac

[madformac]

What is the Guitar Strap Lindsey uses. It is very thin looks like it would be uncomfortable after a while. I thought i heard somewhere it was a fender strap but i've checked them all out and it dosent appear to be on the list.

Its just a regular black "vintage" 50's style strap with the shoulder pad taken off and the strap turned backwards. Not sure on the exact one. They are all pretty similar looking. Fender do a similar one. Look on the accesories part of their site for the vintage strap. Slide the shoulder pad off and face the buckle to the back of the guitar and there you have it. A narrow strap suits the Model 1 due to its tiny size. Regular straps look a bit silly I think.

I use Eldorado straps these days. They are not too common in the UK and they ain't cheap either (over £100 each now). The hand tooled leather is amazing though. I've only seen Noel Gallagher using them (in fact I read he has about 12 of them!). I've heard Santana is starting to use them too. Best straps in the world IMHO.

[Madness Fades]

Thanks madformac thats the very strap, I looked it up on ebay and it was only £13.95 sweet. So i bought one of them just there now. Anyway those Eldorado Straps are far far to expensive. Not saying I wouldnt like one but they are too dear. I'd never pay for one.

I've always used Thomastic Power Brights strings. the 10-46 ones. Well, in an emergency last month i changed them to a set of ernie ball 9's. They sounded dead in comparison. there was no tone and i have to change them already. So I ordered the powerbrights with the Fender strap.

The only dissappointment with my mesa boogie subway amp is that there is no gain and it only sounds distorted when its cranked up (LOUD) then its way too loud for home use.

I use a Boss GT-6 for all my effects, and personally i am now starting to think that it sounds all a bit un natural and computer generated. Its over complicated and difficult to use. Im considering going back to basics and purchasing an analogue Distortion pedal and a bit of digital delay.

When I eventually get my Compass Rose acoustic from Rick next year, I will also grab the D-Tar Mama Bear. The Dollar rate at the minute is amazing. I can get a D-tar for £145.

[mylittledemon]

Oh, one more thing. Rick always ships the Model 1 with Thomastik Infeld 11-52 strings which are pretty heavy if you are not used to them. (your fingers will hurt a bit on bends given the strings and the scale of the instrument). Both Lindsey's and mine are strung 10-46. (LB uses Ernie Ball I believe but I don't rate them as they go "flat" very quickly. Better to use THomastiks or D'Addarios) This is better for bends and playability but you do sacrifice a little bit of "grunt". If you want to change gauges then get the store to do it as the Model 1 always needs the truss rod tweaking for this. Its not difficult (the rod is located under the cover on the headstock, same as your Epi) but yeah, if you are not comfortable doing it leave it to the store.

Lemme ask you this...did you ever have to send your M1 back? I noticed, that Rick left the "lion head" off my headstock! Not only that but one of the knobs is "bent" (you can wiggle it back and forth) and is scuffed on the top too. Also, he gave me these weird Steinberger tuning heads that I dont like at all. I was expecting Grovers. Hmm...anyway...he told me to "send the guitar back and they would fix it ASAP"...which is cool, but now I gotta shell out another $125 to ship it. Not to mention the dangers of shipping and what not...GRR!!

[Madness Fades]

I am in no way making a negative report on rick turner or his business here. I outta point something out though . Rick takes a very long time about Fixing and Returning things. I am very very patient and really dont mind waiting. Hovever do you remember the Vintage 1980 I sent in, and was promised to be read in 8 weeks........ still not looked at. And there was a guy went under the name Orthgod broke the neck on his (i have no idea how), anyway 15 months later and after a solicitors letter (apparently) then and only then did he get his back.

For me its not a problem Barry and Rick can take their time and work away in his own time, but you should bear im mind that it could take a long time. They are very very busy.

I wasn't entirley happy with the colour of mine in the begining but I soon warmed to it and really like it now. It wasnt the colour I had asked for !!!! I wanted the lighter redish brown colour Lindsey Uses. I also asked for it to be signed and it wasnt. I guess these things just happen. At the end of the day its still sounds the same and plays well.

I met them last year over in their factory and as i recall Barry told me last year he worked 350 days last year.

Nevertheless you paid a lot of money and should have exactly what you asked for.

Its a tricky one!!

[mylittledemon]

I am in no way making a negative report on rick turner or his business here. I outta point something out though . Rick takes a very long time about Fixing and Returning things. I am very very patient and really dont mind waiting. Hovever do you remember the Vintage 1980 I sent in, and was promised to be read in 8 weeks........ still not looked at. And there was a guy went under the name Orthgod broke the neck on his (i have no idea how), anyway 15 months later and after a solicitors letter (apparently) then and only then did he get his back.

For me its not a problem Barry and Rick can take their time and work away in his own time, but you should bear im mind that it could take a long time. They are very very busy.

I wasn't entirley happy with the colour of mine in the begining but I soon warmed to it and really like it now. It wasnt the colour I had asked for !!!! I wanted the lighter redish brown colour Lindsey Uses. I also asked for it to be signed and it wasnt. I guess these things just happen. At the end of the day its still sounds the same and plays well.

I met them last year over in their factory and as i recall Barry told me last year he worked 350 days last year.

Nevertheless you paid a lot of money and should have exactly what you asked for.

Its a tricky one!!

Exactly. I hate to be one of those people that says "I paid $4000...blah blah blah" but it was a lot of money, and it wasnt made the way I wanted.

[madformac]

Lemme ask you this...did you ever have to send your M1 back? I noticed, that Rick left the "lion head" off my headstock! Not only that but one of the knobs is "bent" (you can wiggle it back and forth) and is scuffed on the top too. Also, he gave me these weird Steinberger tuning heads that I dont like at all. I was expecting Grovers. Hmm...anyway...he told me to "send the guitar back and they would fix it ASAP"...which is cool, but now I gotta shell out another $125 to ship it. Not to mention the dangers of shipping and what not...GRR!!

I don't want to say anything negative about Rick on a public forum. He's a passionate guy, sometimes the passion is not always directed in the right areas though.

I'll give you just some facts . I've had 3 Model 1's. First one had a really badly cut "soundhole" which wasn't even sanded before spraying and a faulty pickup, the second one had a crack in the neck where it joins the body. The one I have now is flawless in build although the finish is not great in a couple of places, one even goes through to the wood on the top..

BUT

you have to remember Rick is running a very small team of people from basically a glorified "shed". He is not Fender. I agree that quality control is not brilliant but with handmade guitars, made in small numbers perfection is almost impossible. If those are the only negatives then I wouldn't go to the trouble of shipping it back. Believe me Rick and Barry are so busy that it could take 12 to 18 months. New orders always get priority over returns. My new Model 1 is a replacement I finally got in March 2007. I asked for the problem that lead to it to be rectified (and replaced) in March 2004. I kid you not. 3 years.. nearly 10% of my life waiting for it to be sorted (in which time I've totally got used to Fenders!) and in which time I've remained patient, knowing exactly how long it takes Rick to get around to doing these things. He is also in his mid 60's now so I cut him some slack there. Not like he has to be building guitars anymore right?

The tuners. Are they Planet Waves locking tuners?. Whatever they are, Rick will put on what he has in stock at the time. I have Schallers on mine with ebony buttons. I didn't ask for them but there you go. Its easy enough to get Schallers in chrome like LB's and have them fitted and its gonna be the same as shipping the guitar back to buy them i would guess.

Its actually kinda cool without the Lion head logo. Lindseys first Model 1 didn't have it and I always thought that was the best one! Again Rick probably was out of stock when it was made. Did you order it asking for it to be the same spec as Lindseys? Perhaps this is why. Yours is one of the nicest I've seen.

As for the knob. They work with a little grub screw. It might just be loose. The pot shafts are shorter than the knobs so there is always a gap at the top. If the screw is not tight it can move about. Go to a hardware store and get a set of small Allen wrenchs (or keys). This should cure it. If not then Rick will mail out replacement knobs free of charge I expect.

I've seen and played 5 Model 1's (out of I think about 12 in the UK) and have yet to find a flawless one.

But **** happens. I got a new Fender Esquire delivered today with a 1" crack in the neck pocket.. But its going back tomorrow and I expect and know I'll get it sorted this week..

Trust me your issues are minor dude. But Rick will take care of them. Just be prepared to wait. Custom instruments are a pain in the ass for issues in timeframe terms. Which is why I'm playing off the rack stuff again, quick to fix..

** looking at your pics those are Planet Waves tuners. All Model 1's now shipping are coming with them as standard (as are those wooden control knobs you see on mine). They are really good tuners and lock the strings nicely. I have the Schallers which I think are a small upgrade, but to be honest the Planet Waves seem to be better. Nothing in it.

[madformac]

I've always used Thomastic Power Brights strings. the 10-46 ones. Well, in an emergency last month i changed them to a set of ernie ball 9's. They sounded dead in comparison. there was no tone and i have to change them already. So I ordered the powerbrights with the Fender strap.


Ernie Ball strings, IMHO, are crap. They spend a lot of money on endorsments but the product is just bad. They take ages to stabilize, they are not smooth to slide notes on and they go off in days. Fine out of the box but really flat very quickly.

Gibson britewires are to be recommended although I found them to be a bit stiff to bend. They last ages though. Elixirs are great but the nanoweb coating gives my guitar dandruff when it peels off. D'Addarios are excellent and my usual strings. Thomastiks last forever. You can go 3 months with a set that would go off in a week with Ernies. Fender original bullets are the best for Strats, no good with other guitars though.

Thomastik Infeld or D'Addarios I would recommend. :nod:



I use a Boss GT-6 for all my effects, and personally i am now starting to think that it sounds all a bit un natural and computer generated. Its over complicated and difficult to use. Im considering going back to basics and purchasing an analogue Distortion pedal and a bit of digital delay.

Welcome to the club!

I used stomp boxes for a few years and then got a Boss GT-6. Its great for setting up effects for a gig and changing multiple effects in one stomp. But they sound digital, dry and lifeless. I ended up only using it for practice and then it got dumped altogether.


Now I use individual pedals and the tone shines through. Short of having Pete Cornish build me an all tube effects board (I don't have £6 to £8K to waste and I'm not in Pink Floyd) then I'm happy with individual pedals. They sond real because they are real. It can't be replicated.


When I eventually get my Compass Rose acoustic from Rick next year, I will also grab the D-Tar Mama Bear. The Dollar rate at the minute is amazing. I can get a D-tar for £145.

I'm gonna be looking forward to the strong pound against the dollar when I fly into Boston in a little while to chill with some of my friends. But I'm thinking its 1/2 price beer instead! :laugh:

[#1LiddyBuckFan]

^^^ I agree! As a "musician", I am relatively new so I don't want to join in and look stupid. :lol: I love reading about all of this stuff...and I'm jealous. I would love to just play a Model 1!!

[mylittledemon]

I don't want to say anything negative about Rick on a public forum. He's a passionate guy, sometimes the passion is not always directed in the right areas though.

I'll give you just some facts . I've had 3 Model 1's. First one had a really badly cut "soundhole" which wasn't even sanded before spraying and a faulty pickup, the second one had a crack in the neck where it joins the body. The one I have now is flawless in build although the finish is not great in a couple of places, one even goes through to the wood on the top..

BUT

you have to remember Rick is running a very small team of people from basically a glorified "shed". He is not Fender. I agree that quality control is not brilliant but with handmade guitars, made in small numbers perfection is almost impossible. If those are the only negatives then I wouldn't go to the trouble of shipping it back. Believe me Rick and Barry are so busy that it could take 12 to 18 months. New orders always get priority over returns. My new Model 1 is a replacement I finally got in March 2007. I asked for the problem that lead to it to be rectified (and replaced) in March 2004. I kid you not. 3 years.. nearly 10% of my life waiting for it to be sorted (in which time I've totally got used to Fenders!) and in which time I've remained patient, knowing exactly how long it takes Rick to get around to doing these things. He is also in his mid 60's now so I cut him some slack there. Not like he has to be building guitars anymore right?

The tuners. Are they Planet Waves locking tuners?. Whatever they are, Rick will put on what he has in stock at the time. I have Schallers on mine with ebony buttons. I didn't ask for them but there you go. Its easy enough to get Schallers in chrome like LB's and have them fitted and its gonna be the same as shipping the guitar back to buy them i would guess.

Its actually kinda cool without the Lion head logo. Lindseys first Model 1 didn't have it and I always thought that was the best one! Again Rick probably was out of stock when it was made. Did you order it asking for it to be the same spec as Lindseys? Perhaps this is why. Yours is one of the nicest I've seen.

As for the knob. They work with a little grub screw. It might just be loose. The pot shafts are shorter than the knobs so there is always a gap at the top. If the screw is not tight it can move about. Go to a hardware store and get a set of small Allen wrenchs (or keys). This should cure it. If not then Rick will mail out replacement knobs free of charge I expect.

I've seen and played 5 Model 1's (out of I think about 12 in the UK) and have yet to find a flawless one.

But **** happens. I got a new Fender Esquire delivered today with a 1" crack in the neck pocket.. But its going back tomorrow and I expect and know I'll get it sorted this week..

Trust me your issues are minor dude. But Rick will take care of them. Just be prepared to wait. Custom instruments are a pain in the ass for issues in timeframe terms. Which is why I'm playing off the rack stuff again, quick to fix..

** looking at your pics those are Planet Waves tuners. All Model 1's now shipping are coming with them as standard (as are those wooden control knobs you see on mine). They are really good tuners and lock the strings nicely. I have the Schallers which I think are a small upgrade, but to be honest the Planet Waves seem to be better. Nothing in it.


I dont wanna say anything negative either. I'm not really pissed, just disappointed. All the emails that Rick and I had BEFORE the guitar was built, or even paid for covered the specifics of what I wanted. Size of the neck, the look of the headstock, finish, etc. I never got any opposition when talking with him. it was always "yep, we can do that"....so to get it now, finally, and it not be what I expected is a bit of a let down.

In truth, I didnt even NOTICE the stuff until the next day. i was so in awe of the instrument (that I had finally gotten it) that I didnt even see it.

I think at this point...the best thing to do would be to replace the two knobs (the one that is scuffed and the one that is crooked)...and I dont know if they will put a new neck on it. I requested the slimmest neck he has, but its chunkier than a LP neck...so I'm not quite sure they got that right either.

~B~

[madformac]

I think at this point...the best thing to do would be to replace the two knobs (the one that is scuffed and the one that is crooked)...and I dont know if they will put a new neck on it. I requested the slimmest neck he has, but its chunkier than a LP neck...so I'm not quite sure they got that right either.

~B~


The knobs are no problem. Rick should mail them out in a week or so (I got some replacements in a couple of weeks). The neck is a puzzle.

Firstly they can't just put a new neck on it. Its easier to build a new guitar than to change a neck. Trust me on this, I'm an expert now, its very complex to construct these things..

I always assumed there was only one size neck. Not sure what you were told by Rick and Barry. The Turner neck is pretty hefty. Its a five piece laminate of purple heart and rock maple and has two graphite rods in it as well as the truss rod. Its technically near to impossible to get a slim neck on one I would think. Yeah the neck is thicker than a Les Paul. Thats one of the things that takes time to get used to. I've got pretty big hands so its not too bad (although I prefer the slimmest Strat necks going). If you take your hands off the guitar on a strap the neck should slump downwards.. Its very neck heavy cos there is so much in its construction. The body is very light. So yeah, I'm pretty certain all Model 1's have the same neck size. Its just a trait of the guitar.

Don't worry, all the symptoms you are going through are perfectly normal with a Model 1. First you are in awe, then you notice something, then you ask why the f**k did Rick do that?, then you dwell on it, then you forget it and then you love it.. Neck wise it will bother you for a bit and then you will get used to the feel and just play it.. Then it comes alive.. Like driving an Aston Martin when you are used to a Ferrari. Same speed, you just have to drive it a little differently for it to work as you want.

[mylittledemon]

The knobs are no problem. Rick should mail them out in a week or so (I got some replacements in a couple of weeks). The neck is a puzzle.

Firstly they can't just put a new neck on it. Its easier to build a new guitar than to change a neck. Trust me on this, I'm an expert now, its very complex to construct these things..

I always assumed there was only one size neck. Not sure what you were told by Rick and Barry. The Turner neck is pretty hefty. Its a five piece laminate of purple heart and rock maple and has two graphite rods in it as well as the truss rod. Its technically near to impossible to get a slim neck on one I would think. Yeah the neck is thicker than a Les Paul. Thats one of the things that takes time to get used to. I've got pretty big hands so its not too bad (although I prefer the slimmest Strat necks going). If you take your hands off the guitar on a strap the neck should slump downwards.. Its very neck heavy cos there is so much in its construction. The body is very light. So yeah, I'm pretty certain all Model 1's have the same neck size. Its just a trait of the guitar.

Don't worry, all the symptoms you are going through are perfectly normal with a Model 1. First you are in awe, then you notice something, then you ask why the f**k did Rick do that?, then you dwell on it, then you forget it and then you love it.. Neck wise it will bother you for a bit and then you will get used to the feel and just play it.. Then it comes alive.. Like driving an Aston Martin when you are used to a Ferrari. Same speed, you just have to drive it a little differently for it to work as you want.


Neck wise...yeah its like holding a Louisville Slugger. ( a baseball bat my UK pal )...btw...ever been to Manchester?

Anyway...I must say I am not totally happy with the guitar...BUT...I do think its AWFUL pretty!

[madformac]

Neck wise...yeah its like holding a Louisville Slugger. ( a baseball bat my UK pal )...btw...ever been to Manchester?

Um, yeah... Given I live there.. !! :laugh:


Anyway...I must say I am not totally happy with the guitar...BUT...I do think its AWFUL pretty! ?

Yeah its a nice looking guitar. THe craftmanship is more like the sort of thing you would associate with cabinet making raher than lutherie. Having said that, Rick used to be a cabinet maker! So I guess it figures....

[mylittledemon]

Um, yeah... Given I live there.. !! :laugh:



Yeah its a nice looking guitar. THe craftmanship is more like the sort of thing you would associate with cabinet making raher than lutherie. Having said that, Rick used to be a cabinet maker! So I guess it figures....

HAHA! Didnt know you lived there. My friend, the great mr. Chris Handley is a mad manc.

Anyway...I talked to Rick and Barry, and they both agreed sending the guitar back was the best thing. If waiting for 3 years is my fate...I'm really gonna be upset about that. It took long enough to get it in the first place.

[chiliD]

Ok, here's my two cents regarding the finishes. I've noticed that the same M1 can look totally different in different photographs and usually not even look the same as in person.

I've been photographed numerous times with mine and, JEEZ, it looks like I'm playing about 6 different M1s depending on the lighting, the film, the angle of the camera to the guitar, indoors, outdoors...and very, VERY few of the photos even look like it has the same finish as in person. So, just take that with a grain of salt when looking at photos of Lindsey's compared to what you get when you open your case.

[Peestie]

I'm still debating with myself about eventually getting myself a Model 1. As far as electrics go I play a Tony Iommi signature SG which has quite a thin neck (thinner than my strat knock-off) and it's cutaway so I can reach all 24 frets really easily. It doesn't look like the M1 plays really quickly up at the very top. Not that I'd really be playing very much up there anyway, but still... And I think that maybe the thicker neck would throw me off for a while until I get used to it. Anyone got any recommendations of guitars I could try that would give a similar feel to the M1 to see if I could go for one eventually?

[mylittledemon]

Ok, here's my two cents regarding the finishes. I've noticed that the same M1 can look totally different in different photographs and usually not even look the same as in person.

I've been photographed numerous times with mine and, JEEZ, it looks like I'm playing about 6 different M1s depending on the lighting, the film, the angle of the camera to the guitar, indoors, outdoors...and very, VERY few of the photos even look like it has the same finish as in person. So, just take that with a grain of salt when looking at photos of Lindsey's compared to what you get when you open your case.


I agree. I wanted mine to look more "antiqued" or worn. But in all the pics that have been taken thus far, it looks real different in each one. More red in some, brown in others...I'm pleased with that I have to say.

[mylittledemon]

I'm still debating with myself about eventually getting myself a Model 1. As far as electrics go I play a Tony Iommi signature SG which has quite a thin neck (thinner than my strat knock-off) and it's cutaway so I can reach all 24 frets really easily. It doesn't look like the M1 plays really quickly up at the very top. Not that I'd really be playing very much up there anyway, but still... And I think that maybe the thicker neck would throw me off for a while until I get used to it. Anyone got any recommendations of guitars I could try that would give a similar feel to the M1 to see if I could go for one eventually?

Yer right. It doesnt play well at the top. The neck is more difficult to access at anything above the 15th fret.

[Madness Fades]

Well I began my guitar playing about 3 1/2 years ago. And I began on a Les Paul Shaped "Westfield" Guitar. It was never really that great of a guitar to begin with but it had a very fat neck. So since Ive never played SG's, Strats and Teles i really dont know what its like to play on a thin neck.
It was an easy transition then for me to move on to my Model 1 after the westfield because thats what i was always used to.


I highly reccomend the thomastic 10-45 by the way.

[mylittledemon]

Well I began my guitar playing about 3 1/2 years ago. And I began on a Les Paul Shaped "Westfield" Guitar. It was never really that great of a guitar to begin with but it had a very fat neck. So since Ive never played SG's, Strats and Teles i really dont know what its like to play on a thin neck.
It was an easy transition then for me to move on to my Model 1 after the westfield because thats what i was always used to.


I highly reccomend the thomastic 10-45 by the way.

My 1st electric was a Peavey. Very wide fretboard, but "thin" neck. Then I moved to a Tele which has a more "fat and round" neck i think. Now I play epi les pauls. They have a relatively thin neck and fretboard.

I prefer D'Addario 10's

[mylittledemon]

Well I began my guitar playing about 3 1/2 years ago. And I began on a Les Paul Shaped "Westfield" Guitar. It was never really that great of a guitar to begin with but it had a very fat neck. So since Ive never played SG's, Strats and Teles i really dont know what its like to play on a thin neck.
It was an easy transition then for me to move on to my Model 1 after the westfield because thats what i was always used to.


I highly reccomend the thomastic 10-45 by the way.

Madness, as far as the electric technique I'm assuming you mean "The Chain"..."So Afraid" and stuff like "Go Your Own Way" even? I started off never using a pick. I learned some licks from a youth pastor of mine (who was in a Christian rock band) and he used a pick. It never felt natural to me. When I picked up guitar seriously in 1998 i left the pick behind completely. Any basis I had for my own style came directly from "The Dance." I would say "Dreams" off that album is a good starter. Its VERY easy to play and its got some good fingerpicking parts. If you want to get more into the "fingernail flailing" then try "The Chain" and "So Afraid".

The thing I notice the most among people who dont finger pick often is they end up hitting a lot of other strings with their nails. What works for me is to constantly move my thumb (if I'm not using it) the string ABOVE the string I am actually picking so as to mute that string (in case you strike it while picking). You can notice Lindsey does this too, I think.

I dont know if this helps you any at all. Playing is more a vibe for me rather than a technique, because I suppose I dont have one. I'm pretty sloppy, in my own opinion. ChiliD (Steve) might be a better help on this matter. I'd be much more helpful to you if I could "teach" you in person...which I dont think is gonna happen!

~brandon~

[madformac]

Madness, as far as the electric technique I'm assuming you mean "The Chain"..."So Afraid" and stuff like "Go Your Own Way" even? I started off never using a pick. I learned some licks from a youth pastor of mine (who was in a Christian rock band) and he used a pick. It never felt natural to me. When I picked up guitar seriously in 1998 i left the pick behind completely. Any basis I had for my own style came directly from "The Dance." I would say "Dreams" off that album is a good starter. Its VERY easy to play and its got some good fingerpicking parts. If you want to get more into the "fingernail flailing" then try "The Chain" and "So Afraid".

The thing I notice the most among people who dont finger pick often is they end up hitting a lot of other strings with their nails. What works for me is to constantly move my thumb (if I'm not using it) the string ABOVE the string I am actually picking so as to mute that string (in case you strike it while picking). You can notice Lindsey does this too, I think.

I dont know if this helps you any at all. Playing is more a vibe for me rather than a technique, because I suppose I dont have one. I'm pretty sloppy, in my own opinion. ChiliD (Steve) might be a better help on this matter. I'd be much more helpful to you if I could "teach" you in person...which I dont think is gonna happen!

~brandon~


I never really used a pick either. In fact I wish I could use one at times because there are things I want to do that are not as easy with your fingers (pinched harmonics etc..).

I've always played with my fingers and strummed with my nails so I don't know any different. I do mute the strings above the ones I'm picking with my thumb and palm muting too of course. But I never learned this stuff, just subconsciously fell into it probably. I never took any lessons or anything so my technique is not exactly orthodox and as Brandon said, I'm "sloppy". A guitar teacher would cringe at my finger positions but them I guess pros like Lindsey or people like us would all get the same reaction.. But it works for me. After you have been playing a few years you fall into your own techniques and bad habits, if you will. Its a bit like driving. If I had to keep both hands on the wheel now I'd go nuts!

"I'm So Afraid" and "The Chain" are very rewarding songs to fingerpick when you hit them just right. But it takes a degree of time to get it right. No overnight successes.

As for the Model 1. Its utterly useless for those who like to hang around on the dusty end of the fingerboard (I'm one of those hence I play Strats and stuff mostly). The upper fret access is appalling for an electric but its impossible for it to be any other way given the design.. But look at classical players, upper fret access is crap on a classical guitar but they adapt technique and make it work. The Model 1 is basically a very aggressive Les Paul packaged into a classical shape with the strings placed perfectly for fingerpickers. Like an acoustic that's overdone the steroids..

Its unique in the guitar world and with that come its eccentricities. You have to say "okay, so how do I work around this?" and then you get used to it..

Its not an easy guitar to play and it makes you a better player by making sure you treat it in a disciplined way. You can't get away with sloppy chords playing on a clean setting with this guitar. But play it the right way and it rewards a hell of a lot.

I think its best suited to power chords and heavier stuff personally. Makes a great rock rhythm guitar (only problem is its so damn loud it drowns the lead player!!)

[chiliD]

(only problem is its so damn loud it drowns the lead player!!)

Which, depending on the lead player, could be a GOOD thing! :lol:

[mylittledemon]

I never really used a pick either. In fact I wish I could use one at times because there are things I want to do that are not as easy with your fingers (pinched harmonics etc..).

I've always played with my fingers and strummed with my nails so I don't know any different. I do mute the strings above the ones I'm picking with my thumb and palm muting too of course. But I never learned this stuff, just subconsciously fell into it probably. I never took any lessons or anything so my technique is not exactly orthodox and as Brandon said, I'm "sloppy". A guitar teacher would cringe at my finger positions but them I guess pros like Lindsey or people like us would all get the same reaction.. But it works for me. After you have been playing a few years you fall into your own techniques and bad habits, if you will. Its a bit like driving. If I had to keep both hands on the wheel now I'd go nuts!

"I'm So Afraid" and "The Chain" are very rewarding songs to fingerpick when you hit them just right. But it takes a degree of time to get it right. No overnight successes.

As for the Model 1. Its utterly useless for those who like to hang around on the dusty end of the fingerboard (I'm one of those hence I play Strats and stuff mostly). The upper fret access is appalling for an electric but its impossible for it to be any other way given the design.. But look at classical players, upper fret access is crap on a classical guitar but they adapt technique and make it work. The Model 1 is basically a very aggressive Les Paul packaged into a classical shape with the strings placed perfectly for fingerpickers. Like an acoustic that's overdone the steroids..

Its unique in the guitar world and with that come its eccentricities. You have to say "okay, so how do I work around this?" and then you get used to it..

Its not an easy guitar to play and it makes you a better player by making sure you treat it in a disciplined way. You can't get away with sloppy chords playing on a clean setting with this guitar. But play it the right way and it rewards a hell of a lot.

I think its best suited to power chords and heavier stuff personally. Makes a great rock rhythm guitar (only problem is its so damn loud it drowns the lead player!!)

J,

THe guitar has been sent back...Rick is indeed working on a new one for me. He said he "realized" very quickly that it was not built to my spec as I had previously requested. The neck wasnt a tapered neck at all...he apologised for that. So he told me to tell him...line for line, word for word exactly what I want and he'd "get it right"...He said he'd have it done for me within 3-4 weeks.

~B~

[Lindsey Jr.]

Mhm, I've always wanted one, you know that :p, but I've read many "horror" stories about Rick's company. So, no, and I'm much more a "bass lover" now, but of course the model 1 looks awesome and is unique.

But 4000 dollars is a lot of money and if I had payed it, the only thing I would want is perfection. If you make such a special instrument, that 90% of the people doesn't know of, make it perfect.

One little problem is nothing, it can happen, but not too much please.

[Sarah]

So, no, and I'm much more a "bass lover" now, but of course the model 1 looks awesome and is unique.

model one bass, yo.

http://www.celebrityrockstarguitars.com/rock/images/turner.jpg

;)

[Lindsey Jr.]

model one bass, yo.

http://www.celebrityrockstarguitars.com/rock/images/turner.jpg

;)

Yo, I'm not that rich. But then again, it's even more exclusive... :nod:

[Sarah]

Yo, I'm not that rich. But then again, it's even more exclusive... :nod:

Me neither. But you would be in tight company. I've only seen photos of that one and a sunburst one.

[madformac]

J,

THe guitar has been sent back...Rick is indeed working on a new one for me. He said he "realized" very quickly that it was not built to my spec as I had previously requested. The neck wasnt a tapered neck at all...he apologised for that. So he told me to tell him...line for line, word for word exactly what I want and he'd "get it right"...He said he'd have it done for me within 3-4 weeks.

~B~

Thats great. Make sure you request Schaller M1 tuners in Chrome if you want the same ones Lindsey uses.. :)

The latest episode from Planet Turner for me was the original M1 knobs were sent out to me. 3 are great, one has a missing grub screw and the thread is stripped on it too! lol. Seems I'm destined never to have it right.... This comes after I took the headstock off my new telecaster with a flightcase that slipped by accident at the weekend.. I think the gods are telling me to stick with my beloved Strat... :laugh:

[Sarah]

This comes after I took the headstock off my new telecaster with a flightcase that slipped by accident at the weekend..

Oh my God!

The horror!

I would cry, but I'm a girl. :distress:

[mylittledemon]

Thats great. Make sure you request Schaller M1 tuners in Chrome if you want the same ones Lindsey uses.. :)

The latest episode from Planet Turner for me was the original M1 knobs were sent out to me. 3 are great, one has a missing grub screw and the thread is stripped on it too! lol. Seems I'm destined never to have it right.... This comes after I took the headstock off my new telecaster with a flightcase that slipped by accident at the weekend.. I think the gods are telling me to stick with my beloved Strat... :laugh:



well I suppose 3-4 people working at Turners doesnt keep the place running very smoothly. I know that have a young lady that answers the phone and does the mailing stuff and she told me she works non stop thruout the day trying to keep up with everything while Barry and Rick are off in the shop!

[madformac]

Oh my God!

The horror!

I would cry, but I'm a girl. :distress:

I'm getting it fixed and gonna relic the neck on it. Always fancied one. Well technically I already have one cos my '62 Strat has 45 years of playing scars and road knocks. Glad it wasn't the '62 that got nailed 'cos the cost of one of those is... Considerable!

Oh the Schaller tuners are M6 Chrome not M1.. All the Model 1 "M1" stuff went to my head! haha.

[Livia]

Congrats! That's a fine-lookin' instrument!

[Madness Fades]

Brandon,
You've had thad thad Model 1 a few months now. Whats your opinion of it now.

Also I got the Fender Vintage strap and its literally 1cm thick its not the strap lindsey uses. Has anyone found out yet.

Does anyone have a contact for Ray Lindsey??

[mylittledemon]

Brandon,
You've had thad thad Model 1 a few months now. Whats your opinion of it now.

Also I got the Fender Vintage strap and its literally 1cm thick its not the strap lindsey uses. Has anyone found out yet.

Does anyone have a contact for Ray Lindsey??

Yeah i would love to talk to Ray Lindsey about effects and what not.

In truth, my Model 1 has been at Rick Turner's shop for about 3 months now. I neither get a response when I call, or email, about the status of it. I've paid for the guitar in full. It's extremely aggravating, but Rick is such a nice guy I'm sort of biting my tongue.

[Madness Fades]

Yeah Brandon i know where your comming from.
The vintage model 1 is still there since Feb so in a few months that will be a yearin the workshop. Luckly enough i'm really not waiting on it and i just want it restored to sell it so i can buy one of ricks acoustics.
The old biting the tounge thing i suppose is wearing thin. It must be very frustrating. Emailing Barry is definately your best bet He generally gets back pretty quick.

Anyway so i heard Ray was a tech for nine inch nails. Theres No mention on the website. I dunno how i could ever track that man down but i bet we could learn alot about the model 1 from that guy.

I remember Barry Pearlman telling me that Ray had no intention of allowing Lindsey to even consider the Piezo Option due to the already vast array of tone control and sounds provided by a standatd model 1.

Also there is a member on the ledge who goes by the name 1clb or M1-CLB or something like that and oddly has never posted one topic in regards to Lindseys Guitar. "Isnt that Weird"

[mylittledemon]

Yeah Brandon i know where your comming from.
The vintage model 1 is still there since Feb so in a few months that will be a yearin the workshop. Luckly enough i'm really not waiting on it and i just want it restored to sell it so i can buy one of ricks acoustics.
The old biting the tounge thing i suppose is wearing thin. It must be very frustrating. Emailing Barry is definately your best bet He generally gets back pretty quick.

Anyway so i heard Ray was a tech for nine inch nails. Theres No mention on the website. I dunno how i could ever track that man down but i bet we could learn alot about the model 1 from that guy.

I remember Barry Pearlman telling me that Ray had no intention of allowing Lindsey to even consider the Piezo Option due to the already vast array of tone control and sounds provided by a standatd model 1.

Also there is a member on the ledge who goes by the name 1clb or M1-CLB or something like that and oddly has never posted one topic in regards to Lindseys Guitar. "Isnt that Weird"

It is indeed frustrating. I can honestly say, the last 3 times I've emailed them, I've gotten no response whatever. And each email was about 2 weeks apart. The thing is, I KNOW they are busy...but take care of the customers that have already PAID them first.

[Madness Fades]

So Brandon whats lindsey actually like to talk to.
Since you got to meet him. Is he normal or a bit out there???

[mylittledemon]

So Brandon whats lindsey actually like to talk to.
Since you got to meet him. Is he normal or a bit out there???

I thought, in my brief 5 or so minutes of actually speaking to him, that he was "normal"...and very down to earth. He was joking with my brother and I about being twins, and what that was like, and which one of us was the "bad" one. He was also joking with me about my lip piercing, which he said "wasnt evil in it of itself" and then proceeded to jokingly say, "although YOU look like the evil twin!"

[Madness Fades]

Did you not wanna say: "Here lindsey, Cut the Fu**in stupid evil twin jokes and talk a bit of sense will ya."

If I got to meet Lindsey for 5 mins I would be in way to much shock to make any sense. I know for a fact the digital camera wouldnt work and my drink in my glass would be near empty and I would want to go back to the bar but i'd be too afraid of lindsey pissin off to talk to sombody else, my mobile would be continuosly ringing me and some fit girl would be woooing in to lindseys left ear while i continue to make a fool of myself asking really stupid questions into his right ear. Probably shouting really loud cos im deaf from the concert just an hour before.
Oh and I would probably knowing my luck meet him on my way to a toilet in which i was dying to go.

If fact i have definately just reassured myself that its would be a great idea never to meet him.

[mylittledemon]

Did you not wanna say: "Here lindsey, Cut the Fu**in stupid evil twin jokes and talk a bit of sense will ya."

If I got to meet Lindsey for 5 mins I would be in way to much shock to make any sense. I know for a fact the digital camera wouldnt work and my drink in my glass would be near empty and I would want to go back to the bar but i'd be too afraid of lindsey pissin off to talk to sombody else, my mobile would be continuosly ringing me and some fit girl would be woooing in to lindseys left ear while i continue to make a fool of myself asking really stupid questions into his right ear. Probably shouting really loud cos im deaf from the concert just an hour before.
Oh and I would probably knowing my luck meet him on my way to a toilet in which i was dying to go.

If fact i have definately just reassured myself that its would be a great idea never to meet him.


Well I wanted to talk to him about his gear, and his setup...but we were in a bar, and it seemed like boring stuff to talk about. I dont know, he might have been real interested. He also talked about being in Knoxville like 3o yhears before, on the Rumours tour, and how there was really nothing there...and how it had changed so much. So yeah, he was quite "normal" in my opinion.

[michelej1]

Well I wanted to talk to him about his gear, and his setup...but we were in a bar, and it seemed like boring stuff to talk about.

See, I bet Lindsey loves to talk about things like that. That seems to be when he really comes alive, in the Guitar magazine interviews.

Michele

[David]

See, I bet Lindsey loves to talk about things like that. That seems to be when he really comes alive, in the Guitar magazine interviews.I like talking about gear, too. But I wouldn't want to backstage before or after a show; I'd have my mind on other things, not trying to maintain an extensive conversation with strangers (just the basic civilities). I generally have to be in the right mood to have fun discussing gear.

[mylittledemon]

I like talking about gear, too. But I wouldn't want to backstage before or after a show; I'd have my mind on other things, not trying to maintain an extensive conversation with strangers (just the basic civilities). I generally have to be in the right mood to have fun discussing gear.

Yeah he seemed kinda "riding the high" from the gig that had just ended the hour before. So I'm sure "gear talk" was the last thing on his mind. It just didnt feel like it would've been interesting conversation. Although, if I meet him again, perhaps the chance will present itself!

[Moz]

Damn, I'd love a M1 but I just don't have the money.

[mylittledemon]

Damn, I'd love a M1 but I just don't have the money.

You wont regret it...if you're a finger picker.

You also wont regret it...that is, if they get your order right the first time. haHaha